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Michelin reinvented the wheel .. again 12:44:58 <Celestar> made one including suspension, brake and an electric engine with 40HP sustained power (80HP peak power) 12:50:17 <mrfrenzy> that is probably the future for small vehicles 12:52:30 <petern> that's not exactly new is it? 12:52:59 <petern> trains, for example... 12:53:20 <mrfrenzy> nope, there has been talks about it for years 12:55:20 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 12:56:38 <petern> "active wheel" heh 12:56:50 <Celestar> petern: trains don't have their motors in the wheels 12:57:04 <Celestar> petern: yeah, that's the one 12:57:04 <petern> true 12:57:16 <petern> odd though 12:57:23 <petern> the wheel is no more active than a normal wheel 12:57:34 <Celestar> it has a motor in it :P 12:57:35 <petern> just the motor and gubbins is small enough to fit inside 12:57:39 <Celestar> it could drive itself :P 12:57:59 <Celestar> at least downhill 12:58:07 <petern> :p 12:58:28 <petern> i mean, i assume you don't have to remove the whole lot just to replace the tyre... 12:58:42 <Celestar> petern: this is the main question I'm asking myself as well 12:58:58 <petern> otoh 12:59:24 <Celestar> otoh I'm having my wheels replaced and not do it myself 12:59:30 <petern> it would keep efficiency up, if you had to replace/recycle the motor at the same time 12:59:47 <Celestar> petern: I don't want to replace my motors every 6 months :P 13:00:39 <petern> hmm, does it support steering... 13:00:47 <Celestar> lol I hope so 13:01:27 <Celestar> there's no fundamental reason why you shouldn't be able to turn the whole assembly 13:02:31 <Celestar> petern: but since there's a prototype with these things driving it might work :P 13:02:56 <petern> hmm, so 160HP in a 4 wheel drive combination... 13:02:58 <petern> that's a lot 13:03:15 <Celestar> petern: 160HP is decent for a normal 4 person car. but it's 320HP peak output, which is not bad at all 13:03:25 <petern> well 13:03:46 <Celestar> you could have 320HP with 640HP peak with the dual-wheel layout :P 13:03:46 <petern> 80HP is perfectly fine for a smaller (but still 4 person) car 13:03:55 <Celestar> yeah 13:03:58 <Celestar> electric HP anyway 13:04:06 <Celestar> much higher torque 13:04:10 <petern> torques, as mr clarkson likes to say 13:04:18 <Celestar> :P 13:04:20 <Celestar> heh. 13:04:22 <petern> then you just need a decent power source 13:04:36 <petern> i vote for dodgems style catenary! 13:04:38 <Celestar> the prototype has a CO2 emmision of 15g/km in France, and about 75g/km in Germany. 13:05:00 <petern> the emmissions change? 13:05:07 <Celestar> yes. 13:05:11 <petern> :o 13:05:19 <Celestar> depending on how the specific country produces the electrical energy 13:05:32 <Celestar> (it has a LiIon pack worth 400km of range) 13:05:53 <petern> hmm, scalextric pickups... 13:06:00 <petern> drive down a groove in the road 13:06:40 <petern> hmm, i wonder how things like ABS and TC translate 13:07:13 <Celestar> petern: to what language? 13:07:35 <petern> huh? 13:07:51 <Celestar> or do you mean into that active wheel? 13:07:58 <petern> i meant that yes 13:08:10 <Celestar> easily 13:08:29 <Celestar> ABS and TC has been used in electric engines for decades. 13:10:29 <Celestar> hm the BR103 (1970) and traction control 13:10:36 <Celestar> but it was per-bogie 13:10:41 <Celestar> the BR101 has it per axle 13:11:24 <Celestar> so if we did it in the 70s for a 300kN system, we can do it for a measly 40HP engine in 2008 :P 13:15:16 *** Sacro [~sacro@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:15:34 * Celestar wonders when Germany will accept that fact that we MUST build nuclears should we want a significant reduction of CO2 emissions. 13:18:47 <petern> does it care? 13:19:04 <Celestar> well ... they say they do 13:19:08 <petern> when well the green loonies accept that... heh 13:19:11 <Celestar> apparently they do. 13:19:32 <Celestar> The Greens have zero idea about protecting the environment, at least in Germany. 13:19:43 <Celestar> They lack the scientific and technical expertise. 13:20:01 <Celestar> but they can state clearly what they don't want 13:21:03 <Sacro> hrm indeed 13:21:10 <Sacro> @seen Bjarnli 13:21:10 <DorpsGek> Sacro: I have not seen Bjarnli. 13:21:44 <Celestar> CRITICAL - load average: 24.38, 17.05, 10.03 13:21:45 <Celestar> :S 13:27:31 <gynter> thats a lot of load... 13:27:54 <Celestar> I/O load mostly 13:28:00 <Celestar> because CPU util is around 5% 13:38:08 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:38:11 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:39:18 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:39:34 *** Nuke2 [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 13:40:11 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:42:32 <planetmaker> http://www.lbst.de/publications/studies__e/2006/EWG-paper_1-06_Uranium-Resources-Nuclear-Energy_03DEC2006.pdf <-- Celestar: doesn't make uranium industry seem a long-term profitable one either... though the report may be a bit biased. 13:42:56 <Celestar> planetmaker: it's not long-term. it's until a working Tokamak or better, Stellerator 13:43:13 <planetmaker> hehe. Which will always be done in 50 years :P 13:43:34 <Celestar> no one sais 50 years nowadays 13:43:43 <planetmaker> well... no? 13:43:53 <Celestar> 30 years till a working economical reactor 13:44:21 <Celestar> 20 years to an energy-producing power plant 13:44:46 <planetmaker> hmm... in the optimistic forecasts, yes. 13:45:16 <Celestar> optimistic means that the idiots called politicians don't cut budgets further 13:45:22 <planetmaker> Currently they still run a huge deficit and have due to plasma deterioration huge downtimes. 13:45:48 <Celestar> both these problems are to be solved with ITER 13:46:03 <planetmaker> to be. That's the plan. 13:46:22 <planetmaker> But there are still fundamental problems with how to remove the fusion "ashes" and so on. 13:46:41 <planetmaker> and keep containment of an evolving plasma. 13:46:46 <Celestar> hence it would be prudent to increase research spending 13:47:04 <planetmaker> no doubt about that. But on the time line irrespective of funding. 13:47:24 <planetmaker> Talking to those guys in person they don't quote 20 years or 30. 13:47:39 <Celestar> and get Wendelstein 7-X finished a bit faster. 13:47:48 <planetmaker> Though certainly it'd be nice to be true. 13:47:48 <Celestar> all the coils are there and it'll still take 6 years to complete 13:48:16 <planetmaker> Wendelstein 7-X is not even designed to have a positive energy gain. 13:48:26 <Celestar> no 13:48:30 <Celestar> it's not 13:48:51 <planetmaker> it's still all about containment. 13:48:53 <petern> hmm, fusin reactor 13:48:57 <petern> +o 13:49:12 <planetmaker> @op fusin ;) 13:50:15 <Celestar> planetmaker: I still wonder whether our approach is wrong. Maybe we should start building a fusion engine first 13:50:26 <planetmaker> newgrf proposal: an industry for OTTD, starting in 2050: hydrogen plan, delivers to fusion power plant. Substitutes coal :P 13:50:46 <Celestar> yay \o/ 13:50:55 <planetmaker> Celestar: what do you mean with fusion engine? Spacecraft? 13:51:00 <Celestar> aye 13:51:04 <planetmaker> Or fuelcells? 13:51:16 <Ammler> you mean there will be still coal power in 40 years? 13:51:19 <planetmaker> which rather is no fusion... err... 13:51:25 <Celestar> planetmaker: fusion. 13:51:28 <Celestar> plasma fusion 13:51:52 <planetmaker> Celestar: but there the principle problem is the same as in a power plant... where do you see the principle difference? 13:52:08 <planetmaker> Ammler: sure... peak coal is still long time of the screens. 13:52:28 <planetmaker> peak oils currently is. peak uranium probably soon will be (<50 years) 13:52:44 <Celestar> planetmaker: problem with confinement and ashes are reduced 13:53:07 <Aali> didn't someone somewhere at some point in time propose we make a spaceship that shoots out nukes behind it to accelerate? 13:53:12 <planetmaker> Celestar: not much. Only the confinement will ensure you to actually _have_ fusion. 13:53:20 <Aali> thats a "fusion" engine alright :) 13:53:23 <planetmaker> Aali: that's not fusion :) 13:53:28 <Aali> sure it is 13:53:32 <Celestar> Aali: that was the NASA, and it IS a viable propulion system. 13:53:46 <Aali> only the fusion isn't happening inside the engine 13:53:57 <Aali> ah, yes 13:54:05 <Celestar> called project Orion. 13:54:08 * petern grumbles about microsoft's mail clients not supports TLS for imap 13:54:12 <petern> *supporting 13:54:20 <Celestar> it's a just a propulsion system with little political backing 13:54:21 <Celestar> (= 13:54:25 <Aali> but you can't use nukes in space, right? 13:54:35 <Aali> (by law) 13:54:48 <Celestar> Aali: the Test-Ban-Treaty will end some daya 13:55:29 <Celestar> but I guess we'll have more advanced prop systems then 13:55:50 <planetmaker> not sure whether a test ban treaty expiration is really desirable... 13:56:55 <Celestar> not sure either. 13:57:47 <Celestar> not sure whether the chinese have signed it in the first place for exxample .. 14:00:28 <Celestar> not sure whether the NSWR falls under the test ban treaty too 14:04:55 <planetmaker> nswr? what's that? 14:05:01 <Celestar> nuclear salt water rocket. 14:05:12 <Celestar> a concept by Bob Zubrin. 14:05:17 <planetmaker> uh... never heard that either... 14:05:33 <Celestar> basic idea is to make a solution of Uranium bromide. 14:05:46 <Celestar> and inject that into a nozzle with critical mass/shape 14:06:09 <planetmaker> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive_Nuclear-Test-Ban_Treaty <-- Chinese seem to have signed the test ban treaty 14:06:31 <Celestar> good. 14:06:31 <planetmaker> as any "official" nuclear power. 14:06:47 <planetmaker> so... neither India nor Pakistan. 14:07:00 <planetmaker> nor Israel nor North Korea... 14:07:29 <planetmaker> That UBr-idea sounds "interesting"... 14:07:46 <Celestar> AFAIK, this treaty doesn't cover space, does it? 14:07:58 <Celestar> wasn't there a separate one? 14:08:06 <Celestar> might be wrong however 14:10:21 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:13:02 <planetmaker> there was. But it got superseeded afaik. It's in the wiki entry. 14:13:37 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D7B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:13:55 <planetmaker> that was covered even by the first one, the partial test ban treaty 1963 14:13:56 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D7B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:14:06 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:14:23 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:19:19 <Celestar> planetmaker: so basically the CTBT is not really in effect, is it? 14:20:21 *** Nuke2 [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:20:39 <planetmaker> obviously by law: it isn't. 14:21:13 <Celestar> hm .. 14:21:28 <Celestar> a Nuclear Thermal rocket is not covered by the treaty 14:21:36 <Celestar> neither are space-nuclear reactors of course 14:23:11 <Celestar> basically everything that doesn't go "Boom" 14:23:49 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 14:36:42 <planetmaker> well. It's not a treaty to abolish nuclear technology. It's a treaty to slow down nuclear weapons research... well... the obvious one ;) 14:38:53 <Belugas> any researches been done on flowers and love? 14:42:07 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 14:43:12 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:47:21 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D7B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:47:51 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D7B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:54:54 <planetmaker> Belugas: I heard quite some was done in woodstock... 14:57:26 <Belugas> hehe 14:57:42 <Belugas> Make Looooove! Not WAR!!! 14:59:05 <Celestar> hm. 14:59:41 <Celestar> Window's market share has dropped below 90% in November 2008, down almost 3 PP from November 2007 and 7 PP from November 2004. 15:00:16 * Belugas removes a tear from his left eye 15:01:42 <petern> awww 15:02:43 <Belugas> ho... sorry petern. Was not aware you were so close :) 15:03:00 <Belugas> that should teach me not to drop my tears every where :D 15:06:43 <petern> don't let them know! 15:11:01 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485E7AC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:14:49 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FD74.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:20:03 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet713.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 15:22:36 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D7B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:22:55 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D7B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:28:40 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:31:07 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83B7E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:31:10 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 15:31:23 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host81-156-74-176.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:56:34 <Eddi|zuHause> how was that again? inflicting a thermonuclear explosion is punishable by 3 years of prison or something? 15:58:11 <Eddi|zuHause> 5 years even 15:58:15 <Eddi|zuHause> http://dejure.org/gesetze/StGB/328.html 15:58:42 <Eddi|zuHause> point (2) 3. 15:58:43 <Rubidium> that's not much of a sentence for suicide bombers :( 15:59:34 <benjamingoodger> ... 15:59:38 <Eddi|zuHause> well, of course you are punishable for the multiple murder as well ;) 15:59:52 <benjamingoodger> I don't think sentencing suicide bombers is necessary 16:01:55 <Eddi|zuHause> 3 years if the action was "fahrlÀssig" (i.e. without intention) 16:03:34 <Rubidium> it still sounds a bit strange to me; if you accidentally set off such an explosion you're likely nearby and thus dead 16:04:04 <Eddi|zuHause> well... possibly you just were not instructed what that red button was for... 16:04:39 <Rubidium> or it was an nuclear power plant that went sky high 16:04:49 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590feb44.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:11:00 *** DJNekkid [~chatzilla@static128-249.adsl.no] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]] 16:12:15 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 16:14:09 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.165.160] has joined #openttd 16:18:40 <frosch123> poop planetmaker, alone against 10 noobs :p 16:18:48 <frosch123> *poor 16:21:43 <murr4y> poop planetmaker! 16:22:57 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 16:27:52 <fjb> frosch123: Talking about the german forum? 16:28:19 <frosch123> can you name another place, where you can encounter 10 noobs at once 16:28:31 <Rubidium> #openttd 16:29:10 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83B7E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: icebears... take care of them!] 16:29:31 <frosch123> ok, maybe "noob" was not appropiate 16:29:31 <fjb> Especially noobs that know everything even better than everybody else.... 16:30:04 <fjb> Rubidium: Better don't look at the german forum... 16:30:19 <Rubidium> fjb: already did 16:30:21 <fjb> I stopped writing there. 16:30:27 <fjb> Poor Rubidium... 16:30:32 <HerzogDeXtEr> anyone who uses that word for beginners should be kicked out of the channel :D 16:31:07 <Rubidium> HerzogDeXtEr: better write n006, right? 16:31:12 <HerzogDeXtEr> :D 16:31:20 <HerzogDeXtEr> or n4b ;) 16:32:43 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:32:58 <frosch123> HerzogDeXtEr: I guess it holds "BusyBeaver(postcount of planetmaker) < sum of postcounts of the 10 n006z" 16:33:09 *** Mortal is now known as Guest1910 16:33:09 *** mortal` is now known as mortal 16:35:02 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5D979.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:35:28 <HerzogDeXtEr> now he can buy himself a gum 16:37:35 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E7AC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:37:52 <Belugas> newbees ? clueless? wanabe-admins? 16:39:26 *** Guest1910 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:40:08 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E7AC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:41:16 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet713.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:50:13 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.165.160] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:55:28 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83B7E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:55:31 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 16:57:47 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:58:22 <Eddi|zuHause> lmao @ the forum thread :p 17:01:00 <glx> Belugas: I'd say a******* 17:01:55 <Belugas> :) 17:02:20 <Belugas> andouilles aussi, mais la, on a besoin de deux lettres de plus :) 17:02:53 <glx> ou p'tits cons 17:03:41 *** sladen [paul@starsky.19inch.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:04:15 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F0C9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:08:43 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:10:05 <Eddi|zuHause> my french is a little rusty, did you just say "you just need to add two letters there?" [i.e. 'a**']? 17:10:45 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea what "andouilles" could mean 17:11:10 <petern> Andouille (French: [ÉÌduj], American English: [ÉnË¡du:ɪ] (pronounced ahn-DWEE) is defined [1] as "a coarse-grained smoked meat made using pork, chitterlings, pepper, onions, wine, and seasonings. Andouille is French in origin, and was brought to Louisiana by French or German immigrants. Today the sausage is most often associated with Cajun cooking." [1] 17:11:15 <petern> :D 17:11:35 <petern> looks horrible, mind you 17:11:53 <Eddi|zuHause> "(pronounced ahn-DWEE)" <- i could never pronounce that... 17:13:15 <Eddi|zuHause> and based on context, i 17:13:25 <Eddi|zuHause> 'd have expected it to be an insult of some kind... 17:13:52 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@192.87.217.56] has quit [Quit: COCKBUSTER SLEEP MODE] 17:16:45 <Belugas> depends :) andouilles can be a sausage, but it can be a pejorative name too, like little stupid or something alike :) 17:17:04 <Belugas> headless jerk or else ;) 17:17:43 <Eddi|zuHause> "anduille" - "Hornochse, DÀmlack, Rindvieh, Dummkopf, Armleuchter" <- that's more like it :p 17:17:48 <frosch123> "arme wurst" also works in german 17:18:48 *** taytay [~tcohen@93.158.5.6] has joined #openttd 17:19:09 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: i'd not have the same association with that... 17:23:28 <ccfreak2k> You know, like when I go to do some lahn-DWEE in my house. 17:27:38 <Belugas> frosch123, are you aware of a delphi symbol that i can check for debug vs release? 17:28:43 <Belugas> like the {$IFNDEF VER140} and so on 17:29:40 <frosch123> no, I could also only look up the help page :) 17:30:04 <glx> isn't there "DEBUG" ? 17:35:42 <Belugas> i doubt, glx. but it's worth a try :) 17:35:59 <Belugas> frosch123, i did a thorough read, but it seems very well hidden if it's there 17:36:45 <Belugas> mmh... by the way... i'm starting to wonder if the transfers orders should not be made available by a switch in the settings 17:37:17 <Belugas> and once checked, a BIG RED MESSAGE telling waht you should expect regarding payments... 17:37:31 <Belugas> there is so many posts about that feature :S 17:37:38 <Belugas> people are REALLY boring 17:37:58 *** mode/#openttd [+v DorpsGek] by ChanServ 17:38:01 *** mode/#openttd [+v Belugas] by ChanServ 17:42:20 <ccfreak2k> The one where vehicles doing transfer get "virtual cash" so they don't show up as negative income? 17:44:44 <Eddi|zuHause> that, and the one where the vehicles get too much virtual cash, so that the last (slow) vehicle does show up as negative income 17:45:15 <Belugas> "how come i've got no income" 17:45:20 <Belugas> arrrrrgh 17:45:20 <Eddi|zuHause> and last but not least, the one where they enable transfer for all stations, so nothing ever gets delivered 17:45:32 <Belugas> ANDOUILLES!!! 17:45:52 <Belugas> if the system is too complicated for you, go back to tic-tac-towe 17:45:56 <Belugas> -w 17:46:16 <Rubidium> Belugas: transfers are more hidden in the new order gui 17:48:48 <Belugas> true. 17:49:03 <Belugas> i was just reacting to the number of "problems" related to that feature. 17:49:10 <Belugas> it is irritating 17:50:35 <dihedral> a lost train remains a lost train until it's no longer lost, but how should a lost train know it's not lost anymore if the lost train does not know where it is? 17:52:06 <Belugas> you lost me 17:54:24 <Belugas> thankfully, Dalestan is still making me laugh : "And the apo'strophe doe's not mean "Look out! Here come's an 'S'!"" 17:54:32 <Belugas> love it :D 17:55:00 <Rubidium> Beluga's it's Dale'stan! 17:55:38 *** Sacro_ [~sacro@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:55:49 <Belugas> hehehe 17:56:48 *** Yeggs-work is now known as Yeggstry 17:57:01 <dihedral> i prefer switching the D and the St 18:00:17 *** Sacro [~sacro@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:01:03 *** weltende [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:01:22 *** weltende [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has joined #openttd 18:02:23 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:02:59 <Belugas> wooo... dihedral, i think you should hate Dalestan. Switching letters, you can come up with "El D Satan" 18:03:01 <frosch123> Belugas: Well I guess you can define your own DEBUG symbol, and then disable or enable debug build depending on its definition :) 18:03:14 <Belugas> right 18:03:22 <Belugas> i guess i can 18:03:47 <Belugas> just that it means thinking of setting the switch on/off depending of the desired target 18:04:10 <Belugas> in an environment where you are not the only one to build releases, it might be prone to human errors 18:04:33 <frosch123> sure, when you are not alone you are doomed 18:04:54 *** Zorn [zorn@e177114000.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:05:21 *** Zorn [zorn@e177115034.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:09:39 *** Zorn [zorn@e177115034.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:11:56 *** rortom [~rortom_@5aca977d.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 18:17:56 *** Zorn [zorn@d137092.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #openttd 18:24:38 <Belugas> got it 18:24:39 <Belugas> {$IFOPT R+} 18:25:17 <Belugas> but rather $D $L $Y 18:25:30 <Belugas> that' our regular set of debugging infos include 18:25:55 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:25:59 <Belugas> so "Debug Information, Local Symbols and Reference Info/Definitions", 18:26:08 <Belugas> good to know 18:26:10 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.23] has joined #openttd 18:26:44 <frosch123> hehe, I cannot remember ever having done a non-debug build with delphi :) 18:27:28 <Belugas> we have releases :) so of course, we need to lower thwe size of the exes ;) 18:27:41 <Belugas> that's called deployment hehe 18:31:22 <planetmaker> [17:18] <frosch123> poop planetmaker, alone against 10 noobs :p <-- hehehe... ;) 18:32:16 *** Brianetta [~brian@host217-43-70-59.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:37:41 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:38:36 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: http://www.interplay.com/] 18:39:02 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 18:43:45 *** FR^2 [frr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 18:47:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r14648 /trunk/src/lang/ (7 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 18:47:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2008-12-02 18:46:52 18:47:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: croatian - 3 fixed, 5 changed by knovak (8) 18:47:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: hungarian - 37 changed by IPG (37) 18:47:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: indonesian - 62 fixed by fanioz (62) 18:47:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: lithuanian - 17 fixed by Enternald (17) 18:47:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: malay - 66 fixed, 2 changed by tombakemas (68) 18:51:57 *** weltende [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.2.6] 18:52:01 *** welterde [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has joined #openttd 18:55:07 <Belugas> Coder of the Month : translators! 18:59:35 <welshdragon> yay! 19:00:32 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host121-194-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:00:37 <Wolf01> hello 19:00:47 <benjamingoodger> hello 19:01:09 <SmatZ> hello 19:01:17 <Belugas> hello 19:01:21 *** rortom [~rortom_@5aca977d.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:01:25 <Eddi|zuHause> ¡holà ! 19:01:41 <Eddi|zuHause> á? 19:01:45 <Eddi|zuHause> whatever 19:01:47 <Wolf01> eh, the combo breakers... 19:01:50 <benjamingoodger> the latter I think 19:05:27 <Belugas> the former I say 19:05:46 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83B7E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:06:23 * benjamingoodger has german christmas biscuits 19:06:36 <fjb> Yes. 19:06:51 <fjb> What kind? 19:06:57 <welshdragon> holà , ¿como es? 19:07:09 <benjamingoodger> it just says "german" 19:07:10 * welshdragon is a spanis student 19:07:17 <welshdragon> *spanish 19:07:27 <benjamingoodger> though there's cinnamon on the box, and I can taste ginger in them also 19:07:38 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8260B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:07:41 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 19:09:37 <fjb> Definitely sounds like german christmas biscuits. 19:09:52 <Wolf01> benjamingoodger, if you can smell cinnamon then there's Spice on your biscuits, be careful with Spice 19:10:24 *** Brianetta [~brian@host217-43-70-59.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 19:10:33 <benjamingoodger> *blink* 19:10:34 <benjamingoodger> eh? 19:10:54 <Wolf01> Spice, Dune, giant worms... 19:11:08 <benjamingoodger> I see 19:11:17 <benjamingoodger> no, I've checked the packet thoroughly for giant worms 19:11:51 <Wolf01> no, they are really giant 19:12:45 * fjb thinks that Italian wolves don't know much about German christmas biscuits. 19:12:53 <Wolf01> and Spice make your eyes fully blue if you abuse assumption 19:12:56 <Prof_Frink> Bigger than the one in the Hoth asteroid belt? 19:13:27 <Wolf01> maybe they are of the same size 19:14:18 <benjamingoodger> hm 19:16:34 *** Ishka [~ishka@ppp-93-104-74-159.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #openttd 19:18:11 <SmatZ> hmm program crashes when I run it... but doesn't crash when I run it in debugger :-x 19:19:04 <Wolf01> that's normal 19:19:15 <SmatZ> :) 19:19:54 <frosch123> infact I encountered that several times in some delphi version. disabling the optimizer for the affected function helped :) 19:20:39 <SmatZ> I don't recompile the program, I just run it in debugger - and it doesn't crash :) 19:21:54 <Rubidium> SmatZ: write a crashhandler that dumps a core file that you can then read in the debugger? 19:22:50 <SmatZ> Rubidium: would be useful for OTTD too I guess :) 19:27:55 * Belugas is on a Kitaro trip 19:28:15 * Belugas is lightining some incense sticks 19:32:24 *** rubyruy [~ruy@S0106000c6e57c851.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 19:38:39 *** Sacro_ is now known as ^-^ 19:39:05 *** ^-^ is now known as ^_^ 19:39:38 *** ^_^ is now known as Guest15 19:40:13 *** Guest15 is now known as Sacro 19:41:57 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.165.160] has joined #openttd 19:45:45 *** SuomiPoika [SuomiPoika@a91-152-72-81.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 19:45:53 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:47:57 <Belugas> yeah. appointments are done for tonigh. I've got two stores (of two different merchants) to upgrade 19:48:04 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 19:48:13 <Belugas> how wonderful it is to know stuff others don't yet :S 19:49:27 *** SuomiPoika [SuomiPoika@a91-152-72-81.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 19:49:33 *** SuomiPoika [SuomiPoika@a91-152-72-81.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 19:49:50 <Eddi|zuHause> i have had that feeling many times :p 20:02:51 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:03:16 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 20:06:21 *** Korenn [~kvirc@93-125-161-18.dsl.alice.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:10:13 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:10:13 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:10:17 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 20:16:55 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:18:54 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet713.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 20:32:31 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590feb44.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:44:32 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host81-156-74-176.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:46:27 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 20:47:47 *** vraa [~vraa@h25.81.141.67.static.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 20:51:08 *** taytay [~tcohen@93.158.5.6] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:52:21 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E7AC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:03:25 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E7AC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:03:36 <Belugas> [14:50] <Eddi|zuHause> i have had that feeling many times :p <--- yup :) just go on forums and you have that feeling ^_^ 21:05:51 *** Sacro_ [~sacro@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:08:32 *** FR^2 [frr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: n8] 21:10:03 *** Sacro [~sacro@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:14:11 <Ishka> I have a question about the code: How do I show a debug message? 21:15:28 <Eddi|zuHause> grep -i debug src/*? 21:15:49 <Belugas> you do not send it to a nice popping window, if that's wat yu had in mind 21:16:07 <Ishka> that is, what I had in mind. 21:16:29 <Ishka> where is it send then? 21:16:30 <Eddi|zuHause> no, debug messages are only ever sent to the console 21:17:01 <Ishka> thank you. 21:17:36 <Eddi|zuHause> the one where you started the game, or the ingame console (key above <tab>), depending on setting 21:25:38 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 21:34:36 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8260B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:35:51 <Belugas> Ishka, but personnaly, i think that there's nothing better than a good breakpoint ;) 21:36:27 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B826FE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:36:30 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 21:37:39 *** Korenn [~kvirc@93-125-161-18.dsl.alice.nl] has joined #openttd 21:39:40 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-88-125.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:41:21 <Ishka> I like debugging in the applications, because webapplications (which I program normaly) are hardly run by debuggers ;) 21:46:21 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B826FE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:48:39 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81E0D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:48:41 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 22:01:21 *** nicfer [~nicfer@ulmo.lysator.liu.se] has joined #openttd 22:04:05 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:06:29 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Enohp eht no S'enilorac, Regor... Tnoflahc, mraf ynnuf eht fo erac, 'Knip Dlo' ot rewsna ruoy dnes esaelp. Egassem terces eht derevocsid tsuj evah uoy, sn] 22:09:05 <fjb> Will something like this make sense: "if (command.flags & (CF_GROUP | CF_CMD | CF_DATA | CF_INT))"? 22:10:12 <Aali> what are you checking for? 22:10:45 <fjb> Checking if CF_GROUP etc are bits set in command.flags 22:11:14 <Aali> that will tell you if any of those flags are set 22:11:15 <fjb> CF_GROUP = 1 << 0 22:11:37 <fjb> Hm, I want to tst if all of them are set. 22:12:36 <fjb> This is C, by the way. Forgot to say that. 22:13:27 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.165.160] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:13:46 <Wolf01> 'night 22:13:51 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host121-194-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:14:25 <Aali> what you need is (command.flags & (CF_GROUP | CF_CMD | CF_DATA | CF_INT)) == (CF_GROUP | CF_CMD | CF_DATA | CF_INT) but thats really messy so you should probably write it some other way (depending on what you're doing and where) 22:15:16 <fjb> Thank you. Some #define may help. 22:15:52 <Aali> indeed, if that makes sense with what you're working on 22:16:55 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81E0D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:19:53 <fjb> Hm, could I also write " if (command.flags == (CF_GROUP | CF_CMD | CF_DATA | CF_INT)) " if I want all of this but no other bit set? 22:20:05 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81D3D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:20:05 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 22:20:20 <Aali> fjb: sure 22:20:33 <fjb> Thank you. 22:26:24 <Eddi|zuHause> you can check "if (~command.flags & (CF_GROUP | CF_CMD | CF_DATA | CF_INT) == 0)" to check if all are set 22:28:37 <Aali> Eddi|zuHause: yes, and people will scratch their heads wondering what the hell that is supposed to do 22:29:02 <Eddi|zuHause> that's what "// checks if all of these flags are set" for 22:29:17 <Eddi|zuHause> s/if/whether 22:29:21 <Eddi|zuHause> / 22:30:42 <Aali> that explains what it does, but it doesn't tell them how it works 22:31:06 <Eddi|zuHause> then you send them to the next best logic lecture... 22:31:56 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:32:19 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:32:42 <Aali> well, I assume everyone is incompetent because most people I have ever worked with are :P 22:34:18 <Eddi|zuHause> then they should the hell take their paws of this code 22:34:27 <Eddi|zuHause> *off 22:35:24 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, that's the shortest version i could think of that doesn't use any preprocessor magic 22:35:52 <Aali> we're not playing perl golf here :P 22:35:57 <Aali> its not supposed to be short 22:36:38 <fjb> But I have to admit that Eddi|zuHause's solution is really smart. 22:37:14 *** nicfer [~nicfer@ulmo.lysator.liu.se] has left #openttd [] 22:37:31 <Eddi|zuHause> short expressions CAN be a means to achieve readability 22:37:41 <Aali> it is, and thats the problem, because then whoever modifies it has to be smart or it will break 22:38:17 <Eddi|zuHause> there are really "worse" parts of the code in that aspect... 22:38:17 <Aali> i would take clarity over shortness any day 22:39:04 <Eddi|zuHause> and i hope you'll ever try to understand the yapf core :p 22:40:28 <ccfreak2k> It's just using a logic AND to compare current flags with #defined flags. 22:40:34 <ccfreak2k> It's not that hard to understand. 22:41:14 *** gynter [~gynter@77-233-77-70.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:41:20 <Eddi|zuHause> those are enum values, not defines 22:42:04 <ccfreak2k> My point remains valid. 22:42:38 <fjb> Yes, enum. 22:43:00 <fjb> But that should not make that much difference. 22:45:23 <Ishka> good night 22:45:35 *** Ishka [~ishka@ppp-93-104-74-159.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has left #openttd [] 22:46:55 *** nicfer1 [~PC3@201.255.104.57] has joined #openttd 22:48:33 <fjb> I decides that Eddi|zuHause's solution is the best way to go in my project. The way I use should make it clear to everybody. 22:48:55 <fjb> missing = ~command.flags & (CF_GROUP | CF_CMD | CF_DATA | CF_INT) 22:49:30 <fjb> if (missing == 0) ... else ... 23:02:23 *** Korenn [~kvirc@93-125-161-18.dsl.alice.nl] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/] 23:05:21 *** davis- [~suckyours@p5B28F596.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:10:21 *** vraa [~vraa@h25.81.141.67.static.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 23:17:18 <ccfreak2k> :| 23:23:03 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81D3D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:24:12 <nicfer1> hmmm would be too hard to port openttd to rockbox? 23:24:41 *** burbas [burbas@Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE] has joined #openttd 23:24:41 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81BC3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:24:44 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 23:25:31 <burbas> Hi. Is there a setting that disable airports on a server? 23:25:50 <nicfer1> yes, set max numbers of airplanes to 0 23:26:26 <burbas> ah. Thank you. 23:30:44 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 23:37:08 *** vraa [~vraa@h176.188.213.151.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 23:40:06 <nicfer1> oh, and the apt repositories doesn't yet have 0.6.3 23:41:28 <Eddi|zuHause> that you'll have to talk to the repository maintainers about 23:42:19 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggzzz 23:45:25 <Rubidium> nicfer1: the apt repositories do have 0.6.3 23:45:32 <Rubidium> ... but only in unstable 23:45:43 <Rubidium> because testing is in deep freeze 23:45:59 <Rubidium> and you may be happy that 0.6.2 even got in 23:46:11 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: http://www.interplay.com/] 23:46:49 <nicfer1> oh, I'm using testing I think (lenny) 23:49:13 <welshdragon> anybody recognise the email translators-all@localhost ? 23:49:26 <Rubidium> that was me :( 23:49:34 <welshdragon> aah 23:49:39 <welshdragon> i got it 23:50:00 *** vraa [~vraa@h176.188.213.151.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 23:50:46 <nicfer1> is the new economy and balancing patch updated? 23:51:41 *** meush [~Amadeusz@76-10-183-169.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 23:52:53 <Eddi|zuHause> depends on what you mean with "new", "economy", "balancing" or "updated" 23:54:04 *** Priski- [priski@xob.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 23:54:05 *** Priski [priski@xob.kapsi.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:54:19 *** Priski- is now known as Priski 23:54:22 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:56:26 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]