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00:00:18 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-76-77.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 00:06:19 <eMJay88> If I'm looking at docs.openttd.org, and I want to fix something on the TODO list, who should I ask for more detail about what needs to be done? Is there any way (short of svn logs) of finding out who created the TODO? 00:07:35 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:09:53 <Yexo> eMJay88: the best way to look for things that have to be done is looking at bugs.openttd.org 00:10:41 <Yexo> if you need help, just ask in this channel if you don't know who to ask about something 00:12:14 <eMJay88> Yexo: okie doke 00:13:17 <Rubidium> http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r15770/logs/general-docs-error.log <- that likes a cleanup too ;) 00:13:36 <Yexo> hehe :p 00:15:02 <eMJay88> hooray for compile warnings :P 00:15:56 <Rubidium> openttd is basically compile warning free 00:16:08 <Rubidium> doxygen gives loads of warnings about missing documentation though 00:16:52 <eMJay88> I remember when I did a big Java project and I was told it needed to build a javadoc *after* I'd pretty much finished the code 00:17:09 <eMJay88> so much missing documentation 00:17:38 <Rubidium> documenting is actually a good way to get yourself familiar with the coding style and the internals 00:18:12 <eMJay88> ok, this may sound like a wierd question, are there any issues in flyspray that you guys know are "easy" enough for me (a competent (I hope) programmer, but a beginner to OpenTTD) to fix up? 00:18:40 <eMJay88> I've had a look at low severity, but that's not really a measure of complexity... 00:19:08 <Yexo> I don't think there are any bugs left that are easy to fix 00:19:19 <Yexo> might be some feature requests though, I'll have a look 00:19:25 <Rubidium> well.. 2429 and/or 2365 might be easy to fix 00:19:41 <Rubidium> just need to reproduce it 00:22:18 <Rubidium> eMJay88: I guess we can assume you're using Windows, right? 00:22:51 <eMJay88> no, I'm running Ubuntu (8.04), but I have windows xp sp3 in a virtual box 00:22:52 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 00:24:20 <Yexo> FS#1886 might be easy to fix (at least partly as suggested by skidd in the last comment) 00:24:24 <Yexo> that might be already done though 00:24:25 <eMJay88> Rubidium: re FS#2365, I think I have access to a touchscreened laptop, so I might be able to try reproducing... 00:25:53 <eMJay88> although I'm not sure how to right click on a touchscreen :S 00:27:31 <Rubidium> neither do I 00:31:42 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-76-77.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:32:31 <Tefad> two fingers? 00:33:19 <eMJay88> I don't think there are many multi-touch screens out yet... Outside of Apple anyway 00:34:27 <Aali> no 00:34:48 <Aali> you tap with two fingers to get a right click on some touchscreens 00:36:22 <[wito]> OpenTTD on the iPhone would be Hard Core 00:36:39 <Yexo> [wito]: that's already possible 00:36:49 <[wito]> Yes, but is it done? 00:37:17 <TrueBrain> it sucks big time 00:37:24 <Yexo> [wito]: yes: http://www.zodttd.com/blog/index.php?s=openttd 00:37:26 <TrueBrain> there is no way to control such game on such hardware 00:37:38 <eMJay88> There is a "proof of concept" openttd on DS 00:40:54 <eMJay88> doesn't work very well, but it runs 00:41:09 <eMJay88> the pathfinder is what kills it i beleive 00:42:43 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-76-77.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 00:47:44 <Rubidium> nah, what kills a DS port is the size of OpenTTD 00:48:14 <Rubidium> it needs to fit the binary and all it's memory requirements in 4 MB 00:48:25 <glx> and ugly memory access on DS 00:48:33 <Sacro> i have OpenTTD on my DS 00:49:10 <eMJay88> DS only has 4mb of memory? I would have thought more than that given the size of the ROMs 00:49:13 <racetrack> I've been thinking about doing a fresh port and building a new ui that better fits the ds hardware 00:49:18 <racetrack> obviously a massive job :P 00:49:33 <racetrack> eMJay88: yeah, only 4mb .. you just load the bits of the rom you need 00:49:45 <racetrack> and/or map them into the address space 00:50:02 <racetrack> its quite a fun and challenging platform to write for 00:50:04 <glx> it should be possible to use RAM extensions but they are usually slow 00:50:08 <Tefad> are you saying 4MB or 4Mb 00:50:14 <Tefad> i'm assuming you mean mega and not milli 00:50:23 <racetrack> 4194304 bytes 00:50:30 <Tefad> thanks 00:50:30 *** [gone]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:51:04 *** [gone]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 00:51:35 <eMJay88> so 4MiB 00:52:05 <Brokkoli> my first computer hat 2 mb and tt worked just fine ;) 00:52:27 <racetrack> 2mb? mine had 2k ;) 00:52:35 <Brokkoli> ram? 00:52:38 <racetrack> yep 00:52:47 <Brokkoli> thats not much :P 00:53:08 <glx> 640KB used to be enough :) 00:53:13 <Brokkoli> sure 00:53:26 <glx> nobosy will ever need more 00:53:30 <glx> *nobody 00:54:23 <Rubidium> ofcourse TT didn't do everything OpenTTD does 00:54:32 <Brokkoli> thats right 00:54:50 <glx> 256*256, no grfs, ... 00:54:55 <Brokkoli> yes 00:55:04 <Brokkoli> ok 256x256 is ok for playing 00:56:03 <Brokkoli> and very few vehicles there... 00:56:15 <racetrack> its a portable. I'd expect it to be cut down. thats kinda the idea 00:56:55 <Rubidium> OpenTTD is quite a bit more wasty with memory than TT(D) 00:57:07 <Brokkoli> yes 00:57:11 <Rubidium> lots of that is for caches 00:57:13 <Brokkoli> using modern pcs its ok ;) 00:57:55 <Rubidium> ripping that out will be quite troublesome I'd reckon 00:58:17 <racetrack> I'd probably trim it in other areas .. so no newgrfs, less options, lighter ui, smaller maps, dumber pathfinding, maybe even something extreme like getting rid of trucks or something 00:58:20 <Brokkoli> yes.. and it will slow it down even more on ds 00:58:30 <racetrack> you could argue whether it'd still be openttd 00:58:34 <Rubidium> dumber ais == no ais 00:58:40 <racetrack> but who cares as long as its fun and fits the platform nicely 00:58:49 <Rubidium> no newgrfs == problems loading basic sprites 00:59:01 <Brokkoli> yes.. newfrgs would be needed 00:59:07 <Brokkoli> grfs 00:59:14 <racetrack> I play my ds for a few minutes at a time, I'd never use it for a long gaming session 00:59:22 <Rubidium> dumber pathfinding is easy, just 'trash' npf and yapf 00:59:27 <racetrack> haha 00:59:31 <Brokkoli> yes 00:59:38 <Brokkoli> go back to the old dumb pathfinder 00:59:40 <Yexo> that also means that pbs signals no longer work 00:59:46 <Brokkoli> it worked... sometimes ;) 00:59:51 <racetrack> bogopathfinder .. just choose tracks at random and hope you stumble on the right station 00:59:56 <Yexo> I think trashing yapf is not as easy as it sounds 00:59:57 <Brokkoli> lol 01:00:07 <Brokkoli> pbs is not needed 01:00:22 <racetrack> doesn't need to be easy 01:00:30 <racetrack> maybe I'll try one day 01:00:56 <Rubidium> Yexo: pbs works fine with ntp 01:01:02 <Brokkoli> maybe wait for better consoles ;) 01:01:27 <Yexo> Rubidium: doesn't it use Yapf::FollowTrackT or something like that? 01:01:33 <Rubidium> okay, PBS uses some yapf code 01:01:41 <Rubidium> but that isn't the big bulk of yapf 01:01:55 <racetrack> naw thats the copout way. my ds has more grunt than whatever I had when I was playing tt in the beginning. I'm sure something fun could be made 01:02:24 <Rubidium> those templates are very effective in creating lots of binary code there 01:03:27 <Rubidium> also 'mmap-ing' the language file would save ~100 KiB 01:03:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B91F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:03:45 <racetrack> ds has no mmu 01:03:51 <racetrack> oh 01:03:58 <racetrack> too specific 01:04:00 <racetrack> you load the rom 01:04:02 <racetrack> never mind me 01:04:04 * racetrack goes to lunch 01:05:19 <eMJay88> quick question, are trains stored as a single vehicle or are they a linked list of vehicles (each wagon linked to the next one)? 01:05:34 <Rubidium> the latter 01:05:41 <glx> memory pool and linked list 01:07:03 <glx> and to be exact it's a double linked list with cached vehicle head 01:07:47 <eMJay88> so each wagon points to the next (presumably, the one "behind" it) as well as the front (ie the engine)? 01:07:57 <Yexo> yes 01:08:36 <glx> next, previous and front 01:09:08 <eMJay88> oh so triple(ish) linked list 01:09:15 <Rubidium> where engine isn't always an engine 01:09:50 <eMJay88> in the case of depoted wagon chains? 01:11:48 <glx> yes 01:15:39 *** eMJay [~michael@60.241.9.164] has joined #openttd 01:15:39 *** eMJay88 [~michael@60.241.9.164] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:15:49 *** eMJay is now known as eMjay88 01:21:51 <eMjay88> going for lunch 01:22:19 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: http://www.interplay.com/] 01:42:10 *** SpComb^ is now known as SpComb 02:03:50 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:05:51 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host81-157-54-126.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 02:08:01 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 02:11:46 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051066245.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 02:17:49 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.1.247.125] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 02:21:02 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NEXT EPISODE!] 07:02:15 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.202] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Po-ta-to, boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew.] 07:04:07 *** [gone]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:04:07 *** Combuster is now known as [gone]buster 07:04:49 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.202] has joined #openttd 07:07:33 <dihedral> if i start the client from the console, and want to 'force quit' it with strg+c, the game prompts me to confirm!! 07:07:37 <dihedral> in the window 07:08:22 <dihedral> if someone presses strg+c on the console, i am pretty sure they want to quit the app, and if they dont they should jolly well get used to that being the outcome of the key combination 07:08:58 *** goodger_ [~ben@host81-152-233-98.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 07:11:01 *** goodger_ [~ben@host81-152-233-98.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 07:18:10 *** Frostregen [~frost@dslb-084-058-162-027.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 07:29:36 *** Frostregen [~frost@dslb-084-058-162-027.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:29:48 *** Frostregen [~frost@dslb-084-058-162-027.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 07:37:47 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::42] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:38:35 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::42] has joined #openttd 07:38:35 *** welterde [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:39:04 *** welterde [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has joined #openttd 07:53:46 *** goodger [~ben@host81-152-233-98.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:54:34 *** goodger [~ben@host81-152-233-98.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 07:57:49 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.83] has joined #openttd 08:00:10 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 08:00:10 *** [gone]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:00:14 *** Combuster is now known as [gone]buster 08:04:57 *** Frostregen [~frost@dslb-084-058-162-027.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:14:56 *** Frostregen [~frost@dslb-084-058-162-027.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:17:02 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.202] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 08:18:15 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:18:15 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.202] has joined #openttd 08:18:25 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.83] has joined #openttd 08:24:24 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.202] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Chicks dig it] 08:24:27 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng22-2-0-cust533.15-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 08:24:44 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.83] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:25:03 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.83] has joined #openttd 08:27:48 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.202] has joined #openttd 08:30:53 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggs-work 08:31:28 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:32:01 *** Yeggs-work [~mind@cpc2-rdng22-2-0-cust533.15-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 08:33:20 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:40:54 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.83] has joined #openttd 08:45:09 *** Mark [~Mark@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 08:49:20 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:49:30 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.202] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 08:50:16 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.202] has joined #openttd 09:12:52 *** Timitry [83dc24f1@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 09:15:02 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.202] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 09:15:23 * petern ponders vservering mailman 09:20:15 *** Frostregen [~frost@dslb-084-058-162-027.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:20:42 *** Frostregen [~frost@dslb-084-058-162-027.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 09:22:12 *** Frostregen [~frost@dslb-084-058-162-027.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [] 09:22:41 * DASPRiD pokes dih in the rips 09:23:40 <dihedral> rips???? 09:23:43 <dihedral> whats that? 09:24:20 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.202] has joined #openttd 09:24:28 <el_en> are you sure you want to even know? 09:24:38 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051066245.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:28:43 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 09:33:23 <TrueBrain> petern: how about removing mailman? It sucks :p 09:33:57 <TrueBrain> (annoying memory eating beast) 09:35:51 <petern> how about no? 09:37:24 <TrueBrain> I still wonder if there isn't a better alternative ... 09:39:20 <petern> mailman doesn't eat memory for me 09:39:38 <TrueBrain> 10 MiB per instance, it spawns 10 instances 09:39:44 <TrueBrain> 100 MiB for .. what exactly?! 09:39:52 <petern> not here 09:40:14 <TrueBrain> then I wonder what is wrong with this install :p 09:40:26 <petern> it's "only" 60MB here :p 09:40:30 <TrueBrain> lol! 09:40:37 <TrueBrain> still a damn lot for just a mailman :p 09:40:42 <petern> *shrug* 09:40:55 <TrueBrain> I have this new httpd running, which uses JUST 4 MiB 09:40:58 <TrueBrain> OpenTTD uses more :p 09:41:09 <petern> On a machine that otherwise only handles mail relaying, and has 2GB RAM. I'm not particularly worried. 09:41:15 <|Japa|> Format c:/ 09:41:21 <TrueBrain> fair enough petern ;) 09:41:29 <|Japa|> always solves problems 09:42:40 <petern> lighty is 1.7MB on it :) 09:42:56 <Prof_Frink> del * /F /S /Q 09:42:58 <petern> it's only a 32bit machine of course, heh 09:43:04 <TrueBrain> petern: ours is 'slightly' more busy ;) 09:43:21 <petern> well, lighty is only on there for mailman's web interface 09:43:46 <petern> i do not mix services on servers :) 09:43:56 <TrueBrain> very smart :) 09:44:38 <petern> i see so many problems with LAMP servers :( 09:44:58 <TrueBrain> for good reason 09:45:03 <petern> and people trying to run incoming email with mysql lookups and outgoing email with mysql authentication etc all on one box... 09:45:39 <petern> someone DoSes a php/mysql website and everything stops as the mail server can't do mysql lookups :D 09:45:43 <TrueBrain> although all services of openttd.org are in one VPS too (minus compile-farm, minus WT2, minus tournament stuff :p) 09:45:59 <petern> yup 09:46:07 <petern> but that's very specific 09:46:11 <TrueBrain> yup :) 09:46:16 <petern> it's not offering services to 3rd parties... 09:46:22 <dihedral> hello there TrueBrain :-) 09:46:23 <petern> and it's most vcs software 09:46:25 <petern> *mostly 09:46:35 <TrueBrain> I dislike solutions like Plesk and people putting 3000 customers on one box 09:47:46 <petern> depends 09:47:58 <petern> mixing all services together, definitely not 09:48:09 <petern> but 3000 users on a dedicated pop3/imap server is no problem 09:48:19 <TrueBrain> I meant the mixing together ;) 09:48:22 <petern> i know 09:48:45 <TrueBrain> I had to work with cyrus the other day ... what a crappy annoying idiotic software 09:48:49 <petern> lol 09:48:52 <petern> i just moved to it :p 09:48:56 <TrueBrain> WHY?! 09:49:00 <petern> because i like it 09:49:12 <TrueBrain> it has its own storage 09:49:15 <TrueBrain> own user management 09:49:22 <TrueBrain> I guess it works if you set it up like that :p 09:49:33 <TrueBrain> we needed to implement it over existing MTA and user-database .. 09:49:34 <petern> it doesn't have user management 09:49:41 <petern> it has mailboxes and sasl authentication 09:49:51 <TrueBrain> that is what I mean of course :p 09:49:57 <petern> i migrated from ancient uw-imap with system accounts 09:50:03 <TrueBrain> :s 09:50:06 <TrueBrain> now that is nasty ;) 09:50:08 <petern> yup 09:50:09 <petern> anyway 09:50:20 <petern> cyrus has its custom bis 09:50:21 <petern> *bits 09:50:30 <petern> but the actual email storage is just one file per email 09:50:32 <petern> a bit like, er, maildir... 09:50:36 <TrueBrain> I dislike that I need to pipe mail incoming via Postfix via lmtp to cyrus ... 09:50:45 <el_en> why not use the finnish alternative, dovecot. 09:50:54 <petern> so if your cyrus really goes tits up, it's not all lost. 09:50:55 <TrueBrain> el_en: guess what openttd.org runs 09:51:07 <petern> well 09:51:12 <petern> i liked splitting services 09:51:24 <petern> so i don't have postfix running on the cyrus machines 09:51:34 <TrueBrain> the problem I had here: cyrus goes down for what reason what so ever 09:51:37 <TrueBrain> postfix still accepts the mail 09:51:38 <petern> delivery via network lmtp 09:51:45 <TrueBrain> and there is no way to ever get that mail in cyrus again without resending :p 09:51:51 <petern> huh? 09:51:56 <petern> cyrus goes down 09:51:58 <TrueBrain> (well, I guess postfix can be reconfigured to block in that case) 09:52:07 <petern> postfix accepts mail, postfix can't deliver to cyrus, postfix queues 09:52:16 <TrueBrain> the latter doesn't happen out-of-the-box 09:52:19 <petern> if it doesn't do that, you've done something wrong 09:52:20 <TrueBrain> it delivers to its own mbox stuff 09:52:29 <TrueBrain> debian postfox / cyrus install guide 09:52:40 <TrueBrain> but yeah, I am sure it is fixable .. just a bit weird ;) 09:53:05 <petern> i've never had an occurance of postfix picking a different delivery method just because one was down 09:53:12 <petern> it doesn't do it out of the box :) 09:53:23 <TrueBrain> I promise you, if you follow that 'official' guide, it does :) 09:53:30 <TrueBrain> took me a while to find the error ..... 09:53:34 <petern> (actually postfix is on the cyrus machine, because cyrus can send out emails via sieve) 09:53:46 <petern> but it doesn't accept mails 09:53:55 <dihedral> write our own ^^ 09:54:04 <TrueBrain> anyway, I like courier-imap and dovecot (latter for small, first for bigger) 09:54:08 <petern> i use dovecot on my own personal server 09:54:23 * dihedral prefers cyrus 09:54:33 <petern> because i couldn't be bothered setting up cyrus for it, heh 09:54:43 <TrueBrain> openttd.org has 28 subdomains ... and I need to make a configure change in all of them .. hmm .. nasty :p 09:54:49 <petern> squirrelmail + avelsieve = <3 09:55:26 <petern> apparently there's a sieve plugin for thunderbird, but it needs an account registered to download it 09:55:30 <petern> which is lame 09:55:41 <TrueBrain> yup 09:56:20 *** RedPandaFox [7c957583@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:06:02 *** RedPandaFox [7c957583@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 10:08:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r15776 /trunk/Doxyfile: -Fix [DoxyGen]: Our project is called OpenTTD, not openttd (which looks very ugly) 10:08:37 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:10:57 * dihedral wonders what the executable is called 10:11:32 <petern> OPEN\ TRANSPORT\ TYCOON\ DELUXE\ EXECUTABLE.EXE 10:11:44 <dihedral> ^^ 10:11:49 <Prof_Frink> GameGFX.exe/ 10:12:01 <dihedral> why .exe?? 10:12:08 <dihedral> that is soooo ugly ^^ 10:12:11 <petern> cos it's an executable silly! 10:12:15 <petern> .com! 10:12:29 * |Japa| wants somebody to slave at TE for a while 10:12:40 <|Japa|> somebody meaning not me :P 10:12:45 <petern> i'd rather somebody started from scratch :p 10:12:58 <Prof_Frink> I want a pony. 10:13:30 * TrueBrain buys a pony for Prof_Frink 10:13:42 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeji95.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 10:13:46 <petern> pony car? ford mustang? 10:13:58 <dihedral> ^^ 10:15:25 <petern> hmm 10:15:28 <Prof_Frink> £25. 10:15:29 <petern> they're a bit steep 10:15:48 <petern> '65 mustang, £51000 10:16:35 <Prof_Frink> And it's still american. 10:16:53 *** JapaMala [~Japa@117.201.96.202] has joined #openttd 10:17:10 <petern> it is 10:18:09 <Prof_Frink> I'd rather have something from Norfolk. 10:18:47 <petern> a lotus? 10:19:13 <Prof_Frink> What else is there in norfolk? 10:20:36 <petern> "leading edge" apparently 10:22:25 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:22:58 *** goodger [~ben@host81-152-233-98.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:23:44 *** goodger [~ben@host81-152-233-98.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:32:06 <JapaMala> I wannt a tesla roadster 10:32:29 <Noldo> how much does it cost? 10:35:37 <JapaMala> about 100,000 $ USD 10:37:04 <JapaMala> last I checked anyways 10:42:10 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 10:43:56 *** Markk [~markk@shell.etttretresju.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:48:39 *** [gone]buster is now known as [com]buster 10:50:28 *** Markk [~markk@shell.etttretresju.net] has joined #openttd 10:57:10 <TrueBrain> dear all .. we just switched to a new httpd at openttd.org (cherokee instead of lighttpd) 10:57:15 <TrueBrain> I did my best to port the configuration 1-on-1 10:57:21 <TrueBrain> but please let me know anything that doens't work 11:03:24 <TrueBrain> most noticable change: http://wiki.openttd.org urls changed (but old urls are nicely redirected) 11:09:21 <welshdragon> hmm 11:09:37 <welshdragon> TrueBrain: was browsing the wiki, seemed no issues 11:15:17 <TrueBrain> welshdragon: try it now again ;) Now the links are set correctly :) 11:15:18 <dihedral> congratulations on learning how to browse the wiki ^^ 11:15:39 <dihedral> TrueBrain, nicely done ;-) 11:17:55 <TrueBrain> cherokee 'mmap's to files it is static serving 11:17:56 <TrueBrain> nice :) 11:19:15 <welshdragon> dihedral: thanks... i think 11:20:48 <welshdragon> anyway, is there a cargodest + infrastructure sharing build yet? 11:22:57 <dihedral> yep! publicly available? dont no! 11:23:03 <dihedral> *know ^^ 11:25:18 <Ammler> indeed, nice wiki urls now. 11:25:21 <petern> insent=4483 11:25:21 <petern> inreject=84893 11:25:22 <petern> hm 11:25:34 <petern> DNSBLs really work 11:25:41 <Ammler> welshdragon: aali has such builds uploaded, afaik 11:26:12 <welshdragon> Ammler: ok... any ideas where to look? 11:26:22 <Ammler> tt-forums? 11:26:45 <Ammler> on the "old" is thread or cargodest 11:27:26 <welshdragon> hmm, i\m using the new is 11:27:29 <welshdragon> :( 11:28:38 <Ammler> oh, there is no patch for that, but if you ask aali, he might make you one... :-) 11:29:22 <Ammler> I bet, he has already, just not published ;-) 11:31:09 <welshdragon> ok, thanks 11:36:38 <petern> one day, one day 11:37:14 <welshdragon> one day they will be in trunk 11:37:28 <petern> one day they'll be written cleanly 11:37:33 <petern> hmm 11:37:36 <petern> i'm being dumb 11:37:58 <petern> i want to select a few records and update a flag for each 11:38:05 <petern> with the minimum of sql 11:38:11 <petern> hmm 11:39:31 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 11:41:25 <Rubidium> update X in Y limit 0, 5; ? 11:44:15 *** JapaMala [~Japa@117.201.96.202] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 11:45:20 *** JapaMala [~Japa@117.201.96.202] has joined #openttd 11:59:50 <Ammler> petern: no hurry, we need some "exclusive" feature for wwottdgd ;-) 12:01:45 <Rubidium> Ammler: add copy-paste to all binaries 12:01:56 <Rubidium> don't forget to add it to the server binary though 12:04:36 <Ammler> well, you need c&p patch for disabling it :-) 12:05:02 <Ammler> that was the reason we added it to last wwottdgd pack 12:05:23 <Rubidium> if you review the diff you can at least find two ways to desync people who are using it 12:06:24 <Ammler> oh, nice idea, I would like to add that to the coop ps :-) 12:06:48 <Ammler> I am quite sure, nobody is using there there... 12:06:56 <Ammler> it* 12:07:47 <Rubidium> there's nobody on there so I can't check whether joined people have that patch 12:09:21 <Ammler> oh, you could do that also from a client? 12:09:49 <Rubidium> yup, one is client based and that can only kick people using the patch that join 12:10:08 <Rubidium> the other is server based and desyncs everyone with the patch who joins 12:11:16 <Rubidium> and the client based one requires you to have a modified client. Using the copy-paste patch is the easiest way to sufficiently modify the binary so you can cause the desyncs 12:15:26 <Rubidium> Ammler: the openttdcoop (blog) page is showing wrong information 12:15:38 <Ammler> Rubidium: about? 12:16:02 *** OwenS [~Akiramena@host86-160-63-111.range86-160.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:16:04 <Rubidium> wrong link to the nightly; nightly.php doesn't exist; better link to www.openttd.org/download-trunk/r15712 12:16:41 <Rubidium> furthermore according to the site 11 people are connected to the public server though servers.openttd.org and my client say that there are only 0 connected 12:17:01 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db00416.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 12:17:16 <Ammler> yeah 12:17:37 <Ammler> there are some troubles with Brians server, so he disabled all crontabs 12:17:42 <Ammler> cronjobs 12:18:14 <dihedral> lol 12:18:38 *** George3 is now known as George 12:22:20 <Ammler> hmm, those links seems to be in the templates... 12:26:34 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:26:48 * TrueBrain likes Cherokee, this new httpd .. works smoothly! :) 12:27:09 <Ammler> Rubidium: fixed, thanks for report :-) 12:27:41 <Ammler> we use all irc commands, so nobody realized that yet. :-) 12:30:06 <TrueBrain> did you know, that 55% of our visitors uses FireFox? :) 12:30:18 <TrueBrain> even a few use Firefox 8.10 :p 12:30:21 <Rubidium> yes I did 12:30:38 <petern> silly ubuntu 12:34:09 *** JapaMala [~Japa@117.201.96.202] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 12:34:27 <Ammler> does opera still identify as Internet Explorer? 12:34:47 *** JapaMala [~Japa@117.201.96.202] has joined #openttd 12:39:01 <Darkvater> if you want toyes 12:43:24 <TrueBrain> oeh, noes, a Darkvater 12:43:32 <Darkvater> where? where?! 12:44:08 <TrueBrain> BEHIND YOU! 12:44:59 * Darkvater tries to say something as a huge axe strikes him from behind sending his head spinning off 12:45:05 <Darkvater> grmbl 12:45:14 <TrueBrain> twisted mind you have my friend .. 12:45:27 <Darkvater> mmpf 12:45:37 <Rubidium> more a bodyless mind 12:46:30 <Darkvater> ./mode -head Darkvater 12:47:24 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 12:56:54 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.22.64.186] has joined #openttd 12:58:46 *** Brokkoli [~Brokkoli@e177136170.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:58:53 *** Timitry [83dc24f1@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 12:58:56 *** JapaMala [~Japa@117.201.96.202] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 12:59:02 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:59:05 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:00:15 *** JapaMala [~Japa@117.201.96.202] has joined #openttd 13:01:47 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 13:02:34 <dihedral> can we consider people joining with the default nick (Player) a bug.... 13:02:53 <dihedral> and fix a bug that exists in (and all versions before) 0.7.0-RC1? :-P 13:05:11 <Ammler> adding a client name generator like the town name :-) 13:05:40 <dihedral> no 13:07:00 <Ammler> username from system? 13:07:18 <Darkvater> Ammler: lol 13:07:29 <Ammler> hehe 13:07:35 <Darkvater> so now e'll have a zillion players named Administrator instead of Player 13:08:06 <Darkvater> that helps .. 13:08:08 <Rubidium> so you're saying I should change my nick? 13:08:21 <Rubidium> (and login name) 13:08:58 <Ammler> well, I assume, the problem is how to handle "empty" client name. 13:09:29 *** KenjiE20 is now known as Guest926 13:09:29 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.23.138.138] has joined #openttd 13:09:39 <dihedral> Ammler, or forbid certain client names from ever joining the server ^^ 13:09:41 <Darkvater> yeah, let's call them Guests instead of Player 13:09:44 *** player [~player@rbijker.net] has joined #openttd 13:10:00 <dihedral> [badnicks] section in the config :-D 13:10:22 <Ammler> dihedral: it is more friendly to ask "Players" to rename then just ban them, imo. 13:10:22 *** vvv444 [~a@bzq-79-177-132-229.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #openttd 13:10:26 *** vvv444 [~a@bzq-79-177-132-229.red.bezeqint.net] has left #openttd [] 13:10:30 * player votes for adding dih and dihedral 13:11:03 <dihedral> Rubidium, try joining my server with the default nick ;-) 13:11:17 <dihedral> Ammler, i never said ban 13:11:40 <dihedral> they can get an error or a prompt or something ^^ 13:11:55 <Ammler> which they get on your nightly, iirc. 13:12:09 <dihedral> nope 13:12:20 <dihedral> they get a move to specs, a message and a kick 5 seconds after that 13:12:48 <Ammler> wow, 5 secs is short to rename :-) 13:13:13 <Ammler> specially for a newbie, which most of the "players" are... 13:13:26 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 13:13:40 <Ammler> but moving to specs is a nice idea. 13:13:45 *** player [~player@rbijker.net] has quit [] 13:13:48 <Gekz> It would be helpful if you clicked multiplayer and it popped up in the middle of the screen with a name box 13:13:50 <Darkvater> 5 seconds? 13:14:05 <Gekz> for the first one 13:14:07 <Gekz> first time* 13:14:34 <Ammler> Gekz: or just if cleint_name is empty. 13:14:46 <Gekz> yes 13:14:50 <Belugas> toum te doum 13:14:51 <Gekz> that's what I mean to say 13:15:02 *** Guest926 [~KenjiE20@92.22.64.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:15:24 <Ammler> bim bala bim 13:15:39 <dihedral> Ammler: they dont need to rename in 5 seconds, they just need to read the message ;-) 13:16:06 <dihedral> and if they dont rename themselves, servers still have the client_name command :-D 13:16:11 * dihedral likes that one 13:16:39 <Darkvater> the if client-name empty() is a good suggestion 13:16:52 <dihedral> Darkvater, in that case the server will set it to Player 13:17:01 <Darkvater> although I have never seen that in a game 13:17:02 <dihedral> and that is the default value on the clients also 13:17:10 <Darkvater> you always get a default name before joining 13:17:38 <Darkvater> so the real value of he suggestion hovers somewhere around ~0 for me 13:17:38 <dihedral> yes, but on some games you can specify that they are not allowed in the game ^^ 13:18:05 <Ammler> Darkvater: many games ask you for creating a "profile" the first time... 13:18:11 <dihedral> http://openttd.dihedral.de/irc-logs/?ch=%23openttd.nightly&d=2009-03-17#976245 <- Darkvater 13:18:22 <Ammler> specially if you join servers with... 13:19:24 <Ammler> dihedral: and to which name do you rename then? 13:20:05 <Ammler> well, at coop, we could use the irc nick 13:20:09 <dihedral> i just rename if i dont like their nick (i.e. if it's something offensive) 13:21:29 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.172.136] has joined #openttd 13:21:29 <Ammler> ah, so it is a manual task 13:21:30 <dihedral> and then i try to automate that with ap+ ^^ 13:21:37 <Ammler> he :-) 13:23:00 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B782.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:25:52 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 13:26:17 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 13:28:44 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.23.138.138] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Would you like to know more?] 13:29:41 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 13:30:46 <JapaMala> you could have it take the current username as default, and have everybody named administrator :P 13:30:46 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:30:50 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:31:12 *** JapaMala is now known as |Japa| 13:33:11 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.22.86.133] has joined #openttd 13:33:23 <eQualizer> Can anyone suggest a good NoAI? 13:33:47 <glx> admiralai 13:33:54 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:35:02 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.202] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- s0 d4Mn l33t |t'z 5c4rY!] 13:38:42 <Ammler> Japa, not everybody is using windows, and the windows I use does also support "user mode". 13:39:04 <dihedral> so - then name them root ^^ 13:39:07 <dihedral> :-D 13:39:33 <Rubidium> Ammler: Windows NT (at least 2000+) supports multiple desktops yet noone seems to be using it 13:39:34 <Ammler> he, would be funny, to see someone joining as root :-) 13:40:01 <glx> Ammler: but we forgot to implement the backdoor 13:40:04 <dihedral> Ammler, seen it happen with irc clients 13:41:57 <Ammler> well, I have to admit, that I don't use user Administrator on windows, but I always add teh user to the admin group ;-) 13:42:07 <dihedral> Ammler: talking of irc clients, have you ever taken a look at xchat? 13:42:40 <Ammler> hmm, on GNOME times, yes :-) 13:42:51 <glx> Ammler: everybody do that 13:42:55 <Ammler> XeryusTC: is using it... 13:43:25 <welshdragon> dihedral: i use that when i'm on my pc 13:43:32 <glx> though on vista it's less required 13:43:47 <Rubidium> what's a pc? 13:43:54 <Rubidium> an iMac is also a pc 13:44:02 <KenjiE20> "I'm a PC" 13:44:05 <welshdragon> true 13:44:29 <Ammler> I guess, you can only setup a windows pc with non admin users, if you know, there is no other program to install later... 13:44:52 <glx> there's always something to install ;) 13:45:18 <glx> and most installers needs admin rights even when user rights are enough 13:45:32 <Ammler> indeed, so nonadmin on win is only a office thing, unuseable for private... 13:46:39 <glx> if installer is a good one it writes only in HKCU but most use HKLM 13:46:44 <Brokkoli> you dont have to install every day 13:48:11 <glx> even worse msvc 2005 needs to be run as admin if you want to debug 13:49:05 <Darkvater> glx: oh? 13:49:20 <glx> for asp.net at least 13:49:20 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.202] has joined #openttd 13:49:22 <Darkvater> I never had that and I'm using XP as a simple user, not even power 13:49:35 <glx> maybe it's vista only too 13:49:56 <Ammler> glx: makes code review adventurely :-) 13:50:50 <Ammler> do you run it in a vm then? 13:51:07 <glx> I guess it's because it needs to start a web server 13:52:18 <dihedral> Rubidium, an iMac is not a pc! 13:52:32 <Rubidium> dihedral: and why isn't it? 13:52:44 <glx> a cpc is a pc ;) 13:52:55 <dihedral> Rubidium, it's an intosh 13:52:56 <glx> a colour one :) 13:53:10 <dihedral> :-P 13:53:41 <Ammler> well, since they use intel, they lost that spirit... 13:54:00 <glx> but not the higher cost 13:54:18 <Rubidium> dihedral: so you're claiming that you can share an iMac with multiple persons working on it at the same time? 13:54:19 <Ammler> they are just expensive pcs anymore ;-) 13:54:49 <glx> well they don't have a bios 13:55:26 <el_en> Ammler: where can i buy a pc that is the size of mac mini, and is cheaper? 13:55:38 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db00416.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: bis dann] 13:55:40 <dihedral> Rubidium, of course multiple people can work on a mac at the same time 13:56:09 <Rubidium> right... an iMac only has one screen 13:56:09 <el_en> Ammler: and has same or better specs 13:56:12 <dihedral> glx, open firmware :-) 13:56:20 <el_en> dihedral: EFI 13:56:27 <glx> it's not a BIOS 13:56:38 <glx> that's why installing windows is not "easy" 13:56:40 <Ammler> we used an IMac quite a long time as webserver 13:57:09 <|Japa|> just install mac-os on a cheaper PC, simple 13:57:11 <Rubidium> and I don't think adding ten mouses and keyboards via usb hubs will make it possible for 10 people to simultaniously edit a document 13:57:29 <glx> |Japa|: it's not "easy" either ;) 13:57:31 <el_en> |Japa|: i think you just missed a lot of points. 13:57:33 <Rubidium> installing windows is easier than installing osx 13:57:56 <Rubidium> windows 'just' doesn't crash during loading it's installer 13:58:03 <el_en> Rubidium: english only, *mice 13:58:35 <|Japa|> well, me being the loneley guy I am, I'm more interested in one person using two comps at once 13:59:40 <dihedral> Rubidium, connecting multiple mice / keyboards is not what i understand under working simultaneously on a system 13:59:57 <dihedral> rather though remote connections e.g. ssh? :-P 14:00:15 <Rubidium> dihedral: then Windows doesn't run on PCs either 14:00:55 <Rubidium> cause you can work on those with multiple people at the same time using e.g. telnet or remote desktop 14:01:38 <Rubidium> but seriously all consumer computers made by Apple are PCs 14:01:59 <dihedral> Rubidium, where was my definition that mac was not a pc based on it being usable by multiple people? 14:02:06 <dihedral> i said it's an "intosh" 14:02:18 <dihedral> you were the one coming along with 'can multiple people work on it' 14:03:52 <Rubidium> dihedral: it's defined in the dictionary in that manner 14:04:00 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.22.86.133] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Now with extra fish!] 14:04:07 <dihedral> you completely missed my pun :-( 14:05:25 <Rubidium> ah well, I dislike Apple for their VERY VERY close merge of software and hardware 14:05:45 <Rubidium> e.g. the on-off button is operated/handled by the OS 14:06:40 <dihedral> and where does windows not do handle that signal? 14:06:45 <Rubidium> which becomes evident in cases you thoroughly crash your Apple with a screensaver and you can't turn it off in any manner that doesn't mean removing the power cord and waiting till be battery runs out 14:07:34 <dihedral> when my mac crashed pressing the powerbutton for a few seconds always solved it 14:07:41 <Rubidium> dihedral: windows gets a notification, but it's the motherboard that actually shuts down your computer after pressing the on-off button for 4 seconds 14:07:42 <dihedral> and that was a total of 3 times in the last 4 years 14:07:43 <[wito]> Rubidium: I don't know what machine you have that problem on, but all of my apples still respect the power-button in 6 seconds: die rule 14:07:43 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.215.0] has joined #openttd 14:08:02 <[wito]> Of course, it doesn't work with your keyboard power button 14:08:07 <dihedral> ^^ 14:08:14 <[wito]> but all the machines (I've come accross) also have a hardware button 14:08:36 <[wito]> (with the possible exception of the 1st. gen iMacs) 14:09:10 <Rubidium> ofcourse when that crash issue happened I was 'only' a newbie in the MacOS scene 14:09:23 <dihedral> that was how many years ago? 14:09:26 <Rubidium> and was forbidden access to that computer after that crash 14:09:26 <dihedral> pre os x? 14:09:30 <[wito]> It's usually a brushed steel button on the front or a white button on the back 14:09:46 <Rubidium> don't know how long ago it was exactly anymore 14:10:18 * Rubidium likes the idea of Apple to make the batteries unremovable too 14:10:19 <dihedral> os x pops up a window (after opacing the rest of the screen) saying that it's crashed and you need to hold down the power button for x seconds 14:10:37 * dihedral can remove his battery quite easily 14:10:48 <dihedral> i just need a coin ^^ 14:11:00 <Rubidium> yeah, but with those aluminium unibodies that's going to be a problem 14:11:32 <dihedral> i thought the laptops had the same mechanism 14:11:44 <dihedral> the new laptops compared to the old Gx generation 14:11:50 <dihedral> "old" 14:13:10 <Rubidium> requiring unscrewing 13 Philips screws isn't something that is consumer proof 14:13:48 <dihedral> no ^^ 14:13:54 <glx> and murphy says the last screw will be destroyed ;) 14:13:57 <dihedral> but then their batteries do last longer ^^ 14:14:01 <Rubidium> especially when the battery producer comes with an errata about the battery possibly exploding and the airlines forcing you to remove the battery from your laptop before boarding the plane 14:14:22 <dihedral> i had one of those batteries... now i miss it ^^ 14:14:26 <dihedral> it had more power :-P 14:15:26 <Rubidium> and I don't think that the airport security lets you into the secure area with a screwdriver, so it needs to go into your non-carry-on luggage 14:15:54 <|Japa|> ad with audio on the winamp now playing page = FAIL 14:16:29 <Rubidium> so you can't use your laptop after checking in your luggage 14:16:32 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.16] has joined #openttd 14:16:53 <Rubidium> that's going to be really fun when it happens ;) 14:17:13 <dihedral> my lappy has been with me on planes many times ^^ 14:17:21 <dihedral> incl. it's airport extreme card 14:17:31 <el_en> dihedral: english only, *its 14:18:09 <dihedral> just wanted to know if you were paying attention ^^ 14:18:17 <|Japa|> nah, the last screw is not destroyed, iit get's instantly warped into a quantum singularity on removal 14:18:34 <el_en> |Japa|: english only, *gets 14:19:02 <Rubidium> dihedral: its nice when someone pays attention, isn't it? 14:19:33 <el_en> (i'm not going to notice that as Rubidium did it on purpose) 14:19:50 <dihedral> el_en, you missed, "iit" 14:20:35 <el_en> dihedral: i assumed it's a simple typo. not dangerous. 14:20:39 <dihedral> Rubidium, sure its nice, but it look's like your trying to tease our poor el_en 14:20:57 <|Japa|> gah 14:21:03 <Rubidium> oh, is he around again? 14:21:21 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.202] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- \o/] 14:21:38 <DASPRiD> he's pretty round 14:21:46 <Rubidium> let's put an apo'strophe before each 's to 'signal that there i's a 's coming 14:22:04 <thingwath> pre'signal 14:22:51 <Rubidium> it''s nice to do, e'specially in when doing it to the extreme's 14:23:18 <dihedral> i think el_en is gonna 'suppre's's any comment's now 14:23:38 <dihedral> uhhh...... i mi's'sed one.... *i's 14:23:38 <glx> you failed 14:23:42 * dihedral 'smile's 14:24:14 <dihedral> glx, actually i did not, i wa's ju'st looking for word's with two e's'se's in them :-D 14:24:47 <glx> hmm maybe I'll add a script for taht 14:24:48 <Rubidium> mi's'si's'sippi 14:25:55 <glx> test 14:26:07 <TrueBrain> FAILURED 14:26:20 <glx> te'st 14:26:43 <dihedral> i want to use such a auto-replacement too 14:26:50 <dihedral> and mine just failed as well 14:26:51 <glx> 'stupid language it''s ('str, to ,from) 14:27:15 <TrueBrain> glx: that really i's 'stupid ye's ... 14:27:20 <TrueBrain> what language i's that? 14:27:28 <glx> kvirc 'script 14:27:32 <TrueBrain> 'sucks 14:27:33 <TrueBrain> DOH! 14:27:48 * dihedral can write plugins in tcl ^^ 14:28:00 <TrueBrain> hmmm .. I wonder how to write thi's: 14:28:08 <TrueBrain> 's/'s/''s/g 14:28:09 <TrueBrain> ghehe 14:29:52 <petern> oh dear 14:30:01 <TrueBrain> ye's darling? 14:30:08 <petern> liquid lunch 14:30:40 <glx> test 14:31:01 <glx> grr I failed to filter on chan name 14:31:08 <TrueBrain> poor glx 14:34:11 <glx> te'st 14:34:14 <glx> work's :) 14:34:17 <el_en> r u 'sure u don't wan't 'to prefix all 't's a's well? 14:34:19 <TrueBrain> concratz :) 14:34:52 <glx> I could remove 'space's too 14:35:11 <TrueBrain> 'soyouwanttotalklikethi'sor'something? 14:35:19 <TrueBrain> nowthatwouldbeveryhardtoreadforany'saneper'son 14:36:27 <dihedral> 'i' 't'h'i'n'k' 'i' 'w'a'n't' 't'o' 'p'r'e'f'i'x' 'e'v'e'r'y' 'c'h'a'r' 'i' 't'y'p'e'!' 14:36:33 <petern> thi's get's u's nowhere 14:36:45 <glx> indeed :) 14:36:58 <petern> (some people *do* write get's :/) 14:37:27 <dihedral> set and get's fun 14:37:36 <glx> lol 14:37:49 <Belugas> wellwhynotremoveallspacesthen 14:37:59 * TrueBrain hugs Belugas 14:38:01 <Rubidium> petern: or sai'd or saied or sayed 14:38:01 <glx> dihedral: 're 14:38:29 <TrueBrain> so: get's fun 14:38:30 <TrueBrain> :p 14:38:45 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:39:17 <Rubidium> wh nt rmv ll vwls? 14:39:41 <Belugas> wrkfnbm 14:39:43 <TrueBrain> why not all just shut up and go do something useful? :p 14:39:53 <dihedral> vwls nd spcs 14:39:58 <dihedral> ps 14:40:03 <dihedral> vwlsndspcs 14:40:25 <glx> that's scriptable too ;) 14:40:25 <el_en> that must be czech 14:40:26 <dihedral> TrBrn:plythgmewths 14:40:30 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeji95.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 14:40:36 <TrueBrain> dihedral: 'e' :p 14:40:36 <Rubidium> ooooa 14:40:55 <dihedral> awww... shoot - i lost 14:41:05 <TrueBrain> now go stand in a corner 14:41:38 * dihedral steps into the corner of the room :-( 14:41:43 <dihedral> *sniff* 14:41:46 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: that's lame; now he may chose a corner he likes 14:41:57 <petern> So, yeah, English only? 14:42:08 <Rubidium> like CORNER_INVALID 14:42:11 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: yeah .. the benefit of being the first who loses :p 14:42:32 <petern> Oh, I see, this whole 'conversation' started with a get's :/ 14:42:34 <dihedral> ptrn: ppl ll f sddn mks sns 14:42:54 <petern> Pardon? 14:43:03 <glx> hmm I don't get it 14:43:46 <dihedral> "petern: ppl all of a sudden makes sense" 14:43:56 <glx> oh 14:43:58 <dihedral> ppl = removed vowels 14:43:58 <petern> makes? 14:44:04 <petern> oh 14:44:17 <petern> i see 14:44:19 <el_en> how about a Tolkien-style English Only rule; only germanic words allowed, not french and latin? 14:44:33 <dihedral> arsch 14:44:34 <dihedral> ^^ 14:44:38 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:45:06 <[wito]> Oh my. 14:45:35 <el_en> I've been taught that the Rohirrim did not use any french/latin-origin words in the book(s). 14:48:32 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm166.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 15:07:41 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 15:08:03 <pavel1269> hello 15:11:08 <Belugas> damned... i'm forced to install perl for a bug to fix :( 15:14:44 <DASPRiD> haha 15:22:33 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:22:47 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:34:45 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 15:39:10 *** Aali_ is now known as Aali 15:46:25 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:53:44 <TrueBrain> I wonder ... did anyone ever notice that the big image at www.openttd.org is different every day of the week? :p 15:56:15 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.202] has joined #openttd 15:56:26 <[wito]> the one under the logo? 15:56:34 <TrueBrain> under the big logo, yes 15:57:11 <[wito]> that is to say, the banner 15:59:13 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet565.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 16:00:07 <dihedral> TrueBrain, did you forget that i noticed that before the page was live? 16:00:17 <TrueBrain> dihedral: did you forget I was not asking you? :p 16:00:29 <TrueBrain> dihedral: shouldn't you be going home or something? :p 16:00:34 <dihedral> :-( 16:00:37 <petern> did you forget that nobody cares? 16:00:39 * dihedral sobs 16:00:47 <dihedral> ^^ 16:00:48 <petern> 4pm... no home time yet :( 16:00:55 <dihedral> i am at home :-P 16:01:03 <TrueBrain> petern: that is not a nice thing to say :( 16:01:05 <|Japa|> did you guys forget that it's : here? 16:01:10 <|Japa|> >.< 16:01:17 * |Japa| needs a new keyboard 16:01:35 <petern> it's : here, eh? 16:01:58 <dihedral> or its? :-P 16:03:13 <|Japa|> it's 9:30 but the keyboard I type on don't have working numbers 16:03:16 <|Japa|> pm 16:03:29 <petern> doesn't 16:04:40 <|Japa|> is currently lacking 16:04:45 <|Japa|> happy? 16:07:59 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:14:01 *** Mortal is now known as Guest954 16:14:04 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:15:09 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5DEEC.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:19:11 <[wito]> eww 12 hr clock 16:19:27 *** Guest954 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:22:07 <|Japa|> as far as I'm concerned, it's eww digital 16:23:20 <[wito]> wut? 16:23:27 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:23:43 <[wito]> digital <-> analog; 12hr clock <-> 24hr clock 16:23:51 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:24:02 <|Japa|> I can't type analog 16:24:11 <[wito]> you have digital 12hr clocks and 24hr analog watches 16:24:17 <|Japa|> any typing is automatically digital 16:25:16 <|Japa|> as for twenty four hour, matter of what your comfortable with 16:25:18 <Yexo> non-digital typing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typewriter 16:25:26 <|Japa|> I have to convert in my head 16:26:06 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.202] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Like it? Visit #hydrairc on EFNet] 16:33:25 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:33:29 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:34:19 <Yexo> TrueBrain: did you change anything related to the wiki lately? 16:34:23 <Yexo> 1. I can't logout anymore 16:34:30 <Yexo> 2. It's impossible to create a new account 16:34:50 <Yexo> 3. IE reports scripting errors on every page, it didn't do that a few days ago 16:35:58 <TrueBrain> Yexo: as I said, there is a new httpd serving the pages ;) 16:36:00 <TrueBrain> let me check 16:36:06 <glx> logout fail confirmed 16:37:07 <TrueBrain> try it now 16:37:22 <Yexo> it works now 16:37:40 <Yexo> the errors in IE are gone too 16:37:46 <TrueBrain> IE sucks anyway 16:38:17 <Yexo> now the links in the box on the left (Main page/Community portal/Current events/etc.) are broken 16:38:36 <glx> hmm it does work with IETab 16:38:37 <Yexo> every link seems broken 16:38:47 <TrueBrain> mediawiki is broken :( 16:39:16 <petern> lol 16:39:17 <petern> nice job 16:39:18 <Yexo> glx: can you follow any link in IE(tab)? 16:39:35 <TrueBrain> it doesn't allow removing the 'index.php' part without .. well .. fucking up :p 16:40:06 <glx> hmm it seems my ie is broken :/ 16:40:08 *** Wolle [R4R@p57B0C0E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:41:13 *** Mortal is now known as Guest966 16:42:14 <glx> ok restarted ff and now ie works :) 16:42:38 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:43:03 <TrueBrain> k .. a dirty hack 16:43:05 <TrueBrain> but it should work now 16:43:28 *** Guest966 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:43:49 <TrueBrain> working might not be the correct word to descrive this .. 16:44:35 <glx> with ietab each link adds a / 16:44:43 <TrueBrain> glx: has nothing to do with ietab 16:44:51 <glx> yes it's ie 16:44:54 *** Mortal is now known as Guest968 16:44:54 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:44:57 <TrueBrain> ..... okay, if you say so 16:45:08 <Yexo> glx: I had the same with ff, but now it's gone 16:45:12 <TrueBrain> it has absolutely nothing to do with the fact I just told mediawiki to do that ... 16:45:18 <TrueBrain> sigh 16:45:21 <Yexo> and I can't reproduce it with ie either 16:45:24 <glx> indeed it's ok now 16:45:39 <TrueBrain> anyway, problem description: mediawiki makes a link to, say, Main_Page like: /Main_Page 16:45:45 <TrueBrain> those links are prefixed with 'wgScript' 16:45:49 <TrueBrain> normally that is 'index.php' 16:45:55 <TrueBrain> I wanted to remove 'index.php' 16:46:01 <TrueBrain> euh, '/index.php' 16:46:09 <TrueBrain> so instead of /index.php/Main_Page 16:46:13 <TrueBrain> it should be /Main_Page 16:46:18 <TrueBrain> but now links like ?login 16:46:24 <TrueBrain> become /Main_Page?login, instead of /?login 16:46:35 <TrueBrain> so .. I added the '/' instead of the '/index.php' 16:46:39 <TrueBrain> but now the link is //Main_Page 16:46:45 <TrueBrain> which is seen as http://Main_Page/ 16:46:46 <TrueBrain> :s 16:46:57 <TrueBrain> so mediawiki is broken by design :p 16:47:13 *** Mortal is now known as Guest974 16:47:14 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:47:32 <Belugas> don't you like it to receive an email requesting for opinion about a possible feature, and to see that request in the forums as well? 16:47:46 <TrueBrain> Belugas: I don't like emails :p 16:48:05 <glx> I can't login 16:48:22 <TrueBrain> glx: care reading above? might give you the reason why .. 16:48:55 *** Mortal is now known as Guest975 16:48:58 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:49:59 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fdb2c.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:51:03 *** Guest968 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:51:59 *** Mortal is now known as Guest981 16:52:03 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:52:13 <TrueBrain> @kick Mortal come back when your connection is stable 16:52:13 *** Mortal was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [come back when your connection is stable] 16:52:15 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:52:23 <TrueBrain> @kban Mortal 30 come back when your connection is stable 16:52:24 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] by DorpsGek 16:52:24 *** Mortal was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [come back when your connection is stable] 16:52:54 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] by DorpsGek 16:53:36 <glx> now it's totally dead :) 16:53:54 <TrueBrain> glx: maybe you can give useful input, as maybe a suggestion how to fix the situation above? :p 16:54:30 *** Guest974 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:55:06 <glx> it seems to work correctly now 16:55:18 <TrueBrain> long live undocumented features! 16:56:00 *** Guest975 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:56:24 <TrueBrain> Yexo: can you confirm? 16:56:30 <Yexo> yes, works fine now 16:56:47 <glx> logout/login and no index.php :) 16:57:00 <TrueBrain> gna! And that all within the LocalSettings.php 16:57:02 <TrueBrain> lol 16:57:45 <TrueBrain> hmm .. the https version only fails .. 16:57:47 <TrueBrain> grr 16:58:33 *** Guest981 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:59:45 *** caladan [caladan@stallman.rootnode.net] has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 17:05:26 *** Sacro [~ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:08:08 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B833B3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:08:12 *** caladan [caladan@stallman.rootnode.net] has joined #openttd 17:08:34 <TrueBrain> glx / Yexo: still working as expected? 17:09:11 <Yexo> yes\ 17:09:23 <glx> yes 17:09:36 <TrueBrain> https://secure.openttd.org/wiki/ <- can you also check that, if I didn't miss something obvious? 17:09:45 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B805A1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:09:48 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 17:10:14 <Yexo> works fine too 17:10:17 <petern> nope 17:10:23 <petern> it removes the wiki/ part 17:10:33 <TrueBrain> petern: indeed .. but not always :s 17:10:40 <petern> left menu is fine, content is not 17:11:51 <TrueBrain> I thought they built from the same variable ... clearly I am wrong :p 17:12:10 <petern> you'd think so wouldn't you... 17:12:11 <glx> secure works 17:12:27 <glx> (after I remembered my password :) 17:14:21 <TrueBrain> let me guess .... collision in memcache .... 17:16:03 <TrueBrain> oh jolly .... 17:22:25 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:22:37 <TrueBrain> okay .. if the cache of your browsers expire, it should now work correctly on both secure as on wiki :) 17:22:41 <TrueBrain> petern: can you confirm that for me? 17:24:10 <petern> the links work 17:24:14 <petern> i've not tried logging in at all 17:24:26 <TrueBrain> the links is what I cared about :) 17:24:28 <TrueBrain> tnx! 17:26:19 <TrueBrain> k, let me know if there are any other problems :) 17:37:10 <frosch123> btw. wouldn't it be useful if the "Donations" link on the wiki would link to the usual donation page, instead of the duplicate on the wiki 17:42:25 <Belugas> can anyone kick prodigit big time? 17:42:28 <Belugas> such a wimp 17:42:33 <Belugas> helllo frosch123 17:42:55 <frosch123> afternoon belugas :) 17:44:02 <Ammler> just wondering, why do you use a host "secure" for ssl and not *.openttd.org? 17:45:36 <Ammler> (doesn't cacert allow wildcard certs?) 17:45:58 <TinoDidriksen> The usual excuse is that wildcard certs are expensive, but seems it's a self-signed cert anyway so wouldn't matter. 17:46:27 <KingJ> CACert allows wildcards, i've used one myself 17:46:28 <Ammler> no, it isn't 17:47:23 <Ammler> TinoDidriksen: but casert are ususally not installed on the most browsers. 17:48:14 <TinoDidriksen> Indeed, including latest Firefox. 17:48:37 *** MrFrans [~MrFrans@a80-101-158-105.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:48:54 <Ammler> that is quite sad... 17:48:59 *** MrFrans [~MrFrans@a80-101-158-105.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:49:38 * frosch123 enjoys prodigit's topic :) 17:49:50 <TinoDidriksen> So one has to click 4-5 times to ever see the actual site with such a cert, same as with self-signed ones. 17:53:52 <TrueBrain> frosch123: I think that would be useful 17:54:30 <TrueBrain> wildcards in certs do not truly exist .. it is more abuse 17:54:38 <TrueBrain> but we have a cert for all ssl domains 17:54:55 <frosch123> TrueBrain: then it is your turn, I do not seem to have the rights for that 17:54:56 <TrueBrain> we just rather avoid using SSN or what is it called .. as not all browsers use that 17:55:02 <TrueBrain> frosch123: neither do I :( 17:55:39 <TrueBrain> I can't type .... 17:55:45 <TrueBrain> s/all sll domains/all domains/ 17:55:54 <TrueBrain> s/use that/support that/ 17:56:04 <Ammler> TinoDidriksen: cacert is quite common for opensouce sites, so if you would install the authority cert, you would be fine 17:57:53 <Ammler> TrueBrain: but those browsers support virtual domains? 17:57:55 <TrueBrain> either way, https://www.openttd.org works fine 17:58:07 <TrueBrain> Ammler: virtual ssl domains is MUCH MORE new than HTTP/1.1 is .. 17:58:48 <Ammler> hmm, I guess, we don't speak about the same :-) 17:59:18 <Ammler> well, nvm. was just wondering... 17:59:59 <TrueBrain> I wonder about what you wonder, as https works on all domains :p 18:01:17 <Ammler> hehe, forwards ;-) 18:01:31 <TrueBrain> I believe only bananas isn't in the certificate yet 18:01:36 <TrueBrain> but that happens at next renew 18:02:03 <Ammler> but if the forward works, why wouldn't it work without "secure" 18:02:26 <TrueBrain> it would; we just choose to use this convention 18:02:30 <TrueBrain> much easier and much more clear 18:02:40 <TrueBrain> if your url is secure.openttd.org, you are over a TLS connection 18:02:49 <TrueBrain> (smtp, imap, http, .......) 18:03:46 <petern> ammler talks of wildcard ssl 18:03:55 <TrueBrain> useless things to have 18:03:59 <TrueBrain> like wildcard dns entries 18:04:04 <TrueBrain> or wildcard (catchall) emails 18:04:11 <TinoDidriksen> Wildcard makes life easy. 18:04:22 <TrueBrain> makes you lazy 18:04:51 <TinoDidriksen> Catchall email makes it even easier...I enjoy signing up to sites as domainname@projectjj.com instead of having to use + notation. 18:05:16 <petern> catch-all email is great for getting spam 18:05:27 <TrueBrain> spammer will thank you TinoDidriksen 18:06:55 <TinoDidriksen> I have good filters, so never bothered me. 18:07:17 *** FransCharming [~MrFrans@a80-101-158-105.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:07:38 <Ammler> TinoDidriksen: I forwarded *@ammler.ch to my gmail account 18:08:07 <Ammler> after some time, google.ch blocked my mailserver because of too much spam. :-) 18:08:45 <TinoDidriksen> And wildcard DNS is lovely. Makes managing subdomains much easier...set a vhost to load X.domain.tld from public_html/X/ and people are happy. Only www needs special treatment that way. 18:09:09 <TrueBrain> it indeed takes so much time to add an entry in your DNS table .. lol :) 18:09:12 <TrueBrain> as I said: lazy! 18:09:42 <TinoDidriksen> It's easy to add. Not so fun to wait for it to propagate. 18:09:53 <TrueBrain> new entries are instant 18:09:59 <TrueBrain> else you need to get a real DNS service 18:10:02 <TrueBrain> (I can offer you one ;)) 18:10:44 <petern> (and don't use the propagate 'myth'amongst techies) 18:12:51 *** MrFrans [~MrFrans@a80-101-158-105.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:13:25 <TinoDidriksen> I use gratisdns.dk - best service I've ever had. Anyway, wildcarding makes life easier. Why spend time managing when you can set it up once and have it Just Work for near eternity thereafter? 18:13:44 <TrueBrain> I hate repeating myself, but: lazy! 18:14:15 * petern plays with code::blocks 18:14:16 <TinoDidriksen> It's all about being lazy...that's what we do - find ways to be lazy. Disguised as efficiency, but still. 18:14:41 * petern 's custom web interface for dns is lazy, but still... 18:14:48 <TrueBrain> TinoDidriksen: I've been doing the job of sysop for years now .. after a while you notice it is not as efficient as you might think ;) 18:15:14 * petern remembers the days when he had to edit configs on several dns servers for just one change 18:15:19 <TrueBrain> openttd.org has 25 subdomains .. wildcards makes that a bit ... euh ... untransparent ;) 18:15:28 <TrueBrain> petern: hehe :) The good new days ;) 18:16:09 <petern> i prefer my web interface to be honest 18:16:48 <TinoDidriksen> Worked fine for me for the past 8 years. If I want to use a new subdomain I just create the folder and start using it; no need to fiddle with DNS unless I want it on another IP, which is very rare. 18:17:19 <TrueBrain> oh, why do I bother .. I talk to you again in a few years, see if you still think so :) 18:18:38 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:18:45 <Ammler> TinoDidriksen: how does that work? sub.yourdomain.com = yourdomain.com/sub or sub.yourdomain.com/sub ? 18:19:03 <petern> that would work however you set up your web server 18:19:13 <TrueBrain> I think Ammler doesn't understand ;) 18:19:32 <TinoDidriksen> In my case, sub.domain.tld is served from that user's public_html/sub/ 18:19:37 <petern> most "subdomains" (i call them host names) that i use are not for web serving... 18:19:37 <TinoDidriksen> Except www. 18:20:56 <Ammler> TrueBrain: well, no need, it is quite useless, imo. 18:21:25 <TrueBrain> you? 18:21:29 <TrueBrain> or why else you say it to me? 18:21:57 <Ammler> I am answering you :-) 18:22:10 <TrueBrain> you consider something useless you don't understand 18:22:13 <TrueBrain> now that is .. useless :p 18:22:40 <Ammler> I am having subdomains redirected to subfolders of maindomain... 18:22:53 <TinoDidriksen> That would be horrible for most of my work... 18:22:54 <Ammler> !s/am/mean/ 18:23:16 <TrueBrain> www.openttd.org/binaries .. no .. that would be useless and horrible indeed ;) :p 18:23:55 <TinoDidriksen> sub.domain.tld does not have to equal domain.tld/sub - .htaccess or other things can interfere with that, and behavior of sites may differ depending on whether they think they're in the root or not. 18:25:52 <thingwath> how is it different from having just domain.tld/sub? 18:26:25 <TrueBrain> use subdomains where they are for, or don't use them at all :) 18:27:38 <TinoDidriksen> Scoping of cookies, scripts, paths, etc...lots of differences in behavior. 18:28:09 <Ammler> hmm, cookies, indeed. 18:28:34 <Ammler> that is something, not working on our server, I suspect. 18:30:02 <TinoDidriksen> Development of a new app designed to be served from the root of a domain, etc. Lots of use cases for subdomains where subfolders just won't do as easily. 18:32:20 <TrueBrain> anyway, secure.openttd.org is simular to domein.tld/sub I guess .. works relative well for most projects, not for all ;) (they demand to be in the root) 18:34:21 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm166.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: teeheehee] 18:36:35 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:37:25 <eQualizer> ! 18:37:49 <eQualizer> 0.7.0-RC1 crashed when I tried to save. 18:37:49 <TrueBrain> @ 18:37:59 <eQualizer> Something about missing TTD files :E 18:42:23 <Forked> "something"? =p 18:42:56 <eQualizer> I just hit Okay and restarted OpenTTD. 18:48:51 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.7/2009021910]] 18:49:45 <Yexo> eQualizer: most likely a dup of FS#2742, can you upload your crash.dmp somewhere (assuming you use windows)? 18:50:01 <eQualizer> I'm on Mac. 18:50:49 <Yexo> did you click on the tiny grey bar betweenthe file list and the input box with the filename? 18:51:17 <eQualizer> I'm not 100% sure, but could be. 18:59:56 <TrueBrain> clicking on a FS# link in vcs.openttd.org/svn finally works :) 19:02:21 *** Frostregen [~frost@dslb-084-058-162-027.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:04:27 <glx> nice :) 19:04:44 <TrueBrain> maybeit is more a fact of finally took the time to .. but who cares 19:04:44 <glx> it used to link to trac items 19:04:55 <TrueBrain> it still does ;) Which has a httpd redirect on it now :p 19:05:32 <TrueBrain> hmmm ... I am out of drinks .. sucks .. 19:05:37 <glx> I don't care how done if it works ;) 19:05:44 <glx> +it's 19:20:41 *** FransCharming [~MrFrans@a80-101-158-105.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:21:01 *** FransCharming [~MrFrans@a80-101-158-105.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:29:47 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:30:33 <pavel1269> _age_cargo_skip_counter is counted even if train is still in station ... right? 19:31:46 <ecke> is there any option to allow autoreplace GEC Class 91 with GEC-A "Eurostar" when freight train? 19:33:39 <Yexo> put all freight train in the same group and replace the engine for that group only 19:34:31 *** Frostregen [~frost@dslb-084-058-162-027.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:37:28 *** Frostregen [~frost@dslb-084-058-162-027.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:38:16 *** MrFrans [~MrFrans@a80-101-158-105.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:38:34 <ecke> Yexo is there some server settings or something much easier than moving 60 trains to one group one by one? 19:39:21 <Yexo> if you trains have shared orders, put one of themin the new group and use the "Move all shared order-vehicles here" <- that option is named something else, but you get what I mean 19:42:08 <ecke> Yexo http://ron-parani.ic.cz/data/miranda_files/shot00276.png 19:42:28 *** FransCharming [~MrFrans@a80-101-158-105.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:42:32 <Yexo> it's under "manage list" 19:43:06 <Sacro> wtf 19:43:10 <Sacro> 91 hauled freight? 19:43:30 <Sacro> slab end first too 19:44:13 <ecke> Yexo i think a dont have shared orders... 19:44:22 <ecke> Sacro ? 19:44:28 <Sacro> Yes? 19:44:44 <Sacro> also, ICQ, not seen that in yers 19:44:45 <ecke> dont understand.. .slab end first too 19:45:08 <TrueBrain> does ICQ still exist?! 19:45:11 <Sacro> well a 91 has two ends 19:45:25 <Sacro> front <------] back 19:45:30 <Sacro> the back is the slab end 19:45:41 <Sacro> which tends to face the middle 19:45:50 <ecke> hm.. there is only one ... :) 19:46:02 <ecke> yy 19:46:04 <ecke> bug? 19:46:11 <Sacro> also, 91s don't haul freight :p 19:46:16 <Sacro> they are express passenger 19:46:29 <pavel1269> i bet he knows 19:46:52 <ecke> Sacro ... but its fastest :) 19:46:56 <Sacro> errm 19:47:00 <ecke> :D 19:47:04 <Sacro> well the mineral trains are limited to 45 19:47:12 <Sacro> 91 can do 140ish 19:47:22 <Sacro> use a 90 for freight if you must 19:47:23 <ecke> looks that you are realistic 19:47:38 <Sacro> Yeah 19:47:50 <Sacro> well, it's more practical too 19:47:54 <ecke> ..hm i like whem my trains move fast :) 19:48:05 <ecke> *when 19:48:43 <Sacro> heh 19:48:47 *** MrFrans [~MrFrans@a80-101-158-105.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:48:51 <thingwath> idea of BR class 91 in Ostrava is itself so funny, that it really doesn't matter what would it haul :) 19:49:15 <pavel1269> :-D 19:49:21 <pavel1269> good point thought 19:50:13 <ecke> :D 19:51:56 *** MrFrans [~MrFrans@a80-101-158-105.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:54:47 <ecke> doesnt work [20:33:31] Yexo: put all freight train in the same group and replace the engine for that group only 19:55:02 <Yexo> ecke: what doesn't work? 19:55:14 <ecke> put all freight train in the same group and replace the engine for that group only 19:55:22 <Yexo> what doesn't work about that? 19:55:47 <Yexo> do you get an error message, are the wrong trains replaced, ie what doesn't behave as you think it should? 19:56:47 <pavel1269> he wanted to raplace that train? :-D 19:56:51 <pavel1269> *replace 19:57:32 <pavel1269> he didnt wanted just to replace fraight train ;) 19:57:42 <ecke> Autorenew failed on Train 72 These train vehicles are not compatible 19:58:32 <el_en> pavel1269: *didn't want 19:59:16 <pavel1269> ahh, thanks ... need to get better in english, didnt notice that had 2* ed :-) 19:59:23 <ecke> http://ron-parani.ic.cz/data/miranda_files/shot00277.png 19:59:37 <el_en> pavel1269: *didn't 19:59:50 <pavel1269> come on, everyone know this one :-D 20:00:07 <el_en> sadly not 20:00:32 <Yexo> ecke: what openttd version are you using? 20:00:38 <Yexo> I can't find that error message in trunk 20:00:39 <pavel1269> so ecke, "je jakub online?" :-) 20:01:21 <pavel1269> Yexo: STR_VEHICLE_AUTORENEW_FAILED ? 20:01:32 <Yexo> pavel1269: and what about the second part? 20:01:35 <ecke> http://ron-parani.ic.cz/data/OTTD/client.zip 20:01:37 <Yexo> I alreadyfound that string 20:01:59 <ecke> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=42254 20:02:03 <Yexo> ecke: that is not a version, I ment what patches are aplied, etc. 20:02:09 <ecke> openttd-is2.0beta1-win32.zip [1.86 MiB] 20:02:09 <ecke> Downloaded 58 times 20:02:31 <pavel1269> oh, good point :-) 20:03:02 <ecke> on server running openttd-IS-2.0beta1-hb40dd43f-linux-i686.tar.bz2 [3.23 MiB] 20:03:48 <Yexo> ecke: sorry, can't help you 20:03:59 <ecke> ./openttd -c openttd.cfg -D ... btw once i paused > saved >chamged same options in cfg > load >run > connect 20:04:00 <Yexo> that string is not in trunk,so the only thing Ican say is complain to the patch author 20:04:23 <Yexo> changing settings in the config file doens't change them for savegames 20:05:04 <ecke> Yexo btw th ISbeta1 is based on 0.7.0 beta 1 20:05:40 <Aali> no it isn't 20:05:50 <Aali> and it certainly doesn't add that string 20:06:07 <Yexo> Aali: which trunk revision is ISbeta1 based on? 20:06:30 *** const86 [const@tower.mimas.ru] has quit [Quit: I'll be back] 20:07:11 <Aali> r15647 20:07:45 <ecke> heh 20:08:09 <Yexo> I can't find that string in r15647 either 20:08:59 <Aali> is it possible to set that error string from the newgrf itself? 20:09:14 <Yexo> yes 20:09:18 <Yexo> so that's the only option left 20:09:30 <Yexo> ecke: in that case: you're out of luck, use another engine 20:10:01 <ecke> :/ 20:12:54 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@145.118.72.64] has left #openttd [Konversation terminated!] 20:12:57 *** MrFrans [~MrFrans@a80-101-158-105.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:15:02 <Ammler> ecke: have you SDL installed on your server? 20:15:18 <Ammler> or is that a new feature of openttd? 20:15:51 <Ammler> (running dedicated without need of SDL) 20:17:08 <ecke> Ammler libsdl1.2-dev (required) 20:17:33 <ecke> http://wiki.openttd.org/GNU/Linux ...... libsdl1.2-dev instaled 20:19:09 <Ammler> updated my tt-forums thread with the dedicated version, so you wouldn't need sdl. 20:19:31 *** const86 [~const@tower.mimas.ru] has joined #openttd 20:20:10 <Ammler> he, the bundle is "just" 10 kB smaller ;-) 20:20:37 <ecke> Ammler ... but it doesn solved my problme right? 20:20:45 <ecke> didnt solve 20:20:46 <Ammler> of course not. 20:21:06 <ecke> :/ 20:21:56 <ecke> and where is problem in used revision or in patch? ... in other version is it posible this type of replacement? 20:22:29 <Ammler> which set do you use? 20:22:58 *** Frostregen [~frost@dslb-084-058-162-027.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:23:44 *** paul_ [~paul@host81-158-78-47.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:24:28 <ecke> set? you mean newgrf? 20:24:41 <Ammler> trainset, yes. 20:25:26 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:25:51 <ecke> Ammler http://ron-parani.ic.cz/data/miranda_files/shot00278.png 20:28:39 <ecke> Ammler UK renewal 20:28:52 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host81-158-78-47.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:28:59 <Belugas> how nice... "does not work like i like it to work, therefor it must be a bug" :S 20:29:04 <Belugas> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=42454 20:29:06 <Belugas> pffff... 20:29:08 <Belugas> users... 20:31:54 <petern> :D 20:32:08 * petern sticks to his usual trick of ignoring it 20:32:30 <Ammler> lol, he is using version 0.5 just because of that? 20:33:41 <Belugas> hu... it's not REALISTIC!!!! 20:33:43 <Belugas> prrrrrrrrt 20:34:23 <planetmaker> good evening 20:37:09 <Belugas> It won't give up 20:37:15 <Belugas> It wants me dead 20:37:21 <Belugas> and God Damn this noise 20:37:28 <Belugas> inside my head! 20:38:30 <Ammler> I wan't more "unrealistic" features 20:38:35 <Ammler> -' 20:38:56 <Ammler> like ingame rivers :-) 20:40:31 <Belugas> and Play GOD 20:40:57 <planetmaker> GOD MODE :) 20:43:10 <petern> Ammler, write it 20:43:32 <Ammler> petern: roujin already did 20:43:44 <planetmaker> ingame rivers != lively rivers 20:44:10 <Ammler> lively rivers is too realistic :P 20:44:40 <goodger> bwarp --- bwarp --- bwarp --- realism detected --- this is not a drill... 20:44:52 <Belugas> watisdediference? 20:45:47 <Ammler> Belugas: ingame rivers is the feature already in scenario editor, just also available ingame. 20:46:07 <Belugas> buwhahahaha!!!! 20:47:05 <Ammler> and is declined because of I-don't-have-enough-brave-to-say-it-again 20:47:38 <petern> enough brave! 20:47:49 <planetmaker> courage. 20:47:58 <Ammler> hmm, just thought about, can't have it, he :-) 20:48:21 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5DEEC.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:51:50 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 20:56:21 <DASPRiD> openttd needs dual-screen support :) 20:56:25 <DASPRiD> planetmaker, oh, hi! 20:57:02 <planetmaker> DASPRiD: :) 20:57:16 <planetmaker> DASPRiD: I've no problem with two screens an openttd 20:57:24 <planetmaker> *and 20:57:32 <DASPRiD> planetmaker, that actually works fine? gotta test that 20:57:34 <petern> sdl needs dual-screen support 20:57:47 <planetmaker> It works on my linux box :) 20:57:49 <DASPRiD> planetmaker, got my second monitor replaced btw :) 20:57:53 <DASPRiD> http://home.dasprids.de/IMG_3530.JPG 20:57:59 <planetmaker> just drag the window over the two monitors and enjoy 20:58:08 <petern> that isn't dual-screen support 20:58:20 <planetmaker> well. Sufficient IMO :) 20:58:44 *** paul_ [~paul@host81-158-78-47.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:58:56 <petern> H 20:59:16 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host81-158-78-47.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:00:30 <Belugas> that desk is ugly 21:00:34 <Belugas> it's way too clean 21:00:41 <DASPRiD> lol 21:00:42 <Belugas> it HAS to be messier!! 21:00:47 <DASPRiD> sorry i have a maid :P 21:01:00 <Belugas> i'd prefer a mermaid ,yself 21:01:39 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-71fae253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 21:01:51 <ecke> is it some way possible change freight_trains to 0 ? 21:02:06 <Zuu> Why would you like to do that? 21:02:24 <Zuu> You could try editing your openttd.cfg, but I doubt it will work. 21:02:39 <Zuu> And openttd.cfg will only affect new games. 21:02:59 <ecke> hm 21:03:00 <Yexo> that won't work 21:03:07 <Zuu> You most likely need to change the code to accept values below 0, and then fix any zero divisions that make happen. 21:03:08 <Yexo> and like Zuu said, why would you want that? 21:03:24 <Zuu> below 1* 21:04:07 <Zuu> make => may 21:06:29 <Zuu> Yexo: I think i said it before when you was afk, but you made a good job by quickly implementing that the AI debug window is shown when an AI crashess. :) 21:06:39 <Yexo> thanks :) 21:06:49 <Yexo> now lets hope it improves the reports from users 21:07:06 <Zuu> When I saw the email, my first though was that it was rejected, because you was so fast :) 21:07:31 <Yexo> nah, it was a nice suggestions, and easy to implement 21:07:45 <Zuu> Yep, I hope so too. 21:08:14 <Zuu> It is actually not much in the way when developing either. Quite nice if you don't have it open that you get informed that the AI crashed. 21:10:54 <Zuu> One thing you could think of is to add a warning box if someone has selected to have > 0 competors and have not downloaded any AIs. 21:11:47 <Zuu> Perhaps issue the waring when pressing generate button or, have it appear after the map has been generated (as that can probably be more generic to work also for height maps etc.) 21:12:11 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 21:12:55 <Zuu> If you want to I can file such a suggestion on flyspray. 21:13:56 <Yexo> when the users has no AIs, the dummy AI is loaded 21:14:18 <Yexo> the only thing the dummy ai does is printing 3 lines (via AILog::Error) that says the users should download an AI 21:14:36 <ecke> .... so i need some way change freight_trains to 0 in saved game... 21:14:46 <Yexo> the debug panel is opened (so the users can read it), but no warning box is shown saying the user should report the crash 21:14:56 <Yexo> ecke: as already said, that's no possible without recompiling openttd 21:15:04 <Yexo> ecke: and why do you want to do that? 21:15:58 <ecke> Yexo as i said i d like to use eurostar for freight trains 21:17:01 <Zuu> Yexo: Then that should be okay, if the debug panel is opened and shows those lines. At least if the users understand to read from bottom and up. 21:17:05 <ecke> i make one big mistake... before starting game a copied cfg from another game where was freight_trains on 1 .... 21:17:22 <Yexo> ecke: you can't set that value to 0 21:17:36 <Yexo> if you want to change it in-game, open the console and type "set freight_trains <newvalue>" 21:17:42 <Zuu> ecke: 1 means, freight trains have 1 times the usual weight. 21:17:52 <Yexo> console is openend with ~ (key left to 1 on your keyboard) 21:17:52 <Zuu> 2 = 2 times usual weight etc. 21:18:00 <ecke> mnt 21:18:08 <Zuu> 0 would mean weight less trains. 21:18:14 <Belugas> so 0 means it's a balloon 21:18:47 <Belugas> and gone means i'm gone 21:18:49 <Belugas> bye all 21:18:59 <Zuu> bye Belugas 21:19:11 <ecke> Zuu .. damn .. i lost in these options 21:19:54 <Zuu> I think it is called freight train weight _multiplier_, which if you know some basic math terms should tell you what it is doing. 21:20:42 <Ammler> ecke, default set has eurostart 21:21:48 <ecke> Ammler ... i am trying to solve which settings cause my problem 21:22:27 <Ammler> did you read the readme of the set? 21:24:29 <ecke> hmm it caused by set... now i tried that 21:27:19 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@f051022178.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 21:30:16 <ecke> so its cause by grfset... how to change grfset? :D 21:30:23 <ecke> edit 21:33:07 <glx> don't change newgrf in a running game 21:33:18 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-225-51.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:34:06 <Ammler> glx: rephrase it: "it is not recommend to change newgrf settings in a running game" ;-) 21:34:40 <glx> better not do it at all :) 21:34:43 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051066245.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:34:43 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 21:35:05 <Ammler> or "don't report bugs, if you changed newgrf settings" :-) 21:36:41 <glx> anyway if you want to use the fastest engine to pull anything, don't use any newgrf :) 21:37:55 <ecke> :) 21:38:14 <ecke> is there some editing guide? 21:38:55 <Ammler> do you like to edit ukrs? 21:42:12 <ecke> for test 21:42:14 <ecke> yes 21:42:27 <ecke> some copyrigts? 21:42:32 <ecke> licences? 21:47:40 <ecke> Ammler ^^ 21:53:10 <Zuu> for private use you can often do more or less what you want. But as I sad, only for private use. 21:53:42 <Zuu> But there should be an readme for ukrs I think. 22:00:23 <Darkvater> hi guys 22:01:25 <pavel1269> hello 22:01:33 <Zuu> Hi Darkvater 22:02:09 <Darkvater> get to work people! 22:02:13 * Darkvater cracks whip 22:04:03 <pavel1269> i just might go to bed to sleeo :-) 22:04:08 <pavel1269> *sleep 22:06:12 <Zuu> Yea, a but late to start working at 11 PM :) 22:06:25 <Darkvater> no time is too late for openttd 22:06:32 <Zuu> Except if you prefers the darkness :) 22:06:39 <Darkvater> with this kind of mentality I ought to kickban you all 22:06:42 <Darkvater> look at me! 22:06:51 <Darkvater> I'm still here motivating your behinds 22:06:52 <Darkvater> :) 22:07:48 <Zuu> I actually made an edit on the wiki, see how productive I've been.. :p 22:07:53 <Sacro> you get off my behind, pervert 22:07:56 <Darkvater> hmm 22:08:05 <Darkvater> ok, wiki; but it only ocunts as half 22:08:23 <Zuu> Let me say, it was a really small edit. :) 22:12:32 *** taisteluorava1 [~orava@a88-114-52-67.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 22:19:23 *** taisteluorava [~orava@a88-114-52-67.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:37:18 <pavel1269> does Property Maintenance in openttd cost only for stations? 22:37:53 <Aali> yes 22:38:08 <pavel1269> any ideas where does is calculate? 22:38:12 <pavel1269> i mean .cpp 22:38:33 <Aali> try economy 22:39:12 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:41:22 <pavel1269> have it, thanks 22:41:29 <Zuu> It is about 500 pounds per transport mode available, and then sum all stations. In 1950, from my testings in OpenTTD (whout looking in the source) 22:42:25 <pavel1269> i dont care about prices :-) 22:43:17 <pavel1269> i am creating daylength .... if you slow down time, you should pay more per month and so on 22:43:33 <pavel1269> this is last stuff which havent worked 22:47:05 *** goodger [~ben@host81-152-233-98.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: +++ Out Of Channel Error +++] 22:48:20 *** goodger [~ben@host81-152-233-98.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:50:45 <Sacro> stop stealing my daylength patch :P 23:06:50 *** goodger [~ben@host81-152-233-98.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:11:04 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:13:55 *** goodger [~ben@host81-152-233-98.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:14:00 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:25:42 <pavel1269> Sacro: i just stole idea :-) 23:25:55 <Sacro> :( 23:26:10 <pavel1269> have you finished you patch? 23:26:14 <Sacro> yup 23:26:41 <pavel1269> is that the one in chrissins thread? 23:26:55 <pavel1269> or even older? 23:27:22 <Sacro> older :p 23:35:48 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Pohodlné vykecávánÃ. Odkudkoliv.] 23:42:47 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 23:46:32 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:51:04 *** Turnskin [~x@vpn-pool-78-139-218-129.homenets.tomtelnet.ru] has joined #openttd 23:51:10 <Turnskin> Hi all 23:51:52 *** jpm_ [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 23:52:16 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:53:48 <Turnskin> Thanx to Brokkoli for ver. 0.7 advice! 23:54:37 <Turnskin> i use this version and have no problem. Very nice interface of additional settings (tree). 23:54:50 <Turnskin> But i have some questions now. 23:55:11 <Zuu> Just unload them and wee see what we can/want answer :) 23:55:38 <Turnskin> 1st, khow can i destroy semaphores w/o destroying the railway? 23:56:25 <Turnskin> In some versions of TTDP and OTTD i had this possibility (forget which). Somethg like CTRL+click. 23:57:21 <DaleStan> It's been possible since TTD. And it was never ctrl-click. 23:57:26 <Turnskin> 2nd, Khow can i tell these stupid trains DO NOT TURN at all? 23:58:10 <DaleStan> You do it approximately the same way you'd remove one piece of rail on a tile without removing all the rail on that tile. 23:58:24 <Turnskin> I'm not sure about combination, but it was like destroying of rails now - red line (or so) removing any semaphore in the distance. 23:58:25 <DaleStan> If you don't want the trains to turn, don't build junctions. 23:58:57 <Turnskin> DaleStan I meant turning before signals. 23:58:58 <Brokkoli> there is a config setting 23:59:26 <Brokkoli> wait_for_pbs_path = 30 23:59:30 <Brokkoli> change this value to 255 23:59:32 <DaleStan> Signals have (essentially) nothing to do with whether trains turn. 23:59:35 <DaleStan> If you don't want the trains to turn, don't build junctions. 23:59:48 <Turnskin> Yep, i'm well knowing as "Turn at end of station only" as "wait_to_oneway_signal" key. 23:59:55 <Brokkoli> wait_oneway_signal = 15 23:59:55 <Brokkoli> wait_twoway_signal = 41