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00:01:06 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@silver.liacs.nl] has quit [Quit: meh] 00:02:03 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 00:02:51 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-219-114.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:03:49 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:06:10 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 00:07:07 *** mortal is now known as Guest443 00:07:08 *** mortal` is now known as mortal 00:10:29 *** Guest443 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:17:13 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... in alaska, trains stop for wild animals like grizzly bears 00:20:49 *** Runr [~Runar@138.14.erx-lhm.eidsiva.net] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 00:32:51 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D96.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:12 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D42.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:34:48 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:37:52 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 00:43:49 <Wolf01> 'night 00:43:55 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host105-233-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 00:48:29 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:59:35 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 01:00:12 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 01:06:07 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C927.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:15:00 <petern> bah 01:15:08 <petern> aec railcar won't go above 56 01:15:12 <petern> it should reach 70 :o 01:23:29 <Sacro> petern: GO TO BED 01:23:50 <Sacro> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ianvisits/sets/72157611633177884/ 01:23:53 <Sacro> london without people :o 01:29:05 <FauxFaux> Pro. 02:05:14 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54464e82.lns3-c12.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:08:59 *** sand1 [~ben@124-168-182-36.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:12:27 <sand1> Hi, Running OpenTTD 6.2 (the one that comes with Ubuntu 8.10) and trying to get ECS Vectors working. I've changed the orders and tried different combinations of them, but they just don't seem to do anything. The long vehicles GRF works fine. 02:13:01 <Eddi|zuHause> the newest version of ECS does not work in 0.6.2, try to get an older one 02:14:08 <sand1> oh ok, will it work in 0.6.3? I can just install that instead. 02:16:35 <Eddi|zuHause> no, 0.6.3 has only bugfixes 02:16:59 <Eddi|zuHause> you will need a nightly build to play the newest ECS 02:17:27 <sand1> ok ok, that's why ECS refers to a build number not a version number... I'll just look for an older ECS then. 02:19:29 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:19:57 <sand1> hmm my choices are v1alpha 1 or get a nightly build and use v1 beta 5, so maybe I'll just do without them then. 02:25:19 <Eddi|zuHause> there should be a beta 4 02:26:01 <Eddi|zuHause> and you can try the grf pack from openttdcoop, it should contain the older versions 02:27:13 <Eddi|zuHause> and you should suggest George to put a better understandable error message for people who are playing 0.6 and never heard of nightlies before 02:30:54 <Sacro> christmas time... it's a german now 02:45:42 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.214.226] has joined #openttd 02:49:59 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.214.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:53:29 *** davis- [~suckyours@p5B28EF45.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:57:22 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@87.114.140.57.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:13:41 *** Aali_ [~aali@84-217-25-12.tn.glocalnet.net] has joined #openttd 03:15:31 *** Aali [~aali@84-217-26-37.tn.glocalnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:17:01 *** goodger_ [~ben@host81-153-85-164.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 03:17:39 *** goodger [~ben@host86-146-20-113.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:18:00 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:26:10 *** joachim [~joachim@244.81-166-176.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 03:28:01 <joachim> is there a yapp problem in the latest cargodest binaries? 03:28:25 <joachim> can't get trains to choose free station slots 03:36:07 <joachim> should i not use yapf? 03:36:16 <joachim> seems to work with the other two 03:48:44 <joachim> yup. 03:53:04 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 03:54:54 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:55:15 <Eddi|zuHause> usually a problem with the penalties 03:55:42 <Eddi|zuHause> especially if you use a config file or savegame from a pre-trunk yapp build 03:56:11 <Eddi|zuHause> there should be posts about that in the forum 03:58:01 <joachim> yes looks like a penalty problem, cause there is odd behaviour from the other ones as well 03:58:23 <joachim> just installed it today, maybe i already had a config file 04:00:39 *** Zorn [zorn@e177228022.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 04:01:54 *** elmex_ [~elmex@e180065146.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 04:05:13 <Eddi|zuHause> check this line: yapf.rail_pbs_station_penalty = 800 04:06:43 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggzzz 04:06:49 *** elmex [~elmex@e180066246.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:06:54 *** elmex_ is now known as elmex 04:07:42 <joachim> it was 2 04:08:03 *** Zorni [zorn@e177235093.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:09:37 <joachim> deleted the cfg and openttd set it to 1000 04:10:23 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, that should do it 04:10:30 <Eddi|zuHause> although that won't change your savegame 04:10:39 <Eddi|zuHause> you have to set it from the console there 04:11:05 <joachim> ok, is that the only variable i should change? 04:11:23 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, that's the only one that is reported to cause problems 04:11:35 <joachim> k, thanks :) 04:51:34 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Quit: Quit] 05:10:04 *** darks [~darks@124.161.79.44] has joined #openttd 05:17:01 *** GoneWack1 [~GoneWacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 05:18:16 *** darks [~darks@124.161.79.44] has quit [Quit: darks] 05:18:42 *** darks [~darks@124.161.79.44] has joined #openttd 05:22:14 *** Netsplit resistance.oftc.net <-> larich.oftc.net quits: ccfreak2k, lobster, GoneWacko, @Belugas 05:23:11 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-196-130-111.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:23:17 *** Netsplit over, joins: @Belugas, lobster, ccfreak2k 05:24:12 *** GoneWack1 is now known as GoneWacko 06:28:22 *** darks [~darks@124.161.79.44] has quit [Quit: darks] 07:33:17 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:03:18 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 08:20:44 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82291.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:22:23 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81FA3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:22:26 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 08:51:16 *** darks [~darks@124.161.79.44] has joined #openttd 08:57:25 *** Eduard_Munteanu [~Eduard_Mu@79.115.194.221] has joined #openttd 08:58:14 <Eduard_Munteanu> Hi. I'm not finding this within the FAQ, so please bear with me... Is there any open content that would allow me to run OpenTTD without owning original TTD? 08:59:25 <Eduard_Munteanu> I see there are some free scenarios. However, I couldn't find whether 3rd-party NewGRFs can be used to run the game in a standalone basis. 09:01:00 <edeca> There aren't, but you can download them (although they're probably not really free) 09:04:12 <Alberth> Eduard_Munteanu: no, you need the original TTDX data files to run OpenTTD. 09:04:51 <Eduard_Munteanu> Alberth, is there any substitute being worked on? I'd be interested to take a look, even if it's partially complete. 09:05:42 <Alberth> In the openTTD there is the OpenGFX thread which develops replacement graphics. 09:06:03 <petern> there's a replacement set but it's depressing 09:06:46 <Eduard_Munteanu> Alberth, thread as in forum thread or as in SCM branch? 09:06:54 <petern> forum thread 09:07:05 <Eduard_Munteanu> Thanks for helping. 09:07:16 <petern> in the openttd shold be in the forums, i think :) 09:07:26 <Eduard_Munteanu> Yes, I got it. :) 09:07:30 <petern> you can use opengfx if you use a nightly version 09:08:00 <Alberth> or use trunk for bleeding edge :) 09:08:04 <Eduard_Munteanu> petern, if I do a SVN/CVS checkout, is it there? 09:08:25 <Eduard_Munteanu> Alberth, yeah, I'll probably go that way. 09:08:46 <petern> no, it is currently a separate project 09:09:00 <Eduard_Munteanu> I see. 09:09:08 <petern> so get trunk, and then get the opengfx 09:09:22 <Eduard_Munteanu> Thanks. 09:34:55 *** Eduard_Munteanu [~Eduard_Mu@79.115.194.221] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:41:37 *** darks [~darks@124.161.79.44] has quit [Quit: darks] 09:53:26 *** gynter [~gynter@77-233-68-101.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has joined #openttd 09:53:29 <gynter> hello 09:53:49 <Alberth> hello 09:54:56 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 09:55:16 <gynter> what does transported goods depend on? 09:55:30 <gynter> not just goods 09:55:35 <gynter> any item 09:56:57 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F730.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:00:10 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host105-233-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 10:00:48 <Wolf01> hello 10:13:16 <Alberth> gynter: I don't understand the question, what do you mean "depend on"? 10:14:22 <Alberth> gynter: you simply pick up cargo where it is provided, and bring it to where it is needed. I don't see any 'depend on' 10:15:03 <gynter> does transported prec increases when cargo is dropped to destination or when cargo is picked up? 10:16:31 <Alberth> 'prec' ? 10:17:24 <gynter> precentage 10:18:56 <petern> percentage 10:19:16 <petern> and no, it's just pickup 10:21:53 <gynter> hmm odd 10:22:13 <gynter> i have major queue with ships, but still transported doesn't go over 66% 10:27:15 <Rubidium> gynter: ah... you mean that... that's because your station rating isn't high enough 10:27:37 <gynter> not rating, transported precentage in last month 10:28:55 <Rubidium> gynter: start reading what is written instead of thinking you've read what is written 10:29:14 <Alberth> station rating and transported percentage are tightly coupled. 10:35:30 <Wolf01> I don't understand why rating should affect transported percentage 10:37:08 <Rubidium> station rating is a way to measure the QOS of the transport company 10:37:14 <Alberth> if you service a station badly, why would an industry use your transport services? 10:38:20 <gynter> how to increase rating? 10:38:57 <Wolf01> transport percentage should be the real quantity of goods transported in relation of quantity of goods generated at station in a month 10:40:17 <Alberth> gynter: http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Game_mechanics#Station_rating 10:40:32 <Rubidium> everything "generated at the station" is transported for the industry 10:40:51 <Rubidium> as the industry "transports" it to the station 10:40:51 <Wolf01> it is 100 goods produced, 90 goods pick up, tp=90%, not 75% because I have a bad rating... how can you decide that is 75% when I really picked up the 90%? 10:41:45 <Rubidium> only 75 will be moved to the station with a 75% rating 10:42:43 <Alberth> Wolf01: how do you manage tp=90%? unless your station is flooded, you eventually transport everything you get. 10:42:47 <Wolf01> so I picked up the 90% of 75? 10:43:02 <Rubidium> then your station rating will lower over time 10:43:35 <Rubidium> thus you will get less cargo and thus you transported percentage will rp 10:43:42 <Rubidium> *drop 10:45:00 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:54:25 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D3D2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:59:04 *** gryph [~gryph@0x50a1213f.hrnxx7.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:00:45 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 11:10:44 <valhallasw> what was the magic double zoom key again? 11:11:12 <valhallasw> because ctrl-D does not seem to work :/ 11:11:17 <Eddi|zuHause> that was removed 11:11:24 <Eddi|zuHause> quite a while ago 11:11:26 <valhallasw> ah, right 11:13:00 <qball> :D 11:13:55 <qball> didn't it used to be so that if you transported more then 90% the production of that source dropped 11:14:24 <petern> gah, i hate assembly 11:15:26 <qball> petern: what are you doing 11:18:05 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 11:18:10 <yorick> heh, openttd is faster than ttdpatch here :) 11:19:21 <qball> I love openttd, it runs on linux. 11:22:07 <yorick> so does ttdpatch, if you use a lot of wine magic 11:22:21 <petern> trying to understand ttdpatch code :p 11:22:37 <yorick> don't 11:22:44 <yorick> it will explode your head once 11:23:33 <yorick> it's like reading uncommented brainfuck 11:25:22 <petern> -like 11:30:47 <petern> i follow the code up to c2*v^2 11:31:15 <petern> then it does shrd eax,edx,8 (where eax = c2 and edx = c2*v^2) 11:32:08 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:40:07 <valhallasw> and is there any way I can slow the game down? except by using NPF and ships? :P 11:40:13 <petern> F1 11:40:30 <yorick> hold printscreen 11:40:46 <valhallasw> slow, not stopped ;) 11:40:50 <Progman> holding ctrl-r 11:41:22 <yorick> that's not really much slowing 11:42:23 <Progman> and if you use a 32bpp grafic set? 11:48:55 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E39C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:48:56 <petern> then you're missing a ph 11:49:06 <fjb> Hello 12:03:20 *** OwenS [~OwenS@host86-128-252-186.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:03:53 *** Skyruner2 [~Skyruner2@ip-88-153-190-45.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #openttd 12:15:38 *** Yeggzzz is now known as Yeggstry 12:17:47 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81FA3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:18:41 <gynter> it would be good, if you could set same orders to all vechiles/trains/ships/aircrafts in same group 12:18:56 <Skyruner2> yes 12:19:37 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8122C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:19:40 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 12:23:23 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn14-26.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:26:39 <Alberth> gynter: normally you do that while creating the vehicles, by using shared orders 12:27:14 <Skyruner2> but a group does not nessecarily have the same shared orders 12:27:45 <Skyruner2> a group might be a list of feeders for a certain station who feed from all sorts of other stations 12:28:01 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejp153.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 12:28:11 <Skyruner2> but if the feeding to station changes it would be easies to change this via the group menu 12:29:11 <Rubidium> so you want to change a station in all orders of all vehicles within a certain group? 12:29:32 <Rubidium> that's most likely going to cause more troubles than benefits 12:29:55 <Skyruner2> ah nm.. gynter wanted something else 12:31:02 <Skyruner2> it would be nice though to have the option of creating a group from a shard orders list 12:31:10 <gynter> shared orders? 12:31:16 <Rubidium> Skyruner2: you already can 12:31:27 <Skyruner2> awesome... 12:31:29 <Skyruner2> wiki? 12:31:40 <Rubidium> it "only" requires you to make a group, add one of the vehicles to it and then add the vehicles with the same shared order 12:32:52 <Skyruner2> well if i clone on in that group that works too 12:33:05 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.1.163.11] has joined #openttd 12:33:25 <Rubidium> Skyruner2: http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Vehicle_groups 12:35:03 <Skyruner2> ah nice 12:35:08 <Skyruner2> never noticed that 12:35:12 <Skyruner2> thanks 12:36:03 <gynter> ah good 12:36:10 <gynter> same here, never noticed that 12:49:13 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 12:50:30 <Skyruner2> to add a new string, i need to add it to strings.h and atleast english.txt ? 12:50:43 *** KillaloT [~killalot@0x5738c874.rdnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:51:55 <Alberth> lang/english.txt and the .cpp file is enough. The system will re-generate the other files. 12:54:27 <Skyruner2> so i can just insert an unused STR_XXXX_MY_STRING into the sourcecode and add it to the english.txt? i dont think it compiles if i dont add it to strings.h 12:55:17 <yorick> it does 12:55:19 <Alberth> when typing 'make', it detects you modified lang/english.txt, and strgen re-generates all language files before compiling the source again 12:55:42 <Skyruner2> good to know 12:55:54 <Alberth> that's why you want 'make'!! :) 12:59:32 <Skyruner2> im trying to add another expense type in the company window. the way it currently works in drawing the rows is to simply increment the string index. so now 701C ist loan interest and 701D other - if i want to insert an element above another say before other my string would have to have 701D as an ID... how would i do that? 12:59:33 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:00:31 <Rubidium> the order in english.txt is used 13:01:08 <Rubidium> and the X in STR_XXXX_... where X is a hexadecimal have absolutely no meaning anymore 13:01:49 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-544399a4.lns4-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:02:47 <Skyruner2> can i just leave the XXXX out? 13:02:57 <Rubidium> yup 13:03:46 <Skyruner2> ah great.. that was confusing me 13:14:38 <petern> urgh 13:28:53 *** LordNokon [~hanneslou@196-209-18-72-nngy-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 13:29:12 <LordNokon> hello 13:29:28 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@silver.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 13:29:31 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 13:29:35 <Darkvater> Happy New Year to all :D 13:29:36 <Darkvater> ! 13:29:42 <LordNokon> can anyone help me with ttdx on vista 64 13:30:44 <yorick> happy newyear 13:30:54 <yorick> LordNoken: yes, use openttd 13:30:58 <yorick> Nokon* 13:31:49 <LordNokon> yorick, i've downloaded the lastest openttd but what about the game 13:32:04 <yorick> you only need the data files 13:32:16 <LordNokon> where do i get my hands on a version which works in vista 64 13:32:49 <yorick> you don't need any game 13:32:53 <yorick> just openttd and the data files 13:32:59 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:33:02 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:33:05 <yorick> and the data files are on your ttd cd 13:33:09 *** TrueBrain [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 13:33:14 <TrueBrain> hello lovely people :) 13:33:16 <yorick> or somewhere on the internet 13:33:26 <Darkvater> I'll be seeing you guys in about a week with hopefully more time for ottd :) 13:33:29 <Darkvater> gelukkig nieuwjaar TrueBrain 13:34:04 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@silver.liacs.nl] has quit [] 13:34:24 <LordNokon> ah ok 13:34:32 <LordNokon> i think i got it working now 13:34:36 <LordNokon> let me see quickly 13:36:42 * TrueBrain loads his IM to send Darkvater something back .. pff .. saying something and leaving, how could he! :p 13:37:43 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:50:49 *** FR^2 [frr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 13:54:58 <LordNokon> yorick you there 13:55:03 <yorick> ? 13:58:00 <LordNokon> is there a way to change the outputs of the factories 14:02:09 <Skyruner2> you can change to production values of resource industries via cheets 14:02:24 <Skyruner2> http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Cheats 14:03:07 <LordNokon> thanks skyruner2, ill have a look, quick last question? 14:03:14 <Skyruner2> http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Cargo ;) 14:03:17 <LordNokon> how do i get the game to play in a window 14:03:26 <Skyruner2> game settings 14:03:36 <Rubidium> cheats don't change factory production 14:03:40 <Skyruner2> theres an option for resolution & a button for full screen 14:04:16 <joachim> isn't there a patch for changing production? 14:04:30 <Skyruner2> you mean the production ammount or the production type? 14:04:53 <LordNokon> ok what i want to do is to set all factories to max production when a game starts 14:04:54 <Skyruner2> ie producin more of what it already does or something different 14:04:59 <gynter> if i clone a ship with shared orders, then cloned ship doesn't have shared orders 14:05:14 <Skyruner2> hold crtl when cloning 14:05:21 <gynter> ah k 14:05:21 <Skyruner2> @dynter. 14:05:24 <gynter> thanks 14:05:27 <Skyruner2> ;) 14:06:28 <Skyruner2> LordNokon: i dont know of a quick way to accieve what you want to do 14:06:48 <LordNokon> yes i want to change the production amounts not the type 14:07:56 <Skyruner2> then you need to send more cargo (livestock,grain,steel) to the factory (in temperate climate) 14:08:23 <Skyruner2> to get more livestock & grain, you can use the cheats 14:08:26 <LordNokon> thats one of the things correct, but like mining stations, to produce at max 14:08:38 <Skyruner2> cheats ;) 14:09:24 <LordNokon> cool 14:09:29 <LordNokon> ill try that one quickly 14:11:33 <LordNokon> thanks to everyone with the help on the game 14:11:48 <LordNokon> is so good being able to play an old classic like this still on vista 14:12:59 <LordNokon> i love the new hugh maps and towns 14:16:39 *** Aali_ is now known as Aali 14:17:36 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Checking whether build environment is sane ... build environment is grinning and holding a spatula. Guess not.] 14:24:53 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad9f852.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:24:58 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad9f87a.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 14:32:34 <gynter> hmh, 14:32:44 <gynter> there should be favorites in server browser :P 14:41:45 <TrueBrain> and a: last joined 14:41:45 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 14:43:11 <yorick> any way I could apply DirDiff to TrackBits, while still getting the expected result? 14:43:53 <Rubidium> some people really need to play OpenTTD more often... 14:43:53 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.1.163.11] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:46:35 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.1.163.11] has joined #openttd 14:48:36 <Eddi|zuHause> i thought the "last joined" was already implemented? 14:48:48 <yorick> yes, it was 14:49:23 <[com]buster> useful feature indeed 14:53:03 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.1.163.11] has quit [Quit: http://www.chogie.eu] 14:53:39 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.1.163.11] has joined #openttd 14:59:27 <LordNokon> how do i get my towns to be these hugh towns with a population of over 150000 people 14:59:45 <[com]buster> passenger service 14:59:55 <[com]buster> *good* passenger service 15:00:52 <LordNokon> between different towns of locally 15:01:10 <[com]buster> between towns make both grow 15:01:13 <Eddi|zuHause> doesn't matter 15:01:31 <Eddi|zuHause> any service will do 15:01:31 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I guess so ;) 15:02:06 <TrueBrain> but okay, I meant a Recent Servers, like Favorite Servers, and Local Server, like CoD4!!! :) YEAH! :p 15:02:10 <TrueBrain> pompiedom 15:02:10 <Eddi|zuHause> a tram or bus service is usually the easiest to make a town grow 15:02:45 <Eddi|zuHause> dubdidubidabidau 15:03:01 <Eddi|zuHause> mana mana 15:03:05 <LordNokon> since i started playing this game when it was first released, i could neva get that part correct 15:09:13 <TrueBrain> hmm .. my guitar is a bit .. off tune :p Haha :) 15:09:23 <TrueBrain> having it two weeks in an isolated room can't be good :p 15:10:27 *** FR^2 [frr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by caffein depletion...] 15:12:39 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-196-176-251.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 15:12:47 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.1.163.11] has quit [Quit: http://www.chogie.eu] 15:12:49 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8122C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:14:41 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80AD7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:14:44 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 15:20:41 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-196-176-251.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:22:39 *** davis- [~suckyours@p5B28ED48.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:23:28 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-140-114.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 15:26:48 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-224-35.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 15:28:28 *** ostehovel [~ostehovel@062016205204.customer.alfanett.no] has joined #openttd 15:30:59 *** Wolle [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0EA49.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:32:30 *** canhoto [~dextro@lx1-84-90-228-135.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 15:50:31 *** TrueBrain [truebrain@openttd.org] has left #openttd [So long and tnx for all the fish] 15:51:22 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 15:53:39 *** canhoto [~dextro@lx1-84-90-228-135.netvisao.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:09:07 <Skyruner2> how do you use the conditional "goto" order? 16:09:44 <ostehovel> click the button and then click the order it will jump to 16:09:58 <ostehovel> and then you set the setting for the conditional order 16:11:10 <Skyruner2> thx 16:12:59 <Sacro> is that in trunk now? 16:13:15 <Rubidium> Sacro: no 16:17:00 *** Sam19 [~Sam19@92.8.53.90] has joined #openttd 16:17:17 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-145-26-37.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:23:40 *** ostehovel [~ostehovel@062016205204.customer.alfanett.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:25:52 <Skyruner2> why does the last feeder vehicle(delivery vehicle) get the transfer credit subtrackted? why not just calculate the transfer profit as with previous feeder vehicles? 16:26:29 <Skyruner2> it does not need to balance since the vehicle profit and company [vehicle type] income is seperate anyways 16:26:57 <gynter> hmh 16:27:24 <Eddi|zuHause> but they need to add up 16:27:50 <Rubidium> otherwise people file bugreports 16:27:55 <gynter> how to set breakdowns to none? 16:27:58 <Rubidium> see FS#<some> 16:28:15 <Eddi|zuHause> in the difficulty settings, gynter 16:28:27 <gynter> ah, thanks 16:29:17 <Skyruner2> so they manually addup the train profits see that it does not match what is shown and file the report? 16:29:27 <Rubidium> Skyruner2: yes 16:29:31 <Skyruner2> ah ok 16:33:46 <gynter> how can I load a scenario when running server via cli ? 16:34:17 <Eddi|zuHause> with "-g x.scn" 16:34:53 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-145-26-37.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:35:12 <gynter> ah, same as savegame? 16:35:12 <gynter> ok 16:38:20 <gynter> can i use //comment in config file on same line as config variable? 16:38:35 <gynter> currency = EUR //test 16:38:41 <yorick> use # ;) 16:38:44 <gynter> k 16:40:43 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejp153.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 16:44:35 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-145-26-37.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:48:28 *** SmatZ is now known as Guest566 16:48:29 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 16:49:37 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:49:44 *** Guest566 is now known as SmatZ 16:50:51 <Skyruner2> how can i get the source of the cargo dest branch`? 16:51:10 <Forked> http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Passenger_and_cargo_destinations#Obtaining_the_source_code 17:04:26 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-544399a4.lns4-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:05:54 *** Sam19 [~Sam19@92.8.53.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:16:04 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:23:48 <Eddi|zuHause> haha... "I'm proud of living in a country, where a white man can be elected president, even if he is part black." :p 17:24:24 <petern> hilarious 17:24:44 <petern> so when does he get his horns out? 17:25:12 <Eddi|zuHause> end of january, or something 17:26:39 <gynter> is it possible to modify cost of trams without editing grf? 17:27:01 <Sacro> yes 17:27:10 <gynter> any howtos/tutorials? 17:28:16 <gynter> can I also change designed date? 17:28:35 <Sacro> RTFS 17:28:37 <Sacro> yes 17:30:27 <Eddi|zuHause> that is like asking "is it possible to turn a car without using the steering wheel" 17:30:40 <Eddi|zuHause> of course it is possible, but why the hell would you do that? 17:31:06 <gynter> because I dont want to have nowadays trams in 1945 17:31:19 <gynter> besides, they cost less than 1945 trains 17:31:21 <gynter> trams * 17:31:23 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but just edit the grf 17:31:31 <gynter> k 17:31:32 <Eddi|zuHause> it's like 3 steps 17:31:46 <Eddi|zuHause> decode, change the number, encode 17:31:47 <gynter> was just asking if theres some config file thing to override 17:32:03 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, the config file is called "grf" 17:33:50 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:39:09 <Skyruner2> can anyone access http://www.selenic.com/ = 17:39:12 <Skyruner2> ?* 17:40:02 <yorick> nope 17:43:08 <joachim> can any town become a city if serviced enough? 17:44:47 <Eddi|zuHause> no, cities are distributed at the start of the game 17:44:54 <Eddi|zuHause> there is no change of that status 17:44:59 <joachim> ah, ok 17:45:43 *** Skyruner2 [~Skyruner2@ip-88-153-190-45.unitymediagroup.de] has left #openttd [] 17:45:45 <joachim> so is there a pop cap on towns, or do they just grow slower? 17:46:42 *** vraa [~vraa@h94.227.29.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 17:49:42 <Eddi|zuHause> there is no cap 17:49:55 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 17:50:55 *** Sam19 [~Sam19@92.8.53.90] has joined #openttd 17:51:10 <Sam19> Hi 17:54:48 <LordNokon> hi sam19 17:55:08 *** gryph [~gryph@0x50a1213f.hrnxx7.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:55:19 <yorick> any possibility to disable pbs? 17:55:53 <yorick> or presignals? 17:56:07 *** vraa_ [~vraa@h240.228.29.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 17:56:14 <glx> just don't use them 17:56:26 <Swallow> Why would you want to disable them? 17:56:34 <yorick> why would I want to disable build on slopes? 17:57:21 *** vraa_ [~vraa@h240.228.29.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [] 17:57:28 *** vraa_ [~vraa@h240.228.29.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 17:57:35 *** Skyruner2 [~Skyruner2@ip-88-153-190-45.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #openttd 17:57:50 <Swallow> Good question 17:58:51 *** vraa [~vraa@h94.227.29.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:59:28 <yorick> because I want to disallow building on slopes, that's why :) 18:00:33 <Eddi|zuHause> use 0.6.3 ;) 18:01:55 <yorick> doesn't disable presignals 18:03:14 <Eddi|zuHause> use TTD :p 18:03:26 <glx> why disable something you're not forced to use? 18:03:35 <yorick> multiplayer ;) 18:05:31 <Eddi|zuHause> this is not TTDPatch, whose design goal it is, that every gameplay change can be disabled 18:08:32 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i need a tram stop on a bridgehead 18:09:01 <Eddi|zuHause> and a train station under the bridge 18:10:38 <petern> and the moon! 18:10:40 <petern> on a stick! 18:11:03 <Eddi|zuHause> moon meat from the moon meat mine on the moon? 18:12:02 <petern> don't be silly 18:12:15 <petern> the moon is made of cheese, not meat 18:15:04 <Sam19> Just thought i'd let you know, OpenTTD crashes after a few seconds of playing, on Windows 7 18:15:42 <glx> with any message? 18:16:41 <Skyruner2> my guess: sound output & DX 18:16:43 <glx> btw I don't care about windows 7 as it's still unfinished 18:16:58 <Sam19> Sound output is fine 18:17:05 <glx> yes probably music driver 18:17:08 <Sam19> It freezes for a second then disapears 18:17:09 <glx> try -m null 18:17:30 <Sam19> (as in comes up saying Windows is trying to find a solution) 18:18:25 <Sam19> I tried running it in compatability mode, for XP and Vista, however, it comes up saying 'Cannot load sample.cat' 18:18:44 <glx> where is sample.cat? 18:18:50 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@ip-67-205-67-52.static.privatedns.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:19:15 <Sam19> in the TTD folder 18:19:30 <glx> so in programs? 18:20:14 <Sam19> hang on a sec, gonna try something 18:20:22 <glx> it must be in one of openttd data dirs 18:20:40 <glx> (as said in the readme) 18:25:15 <Sam19> (btw, This is on the latest nightly build, and the one before it) 18:26:36 <glx> and other are fine? 18:30:45 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]] 18:36:42 <Sam19> Well, the 0.6.3 build seems to be working OK, I can't play the game that I want to though (It was made on a newer version) 18:36:59 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:37:02 *** Mortal is now known as Guest581 18:37:03 *** mortal` is now known as mortal 18:38:59 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: translators * r14782 /trunk/src/lang/ (12 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 18:38:59 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-01-02 18:38:20 18:38:59 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: arabic_egypt - 7 fixed by khaloofah (7) 18:38:59 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 14 fixed, 5 changed by tucalipe (19) 18:38:59 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: catalan - 14 fixed by arnaullv (14) 18:39:01 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: finnish - 14 fixed by jpx_ (14) 18:39:03 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: hungarian - 14 fixed by alyr (14) 18:39:12 <yorick> then obviously you need at least the revision the game was saved with ;) 18:39:31 <gynter> why I have a Tram with car icon? 18:40:29 <Sam19> Yorick, the problem with that is, that was a nightly build, and the nightly build crashes for me 18:40:29 <Sam19> lol 18:43:23 *** Guest581 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:44:19 *** gryph [HydraIRC@78.156.212.47.bredband.3.dk] has joined #openttd 18:45:09 *** gryph [HydraIRC@78.156.212.47.bredband.3.dk] has left #openttd [] 18:56:19 *** goodger__ [~ben@host81-153-85-164.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:56:54 *** wgrant [~wgrant@c122-108-27-22.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:03:08 *** goodger_ [~ben@host81-153-85-164.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:08:59 *** Sam19 [~Sam19@92.8.53.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:17:00 <petern> @seen kudr 19:17:00 <DorpsGek> petern: kudr was last seen in #openttd 15 weeks, 4 days, 2 hours, 23 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <KUDr> r 19:17:29 *** wgrant [~wgrant@c122-108-27-22.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 19:24:02 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejp153.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 19:24:22 *** thingwath [~thingwath@88.83.164.57] has quit [Quit: It's all over.] 19:24:32 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejp153.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 19:24:59 *** thingwath [~thingwath@88.83.164.57] has joined #openttd 19:33:39 <Eddi|zuHause> not-so-famous last wordsS? 19:46:03 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14783 /trunk/src/vehiclelist.cpp: -Fix (r12661): don't add vehicles with "go to nearest depot" to the vehicle list of the depot with index 0. 19:49:51 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@ip-67-205-67-52.static.privatedns.com] has joined #openttd 19:55:26 <Eddi|zuHause> is there a latex package that allows direct input of graphviz into the .tex file? 19:57:53 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@ip-67-205-67-52.static.privatedns.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:59:08 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00:24 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: have you tried googling? 20:01:40 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14784 /trunk/src/ (order_gui.cpp vehicle_gui.cpp): -Change: don't close and reopen the vehicle order/detail windows, just refocus them instead. 20:02:26 *** flexd [~flexd@127.79-160-12.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:02:40 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but the results are somewhat uncoordinated... 20:02:44 <petern> so... what *does* shrd eax,edx,8 do? 20:03:16 <Eddi|zuHause> it shreds eax into edx in stripes of 8mm? 20:03:48 <Rubidium> it shifts right a double 20:05:46 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485DC0F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:07:04 <petern> hm 20:07:19 <petern> ah, it's the imul that's confusing me then 20:07:35 <petern> that's clearly just a /256... 20:07:57 <glx> are you lurking in ttdp source? 20:09:02 <petern> yeah 20:09:23 <Rubidium> it's "shrd dest, source, count" 20:10:20 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause, the 7th google hit: http://mark.aufflick.com/blog/2007/03/25/embedding-graphviz-in-latex-documents 20:10:34 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E39C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:10:52 <Rubidium> although you could also export the dot to tex and import that 20:10:52 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i just tried that, but it does not work 20:11:43 <Eddi|zuHause> i inserted the 3 lines given there into my document, and first it said "option clash for package graphicx 20:12:34 <petern> yeah, it was the imul that got me, i think 20:12:46 <petern> "imul edx" 20:12:46 <Eddi|zuHause> and when i removed that, it said: ! Argument of " has an extra }. 20:12:56 <petern> modifies eax as well, i believe 20:13:01 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.211.13] has joined #openttd 20:13:21 <Eddi|zuHause> but... that looks like a conflict with ngerman, actually 20:18:14 <Rubidium> petern: looks like it does eax := eax * edx 20:18:27 <gynter> hmm 20:18:50 <gynter> how to set more that 1 property using action0 ? 20:19:13 <glx> read the docs :) 20:19:15 <petern> F7 /5 IMUL r/m32 9-38/12-41 EDX:EAX := EAX * r/m dword 20:19:24 <petern> so it sets both, indeed, as a double word 20:19:59 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.214.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:20:17 <glx> gynter: <Sprite-number> * <Length> 00 <Feature> <Num-props> <Num-info> <Id> (<Property <New-info>)... 20:20:22 <glx> it's quite explicit 20:20:38 <gynter> ahh ok 20:20:50 <glx> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action0 <-- full doc 20:20:56 <petern> so really it's just foo * bar / 256 20:23:07 <petern> which of course gives results that make no sense :) 20:29:53 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.1.163.11] has joined #openttd 20:35:51 <gynter> road vechile max speed is 127km/h? 20:36:23 *** wgrant [~wgrant@c122-108-27-22.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:36:28 <Rubidium> yes, something like that 20:37:00 <Rubidium> more like 255/1.6*(conversion_factor("mile", "kilometre") 20:37:25 <Rubidium> divided by 2 20:38:42 <Rubidium> so 255/1.6*1.609344/2 which is 128 km/h 20:41:38 *** wgrant [~wgrant@c122-108-27-22.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 20:41:57 <Rubidium> but that is (again) explained in the NewGRF specs 20:42:01 <gynter> ye 20:42:50 *** gynter [~gynter@77-233-68-101.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:43:08 *** evandar [~evandar@213.168.176.142] has joined #openttd 20:49:12 <petern> sure? 20:49:34 <petern> 79 mph 20:49:34 <petern> ah 20:50:06 <petern> must've been playing in km/h when i saw 127 max, heh 20:50:18 <petern> this damned rail car won't go past 51 now :/ 20:50:38 <petern> problem with supporting newgrf drag coefficient is it's bollocks ;) 20:50:44 <Rubidium> floor(255/3.2) == 79 20:59:19 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14785 /trunk/src/ (7 files): 20:59:19 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: -Fix [FS#2132]: vehicle list for station gets closed when station view is closed 20:59:19 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: even when the vehicle list is stickied. Other vehicle lists are not deleted when 20:59:19 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: their 'opening' window gets closed so do the same with the station view. 21:01:25 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14786 /trunk/src/terraform_gui.cpp: -Fix: road/rail/water/airport toolbar opened over terraform toolbar when toolbar linking is turned on. 21:01:40 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14787 /trunk/src/ (airport_gui.cpp dock_gui.cpp rail_gui.cpp road_gui.cpp): -Fix: landscape toolbar getting closed when rail/road/water/airport toolbar gets closed with linked toolbars turned on. 21:01:57 *** Skyruner2 [~Skyruner2@ip-88-153-190-45.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~] 21:13:13 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejp153.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 21:14:54 *** goodger__ is now known as goodger 21:15:31 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 21:29:10 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 21:29:11 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.1.163.11] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:30:02 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.1.163.11] has joined #openttd 21:31:59 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejp153.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 21:34:11 *** vraa_ [~vraa@h240.228.29.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 21:35:52 *** vraa [~vraa@h240.228.29.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 21:39:56 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DC0F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 21:47:10 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-140-114.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:49:30 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-196-155-51.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 21:51:52 *** Streifi2 [~chatzilla@212-183-35-34.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 21:53:42 *** davis- [~suckyours@p5B28ED48.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:57:33 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-196-155-51.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:00:21 *** vraa [~vraa@h240.228.29.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:01:34 *** Streifi2 [~chatzilla@212-183-35-34.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]] 22:04:05 *** vraa [~vraa@h240.228.29.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 22:14:19 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.211.13] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:16:44 <joachim> "2 passengers to unknown station, no route found!" - will they eventually go away, or is there any way to figure out where the problem is/was? (cargodest) 22:17:55 <Rubidium> the problem's most likely someone/something that removed a station 22:18:18 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14788 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix [FS#2489]: some TTDPatch flags were wrong (Swallow) 22:18:40 <joachim> can't remember doing that lately 22:18:46 <joachim> but will they stay forever? 22:19:23 <Rubidium> no idea 22:21:08 *** De_Ghosty [~s@206-248-162-216.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 22:21:57 <Eddi|zuHause> passengers slowly go away if the rating is below 50% (i think) 22:22:05 <Eddi|zuHause> otherwise, they will stay forever 22:22:25 <Eddi|zuHause> and it is usually a route that was removed, while the station is still there 22:22:45 <Eddi|zuHause> or something absolutely weird 22:22:54 <joachim> shouldn't it know the station name then 22:23:23 *** vraa [~vraa@h240.228.29.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:24:52 *** vraa [~vraa@h240.228.29.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 22:26:09 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B7503D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:26:54 <petern> hmm, i should get the windows 7 beta soon 22:27:23 <petern> though from what i've seen it's pretty much vista with a different task bar... 22:27:47 <Rubidium> yeah... and don't browse to your map with MP3s with Explorer ;) 22:28:02 <petern> my map? 22:28:27 <Rubidium> s/map/folder/ ;) 22:28:53 <mrfrenzy> what will it do to the poor files? 22:29:25 <Rubidium> mrfrenzy: whatever "reading" MP3s would do 22:30:49 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D42.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:31:00 <mrfrenzy> huh 22:31:04 <Rubidium> which in case of Windows 7 seems to be unrecoverably corrupting the MP3s 22:31:12 <mrfrenzy> lol 22:32:26 <glx> how is it possible to corrupt a file by reading it? 22:32:34 <glx> windows is amazing :) 22:32:40 <Rubidium> glx: reading != "reading" 22:32:51 *** Skyruner2 [~Skyruner2@ip-88-153-190-45.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #openttd 22:32:52 <mrfrenzy> fortunately I keep my music on a readonly samba shar e;) 22:33:16 <Skyruner2> Fehler 3 fatal error C1083: Datei (Include) kann nicht geöffnet werden: "boost/graph/adjacency_list.hpp": No such file or directory c:\ottd_dev\cargodest_src\src\routing_classes.h 28 openttd 22:33:18 <Skyruner2> :( 22:33:30 <glx> yes you need boost headers 22:37:01 <petern> hmm, did anyone start work on making multiple sets uninteroperable? 22:37:07 <petern> *newgrf sets 22:37:23 <glx> not really 22:37:30 <Rubidium> OzTransLtd did make his set uninteroperable, but that's about it I reckon 22:37:34 *** FR^2 [frr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 22:37:54 <glx> hmm it did disable them for ttdpatch too IIRC 22:38:37 <Rubidium> glx: lies... he allowed his set to be used for exactly 1 revision of TTDP 22:38:57 <Rubidium> and IIRC revisions < 14000 of OpenTTD with multipool enabled 22:39:08 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7677E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:40:04 <Progman> Skyruner2: you need some parts of the boost lib 22:40:31 *** evandar [~evandar@213.168.176.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:42:17 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14789 /trunk/src/ (20 files in 2 dirs): -Feature: allow scrolling with the left mouse button pressed (if enabled). Primarily useful for systems with touch screen (aapo) 22:44:14 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B7503D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:46:34 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B755B8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:49:50 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B755B8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:49:56 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14790 /trunk/src/ (5 files): -Codechange: unify generation of default savegame/screenshot names (PhilSophus) 22:49:58 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B755B8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:50:14 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7677E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:51:41 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B75A48.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:53:07 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 22:54:55 <Skyruner2> howcome ottd wont compile with music enabled Fehler 3 error LNK2001: Nicht aufgelöstes externes Symbol "_CLSID_DirectMusicLoader". dmusic.obj openttd 22:55:09 <Skyruner2> and compiled versions dont play music? 22:55:28 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d861fd8.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 22:55:44 <Rubidium> cause you've got the wrong version of the DirectX stuff installed or you have installed it incorrectly 22:57:08 <Skyruner2> hm its DX9.0c and works fine with all other games... 22:57:37 <Skyruner2> the dxdiag direct music test works fine aswell 22:57:44 <Roujin> hey Rubidium, did you check what happens regarding the latest commit if one tries to make a screenshot/save as spectator when no company exists? 22:57:58 <Roujin> (sorry to break into a running conversation) 22:58:03 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B755B8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:58:42 <Rubidium> Roujin: the same as what happened before 22:59:20 <Rubidium> the misc_gui stuff is basically moved to saveload.cpp and the others already passed _local_company as being safe 22:59:22 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74892.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:59:33 <Rubidium> safe meaning it's a valid company id 23:00:11 <Roujin> and is COMPANY_FIRST also safe if no company exists? 23:00:20 <Roujin> because there's this line: SetDParam(0, IsValidCompanyID(_local_company) ? _local_company : COMPANY_FIRST); 23:01:51 <Rubidium> Roujin: as I said... that's for the "misc_gui.cpp" case, in the other cases _local_company is for sure valid 23:02:28 <Rubidium> and there's always "something" at GetCompany(COMPANY_FIRST) that resolves to a name 23:02:53 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B75A48.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:04:15 <Skyruner2> hmm i dont know why music does not work.. 23:04:17 <Rubidium> so the behaviour doesn't change 23:04:40 <Skyruner2> i guess ill just disable it in the building and play without (as i have been) 23:04:42 <Rubidium> Skyruner2: likely because you haven't installed the music or installed it in the wrong place 23:05:05 <Skyruner2> the tracs do show up in ottd 23:05:20 <Skyruner2> if its a build with music in enabled 23:05:28 <Skyruner2> not sure about ones with it disabled 23:05:32 <Rubidium> that's because the track names are hardcoded 23:05:39 <Skyruner2> ah ok 23:05:45 <Rubidium> as the music files don't contain the names 23:20:43 <Roujin> Rubidium: I've created a situation where it resolves to (undefined string) 23:21:21 <Roujin> in the misc_gui case, of course.. 23:22:45 <Rubidium> Roujin: then it should've been doing that before too 23:23:49 <Roujin> hmm i'm not 100% sure if const Company *c = GetCompany(IsValidCompanyID(_local_company) ? _local_company : COMPANY_FIRST); and then SetDParam(0, c->index); did the same 23:24:05 *** vraa [~vraa@h240.228.29.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 23:24:07 <Roujin> as now --- SetDParam(0, IsValidCompanyID(_local_company) ? _local_company : COMPANY_FIRST); --- does 23:24:16 <Rubidium> GetCompany(whatever)->index == whatever 23:24:35 <Roujin> also if the company doesn't exist? 23:24:56 <Rubidium> yes 23:25:16 <Roujin> okay, then it probably did the same thing before 23:25:21 <Rubidium> only that GetCompany(whatever)->index where whatever > GetCompanyPoolSize() segfaults or asserts 23:25:34 <Rubidium> s/>/>=/ 23:25:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D3D2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:25:57 <Rubidium> but... GetCompanyPoolSize() is always >= 1 23:26:20 <Rubidium> and IsValidCompanyID only returns true when whatever is smaller than the pool size 23:27:24 *** vraa [~vraa@h240.228.29.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 23:27:38 <Roujin> well I'll go and file a bug report about the undefined string still, even if it's an old bug.. 23:27:50 *** vraa [~vraa@h240.228.29.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [] 23:27:58 <Rubidium> well... what's the right name when there's no company then? 23:28:39 <Roujin> something else than (undefined string) in any case.. 23:29:11 <Roujin> in all other cases where standard naming is not applicable, it's just called "screenshot..." 23:29:23 *** vraa [~vraa@h240.228.29.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 23:30:37 <Rubidium> and it doesn't do that? 23:31:44 <Roujin> for screenshots yes, but the case where (undefined string) appears is when trying to save the game as spectator (when no company is on the server) 23:32:12 <Roujin> in the save/load window, it appears in the text field 23:32:45 <Rubidium> that will have happened for eons then 23:32:58 <Rubidium> and "savegame" isn't quite a useful name either I reckon 23:33:33 <Roujin> how about "spectator, {DATE}"? 23:34:28 <Roujin> maybe not only if no company exists, but always when spectating? 23:35:13 <Roujin> that's probably cleaner than just taking the name of company #0 23:48:28 *** TrueBrain [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 23:49:34 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:53:53 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.1.163.11] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:55:02 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.1.163.11] has joined #openttd 23:55:14 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Quit: Operator, give me an exit] 23:56:04 <TrueBrain> What can forum users be complete morons ..... reply to topics like they are mental or something .. well .. I expect some really are mental .. but that is besides the point ;) 23:56:27 <qball> lol 23:56:35 *** FR^2 [frr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:56:43 <qball> welcome to the wonderfull world of users 23:57:51 <TrueBrain> like the advise my ISP once gave a friend ... the fastest connection had some authorization problem, so their suggestion was to use their slower connection ......... 23:57:57 <TrueBrain> sure, always good advise ... 23:58:15 <Skyruner2> Luser or in German: DAU 23:58:25 <TrueBrain> like in this case: I suggest not to use OpenTTD .... 23:58:29 <TrueBrain> what is that for an advise?! 23:58:31 <TrueBrain> omg ... 23:58:37 * TrueBrain slaps people on this forum :p 23:59:03 <qball> it is often how they managed to find the internet in the first place 23:59:16 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: you should read the German TT forum and the international forum will look like a peaceful place 23:59:19 *** FR^2 [frr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 23:59:20 <Skyruner2> suggest alt+F4? 23:59:59 <Rubidium> Skyruner2: what use is that?