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00:03:20 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FC3C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:07:27 <Belugas> pom te pooooom 00:07:43 <Belugas> jeah? i guess i shuld read jeez 00:07:45 <Belugas> or someting 00:10:16 <Belugas> or maybe yeah 00:20:37 <planetmaker> good night folks 00:22:41 <Yexo> good night planetmaker 00:25:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Yexo * r15366 /trunk/src/ai/ (ai_gui.cpp ai_info.cpp ai_info.hpp ai_scanner.cpp): -Add [NoAI]: Add AddLabels() where you can define labels for the values of the settings in info.nut 00:30:02 *** fjb [~frank@p5485EC15.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:32:51 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C78.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:21 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C88.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:46:56 *** Mek [~marijn@93.157.1.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:49:31 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-75.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Quit: RS-SM] 00:51:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15367 /trunk/src/sortlist_type.h: -Add: framework for filtering GUILists (Roujin) 00:53:07 *** fjb [~frank@p5485EC15.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:53:38 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226211252.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbierbar] 00:55:58 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:58:53 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485ED22.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:02:46 *** fjb [~frank@p5485EC15.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:07:41 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:11:08 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 02:05:53 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@murrayjm8.umeres.maine.edu] has joined #openttd 02:06:33 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77C88.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:09:47 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C88.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:13:11 *** Backiz [~Backiz@a91-152-224-24.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 02:14:22 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:39:13 <Belugas> moinchi moinchi moinchi 02:39:16 * Belugas is tired 02:39:26 <Belugas> but can't get his eyes out of the screen 02:39:36 <Belugas> andfingers out of the keyboard 02:50:57 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Quit: Quit] 03:01:24 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:05:23 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:05:49 <SpComb> http://github.com/zodttd/openttd.app/tree/master <-- is that Objective-C code? 03:11:11 <Belugas> nope, that's a url 03:11:14 <glx> .m files are objectiv-C 03:11:24 <glx> (or should be) 03:11:39 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@murrayjm8.umeres.maine.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:16:53 *** ctibor [~ctibor@77.48.228.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:23:12 *** sulik [54324c31@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 03:24:08 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 03:30:05 <sulik> Hi guys 03:30:08 <sulik> I just installed OpenTTD 0.6.3 and started playing but after some time i noticed that all the computer (enemy) companies are only worth of (after years & years)... all of them build around 2 trains, 4 vechiles, 1 plain or so on... 03:30:16 <sulik> any ideas how to fix this? 03:31:20 <glx> yes use nightlies (AI have been replaced) 03:31:41 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:31:59 <DephNet[Paul]> the "standard" AI is a little ... um ... crap 03:32:25 <sulik> oh okay.. 03:34:00 <SpComb> does OpenTTD have regression tests for the AI? :) 03:35:42 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:38:08 <glx> SpComb: make regression 03:38:25 <glx> but not all functions are tested 03:39:11 <Yexo> that's a regression test for openttd / the noai framework, not for an ai 03:39:46 <SpComb> mostly wondering what would happen if some commit accidentially lobotomized the default AI, how long would it take to notice? :P 03:40:05 <Yexo> SpComb: there is no default AI anymore 03:40:10 <SpComb> quite, quite 03:40:39 <sulik> hmm.. just installed the nightlies .. and fastfowarding the game 03:40:52 <sulik> no enemies.. :S but i chose the hard level 03:40:52 <Yexo> sulik: did you already download an AI? 03:41:05 <sulik> i have to download AI seperatly? 03:41:16 <Yexo> yes, in the main menu, try "Check online content" 03:41:31 <sulik> ohh. 03:44:43 <sulik> hmm.. downloaded all the AI's .. under ai settings.. put 6 enemies .. using random ai settings.. started a new game.. fast fowarding.. still nothing :S ? 03:45:48 <glx> press '²' to open the console and type "start_ai" if you want an AI immediatly 03:51:50 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@5ad38379.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 03:53:36 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ad38379.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:53:36 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 03:55:29 *** TinoDid [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:55:41 <Yexo> sulik: did you succeed yet? 03:57:28 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:58:13 <sulik> seems, yes :) 03:59:15 <De_Ghosty> WHEN SIGNAL IN TUNNELS?!?! 03:59:37 <sulik> started 7 enemies.. fast fowarding again... a lot of them got the company value only at again.. some of them got 0,000 aswell.. strange all these using only vechiles :S 04:00:06 <De_Ghosty> ai are dumb 04:00:16 <Yexo> you're using difficulty level hard again? try it on easy, that might help 04:00:34 <sulik> hmm how that helps tho? 04:00:38 *** Zorn| [zorn@e177236163.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 04:01:32 <Yexo> sulik: on easy, companies (your company but also AI companies) can get more loan, vehicles breakdown less often, the map is flatter, there is less water, etc. 04:01:36 <sulik> yes, 5 years passed and all of the AI's got only vechiles ... i remember in the past , when i was a child like 8 years ago or more hehe... the ai's weren't that dumb.. at least they built planes, railroads etc.. 04:02:01 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:02:08 <Yexo> that depends on the AI you use 04:02:10 <DephNet[Paul]> sulik, try Pathzilla for planes and buses 04:02:46 <Yexo> pathzilla doesn't build planes 04:02:51 <Yexo> paxlink does however 04:03:02 <Yexo> nocab also builds planes and ships 04:03:13 <sulik> hmm.. just reading about the AI descriptions in the game.. 04:03:16 <Yexo> and admiralai also builds planes but also trains 04:03:32 <sulik> which AI is the hardest & has got all type of transport 04:03:44 <Yexo> there is no ai that uses all kind of transport 04:03:55 <sulik> hmm.. okay, but why 04:04:02 <Yexo> admiralai and nocab come closest (admiralai lacks ships and nocab lacks trains/trams) 04:04:02 <DephNet[Paul]> Yexo, doesnt it? my mistake, i know ive downloaded Pathzilla and Paxlink 04:04:32 <Yexo> sulik: because it's a lot of work to write an AI that uses 1 type of transport, and even more to write one that uses several types 04:05:57 <sulik> what about medieval ai ? 04:06:53 <Yexo> dunno, try it and see for yourself 04:08:01 *** Zorn [zorn@e177232133.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:09:01 *** Zorn [zorn@e177236163.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 04:09:39 *** patch [~sdf@cm-84.211.65.194.getinternet.no] has joined #openttd 04:11:35 *** ecke_ [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 04:13:52 *** tneo_ [~tneo@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 04:13:53 *** Sacro_ [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 04:13:53 *** TheMask97 [martijn@sirius-r5.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 04:14:11 *** planetmas [~pm@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 04:14:16 *** wolfy [~Wolfenste@dhcp-077-251-185-139.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 04:14:17 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> solenoid.oftc.net quits: Sacro, Rexxie, svip, TheMask96, Priski, ecke, melwil, planetmaker, Mortomes, jpm, (+8 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 04:14:21 *** Netsplit over, joins: welterde 04:14:26 *** Netsplit over, joins: melwil 04:15:11 *** Netsplit over, joins: Priski 04:16:43 *** Netsplit over, joins: Mortomes 04:18:50 *** Netsplit over, joins: FloSoft 04:21:39 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@62.113.132.255] has joined #openttd 04:25:12 <De_Ghosty> how do i get the ai to start building? 04:25:23 *** svip [~svip@0x53589c76.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 04:25:31 <sulik> start_ai in console 04:25:42 <De_Ghosty> i did 04:25:44 <De_Ghosty> nothing happens 04:25:50 <De_Ghosty> they jsut have a company with nothing 04:25:54 <Yexo> what does the ai debug panel show? 04:26:03 <Yexo> you can find it under the red question mark 04:26:04 <De_Ghosty> how iget that? 04:26:46 *** ttdopen [~ttdopen@pierrew.de] has joined #openttd 04:31:54 *** worldemar [~world@213.178.38.135] has joined #openttd 04:33:48 <De_Ghosty> nothing there 04:33:56 <De_Ghosty> dummy ai v1 04:33:58 <De_Ghosty> how do i laod one? 04:34:19 <Yexo> you need to download an AI first 04:34:30 <De_Ghosty> can i load em in middle of game? 04:34:36 <Yexo> in the main menu, try "Check online content" 04:34:40 <Yexo> De_Ghosty: sure 04:39:18 <De_Ghosty> is ai threaded? 04:39:29 <De_Ghosty> grr keeps crashing 04:40:08 <Yexo> the AIs are not threaded 04:40:19 <Yexo> what keeps crashing? The AIs or openttd? 04:42:01 <De_Ghosty> ottd 04:42:05 <De_Ghosty> ai crashed ottd 04:43:02 <Yexo> what AI did you use? 04:43:08 <De_Ghosty> all of em 04:43:10 <De_Ghosty> ahhhaahahhah 04:43:33 <Yexo> anything special that causes it to crash? Or just randomly after starting some AIs? 04:43:42 <De_Ghosty> like 1 or 2 month 04:43:46 <De_Ghosty> everything dies 04:44:22 <Yexo> can you open a bugreport at bugs.openttd.org with crash.dmp, crash.log and crash.sav? 04:45:02 <Yexo> AIs shouldn't be able to crash openttd, and I can't reproduce the crash here 04:45:15 <De_Ghosty> i have lik 8 of em 04:45:36 <Yexo> I have more :p 04:45:43 <De_Ghosty> fuck have to login... 04:45:45 <De_Ghosty> i hate..... 04:45:58 <De_Ghosty> ai should really be their own threads 04:46:02 <De_Ghosty> it's really slow 04:46:12 <Yexo> why should they? They run in a vm 04:46:27 <Yexo> giving them their own threads is _very_ hard 04:46:36 <De_Ghosty> window can't seperate and proccess em 04:46:53 <De_Ghosty> ai should interact like a user 04:47:01 <Yexo> they do :) 04:47:16 <De_Ghosty> then why is everything sitting on 1 core? 04:47:19 <Yexo> but that means they can only run in between executing commands and updating the game state 04:47:51 <Yexo> and everything is still one 1 core because everything depends on eachother 04:47:57 <De_Ghosty> they should be racing on their own 04:48:04 <De_Ghosty> like 04:48:07 <Yexo> you can't have one thread building a rail line and another pathfinding 04:48:08 <De_Ghosty> grab a frame from the game 04:48:10 <De_Ghosty> process it 04:48:18 <De_Ghosty> and then send it back 04:48:46 <Yexo> so you propose to execute every frame once for every AI? That sounds like a lot of duplicate processing 04:49:02 <De_Ghosty> what happens when i brankrupts in single player? 04:49:06 <De_Ghosty> well 04:49:09 <De_Ghosty> optional? 04:49:21 <Yexo> you can't bankrupt in singleplayer 04:49:23 <Yexo> AIs can though 04:49:27 <De_Ghosty> i mean i have 3 core just idle 04:49:46 <De_Ghosty> they have more then enough powas to duplicate 04:49:48 <Yexo> and because of how openttd works that'll stay the same 04:50:02 <Yexo> De_Ghosty: you don't get the point, duplicating the work doesn't make openttd faster 04:50:24 <De_Ghosty> yes it does 04:50:37 <De_Ghosty> so the ai doesn't have to be process between updates 04:50:45 <De_Ghosty> on a single thread 04:51:17 <Yexo> chances are that the time lost with synchronizing the threads loses the same amount of time you win by making the ai run in seperate threads 04:51:19 <De_Ghosty> or instance 04:51:26 <De_Ghosty> maybe 04:51:58 <Yexo> if it's too slow for your liking, you can decrease the #opcdes before AI is suspended in the advanced settings window 04:52:19 <De_Ghosty> is there a pub account i can use 04:52:20 <De_Ghosty> ? 04:52:25 <De_Ghosty> i don't want to register 04:52:25 <De_Ghosty> lol 04:52:34 <Yexo> no 04:52:37 <De_Ghosty> damnit 04:52:39 <De_Ghosty> forget it 04:52:40 <De_Ghosty> lol 04:52:55 <Yexo> I've a game running for 15 years with 10 AIs without a crash now 04:53:13 <Yexo> De_Ghosty: do you have another place you can upload the required files (crash.dmp/log/sav)? 04:56:39 <De_Ghosty> paste bin? 04:56:41 <De_Ghosty> and 04:56:45 <De_Ghosty> boxnet for files 04:57:14 <Yexo> that's ok 04:57:24 *** ecke_ [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke_] 04:57:35 <De_Ghosty> 1 sec 05:00:11 <De_Ghosty> http://pastebin.com/m7a6d2613 05:00:25 <De_Ghosty> where is emergancy saved saved? 05:01:15 <Yexo> isn't it in the same folder as crash.log? 05:01:20 <Yexo> anyway, crash.dmp is way more important 05:01:38 <De_Ghosty> o 05:01:39 <De_Ghosty> ok 05:01:49 <De_Ghosty> 3 files? 05:01:55 <Yexo> yes 05:05:27 <De_Ghosty> http://www.box.net/shared/lr5bk8spoc 05:05:30 <De_Ghosty> http://www.box.net/shared/eujcenrrcy 05:05:40 <De_Ghosty> http://www.box.net/shared/qyvextos2h 05:20:03 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:19:13 *** Mek [~marijn@93.157.1.37] has joined #openttd 06:30:46 *** Mek [~marijn@93.157.1.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:03:10 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 07:09:07 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 07:09:07 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest107 07:09:07 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 07:15:28 *** Guest107 [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:27:49 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@173-19-228-199.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:43:55 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 08:33:51 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:36:29 <petern> my boss has told me to work from home again :D 08:46:48 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9C913.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:47:02 <Roest> morning 08:52:54 *** Mek [~marijn@93.157.1.37] has joined #openttd 09:02:08 *** planetmas is now known as planetmaker 09:03:24 <planetmaker> morning 09:05:43 <petern> gruargh 09:06:00 <petern> neither ext2ifs nor ext2fsd handle special characters properly :( 09:09:35 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 09:18:12 *** Roest is now known as Guest121 09:18:20 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9CA03.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:20:38 <petern> special as in : or ?, which real OSes don't care about 09:22:44 * Prof_Frink makes a file named "C:\WINDOWS\system32\explorer.exe", just because he can 09:23:41 *** Guest121 [~schurade@p54B9C913.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:23:51 <petern> :D 09:24:02 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 09:24:20 <planetmaker> Prof_Frink: you should make it an alias to "format c:\" 09:24:35 <planetmaker> maybe d:\ is nice, too :P 09:25:03 <Prof_Frink> echo "rm -rf /" >'C:\WINDOWS\system32\explorer.exe' 09:27:12 <petern> i've just realised what is missing in my life 09:27:38 <petern> bacon 09:37:53 *** tneo_ is now known as tneo 09:47:03 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.87] has joined #openttd 09:53:15 *** mikl [~mikl@90.184.195.240] has joined #openttd 09:53:46 <planetmaker> :D 09:53:57 <planetmaker> And baked beans and scrambled eggs? 09:54:04 <planetmaker> oh, coffee? :) 09:54:10 <thingwath> Beer! 09:54:17 <planetmaker> The latter actually sounds quite tempting... going to make some :) 09:54:42 <dihedral> bacon sandwich :-) 09:55:00 <Rubidium> BLT! 09:55:01 *** mikl_ [~mikl@80.199.116.190.static.peytz.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:55:20 <Prof_Frink> BBB! 09:57:24 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 09:57:56 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:09:56 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:11:19 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85ec89.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 10:11:25 <Roujin> morning :) 10:12:42 <Rubidium> 'lo 10:13:32 <Roujin> thanks for adopting and committing my patch ;) 10:13:46 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B3F0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:21:22 <petern> Prof_Frink: bacon, bacon and bacon sandwich? 10:24:29 *** ctibor [~ctibor@77.48.228.43] has joined #openttd 10:24:36 <Prof_Frink> petern: Exactly. 10:24:53 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85ec89.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 10:25:10 <Rubidium> not bacon, beer, bacon? Just to have different 'layers'? 10:25:25 <dihedral> :-D 10:25:28 <petern> beer doesn't go with bacon! 10:26:30 <Roujin_> Rubidium: you made a little whoopsie: " 170 + * @param filter_data The data for filter on" 10:26:34 <Roujin_> and " 203 + * @param filter_data The data for filer on" ;) 10:27:02 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:28:40 <Rubidium> I blame the NY-ish Times at which I did that ;) 10:28:55 <Roujin_> i'd rename it to "additional data passed to the filter function" or so to make clear that it's optional.. 10:29:08 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.186.16] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:29:17 <Rubidium> Roujin_: you can probably find typos in comments everywhere ;) 10:29:39 <Roujin_> is that a reason to not correct them? ;) 10:30:16 <Rubidium> no, it's a reason for you to fix the other instances of typos ;) 10:30:56 <Roujin_> uh, and maybe that should be changed from a F == char pointer to a void pointer, in case someone wants to pass something else to a filter function..? 10:31:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15368 /trunk/src/ (ai/ai_info.cpp sortlist_type.h): -Fix: some typos in comments 10:31:21 <Roujin_> bye bye goes type safety of course.. 10:31:28 <petern> btw 10:31:33 <petern> a char pointer is char* 10:31:36 <petern> not char 10:31:48 <Rubidium> template <typename T, typename F = char> 10:31:58 <petern> you've put the * in the wrong place :o 10:32:06 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85ec89.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:32:07 <Roujin_> petern, where? 10:32:11 <Rubidium> what in there 'obstructs' anyone to use something else than a char? 10:32:38 <Rubidium> it's just a default template parameter 10:32:41 <petern> Rubidium, well if you want to send an int... you have to send a pointer to an int... 10:32:54 <Roujin_> aah, of course 10:33:01 <Roujin_> clever Rubidium :) 10:33:34 <Rubidium> who'd send an int? :) 10:34:32 <Roujin_> mmmh, "filter out all locos that cost > 50.000 ?" 10:35:01 <Roujin_> but, nah. who'd want (and who'd implement) that; something like this can be done by sorting 10:35:12 <Rubidium> that'd be a money ;) 10:35:23 <Rubidium> which is a struct 10:35:32 <Roujin_> true... 10:35:42 <petern> filter on mass, speed, cargo type... 10:35:45 <petern> none of those requires a pointer 10:39:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15369 /trunk/src/sortlist_type.h: -Codechange: generalise the GUIList a bit so peter can write filters for cargo type, speed and mass ;) 10:40:01 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:40:22 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:40:35 *** JapaMala [~Japa@117.201.96.87] has joined #openttd 10:41:24 *** evandar [~evandar@trashcan.g8mb.cz] has joined #openttd 10:41:29 <Roujin_> heh, now we just need actual applications to make use of it ^^ 10:41:31 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:42:04 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:42:08 *** evandar [~evandar@trashcan.g8mb.cz] has quit [] 10:42:15 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/filter_content_gui.diff <- Roujin_, you recognise that? 10:43:04 <Roujin_> kinda ;) not the "haystack and needle" part though :D 10:45:17 <Roujin_> seems there were some issues regarding the OSK that you also fixed 10:45:57 <petern> lol @ r15369 :p 10:46:55 <Roujin_> ah, and you inserted a more sane OnKeyPress function :) 10:47:33 <Roujin_> nice nice ;) 10:50:29 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 10:54:03 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:57:44 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 10:58:34 *** JapaMala [~Japa@117.201.96.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:59:36 *** JapaMala [~Japa@117.201.96.87] has joined #openttd 11:02:03 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85ec89.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 11:07:14 *** Osai^zZz is now known as Osai 11:09:06 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85ec89.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:15:38 <SmatZ> about FS#2601, wouldn't it be better to have {CURRENCY} and {REDCURRENCY} that would be drawn in red if negative? 11:16:26 <SmatZ> ......... ^^^ ignore :-p 11:16:38 <SmatZ> it's something else than I thought... 11:17:05 <petern> heh 11:17:09 <SmatZ> it already works that way 11:17:13 <petern> hmm, i need to warm my drives up 11:17:22 <petern> 20 deg C is too cold 11:17:25 <dihedral> petern, sit on them 11:17:35 <SmatZ> :-) 11:22:31 *** sulik [54324c31@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 11:26:07 <planetmaker> [12:16] <SmatZ> it's something else than I thought... <-- hehe. Was the same for me :P 11:31:38 *** TinoDid is now known as TinoDidriksen 11:32:18 <dihedral> planetmaker, when is it not :-P 11:32:20 * dihedral hides 11:32:48 * planetmaker goes looking for an old, large trout... 11:33:06 * planetmaker uses this rotten trout to slap dihedral 11:35:29 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5EF11.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 11:45:43 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85ec89.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 11:52:06 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85ec89.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:56:14 *** lhrios [~luis@20158122008.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #openttd 11:57:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15370 /trunk/src/ (osk_gui.cpp querystring_gui.h): -Codechange: add a callback to tell the parent of an OSK that the string has changed instead of only marking the text box dirty. 11:58:18 *** lhrios [~luis@20158122008.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:59:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15371 /trunk/src/ (string.cpp string_func.h): -Codechange: add an implementation of strcasestr for when _GNU_SOURCE isn't defined. 12:00:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15372 /trunk/src/ (lang/english.txt network/network_content_gui.cpp): -Feature: filter the 'content' based on the tag/name. Based on a patch by Roujin. 12:02:20 <SmatZ> @r15371 I guess performance isn't the issue :-p 12:02:47 <Rubidium> SmatZ: when it becomes an issue you may rewrite it ;) 12:03:28 <dihedral> LOL 12:05:37 <Roujin_> ah, nice :) 12:06:07 <Roujin_> well, is it implemented any better in _GNU_SOURCE ? 12:07:45 <petern> are you doubting Rubidium's algorithm efficiency? 12:08:57 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85ec89.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 12:09:56 <Roujin> petern: I was just following on what SmatZ said ;) 12:10:18 <Roujin> or did you just mean him, in the first place? 12:11:24 *** NukeBuster|Laptop [~wouter@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:13:46 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:13:47 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:13:49 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 12:16:12 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85ec89.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:16:58 <petern> hmm 12:17:07 <petern> having the content window open does seem to use a lot of cpu 12:21:42 <Roujin> just having it open? 12:22:44 <Rubidium> petern: isn't that just the intro game running? 12:22:51 <petern> no 12:22:58 <petern> it speeds up when i close the window 12:23:05 * Rubidium actually notices a decrease in CPU usage when opening the window 12:23:22 <Roujin> hmm, then maybe some mistake slipped through..? It shouldn't cause any additional load when you're not filtering anything..? 12:23:30 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:23:49 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 12:23:50 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 12:30:04 <Roujin> hmmmm 12:30:27 <Roujin> bool Filter(FilterFunction *decide, const F *filter_data), doesn't return what the comment says it does 12:31:11 <Roujin> * @return true if the list has been altered by filtering <-- right now it returns false, if filtering is set to "off" and true, if set to "on". 12:31:39 * Rubidium slaps Roujin ;) 12:32:08 <Roujin> it'd need some "bool changed = false", "changed = true" in the inner if, then "return changed" 12:34:09 *** ctibor_ [~ctibor@77.48.228.43] has joined #openttd 12:35:16 <De_Ghosty> SIGNAL IN TUNNEL!! 12:35:57 <Roujin> oh and I think the function void FilterContentList() does something strange... 12:36:02 <Roujin> YOUR CAPS KEY IS BROKEN 12:36:14 <Xaroth> shift, not caps 12:36:38 <Xaroth> caps doesn't uppercase 1's to ! . 12:36:46 *** ctibor [~ctibor@77.48.228.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:36:58 <Roujin> yes it does..? 12:37:02 <petern> 1 is already uppercase. 12:37:19 *** Backiz [~Backiz@a91-152-224-24.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has left #openttd [] 12:39:58 <Roujin> anyway, FilterContentList appearently tries to find the item again that we had selected before filtering; but that's pretty useless if setting this->selected to NULL, just before it o_O 12:40:09 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:40:35 <SmatZ> toupper('1') == tolower('1') == '1' 12:40:40 <Roujin> if I wrote that one, I am sincerely sorry... 12:40:51 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 12:42:15 <Roujin> Oh I indeed did. :) 12:42:41 <petern> SmatZ: http://www.adobe.com/type/topics/info5.html 12:43:10 <SmatZ> haha nice, petern 12:43:34 <Roujin> well, that's one complete useless iteration through the list after each filter. damn! 12:43:49 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:48:21 <Roujin> just what the heck was I thinking, there oO 12:48:46 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:48:46 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 12:51:19 <planetmaker> Roujin: maybe the lack thereof? 12:51:21 <planetmaker> :P 12:51:54 * planetmaker goes hiding, too 12:52:41 <dihedral> Belugas: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=762559#p762559 12:52:44 <dihedral> :-D 12:54:48 * dihedral cannot recall which thread it was where we had another bump-ranting 12:56:41 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:57:00 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:57:09 <planetmaker> hehe. That topic has already been reported :P 12:57:13 <petern> yeah, definitely slow with that window open 12:57:18 * planetmaker can only guess what dihedral did the last minutes :P 12:57:18 <petern> the mouse pointer chugs :/ 12:57:25 <petern> and that's on a release build 12:57:36 <petern> hmm 12:57:40 <dihedral> planetmaker, wrong 12:57:45 <planetmaker> oh? 12:58:01 <petern> but not alway s:/ 12:58:05 <dihedral> i was looking to quote Belugas, but i am not finding the right post :-P 12:58:38 <planetmaker> :) 12:58:49 <dihedral> sheesh there are idiots in the forums 12:58:52 <SmatZ> it was reported before I pressed the [!] button, too 12:58:56 <planetmaker> It's done when it's done.... :P 12:59:54 * dihedral is marveled by planetmakers wisdom once again 13:01:03 <planetmaker> :P 13:01:35 <SmatZ> :o) 13:01:42 <dihedral> is there not a minimum number of words someone has to post to a post? 13:03:39 <planetmaker> Well. There shouldn't be IMO. http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=762745#p762745 would be impossible though it contains more words than necessary 13:03:57 <SmatZ> dihedral: still better "bump" than "bimpity bumpity bumpity bumpt" repeated 10 times 13:04:36 <planetmaker> yeah. I'm member in another forum. There people simply add empty lines as postings require a minimum length... 13:05:06 <planetmaker> (when quoting someone) 13:11:24 <dihedral> can we not hire some decent people to lurk around the forums? :-P 13:11:46 <dihedral> and replace those silly nit-whits? 13:13:00 <dihedral> "So if soem one good tell me" <- wow - that is some awesome english 13:13:20 <SmatZ> soem aew soem :) 13:13:50 <SmatZ> (my English is of course far from good, too) 13:13:53 <planetmaker> sum a sum ;) 13:13:59 <SmatZ> :) 13:14:00 <Roest> not all are native english speakers 13:14:07 <planetmaker> most aren't. 13:14:11 <Roest> that might come surprising i know but it's a fact 13:14:35 <planetmaker> I guess nearly no-one talking here right now is - with maybe two exceptions. 13:14:50 <SmatZ> I do typos often, too 13:15:24 <Roujin> petern: got any idea what is causing the high cpu load? 13:23:22 <dihedral> Roest, yes, sure they are not - but that was just some lovely line 13:23:31 <dihedral> good instead of could :-P 13:24:27 <dihedral> but there is a difference between typos, bad grammar, and simply using wrong words :-P 13:24:37 <dihedral> i just find it pretty cute :-P 13:30:55 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The professional IRC Client :D] 13:33:19 *** StarLionIsaac [~isaac@user-544388ef.lns4-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:36:20 * dihedral roars 13:36:34 <dihedral> <- koenigstieger 13:37:03 <Roujin> what, you have to pee? 13:37:55 <Roest> tiger :P 13:38:06 <petern> yeah, i do 13:41:10 <Roujin> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2607 <-- small patch that fixes the two things I mentioned earlier, but not the CPU load issue 13:41:37 <Roujin> petern: oh, good. Is it fixable? :) 13:42:00 <petern> yeah 13:42:03 <petern> i just fixed it 13:42:09 <petern> and now i don't need a pee 13:42:42 <Roujin> eeh, that was directed to dihedral ;) 13:42:56 * JapaMala hands petern a pea 13:42:59 <dihedral> LOL 13:43:08 <dihedral> not @ JapaMala 13:43:27 *** JapaMala is now known as |japa| 13:45:17 <Roujin> because Königstiger reminds me of "Ich muss mal fÃŒr kleine Königstiger" which you can say for "Ich muss mal fÃŒr kleine Jungs/MÀdchen" which you can say for "Ich muss mal aufs Klo" which means "I have to go to the toilet" 13:46:02 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.186.16] has joined #openttd 13:47:10 <Roujin> damn, I thought all the time you were referring to "petern: got any idea what is causing the high cpu load?", petern 13:47:18 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 13:47:55 * SmatZ isn't sure if he wants to know which one of "Jungs / MÀdchen" means "pee and the second thing" 13:48:18 <Roujin> neither 13:48:23 <SmatZ> ahh 13:48:29 <SmatZ> makes sense, too :) 13:48:41 <Roujin> you say the first one if you're male, and the second one if you're female ;) 13:49:01 <Roujin> regardless of what you are going to leave in that place :P 13:49:21 <SmatZ> it's not as dirty as I thought :-p 13:49:25 <SmatZ> hehe 13:50:23 <Roujin> so still no idea about the cpu load I guess... :( 13:53:51 <Sacro> we use the term "little boys/girls room" 13:54:06 <Roest> maybe it's working on world domination 14:03:20 *** JapaMala [~Japa@117.201.96.87] has joined #openttd 14:04:46 *** smeding [smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 14:05:28 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:05:32 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:06:39 *** |japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:08:19 *** welterde [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:08:52 *** welterde [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has joined #openttd 14:20:57 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85ec89.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 14:25:58 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@173-19-228-199.client.mchsi.com] has joined #openttd 14:26:06 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85ec89.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:26:09 *** Roujin_ is now known as Roujin 14:32:00 *** Blinkskij [~eat@172.80-202-228.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 14:36:10 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226211252.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:44:24 *** JapaMala [~Japa@117.201.96.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:45:51 <Rubidium> does http://rbijker.net/openttd/fs2608.diff fix the OSX compile failure? 14:51:26 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 14:53:51 <Rubidium> ^ planetmaker, dihedral, Sacro ^ 14:54:21 <glx> OSX users are never here when you need them ;) 14:56:20 <Rubidium> true... very true 14:56:39 <Rubidium> especially those who develop 14:58:03 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.87] has joined #openttd 14:58:43 <Sacro> Rubidium: yes? 14:59:03 <Sacro> errm, hang on 14:59:57 <Sacro> need a trunk checkout 15:01:37 *** Lisby [~Lisby@d40a9401.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 15:01:59 <Sacro> Rubidium: failed due to no strgen :` 15:02:41 <petern> no strgen? 15:02:42 <Sacro> hmm 15:02:44 <Sacro> if you type make 15:02:52 <Sacro> and ./configure has't run then it runs ./configure 15:02:56 <Sacro> and then asks you to run make 15:03:31 <Sacro> /Users/ben/Projects/trunk/src/ai/ai_gui.cpp:25:27: error: table/strings.h: No such file or directory 15:03:39 *** Blinkskij [~eat@172.80-202-228.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:03:39 <Sacro> and then it goes downhill 15:04:06 <Rubidium> you did a svn-up? 15:04:26 <Sacro> i did a straight checkout 15:04:31 <Sacro> svn co svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk 15:04:40 *** Blinkskij [~eat@172.80-202-228.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 15:04:47 <Rubidium> there's no makefile if configure isn't ran 15:05:15 <Sacro> yeah, 15372 doesn't create table/strings.h 15:05:18 <Sacro> and I need to get to wok 15:05:45 <Rubidium> Sacro: you're making absolutely no sense at all 15:07:27 *** SmoovTruck [~imptruck@173-112-0-56.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Quit: "The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." --Bertrand Russell] 15:08:25 *** Blinkskij [~eat@172.80-202-228.nextgentel.com] has quit [] 15:08:31 <Sacro> Rubidium: table/strings.h isn't being built therefore it breaks with a load of STR_... not found 15:08:51 <Sacro> error: STR_ ... was not declared in this scope 15:09:08 <Sacro> can you check if that rev builds elesewhere? 15:09:14 <Rubidium> yes, but you were talking about ./configure hasn't run 15:09:36 <Sacro> well thats another possible bug 15:09:39 <Sacro> i moved the folder 15:09:41 <Sacro> ran make again 15:09:44 <Sacro> it ran ./configure 15:09:46 <StarLionIsaac> I thought it runs ./configure for you if it detects it hasn't been done? 15:09:49 <Sacro> then asked me to run make 15:09:55 <Sacro> StarLionIsaac: yes, that's a bug i reckon 15:10:25 <Rubidium> it works fine for me 15:10:34 <petern> $ make 15:10:34 <petern> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. 15:10:51 <Sacro> anyway, to work 15:11:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15373 /trunk/src/network/network_chat_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#2606]: Kenobi denied the server's client name to the tab-completed. 15:19:56 *** Zorn [zorn@e177236163.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:20:02 *** Zorn [zorn@e177236163.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 15:24:25 <Belugas> hello 15:24:55 *** Lisby [~Lisby@d40a9401.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:26:01 <Roujin> ..have to go, see you 15:26:06 <SmatZ> hello Belugas :) 15:26:10 <SmatZ> bye Roujin :) 15:26:22 <Roujin> hope someone finds a clue about the cpu load :/ 15:26:48 <SmatZ> Roujin: if I understand it correctly, the problem wasn't in OTTD 15:26:48 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85ec89.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]] 15:30:17 <Belugas> hello SmatZ :) 15:35:31 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:35:32 * dihedral tests Rubidium patch 15:35:35 <dihedral> hello Belugas 15:35:57 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:37:15 <dihedral> Aali, <- http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=41725 15:37:21 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 15:39:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15374 /trunk/src/ (road_cmd.cpp roadveh.h roadveh_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: remove a magic constant. 15:47:18 <dihedral> Rubidium, works find for me 15:48:07 <Belugas> hello dihedral 15:48:08 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad45683.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:48:33 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@ip565bdd29.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 15:48:46 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad87cde.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 15:50:31 *** NukeBuster|Laptop [~wouter@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:52:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15375 /trunk/src/roadveh_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#2605]: a tram circling around in a depot did never actually 'enter' the depot. 15:53:25 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.87] has quit [Quit: I love my HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 15:54:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15376 /trunk/src/ (string.cpp string_func.h): -Fix [FS#2608] (r15371): OSX/BSD also seems to define strcasecmp under some circumstances. 15:59:09 <petern> heh 16:02:02 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.87] has joined #openttd 16:02:19 <Sacro> you committed it then? 16:05:11 <Sacro> Rubidium: compiling now 16:05:21 <Sacro> which knocks 3 hours off my battery life :( 16:08:30 <dihedral> Sacro, loooooser :-P 16:08:45 <Sacro> dihedral: you big gay 16:08:51 <dihedral> my cousin :-D 16:09:02 <Sacro> you are gay with your cousin? 16:09:09 <dihedral> lol 16:09:09 <dihedral> no 16:09:22 <Sacro> ndefined symbols: 16:09:22 <Sacro> "_iconv", referenced from: 16:09:22 <Sacro> convert_tofrom_fs(void*, char const*)in unix.o 16:09:22 <Sacro> convert_tofrom_fs(void*, char const*)in unix.o 16:09:22 <Sacro> "_iconv_open", referenced from: 16:09:24 <Sacro> FS2OTTD(char const*)in unix.o 16:09:27 <Sacro> OTTD2FS(char const*)in unix.o 16:09:29 <Sacro> ld: symbol(s) not found 16:09:35 <Rubidium> what? Sacro's dihedral's cousin? 16:09:38 <dihedral> you still having that iconv issue? 16:09:44 <dihedral> Rubidium, nope 16:10:55 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-171-118.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:12:41 <Sacro> dihedral: yes, installed both macports and errm 16:12:44 <Sacro> the other, fink 16:13:12 <dihedral> regardles of them saying that you should only use one? 16:13:30 <dihedral> how come you have issues with iconv and i dont? :-P 16:13:36 <dihedral> you have xcode installed? 16:13:52 <Sacro> Yep 16:14:50 <dihedral> and you ran ./configure again _after_ you ran the port install? 16:15:15 <Sacro> yes 16:15:56 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host81-158-78-47.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:16:13 <Rubidium> ah well... OSX is known to break stuff when updating 'something' 16:16:37 <dihedral> i just never had an issue like that 16:16:39 <Sacro> yeah 16:16:50 <Sacro> i just did --with-iconv=/opt/local 16:16:53 <Sacro> try that 16:16:59 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@e176253013.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:18:42 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host81-158-78-47.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:18:49 <dihedral> Sacro, and? 16:19:01 <Sacro> perhaps I need to set up /etc/ld.so.conf 16:19:05 <Sacro> dihedral: building 16:19:14 <Sacro> perhaps -j2 would be better 16:20:02 <Sacro> v... 16:20:03 <Sacro> w.. 16:20:08 <Sacro> yapf... 16:21:51 <tokai> OSX comes on its own with iconv, no? at least my osx has it and i don't have macports or fink stuff installed:) 16:22:31 <Sacro> tokai: well it doesn't link 16:22:37 <Sacro> Rubidium: links now 16:22:41 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c3de8.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:22:50 <Rubidium> hi frosch123 16:23:06 <frosch123> 'lo Rubidium :) 16:23:39 <dihedral> tokai, which version of os x? 16:24:31 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226211252.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:24:31 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 16:24:34 <tokai> 10.3.9 16:24:38 <dihedral> ah 16:24:39 <Sacro> this is 10.5.6 16:30:35 *** ctibor_ [~ctibor@77.48.228.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:33:04 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:34:29 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:35:32 <petern> # we're chaaa-ained 16:35:41 * Sacro goes home 16:37:07 <fjb> Quak frosch123 16:37:58 <frosch123> moin fjb :p 16:39:00 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:39:15 <petern> # waa-aa-aa-aa-ave 16:39:39 <goodger> mornin' 16:43:45 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:44:47 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:57:06 *** paul_ [~paul@host81-158-78-47.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:57:15 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 17:02:06 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host81-158-78-47.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:02:52 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:06:03 <petern> is there an image editor that understands png text? 17:06:31 <goodger> png text? :S 17:07:17 <petern> yeah, i suppose it's similar to exif info in jpg 17:07:32 <goodger> ah 17:07:36 <goodger> GIMP? 17:07:39 <goodger> photoshop? 17:08:14 <goodger> some specialist little nagware utility that uses a non-standard windows GUI toolkit that you download from a seedy download site 17:08:51 <petern> heh 17:09:41 * petern ponders a batch mode for pngcodec 17:09:51 <dihedral> petern, Quark Express :-P 17:12:21 <petern> hmm, no msvc solution for pngcodec :/ 17:16:16 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:16:52 *** paul_ [~paul@host81-158-78-47.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:17:18 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host81-158-78-47.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:24:09 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 17:26:26 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:40:29 *** StarLionIsaac [~isaac@user-544388ef.lns4-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Gone for an insanity break] 17:42:36 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80798.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:44:08 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B805E5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:44:10 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 18:00:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15377 /trunk/src/ (network/network_content_gui.cpp sortlist_type.h): -Fix [FS#2607]: filter did resort when unneeded and didn't deselect properly in some cases (Roujin) 18:03:57 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-234-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:04:08 <Wolf01> hello 18:04:47 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-38.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 18:06:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r15378 /trunk/src/newgrf_engine.cpp: -Fix: The subcargo returned by vehicle variable 0x42 should be the most-common-subcargo of the most-common-cargo. If nothing is transported 0x..FFFF00 should be returned. 18:22:50 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 18:27:20 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@p549726BF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:27:23 <Roujin> cheers 18:27:55 <SmatZ> welcome Roujin 18:29:49 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:34:26 <Belugas> hello Roujin 18:38:14 <petern> moo 18:40:45 <Rubidium> huh? petern needs to be milked? 18:41:09 * Wolf01 hides 18:42:33 <dihedral> Rubidium, go ahead.... :-P 18:43:10 <Roujin> hmm, maybe this "valgrind" utility would help with the cpu load issue? doesn't that help you find out how much cpu time is spent in which functions, or so? 18:44:20 <Rubidium> it would help increasing the load 18:44:46 <Rubidium> but it's not valgrind you need 18:46:16 <Roujin> what then? I have currently no clue where that cpu load comes from oO 18:46:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r15379 /trunk/src/lang/ (18 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 18:46:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-02-06 18:45:59 18:46:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: arabic_egypt - 11 fixed by khaloofah (11) 18:46:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: catalan - 11 fixed by arnaullv (11) 18:46:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 10 fixed, 2 changed by Yexo (10), Excel20 (2) 18:46:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: finnish - 14 fixed by jpx_ (12), UltimateSephiroth (2) 18:46:37 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: french - 11 fixed by glx (11) 18:47:11 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:47:19 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.109.251] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:47:20 <Roujin> even commenting out all calls of FilterContentList(), and still it's running slow.. so that's not it 18:47:23 <Rubidium> gprof and related stuff 18:54:57 *** davis- [~iloveme@p5B28F3CE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:17:52 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 19:19:09 *** mikl [~mikl@90.184.195.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:22:36 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@p54970C25.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:28:16 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@p549726BF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:28:18 *** Roujin_ is now known as Roujin 19:30:21 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 19:35:42 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 19:41:45 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 19:44:38 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:50:12 *** Mark [~markk@shell.etttretresju.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:52:42 *** smallfly [~smallfly@p578F1AA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:55:25 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:55:35 *** Mark [~markk@shell.etttretresju.net] has joined #openttd 19:57:41 <Belugas> Here comes CHOCKY! 19:58:05 <Rubidium> Belugas: FS to the rescue? 20:02:15 * petern considers the advantages of a beer 20:02:49 <Belugas> don't need FS, Rubidium, just some good earphones ;) 20:03:04 <Belugas> especially neat the end :( 20:03:57 <Rubidium> oh, I thought you were chocking on smallfly 20:04:22 <petern> CODY is great 20:04:39 <petern> remind me, what did you think of godspeed you black emperor? 20:07:25 *** Zorn| [zorn@g224104041.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:09:50 <Belugas> hem... 20:09:54 <Belugas> does not ring a bell... 20:10:10 <Belugas> CODY is on 20:10:46 <Belugas> is it a song, petern? or a band? 20:11:12 <Belugas> G.. Em+G 20:11:41 <Belugas> then C 20:11:48 <Belugas> back to Em+G 20:12:13 <petern> band 20:12:15 <Belugas> C again, Em+G, A... 20:12:19 <petern> canadian band 20:12:43 <Belugas> i do not remeber the name. i'll be watching it tonigh :) promised 20:14:36 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@p54970AB3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:14:41 *** Zorn [zorn@e177236163.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:15:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> are there really more than 3 chords in a song? 20:15:25 <petern> why not? 20:15:56 <Belugas> some songs have only 2 chords, some only one, some have zillions 20:16:21 <Belugas> chords are just the base. the important part of a song is the melody 20:16:27 <Belugas> chords are just there for support 20:16:41 <petern> a song which is just chords is pretty boring :) 20:16:48 <petern> hmm, sounds like pop music 20:16:54 <Belugas> yup ;) 20:17:00 <Belugas> beat 20:17:08 <Belugas> poum poum poum poum poum poum 20:18:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't know the english terms, but my knowledge of music theory sais that the most important notes are the "Tonika" (the base note), the "Dominante" ("Quinte" above the base note) and the "Subdominante" ("Quinte" below the base note) 20:18:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> and the chords over these three 20:19:06 <Belugas> yup 20:19:15 <Belugas> a chord is composed of three notes 20:19:24 <Belugas> a two note pattern is a tone 20:19:33 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:19:34 <Belugas> tones are very popular in heavy metal 20:19:40 <Belugas> called... power chords 20:19:41 <Belugas> huhuhuh 20:19:57 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 20:20:17 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@p54970C25.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:20:18 *** Roujin_ is now known as Roujin 20:25:10 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r15380 /trunk/src/town_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r15190)[FS#2603]: Do not use TileY() on negative TileIndexDiffs. But the test was not needed anyway, as those tiles were already tested in previous iterations. 20:25:21 *** Zorn [zorn@e177232047.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:25:44 <el_en> CDEFGAHC or CDEFGABC? 20:27:28 <petern> where would H come from? 20:28:02 <el_en> don't ask me, but the version with H is what we are taught in finlandia. 20:28:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> germans use "h" where english use "b" 20:28:17 <petern> clearly you have a different alphabet 20:29:10 <el_en> ok, i'm pretty sure we can conclude H comes from germany, but how did it find its way to germany? 20:29:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> germans use "b" where english use "bâ" 20:30:11 <smeding> el_en, getting from germany to germany is pretty straightforward :) 20:30:38 <el_en> smeding: except if there's a wall. 20:31:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> 1:0 for el_en :p 20:32:40 *** Zorn| [zorn@g224104041.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:36:51 <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause2, you are a mercantil little brat :D 20:37:03 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 20:37:06 <Belugas> "i'll do it, for 10 for the first patch file, each subsequent file costs double the previous. :p" 20:37:14 <Eddi|zuHause> ;) 20:38:14 <Rubidium> so for 30 euros I can play 0.2.0 with YAPP ;) 20:41:06 <Eddi|zuHause> i didn't promise it would be playable :p 20:42:34 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.109.251] has joined #openttd 20:45:11 <Eddi|zuHause> i can't find any information about the origin of the "H" 20:45:52 <Eddi|zuHause> what i know is that in medieval times the sequence "DO [or UT], RE, MI, FA, SOL, LA, SI" was introduced to make music "writable" 20:46:33 <Eddi|zuHause> it was originally intended to be used relative to the appropriate base note, which was always "DO" 20:46:54 <Eddi|zuHause> later the letters were introduced as an "absolute" notation 20:48:12 <Eddi|zuHause> and lots of stuff about composers putting their names (e.g. "B-A-C-H"), initials, or otherwise hidden words into music 20:48:56 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.109.251] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:49:38 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.109.251] has joined #openttd 20:50:25 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.tamino-klassikforum.at/images/threadpics/b-a-c-h.jpg <- this one's cool, when you turn it clockwise, you read the notes "B-A-C-H", while the position of the note actually does not change at all ;) 20:50:41 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@ip565bdd29.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:51:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r15381 /trunk/src/town_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r11091): When testing for parallel road two tiles away, do not move more than one tile along the road. 20:58:17 <frosch123> s/11091/9779/ 20:59:33 <Roujin> hmm, appearently the high cpu load in the content download window has nothing to do with the GUIList filter 21:00:05 <Roujin> it is also present in earlier revisions (r15366) 21:00:36 <Roujin> maybe some networking related thing 21:03:15 <Eddi|zuHause> ./configure --enable-profiling && make run-prof? 21:04:37 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@p54970748.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:05:20 <Rubidium> Roujin_: you should take another provider 21:05:29 <Rubidium> e.g. t-ipdisconnect.de 21:06:13 <Roujin_> that was my gf's father's fault 21:06:34 <Eddi|zuHause> he took off the phone, so it disconnected your 8k modem? 21:06:48 <Roujin_> he just reset their internet connection without telling me beforehand ;) 21:07:11 <Rubidium> he does that quite often 21:07:42 <Roujin_> nope, the other times it was at my place, and because I lost wlan connection 21:08:19 <smallfly> need one of those hardcore openttd programmers 21:08:35 *** Andel [~andel@owenrudge.net] has left #openttd [not hardcore enough] 21:08:46 <smallfly> *g* 21:08:51 <Eddi|zuHause> never seen any of those 21:09:00 <Roujin_> what are hardcore openttd programmers? 21:09:18 *** Andel [~andel@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 21:09:24 <Roujin_> programming openttd while diving, or climbing a mountain? 21:09:26 <Andel> changed my mind 21:09:30 <Andel> I am hardcore enough 21:09:42 <Andel> I programmed some openttd whilst ironing 21:09:43 <Andel> at 30,000 ft 21:09:43 <Rubidium> bah... the image in my head... :( 21:09:45 <smallfly> well, really amusing you guys 21:09:49 <Andel> to the extreme! 21:09:54 <Eddi|zuHause> "core", from french "coer", meaning heart. so anybody with a heart of stone 21:09:59 <Andel> ahh 21:10:02 <Andel> you want my wife 21:10:15 <Andel> hang on 21:10:17 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 21:10:21 <Andel> she said "fuck off" 21:10:21 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@p54970AB3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:10:22 <Andel> sorry. 21:10:23 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:10:30 <Andel> ahh - see what she did to Roujin?! 21:10:33 <Roujin_> smallfly: just ask your question, if you have one 21:10:35 *** Roujin_ is now known as Roujin 21:10:37 <Andel> anyway - sorry 21:10:40 <Andel> I digressed 21:11:03 <Roujin> if there's anyone hardcore enough to answer it, he will ;) if not - well bad luck 21:11:20 <smallfly> is it possible to code openttd with c# and sdldotnet AND more important to play this on linux/max machines? 21:11:34 <smallfly> max = mac 21:11:43 <Rubidium> Roujin: while diving would be Belugas, while climbing would be TrueBrain 21:12:47 <Roujin> uhm.. i'll answer that question with another question: Is it possible to reinvent the wheel, build cars using them, and drive those cars in finland? 21:13:14 <Andel> are those african or European wheels 21:13:20 <Andel> laiden or unlaiden 21:13:32 <Andel> and is there a bloke called brian involved? 21:13:45 <Andel> smallfly: I don't think there would be a problem.... 21:13:47 <smallfly> i understand your *errection* 21:14:06 <Rubidium> I'd reckon it's technically possible to make a C++ -> C# wrapper, but that doesn't make it anymore cross platform 21:14:46 <Rubidium> it's technically possible, but unfeasible that one ever makes it 21:14:57 <smallfly> openttd is c/c++ coded, right? and i think there are about 20 (?) people coding on it right now. the speed the project gets forward is very less relative to the work pumped in 21:15:27 <kd5pbo> It's possible to play it under Linux and OSX. 21:15:48 <Yexo> smallfly: there are not 20 people full-time developing for openttd 21:16:24 <el_en> why the hell would anyone want to code openttd in c#? 21:16:40 <Rubidium> I'd reckon there's in total 1 person full-time developing; spread over a handfull of active devs 21:16:48 <frosch123> because c# solves everything that xml does not 21:16:51 <smallfly> c# is a cleaner language and more understandable to other coders 21:17:17 <Rubidium> smallfly: why don't we speak all Ido then? 21:17:19 <smallfly> the code does not get dirty like the openttd source is 21:17:26 <smallfly> dont know ido 21:17:48 <Eddi|zuHause> 9 users commited to svn in the last 5 days 21:17:56 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:17:57 <Rubidium> Ido's a constructed language with the intent to be pronouncable for everyone 21:18:04 <Rubidium> and used by everyone 21:18:11 <Eddi|zuHause> spread over 70 revisions 21:18:13 <smallfly> dont think that leads to a well coded source 21:18:39 <el_en> smallfly: oh, c# can't be used for making bad code? 21:18:46 <Yexo> smallfly: how does using another language make the code more readable? That's like magic :) 21:18:48 <Rubidium> smallfly: and how does C# make OpenTTD better? 21:19:15 <Eddi|zuHause> "clean" code is not the only optimisation goal 21:19:17 <kd5pbo> What about cross platform support. 21:19:24 <smallfly> ok ok 21:19:29 <Rubidium> kd5pbo: then C# isn't what you want 21:19:37 <kd5pbo> As far as I know, there's no C# compiler for Solaris. 21:19:43 <el_en> kd5pbo: windows xp, windows vista, windows 7... ain't that cross enough? 21:19:49 <smallfly> i dont want to discuss in this "bad against good" style 21:19:58 <kd5pbo> :D 21:20:12 <Rubidium> smallfly: please explain what makes C# a better choice 21:20:14 <el_en> smallfly: btw, sir, your apostrophes are missing. 21:20:21 <smallfly> rub 21:20:43 <Yexo> smallfly: it's not that I think c# is a bad language, it'd just be very bad to switch language now (think of all the work involved, and you already complained progress was slow) 21:20:44 <smallfly> mmh ... 21:20:56 <Eddi|zuHause> smallfly: when C# makes coding so clean, why are 80% of all the world's programs written in COBOL? 21:21:12 <Rubidium> big negative point of C#: ALL development halts for at least a year, then there's a year of fixing all mistakes/errors made during the conversion 21:21:13 *** mortal` is now known as Mortal 21:21:41 <smallfly> yeah your right. "we" shouldnt stop the c++ work 21:21:53 <smallfly> instead we should start a c# project parallel to it. 21:21:55 <el_en> *you're, *shouldn't 21:22:01 <Rubidium> we is who? 21:22:08 *** Moriarty2 [~opera@cpc2-tref2-0-0-cust955.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 21:22:19 <smallfly> we = you *g* 21:22:32 <smallfly> plus the c# programmers being inactive till now 21:22:39 * Rubidium isn't going to do C# 21:22:48 <Yexo> what about the current c/c++ programmars that won't do c#? 21:22:51 <dihedral> smallfly, YOU can code in c# if you wish 21:23:05 <dihedral> and YOU can start the project - OpenTTD _is_ open source after all 21:23:08 <smallfly> be cool 21:23:12 <el_en> smallfly: why wouldn't you start such a project? 21:23:16 <dihedral> everybody is cool :-P 21:23:16 <Eddi|zuHause> from my experience, people who fix themselves on one language end up as bad coders 21:23:17 <frosch123> smallfly: 90% of ottd devs are on linux, you can imagine anyone of them to switch to c# ? 21:23:22 <dihedral> (just not you) :-P 21:23:44 <smallfly> what about projects like mono? 21:23:44 <dihedral> frosch123, there are things like 'mono' 21:23:46 <Rubidium> you'll be person 6 or 7 that started the conversion to C# (none of them have resulted into anything that even started) 21:23:51 <el_en> Eddi|zuHause: that's right, and that's why I know both C and C++. :) 21:24:04 <Rubidium> smallfly: so you want us to use .NET 1.ancient? 21:24:17 <dihedral> :-P 21:24:21 <dihedral> yay - dot net 21:24:32 <smallfly> well, you've got the better arguments ... it is not possible to code in c# ... 21:24:32 <dihedral> and you login to multiplayer using your hotmail account 21:24:40 <dihedral> :-P 21:24:41 <NukeBuster> wasn't there also mention of porting to Java on the forums a while back? 21:24:42 <Eddi|zuHause> during my studying time, i have programmed in about a dozen different languages 21:25:02 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, ever looked at erlang? :-P 21:25:11 <Moriarty2> NukeBuster - I think there's been mention of porting to every language under the sun in the forums. :-) 21:25:12 <Eddi|zuHause> no, but i heard of it 21:25:28 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: btw. which 80% are written in cobol ? 21:25:31 <dihedral> it's a pretty neat language 21:25:35 <dihedral> very different 21:25:40 <Rubidium> frosch123: the 80% of the banks 21:25:47 <dihedral> :-D 21:26:39 <el_en> smallfly: the best way to attract developers is to start a C# fork of openttd yourself, something that at least compiles. and not just expect someone else to start it. 21:26:42 <frosch123> banks, hmm... then currently there is suitable situation to switch to another language :p 21:26:48 <goodger> practically everything for banks is in cobol 21:26:51 <smallfly> i sometimes read about those c# branches in the forums ... I do not want to start such a one. I just use C# to program some small things for myself. but, because i know the source of c++ i noticed the advantages 21:27:06 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, wrt http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=762832#p762832 21:27:24 <dihedral> you'd combine cargodest and IS for 30 euros? :-D 21:27:54 <Eddi|zuHause> that's certainly easier than 0.2 and YAPP :p 21:28:03 <dihedral> :-P 21:28:14 <dihedral> does that include updating to current trunk? 21:28:27 <dihedral> i give you a weeks time :-P 21:28:28 <Eddi|zuHause> no, that's a patch file for each revision :p 21:28:34 <dihedral> LOL 21:28:35 <Aali> 30 euros for that? 21:28:41 <Aali> give me an hour 21:28:41 <dihedral> forget it Aali 21:28:43 <Aali> :) 21:28:45 <Moriarty2> Heh 21:29:08 <Aali> actually, an hour wont do it 21:29:08 *** Moriarty2 is now known as Moriarty 21:29:17 * Rubidium gives Aali an hour... that will be 30 euros then ;) 21:29:26 <dihedral> LOL 21:29:30 <Aali> haha 21:29:56 <Aali> I *could* do it in an hour, but it's friday night 21:30:01 <Moriarty> I have some questions about heightmaps. 21:30:04 <Aali> and I've been drinking 21:30:33 * dihedral just finished listening to "Die 13 1/2 Leben des KÀpt'n BlaubÀr" 21:30:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15382 /trunk/ (bin/ai/regression/ src/timetable_cmd.cpp): -Fix [FS#2466]: multiple vehicles could be filling the timetable and only the data from one vehicle would be taken. Now only allow one to be filling at a time. 21:31:04 <dihedral> Moriarty, nice - i have a few questions about other stuff 21:31:09 <Moriarty> Hehe. 21:31:23 <Moriarty> Specifically, I currently have about 55 of them on my computer (in a non-finished state) and I'm wondering when BaNaNa's will support them. 21:31:43 <Moriarty> Given uploading them to the forum one by one would be tiresome. 21:31:58 <Roujin> beep 21:32:15 <Rubidium> beep 21:32:36 <dihedral> http://www.dimensionsloch.de/fhernhachingen/ 21:32:36 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@p5497056E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:32:38 <Yexo> uploading them one-by-one to the forum would be tiresome, but uploading them one-by-one to bananas would not? 21:32:41 <Roujin_> this time he warned me prior to resetting the connection ^^ 21:32:41 <dihedral> how about turning that into a scn? 21:33:16 <Yexo> dihedral: I prefer heightmaps so you can choose your own newgrfs\ 21:33:21 <dihedral> (for a better res image, images.google.com and search for "zamonien" 21:33:22 <dihedral> ) 21:33:33 <dihedral> Yexo, true 21:33:51 <dihedral> but - heightmaps only specify the landscape, not anything else 21:34:13 <Moriarty> Yexo - I was more thinking that uploading them a second time to bananas would be tiresome. ;-) 21:34:29 <Yexo> sure, scenarios are nice too, but just converting a heightmap to a scenario to have a scenario doesn't make sense 21:34:40 <dihedral> nope 21:34:42 <Rubidium> Moriarty: that's the idea, but that'll require some changes to some (load) GUIs/backends 21:34:57 <Rubidium> and I haven't had the feeling of actually implementing it 21:35:12 <Moriarty> Rubidium: You're referring to the work on bananas? 21:35:26 <dihedral> no - OpenTTD ;-) 21:35:33 <Rubidium> no, work on OpenTTD before it supports it in a nice manner 21:35:37 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-52-118.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #openttd 21:35:40 <Moriarty> Ah. Ok. 21:35:42 <dihedral> there aint much point in uploading to bananas if OpenTTD cannot download it 21:35:55 <Rubidium> at the moment it only allows showing 1 directory, which is troublesome 21:36:04 <Moriarty> Makes sense. This would be why I'm enquiring now. 21:36:21 <Moriarty> Also I figure if you know there's someone out there with a bunch of heightmaps waiting.... ;-) 21:36:37 <dihedral> does not always make things faster ;-) 21:36:51 <Moriarty> Not necessarily, but maybe it'll help with motivation. :-) 21:36:58 <dihedral> ... 21:37:56 <dihedral> yes, Moriarty, he'll probably get right to it :-P 21:38:23 <Moriarty> Hehe. I wasn't thinking it'd provide that much motivation, that's what the big-stick is for. ;-p 21:39:24 <dihedral> Rubidium, in what way only showing 1 directory? 21:39:25 <Moriarty> I can currently make, with little effort, heightmaps for pretty much any part of the world, though these are all small-scale so only for large areas. I just thought you guys may be interested. 21:40:01 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@p54970748.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:40:05 *** smallfly [~smallfly@p578F1AA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 21:40:16 <dihedral> Moriarty, a hightmap of zamonien would interest me 21:40:36 <Rubidium> dihedral: the heightmaps etc. will be distributed in a tar, which makes things quite interesting 21:40:41 <dihedral> Moriarty, http://fellmonster.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/krt_zamonien_1400.jpg 21:41:06 <Moriarty> Unfortunately I was referring to heightmaps of real-world places on Earth. 21:41:11 <dihedral> but does not OpenTTD have support already to read tars? 21:41:14 <Moriarty> Though I could probably do the moon too thinking about it. 21:42:12 <Rubidium> dihedral: yup, but... reading tars != showing the data in the tars in the scenario/heightmap 'load' windows 21:42:40 <dihedral> yes, but there will only be one heightmap in a single tar right? 21:42:48 <Moriarty> Rubidium: Also, per my suggestion in the forum thread too, would it be possible to do something with screenshots too? 21:42:54 <dihedral> so what else must you read / show in a single tar? 21:42:57 <Moriarty> (as in, show a screenshot of the heightmap) 21:43:09 <Rubidium> Moriarty: unlikely 21:43:33 <Moriarty> Could you get Bananas to render on up? 21:43:48 <Moriarty> *one 21:44:48 <Rubidium> technically it could be done 21:45:01 <Rubidium> but I don't think anyone wants to spend the time in it that is needed 21:45:33 <Moriarty> Okay. It's just that if there are a lot of heightmaps (or scenarios), then the player choosing which to load would be tricky. 21:45:50 <Rubidium> it's the same with newgrfs 21:46:01 <Moriarty> True, but you can't really do screenshots there. 21:46:17 <petern> hmm 21:46:20 <Moriarty> What's needed is some sort of metadata. 21:46:24 <petern> do i need to resurrect my fileio patch? 21:46:42 <Yexo> petern: what did that patch do? 21:47:13 <petern> the one that provides abstraction and classes for access methods 21:47:38 <petern> well, the abstraction is there already, i just took it to classes 21:47:51 <Eddi|zuHause> and mister-i-have-a-patch-for-it strikes again :p 21:49:30 <Moriarty> I'm assuming each file on bananas has its own Hash. What if that hash was used for a wiki page. 21:49:40 <petern> it would be stoned 21:49:46 <Moriarty> Heh. 21:50:08 <Moriarty> For the GRF's, the wikipage could simply redirect to the relevent GRF wiki entry. 21:50:44 <dihedral> however, if bananas showed the same info as one can get in the game would be awesome :-P 21:50:46 <dihedral> (hint hint) 21:51:34 <Xaroth> !download win32 21:51:35 *** Xaroth was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Wrong channel. Retry in #openttdcoop.] 21:51:44 *** Xaroth [~shaman@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 21:51:46 <Xaroth> bah, wrong window 21:51:57 <Rubidium> no kiddin' 21:51:59 <Xaroth> -_- 21:52:03 <Xaroth> sue me. 21:52:11 <Xaroth> irssi can be a pain with window handling 21:52:13 <Moriarty> dihedral: I get the feeling your version would be rather a lot more effort. :-) 21:52:24 <Rubidium> nah, I leave that to the RIAA/MPAA/BSA/.*A 21:52:45 <dihedral> Xaroth, nope it would not be 21:52:48 <Moriarty> Whereas the hash method could probably be done in a matter of a few minutes. 21:52:52 <Xaroth> i doubt brein will be able to find anything on my pc. 21:52:52 <dihedral> the data is all there already 21:52:55 <NukeBuster> omg, did i screw something with compiling or did some graphics change? 21:53:07 <NukeBuster> black boxes on the opening title of r15379 21:53:18 <NukeBuster> opening screen actually 21:53:19 <Moriarty> NukeBuster: you're probably using the newgraphics 21:53:34 <NukeBuster> ah, so it kicked in 21:53:34 <Moriarty> (downloaded them?) 21:53:47 <NukeBuster> yeah using the internal download feature 21:53:53 <NukeBuster> do they overwrite the old ones? 21:54:05 <Yexo> no, but they are enabled by default 21:54:06 <NukeBuster> ai it lags... 21:54:08 <Moriarty> Yes, they take precidene. The old ones are still there. Just delete the .tar file to use them. 21:54:13 <Yexo> you can disable them in the config file 21:54:30 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:54:47 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:55:12 <Yexo> NukeBuster: try one of 1) lower the "ai building speed in the difficulty window" 2) Lower "#opcodes before AI is suspended" in advanced settings window. 3) Don't start many AIs at the same time 21:55:37 <NukeBuster> ehh, it lags in title screen 21:55:52 <Eddi|zuHause> then you are screwed 21:55:59 <NukeBuster> openttd is using 20%cpu without doing anything 21:56:02 <Yexo> I thought you were complaining that the AI lagged :p 21:56:21 <NukeBuster> could the ai also play in the title game? 21:56:25 <Yexo> no 21:56:43 <dihedral> you could load the titlegame as a savegame 21:56:45 <dihedral> then start the ai 21:56:45 <frosch123> noone can 'play' in the title game 21:57:28 <Eddi|zuHause> the AI can only do what players could also do :p 21:57:43 <NukeBuster> ok 21:58:08 *** Moriarty [~opera@cpc2-tref2-0-0-cust955.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has left #openttd [] 21:58:10 <NukeBuster> well i'll try the graphics in a game i like them somewhat... although the traintracks seem to be a little dark 21:59:31 <NukeBuster> font is a bit strange also 22:01:08 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:01:46 <Roujin_> complains about OpenGFX go here: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=38122 22:02:19 <Roujin_> don't use too strong words though, or they'll be offended ;) 22:02:42 *** ctibor_ [~ctibor@77.48.228.43] has joined #openttd 22:02:45 <dihedral> hehe 22:03:51 <Rubidium> they're less offended than the zodttd 'community' 22:04:59 <Roujin_> why are they offended? 22:05:17 <Rubidium> http://www.zodttd.com/blog/2009/02/04/zodttd-ports-openttd-to-v2xx-firmware/ <- read it 22:07:03 <Belugas> poor smallfly... his attempt to convince us has not been too successful 22:09:09 <Roujin_> I only see one guy that seems to be offended by someone pointing out the requirements of the GNU public license. 22:09:59 <Rubidium> michi_cc's comment? or the second last one? 22:10:09 <Rubidium> both made someone offended ;) 22:10:23 <Sacro> thye got offended when he didn't release the PPC sources too 22:10:29 <Rubidium> the rest is just "praising" that they released a new version 22:10:32 <NukeBuster> the second last 22:10:58 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-38.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Quit: RS-SM] 22:11:12 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: from __future__ import antigravity] 22:11:14 <Roujin_> don't see an offended comment caused by michi_cc's request tbh.. 22:12:08 <Rubidium> "You could throw the GPL (I included the COPYING with the binary) in my face, or you could ask nicely" <- sounds like someone got offended 22:12:27 <Roujin_> you forgot to copy the ";)" 22:13:04 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.186.191] has joined #openttd 22:13:05 <Roujin_> but I dunno 22:13:07 <Roujin_> whatever 22:13:10 *** mufafidov [~mufafidov@193.43.249.169] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:13:18 <NukeBuster> is he a member of the TT-Forums? 22:13:26 <NukeBuster> (the zod guy) 22:13:28 <Yexo> does that matter? 22:13:34 <NukeBuster> just wondering 22:13:52 <Roujin_> don't think so, at least not under that name 22:16:33 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c3de8.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:17:10 <Roujin_> well, does he violate the GPL, or the Transport Tycoon copyright (=original grfs, sample.cat) in some way? 22:17:26 <Yexo> he does both actually 22:17:31 <Rubidium> Roujin_: haven't you read the second last post? 22:17:35 <Eddi|zuHause> probably both 22:18:20 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:18:23 <Rubidium> and yes, he violates both 22:19:22 <NukeBuster> and that while using openttd as the name. Makes it look like you condone distributing the original graphics with openttd 22:19:31 <Eddi|zuHause> afair the GPL also requires that modified builds be clearly markedd as such, with the modifications clearly stated 22:20:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.186.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:20:41 <Yexo> I don't think stating the modifications is needed, but stating that it's modified is 22:24:19 <Eddi|zuHause> why do i sometimes get the impression that people writing in forums can't actually read 22:26:20 <Belugas> because... first flame, then read 22:26:46 <Belugas> plus... they can't even read what's availaible on the screen of the game, imagine on a post ;) 22:27:27 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, which post this time? 22:29:03 <Roujin_> hm, well.. call me a hippie, but maybe it would be a good idea to get in contact with the zodttd guy and talk the matter out straight... 22:29:36 <dihedral> Roujin_, why? 22:29:46 <Sacro> well there are certain people in openttd dev forum who forget the COPYING file 22:29:54 <dihedral> what you wanna do if he does not like it? 22:30:12 <Roujin_> well, than one has at least tried it 22:30:14 <Rubidium> send an takedown notice to his ISP? 22:30:32 <dihedral> the guy who did Transporter was very friendly when i emailed him, but there is actually nothing you _could_ really do 22:30:58 <Sacro> DMCA 22:30:59 <Sacro> ? 22:31:14 <Rubidium> but that's more something for Atari to do 22:31:19 <dihedral> aye 22:31:21 <Eddi|zuHause> YMCA? 22:31:29 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 22:31:33 <dihedral> and Atari would not do it, as they have enough trouble with marjaque 22:31:57 <dihedral> it would actually be something for CS agency to do 22:32:18 <dihedral> and they dont like OpenTTD either :-P 22:33:19 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: yes, let us sing to them 22:33:43 <Eddi|zuHause> there was this bundy episode 22:33:57 <Eddi|zuHause> where they sang that one song over and over again :p 22:38:43 <dihedral> night ladies 22:38:50 <Rubidium> we can't do anything about the distribution of the original graphics 22:39:11 <dihedral> not your job either ;-) 22:39:12 <Eddi|zuHause> only the copyright holder can sue 22:39:25 <dihedral> that is the agency of CS 22:40:00 * Belugas runs home, tired and pissed off by work 22:40:03 <Belugas> bye bye 22:40:10 <dihedral> have a nice evening Belugas 22:40:23 <Rubidium> Belugas: kill some snowmen... might make you more relaxed tonight 22:40:55 <dihedral> have a cup of hot tea with them? :-P 22:40:57 <Rubidium> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=762894#p762894 <- someone seems to be advertising his work ;) 22:41:21 <goodger> heh 22:41:35 <dihedral> Rubidium, nope 22:42:00 <dihedral> 1. i was never involved in the creation and / or gathering of those grf's used in the openttdcoop pack 22:42:06 <dihedral> 2. i am no part of openttdcoop 22:45:04 <Rubidium> not anymore 22:45:29 <dihedral> nearly a month since announcement, and a bunch longer not active no more 22:49:08 * dihedral wonders if pbi will ever make it into bananas :-P 22:49:08 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:50:54 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-183-149.popl.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 22:53:30 *** goodger [~ben@host81-152-233-2.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: +++ Out Of Cheese Error +++] 22:53:58 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:01:18 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 23:01:18 *** ctibor_ [~ctibor@77.48.228.43] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:02:05 <Roujin_> well, gonna log off for today.. good night 23:02:22 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@p5497056E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]] 23:02:31 *** ctibor [~ctibor@77.48.228.43] has joined #openttd 23:03:10 *** ctibor [~ctibor@77.48.228.43] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:04:44 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by caffein depletion...] 23:10:26 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:15:25 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.9] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:15:29 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.9] has joined #openttd 23:15:31 *** davis- [~iloveme@p5B28F3CE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:17:06 *** kd5pbo|work [~kd5pbo@136.242.113.110] has joined #openttd 23:17:54 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 23:26:42 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Quit: Operator, give me an exit] 23:29:24 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B3F0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:34:13 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-38.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 23:40:19 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:45:31 *** kd5pbo|work [~kd5pbo@136.242.113.110] has quit [Quit: kd5pbo|work] 23:49:13 <Wolf01> 'night 23:49:17 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-234-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:54:27 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9CA03.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit []