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00:02:35 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:12:49 *** xerxesdaphat [~tom@118-92-158-146.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:14:48 *** xerxesdaphat [~tom@118-92-158-146.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #openttd 00:19:40 *** xerxesdaphat [~tom@118-92-158-146.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:32:52 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C68.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:11 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77CDE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:42:20 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.180.223] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:48:03 <michi_cc> Eddi|zuHause: http://www.icosahedron.de/openttd/patches/advance_signals_v1.patch 00:48:18 <michi_cc> Eddi|zuHause: and http://www.icosahedron.de/openttd/patches/adv_signals.grf, it's missing proper semphores though 00:48:18 <Eddi|zuHause> noted, but i'm too tired now 00:48:40 <Aali> advanced signals? 00:48:47 <Aali> what is that? 00:48:58 <michi_cc> well, anybody else still here can have a look as well of course :) 00:49:02 <Eddi|zuHause> not "advanced" "advance" 00:49:03 <michi_cc> advance, not advanced 00:49:16 <Rubidium> moar signals ;) 00:49:29 <Eddi|zuHause> means they show the state of the next signal, not of this signal 00:49:48 <SmatZ> "PBS presignals?" 00:49:49 <Aali> PBS combo signals? 00:50:39 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-56-89.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [] 00:50:55 <michi_cc> and for some wacky fun try http://www.icosahedron.de/openttd/patches/advance_slowdown_hack.diff on top 00:51:11 <michi_cc> very much a hack, but you can now have signal overruns 00:51:26 <Rubidium> oh... yellow signals? 00:51:30 <michi_cc> yes 00:52:13 <Rubidium> something to test when I've splut the leak 00:52:51 <michi_cc> so openttdcoop can now have pbs priority thingies :) 00:53:21 <SmatZ> great :) 00:56:07 <michi_cc> note to somebodyâ¢: that adv_signals.grf needs semaphore graphics and the electric signals could probably do with some love as well 00:56:38 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e180226189.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbierbar] 00:59:45 *** genclay [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:02:35 *** fjb [~frank@p5485ECAD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:05:07 <michi_cc> night 01:05:50 <Rubidium> night michi_cc 01:09:53 *** fjb [~frank@p5485EDB6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:10:31 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest121 01:10:33 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 01:13:00 *** Guest121 [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:23:58 *** angelo [~angelo@ppp-94-65-240-222.home.otenet.gr] has quit [] 01:26:52 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-215-153.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:29:02 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85eec3.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 01:33:48 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85eec3.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:34:00 *** Roujin_ is now known as Roujin 01:57:24 *** kjetil [~kjetil@presenterer.formye.info] has joined #openttd 02:00:03 *** Forked [~kjetil@presenterer.formye.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:00:03 *** kjetil is now known as Forked 02:03:45 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85eec3.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 02:09:48 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85eec3.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:09:58 *** Roujin_ is now known as Roujin 02:56:49 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85eec3.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]] 03:04:05 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 03:04:05 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:04:09 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 03:29:13 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has left #openttd [] 03:57:13 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:01:23 *** Zorn [zorn@e177238065.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 04:03:17 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@62.199.84.26] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:06:58 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:08:45 *** Zorn| [zorn@e177229242.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:09:52 <doc> is it possible to increase the number of bays loading trains at the one time 04:25:08 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Quit: RS-SM] 04:32:01 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 04:37:26 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@62.199.84.26] has joined #openttd 04:40:44 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-17-116.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 04:47:06 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@62.199.84.26] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:08:38 <RS-SM> yes 05:16:23 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.180.223] has joined #openttd 05:25:21 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@62.199.84.26] has joined #openttd 05:27:04 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.10] has joined #openttd 05:53:14 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@62.199.84.26] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:05:46 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.10] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Like it? 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"Game requirement not met: Recommended Video Card: ATI Radeon 9200 or better. Found: ATI Radeon 3450" 09:09:19 <Celestar> possibly just doing a numerical comparison between model numbers is NOT helpful 09:09:34 <dihedral> hehehehe 09:09:38 <dihedral> awesome :-) 09:09:51 <Celestar> oh. 09:10:26 <Celestar> and Securom (some anti-piracy idiocy) fails to detect a (valid) CD when the driver is in silent/powersave mode. 09:10:27 <petern> damn, this 22" lcd is so nice after my 17" crt... 09:11:09 <petern> securom works on timings, somehow, so silent might upset it 09:11:38 <petern> you'd think that a million different variantions of drive would upset it too though, mind you 09:11:54 <Celestar> yes, which causes me to download nocd cracks for all the games I legally _own_ 09:24:37 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.98.43] has joined #openttd 09:27:30 <blathijs> Celestar: I wonder if doing that is illegal as well 09:27:48 <blathijs> Under DMCA it probably is... 09:28:07 <dihedral> in germany you are allowed to use cd cracks as long as you own the original cd 09:28:24 <dihedral> so Celestar is actually quite fine there :-P 09:28:43 <dihedral> list admin 09:28:45 <dihedral> ops 09:30:40 *** JapaMala [~Japa@117.201.96.70] has joined #openttd 09:30:40 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.98.43] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:30:40 *** JapaMala is now known as |Japa| 09:30:59 <planetmaker> good morning 09:33:12 <planetmaker> dihedral: actually I'm not quite sure about that anymore... you must not circumvent copy protections... which noCD patches might fall under... 09:34:03 <planetmaker> But then... these kind of customer-are-all-bad-and-only-use-is-giving-us-money-for-free - attitude is bad, so... 09:35:32 <planetmaker> and I like your reply to this mega annoying clan guy ;) 09:37:21 <dihedral> hihi 09:37:22 <dihedral> thanks 09:37:32 <dihedral> he wont :-P 09:38:05 <petern> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=760561#p760561 09:38:12 <petern> dihedral, make that for openttd ;D 09:38:49 <dihedral> that'd be awesome 09:39:29 *** JapaMala [~Japa@117.201.96.70] has joined #openttd 09:39:43 <dihedral> but i have never done one grf and now you want me to do a few thousand? 09:39:56 <dihedral> that sounds a wee mean to me petern 09:40:25 <petern> i'll code it :D 09:40:42 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:41:17 <dihedral> LOL 09:41:36 <petern> it's only "a few" sprites :o 09:41:53 <dihedral> you promise to code it? 09:42:06 <dihedral> so i get you the graphics and you code it! 09:43:19 <petern> graphics in the right size, yeah 09:43:22 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.70] has joined #openttd 09:43:41 <petern> hmm, wait 09:43:49 <petern> 32bpp replacements don't need coding 09:44:13 * petern ponders 09:44:16 <dihedral> i was gonna post something on the forums :-P 09:44:30 <petern> start a project! 09:44:39 <petern> be a project manager and get others to do the drawing ;) 09:47:07 *** JapaMala [~Japa@117.201.96.70] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:48:00 <dihedral> hehe 09:48:13 <dihedral> i think i'd prefer letting the authors focuse on opengfx 09:48:14 *** JapaMala [~Japa@117.201.96.70] has joined #openttd 09:49:04 <dihedral> petern, the brick land climate would be awesome to if it were ever finished 09:51:34 <petern> stop changing the subject ;p 09:52:23 <planetmaker> hehe. But indeed his graphics look quite nice. 09:52:27 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:52:51 <planetmaker> Let's hope to win him back and do more beyond the w2w buildings... 09:52:55 <planetmaker> :) 09:53:40 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.70] has joined #openttd 09:53:42 <dihedral> i was not changing the topic at all - you are! 09:57:17 *** JapaMala [~Japa@117.201.96.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:00:41 *** JapaMala [~Japa@117.201.96.70] has joined #openttd 10:02:16 <dihedral> planetmaker, does IS have a webview of the hg repository? 10:03:09 <planetmaker> Well. The existing hg repo does. But I cannot reccommend (or at least judge) as it's only Yoricks work which I didn't review so far. 10:03:25 <dihedral> oh... oh yuck 10:03:44 <dihedral> you have a pre-yorky-porky patch ? 10:03:45 <planetmaker> and I think Ammler's server is down right now... so not accessible atm 10:04:13 <planetmaker> Aali has... but of course I do have most versions of the patch. But at home 10:04:21 <dihedral> :-P 10:04:30 <planetmaker> if you're interested I'll pm it to you tonight. 10:04:36 * dihedral calles out to Aali 10:04:47 <dihedral> well... kinda curious 10:05:17 <Rubidium> isn't Aali the guy who got overrun by Yorick changing things faster than he did? 10:05:18 <planetmaker> dihedral: it's for the cargodest only and obviously not really fit for current trunk. That patch of him... 10:05:30 <dihedral> yes 10:05:34 <planetmaker> Rubidium: if you refer to IS... probably 10:05:37 <planetmaker> as was I 10:05:44 <dihedral> http://cod.spieleplanet.eu/images/openttd.png <- look at the bottom right corner :-P 10:06:22 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:06:26 <planetmaker> hehe 10:06:42 <dihedral> i recall rortom working with yorky on some stuff - never seen rortom again 10:06:53 <planetmaker> yeah... me, too. 10:07:00 <dihedral> i really dislike that kid with a passion 10:07:18 <planetmaker> He had a patch which had some modifications to the station GUI which could go in a good direction IMO 10:07:43 <dihedral> planetmaker, COULD :-P 10:07:51 <planetmaker> dihedral: yes. _could_ 10:07:55 <dihedral> hihi 10:07:56 <Rubidium> I really ignore that kid with a passion ;) 10:08:04 <dihedral> hihi 10:08:11 <planetmaker> the current implementation or realization isn't optimal, I think. 10:08:15 <dihedral> Rubidium, but it is fun to bash him whenever he sais stupid stuff 10:08:21 <dihedral> which is like _always_ 10:08:45 <planetmaker> I have the feeling he got better... but he hasn't been around lately much. 10:09:00 <planetmaker> but better, starting from worst, isn't good :D 10:09:03 <dihedral> planetmaker, he has gotten better or his coding has gotten better? 10:09:10 <planetmaker> he got less annoying 10:09:14 <dihedral> uh 10:09:15 <dihedral> wow 10:09:23 <petern> yorick? 10:09:28 <dihedral> lol 10:09:30 <planetmaker> well. yes. 10:09:42 *** JapaMala [~Japa@117.201.96.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:09:43 <dihedral> petern, that line just cracked me up :-P 10:09:46 <planetmaker> But probably it's deception: not being around stops him from annoying :D 10:10:25 <dihedral> and then when he does show up, he seems to have the feeling of needing to catch up 10:10:59 <planetmaker> well. Which is fair enough. But a good catchup is mostly done in the forums and possibly via logs... so silently :) 10:11:12 <planetmaker> not to forget the commit logs :) 10:11:35 <dihedral> i meant catching up with his annoyingness 10:11:44 <planetmaker> lool :P 10:12:47 * petern grumbles at RV acceleration 10:12:59 <petern> seems i need to put in magic numbers to make it behave decently :/ 10:13:14 <dihedral> :-( 10:13:15 <Rubidium> not a /2 ? 10:13:24 * dihedral gives petern some magic for the numbers 10:15:30 <planetmaker> hm... :S 10:15:32 <petern> /10 actually 10:15:34 * planetmaker hates magic numbers 10:16:36 <planetmaker> it's like in a mathematical proof finding the line "here occurs a miracle"... :P 10:16:36 <petern> it's got other 'magic' numbers but they're documented conversion factors 10:17:02 <planetmaker> if they're documented, they're not magic; especially, if they're conversion factors :) 10:17:19 <petern> i.e. te = power / speed, but we have units of 10 hp and mph * 3.2 10:17:48 <Rubidium> and weight differs a factor 4? 10:18:14 <planetmaker> yeah... Personally I prefer to do everything SI internally. But I see the need to do it these "strange" ways due to var size limitations and int restrictions 10:18:30 <petern> so power*50000/speed (it's not 50000, but something close to that) works, is more efficient, and doesn't introduce rounding errors 10:18:48 <petern> it's fine as long as it's documented, which is the problem with the current train acceleration 10:18:55 <planetmaker> he... 10:19:17 <petern> Rubidium, doesn't make much difference, actually 10:20:05 <Rubidium> and is speed still in mph*3.2; I see mph*0.8 in the specs too 10:20:38 <dihedral> hihi 10:20:42 <dihedral> very nice! 10:20:50 <petern> yes, we convert from the course speed to fine speed, heh 10:20:55 <petern> *coarse 10:21:06 <petern> that's done in the newgrf loader 10:21:09 <Rubidium> then I've got no clue what could be wrong :( 10:21:30 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 10:21:42 <dihedral> my croissants are looking goooooood 10:21:48 <dihedral> brekkies? here i come! 10:22:21 <petern> Rubidium: what's wrong is that the airdrag coefficient value is tailored to ttdpatch's world. when you apply it to physics it needs adjusting. 10:23:34 <petern> i do, of course, have a patch that introduces ttdpatch style acceleration for trains, although i'm not sure how to handle curves, either use the old way or keep ottd's curve handling... 10:23:55 <petern> dihedral, oh... please... *drool* 10:24:01 <planetmaker> what's the difference, petern ? 10:24:08 <petern> difference in what? 10:24:19 <planetmaker> between traditional curve handling and TTDP's 10:24:56 <dihedral> petern, ALLL MINE 10:25:12 <petern> i don't know, i've not looked at that bit in detail. i know it's more customizable than in ottd. 10:25:32 <petern> i suspect it just alters the amount of speed that is reduced when reaching a curve 10:25:45 <petern> i'd need to view it to check :) 10:26:09 <dihedral> + nutella 10:26:15 <planetmaker> oh right. But then there's no real need in my eyes be able to adjust *every* single parameter. Or rather select between zillions of models. 10:26:47 <planetmaker> Maybe it's a solution to make the single conversion factors an entry in the ini file and have them loaded... maybe similar to newgrf presets :) 10:27:11 <planetmaker> IF you want it fully customizable and have the different models present 10:27:23 <petern> only one at a time, so... 10:29:46 <Rubidium> yeah... I want to define what the air pressure is at different heights ;) 10:29:55 <planetmaker> lool 10:30:17 <petern> :D 10:30:27 <petern> openbve has that, as well as temperature 10:30:27 <planetmaker> And whether we have a high air pressure and sunny times or a low pressure hurricane approaching... 10:30:39 <petern> on the other hand, that is *supposed* to be a realistic train simulator 10:30:41 <dihedral> Rubidium, on a per-height-level bases? 10:30:44 <planetmaker> not to speak of wind direction 10:30:56 <dihedral> + include 'more height levels' :-D 10:31:03 <dihedral> pressure at level 99 10:31:05 <dihedral> .... 10:31:19 <petern> we have something like 120 levels 10:31:22 <planetmaker> where wind direction would make sense for planes. Travel times highly depend upon it... if we dare to mention the "r"-word :D 10:31:57 <dihedral> petern, we do? 10:32:41 <petern> planetmaker, we could make it like cycling in real life -- the wind is always working against you... 10:33:04 <planetmaker> hehe. Very true indeed! 10:33:09 <petern> dihedral, yeah, you don't see trains going up 8 pixels at a time 10:33:47 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.70] has joined #openttd 10:39:04 *** JapaMala [~Japa@117.201.96.70] has joined #openttd 10:43:52 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:48:59 <dihedral> now some css 10:49:07 *** JapaMala [~Japa@117.201.96.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:56:21 * dihedral is borred 11:01:37 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9D363.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:05:06 <petern> draw! 11:06:53 * Sacro is sat in a lecture 11:08:53 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e180226189.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:09:23 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:09:49 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:17:43 *** Carlos31 [~ircap@89.130.143.90] has joined #openttd 11:17:50 <Carlos31> hla 11:17:52 <Carlos31> hola 11:18:41 <Carlos31> alguien en español 11:18:56 <dihedral> ellow 11:19:14 <Carlos31> hi 11:19:14 <dihedral> may i bring up the discussion of a centralised auth system again? :-P 11:19:24 <Sacro> dihedral: no 11:19:26 <Sacro> :) 11:19:42 <Sacro> this channel is a lovely centralised refusal system 11:19:46 <dihedral> hihi 11:19:58 <petern> Sacro's not mature enough to answer that. 11:20:06 * Sacro sits and sulks 11:20:24 <petern> I am still confused by your comment the other day... 11:20:31 <dihedral> petern, hehe 11:20:53 <Sacro> which comment? 11:21:21 <petern> 11:24 < Sacro> since when was petern an op? 11:21:21 <petern> 11:24 < Sacro> he's nowhere near mature enough 11:21:34 <dihedral> wow Sacro you must have a brain like a sive 11:21:46 <Sacro> hehe 11:21:48 <Sacro> dihedral: sieve 11:22:18 <petern> That was two lines from the end of irssi's history... 11:22:34 <dihedral> well rescued petern 11:22:36 <Sacro> meh 11:22:39 <Sacro> i sleep and forget things 11:23:49 <petern> Like that I've had chanop for over 3 years? 11:24:54 <dihedral> hehe 11:24:59 <Sacro> hmm 11:25:04 <Sacro> not sure why that slipped my mind 11:25:47 <dihedral> because you mind is a sieve 11:25:56 <petern> Oh god... 11:26:16 <petern> A colleague sent an email with a question... in the subject... in uppercase... 11:26:17 <Sacro> yep 11:26:19 *** Carlos31 [~ircap@89.130.143.90] has quit [] 11:26:25 <dihedral> sweet 11:26:32 <Sacro> petern: heh, well what should he put in the topic? 11:26:36 <Sacro> s/topic/subject/ 11:27:08 <petern> Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: usually 11:27:50 <dihedral> lol 11:28:10 <petern> I love those 100KB+ emails... 11:28:31 <Sacro> hehe 11:28:40 <Sacro> someone e-mailed everyone at the uni using CC: :( 11:28:44 <petern> :D 11:29:09 <Sacro> yeeeeeeah 11:29:16 <Sacro> noone has hit reply all yet though 11:29:48 <dihedral> reply all :-P 11:30:09 <petern> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7866986.stm 11:30:17 <petern> That's a useful report from the BBC there... 11:30:35 <petern> Wear some shoes with grip you idiots... 11:31:19 <dihedral> brits! 11:33:01 <dihedral> 2 inches of snow and the country's out 11:33:13 <Sacro> yep 11:33:37 <petern> Overgeneralism! 11:33:47 <dihedral> c'mon 11:33:48 <Sacro> Vector3f& Vector3f:operator =(const Vector3f &v) 11:33:51 * Sacro is bored 11:33:54 <dihedral> schools close, no busses drive 11:34:00 <dihedral> trainservices stop? 11:34:05 <dihedral> the tube in london? 11:34:07 <dihedral> c'mon 11:34:08 <petern> It's great, it means the roads are clearer for me :D 11:34:22 <dihedral> yay 11:35:30 <petern> hmm, i just broke google maps 11:35:41 <petern> It had two road overlays at different zoom levels... 11:40:51 <Sacro> hehe 11:41:12 <Celestar> dihedral: you think I'm quite fine with the cracks? :P 11:42:44 <dihedral> what cracks? 11:43:09 <dihedral> Celestar, ^ 11:43:25 <Celestar> the no-cd cracks because of failing SecuROM 11:43:50 <Sacro> ah yes 11:43:54 <Sacro> securom for openttd :D 11:44:34 <dihedral> Celestar, why not 11:44:39 <Celestar> awesome. now, with all drivers installed and working, I have 5 Ethernet connections on my XP :P 11:44:48 <dihedral> LOL 11:44:59 <Celestar> along with 5 symbols in the status bar :P 11:45:01 <Sacro> Celestar: connect them to each otehr! 11:45:58 <Celestar> well 5 Network connections actually. 1) Ethernet, 2) WLAN, 3) IEEE1394, 4) bluetooth, 5) WWAN 11:46:17 <petern> fucking router/webcam/somethign :o 11:46:47 <dihedral> router/webcame 11:46:50 <dihedral> that's a nice combination 11:47:03 <Celestar> always. 11:47:12 <Celestar> plus the total mess that UPNP creates :P 11:47:13 <petern> ... 11:47:30 <Celestar> cool. 11:47:35 <petern> UPNP... Why yes, I do like to give authorised access to my router, honest! 11:47:41 <petern> UN 11:47:44 <petern> UNAUTHORISED 11:48:09 <Celestar> I have a 300MBPs AP and network card. I have a distance of approxmately 5 cm between the router and the laptop. my current speed is 65MBits 11:48:12 <Celestar> :S 11:48:40 <petern> Have you tried using wires? 11:49:14 <petern> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7865737.stm 11:49:15 <petern> Awww 11:50:40 <Celestar> petern: It's especially grate that all these 300MBps access points have a 100MBPs wired connection :S 11:50:45 <Celestar> great* 11:52:06 <dihedral> that'd be something for SmatZ petern 11:54:58 <tosse> Celestar: it doesnt really matter, you can't really reach over 100Mbps anyway :) 11:55:09 <Sacro> does www.google.com/translate come up in russian for anyone else? 11:55:30 <dihedral> the output is the same in any language 11:55:33 <dihedral> all gibberish 11:58:29 <Sacro> hmm 12:00:23 <dihedral> so... central auth system..... 12:01:27 <Sacro> Indeed 12:01:32 <Sacro> we'll call him Brian 12:03:19 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:04:03 <Rubidium> dihedral: where's the trust? 12:04:26 <dihedral> well, that'd be the thing to find out :-P 12:04:38 <dihedral> in the openttd server authing :-P 12:04:44 <dihedral> i would trust that :-D 12:05:15 <petern> you'd need a ticketing system 12:05:37 <dihedral> ? 12:05:41 <dihedral> why is that? 12:05:43 <petern> authentication tickets 12:06:26 <dihedral> "please hold while we connect you to your personal authorisation member of staff" 12:06:27 <Rubidium> what do you want to achieve with 'central authentication'? 12:06:58 <dihedral> trust :-D 12:07:43 <petern> game server gets a ticket from auth server, then passes ticket to client, client authenticates with auth server to validate ticket, server veries with auth server 12:07:46 <petern> OR SOMETHING 12:08:00 <Sacro> WELL ALRIGHT THEN 12:09:09 <Rubidium> trust isn't what you want to achieve and if you want trust then a central authentication system is not what you need (as you need to trust that and everybody could get an account there, trustworthy and untrustworthy entities) 12:09:44 <Rubidium> so there is no trust in the authentication system 12:09:52 <dihedral> no 12:10:05 <dihedral> i mean trust in knowing the person is who he claims to be 12:10:14 <Rubidium> well, not in case of OpenTTD as there's no root trust authority that only adds trustworthy things 12:10:55 <dihedral> true 12:10:58 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:11:04 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:11:42 <Rubidium> e.g. there is someone with the username 'dihedral' in the content system and one in this IRC channel. How can I be sure both are the same entity? 12:12:18 <dihedral> hehe 12:12:31 <dihedral> ldap.openttd.org :-D 12:13:11 <Rubidium> so how do I know someone called 'dihedral' in the 'central auth system' is the same as the one in this IRC channel? 12:13:41 <dihedral> that would be cross-system 12:13:56 <dihedral> you have no influence on irc, so that would be a silly link 12:13:57 <dihedral> but 12:14:05 <dihedral> 2 clients on different games 12:14:20 <petern> run a custom irc server that requires central authentication :D 12:14:27 <dihedral> :-P 12:16:16 <Rubidium> even then, one can't force people to use central authentication 12:17:10 <dihedral> sure 12:17:14 <dihedral> why not? 12:17:21 <dihedral> it could be defined by the server 12:18:31 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9D363.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 12:20:29 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=41687 <--- wow. Thick and ignorant. 12:25:28 <Eddi|zuHause> i think we need a GUI setting for chosing the graphics pack 12:25:34 <planetmaker> dihedral: but what would you win by having a centrai authentication system? I guess the chances that someone malicious logs into any server as dihedral or planetmaker are quite remote 12:27:06 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 12:27:07 <dihedral> not allowing them _on_ the server if they are not identified? + a better banning system? 12:27:11 <dihedral> ip really sucks :-P 12:28:16 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:28:27 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 12:28:39 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:29:09 *** Arthemax1 [~Arthemax@212251211109.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 12:29:17 <planetmaker> :) but then they'll just register as a different name... which basically forces openttd to maintain a database of dead nicks 12:30:29 <dihedral> :( 12:30:32 <dihedral> crap 12:30:38 <planetmaker> dihedral: I'd rather see that as a plug-in to ap :) 12:30:50 <dihedral> i still like the thought of donating money to the project to get an 'identidy' :-P 12:31:00 <dihedral> planetmaker, nope 12:31:01 <planetmaker> _That_ would be a good idea IMO as it allows every site to have their own registered and trusted players. 12:31:36 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm39.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 12:31:37 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:32:07 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:32:13 <dihedral> why then not have a global one? 12:32:50 *** Arthemax [~Arthemax@212251211109.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:34:15 <planetmaker> why? :) I don't want to need to register to play a game... 12:34:42 <dihedral> you would not have to 12:34:51 <dihedral> only to play on those servers that require it 12:34:57 <dihedral> which will never be all of them :-P 12:36:35 <planetmaker> but what's wrong with an AP module for authentication? 12:36:52 <dihedral> people are already connected before ap knows about them 12:37:44 <planetmaker> allow only registered IRC users 12:37:49 <planetmaker> kick the others 12:38:16 <dihedral> still, the client already joined the game before ap knows about it 12:38:41 <planetmaker> force them join spectator. Move them, if they're authenticated :D 12:38:47 <planetmaker> nice and complicated :D 12:38:51 <dihedral> hello? 12:39:00 <dihedral> they join _before_ ap knows about them 12:39:11 <dihedral> means, game already been paused, unpaused, etc. 12:39:13 <planetmaker> I understood that. 12:39:23 <dihedral> if that is a few slow clients its an annoying waste of time 12:39:43 <dihedral> (forcing them to join as spectator is already on my mind :-P) 12:42:09 <planetmaker> :) I think I might have seen such patch from you :P 12:42:35 <dihedral> hihi 12:42:47 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: you have a point certainly with a ingame switch :) 12:42:53 *** M4rk [~M4rk@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 12:42:55 <planetmaker> +n 12:42:57 *** M4rk is now known as Mark_ 12:43:19 <dihedral> planetmaker, the patch just needs to be written somewhat nicer than the last one 12:45:38 <planetmaker> dihedral: weren't you looking for a task for yourself? 12:45:50 <dihedral> hihi 12:45:52 <planetmaker> Or got another one: start with wwottdgd/3 :) 12:45:54 <dihedral> yes 12:45:59 <dihedral> no 12:46:12 <dihedral> the spectate model is nicer :-P 12:46:23 *** davis- [~iloveme@p5B28CF7A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:46:31 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.98.67] has joined #openttd 12:46:48 <planetmaker> "spectate model"? You mean the task "writing join as spectator", or... watching others do wwottdgd/3? 12:47:20 <dihedral> no sorry 12:47:25 <dihedral> not model - wrong word 12:47:43 <dihedral> the setting to force players join a game as spectators 12:47:50 <dihedral> that one 12:47:53 <planetmaker> k 12:47:57 <planetmaker> :P 12:48:51 * dihedral is considering playing gothic 1 again 12:51:04 <planetmaker> http://www.planetsserver.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=4975#4975 <-- join that game :P 12:51:09 *** mikl [~mikl@90.184.195.240] has joined #openttd 12:53:24 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:55:34 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e180226189.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbierbar] 12:57:34 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:59:56 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.98.67] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Would you like to know more?] 13:12:08 *** smeding [smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 13:18:01 * dihedral whistles 13:18:40 <Rubidium> my ears! 13:21:41 * SpComb hungry 13:22:01 * Sacro briton 13:25:52 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 13:26:26 <petern> fern 13:26:34 <dihedral> nah 13:26:49 <Sacro> fern cerl? 13:26:54 * Sacro has is on mute 13:29:55 <petern> I wonder how Transport Empire is getting on. 13:30:15 <dihedral> or "Transporter" :-P 13:30:35 <planetmaker> hehe 13:34:52 <Sacro> hehe 13:35:01 <Sacro> i still have a copy of Transporter 13:35:02 <Sacro> and TTT 13:37:18 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:37:21 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:37:43 <dihedral> TTT = terrible terry tate 13:38:13 <Sacro> trains and trucks tycoon 13:38:25 <dihedral> lol 13:38:27 <dihedral> that is cute 13:38:43 <petern> http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=104913 13:38:48 <petern> Rollercoaster Tycoon? 13:38:52 <dihedral> TTTBSP 13:39:21 <dihedral> trains trams trucks busses ships and planes tycoon :-D 13:41:20 <Eddi|zuHause> i could never figure out how to properly build bridges in that game 13:42:17 <Eddi|zuHause> did they actually make final judgement meanwhile on that game? 13:43:35 <Eddi|zuHause> http://3dtt.novatek.de/thread-208.html <- hmm, looks like they did 14:04:21 <Aali> dihedral? 14:14:07 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 14:14:17 *** mikl [~mikl@90.184.195.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:19:01 <Sacro> auf englisch? 14:19:27 <petern> "Dead or faulty pixels occur when transistors responsible for the âswitch on/offâ mechanism in an LCD fail to operate." 14:19:31 <petern> heh 14:19:33 <petern> dead pixel policy 14:19:45 <petern> imagine if CPUs could have dead transistors... 14:20:02 <smeding> they can, but those are rejected after inspection 14:20:03 <smeding> :p 14:20:18 <smeding> silicon is recast to ingots, i guess 14:20:53 <smeding> actually i think some also might be sold as downgraded versions for some chips 14:20:53 <petern> yea 14:21:03 <petern> by "could have" i meant "could be sold with" 14:21:06 <petern> obviously 14:21:15 <smeding> ah yeah :p 14:21:58 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 14:22:37 *** energetic [~opera@ip82-139-119-221.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Quit: energetic] 14:24:47 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.98.67] has joined #openttd 14:26:53 *** lanaiya [~chatzilla@p4FF7482B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:31:46 <Belugas> Bump 14:31:59 <dihedral> lol 14:32:02 <welshdragon> pump 14:32:06 <Sacro> thump 14:32:11 <|Japa|> whump 14:32:36 <Sacro> smeding: yes, 3 core AMD processors are rejected 4 14:32:42 <Sacro> same with 2s i think as well 14:32:46 <Sacro> and the PS3 14:32:57 <petern> yes 14:34:54 <petern> http://bacolicio.us/http:/peta.org :D 14:35:48 <SmatZ> mmm bacon 14:35:54 <|Japa|> http://15.imagebam.com/dl.php?ID=25531397&sec=2d978d38539a35d5f0b87810cfc3d23b 14:35:59 <|Japa|> too spread out? 14:36:23 <Belugas> beacon 14:36:26 <Belugas> bib bib 14:38:12 *** ctibor [~ctibor@gprs5.vodafone.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:41:03 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm39.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:44:40 *** elmex [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:57:48 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.98.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:57:54 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@ip-67-205-67-52.static.privatedns.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:58:14 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@ip-67-205-67-52.static.privatedns.com] has joined #openttd 14:59:26 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm39.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 14:59:42 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:59:53 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 15:08:26 <dihedral> blah 15:08:27 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@ip-67-205-67-52.static.privatedns.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:08:43 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@ip-67-205-67-52.static.privatedns.com] has joined #openttd 15:10:40 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9D363.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:14:12 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@ip-67-205-67-52.static.privatedns.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:14:38 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@ip-67-205-67-52.static.privatedns.com] has joined #openttd 15:15:35 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@ip-67-205-67-52.static.privatedns.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:15:49 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@ip-67-205-67-52.static.privatedns.com] has joined #openttd 15:18:01 *** elmex [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has joined #openttd 15:23:52 *** lanaiya [~chatzilla@p4FF7482B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]] 15:28:13 *** worldemar [~world@213.178.38.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:28:26 *** worldemar [~world@213.178.38.135] has joined #openttd 15:34:45 *** joepie91 [~s@cadart.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 15:39:24 *** lanaiya [~chatzilla@p4FF7482B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:40:18 <lanaiya> hi, is it normal that plains crash all the time even if the desasters option is turned off? 15:40:41 <Yexo> yes, but it's much worse if you send big planes to small airports 15:41:32 <lanaiya> hmm ok thx 15:41:44 *** ctibor [~ctibor@gprs5.vodafone.cz] has joined #openttd 15:42:19 <lanaiya> and which kind of desasters are turned off with that option exactly :) 15:42:29 <dihedral> desasters, eg. ufo's 15:42:37 <Yexo> http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Disasters 15:43:13 <Yexo> lanaiya: you were talking about crashing planes, right? Not only breaking down? 15:43:25 <Yexo> there is a seperate option to turn breakdowns off 15:43:33 <lanaiya> no i mean crashing on landing 15:43:44 <Yexo> ok, that can't be disabled 15:43:44 <lanaiya> with xxx deaths 15:43:49 <lanaiya> ah ok 15:45:03 <dihedral> lanaiya, dont fill you planes so full, then you wont have as many casulties :-P 15:45:33 <lanaiya> well well time is money :P 15:45:46 <lanaiya> and the gas does not get cheaper either 15:46:57 *** mikl [~mikl@80.199.116.190.static.peytz.dk] has joined #openttd 15:48:51 *** xije [~xije@193.43.249.169] has joined #openttd 15:53:20 <michi_cc> Eddi|zuHause: tried the advance signals patch already? 15:53:46 <Eddi|zuHause> no, i'm kinda busy 15:54:19 <dihedral> michi_cc, what does it do? 15:54:33 <Eddi|zuHause> it adds advance (yellow) signals 15:54:34 <michi_cc> implements advance singnals 15:54:45 <dihedral> ...? 15:55:12 <dihedral> and they are...? 15:55:16 <Eddi|zuHause> yellow 15:55:24 <dihedral> ! 15:55:39 <dihedral> yes - i picked up on that one 15:56:06 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=38871&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a 15:56:35 * dihedral reads 15:58:00 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: from __future__ import antigravity] 15:58:21 <dihedral> nice :-) 15:58:38 <petern> yeah, what tekky wrote there is what we need 15:58:49 *** TrueBrain [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 15:58:54 <TrueBrain> Belugas: IT IS SNOWING HERE!!! 15:58:57 <TrueBrain> (hehehehehe, sorry :p) 15:59:17 <petern> yellow signals are just an extra signal state of standard signals 15:59:40 <Eddi|zuHause> speaking of which, where is goodger? he always wanted snow 15:59:54 <petern> i pissed him off yesterday :D 16:00:24 <TrueBrain> again? :p 16:00:26 <TrueBrain> or still? 16:00:50 * Belugas is very hapy for TrueBrain :) 16:01:05 <michi_cc> petern: my patch has combo signals that act a bit like this (just not on braking distance but on the state of the next signal). it has stand-alone advance signals as well, can be used for priority thingies 16:01:14 * TrueBrain hugs Belugas :) 16:01:52 <TrueBrain> Belugas: which reminds me .. in 17 days I am going to the REAL snow :) Boarding for 7 whole days ... oh jolly days :) 16:02:04 <TrueBrain> well .. glad I had that shared ;) Bye all :) 16:02:07 *** TrueBrain [truebrain@openttd.org] has left #openttd [So long and tnx for all the fish] 16:04:09 *** Wolle [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0FD49.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.lagerwiki.de - das Wiki rund um's Thema Lager und Logistik] 16:04:27 <dihedral> michi_cc, placing signals is gonna be getting a real pain up the fuzzy 16:06:17 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85ea47.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:07:40 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc27e.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:07:42 <michi_cc> dihedral: why? the combo signals have most of the advantages of the stand-alone signal and are a normal pbs signal as well 16:07:58 <dihedral> oh? 16:08:00 <dihedral> interesting 16:08:12 <petern> why does it need a new type then? heh 16:08:44 <michi_cc> they are tri-state signals: red as before, yellow if the path is free but the next signal red, green if a path over two signals could be made 16:09:07 <michi_cc> because there's surely somebody that doesn't like it :-p 16:09:22 <petern> they use block signals anyway ;) 16:09:39 <Belugas> what a shame :( 16:09:49 <Belugas> what a scotland's shame :) 16:09:52 * Belugas hinds 16:09:54 <michi_cc> the stand-alone advance signal can be used for priorities, every signal encountered will try to reserve on further signal block 16:09:55 <Belugas> hides 16:10:00 * petern digs out winamp 16:10:11 <petern> track 8 16:10:23 <petern> 8 minutes 16:10:33 <petern> hmm 16:10:37 <petern> maybe i should start from 1... 16:11:17 <Belugas> you could :) 16:11:27 <Belugas> warm emotions 16:11:35 <Belugas> god I LOVE that record! 16:12:20 <petern> i haven't watched the dvd yet 16:14:02 <Eddi|zuHause> in a "realistic" network, most signals are combo 16:15:03 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:15:12 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 16:16:01 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5DDF9.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:18:08 * planetmaker hugs michi_cc for another nice signaling feature :) 16:18:24 <planetmaker> I guess I'll give the patches a try tonight :) 16:21:07 <Belugas> dvd is a bit boring 16:21:25 <Belugas> the video of black cat is not bad, but the two other version are ... 16:21:27 <Belugas> boff 16:21:52 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:24:31 *** Wolle [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0FD49.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:27:55 <Belugas> oh... 16:28:01 <dihedral> ...ho 16:28:12 <Belugas> lies..there is a video about the band itself, like on the road and stuff 16:28:23 <Belugas> it was actually very intersting 16:28:34 <Belugas> only major problem for me was the accent 16:28:37 <Belugas> GOD!!! 16:28:45 <dihedral> planetmaker, did you see Mega's reply? :P 16:31:03 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 16:32:36 <petern> Belugas, well, that's a problem for anyone... 16:32:58 <Belugas> even you? 16:34:40 <petern> I assume... I didn't watch it. 16:36:16 *** OwenS [~Akiramena@host86-164-125-149.range86-164.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:39:46 <Belugas> it's long, and there is not much action scenes :) 16:40:01 <Belugas> neither live actions too, that's a minus 16:40:10 <dihedral> no more comments to the undo knob thread :-( 16:40:39 <lanaiya> @ coders(if on's present): woundnt it be a good idea to adjust the zoom lvl for the map to support an overview of even the large maps? 16:41:07 <Roujin> laniya, do you mean the mini map? 16:41:11 <lanaiya> jop 16:41:54 <dihedral> nope 16:42:03 <Roujin> there were already tries to do that long time ago, but appearently none of those patches matured enough to be included into the game... 16:43:20 <Belugas> it's NTO A KNOB! 16:43:26 <Belugas> it's a button :) 16:43:30 <dihedral> :-P 16:43:31 <Roujin> it's NOT NTO! 16:43:37 <dihedral> LOL 16:43:38 <Belugas> hehehe 16:43:44 <lanaiya> oh im sorry to hear that. but it would be a nice feature though :/ 16:44:01 <dihedral> Belugas, i could start a thread, "ctrl+z" - i searched the forums, nothing came up :-D 16:45:53 <Roujin> e.g. here two patches that both tried to make zoomable smallmaps: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/54 http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1222 16:46:52 <Roujin> (you see the first one is ancient alone by its low task number ;)) 16:47:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F02A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:48:10 *** mikl [~mikl@80.199.116.190.static.peytz.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:50:38 <Rubidium> and broken 16:51:21 <petern> one day we'll have to write all our own patches 16:51:23 <petern> oh wait 16:51:40 <Belugas> we do :) 16:51:57 <Belugas> some do it not very fast nor frequently, 16:52:07 <Belugas> some do not even commit them once completed 16:52:33 <Belugas> some do not test not compile them before commiting (that would be me...) 16:54:00 <petern> :D 16:55:21 <Roujin> speaking about patches.. I wonder if SmatZ is doing anything with my GUIList filtering patch 16:58:19 *** Elukka [~elukka.el@bb-89-166-45-150.dsl.phnet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:58:30 <Rubidium> ofcourse he's doing something 16:58:41 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85ea47.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:58:46 <Rubidium> including testing, compilig, reviewing and ignoring 16:59:21 <Elukka> o_O 16:59:25 <Elukka> how can a torrent file be 100 kb... 16:59:27 <Roujin_> I hope more of the previous and less of the latter :D 16:59:35 <Elukka> someone found a 86400x43200 heightmap of the world :D 17:00:18 <Elukka> and nasa has it as a torrent... i'm sure we all know how well torrents work with things only very few people download 17:00:51 <dihedral> are you at it again? 17:01:16 <Elukka> not really 17:05:08 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85ea47.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:06:05 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:09:33 <OwenS> Elukka: They work well if they have a good seeder :p 17:10:05 <Elukka> sure, but something like a nasa world heightmap is bound not to have many seeds :P 17:10:26 <OwenS> NASA should be seeding it then :P 17:17:03 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e181182235.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:22:37 <dihedral> and NASA is a fat-ass seed 17:22:52 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 17:24:35 <Elukka> apparently the reason its not a direct download is not a lack of resources, but because downloads got interrupted by maintenance, so they could well seed it... 17:29:27 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:29:56 <dihedral> wget -c 17:34:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15323 /trunk/bin/ (ai/regression/run.sh scripts/): -Fix: regression backed up game_start.scr but didn't/couldn't restore it. 17:34:23 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 17:35:32 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-183-149.popl.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 17:36:30 *** ctibor [~ctibor@gprs5.vodafone.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:36:31 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:38:28 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:39:43 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 17:41:28 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:42:53 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8026A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:44:28 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80354.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:44:29 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 17:44:30 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:44:41 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 17:47:10 <Eddi|zuHause> <Elukka> how can a torrent file be 100 kb... <- why would a torrent file like this be extraordinary? 17:47:46 <Elukka> i dont think i was really thinking 17:48:09 <Eddi|zuHause> biggest torrent file i spontaneously found is 500kb 17:49:20 <FauxFaux> If it's that big then you should probably rar it then torrent the rar. *stabs people in the face* 17:49:54 <Eddi|zuHause> FauxFaux: multi-part rar, please. 17:50:19 <TinoDidriksen> Oh gods I hate those... 17:50:24 <FauxFaux> With recovery information, just in case you're using one of those torrent clients that doesn't bother hashing stuff. 17:53:51 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:54:51 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 17:55:02 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:55:13 <Eddi|zuHause> for the record, the 500kb file compresses to 29% 17:56:55 *** xije [~xije@193.43.249.169] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:57:58 <TinoDidriksen> Doesn't later versions of the .torrent format allow for compression, actually? I recall reading something about that. Or could be a vendor trick. 17:59:20 <Zahl> hey i have a question about pbs 17:59:29 <Zahl> there are one-way and two-way pbs signals 17:59:31 <TinoDidriksen> In either case, rar is the wrong format to use. For anything. 17:59:46 <Zahl> but why doesn't the two-way pbs signal look like a normal two-way signal 17:59:52 <Zahl> with lights in both directions? 17:59:57 <Zahl> it seems to work just like that 18:00:05 <Zahl> so what did i miss? =) 18:00:05 <Eddi|zuHause> Zahl: because it is a signal only in one way 18:00:16 <Eddi|zuHause> it just allows passing (but not stopping) in the other way 18:00:38 <Eddi|zuHause> which would be stupid, because it only causes deadlocks 18:01:00 <Zahl> hmmm now that you say that 18:01:03 <Zahl> its plausible 18:01:17 <Zahl> ok :-) 18:01:35 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:01:35 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 18:08:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r15324 /trunk/ (10 files in 7 dirs): -Codechange: unify the class used for comparing of strings for std::map 18:09:40 *** fjb [~frank@p5485EDB6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 18:10:39 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-234-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:11:01 <Wolf01> hello 18:12:27 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 18:14:02 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:14:17 <Belugas> olleh 10floW 18:14:18 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 18:15:40 <Wolf01> I can easily beat you on writing that way 18:16:11 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:17:02 <Rubidium> haey 18:17:04 <SmatZ> 10É1oÊ o11ÇÉ¥ 18:17:16 <el_en> night Wolf01 18:17:48 <Wolf01> lol, no that one is not in my knowledge 18:20:46 *** ctibor [~ctibor@12-23-80-78.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 18:24:03 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:30:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r15325 /trunk/src/lang/ (german.txt korean.txt unfinished/hebrew.txt): 18:30:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-02-03 18:29:45 18:30:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 1 fixed by tucalipe (1) 18:30:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 4 changed by planetmaker (3), hellow (1) 18:30:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: hebrew - 615 fixed, 54 changed by 19izhar73 (669) 18:30:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: korean - 6 changed by darkttd (6) 18:30:24 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:30:26 *** ctibor [~ctibor@12-23-80-78.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 18:31:13 *** ctibor [~ctibor@12-23-80-78.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 18:32:40 <dihedral> hebrew? what a work horse! 18:32:46 <dihedral> 615 things fixed 18:32:52 <dihedral> yikes 18:33:00 <dihedral> planetmaker, keep up dog :-D 18:35:56 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.193.91] has joined #openttd 18:38:00 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: from __future__ import antigravity] 18:39:57 <Belugas> ho... look... here come's Local Authority! 18:41:10 <petern> who what? 18:41:16 <Prof_Frink> "come's"? 18:41:32 * Prof_Frink stabs Belugas with an apostrophe 18:42:30 <Belugas> blablabla 18:43:08 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.180.223] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:43:52 <petern> Hmm 18:44:46 <petern> I've not used this laptop for so long, it still has the engine pool in my working copy. 18:45:11 <petern> struct stationview_d { uint32 cargo; }; 18:45:20 <petern> Okay, that's an old and obsolete working copy too... 18:45:34 <petern> 12407. Ah. 18:45:43 <frosch123> hehe, when I boot win, I can play ottd 0.4.0.1 or so 18:46:02 <petern> :D 18:46:07 <Wolf01> I still have some r4xxx checkouts 18:46:32 <Wolf01> very old patches never finished 18:46:49 <Wolf01> like all my other patches 18:47:39 <petern> The third working copy has the YAPP patch applied... 18:49:23 <petern> Hmm, station animation patches 18:49:56 <Wolf01> and any sloped stations with working graphics? 18:50:09 <petern> Nope 18:51:26 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:51:43 <Wolf01> adding newstation support to road stations was not so easy as I thought initially 18:52:24 <frosch123> do you have to do more than increasing a constant in sprites.h ? 18:52:54 *** Roujin__ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85ea47.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 18:53:01 <frosch123> or do you want more than adding the sloped dtrs to action5 ? 18:53:05 <patchie> how do i make my trains go one-way?... 18:53:17 <patchie> so trains cant go the other direction 18:53:19 <Wolf01> I don't know anything of the graphics drawing, I only know the transparency code and a little of guis 18:53:25 <Wolf01> use signals 18:53:32 <patchie> what kind of signals? 18:53:40 <frosch123> patchie: place a signal, and click two or three times on the tile 18:53:40 <Wolf01> one way ones 18:54:24 <patchie> hmm.. 18:54:32 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 18:56:19 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:58:53 <patchie> thanks 18:59:10 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85ea47.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:00:08 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:00:35 <frosch123> patchie, petern: one of you has to change his colour or the shape of the nick 19:00:38 <frosch123> :p 19:01:10 <patchie> :P 19:03:13 <Prof_Frink> frosch123: Why? They're different colours and different lengths 19:04:00 <frosch123> if i shall look so close to see that, then I can as well read it 19:04:43 <frosch123> and 'reading', well, who does that? 19:04:52 <Eddi|zuHause> i agree with frosch123 19:10:16 *** Mek [~marijn@93.157.1.37] has joined #openttd 19:12:07 <Mek> hmm... are there any known issues with certain gcc-versions/architectures and optimizations? openttd is crashing in weird ways when I compile with -O2, but with -O0 it works just fine (this is on an ARM device) 19:14:40 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:15:19 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:18:19 <petern> Who's smashing the servers up? :o 19:18:45 <frosch123> the whole power is needed for compiling :p 19:19:57 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:20:44 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B74F20.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:21:28 <dihedral> petern, can we not go round some old servers, and crash them? 19:21:52 <dihedral> it'll make them vanish from the list and make sure only the non-deserted ones come back :-D 19:21:53 <NukeBuster> openttd.org down? 19:22:35 <frosch123> NukeBuster: can be seen by dorpsgek's absence 19:22:45 <NukeBuster> ah, thank you :) 19:23:57 *** energetic [~opera@ip82-139-119-221.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 19:25:15 <Mek> http://93.157.1.37/~marijn/openttd_maemo.png <-- yay, finally got openttd to work on maemo 19:25:26 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77CDE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:26:16 <el_en> nice 19:26:17 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: AS A VAGINA ONCE SAID: <yorick> SOMEONE BAN HIM] 19:26:49 <Mek> even without compiler optimizations, it still runs quite smooth 19:28:32 <petern> Shame it's an old version... 19:29:39 <Mek> hmm? isn't 0.6.3 the most recent version? 19:30:09 <Elukka> the most recent stable 19:30:16 <Elukka> since then there have been a huge number of nightlies 19:30:40 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 19:30:43 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 19:31:30 <el_en> DorpsGek! 19:31:46 <el_en> @seen DorpsGek 19:31:46 <DorpsGek> el_en: I have not seen DorpsGek. 19:32:34 <Mek> okay, so it is the most recent release; I don't think it makes much sense to package nightly snapshots if there aren't even packages of a released version yet 19:42:02 <dihedral> Mek, now get the working with the nightlies and maintain it :-P 19:42:31 <Mek> dihedral: first I want to get it working properly/somewhat integrated with maemo 19:42:40 <Mek> right now it doesn't even show up in the list of running apps 19:42:51 <dihedral> nasty 19:42:59 <dihedral> what is that system anyway? 19:43:02 <dihedral> never heard of it 19:43:09 *** mode/#openttd [+v Osai] by DorpsGek 19:43:28 <Mek> it is the linux variant running on the nokia internet tablets (n800/n810) 19:44:03 <dihedral> ah 19:47:51 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 19:50:02 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-183-149.popl.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 19:56:42 *** mikl [~mikl@90.184.195.240] has joined #openttd 20:04:41 *** doc [~doc@S01060018f8599145.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: AT&T. Your world. Delivered. To the NSA. No questions asked. | "Diplomacy is hard sometimes." - Dick Cheney] 20:05:41 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 20:06:07 <el_en> http://qdb.us/53151 20:07:41 <petern> Sad :( 20:07:43 *** Elukka [~elukka.el@bb-89-166-45-150.dsl.phnet.fi] has quit [] 20:08:25 <frosch123> next time the will notice, that he should have piped it into a file 20:19:06 *** glm2006ITALY [~glm2006IT@81-208-36-95.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #openttd 20:19:10 <glm2006ITALY> hello 20:24:37 <Belugas> http://qdb.us/29230 (thanks to Wolf01) - excluded Dalestan, of course :) 20:25:09 <Wolf01> http://qdb.us/5300 maybe in future I should try this one 20:26:07 <Rubidium> oh Bjarni... 20:26:58 <Rubidium> Wolf01, meet glm2006ITALY... he speaks Italian too ;) 20:27:13 <Wolf01> really? I don't :( 20:27:22 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:27:40 <Rubidium> then don't leach of an Italian ISP ;) 20:29:15 <Wolf01> I know him, he's an user of my forum ;) 20:30:09 <Wolf01> or at least, he registered to my forum, where I'm the only one which talks 20:30:53 <Belugas> well... if yu claim you don't speak italian and you have users from Italy in your forum... i mean... is it surprising??? 20:31:00 <Belugas> =yu + you 20:31:06 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:31:08 <Belugas> my manners... 20:31:34 <Wolf01> I use google translator for both itaGlian and engRish 20:32:31 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:33:33 <Mortal> lol, "itaglian", haven't heard that before 20:34:15 <welshdragon> don't shout that out too loud, or Sacro will be after you :P 20:34:56 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0F560.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:35:46 <Sacro> ? 20:35:53 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm39.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:36:17 <welshdragon> Sacro: read Wolf01's last line :p 20:37:44 *** `Ka [~teab0y@79-67-190-245.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 20:38:16 <`Ka> hi guys I have a question, been looking on forums and googling but havn't found any answers, good to ask? 20:38:27 <Yexo> just ask what you want to know 20:38:44 <Wolf01> what's the meaning of life? 20:38:47 <Rubidium> 42 20:39:01 <Wolf01> doh 20:39:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r15326 /trunk/src/ (aircraft_cmd.cpp roadveh_cmd.cpp ship_cmd.cpp): -Fix: Old-ai-ishm when refitting vehicles. 20:40:06 <`Ka> haha 20:40:14 <`Ka> ok so basically i have a scenario, towns, etc all good 20:40:17 <`Ka> and a rail link 20:40:30 <`Ka> but it doesnt seem to matter wht i do, my towns always decrease in population 20:40:52 <`Ka> and so once where rail stations and bus stations were in the middle of a residential district, they are no in amongst a network of abandoned roads 20:41:16 <Yexo> is the tile under the town name still a road tile? 20:41:36 <glm2006ITALY> hello 20:41:36 <`Ka> ya 20:41:41 <glm2006ITALY> yes speak italian 20:41:43 *** Wolle [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0FD49.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:41:47 <glm2006ITALY> I'm italy boy!!! :D 20:41:48 <Wolf01> hi glm2006ITALY 20:42:04 <glm2006ITALY> Wolf01... ma non hai un forum in italia? 20:42:22 <Yexo> `Ka: can you upload your savegame somewhere? 20:42:25 <glm2006ITALY> Wolf you have a italy forum? 20:42:29 <Wolf01> mmm, forse si :D 20:42:34 <glm2006ITALY> a ecco 20:42:40 <glm2006ITALY> senti io alla fine ci ho rinunciato 20:42:45 <Wolf01> lol 20:42:48 <glm2006ITALY> non riuscivo più ad accedete 20:42:51 <glm2006ITALY> ops accedere 20:42:56 <glm2006ITALY> non mi inviava più 20:43:04 <glm2006ITALY> i dati di accesso.. ed ho perso il link 20:43:05 <glm2006ITALY> :( 20:43:30 <`Ka> yexo i can put it on yousendit? 20:43:53 <Yexo> I don't really care where you put it 20:44:01 <welshdragon> glm2006ITALY: english please? 20:44:22 <Yexo> but yousendit seems to require an email adres, right? 20:44:38 <Yexo> just open a topic on http://www.tt-forums.net with your savegame attached 20:44:43 <Yexo> or send me a pm there 20:44:48 <`Ka> I tell you what, I have dinner in the oven and a shower. I won't pester you with your time right now, i shall come back in an hour or so and if you are still here Id appreciate any input you have immensley, but I shan't upload now as I will have to go in 5minutes anyway 20:45:14 <`Ka> i guess if its on the forum actally you could give me a reply to the thread if im not here, ill do that :d 20:45:46 <glm2006ITALY> ok... but i'dont speak very good english :( 20:46:30 <SmatZ> almost nobody here speaks italian 20:46:49 *** elmex [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:46:51 *** elmex [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has joined #openttd 20:47:17 <glm2006ITALY> ok i use automatic traslate ;) 20:47:52 <glm2006ITALY> I wanted to ask: 20:48:04 <glm2006ITALY> What do I need to rebuild the streets of towns / cities? 20:48:15 <glm2006ITALY> please speak very simple english 20:48:58 <SmatZ> rebuild? 20:49:13 <SmatZ> what do you mean by "rebuild"? 20:49:18 <glm2006ITALY> recostruction 20:49:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Yexo * r15327 /trunk/src/ai/ (ai_instance.cpp ai_instance.hpp): -Fix (r15027): AIs could access the map and other data in their constructor and Load() function while the savegame was not completely loaded. 20:49:31 <frosch123> "Fund local road reconstruction" is available from the town window 20:49:33 <glm2006ITALY> error automatic teraslate 20:49:42 <welshdragon> click on the town name 20:49:48 <glm2006ITALY> ok 20:49:52 <SmatZ> yeah, but "Fund local road reconstruction" doesn't do anything useful :-p 20:50:00 <SmatZ> except from blocking all roadvehs in that town... 20:50:01 <welshdragon> choose 'fund local road....' 20:50:14 <glm2006ITALY> but utility the operation? 20:50:36 <welshdragon> glm2006ITALY: you want new roads? 20:50:48 <welshdragon> or rebuild old? 20:51:05 <glm2006ITALY> original roads the city and my roads 20:51:51 <glm2006ITALY> what serves to reconstruct? 20:52:08 <welshdragon> non preoccupatevi 20:52:18 <welshdragon> google ftw 20:52:32 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.107.221] has joined #openttd 20:52:53 <welshdragon> glm2006ITALY: le strade non hanno bisogno di essere costruito di nuovo 20:53:41 <planetmaker> English only :P 20:53:51 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5DDF9.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:53:58 <glm2006ITALY> altro italiano? 20:54:01 <glm2006ITALY> che bello! 20:54:07 <welshdragon> glm2006ITALY: no 20:54:11 <glm2006ITALY> why? 20:54:26 <welshdragon> Sto utilizzando Google 20:54:31 <glm2006ITALY> beh almeno conosci la mia lingua ;) 20:54:34 <el_en> yeah welshdragon, why aren't you italian? 20:54:37 <glm2006ITALY> google traslate? 20:54:41 <welshdragon> yes 20:54:57 *** glm2006ITALY [~glm2006IT@81-208-36-95.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 20:55:08 <welshdragon> argh 20:55:14 <welshdragon> he left! 20:55:17 *** glm2006ITALY [~glm2006IT@81-208-36-95.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #openttd 20:55:23 <welshdragon> el_en: i might learn italian 20:55:24 <glm2006ITALY> problem adsl :( 20:55:41 <welshdragon> it's similar to french and spanish 20:56:51 <frosch123> learn latin :p 20:56:58 <glm2006ITALY> yes... but difference 20:57:00 <welshdragon> feck no 20:57:23 <glm2006ITALY> differences exist 20:57:23 <welshdragon> now, how to /invite in colloquy 20:57:32 <glm2006ITALY> why? 20:57:44 <glm2006ITALY> you? 20:57:53 <glm2006ITALY> pv colloquy? 20:58:06 <welshdragon> yes, i want to talk in italian to you 20:59:02 <welshdragon> heh, that solved the problem 21:01:19 *** ctibor [~ctibor@12-23-80-78.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:01:46 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9D363.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 21:02:01 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc27e.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:04:01 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:05:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Yexo * r15328 /trunk/src/ai/ai_instance.cpp: -Fix (r15327): Load(data, version) was called instead of Load(version, data). 21:06:20 * welshdragon is helpful 21:06:32 <welshdragon> and resourceful 21:07:35 <Wolf01> hey you, does the fund road reconstruction has any other effect than block competitors' vehicles? 21:07:58 <welshdragon> erm, no 21:08:15 <welshdragon> it's just a great way to annoy people 21:09:22 <welshdragon> hmm, before i go and suggest this.... can bridges be built over buildings? 21:09:30 <welshdragon> (similar to locomotion) 21:10:02 <Wolf01> yes, just disable some checks like I do when I need to build something where I can't 21:10:32 <welshdragon> heh, ok 21:10:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15329 /3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel/sqvm.cpp: [Squirrel] -Fix: properly clear the stack on returning so that AI*Modes actually have a chance of working in functions without going through hoops. 21:11:02 <Roujin__> Wolf01, welshdragon: if the advanced option "remove absurd roadbits during road construction" is activated, yes it has. 21:11:20 <`Ka> i sent pm yexi 21:13:41 <el_en> una macchina tutti le stazione gelato. 21:13:58 <glm2006ITALY> italian? 21:14:09 <glm2006ITALY> el_en 21:14:21 <el_en> no. i have studied it very very little very very long time ago. 21:14:52 <Wolf01> you wrote "one machine all station iced" 21:15:04 <glm2006ITALY> station ice cream? 21:15:12 <el_en> precisely 21:15:16 <glm2006ITALY> :| 21:15:46 <el_en> but i bet it sounded very convincing to those who do not know italian. 21:15:56 <Wolf01> ahahah 21:15:58 <kd5pbo> el_en: Nope 21:16:54 <glm2006ITALY> ah ah ah 21:17:03 <glm2006ITALY> but you english? 21:17:22 <el_en> sono finlandese 21:17:40 <glm2006ITALY> ok 21:17:56 <glm2006ITALY> europ :) 21:18:09 <glm2006ITALY> good bye 21:18:16 *** glm2006ITALY [~glm2006IT@81-208-36-95.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 21:21:42 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 21:24:09 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:26:57 *** SmoovTruck [~imptruck@174-156-0-143.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Quit: "The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." --Bertrand Russell] 21:27:49 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9D363.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:30:34 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:45:02 <planetmaker> michi_cc, what actually is the use of the path combo signals in the patch you posted last night? 21:49:01 *** mufafidov [~mufafidov@193.43.249.169] has joined #openttd 21:50:28 *** SmoovTruck [~imptruck@174-156-102-204.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #openttd 21:50:29 <michi_cc> planetmaker: realism (if you want that), making a priority line, fun (or so if you combine it with advance_slowdown_hack.diff) because trains then slow down on yellow signals and can overrun red ones (but it is a hack) 21:50:36 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:50:53 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:51:47 <planetmaker> ok... so without that additional patch they don't really serve a purpose? 21:52:05 <planetmaker> Because running it on a circle line it basically is the same as no signal... 21:53:03 <michi_cc> they look pretty. and you can give trains on a line priority over joining trains for example (also possible with the stand-alone signal of course, but two signals to place) 21:53:07 <planetmaker> while the exits... kinda make trains reserve two signal distances as it seems to me 21:53:38 <planetmaker> uhm... I tried to fabricate exactly that priority... 21:53:50 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by caffein depletion...] 21:54:00 <planetmaker> But to trains following on that line, they're red, thus stop and cannot follow the previous train anymore. 21:55:30 <michi_cc> it's not an absolute priority, trains from a sideline can still join just after a train on the mainline went past, but it the mainline train can reserve the junction ahead of time 21:56:22 <planetmaker> michi_cc: yes. I see that. But a 2nd train on the ML cannot follow the first without the same distance as the length of the priority 21:56:35 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-154-75.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:56:44 <planetmaker> e.g. it will wait at the start of the priority until the 1st train is past the exit signal 21:57:29 <planetmaker> But I have the feeling that I just don' t get there something :) 21:59:51 <planetmaker> http://www.openttdcoop.org/files/pm/patches/Kokkek%C3%B8bing%20Transport,%201978-05-20.png <-- assuming a situation like that 22:00:17 <planetmaker> upper line shall continue unharmed, lower line shall enter, if possible without stopping the upper 22:00:52 <planetmaker> using the combo signals a train reserves straigt to the exit... and the subsequent train stops at the entry 22:01:07 <dihedral> good night 22:01:11 <planetmaker> night dihedral 22:01:14 <SmatZ> good night dihedral 22:01:18 <Yexo> night dihedral 22:03:12 *** davis- [~iloveme@p5B28CF7A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:04:07 *** lanaiya [~chatzilla@p4FF7482B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]] 22:07:01 <michi_cc> what's the real problem in your screenshot? the entering train on the upper line can pass the next signal as soon as the train in front as passed the signal 22:07:35 <michi_cc> it doesn't work properly of course if you use the speed hack, but that really is just a hack 22:08:30 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9D363.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 22:12:39 *** energetic [~opera@ip82-139-119-221.lijbrandt.net] has left #openttd [] 22:13:52 <michi_cc> something simple like this http://www.icosahedron.de/openttd/patches/O'Donnell%20&%20Co.,%2021st%20May%201944.png 22:14:09 <michi_cc> not a very good screenshot though, it is a bit forced :) 22:15:30 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85ea47.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 22:16:07 <planetmaker> michi_cc: I haven't installed the speed hack 22:16:10 *** energetic [~opera@ip82-139-119-221.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 22:16:31 <planetmaker> and the "problem" I have is, that I fail to actually make a prio 22:16:47 <planetmaker> a prio which differs from a signal gap on the main line 22:17:04 <petern> what you need is a signal controller... 22:18:03 <SmatZ> whole m2 can be available for track with signals ;) 22:19:09 <petern> can be? 22:19:10 *** Roujin__ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85ea47.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:19:59 <SmatZ> 12 bits of m2 are used, but they can be moved to m6 and m7 22:20:06 <petern> oh, just shuffling... 22:20:37 <planetmaker> :) 22:21:18 <petern> SignalPool? :o 22:21:27 <petern> Any amount of signal states... 22:21:28 <petern> Hah 22:21:44 <petern> Performance through the floor... 22:21:51 <planetmaker> michi_cc: my naive understanding of a pbs combo signal was that it allows reservation up to an exit signal - or as long as it can get a reservation using combos only 22:22:20 <planetmaker> well. not understanding. But rather expectation before I tested it :) 22:22:52 *** fjb [~frank@p5485EDB6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:22:53 <petern> I chose horses 22:23:07 <fjb> For eating? 22:23:23 <planetmaker> kinda a "reserve as far as you can or until you hit an exit" signal :) 22:23:53 <planetmaker> in anycase the signals look very nice :) 22:24:11 <petern> what would that achieve? 22:26:27 <Wolf01> headache? 22:27:11 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85ea47.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]] 22:28:48 <petern> WE'RE NO HERE 22:29:13 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- s0 d4Mn l33t |t'z 5c4rY!] 22:29:14 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:29:40 <planetmaker> petern: what was your question directed at? 22:30:33 <planetmaker> if it referred to the signal type I described: priority for the line which they are built upon 22:31:18 <SmatZ> petern: not all signals would need to be in the pool... in fact, only very few 22:31:42 <planetmaker> :P 22:33:11 <petern> planetmaker, what is an "exit" signal then? 22:33:14 <michi_cc> planetmaker: that would require there to be an exit signal 22:33:36 <planetmaker> petern: one of the new signals michi introduced 22:33:46 <planetmaker> or actually any other :) 22:33:59 <planetmaker> depends upon implementation. :) 22:34:36 <michi_cc> the main difference to a signal gap is that with a combo signal trains don't need to have a gap when the junction is occupied 22:35:18 <michi_cc> placing stand-alone advance signals will cause the path to get to one further signal for each advance signal 22:35:54 <planetmaker> ok. That's what I figured with the exit signals 22:36:21 <planetmaker> each combo continues reservation to next signal 22:37:07 <planetmaker> but I don't understand still this : 22:37:09 <planetmaker> [23:34] <michi_cc> the main difference to a signal gap is that with a combo signal trains don't need to have a gap when the junction is occupied 22:37:11 <michi_cc> like this I mean http://www.icosahedron.de/openttd/patches/O'Donnell%20&%20Co.,%2028th%20Apr%201944.png 22:37:53 <planetmaker> hm... that's interesting :) 22:38:25 * planetmaker goes back to testing things 22:38:51 <michi_cc> http://www.icosahedron.de/openttd/patches/O'Donnell%20&%20Co.,%2020th%20May%201944.png 22:39:21 <michi_cc> junction blocked, but trains on the main line can still queue as far as possible 22:40:06 <michi_cc> compare with the other pic (http://www.icosahedron.de/openttd/patches/O'Donnell%20&%20Co.,%2021st%20May%201944.png) 22:40:34 <michi_cc> with a gap in signalling, waiting trains would also have such a gap 22:40:52 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-183-149.popl.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 22:42:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15330 /trunk/ (10 files in 4 dirs): -Fix [FS#2597]: leaking of Squirrel when using circular references (by enabling the GC). 22:42:57 <planetmaker> http://www.icosahedron.de/openttd/patches/O%27Donnell%20&%20Co.,%2028th%20Apr%201944.png <-- if I understand this correctly, the number of combo signals defines how many "normal" path signals are reserved ahead? 22:43:27 <michi_cc> that's not a combo signal 22:43:51 <michi_cc> that are pure advane signals, i.e. trains will never stop there 22:44:24 <michi_cc> (ignore the single combo further up) 22:44:49 <`Ka> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=41693 22:44:52 <michi_cc> three advance signals = three track sections reserved 22:44:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, simple advance signals increase the "lookahead" +1 signal, combo signals act as normal signals, so the lookahead is not changed (+/-0), normal signals do not extend the lookahead, so it is reduced (-1) 22:44:57 <`Ka> any ideas on this anyone? 22:45:25 <michi_cc> almost, Eddi, the first combo signal does a +1 22:45:30 <Wolf01> 'night 22:45:37 <planetmaker> sorry. whenever I wrote combo I should have written advance :S 22:45:38 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-234-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:45:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, yes ;) 22:45:55 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 22:46:19 <Eddi|zuHause> those are corner cases 22:46:27 <planetmaker> ok, so the small signal with yellow is advance signal, right? 22:46:38 *** smeding [smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:46:51 <michi_cc> but do note that this "lookahead depth" is not saved or anything, if reservation failed on passing the signal, it won't magically appear later 22:46:52 <planetmaker> And the path signal with the yellow is the path combo signal in your terminology? 22:47:01 <planetmaker> ok 22:47:04 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggzzz 22:47:07 <michi_cc> use the info tool, pm :) 22:47:13 <planetmaker> doh... 22:47:30 *** joepie91 [~s@cadart.demon.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:49:30 <el_en> does someone know wtf is going on when powering on a disk in a hotswap thing causes one or two other disks to experience a power reset? 22:50:18 <el_en> which, in turn, causes an unrelated RAID1 mirror unit to degrade, besides the one whose disk was powered down. 22:51:00 <planetmaker> thank you for your patience and explanation, michi_cc. 22:52:45 <planetmaker> Now it makes sense - and yes, I liki it! :) 22:57:55 <planetmaker> he... I found a way to create lost reservation, michi_cc 23:00:46 <planetmaker> http://www.openttdcoop.org/files/pm/patches/Kokkek%C3%B8bing%20Transport,%201998-05-06.png 23:01:09 <planetmaker> the train waiting at the red signal - which is read due to its own reservation 23:01:28 <planetmaker> way how to create that described in the image 23:01:39 <planetmaker> got 2 go to bed now. :) 23:01:44 <planetmaker> Have a good night all :) 23:01:59 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: from __future__ import antigravity] 23:05:07 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 23:05:15 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F02A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:17:51 <el_en> these House M.D. intro scenes are so predictable. 23:19:26 <el_en> it's always the healthy-looking who gets sick, not the fatty or old or midget. 23:21:21 <petern> Not a patch on Casualty then... 23:28:00 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:28:23 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:30:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r15331 /trunk/projects/ (4 files): -Fix (r15330): remove extra semicolons 23:34:38 <petern> ah, so, squirrel leaks... because we disabled the GC? 23:38:01 <SmatZ> problem was with circular dependencies 23:39:28 <SpComb> references? 23:39:43 <SmatZ> references, that is :) 23:43:53 <Belugas> referees 23:45:29 <petern> hey 23:45:37 <petern> i didn't do anything in gimp :o 23:48:46 <Belugas> i would not blame you, sir :) 23:49:05 <Belugas> i am doing customer support right now 23:49:16 <fjb> Poor Belugas. 23:49:20 <Belugas> while integrating the modest changes in trunk i did today at work 23:49:32 <Belugas> bah... i'm used to it 23:49:45 <petern> 23:49 23:49:48 * petern considers 23:49:50 *** User1 [~User1@p5089693C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:49:50 <kd5pbo> Belugas: What are you supporting? 23:50:00 <User1> hi @ all 23:51:07 <User1> I've installed the OpenTTD via Windows 2k / XP / Vista (32bit) (installer) 23:51:39 <User1> but the game won't run, some files are missing: 23:51:46 <Belugas> kd5pbo, currently, it's a PINPad that is unresponsive, or what it feels like 23:52:08 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:52:17 <User1> TRG1R.GRF and some other .GRF files 23:52:24 <SpComb> User1: the origional graphics resources are not distributed with OpenTTD 23:52:58 <User1> so should i load some patches, which are presented in the forum? 23:53:09 <User1> or how can i get these ones? 23:53:45 <User1> there is a hint for sample.cat even - what's this? 23:54:02 <SpComb> those are the graphics files that came with the origional TTD 23:55:48 <User1> and do i have to buy the original one? i have it on a nearly 15 year old disk, but my laptop isn't quite cooperative to accept the disks :D 23:56:34 <SpComb> that's the best option 23:56:48 <User1> sorry, what's the best option? 23:56:58 <SmatZ> buy TTD (new or used) 23:57:00 <SpComb> copying them off the CD 23:57:37 <Belugas> a cd reader is not a spare resource. it's STILL quite abondant 23:58:34 <SpComb> doesn't mean you need one on a laptop, as long as you have a desktop with a DVD drive on the network... 23:59:18 <kd5pbo> Or find a friend and email files. 23:59:21 <User1> didn't know that TTD is available on CD 23:59:30 *** OwenS [~Akiramena@host86-164-125-149.range86-164.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]