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00:09:52 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.18.180.3] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- \o/] 00:11:58 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 00:38:38 <kkb110> will cargodest be integrated in regular version someday? 00:40:12 <Eddi|zuHause> the limit goes towards 1 00:40:43 <kkb110> ?? 00:42:46 <Eddi|zuHause> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limit_of_a_sequence 00:43:31 <kkb110> ok so probably. someday 00:46:41 <kkb110> but I think quite a lot people not like that much because it'll make the game hard and complex D: 00:48:26 <Eddi|zuHause> that's the funny thing, it will be completely optional 00:48:36 <Eddi|zuHause> besides, i think it makes things easier... 00:48:54 <kkb110> by restricting what user should do? 00:49:15 <Eddi|zuHause> no, by taking care of the routing by itself 00:49:30 <Eddi|zuHause> can reduce micromanagement 00:49:35 <kkb110> hm.... 01:03:31 <oskari89> Will it be on/off style that it will be compatible w/ earlier savegames/scens? 01:05:54 <kkb110> It'll be interesting but it seems I should delay my AI plan lol 01:06:25 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff7cc100-243.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 01:07:09 <kkb110> anyway, I'm going out 01:10:18 <Eddi|zuHause> those are the coolest people... ask a question and then give not even 5 minutes for people giving an answer 01:10:24 <Eddi|zuHause> especially at 3AM... 01:26:21 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@murrayjm8.umeres.maine.edu] has joined #openttd 02:13:49 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:1c56:f513:1892:6653] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:17:14 <Belugas> funny... we have the two opposites: people who want the game harder, and people who do not want the game to be harder 02:17:29 <Belugas> and in the middle, my heart is undecided 02:17:57 <Belugas> and in the night, my head is unresting 02:18:08 <Belugas> and in the end, my sleep is winning 02:18:53 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@murrayjm8.umeres.maine.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:19:15 <Eddi|zuHause> it gets really funny when you have more than two opposites ;) 02:25:06 <Eddi|zuHause> i still think we need a new system of handling difficulty settings 02:25:19 <Eddi|zuHause> one that is not just "stupid preset" or "custom" 02:26:36 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@murrayjm8.umeres.maine.edu] has joined #openttd 02:48:06 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@murrayjm8.umeres.maine.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:48:36 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@murrayjm8.umeres.maine.edu] has joined #openttd 03:00:41 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@murrayjm8.umeres.maine.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:05:52 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@murrayjm8.umeres.maine.edu] has joined #openttd 03:08:36 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:12:25 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:38:42 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:42:36 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:48:56 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 03:57:27 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@murrayjm8.umeres.maine.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:59:24 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: http://www.interplay.com/] 04:13:37 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 04:13:57 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 04:58:40 *** Gekz [~gekko@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:59:06 *** Gekz [~gekko@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:12:00 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 05:26:45 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 05:30:26 *** baldur [~balli@1385165287.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #openttd 05:37:05 *** Wolle [DrJekyll@p57B0BD74.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.lagerwiki.de - das Wiki rund um's Thema Lager und Logistik] 06:03:28 *** baldur [~balli@1385165287.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:36:17 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:43:53 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEed5f.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 06:56:31 <Alberth> the development forum is rather large today :) 07:02:26 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEed5f.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:02:46 <TrueBrain> we finally clicked the "Get Your Enlargement Now" button in one of the many emails we receive per day 07:06:52 <Forked> Alberth: it exploded last night 07:07:15 <Alberth> anyone got hurt? I hope not. 07:07:35 <Forked> the "wtf" part of my brain is numb.. 07:08:24 <Alberth> I stopped reading after the 3rd thread 07:08:37 <TrueBrain> like most of us I guess 07:09:01 <Forked> I never got that far :\ 07:10:29 <Alberth> it should be put at a wiki imho, and have some form of short/intermediate term plans (although they may exist in one of the threads I skipped) 07:10:30 <TrueBrain> well, hopefully for him there are enough people who did manage :p 07:11:07 <TrueBrain> Alberth: I agree with you; orudge only things we should let the topics stay and see what happens ... 07:11:14 <TrueBrain> things = thinks 07:11:17 <TrueBrain> damn, it is too early 07:11:27 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 07:12:07 <TrueBrain> such long texts always make my head spin :p 07:13:43 <Alberth> a forum is not the good way to show the plans. Forums are for discussions, not for lengthy explanations. Stuff gets lost, and you cannot link easily between topics. 07:14:06 <Alberth> ah well, let's see what happens :p 07:14:47 <Alberth> back to some more gui conversions 07:17:05 <TrueBrain> good lucc! 07:17:11 <TrueBrain> I can't write today .... 07:17:16 <planetmaker> g'morning 07:17:24 <TrueBrain> oh, him again :p 07:17:41 <Alberth> good mo'ning 07:19:10 <planetmaker> me again. Seems like most "old" faces still here after the weekend :) 07:19:32 <Forked> who are you calling old? 07:19:46 <TrueBrain> Forked: I believe he said: Forked is old 07:20:22 <Forked> it's true, but shut up! 07:20:36 <TrueBrain> old old old old old old old old old old old old old old old old old old old old 07:20:49 <Forked> pfft. 27 aint that bad 07:20:50 <Forked> :) 07:21:00 <TrueBrain> older than me,even better 07:21:01 <TrueBrain> old old old old old old old old old old old old old old old old old old old old 07:21:01 <Forked> also I act 15 most of the time, so.. so.. screw you! 07:21:14 <TrueBrain> SCREW YOU CARMEN! 07:23:43 <TrueBrain> one thing I HATE about listening to the radio .. you can't skip songs! 07:25:22 <Forked> one thing I hate about Spotify .. is Roberta 07:25:44 <TrueBrain> I also hate teachers who do not sign off on your grade .... 07:28:42 <planetmaker> <Forked> pfft. 27 aint that bad <--- jung hatchling, you :P 07:28:59 <planetmaker> *young 07:30:14 <TrueBrain> yeah ! planetmaker at least made planets ! 07:30:20 <planetmaker> :D 07:30:25 <TrueBrain> which makes him in the order of ... 10^6 years or so :p 07:30:33 <planetmaker> 10^9 07:30:45 <TrueBrain> nah, you could have made the planet, and traveled to us 07:30:49 <TrueBrain> from a distant galaxy 07:30:52 <planetmaker> right :) 07:31:05 <TrueBrain> so I see no problem in you doing it in 10^6 years ;) 07:31:12 <planetmaker> no other galaxy needed. Just a few 10 LY 07:31:40 <TrueBrain> well, I meant more that I am pretty sure there are no new planets created in our galaxy the last 10^6 years :p 07:31:41 <planetmaker> :) 07:31:56 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, you're so wrong as one could be :) 07:32:09 <TrueBrain> how nice of you on this early morning :p 07:32:16 <planetmaker> I dare say they're even created today :) 07:32:22 <TrueBrain> but okay .. I am starting to doubt if galaxy is the correct translation :p 07:32:39 <planetmaker> you mean Milkey Way? Or solar system? 07:32:43 <planetmaker> huge difference :) 07:32:53 <TrueBrain> neither .. I was meaning the direct surrounding of the solar system 07:33:13 <planetmaker> well... I dare say, even that might be wrong then :) 07:33:20 <TrueBrain> 'might be' ;) Ghehe ;) 07:33:23 <TrueBrain> you dare to say that? 07:33:25 <TrueBrain> :p 07:33:33 <planetmaker> Even some near-by stars show signs of at least remanents of planet formation :) 07:33:56 <planetmaker> or indicators which hint that it might be going on :) 07:33:58 <TrueBrain> planet formation within .. say .. 1kpc? 07:34:49 <planetmaker> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fomalhaut <-- 25 LY 07:34:59 <planetmaker> with direct imaging of planet formation going on. 07:35:24 <Forked> I feel exluded .. you're linking to nohablalanguage.wikipedia.org :\ 07:35:31 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, 450 LY away is the biggest star and thus planet forming region within this galaxy: the orion nebula 07:35:51 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: you are absolutely right :) 07:35:52 <planetmaker> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fomalhaut ^ 07:36:02 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:36:02 <planetmaker> ^ Forked 07:36:05 <Forked> :) 07:36:07 <TrueBrain> it has an other image!!! 07:36:27 <planetmaker> yeah... there were three published in science. One took the other :) 07:37:31 <TrueBrain> I hate it when teachers are wrong :( 07:37:41 <planetmaker> hehe :) 07:37:51 <planetmaker> Luckily I'm right then :) 07:37:53 <TrueBrain> well .. maybe I was asleep :p 07:38:22 <planetmaker> :) could happen in boring classes... 07:38:35 <TrueBrain> especially when talking about creating of NNN 07:38:48 <TrueBrain> where NNN can hold: stars, planets, star-systems, and the like 07:39:01 <TrueBrain> I don't care most of the talk ... but then they start talking about what is required and shit 07:39:34 <TrueBrain> I don't care how hot it needs to be ... I don't care what material should be available .... and I don't care at all what the exact formula is for any of those 07:40:07 <Forked> grrr. I hate having to reboot because applications were updated. Office 2007 .. same thing goes for Adobe Reader. It just makes me belive they are way too integrated into the OS. 07:40:17 <TrueBrain> Forked: ditch Windows 07:40:37 <planetmaker> Forked, a believe which actually might reflect reality :P 07:40:38 <TrueBrain> and the problem is not the integrating per se, it is more like how Windows works with DLLs (short: crappy) 07:40:39 <Forked> I can't (at work) 07:40:51 <Forked> due to a billion web apps that depend on internet explorer 07:41:00 <planetmaker> meh... :( 07:41:11 <planetmaker> I learnt to hate that when I once needed a decent CAD app. 07:41:20 <Noldo> Forked: ie6? 07:41:29 <TrueBrain> Forked: use IESLINUX :p 07:41:37 <planetmaker> the for my places best viewer depended on IE only... :S 07:41:53 <TrueBrain> I haven't used IE in ages ... 07:41:55 <Forked> Noldo: 7 works, but in one system (made by Siebel..) IE 7 will officially be supported sometime this year ... thats the respons I got when I asked when they will support IE8 07:42:25 <Forked> so no win7 for us :\ 07:42:36 <TrueBrain> wasn;t win7 released public today? 07:42:43 <TrueBrain> the beta, that is :p 07:42:55 <Forked> the release candidate comes tomorrow for us regulars (non msdn / technet subscribers) 07:43:05 <Forked> we already ahve the beta.. it's called vista :) 07:43:08 <TrueBrain> why did I remember monday? :p 07:43:14 <TrueBrain> no, that is called crappy 07:43:21 <Forked> alpha, sorry 07:43:37 <TrueBrain> Vista exceeds ME in crappyness 07:43:43 <Forked> actually I have no issues with vista in use, but :p it took a bit of tuning to be usable.. alot of fancy shiny stuff to disable 07:44:31 <TrueBrain> Windows 7 signup question: What's the primary client operating system that you use today? All options are WINDOWS systems, or simply: 'Other' 07:44:33 <TrueBrain> hehehehe 07:45:32 <TrueBrain> "We're sorry, but downloads are no longer available." <- no longer?! :p 07:45:57 <TrueBrain> "The Beta will expire on August 1, 2009. Starting on July 1, 2009, your PC will begin shutting down every two hours. " <- how user-friendly! :p 07:46:49 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, it's said they make RC1 available tomorrow. 07:47:07 <Forked> it's a beta.. it's not really ment to be used for five years by regular users is it? ;p 07:47:14 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: so?! 07:47:20 <TrueBrain> Forked: I meant their way of shutting it down :p 07:47:22 <TrueBrain> every 2 hours 07:47:24 <TrueBrain> that has to be a nag :p 07:48:55 *** Laurens [~Laurens@ip255-198-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 07:49:40 *** Laurens [~Laurens@ip255-198-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [] 07:49:56 <TrueBrain> today, the view out of my window improved .... they build a ... 'steiger' next to my window 07:50:09 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejl63.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 07:50:23 <TrueBrain> steiger pier, landing-stage 07:50:24 <TrueBrain> ..... 07:50:37 <TrueBrain> not a pier ... silly dictonary 07:55:21 <Forked> TrueBrain: you have to wonder how many bug reports they will get on that.. 07:55:39 <TrueBrain> lol :) Windows users ..... useless :p 07:55:39 <dihedral> morning ladies 07:55:48 * TrueBrain hugs dihedral 07:55:56 <dihedral> :-) 07:55:58 <TrueBrain> (my other way of welcoming you was less nice, so I went with thisone :p) 07:56:41 <dihedral> let me guess.... a kick? :-P 07:56:51 <TrueBrain> nah :) I am not that mean! 07:56:57 <TrueBrain> I was more considering: hmm, that was that smell 07:57:02 <TrueBrain> but .. I went for the hug :) 07:57:27 <TrueBrain> and yes, I am bored, as I have people walking by my window!! (my room is 5 meter from the ground) 07:57:46 <TrueBrain> bored ... annoyed .... made awake abruptly 07:59:04 <dihedral> lol 07:59:04 <dihedral> :-P 07:59:04 <dihedral> turn up the volume :-P 07:59:04 <dihedral> and play some old arcade game :-P 07:59:04 <dihedral> uh - play duke nukem 3d :-D 07:59:20 <TrueBrain> hmm .. /me wonders if duke nukem 3d is 16bit or 32bit .. 07:59:36 <TrueBrain> but I believe it is in protected mode .. so .. hmm .. 08:03:17 <dihedral> SirXavius... gnah 08:03:18 <dihedral> wtf 08:03:26 <planetmaker> morning dihedral :) 08:03:32 <TrueBrain> you are suprised you talked dihedral? :p 08:03:39 <planetmaker> dihedral, don't mind him. Just add him to your foe list and enjoy the silence. 08:04:05 <planetmaker> works nicely for me. I just experienced yesterday how good my decision was, months back, to start my foe list with his name. 08:04:34 <TrueBrain> lol 08:05:23 <planetmaker> honestly. Despite that I read one or two of his babble. Looks very much like another "I'm the head and you all please do my bidding". 08:05:36 <planetmaker> Seen that before, I guess. But that person is meanwhile on my foe list, too ;) 08:05:46 <TrueBrain> BUT HE IS SO AWESOME! 08:06:21 <dihedral> morning planetmaker ^^ 08:06:52 <dihedral> i still see the annoyance of 500 threads in the development forum 08:07:03 <TrueBrain> I was only annoyed by the number 500 08:07:04 <dihedral> what next - he'll add the same number of threads in every other forum tooo 08:07:05 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, rather "BUT HE IS SO "AWESOME"! ;) 08:07:13 <TrueBrain> the only thing I thought: Server Error? 08:07:17 <dihedral> TrueBrain: what about "OTTD+500 A modified gameplay for open Transport Tycoon Deluxe, 500 years after the original." 08:07:30 <dihedral> i dont know the game he's talking about ^^ 08:07:40 <planetmaker> :D 08:07:51 <TrueBrain> but give this boy a chance 08:07:57 <TrueBrain> maybe he makes something totally awesome 08:07:59 <planetmaker> But who the heck repelled Rubidium from this channel? :( 08:08:01 <TrueBrain> and maybe he doesn't ;) 08:08:09 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: petern did :p 08:08:18 <TrueBrain> he said idiots had to leave 08:08:24 <dihedral> what as he done? appart of writing 50 pages worth of nothing 08:08:26 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, given his history... vapourware is all one can expect from his foul mouth 08:08:30 <dihedral> not a single line of code in there 08:09:00 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, :O 08:09:09 <dihedral> (not talking of ruby there) 08:09:16 <dihedral> @seen Rubidium 08:09:16 <DorpsGek> dihedral: Rubidium was last seen in #openttd 6 days, 12 hours, 24 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <Rubidium> pavel1269: by pasting it here? 08:09:24 <planetmaker> hehe :) @ dih 08:09:50 <planetmaker> the changelog clearly would contradict that - as opposed to SX's pointless babble w/o substance 08:10:05 <planetmaker> One shouldn't even mention those two names within one sentence ;) 08:10:09 <dihedral> seriously - if someone is gonna write 10000 lines in the development forum i'd expect at least 9000 of those lines to be code 08:10:26 <TrueBrain> dihedral: why would development always have to be code related? 08:10:35 <planetmaker> well. Not necessarily. But at least conceptual things. Not just vapour and "ideas". 08:10:41 <TrueBrain> development is also ideas and shit 08:10:48 <dihedral> because there are 4 other forums dedicated to non-code threads 08:10:54 <TrueBrain> give that boy a try .. 08:11:00 <TrueBrain> we can all hit him to the ground when he enters 08:11:06 <TrueBrain> or just leave him to do what ever he things he is doing 08:11:15 <dihedral> sure - he can join #openttd.notadev chennel 08:11:16 <TrueBrain> maybe something good comes out of it 08:11:19 <TrueBrain> maybe not 08:11:28 <planetmaker> well, yeah :) 08:11:41 <TrueBrain> don't burn people at enteirng ... that is my job :p 08:11:48 <dihedral> we can bet :-P 08:11:54 <planetmaker> The idea to have a science-fiction setting - that's a decent one. 08:11:57 <dihedral> no fair :-( 08:12:07 <dihedral> well no - you can burn them when they enter the channel, i can burn them in the forums :-D 08:12:15 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, yes, you do fabolously at it. But you don't need to let down your young apprentice so much :D 08:12:28 * planetmaker hides 08:12:29 <dihedral> planetmaker: it's an IDEA... ideas go to the suggestion forum 08:12:34 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: I was reading back irc logs from a few years back 08:12:41 <TrueBrain> I am not kidding if I tell you users really got more stupid 08:12:48 <planetmaker> hm? 08:12:52 <dihedral> TrueBrain: we all know :-D 08:12:54 <TrueBrain> in the old days people entered, and had a normal way of aksing things 08:12:56 <TrueBrain> they were ... social 08:13:02 <TrueBrain> as far as one can expect that in an IRC channel 08:13:04 <dihedral> i remember times when chat in here was decent 08:13:16 <TrueBrain> but nowedays ... we have this one user which only complains it is too quiet in here, but never says anything real or what ever 08:13:24 <planetmaker> I guess the point is: nowadays every person owns a computer and thus the average internet user's IQ dropped - going down to the average of the overall population 08:13:30 <TrueBrain> (I won't use your name Booth, I am not like that) 08:13:40 <dihedral> LOL 08:13:45 <dihedral> he still sticks around openttdcoop :-P 08:13:57 <dihedral> openttdcoop level dropped vastely too 08:14:13 <TrueBrain> and when you read the forums, I see the same 'thing' happening .. questions are getting more and more dumb 08:14:23 <TrueBrain> 3 years ago I read once in the week a question which got the reply: USE THE SEARCH 08:14:39 <planetmaker> well. User base grew. 08:14:43 <dihedral> quote from SX: "The alpha version will contain a complete rewrite of OTTD's .grf files" <- HAHAHAHA 08:14:54 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: might be true .. it just happens more often because there are more people .. 08:14:56 <dihedral> the alpha version will never be released :-D 08:15:08 <TrueBrain> dihedral: openttdw.grf should be doable 08:15:17 <planetmaker> but the bad cases are what keep sticking in memory ... :S 08:15:38 <TrueBrain> I notice more and more 'core' people getting faster and faster annoyed by users :p 08:15:46 <TrueBrain> (including myself, for that matter :p) 08:15:46 <dihedral> can we make a sensible channel? 08:15:48 <planetmaker> IMO he should start off with the Mars grf and make that proper. 08:15:52 <dihedral> #openttd@senses 08:16:01 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, yes. Me, too. 08:16:03 <dihedral> brickland :-P 08:16:21 <TrueBrain> it annoys me in fact, that I am getting annoyed that fast by stupidity :p 08:16:28 *** Administrator [~chatzilla@dsl-hkibrasgw1-ff81c000-247.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:16:32 <planetmaker> though I'm not sue whether I'm "core" people or not ;) 08:16:38 <TrueBrain> you are :p 08:16:41 <dihedral> LOL 08:16:44 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, me, too. Did I say that already? ;) 08:16:46 <TrueBrain> you said more than 2 lines in here :) 08:16:51 <planetmaker> haha :) 08:16:59 <TrueBrain> which is a nice guideline, I guess :p 08:17:04 <dihedral> who on earth is that 'Administrator' :-D 08:17:13 <TrueBrain> it hacked my computer!! :o 08:17:48 <planetmaker> it's a finish administrator by host mask... :P 08:17:54 <dihedral> core people includes anybody who has a channel history of over a year :-D 08:18:00 <dihedral> including the idle guru3 08:18:13 <planetmaker> dihedral, uhm...? sure? 08:18:29 <TrueBrain> guru3 is nice! 08:18:31 <planetmaker> even Yorki? your both beloved friend would fall into that category... 08:18:32 <dihedral> talking of core people, where is that chat image someone kept upgrading? 08:18:34 <dihedral> updating 08:18:34 <TrueBrain> @seen guru3 08:18:34 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: guru3 was last seen in #openttd 3 days, 0 hours, 40 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <guru3> see you all later! 08:18:39 <dihedral> guru3 is funny 08:18:58 <dihedral> planetmaker: no not yorkiporki 08:18:59 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: he is a 'core' user I guess yes ... just one annoying one :p 08:19:06 <TrueBrain> (you need them too :p) 08:19:06 <planetmaker> :) 08:19:17 <TrueBrain> a few idiots is good for the mood :) 08:19:20 <TrueBrain> and for the kick-count ... 08:19:29 <planetmaker> He's a typical young hacky-kid IMO :) 08:19:29 <dihedral> planetmaker: he's the 'core' of the ban list :-D 08:19:33 <planetmaker> lol 08:19:35 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: I agree :) 08:19:47 <dihedral> must be like 14 or 15 by now 08:19:54 <planetmaker> about that, yes. 08:21:16 * guru3 waves 08:21:20 <guru3> good morning everyone 08:21:21 <planetmaker> he'll grow. And either loose interest or become a valuable member of this channel :) 08:21:25 <dihedral> YAY 08:21:26 <planetmaker> hello guru3 :) 08:21:40 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: I think the first :) 08:21:48 <dihedral> planetmaker: he's growing alright 08:21:53 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, not sure :) 08:21:56 <dihedral> towards the dark side of the force 08:22:01 <TrueBrain> he annoyed so many people in such a short time-span ... 08:22:25 <dihedral> TrueBrain: have you heard of Mega? or OHG? 08:22:37 <guru3> we had a person that did that in armagetron land 08:22:43 <dihedral> in fact he was working on embedding python in openttd for OHG 08:22:44 <dihedral> :-D 08:22:45 <guru3> he lost interest 08:22:47 <guru3> thank god 08:23:04 <dihedral> LUADuck is someone who's quite like yorick, only he does not code :-P 08:23:17 *** Administrator [~chatzilla@dsl-hkibrasgw1-ff81c000-247.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]] 08:24:01 <planetmaker> urg. 08:24:12 <planetmaker> one of the few persons whom I put a ban on. 08:24:38 <TrueBrain> my ignore list only ever contained ln- 08:24:42 <dihedral> eh... could not say that myself :-P 08:24:49 <TrueBrain> also a 'core' user, but annoyed the heck out of me 08:24:50 <dihedral> TrueBrain: LIES 08:25:04 <dihedral> was there not a swiss guy in there too at one point :-P 08:25:18 <TrueBrain> I rarely put people really in my ignore list .. I have a mental ignore too :p 08:25:54 <planetmaker> IRC ignores are not my thing. Just forum ;) 08:28:11 <dihedral> i wish the bouncer had an ignore module so i could have ignores set on all clients i use to connect to the bouncer 08:28:24 <guru3> there's an interesting idea 08:29:33 <dihedral> znc.sf.net <- guru3 08:29:48 <dihedral> hehe - it supports tcl :-D 08:30:38 <guru3> http://www.gnu.org/software/screen/ 08:31:21 <dihedral> just with the small diff, that i have more people running on that bouncer ;-) 08:31:27 <dihedral> not just myself 08:31:56 <guru3> well... all my friends are geeky enough to use screen on their own servers :( 08:32:17 <guru3> or are below the geeky threshold so that they're only on irc some of the time 08:33:43 * dihedral points at planetmaker ... with a smile 08:34:33 <guru3> argh what to do today 08:34:38 <guru3> it's a bank holiday here 08:34:51 <guru3> and there's lots of work i should do... i just don't want to 08:35:37 <dihedral> we all know the feeling ^^ 08:37:01 <Forked> do you have a dart? 08:37:08 <Forked> you could print out a list.. then throw a dart at it to pick 08:37:26 <guru3> no darts 08:37:33 <Forked> or a piece of gum.. 08:38:52 <guru3> no gum either actually 08:39:12 <planetmaker> if you change the setup by 90° anything which can drop will do. 08:39:27 <guru3> now there's a good idea 08:39:28 <planetmaker> Just drop it over the single task descriptions with eyes closed 08:39:34 <guru3> but what if it bounces? 08:39:40 <guru3> say, i drop a bouncy ball... 08:39:42 <planetmaker> use something non-bouncing. 08:39:45 <Forked> well find something else.. 08:39:51 *** Gekz [~gekko@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:39:54 <planetmaker> like a brick out of the wall :D 08:39:54 <Forked> a coin 08:40:00 <Forked> or a chair 08:40:04 <TrueBrain> I like how planetmaker thinks :p 08:40:07 <planetmaker> your wallet. 08:40:16 <planetmaker> hehe :) 08:40:16 <dihedral> just use higher gravity :-P 08:40:24 <Forked> or print it all out.. cut each task away from the others and crumble then up..t hen pick one 08:40:36 <dihedral> freez the bouncing object first :-D 08:40:36 <planetmaker> task lottery! :D 08:40:55 <Forked> or of course you could make a gigantic system in openttd where a train picks for you based on randomness 08:41:05 *** Gekz [~gekko@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:41:13 <planetmaker> unfortunately that's deterministic... 08:41:14 <Noldo> give them numbers and code RNG to pick a task with 08:42:12 <planetmaker> shuffle them, make a line, take a die, and roll consecutively for each, starting with the first. The first with a "6" wins. 08:42:24 <dihedral> nono - you could make a new industry: 'friends' :-P 08:42:35 <planetmaker> :) 08:42:44 <dihedral> you can turn them into goods too :-D 08:44:36 <guru3> cash in your friends for materialistic gain? 08:45:16 <dihedral> "Stations, lets discuss how to make them more awesome." <- dont you just love those topics? 08:46:09 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEed5f.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 08:48:47 <TrueBrain> fonsinchen: what I try to say is that the GUI was very unclear, and really needs work :) "unknown station" is a direct bug-report for 90% of our users :p 08:48:56 <Noldo> hurrah for more complexity 08:50:30 <dihedral> talking of bug report :-P 08:52:04 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:53:05 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:57:44 <fonsinchen> TrueBrain: I know the GUI isn't perfect yet. You may have noticed that it's still in "yellow" state. This means it's functional but does require some more polish. The "unknown station" will probably be replaced by something like "unrouted". Also it's not necessary to create seperate entries for "via" and "to" if they refer to the same station and finally the sorting criteria should be a toggle button and the waiting/planned/sent mode a dropdown lis 08:58:06 <TrueBrain> sounds like a plan ;) 09:04:10 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:05:29 <dihedral> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2880 09:05:32 <dihedral> \o/ 09:06:30 <TrueBrain> after a whole week he finally manages to make a bug-report out of it :p 09:06:32 <TrueBrain> ghehe 09:06:38 <planetmaker> :P 09:06:50 <planetmaker> but right he is. 09:07:10 <dihedral> week? 09:07:13 <TrueBrain> month 09:07:16 <dihedral> that's close to a month :-D 09:07:21 <TrueBrain> I was trying to be nice 09:07:25 <TrueBrain> but no .. I am not allowed to be nice :) 09:07:51 <planetmaker> http://www.eviloverlord.com/lists/overlord.html <-- read again, TrueBrain 09:08:02 <planetmaker> :D 09:08:59 <TrueBrain> again? :) 09:10:11 <TrueBrain> "I will not include a self-destruct mechanism unless absolutely necessary. If it is necessary, it will not be a large red button labelled "Danger: Do Not Push". The big red button marked "Do Not Push" will instead trigger a spray of bullets on anyone stupid enough to disregard it. Similarly, the ON/OFF switch will not clearly be labelled as such." 09:10:12 <TrueBrain> HAHAHAHA :) 09:10:15 <TrueBrain> SPACE BALLS! 09:10:43 <guru3> is the schwartz with you? 09:11:16 <TrueBrain> "I will not design my Main Control Room so that every workstation is facing away from the door." <- haha :) 09:24:56 <planetmaker> he, yeah. I like those rules. 09:25:02 <planetmaker> So obvious acutally... 09:31:53 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fefd5.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 09:38:56 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, you're so right about getting more and more easily annoyed :( 09:39:04 <TrueBrain> url? :P 09:39:11 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=41725 09:39:17 * planetmaker goes to lunch now... 09:39:27 <planetmaker> (I was referring to myself :P ) 09:39:33 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 09:40:30 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 09:40:49 <TrueBrain> I already closed a topic of this guy, as he started to create new ones to 'highlight' his question 09:41:11 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: 'virgin' checkout :) LOL! I love that term :) 'vanilla' is btw more common ;) 09:41:35 <blathijs> "make virgin" ? :-p 09:41:48 <TrueBrain> somehow that always awakes blathijs :p 09:41:53 <TrueBrain> do you have such words on highlight? :p 09:42:16 <blathijs> hehe 09:42:35 <SmatZ> :-D 09:43:30 <TrueBrain> "I can find the patch for IS that works with some version of cargodest, but I can not find the cargodest version, because it is too old." <- unable to parse ... :p 09:43:57 <blathijs> TrueBrain: It's more of a semantic problem than a syntax problem, really 09:44:06 <blathijs> The sentence parses fine here :-p 09:44:13 <TrueBrain> fair enough :) 09:44:21 <TrueBrain> textual analyzes failed :) 09:49:31 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: I made a nice reply too :) I just had to ..... 09:50:19 <jonty-comp> are there console commands for interacting with bananas? 09:50:25 <TrueBrain> there are 09:50:32 <jonty-comp> most excellent 09:50:46 * jonty-comp shall download all the grfs into his server newgrf folder 09:51:50 <jonty-comp> aha, there they are 09:52:06 * TrueBrain is happy to see at least one user knows how to search for things :) 09:52:08 * TrueBrain hugs jonty-comp 09:53:02 <jonty-comp> pfft 09:53:10 <jonty-comp> I looked ages ago, but I couldn't find anything 09:53:12 <jonty-comp> but now I can! 09:53:16 <TrueBrain> Hehehe :) 09:53:26 <TrueBrain> what was it? 'content' or something? 09:54:12 <jonty-comp> console 09:54:19 <jonty-comp> after looking at content and bananas 09:54:30 <jonty-comp> most unrelated search terms ever, usually 09:54:31 <jonty-comp> :p 09:54:55 <jonty-comp> I was trying to explain bananas to someone at school the other day 09:55:04 <jonty-comp> but they couldn't shake the fruit references 09:55:21 <TrueBrain> you say the console command is 'console'?! 09:55:26 <jonty-comp> oh, 09:55:34 <jonty-comp> I thought you meant what did I search for 09:55:35 <TrueBrain> hehe :) It is one silly name ;) 09:55:37 <jonty-comp> it's content yes 09:55:40 <TrueBrain> ah ;) 09:55:49 <jonty-comp> content update; content select all; content download etc 09:55:53 <TrueBrain> ;) 09:56:00 <jonty-comp> bit obvious really D: 09:56:04 <TrueBrain> it is just very funny we could make BaNaNaS out of it :) 09:56:27 * jonty-comp symlinks content_download on his server so all the openttd versions can use it 09:56:38 <TrueBrain> or use ~/.openttd ..... 09:56:48 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 09:57:22 <jonty-comp> this is true 09:57:37 <jonty-comp> I like doing things the hard way :p 09:59:11 <TrueBrain> fine; be like that 09:59:12 <TrueBrain> :p 10:00:06 <SmatZ> :-) 10:06:06 * jonty-comp now has to work out how easy it is to add the tar files into openttd.cfg 10:06:19 <TrueBrain> tars are automaticly loaded 10:06:27 <TrueBrain> you only need to specify newgrfs I guess 10:07:00 <jonty-comp> well, looking at my local copy on windows it seems I have to put the name of the grf that's inside the tar 10:07:30 <TrueBrain> yup; and if it was any good uploader to BaNaNaS, it is equal to the name of the tar 10:07:31 <jonty-comp> I shall probably do it the way I do most things and set up a copy using the gui on my desktop and then upload it 10:07:33 <TrueBrain> but .. you can't be 100% sure ;) 10:07:38 <jonty-comp> quite 10:08:03 <TrueBrain> quite ... quiet ... so closely related :p 10:08:04 <TrueBrain> ghehe 10:08:10 <jonty-comp> quite 10:08:41 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-48-35.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:25:33 *** otih [~otih@wir.machen.datensalat.eu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:26:40 *** otih [~otih@wir.machen.datensalat.eu] has joined #openttd 10:29:11 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 10:40:53 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: It's all over.] 10:41:03 *** Necrogenesis [~necrogene@124.184.248.243] has joined #openttd 10:41:41 <Necrogenesis> Hi there 10:43:08 <TrueBrain> hello 10:43:14 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm215.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 10:44:09 <planetmaker> hi 10:44:35 <planetmaker> surprisingly, surprisingly, canteen lunch wasn't as bad as I expected :) 10:48:16 *** Necrogenesis [~necrogene@124.184.248.243] has left #openttd [] 10:51:26 <dihedral> tada 10:51:31 *** Skiddles [~notme@cm215.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 10:52:29 <dihedral> Post subject: AutoTTD - OpenTTD Updater - 0.1.1.11 <- gotta love that version number :-P 10:56:10 <kkb110> autottd? 10:56:50 <kkb110> ah updater 10:58:36 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm215.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:12:30 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-147.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:12:55 <TrueBrain> Alberth: nice post :) 11:16:33 <planetmaker> indeed :) 11:16:55 <planetmaker> maybe it should be saved as template and just be copy&pasted in similar threads ;) 11:17:22 <Alberth> put at wiki, post a link every time :) 11:17:33 <TrueBrain> people will fail to follow :p 11:17:41 <planetmaker> :-) 11:19:21 <Alberth> we need to ask Owen to extend the forum with keyword replacements for keywords like TRY_SEARCHING_THE_FORUMS etc ;) 11:19:38 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.16.223.196] has joined #openttd 11:20:08 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@c-68-82-181-52.hsd1.de.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:23:45 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: frosch * r16223 /trunk/src/ (newgrf.cpp newgrf_config.h newgrf_gui.cpp): 11:23:45 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Fix (r8881): ActionB should use the online parameters from GRFFile instead of 11:23:45 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: the initial user-specified values from GRFConfig. Also use the values as they 11:23:45 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: were set when the ActionB was executed, not as they are set when the message is 11:23:45 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: shown. 11:34:26 *** mikl [~mikl@94.191.248.25.bredband.3.dk] has joined #openttd 11:35:05 <Alberth> he, we have a waypoint picker window 11:35:55 <SmatZ> for very long time ;) 11:36:03 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:36:03 <SmatZ> if you have grfs loaded 11:39:04 <Alberth> I found ukwaypoints.grf to enable the window 11:44:07 <frosch123> hehe, it is always fun to find something in the code and then search where to find it in the game :) 11:44:53 <Alberth> and then find out it is never used ;) 11:46:11 <planetmaker> and afterwards find out it's nearly never used except if you combine three very unlikely things on top or a rare newgrf :D 11:46:51 <TrueBrain> frosch123: I still have things I never found in the game :p 11:47:26 <frosch123> planetmaker, TrueBrain: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2769 11:48:03 <frosch123> so Alberth will have trouble converting that window :p 11:49:17 <planetmaker> hehe :) 11:49:34 <Alberth> already done, just stick a ShowBuyCompanyWindow() call in another ShowXXX function :p 11:49:35 <planetmaker> frosch123, I think Yexo's proposal is fine. 11:50:00 *** Xilion [~bill_mc_g@ip5650b4ec.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 11:50:03 <frosch123> planetmaker: then supply a patch :p 11:50:09 <Xilion> *rolls in* 11:50:12 <Xilion> hai all ^_^ 11:50:18 <planetmaker> though a random order / choice with a say, 3 month acceptance window would do, too :) 11:50:22 <planetmaker> hehe... :) 11:51:34 <Xilion> After so many years of TT, I'm glad to have found OpenTTD online... god it's been so long since I last played this game <3 11:52:42 <Alberth> welcome 11:52:46 <planetmaker> hi Xilion 11:52:54 <Xilion> hai :) 11:53:19 <Xilion> it's cool to see you guys adding new content to the game too :) 11:56:30 <Xilion> Also just made a post on the suggestions forum... might be a fun addition xD 11:57:22 <frosch123> it is always a bad idea to start a topic on the first day you join a forum :) 11:57:33 <planetmaker> :P 11:57:41 <Xilion> I know but I just couldn't help myself 11:57:46 <Xilion> >_> 11:57:59 <planetmaker> brace yourself for... possibly some strong headwind :) 11:58:11 <frosch123> so, enjoy getting flamed :) 11:58:32 <Xilion> hehe oh that's fine with me... you see... having a good idea doesn't mean i WANT it implemented. I'm just curious if people like the idea 11:58:52 <planetmaker> what's your tt-forums name? 11:58:58 <Xilion> and if people do... then we might think about the possibility of implementation :) 11:59:03 <Xilion> Xilion aswell :) 11:59:29 <Xilion> I should consider renaming myself to Xilion in real life too... I seem to use it way more than my real name >__> 11:59:31 <planetmaker> Xilion, the point is: not "we". But _someone_ has to do that (thinking of an implementation). Usually it's one person who does that. 11:59:56 <planetmaker> and usually "someone" is either the person making a suggestion or none. 12:00:28 <Xilion> well I'm willing to lend any support towards any form of implementation if the general public of this game likes the idea. 12:00:30 <planetmaker> main reason: everyone does what s/he likes. And that is implementing their own ideas :) 12:01:53 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 12:02:00 <planetmaker> he... and there's one other answer which you'll get: it was suggested like several times before :) 12:02:05 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:b8ad:32d9:87c2:7f6c] has joined #openttd 12:02:08 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:02:30 <Xilion> Well I understand that planet, thing is though that I think this idea might be fun for the multiplayer part of openTTD too... I just wanna see if I'm correct. 12:02:45 <Xilion> If I'm the only one supporting my suggestion there's not much of a point to start coding it O_o 12:03:07 <planetmaker> I'm not sure of previous outcomes of the discussion. The forum has some threads on stock market ideas :) 12:03:33 <planetmaker> there are definitely people who like it, and others who don't see it fit. 12:03:36 <Xilion> really? I thought I didn't see any... lemme re-search xD 12:04:20 <Xilion> youre right O_o 12:04:35 <Xilion> might've misspelled my previous search... I got like 50 hits this time 12:04:40 <planetmaker> he :) 12:04:47 <planetmaker> Be quick and add it to your posting :) 12:04:57 <TrueBrain> we switch the search on and off depending on what people do and say 12:05:02 <TrueBrain> very nice way to screw around with people 12:05:03 <TrueBrain> :p 12:05:09 <planetmaker> you meany :) 12:05:33 <planetmaker> but well. We had that topic today already :D :P 12:05:39 <TrueBrain> ;) 12:05:51 * planetmaker hugs TrueBrain 12:06:23 <Xilion> *edits post* 12:06:24 <Xilion> >_> 12:06:32 <planetmaker> :) 12:07:45 <planetmaker> I don't see any reference to a search you did :) 12:09:04 <Xilion> im still editting! O_o 12:09:42 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16224 /trunk/src/rail_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Move BuildRailStationWidgets and BuildRailWaypointWidgets enums out of their Window structs, extend horizontal scrollbar by 1 pixel. 12:10:56 <planetmaker> Xilion, oh, right :) I read "edited" instead of "edits" ;) 12:11:22 <planetmaker> Alberth, yay for the 1 pixel :) 12:12:41 <Xilion> heh, editted it right now :P 12:15:37 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 12:18:18 <Xilion> a'ight, time for some lunch and walking the dog. Ttyl all :) 12:19:22 * Xilion stops his plotting of evil world domination and strolls out 12:22:13 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16225 /trunk/src/rail_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Added nested widgets to all rail_gui windows (except the build depot window). 12:22:39 <Alberth> planetmaker: yeah, and nobody reported that problem :p 12:27:07 <planetmaker> :) 12:27:23 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:38:56 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:39:22 <dihedral> pfft 12:39:50 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fefd5.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:40:24 * dihedral read the word 'flamed' and considers looking up the thread in the forums :-D 12:41:16 <dihedral> oh that thing 12:41:26 <dihedral> that's not even worth replying to any more :-P 12:42:46 <dihedral> Xilion, stockmarket would be great!! 12:42:59 <dihedral> make it a secondary industry and it accepts paper and goods! 12:43:05 <dihedral> done 12:43:10 <jonty-comp> gah 12:43:16 <jonty-comp> where should the content_download folder be 12:43:17 <jonty-comp> ? 12:43:19 <Alberth> and make it generate money 12:43:34 <dihedral> oh yes, and money goes to the towns 12:43:35 <jonty-comp> I added the grfs to my openttd.cfg for my dedicated 12:43:47 <dihedral> jonty-comp, next to the data folder 12:43:50 <jonty-comp> but when I start it it says it can't find any of them and removes them all 12:44:05 <jonty-comp> I thought it was because the names in openttd.cfg were lowercase to start with 12:44:08 <jonty-comp> but that's not it 12:44:17 <jonty-comp> (I copied them over from windows to linux) 12:44:28 <dihedral> next to the data folder.... 12:44:33 <planetmaker> jonty-comp, hm... usually it will just download them and then they're available... 12:44:37 <Alberth> just put the grfs in the data folder 12:44:45 <planetmaker> data/content_download 12:45:03 <jonty-comp> oh 12:45:21 <dihedral> i have content_download/data ^^ 12:45:39 <planetmaker> sorry. Yes 12:45:47 <planetmaker> .openttd/content_download 12:45:50 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-59-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 12:46:08 <planetmaker> though it will find grfs also in .openttd/data/content_download :) 12:46:11 <Alberth> run openttd with '-d misc=2' then you get a dump of files it can find. 12:46:51 <Alberth> euh, without the single quotes 12:46:53 <jonty-comp> how useful 12:47:09 <dihedral> planetmaker, it finds any grfs located in data/* 12:47:16 <dihedral> that is how your grfpack words, remember? ^^ 12:50:55 <jonty-comp> ah 12:50:56 <jonty-comp> dbg: [misc] Found tar '/home/openttd/patches/openttd-is2-h08d2033e/bin/content_download/data/Tropic_Refurbishment_Set.0.3c.tar' with 0 new files 12:51:00 <jonty-comp> 0 new files D: 12:51:10 <jonty-comp> lots of lines like that 12:51:38 <jonty-comp> it all flashes past rather too quickly, and using > to pipe it to a log seems to fail horrendously 12:51:39 <dihedral> i did say next to the data folder 12:51:55 <dihedral> jonty-comp, log goes to stderr 12:52:09 <dihedral> my oh my 12:52:10 <jonty-comp> oh yes, I remember having trouble with that before 12:52:11 <dihedral> :P 12:52:20 <jonty-comp> what do I use to pipe stderr to a file? 12:52:29 <dihedral> windows? 12:52:33 <dihedral> who cares :-D 12:52:37 <jonty-comp> :( 12:52:42 <dihedral> okok 12:52:46 <dihedral> 2&>1 > file 12:52:48 <jonty-comp> and what do you mean by "next to data folder"? the files are just in the same place that it downloaded them to 12:52:54 <dihedral> or 2&>1 | less ^^ 12:52:57 <Alberth> ./openttd ... >& output for collecting everything 12:53:26 <dihedral> the content_download folder is next to the data folder it picks the sample.cat from e.g. 12:53:54 <dihedral> which is in the folder of your openttd.cfg 12:54:31 <jonty-comp> yes, it is 12:55:18 * jonty-comp wishes windows cared about case and things in filenames 13:04:00 <Alberth> you are over-estimating the smartness of the average windows user. 13:09:26 <jonty-comp> well, quite 13:09:33 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-147.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [Quit: I'll get you next episode, Inspector Gadget! NEXT EPISODE!] 13:09:49 <jonty-comp> now to work out why it insists it's downloaded all of bananas but loads of them don't show up in content_download/data 13:11:28 <glx> start with -d misc3 and check what is the personal directory 13:16:49 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:17:06 <Belugas> hello 13:17:52 <Belugas> Xilion: stock market and TTD are not compatible 13:18:20 <Belugas> it's a transport game 13:18:52 *** ohnoitsavram [avram@123-243-10-69.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 13:19:43 <jonty-comp> http://paste.jontysewell.net/10 <-- so they are the only GRF files anywhere D: 13:20:33 <jonty-comp> indeed, the only GRF files anywhere on the whole server 13:20:45 <glx> redo it with / instead :) 13:20:50 <jonty-comp> just did 13:20:50 <KenjiE20> content_download get stored in .tar's 13:20:53 <jonty-comp> except wait, they are in tar files 13:20:53 <jonty-comp> ha 13:21:39 <glx> -d misc4 tells you all searched paths 13:21:56 <jonty-comp> no tar files either 13:22:09 <glx> (paths prepended to /data and /content_download/data) 13:23:26 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:23:35 <jonty-comp> does it keep a cache of what it has downloaded somewhere? 13:24:50 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 13:24:55 <jonty-comp> there, now I am downloading everything I think 13:25:43 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [] 13:25:47 <jonty-comp> hurray, it finally lists all of them, I think 13:26:06 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 13:28:49 <ohnoitsavram> I have this weird problem with BaNaNAs where it keeps making me download the old versions of av8 13:28:53 <ohnoitsavram> Even thoug I don't want them... 13:29:06 <glx> ohnoitsavram: a scenario requires it IIRC 13:29:16 <ohnoitsavram> ! 13:29:19 <ohnoitsavram> thats prolly it 13:29:45 <ohnoitsavram> cause it happens when I ask it to d/l heightmaps 13:30:05 <ohnoitsavram> or maybe its cause I have a scenario in my scenario folder 13:33:06 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 13:35:20 <glx> hmm "av8 extra 1.501" depends on "av8 1.5" 13:36:46 <ohnoitsavram> well that's silly it should depend on av8 1.501 13:38:41 <jonty-comp> boo 13:38:47 <jonty-comp> there are no good grfs on bananas D: 13:38:52 <jonty-comp> other than pikka's stuff 13:38:58 <jonty-comp> and some train sets 13:39:14 <jonty-comp> no passenger stations, no pikka's industries, smeeel 13:39:23 <ohnoitsavram> there 13:39:25 <ohnoitsavram> s NARS 13:39:53 <ohnoitsavram> and 2cc and ummm umm umm the american signal set 13:40:01 <ohnoitsavram> ISR 8 13:40:07 <planetmaker> ecs 13:40:19 <glx> planetmaker: he said good :) 13:40:22 <glx> ;) 13:40:24 <planetmaker> :P 13:40:35 * planetmaker rarely plays with ECS :) 13:40:47 <planetmaker> egrvts 13:41:01 <ohnoitsavram> PBS is alright but messed up with ottd 13:41:08 <ohnoitsavram> I mean PBI 13:41:16 <ohnoitsavram> :S the signalling is pretyt cool lol 13:41:24 <planetmaker> tbrs 13:42:20 <ohnoitsavram> what BaNaNas should have but doesn't: NA roads NA city 13:43:01 <planetmaker> there's a number of newgrfs I'd like to see there. Mainly all in the #openttdcoop newgrf pack :P 13:43:32 <ohnoitsavram> the snowy stolen trees in that pack are outdated D: 13:44:48 <planetmaker> that includes the old ones... so people could easily get missing newgrfs for old savegames. 13:45:08 <planetmaker> they could just be tagged obsolete and unavailable for anything like r > r15000 13:45:20 <planetmaker> oh well :) 13:45:43 <planetmaker> it's the newgrf authors' decisions. 13:46:47 <ohnoitsavram> Part of the appeal of ottd and ttdp for me is the amazing customizability of it 13:47:04 <ohnoitsavram> I spend more time messing aorund with the game than playing it 13:47:28 *** mikl [~mikl@94.191.248.25.bredband.3.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:48:28 <planetmaker> he :) 13:49:49 <Alberth> dihedral: eh, tt-forums is not responding 13:50:28 <planetmaker> he... 13:50:44 <planetmaker> it worked right 5 minutes back. but not now 13:51:32 <Belugas> maybe too many code submission for OpenTTD 500... 13:54:23 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@vps.jontysewell.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:54:38 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@vps.jontysewell.net] has joined #openttd 13:55:04 <TrueBrain> LODE RUNNER!!! :) :) :) 13:55:46 <Forked> +500 13:59:18 <planetmaker> hehe, yeah. Maybe owen should have granted him the wish of an own sub-forum. It wouldn't spam the other forums, then :P 14:00:06 <TrueBrain> I think it is nice the forum is 'active' for at least once :) 14:00:08 <Belugas> that might have given him a big head, me thinks. He's already quite full of himself 14:00:27 <planetmaker> Belugas, but that cannot be rised further, can it? 14:00:36 <Belugas> you think? 14:00:42 <Belugas> i would not bet on it... 14:00:59 <Belugas> don't get me wrong, it would be fun to see this project working out 14:00:59 <planetmaker> What he shows is already beyond my imagination ;) 14:01:24 <planetmaker> Belugas, certainly. And I do agree. 14:01:48 <planetmaker> But well... if past is a measure for the future, the latter doesn't look bright for this project. 14:01:49 <Belugas> i just doubt he'll be able to gather enough enthusiam for people to work for him 14:02:00 <Belugas> yeah, you are right, planetmaker 14:02:36 <planetmaker> it sounds also too much like this leanden guy: I'm the head of the projects, you may fill in the boring, but real tasks... :S 14:03:23 <planetmaker> alas. Let's wait and see :) 14:03:56 *** thingwath [~thingwath@wireless-185.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 14:04:22 <Belugas> yup 14:04:53 <planetmaker> I could already spent two lifes on the ideas which I have :) 14:04:56 <Belugas> it reminds me of someone else who wanted ottd to become OpenDune or somehting... 14:05:03 <planetmaker> lol ? 14:06:07 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: just two? 14:06:18 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, concerning OpenTTD :) 14:06:29 <TrueBrain> ;) 14:06:34 <Belugas> tell me about it... 14:07:16 <planetmaker> :) 14:09:52 <ohnoitsavram> There'd be nothing wrong with being head of a project if oyu paid people to do the work 14:09:57 <planetmaker> there's unfortunately also no "save and reload" function, if something doesn't work out as intended in RL ;) 14:10:12 <ohnoitsavram> its expecting people to do what you want for free that makes you seem like a douche 14:10:42 <ohnoitsavram> btw I've reloaded life a few times 14:10:56 <ohnoitsavram> its in the advanced settings menu but not many people know how to get to it 14:11:00 <planetmaker> ;) 14:17:21 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Lode runner was cool :-) 14:17:30 <blathijs> TrueBrain: But what prompted you to shout about it? 14:17:43 <TrueBrain> blathijs: was looking through some simple 16bit apps to 'port' 14:17:45 <TrueBrain> found Lode Runner 14:17:48 <TrueBrain> played it for a while :p 14:17:55 * blathijs played it for ages 14:18:14 <blathijs> It was one of the few games that came with our first computer :-) 14:18:23 <TrueBrain> I even made tons of levels for the game 14:18:29 <TrueBrain> (although not for LoadRunner 1 :p) 14:19:03 <blathijs> hehe 14:22:25 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fefd5.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 14:23:27 <Eddi|zuHause> one of the early games that i played the most was Sokoban 14:24:01 <TrueBrain> also a nice game :) 14:24:14 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F310.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:24:26 <TrueBrain> http://www.abandonia.com/files/20090504.png <- I have been looking for that game for ages ... and now it is front-page QUIZ of abandonia ...... GRRR 14:24:44 <Eddi|zuHause> we had packman and tetris versions that relied on specific processor speeds 14:24:56 <TrueBrain> most of those old games do :) 14:25:01 <Eddi|zuHause> they were practically unplayable 14:25:15 <TrueBrain> LodeRunner comes with a readme, which says: 14:25:17 <TrueBrain> " 14:25:18 <TrueBrain> If you need to change the default speed, just change the 16-bit word at 14:25:20 <TrueBrain> offset A871H, lower value means higher speed. 14:25:20 <Eddi|zuHause> because our computer had no turbo button 14:25:21 <TrueBrain> " 14:25:28 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff7cc100-243.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:25:37 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff7cc100-243.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 14:25:38 <TrueBrain> in the old days, they just let a register overflow, as 'delay' 14:25:39 <glx> <Eddi|zuHause> we had packman and tetris versions that relied on specific processor speeds <-- I hate games coded like that 14:25:41 <Eddi|zuHause> in later times the solution to that problem was to let the programs run in windows :p 14:26:00 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff7cc100-243.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:26:03 <TrueBrain> also the reason you can alter the speed in DosBox :) 14:26:04 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Woah, that's an awesome README entry :-) 14:26:33 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B808C2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:26:38 <ohnoitsavram> *thinks back to running x-com collectors edition* 14:26:49 <ohnoitsavram> naw, I don't think windows solved the problem 14:27:03 <Eddi|zuHause> north&south was also one of the games that did not check processor speed 14:27:23 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: 90% of the games before 1990 didn't 14:27:32 <TrueBrain> I think you can stretch that year to 1992 or so 14:27:34 <Eddi|zuHause> and the EGA mode was buggy/unplayable 14:27:40 <glx> last time I tried N&S was unplayable 14:27:48 <TrueBrain> don't know north&south :p 14:27:55 <glx> funny game :) 14:28:18 <Eddi|zuHause> capturing trains and stuff ;) 14:28:38 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80B9D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:28:42 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 14:29:23 <TrueBrain> BlockOut 14:29:29 <TrueBrain> reading through those websites makes me all fuzzy :) 14:29:30 <Eddi|zuHause> ooooh yeah, i remember that 14:29:39 <TrueBrain> Lemmings! Haha :) 14:29:53 <TrueBrain> Commander Keen 14:29:55 <TrueBrain> Spiderman 14:29:57 <TrueBrain> I should stop :) 14:30:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know any spiderman game 14:30:17 <TrueBrain> GODS 14:30:17 <TrueBrain> haha!!! :) 14:30:26 <Eddi|zuHause> and i never really played commander keen 14:30:27 <TrueBrain> http://www.bestoldgames.net/eng/old-games/amazing-spider-man.php 14:30:39 <Eddi|zuHause> that was the guy with the bouncy thingy, right? 14:31:25 <TrueBrain> http://www.bestoldgames.net/eng/old-games/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles.php <- hours of playing .... 14:31:55 <ohnoitsavram> I just payed warcraft 1 and doom 14:32:10 <Eddi|zuHause> i remember playing lots of monkey island and zak mckracken 14:32:46 <Eddi|zuHause> oh what we had fun playing "sword fight" :p 14:33:50 *** Mark [~Mark@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- \o/] 14:35:39 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejl63.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 14:38:13 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejl63.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 14:39:12 <frosch123> "(ich gehe mal davon aus, das DBSet 0.9 wird das unterstÃŒtzen) " <- Eddi|zuHause: nice one :) 14:40:19 <Eddi|zuHause> i vaguely remember seeing screenshots/teasers that showed something like this 14:40:51 <frosch123> independent of that, of course it will support *everything* :) 14:41:29 <Eddi|zuHause> well, once it ships bundled with Duke Nukem Forever ;) 14:45:41 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 14:45:44 <planetmaker> :P 14:45:48 <Eddi|zuHause> lmao... radio guy: "amy winehouse was brought into the hospital for dehdration. amy winehouse lying too much in the sun and drinking too little? that goes beyond my imagination." :p 14:46:06 <planetmaker> there are even people who are convinced that dbxl 0.9 will be available from bananas... 14:46:09 <Eddi|zuHause> s/hd/hyd/ 14:46:51 <SmatZ> drinking alcohol doesn't keep you from dehydration 14:47:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i know ;) 14:47:06 <SmatZ> :o) 14:47:30 <frosch123> do you know that water itself is dehydrating? :) 14:48:16 <Eddi|zuHause> distilled water can even be poisonous 14:48:17 * SmatZ ended in endless loop while trying to understand that :) 14:49:05 *** Mark [~Mark@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 14:49:17 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, but you'd need to drink litres of it in order to suffer any serious harm 14:49:47 <TrueBrain> drink 10L of what ever fluid, and you most likely are brought to the hospital :p 14:49:57 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, true ;) 14:50:06 <frosch123> TrueBrain: no need for that anymore 14:50:34 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, though... you didn't specify the time for that endeavour. I say, like 2...3 days is fine :) 14:50:49 <TrueBrain> okay, nitwitt, say in 2 hours :p 14:50:56 <planetmaker> :) 14:51:03 <TrueBrain> friend of mine tried to drink 5L of milk in 1 hour 14:51:17 <TrueBrain> he finished ... and then puked 14:51:21 <TrueBrain> was really ......... bleh 14:51:21 <planetmaker> well. I can easily do with 1 1/2... 14:51:24 <SmatZ> :-D 14:51:30 <planetmaker> but yeah :P 14:51:33 <Eddi|zuHause> they did that on jackass once 14:51:40 <Eddi|zuHause> i think with a similar outcome :p 14:52:03 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't like pure milk 14:53:17 <planetmaker> I think one of the first problems is to actually get 5l within your stomach... might work. just. 14:54:18 <ohnoitsavram> what on earth is pure milk 14:54:22 <ohnoitsavram> is the stuff I by pure milk 14:54:26 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejl63.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:54:27 * Belugas prefers to pick a beer, sit on the garden and drink it slowly, taking the time to enjoy ti 14:54:29 <Sacro> 5l of milk in an hour? 14:54:32 <Sacro> I could do that 14:54:46 <Eddi|zuHause> ohnoitsavram: as in opposed to milk with cocoa 14:54:48 <Sacro> oh 14:54:51 <Sacro> almost 9 pints 14:54:58 <Sacro> that'd be a challenge i admit 14:55:09 <TrueBrain> Sacro: from what I gathered, it is about th elimit of what a human can take without .. well .. dying :p 14:55:09 <ohnoitsavram> In europe their milk comes in percentages 14:55:24 <ohnoitsavram> And it doesn't come in the plastic bottles 14:55:29 <TrueBrain> well .. I guess if you puke afterwards, you should be fine :p 14:55:31 <ohnoitsavram> only paper 14:56:17 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeiy113.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 14:56:24 <frosch123> ohnoitsavram: hint: everyone participating in the discussion is from europe 14:56:30 <ohnoitsavram> D: 14:57:00 <frosch123> well, sorry, except belugas 14:57:08 <ohnoitsavram> I'm an aussie 14:57:16 <planetmaker> :) 14:57:25 <Belugas> i'm from Quebec 14:57:26 <planetmaker> you're up... late or early :) 14:57:39 <Belugas> well.. no.. from Belgium, but moved here... 14:57:45 <Eddi|zuHause> i have slept 2h tonight... 14:57:47 <Sacro> ohnoitsavram: oh? 14:57:54 <Sacro> my milk comes in a plastic bottle 14:58:16 <frosch123> Sacro: you are not from *real* europe :p 14:58:20 <Eddi|zuHause> i have never seen milk in plastic bottles... 14:58:26 <Eddi|zuHause> glass bottles, yes 14:58:34 <ohnoitsavram> the flavor changes 14:58:34 <Eddi|zuHause> plastic bags 14:58:38 <ohnoitsavram> dramatically 14:58:44 <ohnoitsavram> I can't drink the kidn that comes from paper 14:58:45 <Eddi|zuHause> or TetraPak(c) 14:59:05 <frosch123> yeah, you have to close jalousie before opening it 14:59:35 <ohnoitsavram> http://ecostreet.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/milk-bottle.jpg 14:59:38 <Eddi|zuHause> i think it's spelled jealousie 14:59:47 <ohnoitsavram> there's a beautiful example of a plastic milk bottle 15:00:08 <ohnoitsavram> ;_; ain't it beautiful 15:00:14 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, in NZ most milk came in plastic bottles... 15:00:15 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: i c&pd from leo :p 15:00:45 <ohnoitsavram> yeah I think its an environmental regulatio or something down here 15:01:29 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i have never been in new zealand 15:01:30 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5D08A.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:02:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i have only ever been in two countries for significantly more than a week, and one of them does not exist anymore 15:02:12 <ohnoitsavram> lol 15:02:24 <ohnoitsavram> The country I was born in doesn't exist anymore 15:02:34 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i have not actually moved out of the country 15:02:48 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: you are cheating 15:04:05 <Eddi|zuHause> that was the time when the term "scheià Westverpackungen" was coined :p 15:04:20 <planetmaker> lol :) 15:04:27 <ohnoitsavram> its east germany 15:04:42 <ohnoitsavram> right? 15:04:43 <planetmaker> ^^ 15:05:05 <Eddi|zuHause> they used so many plastic to wrap stuff, and it was impossible to open anything... 15:05:48 <planetmaker> didn't really change, did it? :) 15:07:53 <Eddi|zuHause> no, my mother still regularly uses that term :p 15:08:57 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.sennerei-lingenau.at/Bilder/MILCHBEUTEL.jpg <- this is how milk was typically available back then 15:10:16 <ohnoitsavram> god that packaging is just asking for trouble 15:10:37 *** Ammler [~ammler@ammler.ch] has joined #openttd 15:10:53 <Ammler> Hello, someone knows, how to fix "dbg: [net] getaddrinfo(, 0) failed: Name or service not known" 15:11:05 <Eddi|zuHause> it's probably more environmentally friendly than anything else available 15:11:10 <frosch123> ohnoitsavram: you put that bag inside a more firmly thingie 15:11:42 <frosch123> similiar to detergent :p 15:11:46 <Ammler> (advertising works with 0.7, that is from nightly) 16:54:31 *** SpBot [spbot@skrblz.fixme.fi] has joined #openttd 16:54:54 *** SHADOW-XIV [~Miranda@78.147.8.204] has joined #openttd 16:57:53 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:58:21 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.147.8.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:59:27 *** Skiddles [~notme@cm215.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:03:54 *** Laurens [~Laurens@ip255-198-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 17:04:17 *** SHADOW-XIV [~Miranda@78.147.8.204] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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Always been like that, since.. ho... SmatZ answered... 17:14:40 <SmatZ> 8-) 17:16:28 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host241-236-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:16:38 <Wolf01> hello 17:16:58 <HackaLittleBit> hello wolf01 long time no see 17:17:54 <Belugas> hey Wolf01 17:18:04 <planetmaker> hey Wolf01 17:18:29 <HackaLittleBit> Smatz: Belugas: Got it. 17:20:16 <HackaLittleBit> dinner time, good evening :) 17:20:24 <HackaLittleBit> and thanks 17:21:08 *** HackaLittleBit [~Hack@195-23-22-231.net.novis.pt] has left #openttd [] 17:22:47 *** Laurens [~Laurens@ip255-198-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 17:24:09 <frosch123> pff, already gone 17:24:40 <planetmaker> he's missing out. Not you ;) 17:37:11 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:44:46 *** FR^2 [frr@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 17:46:20 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:55:33 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@murrayjm8.umeres.maine.edu] has joined #openttd 18:10:10 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.] 18:17:43 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:27:23 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.182.58] has joined #openttd 18:33:28 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 18:34:22 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.164.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:36:17 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@murrayjm8.umeres.maine.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:41:02 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16226 /trunk/src/ (widget.cpp widget_type.h window.cpp): -Codechange: Separating generation of a widget array from WindowDesc to the InitializeWidgetArrayFromNestedWidgets function. 18:42:49 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Quit: Adia?.] 18:43:02 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16227 /trunk/src/ (misc_gui.cpp widgets/dropdown.cpp): -Codechange: Added nested widgets for error windows, tooltip window, and dropdown window. 18:47:02 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 18:47:27 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 18:50:22 *** Xilion [~bill_mc_g@ip5650b4ec.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [] 18:51:19 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 18:52:38 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 18:53:03 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has quit [] 18:53:09 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 18:53:18 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 19:00:42 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@f051147245.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:07:41 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051147245.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:07:41 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 19:27:37 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: frosch * r16228 /trunk/src/vehicle.cpp: 19:27:37 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Fix/Change (r16187): If we are heading for a different depot, do also not do the refitting-part of the depot-order. 19:27:37 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Fix (r16198): && != &, GetDepotOrderType != GetDepotActionType and - uhm - ODATFB_NEAREST_DEPOT is not set for current_order either. 19:38:05 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet517.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:39:19 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-231-86.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:46:12 *** Muxy [~Muxy@smtp.bdelalande.net] has joined #openttd 19:46:42 *** Muxy [~Muxy@smtp.bdelalande.net] has quit [] 19:49:42 * dihedral waves a tired hello 19:49:47 <dihedral> o/ 19:51:22 *** FR^2 [frr@frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Der Worte sind genug gewechselt, lasst mich auch endlich Taten sehn!] 19:54:25 <SmatZ> ohai dihedral 19:54:40 <dihedral> hello SmatZ 19:54:44 <dihedral> how is you? 19:55:42 <SmatZ> studying... 19:55:46 <SmatZ> tired... 19:56:20 <dihedral> :-( 19:56:47 * dihedral shakes SmatZ around a bit to raise the level of adrenalin in his blood in the hope that it will make him a bit more awake :-P 19:56:55 <SmatZ> :-) thank you 19:56:58 <dihedral> hihi 19:57:03 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet517.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 19:58:23 * Booth laughs at the shaking 20:00:05 <Belugas> hey.. let go the SmatZ studying in peace, willya? 20:00:08 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5D08A.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:00:27 <frosch123> yeah, don't highlight poor SmatZ all the time 20:00:32 <SmatZ> :-D 20:00:37 <SmatZ> thanks guys :) 20:03:17 * dihedral hugs SmatZ 20:03:18 <dihedral> :-P 20:03:36 <dihedral> hello Belugas 20:03:37 <dihedral> :-) 20:04:04 * Belugas shakes dihedral around a lot until... hem... dunno... just to get the steam out ! 20:04:09 <SmatZ> :-D 20:04:12 <Belugas> hello dihedral ;) 20:04:36 <dihedral> h-h-h-h-e-e-e .... llllllll -... l....oooooooooooo 20:04:43 <dihedral> ::-) 20:04:45 <SmatZ> :-D 20:05:56 *** orava [~orava@a88-114-52-67.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:07:47 *** orava [~orava@a88-114-52-67.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 20:10:37 *** orava [~orava@a88-114-52-67.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 20:10:44 *** orava [~orava@a88-114-52-67.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 20:23:58 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet517.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:27:50 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:29:46 <Wolf01> http://www.supersimplestorageservice.com/ O_O 20:30:14 <Belugas> hin hin hin... sirXavius needs more more users like Lordmwa! -> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=43449 20:31:56 <Belugas> write only? and how the f doyou retrieve your data back??? 20:32:59 <SpComb> Wolf01: I particularly like the third PayPal button 20:33:01 <frosch123> ,000 - The entire S4 website and company <- :) 20:33:13 <frosch123> nice page Wolf01 :) 20:34:44 <Wolf01> <Belugas> write only? and how the f doyou retrieve your data back??? <- you can go phisically there and get an engraved stone with your data, you need only a stone reader 20:35:46 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x3ef3a188.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:35:49 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 20:36:03 * Belugas has a vision of Moise receiving tyhe Tables of Law, in the movie with Charlton Eston ( or something like that) 20:39:06 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet517.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 20:51:23 <Wolf01> http://www.supersimplestorageservice.com/error.html?aspxerrorpath=/secure/s4/pipeline/cache/throughput/proof.aspx 20:51:25 <Wolf01> lol 20:52:01 <SmatZ> :-D 20:52:21 <Sacro> does anyone here have a decent physics knowledge? 20:52:26 <SmatZ> the game :-x 20:52:32 <SmatZ> Sacro: planetmaker 20:52:33 <Sacro> SmatZ: damn you 20:52:39 <Sacro> planetmaker: ping 20:52:47 <SmatZ> sorry planetmaker 20:53:18 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:54:08 <frosch123> hmm, when sacro ask such things, it is likely about the conversion of pounds to kg or similiar 20:56:33 <Sacro> frosch123: yes 20:56:45 <Sacro> i want to know how to calculate the Vafter for when 2 spheres collide 20:57:01 <Sacro> I have lots of stuff but I fail to quite comprehend it 20:57:14 <Sacro> oh and it's 2.21 lb in kg 20:57:17 <Sacro> i think :\ 20:57:36 <frosch123> my dictionary does not contain 'vafter' 20:57:50 <Sacro> well you have balls, A and B 20:57:55 <Sacro> and then Va and Vb 20:57:56 <Sacro> they hit 20:58:05 <Sacro> and I want to know the output velocities 20:59:19 <frosch123> if they collide elastically you have to compute their impulse 20:59:33 <Hirundo> assuming a perfect collision, both impulse and kinetic energy should remain constant 21:00:02 <Sacro> Hirundo: Yep, I know that much 21:00:04 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db01839.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: gn8] 21:00:07 <frosch123> so two equations and two variables :) 21:01:00 <Hirundo> get paper and pen and start doing maths, it's definitely easier than learning chinese 21:01:11 <Sacro> Hirundo: i have a paper and pen 21:02:36 <Hirundo> me too 21:03:00 <frosch123> so take "v_a1 m_a + v_b1 m_b = v_a2 m_a + v_b2 m_b" and "v_a1^2 m_a + v_b1^2 m_b = v_a2^2 m_a + v_b2^2 m_b" and start solving 21:03:25 <frosch123> you will likely get two "mathematical solutions", but only one makes sense 21:04:19 <Sacro> *head asplode* 21:04:24 <Noldo> frosch123: what is that? 21:05:14 <Noldo> ahaa, no wonder it seemed familiar 21:05:15 <frosch123> on the left is "impulse stays constant" on the right is "(half of) kinetic energy stays constant" 21:05:22 <Noldo> I solved that on maple once 21:05:56 <Noldo> for a simulation thing I was working on 21:06:47 <Hirundo> Sacro: do you need to solve a specific case, or do you need a generic solution to use in some sort of simulation? 21:07:00 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-238-168.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 21:07:11 <Sacro> Hirundo: generic for some sort of simulation 21:07:43 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:10:12 <Hirundo> use of substitution (is that the right term?) may help you to keep the equation sane 21:10:42 <Sacro> hrm :( 21:10:49 <Hirundo> e.g. define "impulse_in" as "v_a1 m_a + v_b1 m_b" to avoid the equation becoming too long 21:11:07 <Hirundo> in any implementation, you would likely do the same 21:11:22 <Sacro> hmm, right 21:12:49 <Noldo> Sacro: wait a sec, I might have that in C 21:13:40 <Sacro> ooh 21:13:50 <Sacro> i have the foobillard source 21:13:52 <Sacro> but it is complex 21:15:27 <Noldo> sorry can't find it 21:15:37 <Sacro> mhm 21:15:49 <Sacro> it confuses me :( 21:23:31 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]] 21:27:04 *** orava [~orava@a88-114-52-67.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:27:33 *** orava [~orava@a88-114-52-67.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 21:27:50 *** orava [~orava@a88-114-52-67.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 21:29:22 <Wolf01> 'night 21:29:29 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host241-236-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:32:30 *** orava [~orava@a88-114-52-67.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 21:35:22 *** FauxFaux [faux@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Irssi upgrade o'clock. \o/] 21:36:12 *** Spoons [faux@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 21:37:46 *** mizipzor_ [mizipzor@titan.blinkenshell.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:39:05 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-231-86.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:46:20 <Sacro> Sigh, still confused 21:46:42 <Sacro> frosch123 / Noldo : heeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp :'( 21:47:16 <frosch123> do you have err "numbers" or "variables"? 21:47:25 <Sacro> Yeah 21:47:34 <Sacro> currently doing Shooter vs Marble 21:47:53 <Sacro> they both have .Position ( Vector3f ), and Mass (int) 21:48:11 <Sacro> Vector3 difference = Shooter.Position; 21:48:11 <Sacro> difference.Sub(Marbles[7].Position); 21:48:11 <Sacro> if(difference.Length <= (Marble.Radius + Shooter.Radius)) 21:48:11 <Sacro> float totalMass = Shooter.Mass + Marble.Mass; 21:48:11 <Sacro> Vector3 totalVelocity = 21:48:14 <Sacro> Marbles[7].Velocity.Scale(); 21:48:16 <Sacro> } 21:48:19 <Sacro> tells me if they collide 21:48:30 <SmatZ> Sacro: you know about paste.openttd.org, right? 21:48:39 <Sacro> SmatZ: yep 21:48:44 <Sacro> shift + insert is quicker 21:49:11 <TrueBrain> @kick Sacro kicking too .. use pastebin .. 21:49:11 *** Sacro was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [kicking too .. use pastebin ..] 21:49:20 <SmatZ> [23:49:10] [482] #openttd You're not channel operator 21:49:25 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 21:49:27 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: just wanted to do exactly the same ;) 21:49:27 <Sacro> TrueBrain: oi :( 21:49:29 <TrueBrain> I don't like people with 'clever' comments to ops 21:49:43 *** mode/#openttd [+o SmatZ] by DorpsGek 21:49:49 <Sacro> TrueBrain: smatz isn't an op 21:49:56 <Xaroth> he is now :P 21:49:57 *** Sacro was kicked from #openttd by SmatZ [sure I am] 21:50:04 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:50:14 <TrueBrain> @mode +b ~ben@150.237.48.99 21:50:16 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!~ben@150.237.48.99] by DorpsGek 21:50:21 <SmatZ> ahhh thanks 21:50:32 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 21:50:38 <TrueBrain> and I dislike people even more if even then they can't say: sorry ... 21:50:39 <SmatZ> hello Nite_Owl 21:50:41 <TrueBrain> hi Nite_Owl 21:50:49 <TrueBrain> and hello all :) 21:51:00 <SmatZ> welcome TrueBrain, how was your climbing :) 21:51:10 <TrueBrain> good good :) 21:51:15 <Nite_Owl> Hello SmatZ & TrueBrain 21:51:36 <TrueBrain> and SmatZ, how was Wolfenstein 3D ? :p 21:52:16 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: finished in 30 minutes - actually I never finished it as a kid, it was too hard and scary for me those days :-x 21:52:28 <TrueBrain> you completed the whole game in 30min? :) 21:52:35 <SmatZ> only first episode :) 21:52:36 <TrueBrain> and yeah ... I found it too scary too :p 21:52:46 <SmatZ> :) 21:53:32 <TrueBrain> @mode -b ~ben@150.237.48.99 21:53:35 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!~ben@150.237.48.99] by DorpsGek 21:54:39 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 21:54:45 <fjb> Wolfenstein? Most fun was it to get both patches applied at the same time. :-) 21:54:47 <Sacro> Sorry SmatZ, no offence was meant 21:55:14 <SmatZ> Sacro: no offence taken :) just... be more polite please 21:55:40 <Sacro> mmhm, I need people's assistance, physics isn't my strong point 21:56:01 <TrueBrain> f = m times a .. all you need to know :p 21:57:35 <Sacro> I know that much :) 21:57:56 *** Sapakara [~chatzilla@84-245-33-124.dsl.cambrium.nl] has joined #openttd 21:58:44 <frosch123> Sacro: we already told you all physics you need, you just have to do the math 21:59:53 <Nite_Owl> So which do you prefer as a free antivirus utility - AVG or Avast? 22:00:07 <TrueBrain> it always suprises me the questions that are asked in this channel :p 22:00:16 <TrueBrain> either way: ClamAV 22:00:19 <TinoDidriksen> One does not need any AV if one has a brain. 22:00:30 <TrueBrain> TinoDidriksen: very untrue 22:00:31 <Sacro> frosch123: it's that that breaks my mind 22:00:32 <SmatZ> Nite_Owl: I am using Avast 22:00:38 * Nite_Owl just switched to Avast 22:00:43 <SmatZ> :) 22:00:50 <fjb> AVG (but its advertising window are sometimes annoying). 22:01:10 <SmatZ> TinoDidriksen: not true :( I got infected after opening email in Outlook... because of some security holes 22:01:14 <SmatZ> long time ago 22:01:14 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:01:20 <KenjiE20> ^ what fjb said 22:01:22 <TrueBrain> one of the many ways 22:01:40 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 22:02:10 <glx> avg and I don't see the advertising window 22:02:24 <fjb> And ClamAV for the mailserver. 22:02:26 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:02:43 <Nite_Owl> I still have Windows98 running on one puter and AVG no longer supports that OS 22:02:58 <Nite_Owl> as of April 30th 22:03:25 <glx> MS don't support it either 22:03:32 <Nite_Owl> I know 22:03:35 <fjb> 11 years old OS? No need to care about security then. :-) 22:04:02 <TrueBrain> why run an AV at all :p 22:04:18 <Nite_Owl> I just like to be consistent across all my PC's 22:04:23 <glx> internet on win98 is already a pain ;) 22:04:30 <TrueBrain> consistent .. you just told us you have win98! 22:04:31 <fjb> Some day even virusses will stop to support that OS. :-) 22:04:39 <SmatZ> :) 22:05:12 <TrueBrain> for win98 I suggest tbav! 22:05:12 <Nite_Owl> not really - that PC still connects to the net really well 22:05:53 <Nite_Owl> as long as you do not do anything too heavy with it 22:05:57 <SmatZ> Nite_Owl: what browser do you use? IE5? FF2? 22:06:07 <Nite_Owl> FF2 22:06:31 <SmatZ> I installed FF1 at Win95 machine... which is able to connect to net :) but it isn't used for browsing... 22:07:18 <Nite_Owl> 2.0.0.20 - the last Win98 compatible version 22:10:24 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.147.8.204] has joined #openttd 22:10:40 <Nite_Owl> I need to keep PC's separate for work and personal use for tax reasons 22:10:58 <TrueBrain> buy a new pc 22:11:04 <TrueBrain> for 200 euro you can replace the win98 :p 22:11:15 <Nite_Owl> I have several PC's already 22:12:49 <Bjarni> <TrueBrain> for 200 euro you can replace the win98 :p <-- you can download linux for free :D 22:13:12 <TrueBrain> I was not talking about the software ... 22:13:26 <Nite_Owl> I keep the Win98 one for the native DOS programs I sometimes run - a few of them do not like dosbox 22:13:55 <Bjarni> programs which doesn't like dosbox.... 22:14:01 * Bjarni points to Xcom 3 22:14:10 <SmatZ> apocalypse? 22:14:14 <Bjarni> 1+2 for that matter. They all work, but they are slow 22:14:17 <SmatZ> it's too slow I guess :( 22:14:28 <SmatZ> sure? 22:14:32 <SmatZ> :( 22:14:44 <Nite_Owl> use MoSlo for stuff like that 22:14:50 <SmatZ> I was having problems with it running too fast @ 120MHz Pentium :) 22:14:55 *** Klanticus [~quassel@143.107.231.49] has joined #openttd 22:15:01 <SmatZ> MoSlo makes things slower, not faster :) 22:15:05 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485D5D5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:15:33 <Nite_Owl> my bad - misread 22:15:41 <Bjarni> X-com 1+2 needs a fast computer in Dosbox if you want to enjoy it 22:15:53 <SmatZ> and I have old 133MHz notebook with win98+DOS for these cases ;) though, the CDROM stopped working few months ago :-x 22:16:15 <Bjarni> but funny enough while it can take forever for the computer to figure out how to move, it shoots really fast so the shooting part needs to be slowed 22:16:29 <SmatZ> :) 22:16:33 <SmatZ> yeah :( 22:16:46 <Bjarni> I managed to make a decent setup which works quite well 22:16:51 <Bjarni> but I can't remember the numbers 22:17:02 <Bjarni> I hope I kept the settings somewhere 22:17:19 <SmatZ> for christmass 2007, I bought X-Com trilogy, Commandos trilogy... but never finished playing those :( 22:17:34 <SmatZ> hehe :) 22:17:42 <Bjarni> I wonder if any of the late X-com games are worth playing 22:17:53 <Bjarni> they made Interceptor and stuff 22:17:54 <SmatZ> I like them :) 22:18:02 <SmatZ> ahh ... I don't know 22:18:10 <Bjarni> never actually took a look at them 22:18:29 <Bjarni> I like 1+2+the unofficial patch 22:18:37 <Bjarni> to make random maps+random ufos 22:18:42 <SmatZ> I have aftermath+aftershock+afterlight... I don't know which after... I have installed though :) 22:18:53 *** fjb [~frank@p5485EFF6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:18:57 <SmatZ> random maps+ufos? 22:19:05 <Bjarni> yeah 22:19:08 <Bjarni> one moment 22:19:12 <Nite_Owl> The original one was the best of the lot - everything after that went slowly downhill 22:19:18 <Bjarni> I will locate the homepage for it 22:19:25 <SmatZ> I liked when I found how UFO's data files are organised 22:19:33 <SmatZ> so I changed the power of my laser rifle to max 22:19:35 <SmatZ> and such :) 22:19:48 <SmatZ> but it wasn't so entertaining in the long run 22:20:05 <SmatZ> I didn't like Terror from the Deep - it was all blue 22:20:15 <SmatZ> and it wasn't possible to shoot them above ground 22:20:29 <SmatZ> so I had to do zillions of tactical missions 22:20:31 <SmatZ> I hated them 22:20:48 <Nite_Owl> there is a semi-GUI based hex editor that allows all sorts of hacks 22:20:54 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:22:24 <SHADOW-XIII> ah at last new psp version of ottd 22:22:36 <TrueBrain> is that playable?! 22:22:56 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 22:23:15 <glx> IIRC our code is partly PSP aware 22:24:07 * glx tried phantasmagoria 22:24:16 <Nite_Owl> for X-Com 1 & 2 that is 22:24:21 <glx> looks nice, but very small on a 1680*1050 screen 22:24:26 <TrueBrain> glx: lol! 22:24:54 <glx> and sierra installers are a pain on XP 22:25:36 <Bjarni> I remember the only time I got control of a lobster man. I figured that he had one of those rocket launchers that could shoot turning rockets and since he was the only alien I could see I made him shoot himself in the back and he died :D 22:25:41 <SHADOW-XIII> OTTD on PSP is ok 22:25:46 <SHADOW-XIII> what is bad is lack of ram :( 22:25:59 <SHADOW-XIII> only 32mb (64mb with PSP 2000/3000) 22:26:21 <SHADOW-XIII> currently trying to find out errors I got 22:26:30 <SHADOW-XIII> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=786914#p786914 22:27:04 <Bjarni> SmatZ: http://xcomutil.scotttjones.com/ 22:27:22 <Bjarni> I like how the writer cares for SETI@home 22:27:35 <Bjarni> like he wants to find real aliens to fight 22:27:57 <Bjarni> he must have played X-com too little or he would have realised that you can lose too :P 22:28:09 <SmatZ> there was a bug in the original game that forced all games to the Beginner difficulty level, 22:28:18 <Bjarni> yeah 22:28:21 <SmatZ> explains why I finished the game as "Superhuman" so easily :-x 22:28:28 <Bjarni> LOL 22:29:10 <SmatZ> a bit of "Patch" for X-Com :) 22:29:24 <Bjarni> yeah 22:29:28 <SmatZ> The original XcomUtil was a command line utility with a confusing set of options 22:29:30 <SmatZ> heheheeh 22:29:32 <Bjarni> it haven't been updated for 4 years though 22:29:42 <SmatZ> :( 22:29:59 <Bjarni> it's still a command line interface 22:30:07 <Bjarni> but the options are less confusing 22:30:50 <SmatZ> I hated it when soldier's stats overflowed 22:30:56 <SmatZ> :-x 22:31:02 *** Gekz [~gekko@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:31:18 <Bjarni> if I recall correctly you can get the patch to finish/completely handle tactical combat and it will figure out a likely outcome 22:31:37 <Bjarni> your guys will use a lot of ammo though 22:31:55 *** Gekz [~gekko@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:34:32 *** const86 [const@tower.mimas.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:35:32 *** const86 [const@tower.mimas.ru] has joined #openttd 22:45:57 <Booth> hello all 22:46:53 <Nite_Owl> Hello Booth 22:47:37 <Booth> hello all 22:47:46 <Booth> anyhting interesting going on here? 22:50:39 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 22:51:03 <glx> no as always 22:51:21 *** racetrack [~racetrack@c114-76-16-69.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: no. just, no.] 22:53:22 <Booth> any one know where is can get a decent graphics card from for arround £100? 22:53:49 <TrueBrain> in a store 22:54:02 <Booth> ha ha ha 22:54:21 <Bjarni> on ebay 22:54:37 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 22:54:48 <Bjarni> check for the guy selling an airgitar. He likely have a graphic card for you too 22:55:29 <Booth> are you joking? 22:55:36 <Booth> an airgiutar? 22:56:03 <TrueBrain> we are always very serious here 22:56:13 <TrueBrain> that or we don't talk 22:58:24 <Booth> is this any good? > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-320MB-XFX-GeForce-8800GTS-DDR3-DVI-Graphics-Card_W0QQitemZ120413089903QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Computing_Computer_Components_Graphics_Video_TV_Cards_TW?hash=item120413089903&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1699%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 22:58:25 <fjb> I fact, we never talk. 22:58:31 <TrueBrain> it is very good 22:58:32 <TrueBrain> I would buy it 22:58:36 <TrueBrain> in fact, I would pay double for it 22:59:28 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [] 22:59:46 <KenjiE20> good card, good price 22:59:49 <Bjarni> <Booth> are you joking? <-- I'm referring to the bash quote about a guy who bought an air guitar on ebay for and he caused in some chat because he had yet to get it in the mail. He paid ages ago 23:00:09 <Booth> lol 23:00:31 <KenjiE20> (that's actually the card sitting in this rig) 23:00:53 <Booth> i have found the card for me i think >http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/INNO3D-NVIDIA-1GB-9800GT-GRAPHICS-CARD-1-GB-9800-GT_W0QQitemZ350195400950QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Computing_Computer_Components_Graphics_Video_TV_Cards_TW?hash=item350195400950&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1699%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1308%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 23:01:26 <TrueBrain> @kick Booth we are not an advertise channel 23:01:26 *** Booth was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [we are not an advertise channel] 23:01:36 *** Booth [~Booth@82-32-210-243.cable.ubr07.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:02:06 <Booth> thanks for the kick 23:02:16 <Booth> that was unneeded 23:02:27 <TrueBrain> sorry, I thought you were advertising for your ebay sells 23:02:36 <TrueBrain> I wish planetmaker was here 23:02:42 <Booth> no 23:02:48 <Booth> that what i was going to buy 23:02:53 <Booth> i dont sell on ebay 23:03:25 <Nite_Owl> I need to feed - later all 23:03:30 <TrueBrain> bye Nite_Owl :) 23:03:36 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 23:03:56 *** SHADOW-XIV [~Miranda@78.147.8.204] has joined #openttd 23:04:01 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.147.8.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:04:05 <Booth> planetmaker is in #openttdcoop 23:04:24 <frosch123> he is also here... 23:04:30 <Booth> by chance is SHADOW-XIV a bot 23:04:31 <SmatZ> he's everywhere 23:04:32 <SHADOW-XIV> does newest ECS require nightly OTTD ? 23:04:37 *** SHADOW-XIV is now known as SHADOW-XIII 23:05:11 <Booth> should work on stable 23:05:28 <frosch123> SHADOW-XIII: easy to tell, was it released before 0.7.0 ? 23:05:51 <frosch123> can you download it via bananas? 23:06:09 <SHADOW-XIII> can download it via bananas 23:06:22 <Booth> even easyer way to tell 23:06:24 <Booth> test it 23:06:27 <SHADOW-XIII> January-April releases 23:06:28 <Booth> play with it 23:06:38 <frosch123> if you can download it, it should work, or you can blame the author for misspecifiing compatibility 23:06:40 <SHADOW-XIII> doh, have to dl ottd 0.7 then 23:09:17 <TrueBrain> nightynight all 23:09:51 <Booth> @ 23:09:52 <Booth> ! 23:09:54 <Booth> ` 23:09:59 <Booth> @help 23:09:59 <DorpsGek> Booth: help [<plugin>] [<command>] 23:10:04 <Booth> !help 23:10:04 *** Booth was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Wrong channel. Retry in #openttdcoop.] 23:10:14 *** Booth [~Booth@82-32-210-243.cable.ubr07.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:10:20 <Booth> `help 23:10:52 <Booth> your bot kicks for spamming 23:10:55 <Booth> thats cool 23:10:56 <Booth> !help 23:10:56 *** Booth was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Wrong channel. Retry in #openttdcoop.] 23:11:07 *** Booth [~Booth@82-32-210-243.cable.ubr07.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:11:38 <Booth> what happens if you talk in # openttd.notice? 23:11:56 <Bjarni> you will be a bad boy 23:12:07 <Bjarni> and you will wake up tomorrow in a wet bed 23:12:23 <Booth> you will have to find where i live first 23:12:35 <Booth> and i know with trace route you can get it down to a mile 23:12:37 <Bjarni> I meant bad boys pee while they sleep 23:12:43 <Booth> but thats alot of city to search through 23:12:49 <Booth> ooh 23:13:14 <Bjarni> but I could give a 1000V burst to your IP as well 23:13:26 <Booth> haha 23:13:29 <Booth> as if 23:13:53 <Bjarni> I could also activate the botnet software on your computer an delete everything on your HD 23:14:18 <Booth> you could try 23:14:45 <Bjarni> you mean I have your permission to gain access to your computer? 23:14:51 *** Booth is now known as Booth{Bad_Boy} 23:14:59 <Booth{Bad_Boy}> try to gain access 23:15:04 *** Booth{Bad_Boy} is now known as Booth 23:15:18 <Bjarni> now you actually gave me permission 23:15:27 <Bjarni> which made it legal for me to try 23:15:38 <Booth> only this computer 23:16:03 <Booth> i can give you a head start if you want 23:16:11 <Booth> i can give you my IP address 23:16:29 <Bjarni> already got it 23:16:36 * frosch123 bets booth will say 127.0.0.1 23:16:41 <KenjiE20> 82-32-210-243.cable.ubr07.newt.blueyonder.co.uk <--- not that hard tbh 23:16:42 <fjb> Everybody got it. 23:16:43 <Booth> nope 23:17:00 <Bjarni> ok 23:17:01 <frosch123> :( 23:17:10 * Bjarni goes ahead and hacks 127.0.0.1 23:17:16 <Booth> the direct ip address for my pc is 192.168.1.2 on 82-32-210-243.cable.ubr07.newt.blueyonder.co.uk 23:17:32 <Bjarni> frosch123: want to help me hack 127.0.0.1 and delete all the files on that computer? 23:17:42 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051147245.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 23:17:44 <frosch123> you know the story of bitchecker? 23:17:49 <Booth> 127.0.0.1 23:18:16 <Bjarni> frosch123: no 23:18:26 <Booth> why do you want to hack a loop back network? 23:18:32 <Booth> lol you are an idiot 23:18:36 <Booth> now i am not worried 23:18:40 <frosch123> http://www.stophiphop.com/news/184.html <- that one 23:18:42 <Bjarni> lol 23:18:46 <KenjiE20> *whoosh* 23:18:49 <Bjarni> you missed my point 23:19:05 <Bjarni> I said I would hack it and then I asked people to help me hack 127.0.0.1 23:19:12 <Bjarni> you sort of missed that part 23:19:30 <Booth> ooh 23:19:34 <Booth> hack your own computer 23:19:51 <Booth> then i may be an idiot 23:21:12 <Bjarni> echte Hacker seien ein Mythos, genauso wie die Massenvernichtungswaffen in Irak <-- so hackers and mass destruction weapons are alike. I guess that means both myths starts in Germany 23:22:00 <Bjarni> Booth: you missed the point again. If I claim you are 127.0.0.1 and tell people to hack "your" IP, then you aren't the intended target 23:22:53 <welshdragon> hehe 23:23:20 <welshdragon> serious bsns now, can you make the icons bigger in openttd? 23:23:35 <welshdragon> my girlfriend's struggling to see the 23:23:50 <Booth> your girlfreind playS? 23:24:29 <Bjarni> your girlfriend? 23:24:48 <Booth> yeah you know some of us have girl friends 23:25:25 <Bjarni> looks like you are both imagine stuff 23:25:31 <Booth> lol 23:25:32 <Bjarni> you can seek help you know 23:25:38 <Booth> realy 23:25:49 <Booth> welshdragon is ok 23:25:56 <Booth> dont be mean to him 23:26:20 <Bjarni> welshdragon: did you think that I'm mean to you? :/ 23:26:24 <Booth> and my girl friend is on holiday at the so i am getting all the openttd i can while she isnt here 23:26:57 <Booth> but there is a way to make the icons bigger i think 23:27:24 <Bjarni> what icons are you talking about? 23:27:40 <Booth> also as a reply to you Bjarni to hack 127.0.0.1 you need to have a local server 23:27:43 <Bjarni> you want to make the sprites in the game bigger? 23:27:56 <Booth> i think welsh is talking about the map icons etc 23:28:48 <Bjarni> you can reduce the resolution. That way each icon will be bigger on the screen 23:28:49 <welshdragon> Bjarni: well, the general interface 23:28:55 <welshdragon> it's a tad small 23:29:13 <Bjarni> then the resolution switch is the way to go 23:29:15 <Bjarni> at least for now 23:29:36 <welshdragon> i'll create some icons then 23:29:54 <welshdragon> also i think you are not mean Bjarni 23:30:05 <Bjarni> what specific icons are you talking about? 23:30:32 <welshdragon> the buttons you get in game 23:30:34 <Bjarni> <welshdragon> also i think you are not mean Bjarni <-- see Booth. I'm actually a nice guy 23:30:54 <Bjarni> welshdragon: then why will you make new ones? 23:31:03 <welshdragon> Bjarni: bigger ones 23:31:13 <Bjarni> right now the size is hardcoded in the source and it will be a pain to replace all of that 23:31:17 <Bjarni> but 23:31:27 <Bjarni> change the resolution and everything will be bigger 23:31:35 <welshdragon> hmm, yeah, will do 23:32:01 <Booth> i never said you werent a nice guy 23:32:06 <Booth> i was just winding you up 23:32:14 <Booth> ammler told me your were a nice guy 23:32:40 <SmatZ> <Chris Booth> and call every one in #openttd idiot 23:32:47 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DB0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:32:50 <Ammler> omg 23:32:51 <SmatZ> nice guy, but one of idiots at #openttd :-p 23:33:15 <SmatZ> just... let it be :) 23:33:16 <Bjarni> SmatZ: have you ever found complete sanity on the internet? 23:33:22 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DC6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:33:25 <SmatZ> hehe 23:33:38 <Booth> we can start an idiots club 23:34:00 <glx> <Booth> what happens if you talk in # openttd.notice? <-- you can try :) 23:34:01 <Sacro> whooo my balls bounce 23:34:03 *** Booth is now known as Booth{Official_Idiot} 23:34:04 <SmatZ> the topic here used to say "No idiots allowed"... 23:34:04 <Bjarni> it will be crowded in no time 23:34:08 <frosch123> everything is smatz' fault, he unbanned the idiots 23:34:13 <SmatZ> yeah :( 23:34:14 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F310.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:34:19 <SmatZ> I thought the topic was too offensive 23:34:34 <frosch123> at least rb has not noticed yet 23:34:38 <SmatZ> :) 23:34:48 <Bjarni> SmatZ: you are an idiot 23:34:55 <Bjarni> you removed the "no idiots" rule 23:35:00 <SmatZ> people were making fun of that topic anyway 23:35:01 <Booth{Official_Idiot}> i am the offcial idiot 23:35:02 <Bjarni> most likely to stay in here :P 23:35:03 <SmatZ> boooo :-( 23:35:14 <Ammler> back to topic, couldn't you just "code" the gui with bigger images and offsets? 23:35:14 <SmatZ> someone added "Except me" 23:35:24 <Ammler> newgrf wise 23:35:50 <frosch123> SmatZ: both were added by the same :) 23:35:52 <Bjarni> Ammler: no because all window sizes are currently hardcoded for the current sprite size 23:35:57 <SmatZ> :-D 23:36:15 <Bjarni> not a perfect solution but I don't feel like going though all windows to correct it right now 23:36:31 <Ammler> I just mean the icon bar 23:36:49 <frosch123> Ammler: that is sheduled for ottd 0.9 23:36:56 <Ammler> hehe 23:37:01 <Booth{Official_Idiot}> not to far away then 23:37:03 <Booth{Official_Idiot}> 6 months 23:37:10 <Bjarni> man 23:37:17 <Bjarni> you really are an idiot 23:37:26 <Booth{Official_Idiot}> thanks 23:37:39 <Booth{Official_Idiot}> why now? 23:37:42 <Bjarni> Booth reminds me of Baldrick from Black Adder 23:37:45 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-238-168.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 23:37:59 <Booth{Official_Idiot}> baldrick always had the good idea 23:38:04 <Bjarni> Booth{Official_Idiot}: fancy some turnip? 23:38:06 <Booth{Official_Idiot}> black adder just stole them 23:38:21 <Booth{Official_Idiot}> so i will take that as a compliment 23:38:23 <Booth{Official_Idiot}> and not thanks 23:38:47 <Booth{Official_Idiot}> i think i am like rodney from only fools and horses 23:39:15 <Bjarni> I like when Baldrick tried to become a village idiot and failed 23:39:22 <Bjarni> he turned up for the job interview 23:39:34 <Bjarni> the guy who got the job didn't turn up 23:39:42 <Bjarni> XD 23:39:45 <Booth{Official_Idiot}> black adder is great 23:40:21 <Bjarni> but they stopped making it 23:40:31 <Bjarni> I think I will make my own story based on this concept 23:40:39 <Bjarni> it will be called "Black substractor" 23:40:46 *** mode/#openttd [+b *Idiot*!*@*] by SmatZ 23:40:51 <SmatZ> no idiots allowed 23:40:56 <frosch123> :) 23:41:00 <Bjarni> :D 23:42:10 *** Booth{Official_Idiot} [~Booth@82-32-210-243.cable.ubr07.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 23:42:32 <Bjarni> lol 23:42:44 <Bjarni> he didn't realise that he just had to change his nick 23:42:47 <Bjarni> what an idiot 23:42:56 *** booth [~Booth@82-32-210-243.cable.ubr07.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:43:03 <booth> thanks for bannign idiots 23:43:06 <booth> :'( 23:43:19 <Bjarni> booth: you aren't supposed to return 23:43:19 *** booth is now known as Booth 23:43:28 <Booth> why not? 23:43:34 <Bjarni> you didn't realise that you just needed to change nick to get around the ban 23:44:05 <Bjarni> the ban only targets people with "Idiot" in the nick 23:44:11 <Booth> i know 23:44:13 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEed5f.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:44:17 <Booth> thats why i took it out of my name 23:44:24 <Booth> but i liked idiot in my name 23:44:27 <Bjarni> so you should just have changed the nick without disconnecting 23:44:44 <frosch123> Bjarni: he only left the channel, not the server 23:44:46 <Booth> would let me 23:45:01 <Booth> i was on #openttdcoop 23:45:41 *** Booth is now known as Booth{1d1ot} 23:45:46 <Booth{1d1ot}> now i am cool 23:46:13 <glx> Bjarni: nice adder/substractor joke ;) 23:46:32 <Booth{1d1ot}> that was ages ago 23:46:41 <Booth{1d1ot}> befor idiots got baned 23:46:42 <Bjarni> yeah 23:46:54 <Bjarni> now I'm considering the title "Black ALU" 23:47:17 <Booth{1d1ot}> black python 23:47:24 <Booth{1d1ot}> would be a cross between monty python 23:47:27 <Booth{1d1ot}> and black adder 23:47:31 <Booth{1d1ot}> best show ever 23:47:36 *** Booth{1d1ot} was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [l33t have been a kick reason for years] 23:47:37 <SHADOW-XIII> dammit 23:47:46 *** Booth{1d1ot} [~Booth@82-32-210-243.cable.ubr07.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:47:49 <SHADOW-XIII> OTTD PSP cannot use more than 4 grf files :/ 23:48:03 <glx> limited file handlers yes 23:48:08 <Bjarni> Booth{1d1ot}: LOL at black python 23:48:10 <Ammler> frosch, there is a command in #openttdcoop, which kicks you to #openttd 23:48:19 <SHADOW-XIII> glx : any chance to fix it ? 23:48:20 <glx> SHADOW-XIII: put them in a tar 23:48:23 <frosch123> there is? :) 23:48:24 <Booth{1d1ot}> why did you kcik me again :'( 23:48:28 <Booth{1d1ot}> i dont like it in here 23:48:34 <Bjarni> :s 23:48:36 <Ammler> !realism 23:48:45 <Booth{1d1ot}> [00:47] *** you were kicked from #openttd by Bjarni (l33t have been a kick reason for years) 23:48:46 <Bjarni> Booth{1d1ot}: <-- Bjarni has kicked Booth{1d1ot} from #openttd (l33t have been a kick reason for years) 23:48:50 <SHADOW-XIII> glx: and tar to put in ? content_download ? 23:48:58 <Booth{1d1ot}> that isnt leet 23:49:04 <Bjarni> Booth{1d1ot}: which part of the kick message didn't you understand? 23:49:07 <glx> or data 23:49:07 *** Booth{1d1ot} is now known as Booth 23:49:28 <Bjarni> I consider using numbers instead of text as l33t and it's silly 23:49:48 <SHADOW-XIII> glx: how .tar must look like inside ? any folder structre ? or can contain just a single file inside ? 23:50:23 <glx> just put all the grfs you want in a tar 23:50:26 <frosch123> depends on what you intend to put in the tar 23:50:41 <glx> and while at it put original files in anoter tar too 23:50:51 <SHADOW-XIII> I see 23:50:52 <Bjarni> I want to add rocks to tar and get pavement :p 23:50:56 * SHADOW-XIII downloading tar 23:50:57 <glx> (1 handle instead 6) 23:50:58 <Booth> i want underground tunnels 23:51:10 <Booth> with underground stations 23:51:14 <Booth> and under water tunnels 23:51:18 <Booth> linke in real life 23:51:51 <Bjarni> Booth: and how will you operate steam under such conditions? 23:51:52 <glx> <frosch123> depends on what you intend to put in the tar <-- true, for AIs it's different 23:52:08 <Booth> like they did in london 23:52:16 <Bjarni> good point 23:52:16 <Booth> with long exhaust fans 23:52:28 <frosch123> also for 32bpp 23:52:35 <Bjarni> but that will not work if you are under water 23:53:00 <Booth> well steam train went through the servern tunnel at bristol 23:53:04 <glx> indeed, but we were talking about newgrfs :) 23:53:08 <Booth> i will do it how they did it there 23:53:34 <Booth> also i have to say this quietable is not a word 23:53:41 <Booth> and thus should not be in the topic 23:53:43 <Bjarni> Booth: so you fully claim that it's possible to use steam in long tunnels? 23:53:51 <Booth> i do 23:53:56 <Bjarni> me too 23:53:59 <Booth> i was done in the alps 23:54:04 <Booth> and done in england 23:54:09 <Bjarni> http://www.student.dtu.dk/~s991088/signal.JPEG <-- took that picture a few years ago 23:54:21 <Bjarni> a bit dark, but you can make out the boiler 23:54:22 <Booth> back to my rant about quietable 23:54:37 <Booth> thats cool 23:54:48 <Booth> the person that put that in the topic is an idiot 23:54:58 <Booth> and if it is the same idiot that type no idiots 23:55:08 <Booth> then he cant go in his on channel 23:55:31 <Bjarni> <Booth> thats cool <-- why do people always say that about steam locomotives. It shows complete lack of understanding of the whole principle :x 23:55:31 <Booth> japan also had steam in long tunnels 23:55:35 *** Sol2 [ZISN2.9@222.110.103.225] has joined #openttd 23:55:48 <Booth> ok thats hot? 23:56:00 <Bjarni> I think this particular tunnel is around 2,8 km 23:56:00 <Booth> i love steam 23:56:03 <SmatZ> haha @ Bjarni 23:56:12 <Booth> and i dont know how they work 23:56:32 <Bjarni> it's not that tricky 23:56:40 <Bjarni> to take some coal and add it to some flames 23:56:45 <Bjarni> the flames will then get hot 23:56:46 <Booth> i know they have a big and a small piston 23:56:49 <Bjarni> like 1200?C 23:57:01 <Bjarni> that heat will turn water into steam 23:57:18 <Bjarni> the steam will then push a piston and the piston will make the wheels turn 23:57:54 <Bjarni> <Booth> i know they have a big and a small piston <-- that's compound steam engines. Most are simple expansion ones though 23:58:05 <Booth> ok 23:58:26 <Bjarni> compound cylinders works on the exhaust steam from high pressure cylinders 23:58:35 <Bjarni> getting more energy out of the steam 23:58:47 <Bjarni> but it's more complex machinery 23:58:56 <Booth> i also dont like MU trains 23:59:04 <Booth> such as DMU's and EMU's 23:59:16 <Booth> they take the great ness of the loco away 23:59:18 <SmatZ> or SMU :) 23:59:19 <Bjarni> they are the trains of the future though 23:59:39 <Booth> SMU? Steam multiple unit 23:59:54 <Bjarni> Denmark used a SMU once