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00:00:30 *** vraa [~vraa@h168.182.213.151.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 00:03:49 <Wolf01> 'night 00:03:53 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host105-233-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 00:08:34 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:08:37 *** wonea [~wonea@wonea.demon.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:09:40 *** WhiteRhino [White@modem175.tmlp.net] has joined #openttd 00:09:46 <WhiteRhino> Evening, folks. 00:11:40 <TrueBrain> oh no, it is a white rhino 00:13:04 *** roboboy [79d99933@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 00:13:38 *** goodger [~ben@host81-153-85-164.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: +++ Out Of Cheese Error +++] 00:14:07 *** goodger [~ben@host81-153-85-164.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:14:11 <WhiteRhino> What's wrong with a White Rhino? >.> 00:14:41 *** paulstuffins_ [~paulstuff@host86-145-26-37.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:15:18 <TrueBrain> it is big! 00:15:20 <TrueBrain> and ... WHITE! 00:15:46 <WhiteRhino> And awesome. =D 00:19:44 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paulstuff@host86-145-26-37.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:20:17 <WhiteRhino> Though I don't mean to toot my own horn. *rimshot* 00:22:10 <Sacro> spearmint rhino? 00:24:10 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-53f3e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:25:47 *** curosurf [~xcvxcv@wonea.demon.co.uk] has joined #openttd 00:30:17 <WhiteRhino> Don't know if I'm tastey enough to be considered Spearmint. 00:31:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F3D5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:32:59 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C7C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:17 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D98.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:40:28 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: glx * r14843 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ (4 files): [NoAI] -Fix [FS#2480]: AIs didn't respect ai_disable_veh_* settings. Also add a more direct access to these settings for AI writers. 00:43:25 <WhiteRhino> My internet hasn't dumped me yet. Maybe tonight'll be better for playing online. 00:52:46 *** dh2k3 [~Dave@adsl-99-142-8-133.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 00:52:51 <dh2k3> hello 00:53:07 *** roboboy [79d99933@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 00:53:08 <dh2k3> my OTTD froze and I can't kill it 00:53:15 <dh2k3> know any solutions? 00:53:24 *** roboboy [79d99933@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 00:54:16 <WhiteRhino> Ctrl-Alt-Delete? 00:54:35 <dh2k3> nope can't kill the process unless I reboot 00:54:46 <WhiteRhino> That might be your only option then. *shrug* 00:54:55 <dh2k3> Description: 00:54:55 <dh2k3> A problem caused this program to stop interacting with Windows. 00:55:09 <dh2k3> Problem signature: 00:55:10 <dh2k3> Problem Event Name: AppHangB1 00:55:10 <dh2k3> Application Name: openttd.exe 00:55:10 <dh2k3> Application Version: 0.6.3.14430 00:55:19 <dh2k3> Application Timestamp: 48e3b12d 00:55:19 <dh2k3> Hang Signature: 1a6a 00:55:19 <dh2k3> Hang Type: 0 00:55:19 <dh2k3> OS Version: 6.0.6001.2.1.0.768.3 00:55:19 <dh2k3> Locale ID: 1033 00:55:28 <dh2k3> Additional Hang Signature 1: a1f23cf6f6bc2c82e71ae7650c9651b9 00:55:28 <dh2k3> Additional Hang Signature 2: b504 00:55:28 <dh2k3> Additional Hang Signature 3: 899195c9183ed94a12f72dd21e71497c 00:55:28 <dh2k3> Additional Hang Signature 4: 1a6a 00:55:29 <dh2k3> Additional Hang Signature 5: a1f23cf6f6bc2c82e71ae7650c9651b9 00:55:30 <dh2k3> Additional Hang Signature 6: b504 00:55:31 <dh2k3> Additional Hang Signature 7: 899195c9183ed94a12f72dd21e71497c 00:55:36 <dh2k3> Read our privacy statement: 00:55:37 <goodger> dh2k3: pastebin, please 00:55:37 <dh2k3> http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=50163&clcid=0x0409 00:55:51 <dh2k3> pastebin what? 00:56:06 <goodger> pastebin your errors rather than flooding the channel 00:56:22 <dh2k3> that's all the errors it shows 00:56:25 <Yexo> if you have many lines (like above), copy it to pastebin.com and poste thelink here 00:57:23 <dh2k3> http://pastebin.com/m54b1abd1 00:57:45 <goodger> we've already read it now 00:58:20 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paulstuff@host86-145-26-37.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:59:03 <glx> btw it doesn't really tell what's wrong 00:59:26 <dh2k3> k would this help? 00:59:30 <dh2k3> OS: Windows Longhorn XP Home Edition 6.0 Service Pack 1 (Build #6001) CPU: Intel Pentium III, 2.20 GHz Video: HP w17e Wide LCD Monitor on nVidia GeForce 8300 GS (1440x900x32bpp 60Hz) Sound: Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio) Memory: Used: 562/2048MB Uptime: 9h 7m 53s HD: [C:HP] 90.14/456.71 GB [D:FACTORY_IMAGE] 1.25/9.05 GB Connection: Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network Connection @ 100.0 Mbp 00:59:30 <dh2k3> s (Rec: 106.50MB Sent: 43.88MB) 00:59:33 *** paulstuffins_ [~paulstuff@host86-145-26-37.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:59:46 <glx> I already knew it was vista :) 00:59:53 <SmatZ> :) 00:59:54 <dh2k3> heh 00:59:55 <goodger> dh2k3: PASTEBIN 01:00:05 <dh2k3> pastebin comp specs? 01:01:13 <glx> OS Version:,...6.0.6001.2.1.0.768.3 <-- that's vista, xp is 5.1 01:01:48 <dh2k3> http://pastebin.com/m208c6a77 01:02:05 <dh2k3> vista with SP1 01:02:59 <glx> I don't see how openttd could hang by itself (we don't use multithreading) 01:03:15 <dh2k3> well it's hung now 01:03:19 <dh2k3> happens daily 01:03:30 <dh2k3> usually after a few hours it hangs 01:03:30 <SmatZ> how can an app hang in a way it can't be killed? 01:03:39 <dh2k3> it's Vista? 01:03:40 <goodger> SmatZ: shitty kernel design... 01:03:49 <SmatZ> :) 01:03:53 <glx> any newgrf ? 01:04:09 *** roboboy [79d99933@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 01:04:11 <dh2k3> just OTTDCo-ops for multiplayer 01:04:27 <glx> does it happen with a nightly too ? 01:05:02 <dh2k3> nly nightly I have is an ancient build for track sharing and working PBS 01:05:27 <glx> anyway if it was an infinite loop due to a bug, it should still be possible to kill it 01:05:31 <dh2k3> OTTD-win32-r13481M-TiPP 01:05:36 <SmatZ> does it help when you run it in a window? (maximised window instead of fullscreen) 01:05:51 <dh2k3> dunno haven't tried windowed 01:05:55 <SmatZ> maybe vista have problems with 8bpp apps... 01:05:57 <glx> could be a driver bug too yes 01:06:06 <dh2k3> which driver? 01:06:10 <glx> video 01:06:18 <dh2k3> latest from nVidia 01:07:30 <dh2k3> only way for me to kill it is restarting comp then it works again 01:07:53 <SmatZ> maybe it's because SP1 isn't final yet? 01:08:14 <SmatZ> or was it SP2? ... :-x 01:08:18 <dh2k3> Sp2 01:08:22 <dh2k3> Sp1 is final 01:08:25 <glx> googling for "AppHangB1" shows it's a vista problem 01:08:42 <glx> many applications encounter it 01:08:54 <dh2k3> weird thing is that this is the only one I've seen do this 01:09:02 <glx> IE, firefox, adobe cs3 01:09:11 <dh2k3> FF no issues 01:09:22 <dh2k3> don't use adobe (except for reader) 01:09:53 *** roboboy [7248d77a@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 01:10:34 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-5af27ee9.tcl123.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:10:53 <matias> hmm.. i let the time pass and my towns got a negative growth.. why? 01:12:10 *** roboboy [7248d77a@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [] 01:13:11 <WhiteRhino> That reminds me. On my short 64x64 game last night, even though I had food going to the town, the town didn't seem to grow any. In fact, after a year or two gametime, it stopped accepting food. 01:13:57 <matias> hmm.. i'm playing grasslands 01:15:03 <WhiteRhino> I think I was doing sub-arctic at the time.. didn't matter much given that 64x64 didn't give it much room to get to snowy areas. 01:15:41 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paulstuff@host86-145-26-37.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:17:23 *** goodger [~ben@host81-153-85-164.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:18:07 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paulstuff@host86-145-26-37.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:20:43 *** WhiteRhinoPSO [White@modem175.tmlp.net] has joined #openttd 01:20:44 *** WhiteRhino [White@modem175.tmlp.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:20:49 *** WhiteRhinoPSO is now known as WhiteRhino 01:21:53 *** Sacro is now known as SpearmintRhino 01:22:17 <WhiteRhino> Bah. =P 01:22:34 *** goodger [~ben@host81-153-85-164.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:24:19 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.170.14] has joined #openttd 01:25:42 *** WhiteRhinoPSO [White@modem175.tmlp.net] has joined #openttd 01:25:42 *** WhiteRhino [White@modem175.tmlp.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:26:08 *** WhiteRhinoPSO is now known as WhiteRhino 01:26:44 <WhiteRhino> Trying to find mention on the forums of help for ship usage. 01:27:20 <Yexo> WhiteRhino: what do you want to know about ship usage? 01:27:28 *** roboboy [7248817b@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 01:27:53 <WhiteRhino> How to use them without sucking. =P Any of the other three types of transport I've made decent money on, but... ships have never been anything but a moneypit for me. 01:28:16 <dh2k3> so what to do besides restarting to fix it and kill the process? 01:28:24 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paulstuff@host86-145-26-37.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:29:22 <Yexo> I don't use ships often (actually most of the time I only use trains), but when I use them it's mostly to transport oil from oil rigs to refineries 01:30:12 *** roboboy [7248817b@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [] 01:30:14 <WhiteRhino> Yeah, I tried that last night before I couldn't connect to the map I was playing anymore. The canals on the map tended to be so thin that I couldn't bring the Goods deep enough into towns, though. 01:30:47 <goodger> yes, they're fairly useless except for that... 01:31:04 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.186.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:31:30 <Aali> ships are good for moving massive amounts of cargo where you don't have a lot of space 01:31:44 <Aali> since any number of ships can occupy and load/unload on the same tile 01:31:48 <WhiteRhino> The map also asked people not to terraform at all and not to use hovercrafts.. so other than a pair of oil tankers going to each of two offshore rigs, that was it. Didn't really get to see a profit before the map kicked me though. 01:35:09 <goodger> whyever shouldn't you use hovercrafts? 01:36:06 <WhiteRhino> I dunno, the map just asked not to. Maybe using them would cause people to make too much money too quickly. There was also notes asking people to only use two airports max. Didn't stop the other player that eventually joined from adding like ten, though. 01:40:24 *** Yeggzzz [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:41:22 *** dh2k3 [~Dave@adsl-99-142-8-133.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:41:44 <Eddi|zuHause> ships are often disabled on multiplayer, because they can use a high amount of CPU time 01:42:07 <WhiteRhino> Huh. Didn't know that. 01:42:54 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paulstuff@host86-145-26-37.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:43:13 *** roboboy [72488bd2@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 01:46:12 <goodger> ah 01:46:14 *** roboboy [72488bd2@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [] 01:47:48 *** KritiK [~Maxim@websorbs.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:04:14 *** Ctibor [~ctibor@77.48.228.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:15:43 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paulstuff@host86-145-26-37.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:18:31 *** roboboy [7248cda7@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 02:21:18 *** roboboy [7248cda7@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [] 02:22:58 <WhiteRhino> That Roboboy can't make up his mind. =P 02:24:13 *** roboboy [79d99933@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 02:26:00 <goodger> apparently not 02:27:25 *** curosurf [~xcvxcv@wonea.demon.co.uk] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:28:19 *** roboboy [79d99933@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [] 02:32:23 *** roboboy [7248c0ed@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 02:36:57 *** flexd_ [~flexd@127.79-160-12.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:38:20 *** roboboy [7248c0ed@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 02:41:01 <WhiteRhino> Hmm. Dinner or TTD. 02:41:33 <Eddi|zuHause> have a TTDinner 02:41:47 <Eddi|zuHause> Dinner for TT 02:41:53 <Eddi|zuHause> same procedure as last year 02:42:46 <WhiteRhino> Ooh. Traffic Set V3.0 02:46:24 <SpearmintRhino> ooh another Rhino 02:47:29 *** WhiteRhinoPSO [White@modem175.tmlp.net] has joined #openttd 02:47:48 *** WhiteRhino [White@modem175.tmlp.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:47:53 <WhiteRhinoPSO> And another Rhino still-... dang. 02:47:56 *** WhiteRhinoPSO is now known as WhiteRhino 02:52:02 *** WhiteRhinoPSO [White@modem169.tmlp.net] has joined #openttd 02:52:22 *** curosurf [~xcvxcv@wonea.demon.co.uk] has joined #openttd 02:52:41 *** WhiteRhino [White@modem175.tmlp.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:52:45 *** WhiteRhinoPSO is now known as WhiteRhino 02:53:39 *** roboboy [72488c9b@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 02:56:22 *** roboboy [72488c9b@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [] 03:08:14 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.1.163.11] has quit [Quit: http://www.chogie.eu] 03:11:43 *** roboboy [724ac6f0@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 03:14:24 *** roboboy [724ac6f0@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [] 03:22:06 *** curosurf [~xcvxcv@wonea.demon.co.uk] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 04:01:26 *** Zorni [zorn@e177239230.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 04:08:48 *** Zorn [zorn@e177115200.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:10:09 *** vraa [~vraa@h168.182.213.151.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 04:16:32 <WhiteRhino> Awful quiet in here lately. 04:17:29 <Eddi|zuHause> happens, when it's 5AM 04:17:38 <WhiteRhino> 11:14pm. ;) 04:18:18 <Eddi|zuHause> only for a very small minority of people in here :p 04:21:30 *** vraa [~vraa@h168.182.213.151.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 04:21:41 <WhiteRhino> Now I haven't played in awhile, but k seems high for a single water tanker traincar. 04:22:56 <goodger> WhiteRhino: inflation is simulated more or less accurately... 04:23:31 <Eddi|zuHause> WhiteRhino: newgrfs? 04:24:00 <WhiteRhino> The only one I have is the one that changes Toyland to Mars. 04:37:00 *** roboboy [79d99933@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 04:37:37 *** HttpErrors [~osiris201@219-90-185-216.ip.adam.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:38:37 *** vraa [~vraa@h168.182.213.151.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 04:39:02 *** vraa [~vraa@h168.182.213.151.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 04:39:51 <WhiteRhino> Network disconnected me. Just as well given how quickly I rode the company I'd just started into the ground. 04:42:22 <goodger> WhiteRhino: you're wasting your time on openttd, you could be being paid £60kpa to ride companies into the ground 04:42:51 <goodger> *real companies 04:44:12 <goodger> incidentally, WhiteRhino, your clock is three minutes slow 04:49:06 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:51:30 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:52:41 *** roboboy [79d99933@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 04:53:30 <WhiteRhino> First of all, bah. =P Second of all.. you're right. My PC clock is three minutes slower than the atomic one on the wall. o.O 04:53:58 *** roboboy [~7248dcd8@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 04:56:42 *** roboboy [~7248dcd8@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [] 04:57:04 *** roboboy [72488a20@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 05:00:25 <goodger> I wasn't aware caesium fountain clocks were wall-mountable 05:00:44 <HttpErrors> use ducktape. 05:00:49 <HttpErrors> always works. 05:01:20 <goodger> HttpErrors: in that case I'd be more concerned about the ability of the paint to stick to the plaster, and the plaster to stick to the wall 05:01:43 <HttpErrors> what if the wall was made out of nokias? 05:02:15 <goodger> then I daresay they'd have difficulty sticking to each other as well 05:02:53 <goodger> in which case WhiteRhino would end up with a caesium fountain clock, interior emulsion, wall plaster and a large pile of mobile phones on his floor 05:03:07 <WhiteRhino> What makes you think I don't now? =) 05:03:45 <goodger> WhiteRhino: I think it's quite unlikely 05:05:27 <HttpErrors> lol 05:06:40 *** roboboy [72488a20@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 05:07:02 *** roboboy [7248de7a@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 05:13:52 <WhiteRhino> Ahh, that feels better. Starting a company that's actually going places. 05:14:43 <WhiteRhino> ANd then forgetting that Steel has to go to somewhere before it becomes Goods and wasting money on a whole line. Balls. 05:24:21 <goodger> :P 05:26:30 <goodger> ah, new xkcd. excellent 05:31:37 *** WhiteRhino [White@modem169.tmlp.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:31:54 *** WhiteRhino [White@modem169.tmlp.net] has joined #openttd 05:33:17 <WhiteRhino> Gah! That one wood train always breaks down right in the middle of my big intersection! 05:33:32 <goodger> WhiteRhino: design your intersections better... 05:34:04 <goodger> if the intersection is appropriately designed and the trains are the right length, then one of them should be able to break down in the middle and still allow through traffic from the other direction 05:34:08 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::42] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:34:16 <WhiteRhino> It 05:34:17 <WhiteRhino> It 05:34:20 <WhiteRhino> ...Stupid fingers. 05:34:24 <goodger> ¬.¬ 05:35:05 <WhiteRhino> *cough* It's more where one dual line branches off into another dual-line. It's a T-intersection formed by two dual-lines and one single-line. The single is where the wood train is supposed to go. 05:35:53 <goodger> right 05:40:19 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::42] has joined #openttd 06:07:19 *** roboboy [7248de7a@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 06:07:52 *** roboboy [7248de7a@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 06:32:50 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.170.14] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:32:55 *** roboboy [7248de7a@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 06:33:48 <WhiteRhino> 14 trains, all but two of them going to a 4-wide, 4-long station from both ends. 06:34:44 <goodger> huzzah! 06:43:49 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5D51C.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 06:46:13 <WhiteRhino> God.. traffic jams. 06:46:28 <goodger> yes. 06:46:37 <goodger> suggest you enlarge the station just a tiny bit? 06:47:13 <WhiteRhino> I can't. It's the size it is because on one side is a steel mill and the other is a sawmill. 06:47:39 <goodger> ...ah 06:48:01 <goodger> try moving it along a few squares so that it is not between both of those 06:54:10 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5D51C.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 06:58:50 <WhiteRhino> That cost me... about 0k. 06:59:32 <goodger> but now you can make profit because your trains will be able to reach their station 06:59:51 <goodger> and I think you have been a bit clumsy if you've spent 0k moving a station 07:00:03 <WhiteRhino> See, there was a lake behind it... 07:00:12 <goodger> *headdesk* 07:00:28 <goodger> did you not think to move it in the other direction? 07:00:28 <WhiteRhino> Small lake.. but in order to put the station somewhere where I could expand it out to six wide, I had to kind of remove said lake. 07:00:39 <WhiteRhino> Other direction had hills. x.x 07:00:53 <goodger> I think hills are more cheaply removed... 07:01:07 <goodger> I wasn't aware TTD generated closed lakes 07:01:43 <WhiteRhino> This one did. =P 07:01:51 <goodger> very well 07:02:03 <goodger> enjoy your shiny new megahub 07:02:07 <goodger> hmm, 7am 07:02:18 <goodger> I probably should have gone to bed about eight hours ago 07:02:44 <WhiteRhino> Thanks. =P 07:02:46 <goodger> I hope this sleep disorder goes away before I go to university 07:05:04 <WhiteRhino> So, that's why I've been losing money. Took me long enough to build the new station that it changed names. Everybody's been running around with (Invalid Orders). 07:05:24 <goodger> ha 07:05:24 <goodger> :P 07:06:38 <goodger> honey nut cornflakes are the best foodstuff ever devised, I say 07:08:18 <goodger> gah, my cat's got hold of that cheque again 07:08:34 <WhiteRhino> Yeargh. Now they're back to jamming at the little intersection. 07:08:42 <goodger> heh 07:08:51 * goodger retrieves cheque 07:11:24 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::42] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:17:31 *** De_Ghosty [~s@206-248-162-216.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:17:34 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::42] has joined #openttd 07:19:03 <WhiteRhino> argh! 07:19:10 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-66-180-201-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 07:19:21 *** LordNokon [~hanneslou@196-209-18-72-nngy-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:19:40 *** De_Ghosty [~s@206-248-162-216.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 07:19:48 *** LordNokon [~hanneslou@196-209-18-72-nngy-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 07:20:22 <goodger> WhiteRhino: yarr! 07:20:39 <WhiteRhino> Crashed trains 'cus I tried to fix a small traffic jam. 07:22:07 <goodger> heh 07:22:09 <goodger> typical 07:22:21 <WhiteRhino> Curse you, ignore signal button. 07:22:56 <goodger> :P 07:23:17 <goodger> o'reilly are taking the piss 07:23:21 <petern> staying up on IRC doesn't really help with sleep disorders 07:23:34 <goodger> .99 for a 137-page book 07:24:01 <goodger> petern: I know, but I have to be up at 9am, and there's no way I'll achieve that if I go to bed at 4am 07:24:02 <petern> also 07:24:07 <petern> it snowed 07:24:18 <goodger> maybe where you are 07:24:32 <petern> yes, obviously where i am :) 07:25:07 <goodger> the exterior of my house remains devoid of snow and indeed closu 07:25:08 <goodger> *cloud 07:26:34 <goodger> this book isn't even printed on decent paper 07:27:36 <petern> and presumably wasn't made by the foliosociety 07:28:07 <goodger> no, it was printed in the USA 07:28:23 <goodger> and it really is _appallingly_ overpriced 07:28:37 <goodger> you'd expect more than 140 pages for £25 07:35:10 <WhiteRhino> I just placed my first Presignals. >.> 07:35:38 <goodger> you weren't using them before? that explains the jams :S 07:36:04 <WhiteRhino> Yeah. >.> 07:37:42 <WhiteRhino> So I'd use those on any major intersections too, right? 07:37:47 <dihedral> morning 07:37:54 <goodger> WhiteRhino: depends... 07:37:57 <goodger> morning, dihedral 07:38:08 <WhiteRhino> Like, don't enter the intersection if there's no exit from it? 07:38:16 * goodger wonders if any inhabitants of this channel have jobs 07:38:19 <goodger> WhiteRhino: yeah 07:38:25 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 07:38:43 <dihedral> ? a few here do! 07:39:15 <goodger> they surprise me by being here at twenty to nine on a weekday morning, is all 07:40:12 <dihedral> ? 07:40:16 <goodger> I'm not aware of the age structure of most of them, so I can only presume they're of employment age 07:40:19 <dihedral> you start early, you get home early 07:40:21 <dihedral> at least i do 07:40:35 <goodger> dihedral: you're at work _now_? 07:40:39 <dihedral> yep 07:40:48 <dihedral> i have been since 0800 07:40:55 <goodger> this begs the question: why are you not working? :S 07:40:59 <dihedral> or 0755 to be precise 07:41:04 <dihedral> i am :-) 07:41:17 <goodger> you are employed to use IRC? 07:41:21 <goodger> can I have that job? 07:41:26 <dihedral> hehe 07:41:34 <dihedral> it's an awesome job 07:42:17 <goodger> oh? 07:43:04 <WhiteRhino> Okay, there we go. After all the money spent and trains rebuilt and signals finally fiddled with.. now I'm making some serious jink. 07:43:10 <goodger> hurrah 07:43:27 <goodger> and you have introduced me to a new synonym for money. congratulations 07:43:32 <WhiteRhino> While looking over my list of trains it went from k to 0k moneys. 07:43:42 <WhiteRhino> Hehe, I got it from Planescape: Torment. 07:43:49 <goodger> goodo 07:44:04 <WhiteRhino> Or you could call it Kopens, from Groo the Wanderer. =P 07:44:17 <goodger> yes, let's not go overboard 07:44:34 <goodger> dihedral: are you a BOFH? 07:49:03 <dihedral> no, goodger, i am no colleague of yours 07:49:39 <goodger> what other job allows you to spend time on IRC? :S 07:50:00 <goodger> and I'm not a BOFH, I own a publishing company (which does allow me to spend time on IRC) 07:50:47 <dihedral> lazy skunk! 07:51:05 <goodger> oh, yes, you wouldn't believe 07:51:54 <petern> cool 07:52:00 <goodger> I'm so lazy, I developed a business model that involves no actual books being touched at any time by me or my partner 07:52:10 <petern> what sort of work do you publish? 07:53:14 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-66-180-201-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:54:55 <petern> "Scientists dismiess 'detox myth'" 07:54:56 <petern> haha :D 07:55:00 <petern> -e 07:55:12 <goodger> we will publish anything that will sell. to get our foot between the door and the frame, we are presently focusing on open-source project manuals (and have our first title being published later today, as it happens) --- once we've built up a portfolio of a few of those, which are great --- the mutual collaboration between us and the Scribus people for mutual benefit has been fantastic 07:55:33 <goodger> --- we will diversify 07:55:54 <dihedral> i thought you were just in the start phase 07:56:20 <goodger> we are. we're publishing our first title this afternoon 07:56:38 <goodger> the preorders have been relatively healthy throughout December, though 07:56:39 <dihedral> well - the best of british luck for that 07:56:47 <goodger> thank you 07:57:30 <WhiteRhino> Locks and canals are really expensive. 07:58:01 <goodger> WhiteRhino: yes, they are. this seems to be the developers punishing you for using them 07:59:46 <petern> yeah, everyone knows there are no canals 08:00:03 <petern> well 08:00:11 <petern> actually canals *were* really expensive 08:00:29 <WhiteRhino> I will become successful with ships. This, I command! 08:00:31 <petern> but then, so is track laying 08:00:37 <petern> and road building, no doubt 08:00:44 <goodger> yeah, but the profits that the real canals made were impossibly huge compared to the ones that can be achieved with OTTD 08:01:10 <petern> well they didn't have roads and rails for competition :) 08:01:48 <goodger> track is relatively easy to lay. dig a shallow trench, fill it with lumps of rock, drop a bit of wood on, bolt a ten-foot piece of metal to it, and clip the pieces of metal together 08:02:27 <goodger> unlike canals, which were really complex, or roads, which are really big 08:04:50 * goodger feels like his lungs have had an argument with his throat and are trying to eject the throat 08:05:40 <dihedral> rather ejecting the throat than the lungs... 08:06:14 <goodger> they're both rather important 08:06:26 <goodger> the throat is the one that actually hurts, though :P 08:06:31 <dihedral> yes - but lungs look nasty and they take longer to shove back in 08:07:12 <goodger> true. true 08:10:54 <goodger> the US version of The Office is intriguingly similar to the UK version 08:10:57 <goodger> they appear to have used the same script, but changed the words slightly 08:11:08 <goodger> they also seem to have cast actors who look the same as the British ones 08:15:58 *** elmex [~elmex@e180069098.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:16:48 <dihedral> guess what 08:16:53 <dihedral> same for the german version! 08:17:07 <goodger> :) 08:17:17 <dihedral> and they went for the characters stupidity rather than looks here :-P 08:18:29 <goodger> hm 08:21:10 <goodger> I'm not sure what the point is 08:21:27 <dihedral> they have a german show rather than just dubbing it? 08:21:37 <goodger> if they were going to use the same scripts with the same characters, and actors who looked the same, why not just export directly to the US and dub for germany & france? 08:21:47 <goodger> yes, precisely 08:21:49 <dihedral> higher employment rate 08:21:52 <dihedral> :-P 08:22:05 <dihedral> at the cost of no extra script writer 08:22:07 <dihedral> + money 08:22:15 <dihedral> quick 'n easy 08:22:37 <goodger> hmm 08:25:21 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:27:06 <goodger> I am also concerned that the Americans have removed the good jokes 08:31:47 *** enra [~enra@203-59-13-201.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:32:43 <enra> yay - got my new laptop - now i need to get all my ottd downloads again :( 08:34:22 <goodger> :) 08:35:33 <dihedral> enra, why not copy from your old laptop 08:36:23 <enra> it got fried and rotted the h/d - nothing there to copy anymore :( 08:36:28 <goodger> :S 08:36:36 <enra> but at least i'll have the latest ottd release now lol 08:36:54 <goodger> petern: a chance of further snow today 08:37:23 <enra> oh noes - i forgot i need the graphics files! 08:37:32 <petern> it's snowing a tiny bit still 08:37:45 <goodger> no snow here, but we might get some later on 08:37:49 <goodger> what's your postcode? 08:38:22 <petern> hp19 8te 08:38:50 <goodger> ah 08:39:39 <goodger> not too far from where I was born... 08:40:31 <goodger> and almost exactly 100 miles north of where I am now. no snow for me ATM 08:47:25 *** JdGordon [~jonno@123-243-140-31.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:49:03 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.55] has joined #openttd 08:49:34 <JdGordon> hey, whats the best way to build tracks where you have 3 or 4 tracks heading in the same direction but need to be able to let trains from any of those tracks head off to another line? (like http://imagebin.ca/view/93hNYv.html ) 08:51:36 <JdGordon> trains are apparently not very cooperative so those X's mean trains will sometimes cross to another track blocking others instead of going straight ahead 08:52:32 <goodger> try removing some signals so that the trains do not pass through more than one signal at a time 08:52:40 <goodger> that usually helps when fixing blockages 08:53:03 <goodger> e.g. if your train is 7 tiles long, place the signal 8 tiles apart 08:54:46 <dihedral> JdGordon, have a look at www.openttdcoop.org, specifically the junctions, public server archive games, and SML 08:55:34 <WhiteRhino> Man, it's 4am already. 08:56:18 <goodger> WhiteRhino: 9am here... :P 08:56:47 <WhiteRhino> Showoff. ;) 08:57:10 <JdGordon> goodger: removing signals after the junction doesnt seem to have helped.. but that could be because that section is badly done 08:57:15 <JdGordon> dihedral: thanks.. ill have a look 08:58:13 <goodger> hmm 09:00:48 <WhiteRhino> Whew, my boats are making a profit. 09:01:12 <goodger> you could put a type 3 presignal immediately after each exit from the X structure and then a type 2 presignal 8 tiles later, so that the trains can guarantee they will always be able to clear the structure 09:04:39 <petern> i return 09:04:48 <petern> for i am now at the lovely place called... the office 09:05:00 <goodger> huzzah 09:05:02 *** WhiteRhino [White@modem169.tmlp.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:05:09 *** WhiteRhino [White@modem169.tmlp.net] has joined #openttd 09:05:16 <petern> 100 miles north? you're on the isle of wight? 09:05:56 <goodger> no, southeast cornwall 09:07:41 <petern> oh right, not directly north :) 09:08:03 <petern> it's snowing a bit more now 09:08:15 <petern> typical that it snows on the fast day of work, heh 09:08:25 <goodger> and 100 miles directly south of you is 20 miles south of Wight 09:08:31 <goodger> heh 09:08:39 <petern> i did wonder 09:08:40 <goodger> it's always gloriously sunny on school says 09:08:44 <goodger> *days 09:08:54 <petern> er, s/fast/first/ 09:09:01 <goodger> yes 09:09:41 <petern> it's about 90-100 miles to my parents near portsmouth, but that involves 15-20 miles west/east at both ends 09:10:58 <goodger> *nod* 09:11:18 * petern mumbles about london-centric transport routes 09:11:31 <petern> it's worse on the train of course 09:12:15 <goodger> you're a good 250 miles to my town... 09:12:31 <goodger> and good luck getting the train. I think there's one train per day from london that stops here 09:13:23 <goodger> muttering about london-centric transport routes is deserved 09:16:07 <goodger> going to canterbury from here involves going to london, even by car (!) 09:16:11 <goodger> sodding M25 09:16:33 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:19:00 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 09:24:08 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::42] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:28:02 *** curosurf [~xcvxcv@wonea.demon.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:28:18 <petern> yeah 09:28:22 <petern> they should continue the M27 09:30:17 <WhiteRhino> Gah. I just accidentally dropped two and a half mil on a -tunnel-. 09:31:27 <goodger> WhiteRhino: better than an automotive industry bailout 09:31:40 <JdGordon> hmm... fixing those X's with tunnels on the 2 inner tracks seems to work better 09:32:09 <WhiteRhino> Oh! Snap. 09:32:46 <petern> maybe the A303 could be made a motorway 09:32:57 <petern> although that ends up going to london anyway 09:33:45 <goodger> petern: extending the M3 to exeter would be welcome, but would crush quite a lot of pretty countryside 09:34:55 <petern> but the M3 has its lovely twyford down cutting 09:34:56 <petern> *grumbles* 09:34:57 <WhiteRhino> Awesomely, the only train not making any money anymore is the one that's just transferring goods from one station to another as opposed to unloading them. THings seem to be working now. 09:35:04 <petern> should've built a tunnel 09:35:21 <WhiteRhino> Be careful with tunnels. =P 09:35:58 <JdGordon> are you guys playing with AI and breakdowns enabled? 09:35:59 <goodger> petern: taking the M5 to bristol and transferring to the M4 is only 20 minutes longer than the A303 without congestion anyway, and the A303 is usually very congested 09:37:01 *** curosurf [~xcvxcv@wonea.demon.co.uk] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 09:37:02 <petern> yeah 09:37:22 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.55] has joined #openttd 09:37:47 <goodger> but I suspect extending the M3 to exeter would cut the journey time quite a lot 09:38:05 <goodger> of course, a bridge connecting exeter and canterbury would be best. 09:38:24 <dihedral> JdGordon, people here play differently! 09:38:38 <JdGordon> obviously... 09:38:42 <dihedral> everybody has a certain style of playing, some play with breakdowns, some don't 09:39:10 <dihedral> you can even find people in the forums who like playing with the ai 09:39:12 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::42] has joined #openttd 09:39:18 <petern> the M3 is already further east than it should be 09:39:18 <dihedral> you find a better ai in the noai branch 09:39:25 <petern> you need an M3x, heh 09:41:50 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8059C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:43:34 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81B4D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:43:37 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 09:44:09 <WhiteRhino> 0k per year with each of my two planes. =D 09:44:33 <goodger> planes == cheating... too easy to make colossal profits without bothering 09:44:51 <WhiteRhino> I tosssed in a couple airports mostly so I could have money coming in on all four fronts. 09:46:40 <WhiteRhino> Right now have a 528 rating. 09:48:15 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 09:48:15 <goodger> a what? 09:49:45 <WhiteRhino> Detailed Performance Rating. 09:49:51 <WhiteRhino> Under the trophy button. 09:53:22 <WhiteRhino> What year is Monorail? 09:53:43 <goodger> monorail has evaporated, it seems, in recent years, in favour of electric rail 09:53:48 <goodger> maglev appears c. 2010 09:54:05 <WhiteRhino> 1972 right now, started in 1950. 09:54:12 <JdGordon> monorail is 1999 09:55:06 <goodger> that's too late IMO 09:55:19 <goodger> the simpsons features a monorail in 1992 09:55:37 <JdGordon> yeah, also its annoying changing over to maglev so shortly after 09:55:45 <LordNokon> good day everyone 09:55:59 <WhiteRhino> Do you guys tend to switch everything to the latest innovation or only specific lines? 09:56:00 <LordNokon> how do i edit a save game, to add more factories and industries 09:56:06 <goodger> it's not necessary to switch to maglev immediately 09:56:09 <petern> monorail in ottd is pointless 09:56:19 <JdGordon> its nice for the speedup 09:56:20 <goodger> WhiteRhino: I personally use the date-change cheat to keep it in 2008 09:56:40 <WhiteRhino> I know not of this cheat. 09:56:55 <goodger> hit ctrl-alt-c 09:57:44 <WhiteRhino> Well, dang. Ooh.. now that I've saved, wonder what would happen if I switched climate. 09:58:49 <LordNokon> ?? 09:58:54 <goodger> it won't thank you for it, but it won't crash 09:59:33 <goodger> LordNokon: you can pretty much only edit the savegames by playing the game. there are facilities available in-game to build new industries 09:59:38 <WhiteRhino> My singular lines seem to work well, but I doubt that the iron ore -> steel -> goods deal will work right. 10:00:18 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:00:27 <WhiteRhino> Okay, I'm done screwing around. =P Bedtime for me. G'night everybody. 10:00:33 <goodger> night 10:00:45 <Rubidium> morning ;) 10:00:50 <goodger> ...yeah 10:00:59 <petern> oops, just scared the boss a little 10:01:03 <WhiteRhino> Bah. It's night for me 'cus I'm waking up at noon. 10:02:24 <WhiteRhino> Before I go, though, I say Monorail should hit around 1990. That's decently far away from both Electric and Maglev, and if the Simpsons built one in 1992 and the monorail guy had built similar systems in three other towns, then we could safely assume he visited them around 1990 given the time taken to build said monorails. 10:02:28 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 10:02:53 <WhiteRhino> Plus it'd give monorail more a reason to be used if it's a longer wait between it and maglev. *shrug* My two cents. 10:03:11 <JdGordon> maglev shuold be further out also... 10:03:30 <goodger> JdGordon: not necessarily. maglevs were in use c. 2005 10:03:43 <WhiteRhino> Maybe 2015 or 2020. Further on but not so far that games ending in 2050 will think it's not worthwihle. 10:04:10 <JdGordon> goodger: only on test tracks... 10:04:18 <JdGordon> and theme parks 10:04:50 <WhiteRhino> 20-30 years between would be good for me. Then again.. *cough* I've never played a map long enough to see maglev before. 10:05:43 <goodger> nah, it was running on an airport in china 10:05:45 <goodger> WhiteRhino: the game (without newgrfs) effectively ends in 1995 because this is as far into the future as MPS could be bothered to imagine 10:05:45 <goodger> with newgrfs it lasts until 2015 because this is as far into the future as newgrf authors could be bothered to imagine 10:06:09 <LordNokon> goodger - so i cant add more coals mines etc etc by editing my save game 10:06:23 <WhiteRhino> Not necessarily. Once you get to 2050 or so you could always start a new map in Toyland using the Mars graphics. >.> 10:06:32 <goodger> LordNokon: nope 10:07:02 <WhiteRhino> Then just play like it's going from 2050 to 3050 or something. 10:07:27 <goodger> unfortunately the trains only have set lifespans 10:07:42 <goodger> so you will eventually be unable to buy any more trains because the designs have expired 10:08:05 <WhiteRhino> Really? So the game can't like... continue forever unless you reverse the year? 10:08:05 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.55] has joined #openttd 10:08:11 <petern> there's no second hand market 10:08:26 <petern> the last lot of engines will last forever 10:09:08 <goodger> WhiteRhino: in fact, reversing the year doesn't reintroduce expired vehicles 10:09:37 <petern> reverse the year then resetengines :D 10:10:10 <WhiteRhino> How do you reset engines? >.> And if you reverse until 1950 or something, won't engines be reintroduced in whatever year they'd come out? 10:12:49 <WhiteRhino> Anyway, bed is calling me. >.< I'll be back tomorrow. Seeya. 10:12:58 *** WhiteRhino [White@modem169.tmlp.net] has quit [] 10:15:45 <LordNokon> goodger there is way, found it 10:16:07 <LordNokon> rename your save game to the .src file edit what you want to do and rename it to .sav 10:16:46 <goodger> ah 10:16:47 <goodger> well done 10:17:49 <LordNokon> thanks 10:21:24 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-514c191a.l1.c5.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:23:59 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn12-192.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:30:05 *** roboboy [724a8760@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:30:07 *** mortal` [~mortal@217.60.138.55] has joined #openttd 10:30:11 *** roboboy [724a8760@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [] 10:30:51 *** roboboy [724a8760@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:33:02 *** roboboy [724a8760@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [] 10:34:34 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:41:13 *** mortal` [~mortal@217.60.138.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:44:30 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81B4D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:46:54 *** ecke [~ecke@xbl.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:47:00 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81695.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:47:03 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:48:18 *** roboboy [724a9ad9@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:54:29 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E34B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:06:25 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.55] has joined #openttd 11:08:22 <LordNokon> when building tunnels no traffic ligths can be placed inside the tunnels correct or not?? 11:08:39 <qball> no you cannot place signals inside the tunnel 11:08:42 <enra> correct 11:08:46 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host105-233-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 11:10:00 <Wolf01> hello 11:10:28 <goodger> hello Wolf01 11:11:18 <enra> hi 11:15:55 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad9f87a.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:16:18 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad9f844.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 11:17:49 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.1.163.11] has joined #openttd 11:18:07 *** Ctibor [~ctibor@77.48.228.43] has joined #openttd 11:19:30 *** mortal` [~mortal@217.60.138.55] has joined #openttd 11:21:01 *** mortal`` [~mortal@217.60.138.55] has joined #openttd 11:21:11 *** mortal`` [~mortal@217.60.138.55] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:25:59 *** dvo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 11:27:06 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:28:33 *** mortal` [~mortal@217.60.138.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:31:13 *** darks [~darks@124.161.79.154] has joined #openttd 11:40:24 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:43:00 <TrueBrain> lalalala 11:43:23 <Wolf01> dum de-dum 11:44:23 <goodger> tumptitum 11:44:43 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm163.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 11:49:26 *** roboboy [724a9ad9@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 11:59:22 <petern> pomtepom 12:01:11 <edeca> Ooh, musical 12:03:21 *** mucht_work [~Martin@143.50.125.24] has joined #openttd 12:10:18 <Wolf01> somebody should make a score for openttd, we already have 4 songs, and Belugas could play the music with the guitar! 12:10:21 * Wolf01 hides 12:12:13 <petern> that's not four songs 12:12:19 <petern> that's a single phrase from a song 12:13:20 <petern> stupid idea... record the ttd songs as sung by people 12:22:37 <edeca> Does anybody here listen to the music? 12:23:15 <TrueBrain> I always do ... 12:23:40 <edeca> Crazy ;) 12:25:45 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.1.163.11] has quit [Quit: http://www.chogie.eu] 12:25:52 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14844 /extra/strgen/findversion.sh: [strgen] -Change: make findversion.sh only look at the important files for recompiling strgen. 12:25:53 <blathijs> Playing openttd without the original music feels wrong :-) 12:26:15 <TrueBrain> hi blathijs :) 12:26:41 <blathijs> hey TrueBrain 12:27:20 <TrueBrain> how are you my friend? 12:29:22 <blathijs> Busy, as always :-) 12:29:36 <TrueBrain> no suprise there ;) 12:29:58 <blathijs> Spent some part of my christmas break hacking on backupninja, a backup tool that is pretty useful, but not quite perfect yet :-) 12:30:15 <TrueBrain> and succeeded? 12:31:09 <blathijs> still ongoing :-) 12:31:23 <blathijs> But I managed to stir some life in the mailing list, so that's good 12:32:10 <TrueBrain> hehe :) 12:32:30 <edeca> Bah, why did saveload stuff get split out into a different directory ;) 12:32:41 <TrueBrain> why not? 12:32:45 <TrueBrain> should have been done years ago 12:33:03 <edeca> Yeah, but I just modified the copypaste patch last night to remove all the saveload stuff from saveload.cpp :P 12:33:06 <dihedral> probably because it breaks some patches :-P 12:33:09 <dihedral> hehe 12:33:25 <edeca> At least I *removed* it though 12:37:50 * petern ponders resyncing railtypes 12:38:01 <TrueBrain> go for it ;) 12:38:25 <petern> actually i could just tidy it up and then commit 12:39:08 * TrueBrain ponders cleaning up his NoAI patches and commit them 12:39:20 <TrueBrain> they are created around NAIL, but not really depending on that fact .. 12:39:25 <petern> well 12:39:29 <petern> Rubidium mentioned branching 0.7 12:40:09 <petern> but i don't know how soon he had in mind 12:40:21 <TrueBrain> I want NoAI to be trunk-tested for at least 1 month, so it won't be in 0.7 anyway :) 12:40:22 <petern> there should be a bug-fix-freeze before that though 12:40:45 <TrueBrain> it is more something to trunk-commit just after a branch ;) 12:40:55 *** dvo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:41:36 <petern> heh, no conflicts 12:41:41 <petern> cargodest'll be different... 12:41:49 <TrueBrain> then your patch is not complicated enough ;) 12:41:53 <petern> it's not! 12:42:02 <petern> it has no savegame changes, incredibly 12:42:19 <petern> it might need a bump just to prevent incompatibleness 12:42:43 <petern> maybe it needs yet another patch option, hah 12:46:12 <Yexo> petern: what is the current status of railtypes anyway? 12:46:22 <edeca> What are railtypes? :\ 12:46:31 <petern> types of rail 12:46:53 <Yexo> edeca: it's a branch allowing newgrfs to create more than the default 4 rail types 12:46:54 <petern> Yexo, working but not tidied up or benchmarked 12:47:14 <petern> and someone had a request to allow removal of the existing types 12:47:19 <edeca> Yexo: Ah I get it 12:47:26 <petern> though i can't remember who 12:47:35 <petern> or if it's sensible 12:47:40 *** Wolfolo|AWAY [~wolf01@host134-160-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 12:47:40 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest120 12:47:40 *** Wolfolo|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 12:47:44 <Yexo> why would the existing types be removed? 12:47:51 <petern> i don't know really 12:48:13 <Yexo> they could just be hidden if there are no vehicles for them 12:48:18 <petern> they would be 12:48:58 <petern> should i try syncing cargodest? hehe 12:52:46 *** Wolfolo|AWAY [~wolf01@host103-157-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 12:52:46 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest121 12:52:46 *** Wolfolo|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 12:52:51 <Wolf01> WTF! 12:52:53 *** Guest120 [~wolf01@host105-233-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:53:15 <Wolf01> stupid server, stop disconnecting me... I'm not a train 12:53:23 <TrueBrain> lol :) 12:53:33 <petern> !disconnecting wolf01 12:53:37 <Wolf01> shhhhh 12:56:34 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest125 12:56:34 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host112-232-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 12:56:48 <Wolf01> gah... dsl problems... not again :( 12:56:53 <TrueBrain> he collects Guests ;) 12:57:25 <Wolf01> maybe it's because I'm connected for a month with the same ip address? 12:57:41 *** Guest121 [~wolf01@host134-160-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:57:55 <TrueBrain> you no longer are :) 13:00:38 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad9f844.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:00:45 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad9f844.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 13:01:22 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:01:25 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:01:50 *** Guest125 [~wolf01@host103-157-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:08:56 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.55] has joined #openttd 13:09:02 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.1.163.11] has joined #openttd 13:16:49 *** evandar [~evandar@62.168.10.158] has joined #openttd 13:29:29 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:36:19 *** evandar [~evandar@62.168.10.158] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:37:05 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14845 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ (22 files): [NoAI] -Codechange: make 'char *' as return type a const 13:46:00 *** thingwath [~thingwath@88.83.164.57] has quit [Quit: It's all over.] 13:47:27 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm163.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:55:40 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:56:27 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 14:06:49 <Belugas> OpenTTD song on distorsion... would sound strange... 14:08:37 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-138-20.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 14:10:46 <TrueBrain> you think? :p 14:11:21 <goodger> I think some of the original songs would be quite good if arranged for decent instruments 14:11:31 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@192.87.217.56] has joined #openttd 14:12:29 <lobster_MB> latest OS X UB nightly crashes whenever i try to access the advanced settings screen 14:12:36 <lobster_MB> should i report this or what? 14:12:49 <goodger> probably a good idea 14:13:13 <TrueBrain> and in some way you just did ;) 14:13:25 <goodger> yeah.. 14:13:34 <Yexo> lobster_MB: that is fixed in 14839 most likely 14:13:56 <lobster_MB> aye - thanks Yexo 14:14:36 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@192.87.217.56] has left #openttd [COCKBUSTER GO... GOING!] 14:19:24 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad9f844.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:19:58 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad9f844.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 14:28:15 <matias> who has tought AI to make roads and rails? 14:28:27 <matias> it's just horrible 14:28:30 <bleepy> a chimp 14:28:44 <matias> a lot of terraforming and still roads are going zig zag 14:29:17 <edeca> Haha, us Brits will resist STR_EURO_INTRODUCE :) 14:29:57 <bleepy> europeans? where? 14:29:58 * bleepy loas rifle 14:30:03 <edeca> bleepy: On your lawn. 14:30:05 *** evandar [~evandar@213.168.176.142] has joined #openttd 14:30:13 <bleepy> marvellous, close range target practice! 14:30:37 <edeca> bleepy: No headshots though, make it slow 14:31:55 <Yexo> matias: the AI is still the same as the original TTD AI 14:32:05 <Yexo> download NoAI if you want a decent AI 14:32:20 <bleepy> :/ 14:36:01 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:36:11 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 14:40:09 <goodger> edeca: gordon brown's criterion for joining the eurozone is that GBP must be worth >1 EUR 14:40:20 <goodger> at this rate, we will be printing our first euro banknotes next week 14:40:31 *** De_Ghosty [~s@206-248-162-216.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:40:39 <goodger> 1 EUR must be worth >1 GBP, rather 14:40:47 <LordNokon> i take it there's no way to copy a station layout and past it on anohter part of the map withou recreating the hole thing?? 14:41:00 <Yexo> not unless you play with the copy-paste patch 14:41:16 <LordNokon> which is what version 14:41:26 <Yexo> no idea, take a look at the forums 14:47:18 <Aali> you shouldn't use copy-paste though 14:48:11 <Aali> just build another station layout 14:48:17 <Aali> don't spoil the fun 14:49:43 <Belugas> yeah 14:49:53 <Belugas> lazyness... 14:50:53 <LordNokon> having to build a 1000 station the same way take a very very long time 14:51:20 <edeca> LordNokon: It's trunk :) 14:51:26 <edeca> But it doesn't copy newgrf stations yet 14:51:41 <edeca> Basically because you can walk stations, so the copypaste patch would rely on distant-join stations patch 14:51:52 <edeca> However, all other features of copypaste work dandily ;) 14:52:20 <petern> burp 14:52:46 <edeca> LordNokon: http://openttd.edeca.net/hg/copypaste if you want to check out, I've not updated the forum post yet 14:52:59 <edeca> goodger: Heh, you mean we can't have banknotes with Queeny any more? :( 14:55:03 <LordNokon> edeca which one should i use 14:55:43 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-67-2.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 14:57:12 <edeca> LordNokon: Like I said above, it doesn't currently copy stations. 14:57:29 <edeca> LordNokon: So it probably wont help you. Do you run linux or windows? And do you build yourself or install? 14:58:09 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:00:16 <Belugas> or copy/paste? 15:00:20 <Belugas> hihihih 15:00:23 <edeca> Haha 15:00:28 * edeca gives Belugas a cookie 15:01:24 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:03:11 <edeca> LordNokon: However, it should be possible to add station copying with the exception of "walked" stations 15:03:37 <edeca> LordNokon: But it will add the complexity that if you copy a newgrf station and paste it in a game without that newgrf loaded, what do you do? 15:04:45 <Yexo> edeca: simple, just use the default station instead 15:04:57 <edeca> Yexo: Yeah, that's one solution 15:05:05 <edeca> Yexo: I prefer randomly bulldozing expensive tiles ;) 15:05:25 <edeca> Yexo: Or generating an error dialog for every tile that fails 15:07:20 <LordNokon> edeca you totaly lost me, i have no idea what you are talking about. 15:07:26 <edeca> LordNokon: Cheese. 15:07:30 <edeca> LordNokon: Plenty of cheese. 15:07:40 <LordNokon> lol 15:08:05 <edeca> Basically there is a copy and paste patch. It isn't in the official source, but does work with the latest version. 15:08:10 <edeca> However, it wont help you copy stations. 15:08:10 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-66-180-201-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 15:08:28 <LordNokon> why 15:08:41 <petern> why why, delilah 15:09:30 <edeca> Because it doesn't know how to copy stations at the moment 15:09:47 <LordNokon> ok makes sense 15:09:55 * edeca wonders what the functions are for getting station tiles 15:10:08 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.1.163.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:10:34 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:12:57 <edeca> If compiled under cygwin, does the resulting exe depend on cygwin DLLs? 15:13:29 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:13:35 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:14:11 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:17:06 *** De_Ghost [~s@75-119-229-73.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 15:17:27 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.1.163.11] has joined #openttd 15:19:43 <glx> theorically no as the -mno-cygwin flag is used 15:20:07 <edeca> Excellent, thanks 15:20:17 <glx> but it's easy to verify :) 15:20:48 <edeca> Heh, without deleting cygwin.dll? :P 15:20:55 <TrueBrain> rename it 15:21:07 <edeca> Yeah, that is a good idea. 15:21:24 <edeca> Or I could check check the linking info 15:21:35 <TrueBrain> inconclusive :) 15:22:21 <glx> and it's cygwin-1.dll ;) 15:28:59 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:33:50 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 15:36:04 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:46:05 <Progman> got the DEBUG( makro a placeholder for a string by a given string-id? 15:55:04 <joachim> will autorenew turn off old vehicle warnings? 15:55:23 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:56:47 <petern> no 15:57:17 <petern> it might cause vehicles to be renewed, which would then stop vehicles being old, which would then not issue old vehicle warnings 15:57:26 <petern> but in itself it does not 'turn off' old vehicle warnings 15:57:53 <joachim> ok 15:58:19 <joachim> do you know how old a vehicle is for the game to start warning? 15:59:11 <petern> depends on the vehicle 15:59:13 <petern> it tells you 15:59:49 <joachim> i want a warning before it's autorenew 16:00:01 <joachim> ed 16:01:30 <Eddi|zuHause> the first warning is lifetime - 12 months, the default for autorenew is lifetime - 6 months 16:01:46 <Eddi|zuHause> so you have 6 months time to react 16:02:20 <joachim> i set lifetime to +12 months 16:03:22 <joachim> cause i don't think i'm getting warned 16:04:01 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe you changed the message settings? 16:04:25 <joachim> no, it's all good 16:04:43 <joachim> maybe daylength patch screws it up? autorenew doesn't seem to trigger either 16:05:14 <Eddi|zuHause> daylength should have no influence to lifetime and autorenew 16:05:40 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 16:05:41 <joachim> ok, i have buses that are 18 (max 10) 16:07:36 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe they can't find path to depot? 16:08:21 <joachim> no, i don't think that's it 16:08:39 <joachim> my oldest trains are 19/20 now, no warning 16:08:51 <joachim> will see if they are renew 16:09:48 <Progman> <http://paste.openttd.org/178484>, what do you think? it sets the number of town/industrie generation in the editor always to the lowest amount (index 0 for towns, index 1 for industries) instead of using the current/last game setting 16:13:19 <joachim> renewed* 16:16:02 *** MrOxiMoron [~hvdklauw@s55918a90.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:21:53 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fefe8.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:27:50 *** darks [~darks@124.161.79.154] has quit [Quit: darks] 16:28:34 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:32:14 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:32:14 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 16:38:28 <joachim> Eddi|zuHause: disabling "warn if vehicle is late" also disable the age warning :) 16:39:58 <Eddi|zuHause> err... that is obviously a bug or a wrongly synced patch 16:45:27 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5D51C.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:45:38 *** gynter [~gynter@78-28-74-43.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has joined #openttd 16:46:03 <gynter> hello, does anyone know why I have Pikka's Basic Industries all cargo rates 0⬠? 16:46:21 <gynter> OpenTTD 0.6.3, latest PBI 16:46:46 <Aali> ... 16:46:52 <SmatZ> gynter: because you added the GRF after game initialization? 16:47:02 <Aali> you missed the big red warning sign? 16:47:09 <gynter> no? 16:47:14 <SmatZ> then I don't know 16:47:30 <gynter> all grfs are read correctly (are green) and industries works 16:47:35 <gynter> but only payment rates are 0 16:47:42 <yorick> yes 16:47:50 <yorick> but did you add it ingame or in the menu? 16:48:13 <gynter> client or server? 16:48:28 <gynter> In client I added it from menu, in server I added it to scenario from ediotr 16:48:31 <gynter> editor * 16:49:02 <yorick> yep, then there's your problem 16:49:12 <yorick> you can't add newcargoes grfs from inside the game/editor 16:49:15 <SmatZ> you have to add GRFs in the main menu, not in the game nor scenario editor 16:49:39 <gynter> But how I could add new grf to scenario then? 16:49:51 <yorick> nightlies support the feature 16:49:55 <gynter> since If i add it to server conf it'll only read scenario ones 16:49:59 <yorick> and you need to add it before create the server 16:49:59 <gynter> hmm 16:49:59 <SmatZ> trunk behaves better, it resets economy after newgrf changes (I thought it has been backported to 0.6 :-/ 16:50:05 <yorick> the scen* 16:50:42 <Aali> gynter: set the right GRFs from the main menu before you create the scenario 16:50:48 <gynter> I did 16:50:57 <gynter> no i didn't 16:50:58 <gynter> thanks :) 16:51:09 <gynter> i'll try that 16:51:20 <gynter> but, then i'll have to make new scenario? 16:51:43 <Aali> basically, yes 16:51:58 <gynter> thats sad, but if it works then its worth of it :) 16:52:03 <gynter> k, gona test this 16:52:05 <gynter> bye 16:52:07 *** gynter [~gynter@78-28-74-43.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:52:48 <yorick> (or he just uses ammlers reseteconomy patch) 17:09:57 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:10:02 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:11:04 <Wolf01> nice... I just found that some vehicles can skip queues at roadstops by passing the queued vehicles like ghosts 17:12:30 <petern> road vehicle queueing (with quantum effects) 17:12:36 <petern> that's the quantum effects bit 17:12:41 <goodger> actually, they just overtake... ¬.¬ 17:13:14 <petern> in some cases they don't, they just move through 17:14:11 <goodger> ah 17:14:15 <goodger> I wish they did that more often 17:15:16 <petern> i wish i had food 17:16:56 <Aali> well, if you keep enough RVs trying to go the same place (and the road is blocked so they have to stop), they will eventually end up inside each other 17:17:01 <Eddi|zuHause> i wish i had a not so close deadline 17:17:36 <Aali> good stuff when you stack 100 RVs at a level crossing and then crash them all at once 17:18:43 <Eddi|zuHause> you are insane. 17:20:32 <Eddi|zuHause> why is there no "ignore local authorities" cheat? 17:20:54 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81695.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: icebears... take care of them!] 17:25:21 <Belugas> well ... i was a bit inclined to add it, but some users insisted so much on making it a setting that it switched my good will totally off 17:25:32 <Belugas> and not a cheat, may i add 17:26:01 <petern> a setting? hahaa 17:26:05 <petern> definitely a cheat 17:26:24 <Belugas> indeed 17:35:15 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81695.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:35:17 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 17:35:24 <Wolf01> uhm, RV are less stupid, did you touched anything? 17:36:14 *** Osai is now known as Osai^Kendo 17:36:25 <Aali> less stupid in what way? 17:36:47 <Wolf01> now they use all the four roadstops in a claw-style vehicle station 17:37:23 <Aali> a what now? 17:37:55 <Wolf01> rephrase 17:38:07 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.170.14] has joined #openttd 17:38:37 <Aali> what is this claw style you speak of? 17:39:24 <Wolf01> ___/_/_/ 17:39:38 <Belugas> their tires change themselves in claws and just try to dismantle any vehicles passing by 17:41:06 *** ecke [~ecke@xbl.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:41:12 <goodger> :) 17:44:41 <yorick> they got multistop? 17:45:07 <Wolf01> no, a single stop for each lane 17:45:48 <Wolf01> or the second one will get blocked if it finish to load before the first one 17:45:54 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14846 /trunk/ (docs/HOWTO_compile_lang_files.txt readme.txt): -Doc: strgen hasn't been part of the trunk/release binaries for quite a while, so point to the precompiled strgen package instead. 17:49:15 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14847 /trunk/src/ (map.cpp map_func.h): -Codechange: generalise the circular search to search around a rectangle (PhilSophus) 17:53:42 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D1F0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:53:47 <fjb> Hello 17:54:38 <SmatZ> hello 17:55:35 *** vraa [~vraa@h168.182.213.151.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:58:48 *** De_Ghost [~s@75-119-229-73.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:59:13 *** De_Ghosty [~s@75-119-224-144.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 18:02:29 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:04:46 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeji37.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 18:05:54 *** Wolle [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0FF5A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.lagerwiki.de - das Wiki rund um's Thema Lager und Logistik] 18:11:45 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:11:45 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:11:48 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 18:17:49 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:19:42 *** mortal`` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:21:33 *** genclay [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:21:49 *** Mortal is now known as Guest165 18:21:49 *** mortal`` is now known as mortal 18:22:49 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:23:11 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:26:20 *** Guest165 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:33:14 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!] 18:33:15 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:38:39 *** genclay [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:40:25 <petern> Belugas, how did you get tortoisesvn to work with ssh? 18:41:22 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 18:41:39 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:41:49 *** Hirundo is now known as Swallow 18:43:01 <Belugas> can tell you that tonigh, form home :) 18:43:04 <Belugas> from 18:43:15 <Belugas> but it si very simple, from what i recall 18:43:47 <petern> yeah, what i read was simple but didn't work :( 18:43:55 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:44:30 <Belugas> iirc, it requires chanching the config file on Doc and Settings\USER\Application Data\Subversion 18:44:55 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: translators * r14848 /trunk/src/lang/ (12 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 18:44:55 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-01-05 18:44:14 18:44:55 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: afrikaans - 11 fixed by Alrich (11) 18:44:55 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: arabic_egypt - 19 fixed, 21 changed by khaloofah (40) 18:44:55 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: danish - 40 fixed, 1 changed by ThomasA (41) 18:44:57 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: dutch - 2 fixed, 25 changed by Excel20 (27) 18:44:59 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: hebrew - 8 fixed by EScake (8) 18:45:11 <Belugas> ssh = plink.exe (here at work). I believe there is a tortoise equivalent 18:45:29 <petern> hmm 18:47:53 <petern> "Disconnected: No supported authenticatin methods available :o 18:48:00 <Belugas> yeah... 18:48:08 <Belugas> got that quite oftenly 18:50:29 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:50:36 <Belugas> and once i've been able to get it right, i had to recreate all my repos 19:02:26 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:03:20 <glx> IIRC tortoise needs pagent 19:03:45 <glx> but I never used it :) 19:04:11 <Belugas> yup, it does 19:04:53 <glx> and stored connection name may matter 19:05:08 <petern> according to what i read i don't need it :o 19:05:12 <Belugas> i've got it setup on my quick launch, so i only need to click on it once. The key file is passed as parameter and the paraphrase pops up 19:05:50 <Belugas> name connection... nope, i don't recall seeing it as a matter 19:06:21 <petern> i'm trying named connection indeed 19:06:28 <Belugas> it's not reuired as per say, petern, but you'll be prompted for credential whenever you try doing stuff 19:07:00 <petern> which is fine 19:07:10 * petern tries with pageant anyway 19:07:43 <petern> doesn't work :( 19:08:15 <petern> bah, i can't see what's going on the server side either 19:08:24 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 19:10:20 <petern> pageant + putty works 19:12:44 <petern> when i tell it to use plink a plink.exe cmd window pops up but nothing more :o 19:14:54 <Belugas> mmh.... I remember sending my public key over 19:15:29 <petern> yeah, i have that 19:15:33 <petern> putty logs in fine 19:15:43 <petern> for a normal login session 19:16:18 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... can i change the resolution of a running windows without seeing anything on the monitor? 19:16:28 <petern> yes 19:16:36 <petern> if you're really lucky 19:17:12 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i could do it back then when i only saw gibberish when the resolution was too high, but my flatscreen monitor doesn't do that... 19:17:13 <petern> you know what pisses me off? 19:17:20 <petern> blog posts that say "day/month" 19:17:23 <petern> with no year 19:17:26 <petern> POINTLESS 19:20:38 <Eddi|zuHause> what's the key for getting into the windows boot menu? 19:21:31 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.1.240.170] has joined #openttd 19:21:35 <insulfrog> hi 19:21:57 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 19:22:07 <Yexo> Eddi|zuHause: iirc it's F8 19:22:24 <Yexo> is there an easy way to get msvc to create a bundle.zip, like make bundle_zip does from within cygwin? 19:23:06 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, that worked 19:23:52 *** mikl [~mikl@80.199.116.190.static.peytz.dk] has joined #openttd 19:24:42 *** mikl [~mikl@80.199.116.190.static.peytz.dk] has quit [] 19:30:22 *** Mark [~M4rk@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Want to be different? Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 19:31:44 *** M4rk [~M4rk@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 19:31:48 *** M4rk is now known as Mark 19:32:06 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.1.163.11] has quit [Quit: http://www.chogie.eu] 19:37:13 *** vraa [~vraa@h25.81.141.67.static.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 19:40:35 <petern> anyone with admin on secure? 19:43:46 <Belugas> not me 19:43:56 <Belugas> Rubidium and TrueBrain are the only ones. i believe 19:47:23 <Belugas> not nice... i still have one ear completely blocked by this infection i caugh. so listening to music is...not enjoyable 19:51:42 <petern> urgbh 19:54:34 <Eddi|zuHause> bah, handling two computers with two keyboards and one monitor is... annoying 19:55:07 <Eddi|zuHause> especially i can't get that second computer to choose a widescreen resolution 20:01:41 <Rubidium> petern: what do you need? 20:01:56 <petern> i can't tell if this thing is even attempting to login :/ 20:02:25 <petern> tortoisesvn + ssh that is 20:03:26 <Rubidium> petern: last ssh session is from 19:07 UTC 20:03:34 <Rubidium> so roughly one hour ago 20:03:39 <petern> no failed logins? :o 20:04:14 <Rubidium> no 20:06:04 <Eddi|zuHause> argh... fuck this... 20:06:12 <Eddi|zuHause> how can i remote login into windows from linux? 20:06:21 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485F012.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:06:39 <petern> hmm, ttdpatch uses two bytes to store rv max speed 20:06:55 <petern> one for old and one for new 20:07:02 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: in the "old" age there was a telnet server installed with Windows 20:07:09 <petern> use rdesktop? 20:07:32 <Eddi|zuHause> preferably graphical, and preferably using the preinstalled windows remote stuff 20:07:35 <petern> i can store it in one uint16 but grfs may assume they can set the new then the old, which'll work differently 20:07:47 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: then definitely rdesktop 20:07:48 <petern> so should i just create another uint8 for a new max speed? 20:08:09 <Ctibor> Eddi|zuHause: krdc supports remote desktop 20:09:21 <petern> hmm, does krdc support ssl? 20:10:09 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D1F0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:11:20 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i think i crashed it... 20:13:10 <petern> heh, silly programming... it keeps the lower byte so why didn't they make the new byte just the high part of a word instead of a different value in different units? 20:15:01 <Eddi|zuHause> how can i disable the tabs in krdc? 20:16:47 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:16:47 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:16:49 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 20:20:10 <petern> meh, two separate values is annoying :/ 20:20:37 <frosch123> what defines, which value is used? 20:21:26 <frosch123> or is the new one only used when "realistic acceleration" is on? 20:21:29 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.2.160.252] has joined #openttd 20:22:43 <petern> in ttdpatch, yes 20:23:16 <Belugas> an array then? 20:23:30 <petern> i want to make it always use the new speed if it's set, but we can't assume the new speed is set after the old speed format 20:23:53 <petern> otherwise it'd be much simpler to just increase the max speed to uint16 20:24:18 <frosch123> I do not understand why you want to store both, isn't it already known which will be used on grf load? 20:24:34 <petern> is it? 20:25:59 <Eddi|zuHause> mÀh... internet access on the work pc at home isn't as fast as internet access on the work pc at work... 20:26:00 <petern> it is not known which order they will be in the grf file 20:26:17 <petern> so if you only store one, it could be replaced by the old format later 20:26:37 <frosch123> "When setting property 15, always set property 08 as well, so that the vehicle works reasonably well whether realistic acceleration is turned on or off. If property 15 is not set, the value from property 08 is used instead." <- does that mean, first setting prop 15 and then 8, that the value of 8 will override 15? 20:27:04 <petern> if we store it in the same place, yes 20:27:15 <frosch123> or does it initialiue 15 with zero or something like that to detect whether it has been set? 20:27:31 <frosch123> I was asking for TTDP behaviour :) 20:27:49 <petern> ttdpatch stores them separately, and presumably defaults to 0 for prop 15 20:27:55 <petern> if 0 use prop 8 20:28:58 <petern> one possibility is to abuse one of the misc flags, i think 20:29:00 <frosch123> so you only need to know whether property 15 has already been set during loading? 20:29:04 <petern> yes 20:29:05 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r14849 /trunk/src/pbs.cpp: -Fix [FS#2478]: A train meeting its end could lead to an endless loop. 20:29:09 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r14850 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#2503]: Reversing a stuck train that is then not stuck anymore did not always reset the waiting timer. 20:29:13 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r14851 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Fix: A train reversing in a non-PBS block can't be stuck. 20:29:16 <Rubidium> petern: what about adding a static SmallMap<EngineID, uint16> _rv_new_speed and storing stuff into there (for new RVs) 20:29:19 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r14852 /trunk/src/ (settings.cpp train_cmd.cpp): -Feature: Automatic reversing in front of block signals can now be disabled by setting pf.wait_oneway_signal respectively pf.wait_twoway_signal to 255. 20:29:25 <frosch123> isn't the engine data already stored in some temporary array? 20:29:32 <Rubidium> then when the GRF are loaded check in the map 20:29:43 <petern> Rubidium... hmm, possible 20:29:58 <Wolf01> !feature! 20:30:03 <Rubidium> IIRC it already happens for something else too 20:30:06 <petern> that would make the rest of the code much simpler 20:30:33 <petern> :D 20:30:36 <petern> thanks 20:30:40 <DaleStan> I think the question is: If speed is non-zero, was that speed set by prop 08 or prop 15? 20:31:04 <petern> oh, hang on 20:31:09 <petern> frosch123: you're right 20:31:14 <petern> there's a GRFTempEngineData struct 20:31:18 <petern> i could just put it in there 20:31:23 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 20:31:37 <DaleStan> If the speed was set by prop 15 (and realistic acceleration is on) then further prop 08s must not overwrite that value. 20:31:47 <petern> DaleStan, yes, we know that :) 20:31:51 <Eddi|zuHause> michi_cc: how about, instead of reversing on a PBS signal, look both ways for a new path, after the waiting timeout? 20:32:11 <Eddi|zuHause> and then reverse if a path in the other direction has been found 20:32:34 <SpearmintRhino> how about allowing combined through/terminus stations 20:32:45 <SpearmintRhino> so that a train checks it can leave a platform before it enters it 20:32:50 <Eddi|zuHause> should essentially be calling the pathfinder from the rear vehicle 20:33:09 <Eddi|zuHause> SpearmintRhino: not as easy as it sounds 20:33:17 <SpearmintRhino> course it is 20:33:21 <SpearmintRhino> you're just not trying hard enough 20:33:32 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.1.163.11] has joined #openttd 20:33:37 <Rubidium> SpearmintRhino: no YOU are not trying hard enough 20:33:50 <SpearmintRhino> :( 20:34:09 <Rubidium> 'cause if you would be trying hard enough you'd already have a patch for it 20:34:19 <Eddi|zuHause> SpearmintRhino: getting the train to pick the through platform is not too difficult, PBS already has such a lookahead, but getting the reversing train to pick the terminal platform? 20:34:32 <Rubidium> written by yourself ofcourse 20:34:34 <Alberth> or have come to the conclusion that it is less easy than it sounds :) 20:34:43 *** Fantasya [~simas068@78.59.192.248] has joined #openttd 20:34:44 <SpearmintRhino> Eddi|zuHause: the reverser can pick any 20:34:49 <michi_cc> Eddi|zuHause: maybe later, but it's certainly more work than just adding a == 255 :) 20:34:51 <SpearmintRhino> the through train needs a through platform 20:35:01 <Eddi|zuHause> SpearmintRhino: yes, but deciding that a train should reverse? 20:35:28 *** Moodles [Tallarines@60-242-71-35.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:35:47 *** Moodles [Tallarines@60-242-71-35.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 20:35:57 <Rubidium> then there's the issue of: what is a through train and what is a train that is going to reverse 20:36:15 <Rubidium> with conditional orders that can be unknown at the moment you want to enter the station 20:36:21 <Eddi|zuHause> that's what i was trying to say 20:37:08 <Fantasya> Hi guys. happy new year! c novi godom! frohes neues jahr! laimingu naujuju metu! 20:37:21 <Eddi|zuHause> you are like 5 days late... 20:37:48 <petern> better late than never? 20:38:12 <petern> right, _gted works :D 20:38:21 <Fantasya> yea sure. better late :P 20:38:35 <petern> bit of a 'waste' because only RVs need that extra byte, but it's temporary data anyway 20:39:47 <Fantasya> I want to wish you all good income, more maglev constructions :) 20:40:41 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 20:44:14 <Alberth> Fantasya: well, less is not possible. I didn't construct any maglev last year 20:44:22 <Belugas> How could you forget "Bonne Année" ???? 20:44:26 <Belugas> SHAME ON YOU! 20:46:13 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:46:18 *** evandar [~evandar@xbl.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:46:23 *** Hirundo is now known as Swallow 20:49:53 <Alberth> Belugas: http://paste.openttd.org/178488 20:50:28 <petern> http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/rvspeed.diff 20:50:58 <petern> (using the multistep movement code from trains) 20:51:16 <Belugas> hehe 20:52:28 <glx> Belugas: wrong encoding :) 20:52:33 <Fantasya> Hu guys again :) 20:52:38 <Fantasya> hi* 20:53:13 <Belugas> glx, i can guess. I'm not totally fully re-installed on this new pc :( 20:54:44 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5D51C.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:56:26 <Belugas> seems like quite decent, petern 20:58:59 <Swallow> Is it possible/allowed to change the window number of an open window? 21:00:01 <Wolf01> hey I have an idea: be able to build stations with at least 2 full foundations on the tile (the tile with only one corner raised... I need to put buffers on these tiles :P) 21:00:56 <frosch123> you mean steep slopes? 21:00:57 <Swallow> Never mind, I will use a different solution.. 21:01:43 <Wolf01> no, not steep slopes those are 2 foundations high 21:01:48 <glx> why would you change window number Swallow ? 21:02:11 <frosch123> Wolf01: then I guess you want to remove the slope checks for non-track-station tiles :) 21:02:25 <glx> usually window number contains info about what is displayed in the window 21:02:28 <petern> Wolf01, nope 21:02:32 <Wolf01> why not? 21:03:04 <petern> no-one's written it :p 21:03:06 <glx> Wolf01: what happens if you remove the station grf? 21:03:10 <petern> originally the argument was that 21:03:17 <petern> but then what happens if you remove a vehicle grf? ;) 21:03:31 <glx> station != vehicle :) 21:03:53 <Wolf01> uhm... so we should allow track tiles too 21:03:56 <glx> fallback stuff is in the spec for them 21:03:59 <Wolf01> problem resolved 21:04:00 <Wolf01> :D 21:04:06 <frosch123> when non-track-tiles become track-tiles you will get a lot traincrashes anyway :) 21:04:15 <frosch123> who cares if they fall down the slope :p 21:04:20 <Swallow> glx: I used tileindices to refer to either a waypoint or a signal tile, but I'm gonna revert that 21:04:22 <Wolf01> why a train should crash? 21:05:11 <glx> Wolf01: TBBT with T=trac, B=buffer 21:05:21 <Wolf01> ooooh 21:05:41 <frosch123> I guess PBS won't be happy about that either :p 21:05:52 <Wolf01> the same should already happen with TBT where B is the double headed buffer 21:06:11 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@152.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 21:06:19 <petern> do we care much if people removes grfs anyway? 21:06:37 <petern> i'm fairly sure that in the spec you can remove vehicle grfs too 21:06:44 <petern> ttdpatch does store details of them in the game 21:06:48 <Wolf01> you already suggest to don't remove grfs runtime 21:07:01 <petern> Wolf01, write a patch to allow it and i'll consider it 21:07:07 <Wolf01> I'll try 21:07:18 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14853 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: rename GetClosestStationFromTile to GetClosestDeletedStation as that's what it does instead of finding non-deleted stations. 21:07:56 <Wolf01> I hope to understand how the code for the possible slopes works 21:08:02 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:08:10 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:08:15 *** khh [~khh_1990@062016207104.customer.alfanett.no] has joined #openttd 21:08:19 <petern> good 21:08:20 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 21:08:22 <petern> cos i didn't 21:09:00 <Wolf01> last time I've got a great headache to try to allow vertical tracks on slopes 21:09:25 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:09:32 *** vraa [~vraa@h25.81.141.67.static.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 21:09:59 <frosch123> Wolf01: let it perform the airport test for non-track tiles 21:10:49 <Wolf01> why only non track ones? 21:11:10 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 21:11:11 <frosch123> else trains will drive over the cliff 21:11:12 <petern> because the current behaviour for track tiles shouldn't change 21:11:42 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:13:05 <Wolf01> but as glx said, when one removes the grf, the non-track tiles become track tiles, and one might expect to be able to build track tiles in the same slope 21:14:25 <Eddi|zuHause> non-track-tiles should be an entirely different tile class 21:14:35 <Eddi|zuHause> not rail rail tiles 21:14:45 <Eddi|zuHause> s/rail// 21:14:53 <Eddi|zuHause> s/ / / 21:15:16 <Wolf01> indeed, non track tiles should be newobjects 21:15:54 <frosch123> except someone wants to place objects which consists of tiles from both classes :p 21:16:14 <Wolf01> wow 16.49MB transferred... I should update the checkout more often 21:16:24 *** Osai^Kendo is now known as Osai 21:16:59 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 21:17:09 <frosch123> petern: ///< 21:17:14 <petern> oh yes 21:20:05 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: but that is only a problem at construction time 21:20:36 <frosch123> and destruction- and overbuilding-time 21:20:53 <frosch123> but true, it is limited to OTTD 21:21:30 <Eddi|zuHause> feature request: overbuilding of a station tile should not depend on town rating 21:22:00 <Wolf01> I really agree with Eddi 21:23:24 *** khh [~khh_1990@062016207104.customer.alfanett.no] has left #openttd [] 21:23:26 *** khh [~khh_1990@062016207104.customer.alfanett.no] has joined #openttd 21:23:43 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:24:17 <petern> write a patch 21:25:36 <frosch123> with a configurable chance per year, that the missing building license is detected, and the building is destructed 21:26:33 *** vraa [~vraa@h222.77.20.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 21:26:44 <petern> hehe 21:26:56 <Eddi|zuHause> lmao 21:27:03 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-66-180-201-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:27:10 <Wolf01> ok, the station can be built on every kind of sloped tile, and the train don't fall down 21:27:30 <Wolf01> at least for now 21:27:32 <petern> you did it already? 21:27:37 <Wolf01> yep 21:27:38 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: not even if you continue the rail? 21:27:44 <Wolf01> no 21:27:57 <Wolf01> it stops at the end of the station 21:28:28 <frosch123> SmatZ: did you change something wrt. that? 21:28:44 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: can you try with my middle stop patch? 21:29:00 <Wolf01> just commented out the slope checking in the CheckFlatLandBelow function 21:29:22 <frosch123> Wolf01: ok, the train stops, but can it continue to the next station across the cliff? 21:30:03 <Wolf01> oh that 21:30:07 <Wolf01> yes, it does 21:30:18 <SmatZ> frosch123: wrt. what? 21:30:28 <Wolf01> and it's really nice 21:30:36 <Wolf01> we could make sloped stations!!! 21:30:54 *** FR^2 [frr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 21:31:17 <Eddi|zuHause> sloped stations are hardly "realistic" 21:31:33 <frosch123> SmatZ: I temporarily wondered whether end-of-line detection can handle cliffs 21:31:40 <Wolf01> also 30° tracks 21:32:32 <qball> what is wrong with sloped stations? 21:32:45 <TrueBrain> they smell!! 21:32:48 <qball> aah 21:33:07 <Eddi|zuHause> but... i need sloped tram stations 21:33:14 <qball> yeah 21:33:17 <Wolf01> I'll try to make it not building the foundations and see if I can make the train behave like in a normal slope... maybe then graphics will come in a second time 21:34:23 <SmatZ> frosch123: :-) 21:34:39 * SmatZ understands Eddi|zuHause's needs 21:34:41 <Wolf01> the only impossible slope is the steep slope, the one which covers 2 height levels 21:34:43 <SmatZ> I need the same! 21:35:02 <frosch123> Wolf01: you can build inclined foundations there 21:35:23 <Wolf01> yes but where I find an inclined station? 21:35:33 *** khh [~khh_1990@062016207104.customer.alfanett.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:35:44 <Wolf01> and then I don't need foundations 21:35:53 <frosch123> err, maybe is pisa? you should know 21:36:02 <Eddi|zuHause> lmao :p 21:36:10 <frosch123> hmm, I bet pisa is the german name 21:36:57 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 21:37:27 <frosch123> lost again :( 21:38:20 <frosch123> Wolf01: I meant to just call GetRailFoundation() in GetFoundation_Station() 21:38:46 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:39:18 <Wolf01> uhm, I'll give it a look 21:42:17 *** khh [~khh_1990@062016207104.customer.alfanett.no] has joined #openttd 21:46:46 *** khh [~khh_1990@062016207104.customer.alfanett.no] has left #openttd [] 21:50:50 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 21:53:43 <Wolf01> getfoundation_station not called? 21:53:51 <Wolf01> really uhm 21:54:30 <Wolf01> ah, no, I was using the wrong tool 21:55:03 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: glx * r14854 /trunk/projects/ (6 files): -Change: speedup compilation with MSVC on 'multi-processor' systems (khh) 21:55:55 <glx> of course generation step is still slow for release 21:56:08 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-145-26-37.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:56:14 *** roboboy [7248d4fc@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 21:56:23 *** enra [~enra@203-59-13-201.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:57:25 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeji37.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:58:39 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577AC9FC.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 22:02:10 *** MrOxiMoron [~hvdklauw@s55918a90.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [] 22:11:14 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B771F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:14:44 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D98.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:21:28 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.1.240.170] has left #openttd [] 22:22:14 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-145-26-37.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:27:01 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@152.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [] 22:31:24 *** roboboy [7248d4fc@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 22:34:51 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]] 22:34:55 <Wolf01> gah, it's difficult :( 22:37:17 *** Fantasya [~simas068@78.59.192.248] has quit [] 22:37:41 <TrueBrain> welcome to our life :) 22:42:25 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:46:15 <joachim> i can't bulldoze a station cause there's a "train in the way", but there isn't 22:46:22 <joachim> is that a known thing? 22:46:49 <Wolf01> yes, now 22:47:31 <Wolf01> are you really sure that there isn't a train on any of the station platforms? 22:47:59 <joachim> oh 22:48:04 <joachim> never mind 22:49:09 <joachim> forgot i was using distant stations 22:51:32 <Wolf01> svn: This client is too old to work with working copy 22:51:34 <Wolf01> wtf? 22:51:42 <Rubidium> petern: next time type the right password ;) 22:51:51 <petern> no 22:51:55 <petern> the right username 22:52:05 <petern> see that works 22:52:08 <petern> just not with tortoise :( 22:52:13 <petern> or svn 22:52:24 <petern> er, yeah 22:52:26 <glx> Wolf01: what version of svn ? 22:52:33 <Wolf01> 1.4.2 22:52:46 <Wolf01> but I use tortoise 1.5.x 22:52:51 <Rubidium> there's your problem 22:52:55 <Wolf01> msys still use an old version 22:53:14 <glx> msys use the version you installed :) 22:53:17 <Rubidium> tortoise 1.5 uses svn 1.5, thus upgrades your WC as written in the readme and such 22:53:48 <glx> just upgrade the cli version 22:54:05 * glx uses 1.5.4 22:57:01 <petern> odd 22:57:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, 4 is even. 22:57:28 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 22:57:44 <petern> well well 22:57:55 <petern> seems it's trying to connect to *my* server, not the correct one :o 22:58:04 <petern> my server just locked my out :p 22:59:23 <petern> lol 22:59:31 <petern> fixed it 22:59:52 <petern> it uses the host specified in the default settings instead the host specified 22:59:54 <petern> crazytalk 23:00:39 <SpearmintRhino> petern: updated NWM 23:00:50 <petern> you what? 23:01:18 <SpearmintRhino> updated 3/1/9 23:02:12 <petern> still making no sense 23:03:27 <SpearmintRhino> updated network west midlands for openbve 23:04:14 <petern> oh 23:04:15 <petern> you're sacro 23:05:05 <SpearmintRhino> quite 23:08:01 <SpearmintRhino> @seen WhiteRhino 23:08:01 <DorpsGek> SpearmintRhino: WhiteRhino was last seen in #openttd 12 hours, 55 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <WhiteRhino> Anyway, bed is calling me. >.< I'll be back tomorrow. Seeya. 23:11:05 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Quit: Quit] 23:15:03 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Checking whether build environment is sane ... build environment is grinning and holding a spatula. Guess not.] 23:23:12 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:23:24 *** Ctibor [~ctibor@77.48.228.43] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:26:25 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 23:30:33 *** ecke_ [~ecke@xbl.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 23:30:33 *** ecke [~ecke@xbl.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:35:17 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:38:11 <petern> hmz 23:38:17 <petern> Perfect stop bonus: 15 23:38:21 <petern> Late: -38 23:38:23 <petern> never mind 23:38:31 <petern> at least i didn't run into the buffer stop 23:38:58 <TrueBrain> what are you playing .... :p 23:40:00 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E34B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:41:39 *** WhiteRhino [White@modem172.tmlp.net] has joined #openttd 23:41:44 <WhiteRhino> Evening cats and kittens. 23:43:57 <dihedral> wrong channel 23:44:18 <WhiteRhino> *checks* No, it's the right one. 23:44:37 <Aali> no cats in here 23:44:42 <Aali> not in any sense of the word 23:45:06 <dihedral> WhiteRhino, try #moocows 23:45:25 <WhiteRhino> Oh my. 23:48:37 <Eddi|zuHause> fish go moo? 23:49:43 <dihedral> moo go fish! 23:50:10 <TrueBrain> and we can only wish there are kittens here ... 23:55:04 <frosch123> hmm, what is the correct order of calling various callback 36 and adding articulated parts