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00:00:40 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81BE5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Icebears are cute. Please, take care of them!] 00:02:23 <z-MaTRiX> (L) hellokitty ? 00:09:56 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81BE5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 00:09:59 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 00:12:48 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 00:12:48 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:12:51 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 00:13:50 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-24-144-96.winn.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 00:16:51 *** zodttd [~me@user-142gtg7.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 00:27:39 <Eddi|zuHause> "L"? 00:29:32 <glx> msn emoticon 00:29:40 <SmatZ> ah 00:30:06 <SmatZ> what does that depict/ 00:30:07 <SmatZ> ? 00:30:26 <glx> a heart 00:30:41 <SmatZ> awww :) 00:31:19 <SmatZ> you can use MSN client to connect to IRC? 00:31:29 <SmatZ> or you just have to remember what (L) is :) 00:31:45 <Eddi|zuHause> i hate such smilies 00:31:58 <glx> I don't use them 00:32:06 <Eddi|zuHause> one time i wrote (C) and it got replaced by a coffee mug 00:32:08 <SmatZ> ICQ at least uses *KISSING* *KISSED* *IN LOVE* and such ;) 00:32:15 <SmatZ> so you know what it means :) 00:32:21 <SmatZ> hehehe 00:32:22 <glx> (B) is nice 00:32:55 <Eddi|zuHause> i was using Kopete 00:33:08 <Eddi|zuHause> (connecting to ICQ) 00:33:46 <SmatZ> I am using pidgin (gaim) (in KDE ;) 00:37:35 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:38:55 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:39:11 <PeterT> is there a way to chat while joining a multiplayer game? 00:39:40 <glx> no 00:39:44 <PeterT> ok 00:39:46 <PeterT> thanks 00:39:56 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 00:39:58 <glx> it used to work, but some people abused it to spam 00:40:50 *** mizipzor [mizipzor@titan.blinkenshell.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:44:08 <SmatZ> ;) 00:44:21 <SmatZ> I was really surprised anyone misuses OTTD for spam 00:44:22 *** reldred [~reldred@wirele5.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #openttd 00:44:57 <glx> at least it was not commercial spam 00:45:11 <glx> just ottd server advertising 00:45:15 <SmatZ> :) 00:45:27 <SmatZ> good there aren't people "killing" servers 00:45:49 <SmatZ> though... I several times wanted to "kill" servers so their admins upgrade to current version ;) 00:46:03 <glx> yeah we could do that :) 00:46:19 <SmatZ> the "SIGSEGV them" way, not "grep at masterserver" way ;) 00:46:22 <glx> but it becomes harder 00:48:38 <SmatZ> the more fun :) 00:49:27 <SmatZ> ~23 servers 0.6.3, 6 servers older... 00:49:31 *** reldred [~reldred@wirele5.lnk.telstra.net] has left #openttd [] 00:49:37 *** reldred [~reldred@wirele5.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #openttd 00:50:22 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485D74C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:50:52 <SmatZ> hmm which one of 0.5.3 killers should I choose... 00:52:33 <glx> killing 0.5.x is too easy ;) 00:53:02 <glx> IIRC there was some asserts in commands 00:53:29 <SmatZ> even without asserts :) 00:54:16 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DBD4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:01:07 <Zantor> hey all 01:01:10 <Zantor> guess what 01:01:53 *** Zantor [46ed808a@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 01:02:56 <SmatZ> no! 01:06:35 *** ctibor [~ctibor@gprs9.vodafone.cz] has joined #openttd 01:06:49 *** ctibor [~ctibor@gprs9.vodafone.cz] has quit [] 01:35:50 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 01:35:50 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:35:53 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 01:40:45 <kkb1101> often whenever play with a 'blue' company on a network game, it's confusing to distinguish between 'the sea' and 'the blue' in map. How about putting small white dots in the sea? 01:44:48 <welshdragon> kkb1101, or just use another colour for boats 01:47:56 <kkb1101> I just took an example screenshot http://dancingwhale.linuxstudy.pe.kr/ttdblue.png 01:50:48 <welshdragon> that's distinguishable 01:51:05 <welshdragon> the sea has waves anyway 01:51:19 <kkb1101> in the left-right cornor small map?? 01:51:27 <kkb1101> upper-left 01:52:20 <welshdragon> that's because it is the wromg overlay 01:52:46 <welshdragon> you need the little train 01:53:13 <kkb1101> you mean the buttons for different view at the bottom? 01:53:32 <welshdragon> yes 01:54:17 <kkb1101> but it's not something 'wrong' and.. actually that is my favorite view 01:54:34 <kkb1101> because I usually join more a server more than 5 people 01:54:40 <welshdragon> yes 01:55:00 <welshdragon> but that view isn't to show vehicles, aircraft or ships 01:55:15 <kkb1101> I know 01:56:16 <kkb1101> the point here is 'the blue company color is undistinguishable with water when use company-color view' 01:57:08 <kkb1101> ok nevermind, nobody needs change, I can make patch myself and use myslef 02:02:14 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:14:41 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 02:24:56 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:55c1:bf34:329e:4059] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:57:45 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 02:57:45 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:57:49 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 03:04:33 *** Daann [~i.am@ip4da20690.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:04:42 *** reldred1 [~reldred@202-6-138-234.static.adam.com.au] has joined #openttd 03:08:40 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:09:55 *** reldred [~reldred@wirele5.lnk.telstra.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:12:30 *** KenjiE20|LT 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07:47:28 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 07:49:05 *** prakti [~myself@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 08:04:11 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEb074.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 08:06:07 <planetmaker> I've got an nfo problem: how can I tell grfcodec to interpret a file with the correct character encoding, e.g. Vag?o vs Vag??o 08:06:15 <planetmaker> I'm on linux for this purpose 08:17:43 <petern> grfcodec doesn't care about encoding 08:17:44 <petern> so 08:17:47 <petern> use utf-8 08:17:56 <petern> because openttd wants it 08:17:59 <planetmaker> yes, that's what I try... 08:18:10 <petern> also put the thorn in, as the spec says 08:18:24 <planetmaker> so... I guess, then my question is: how do convert the file from whatever encoding to utf-8 08:18:42 <planetmaker> like vi and using :set enc=utf-8 displays it nicely. 08:19:04 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=111175 <-- basically I'm concerned about that file 08:19:46 <petern> you've not put the thorn in 08:20:07 <petern> also, why the big space? 08:20:12 <planetmaker> uhm? thorn? 08:20:24 <petern> 09:18 <@petern> also put the thorn in, as the spec says 08:21:09 <petern> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=StringCodes 08:22:36 <planetmaker> ah, Thanks. That's what I was missing. 08:22:46 * planetmaker goes trying to add that 08:26:37 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 08:28:47 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEb074.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:32:28 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 08:36:56 <planetmaker> nice. That works almost for Portuguese. 08:38:12 <planetmaker> There's one character, though, which obviously is still interpreted differently than intended: the enumeration symbol 1?G 08:38:45 <planetmaker> (the one in the middle, corresponding to st, nd, rd, th in English, list 1st, 2nd, 3rd) 08:38:46 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@i44172.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:40:06 <planetmaker> anyone an idea how that is called? 08:40:17 <petern> ordinal 08:40:22 <petern> what happens to it? 08:40:25 <planetmaker> knowing the name, I could possibly define a custom character. 08:40:28 <petern> maybe there's just no character... 08:40:38 <petern> tried with a font? heh 08:40:50 <planetmaker> it gets converted into the downward arrow as seen for windows in the upper right corner 08:41:00 <petern> that's wrong 08:41:03 <planetmaker> yes 08:41:47 <petern> no gui characters overlap standard characters 08:42:01 <planetmaker> well. actually the arrow which OpenTTD uses for its scroll bars 08:42:13 <planetmaker> but yeah 08:42:29 <petern> or at least, shouldn't do, heh 08:42:54 <petern> ,...{ 0x00AA, CLRA }, // Feminine ordinal indicator / Down arrow 08:43:10 <planetmaker> uh? 08:43:18 <planetmaker> so... they DO overlap? 08:43:22 <petern> CLRA means it is cleared from the available characters 08:43:31 <planetmaker> meh... :S 08:43:49 <petern> so i have no idea how you're getting it :p 08:44:13 <petern> ,...,...,...case 0xAA: d += Utf8Encode(d, SCC_DOWNARROW); break; 08:44:17 <petern> oic 08:44:34 <petern> hmm 08:46:36 <planetmaker> hm... which source file is that found in? 08:48:00 <petern> newgrf_text.cpp 08:49:04 <petern> hmm, no, that's wrong 08:49:52 <petern> planetmaker, congrats, you found a bug 08:49:59 *** Splex [~splex@c-24-245-55-70.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:50:11 <planetmaker> he... not sure whether I shall be happy or sad :P 08:50:14 <petern> r11622 08:50:23 <petern> -Codechange: support the unicode version of the 'control' characters. 08:50:27 <planetmaker> shall I make a report or do you want to work on it now? 08:50:28 <petern> ^ wron 08:50:48 <petern> but rubidium is not here :S 08:50:54 <petern> @seen rubidium 08:50:54 <DorpsGek> petern: rubidium was last seen in #openttd 1 week, 2 days, 13 hours, 5 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <Rubidium> TrueBrain: you shouldn't count your age with your fingers! ;) 08:51:19 *** Cybert1nus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:51:23 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:51:39 <planetmaker> well... he's in #openttd.noai 08:51:41 <petern> lol, dec 2007 08:53:10 <petern> well, you can ask him, i'm not chasing devs who disappear 08:54:07 *** Cybert1nus is now known as Cybertinus 08:55:31 *** thingwath [~thingwath@wired-66.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: It's all over.] 08:55:37 <planetmaker> ok, I'll make a simple bug report then. 08:55:54 <planetmaker> thank you a lot for checking right here now :) 08:56:25 *** zand [~xand@kronos.xand.co.uk] has quit [Server closed connection] 08:56:37 *** xand [~xand@kronos.xand.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:00:26 *** ctibor [~ctibor@12-23-80-78.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 09:03:59 <planetmaker> bug report added. I hope you don't mind me pasting our recent chat in there, petern 09:04:27 <petern> hm 09:04:29 <petern> i don't see it 09:04:53 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:04:55 <planetmaker> hm... yes. It says still waiting for bugs.openttd.org. I guess it will apear soon 09:04:57 <planetmaker> *appear 09:05:04 <petern> should be instant 09:05:23 <petern> odd 09:05:35 <planetmaker> well. I attached the newgrf. It's not tiny :P 09:05:56 <planetmaker> and the corresponding nfo files. 09:06:10 <petern> ah 09:06:18 <planetmaker> the normal page is accessible here instantly, too 09:08:13 <planetmaker> hm... it shouln't take *that* long. It's only 1.3MB... 09:08:42 <De_Ghosty> u KILLED IT 09:09:33 <planetmaker> now. uploaded at 3rd try 09:11:01 <petern> :D 09:11:31 <petern> if you read the wiki spec, it states that the unencoded form should translate to the special chars, and the encoded form should be used as is 09:11:37 <petern> which is what happened pre r11622 09:14:14 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-24-144-96.winn.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 09:15:22 <planetmaker> we have a nice word for that in German: verschlimmbessern. Somewhat translatable to "to wrong-improve" 09:15:30 <planetmaker> or "worse-improve" 09:15:40 <planetmaker> :P 09:15:43 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:16:36 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 09:17:46 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.19.33.7] has joined #openttd 09:20:21 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.202.26] has joined #openttd 09:26:31 *** snorre [~snorre@cF6FC00C3.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 09:26:42 <eekee> oh yay, non-purple waypoints. I only just noticed 09:28:40 <eekee> now I wish they didn't have white text. They're obscuring my signs and lookign unnecessarily different to the stations I've have to use for multi-track waypoint things 09:29:47 <SmatZ> hehe 09:29:49 <Ammler> hehe, belongs to pm's category "verschlimmbessern" ;-) 09:29:54 <SmatZ> hehe 09:30:02 <SmatZ> what colour would be better? 09:30:11 <SmatZ> or just use black too when zoomed out? 09:30:13 <Ammler> black? 09:30:21 <Ammler> like station signs 09:30:30 <eekee> black like the stations would be better for me 09:30:55 <SmatZ> and signs :) 09:30:57 <eekee> and when zoomed in too, I have lots of waypoints in places 09:31:21 <eekee> signs are white 09:31:36 <SmatZ> really? 09:31:43 *** Cybert1nus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:31:51 <eekee> taking a sceenshot 09:31:57 <planetmaker> they are, if you have background transparency switched on for them. 09:32:10 <planetmaker> then they only have white text. 09:32:24 <planetmaker> (my default setting) 09:32:34 <Ammler> use the canada station set, then you have stations looking like waypoints 09:32:39 <SmatZ> ah 09:32:44 <eekee> ack XD 09:32:51 <eekee> oh I could use it.. yeah 09:34:33 <eekee> http://eekee.org.uk/tmp/2050 Transport Co., 17th Mar 2357.png 09:34:48 <eekee> can anyone spot the "Bradnor North" sign? 09:35:04 <SmatZ> 404 09:35:06 <SmatZ> ah... 09:35:23 <SmatZ> I see 09:35:27 <SmatZ> it's white 09:35:27 <eekee> spaces. blame firefox's tidy url bar lol 09:35:34 <SmatZ> but becomes black after zooming 09:35:35 <SmatZ> out 09:35:40 <SmatZ> that's what I was talking about :) 09:36:01 <eekee> yeah but look at all those white waypoints too. The sign doesn't exxactly stand out 09:36:45 <eekee> and the waypoints are hard to read, which is ok if there were only 1 or 2 but not when they're scattered around like grains of pepper 09:38:05 <eekee> there's probably no 'right' solution though 09:38:36 <eekee> rather than waypoints I'd like a setting to make 1-square-long stations default to non-stop via 09:38:58 <eekee> and some means of making sure forgotten trains don't stop there 09:39:42 <SmatZ> use non-stop by default 09:40:13 <SmatZ> it's generally useful 09:40:34 <SmatZ> there are few exceptions where you don't want to use non-stop 09:40:51 <eekee> I do, but I've got a couple of old saves I still play 09:41:51 <eekee> oh there's the Bradnor West sign I forgot was there lol. This is one of my old games 09:42:01 <SmatZ> if you enable "TTDP-compatible nonstop" in those savegames, all orders will be converted to non-stop when opened in new OTTD version 09:42:04 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.184.65] has joined #openttd 09:42:19 <eekee> ah cheers 09:42:24 *** oskari89 [oskari89@88.193.124.243] has quit [] 09:43:21 <eekee> wait where is that option? I haven't seen it for ages. 09:43:39 <eekee> I see "new orders are non-stop by default" 09:44:32 <Ammler> that is the new name for 09:44:48 <Ammler> but on the games you have to change the setting, it is called something with TTDP 09:45:17 <eekee> gotcha 09:47:24 <SmatZ> [11:42:04] <SmatZ> if you enable "TTDP-compatible nonstop" in those savegames, all orders will be converted to non-stop when opened in new OTTD version <=== nah 09:47:34 <SmatZ> only those "non-stop" orders of course :-/ 09:48:19 <SmatZ> TTDP-compatible = "go via" ... normal = "non-stop" 09:48:25 <SmatZ> so it isn't useful for you at all 09:48:31 <SmatZ> sorry 09:48:34 <eekee> ok :) 09:59:49 *** Cybert1nus is now known as Cybertinus 10:24:23 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet538.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 10:31:35 * petern ponders just reverting r11622 10:31:49 <petern> i don't know what it was intended to solve, though 10:35:39 <eekee> very odd summary 10:37:25 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 10:38:33 <kkb1101> does anybody play openTTD at this resolution? lol http://dancingwhale.linuxstudy.pe.kr/ttdblue.png 10:39:17 <petern> what is "lol" about that? 10:39:39 <petern> apart from the massively wide window border 10:39:50 <kkb1101> can you guess the actual size of that monitor? it's 15" 10:40:07 <petern> well, no, that information is there not there 10:40:49 <eekee> holy camel 10:41:03 <eekee> excuse me :) 10:42:32 <eekee> I kinda believe in high resolutions because I feel text antialiasing is wasteful and annoyingly complex, but I would have thought 2048x1536 was about right for a 21" 4:3 10:42:47 <dih> i did not know a 15" screen would give you 2048 pixels across natively 10:43:06 <kkb1101> it's my laptop. IAQX10N panel 10:43:17 * eekee wants one of htose now :D 10:43:19 <eekee> those 10:44:03 <dih> why? 10:44:16 <dih> why on earth would you squeeze that info on to 15"? 10:44:59 <kkb1101> major reason is... for more lines... good for coding... 10:45:07 <dih> eh... no 10:45:14 <dih> because you can hardly see the pixels 10:45:31 <dih> things get a bit too small (as soon as you get a bit older you'll understand that part) ^^ 10:45:35 <kkb1101> at first few days, yes it was hard 10:45:39 <dih> then i'd rather buy something bigger with the same res 10:45:46 <eekee> lol 10:45:50 <dih> + it is not good for your eyes 10:46:20 <kkb1101> maybe.. I don't know but so far... I think I'm fine :D 10:46:23 <eekee> if everything is scaled up for it it could be beautifly smooth 10:46:49 <dih> i'd still spread the data over a larger area 10:47:06 <kkb1101> yes that works good too. I tried few times.. the edges of texts become so smooth 10:47:14 <dih> i like sitting a bit further away from my screen, rather than using the touch screen with my nose ^^ 10:47:29 <kkb1101> lol 10:47:32 <eekee> ya, I have a 640x480 screen on a PDA (4") and some people insist that 80-column text is reasonable on it. It's not, at all 10:47:33 <dih> click 10:47:37 <dih> oops - too close again 10:47:51 <eekee> XD 10:48:10 <eekee> there is that too, OTTD on that thing is very very fiddly :) 10:48:18 <dih> :-P 10:48:22 <dih> anything would be 10:48:37 <eekee> not anything, stuff designed for it has big buttons 10:49:00 <dih> buttons are usually designed in pixel sizes 10:49:08 <dih> so they'd be smaller too 10:49:16 <dih> and my nose aint that small either 10:49:19 <dih> :-D 10:49:32 <eekee> no not in Gtk+, not, I imagine, Qt or any other modern design 10:49:37 <eekee> rofl 10:49:51 <dih> hehe - you start using the zoom function 10:49:53 <dih> great! 10:49:59 <kkb1101> one more pic http://dancingwhale.linuxstudy.pe.kr/qxga2.jpg 10:50:04 <dih> what a reason to spend 500$ on that thing 10:50:30 <dih> see - i told you, you sit way to close to that thing :-P 10:50:41 <kkb1101> lol 10:50:55 <dih> hihi 10:51:09 <eekee> kkb1101: what's the laptop? 10:51:19 <kkb1101> MSI 1651 10:51:30 <kkb1101> but this comes with 1280x800 originally 10:51:45 <eekee> ah 10:51:47 <kkb1101> so I replaced. 10:51:57 <kkb1101> bought the panel from ebay 10:52:01 <eekee> I see :) 10:52:02 <dih> pffft ^^ 10:52:17 <eekee> I'd do that just for the smoother everything 10:52:23 <petern> a 22" 1680x1050 is about right for my eyes 10:52:33 <eekee> if I had any money. I'm skint right now :( 10:52:34 <petern> any higher res and i'd want a larger screen 10:52:56 <dih> aye 10:53:07 <eekee> I've got 20" 1680x1050 & don't like coz it's grainy lol 10:53:15 <dih> who needs anything better than 24x80 :-D 10:53:23 <dih> chars that is :-P 10:53:48 <eekee> rofl 10:53:50 <petern> yeah, sometimes i run a single full screen terminal with large fonts 10:53:52 <petern> nice & smooth 10:53:56 <eekee> yeah 10:54:13 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 10:54:22 <petern> not 80x24, cos that doesn't work on a wide screen, heh 10:54:40 <dih> :-D 10:55:12 <dih> you could rotate your screen by 90 degrees 10:55:25 <eekee> oh ya it gets a bit stretched, reminds me of the 40x24 8-bit screens 10:55:53 <eekee> I use a 22-pixel-high font on my PDA at 230dpi. nice & smooth 10:55:58 <petern> um, yeah 10:55:59 <insulfrog> bbl 10:56:00 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.19.33.7] has left #openttd [] 10:56:12 <kkb1101> that's higher than mine 10:56:24 * petern remembers MODE 2 on a BBC B 10:56:51 <eekee> I remember BBC model Bs but didn't get to use them much 10:56:54 <petern> 20 characters wide, 32 high i think 10:57:03 <eekee> ou ouch! :D 10:57:15 <petern> 160x256 10:57:23 <dih> \o/ 10:57:35 <dih> /o/ \o\ 10:57:38 <petern> or MODE 1, 320x256, 40x32 10:57:45 <petern> or MODE 0, 640x256, 80x32 10:58:04 <eekee> high colour for the machine? The 8-bit ataris had modes with pixels about 8 times as wide as they were high 10:58:28 <petern> however, the output was PAL timing, so the dot pitch was pretty bad 10:58:57 <petern> 2 colours in MODE 0, 4 colours in MODE 1 and 16 colours in MODE 2 (from a palette of 8) 10:59:10 <eekee> 16 from a pallete of 8 hehe 10:59:25 <petern> yeah, the upper 8 were flashing opposite colours 10:59:31 <eekee> Atari had a pallete of 256 so nyea hehe 10:59:36 <petern> opposite within the palette 10:59:37 <eekee> oh the flashing yeah 10:59:42 <petern> which was nice 10:59:51 <petern> because colour 9 would be red/cyan 10:59:56 <petern> and colour 14 would be cyan/red 11:00:04 <eekee> The one time I got to play with that I chose magenta & green XD; 11:00:34 <petern> the other combos where yellow/blue and black/white 11:00:54 <petern> you could speed up the flashing to produce various shades of not-quite-grey 11:01:15 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.22.187.32] has joined #openttd 11:01:17 <petern> 25 Hz cycle though, so still flashed a bit 11:01:19 <eekee> ah interestin 11:01:19 <eekee> g 11:01:27 <eekee> you've actually got me missing school O.o 11:01:32 <petern> pal timings, so it was all interlaced 11:02:06 <petern> the text mode was alright though 11:02:22 <eekee> yeah... 11:02:37 <petern> dedicated teletext chip, so used interlacing properly 11:03:10 <eekee> ah now 11:03:53 <eekee> speaking of interlacing I once had a VGA monitor I had to use interlacing on to get it to display 1024x768 11:04:11 <eekee> Had to put textured backgrounds everywhere to hide the flicker 11:07:20 <eekee> I've had a few monitor adventures. There was a big fixed-resolution monitor, you could get windows drivers for it but linux had no concept of any of that so I had to construct modelines by hand without knowing anything about the monitor 11:09:13 <eekee> I could go on forever about monitors & user interfaces >_> 11:12:53 <eekee> I get on tolerably ok with 'normal' user interfaces but could be better. The menu bar for instance grates, especially when immediately adjacent to a text field 11:22:11 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEb074.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 11:34:43 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:8029:db10:fab3:ff1b] has joined #openttd 11:34:46 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 11:39:10 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.13] has quit [Server closed connection] 11:39:22 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.13] has joined #openttd 11:46:39 <petern> textured backgrounds would make the flicker worse 11:46:43 <petern> you'd want a solid background 11:48:15 <eekee> actually no. Textured bg makes flicker worse on non-interlaced, but better on interlaced 11:50:33 <SmatZ> interesting 11:50:40 <eekee> yeah... 11:50:55 <petern> must depend on the texture 11:51:04 <petern> windows 3.1's marble texture was evil on interlaced 11:51:05 <eekee> natural-ish 11:51:08 <eekee> ah 11:51:15 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:51:29 <petern> with a solid background there should be no flickering 11:51:33 <petern> as it's the same colour 11:51:36 <eekee> I used a sand-ish bg 11:52:13 <eekee> well monitors will flicker with enough ambient light, and that particular monitor was rather dim 11:52:40 <eekee> in fact it got dimmer, I got less than a years use out of that one 11:53:13 <petern> dirty screen ;p 11:53:19 <eekee> rofl :p 11:53:59 <eekee> I used to get old monitors at ?14 each, got at least a year out of most of them. One of them was a Viglen, exceptional thing while it lasted 11:55:49 <eekee> very sharp, very bright, but it burnt a vertical strip where it would flash when switched off and solder joints kept breaking around the back of the tube 11:58:26 <petern> hehe 11:58:55 <petern> i once managed to get a fixed sync vga monitor to scan in a single line 11:58:58 <petern> that was an 'oops' 11:59:06 <petern> it was okay, cos i turned it off straight away 11:59:11 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet538.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:59:34 <eekee> ah XD 12:00:15 <eekee> the fixed sync one I had would get narrower in the vertical if I tried to add more lines. It was 1024 lines @ 50Hz 12:01:29 <eekee> how did you do it? 12:01:54 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeja128.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 12:03:04 <petern> can't remember 12:03:09 <eekee> oke 12:03:49 <eekee> not playing with modelines on a linux box by any chance? (or bsd or minix/386 I guess) 12:04:48 <petern> no 12:05:04 <petern> it was a shit monitor 12:05:12 <eekee> ah ok 12:05:14 <petern> so it might've been any standard svga mode... 12:05:21 <petern> 12" fixed sync vga 12:05:36 <petern> supported all the usual modes up to 640x480 12:05:45 <eekee> ahh 12:05:55 <petern> but that was okay, because the graphics card only did that, too 12:06:07 <eekee> I had one of those but I think it would just roll 12:06:11 <eekee> heh 12:06:15 <petern> this is back when 800x600 was special 12:06:33 <petern> card was an, oak oti-037, an isa beast with 256KB 12:06:36 <glx> hey a non pnp screen 12:06:45 <petern> the monitor had a switch on the back to select colour, green, or 'amber' 12:06:57 <petern> (amber was blue removed, so it still produced red & green colours, heh) 12:07:09 <eekee> rofl 12:07:47 <petern> has anyone with clue looked at this 'string system upgrade' thread? 12:07:52 <petern> cos it looks pointless to me 12:08:02 <eekee> I wired up a VGA to an Atari ST & got a green-screen once. 'hi-rez' from the ST 12:08:09 <glx> petern: where? 12:08:17 <petern> dev forum 12:12:40 <glx> weird syntax highlighting in code balise 12:15:16 <z-MaTRiX> hi 12:16:34 <eekee> hi 12:17:22 *** Zahl [~Zahl@78.52.57.171] has joined #openttd 12:20:00 <glx> I don't see how his system is better then our 12:20:06 <glx> *tahn 12:20:08 <glx> *than 12:22:06 <petern> quite 12:33:23 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@173-19-228-175.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:40:58 *** ctibor [~ctibor@12-23-80-78.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:41:24 <welshdragon> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=43646 < woo! a bug! 12:43:20 <Forked> what am I looking at? :\ 12:43:20 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 12:44:19 <SmatZ> a bit strange way how to say others you have a girlfriend... 12:44:36 <Forked> oh at the bottom there 12:45:24 <glx> welshdragon: more details may help 12:45:30 <SmatZ> reminds me of OTTD riddles at ottd.info 12:45:37 <welshdragon> give me a minute 12:45:42 <SmatZ> I was staring in them for hours to find the solution too... 12:47:12 <welshdragon> what it is: the RV that is on the disconnected bit of road just goes round in a square 12:47:21 <petern> what is it supposed to do? 12:47:31 <petern> it can't get anywhere... 12:47:38 <welshdragon> it cannot find a depot 12:47:46 <petern> obviously not 12:47:59 <welshdragon> sigh 12:48:08 <welshdragon> ;et me grab a savegame 12:48:20 <petern> there is no route to the depot from there 12:48:49 <glx> indeed, it's on a 2 tiles long road 12:48:57 <glx> with no connections 12:49:25 <SmatZ> it's really evident that "vehicle is moving in circles" from that static image :-p 12:49:50 <welshdragon> INCOMING SAVE 12:49:59 <eekee> welshdragon: If I didn't know you had a sight impairment I'd be taking the mick big-time ;D 12:51:39 <welshdragon> ok, there's now a savegame 12:52:13 <Rexxars> lol 12:53:43 <petern> it has no orders 12:54:19 <petern> Passenger Tram Tailer 12:54:21 <petern> *Trailer 12:54:26 <welshdragon> try setting orders 12:54:29 <eekee> "cant insert new order, vehicle can't go to that station" 12:54:37 <glx> someone changed grfs in running game? 12:54:43 <welshdragon> yes 12:54:43 <petern> how do i view the game log? 12:54:52 <petern> ah 12:54:59 <petern> then don't waste our time 12:55:09 <welshdragon> oh 12:55:12 <welshdragon> right 12:55:24 <eekee> it's marked as a passenger tram trailer on my machine 12:55:37 <eekee> lemme try laying tram tracks 12:56:16 <eekee> can't lay them on the tile & it ignores them 12:56:56 <welshdragon> lol 12:57:04 <welshdragon> pt's stuck 12:57:16 <welshdragon> *it's 12:57:52 <glx> <@petern> how do i view the game log? <-- type "gamelog" in the console :) 12:58:36 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:59:18 <petern> yeah, i figured that one out :) 12:59:28 <petern> saw a big list of added grfs 12:59:35 <petern> then i resisted the urge to swear :p 13:00:21 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.202.26] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:00:57 <eekee> hey if the grf code can add multiple vehicles with the same ID, why does adding grfs still cause that sort of problem? 13:01:39 <SmatZ> eekee: enginepool is disabled in that save 13:01:46 <eekee> ahh 13:02:00 <petern> erm 13:02:11 <petern> how do you search for a number in irssi's lastlog? 13:02:28 <petern> /lastlog 10 will just show the last ten lines, instead of searching for 10 13:02:52 <eekee> maybe /lastlog " 10" 13:02:57 * SmatZ doesn't know... maybe /lastlog ? 13:02:57 <eekee> just a guess 13:02:59 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db10dc2.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 13:03:43 <petern> quotes and a space does it, ta 13:03:59 <eekee> yay 13:04:18 <eekee> posibly also /lastlog 5000 10 13:05:17 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.22.187.32] has quit [Ping timeout: 481 seconds] 13:05:26 * petern ponders a pair of M-AUDIO BX5as 13:05:32 <petern> although, they're... quite large 13:05:51 <petern> they don't look large until you see the IEC socket 13:06:53 <eekee> I need a new amp. The old one hisses too much 13:07:37 <eekee> I also need a single tall speaker stand. hrm 13:07:57 <Condac> can someone help me find th wiki page where thay explained how to set the service interval for all my trains 13:08:21 <eekee> oh I know, I can make one out of copper pipe & label it steampunk :} 13:09:32 <eekee> Condac: I never visit the wiki but in-game look in advanced settings under vehicles->servicing 13:09:59 <Condac> eekee there you can only change the default, and that is blank in multiplayer 13:10:08 <Condac> or not black but unediteblee 13:10:11 <petern> you can only change it per-vehicle 13:10:20 <petern> annoying, but that's the way it is :/ 13:10:47 <Condac> i found some fancy consolle command that changed it for everyone yesterday but now i cant find it again 13:10:59 <petern> hmm, BX5a + BX10s 13:11:03 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 13:11:05 <eekee> you know, there are certain circumstances where being able to change settings for all vehicles wwould be awesome 13:11:08 <petern> that mght be a little excessive 13:11:47 <eekee> or even better would be if you could select all your vehicles going to a certain station or waypoint 13:13:39 <eekee> select by order "waypoint stanstow" delete "waypoint stanstow" & goto "waypoint stanstow #5" 13:14:11 <eekee> somink like that 13:15:13 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82735.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Icebears are cute. Please, take care of them!] 13:17:36 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=790145#p790145 <-- people have funny understanding of licenses... 13:18:03 * Belugas "enjoys" the return to the office 13:18:59 <Condac> found it (http://wiki.openttd.org/Vehicle_console_commands) 13:19:24 <planetmaker> hello Belugas 13:19:48 <eekee> hi Belugas 13:21:26 <Belugas> hello boyz 13:23:24 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.21.155.102] has joined #openttd 13:27:48 <glx> Condac: it's not in clean openttd 13:27:48 <fjb> Hm, the running costs of the NARS 2.02 diesel engines are far lower than advertized in the buy menu. 13:27:59 <Condac> glx nope i saw that now 13:28:38 <Condac> is any other easy way to change service on all vehicle? 13:31:25 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 13:33:11 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [] 13:37:35 <planetmaker> Condac, if they're grouped... yes. 13:38:50 <Condac> how? 13:40:43 <fjb> Change it on one vehicle and it changes all in its group. 13:40:50 *** oskari89 [oskari89@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff7cc100-243.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:41:14 <Condac> then im going to start grouping my veheicles 13:41:30 <Belugas> and here we go, another stressful day of certification has started 13:42:10 <Condac> can i create a group of every train that goes to one station? 13:42:20 <Condac> or do i haev to drag them? 13:43:05 <fjb> Oh, sorry they have to share orders, only grouping is not enough. 13:45:35 <Condac> fjb: but does it change on everyone when i change like i normaly do then? 13:46:19 <planetmaker> Sorry, fjb is right. Having shared orders makes things easier. But if it is just a "send to depot" it works with groups, too 13:47:05 <fjb> When vehicles share orders then all vehicles which share the same set of orders change the oders at the same time. You just have to change the oders of one of them. 13:47:13 <Condac> i dont want to "go to depot" i want to change service interval from 150% to the default or anything else than over 90% with is max 13:47:46 <Condac> i changed from day to % interval and it is some bug that made all trains on 150% 13:47:57 <fjb> Service intervall? Is that settable by oders? Don't think so. 13:48:17 <Condac> and they never service then... 13:48:49 <eekee> fjb: root problem is that service intervals can't be set in multiplayer, right Condac? 13:49:10 <Condac> eekee not the default intervals 13:49:40 <Condac> but we restareted the server and ran the savegame through a singelplayer game and changed the setting that way 13:50:01 <Condac> but now every one is set at 150% 13:50:02 <eekee> that's not right, players should be able to set their own intervals 13:50:38 <Condac> but new vehicles get 50% but all old will never go for service 13:50:50 <Condac> and yes the service interval should be induvidual in mp 13:50:52 <eekee> I don't see any way to set it per-train so I think the last half-hour's discussion may have been based on a misunderstanding 13:51:18 <Ammler> I guess, "they" are working on company based settings. ;-) 13:51:48 <eekee> :) 13:52:35 <Ammler> but maybe, I just missunderstood some commits 13:53:00 <Condac> A totaly new question, when grouped some trains that have the same order and layout, how do i change all orders at the same time or is that not posible? 13:54:12 <fjb> Changing orders as I explained above. 13:54:48 <Condac> but it didnt work 13:55:52 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:56:26 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:56:26 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 13:57:18 <fjb> Do the vehicle share their orders? 13:57:49 <Condac> by share if you mean the have the same because i cloned them 13:59:07 <eekee> you have to clone with ctrl held down for them to share orders 13:59:18 <Condac> ooh 13:59:19 <fjb> Cloning with contol key pressed. Showes "End of shared orders" at the end of the orders list. 13:59:32 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-187-113.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:59:39 <Belugas> it's writeen "Shared Orders" somwehere on the orders window 13:59:50 <Condac> can i get them to share without delete and reclone? 14:00:18 <Condac> i found it 14:00:26 <eekee> ok :) 14:00:47 <Condac> damn there is lots of hidden features i havnt learnd yet. i play it like its the original game still 14:01:14 <eekee> aye, it gets crazy but some of them are really good :) 14:02:02 <Ammler> Condac: if you join public server, I would say around 50% sill play it like they did with TTO/TTD 14:02:35 <Ammler> some don't use 1way singnals ;-) 14:02:50 <Condac> I have learned lots of new stuff from watching openttdcoop servers 14:02:54 <Ammler> (that was TTD feature, iirc) 14:03:02 <petern> you learn lots of shit from watching openttdcoop too 14:03:08 <Condac> i used one-way in the old game i remember 14:03:16 <Ammler> Condac: public server != openttdcoop server ;-) 14:03:23 *** goodger [~ben@host86-156-60-33.range86-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: +++ Out Of Cheese Error +++] 14:03:28 <Condac> Ammler: yea i know 14:04:08 <Ammler> [16:03] <petern> you learn lots of shit from watching openttdcoop too <-- for sure :-D 14:05:18 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db10dc2.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: brb. mittagsschlaf] 14:08:53 <Ammler> #openttdcoop members are ready for every competition, btw. ;-) 14:12:53 *** ecke_ [~ecke@pc126-131.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 14:21:25 * fjb suggests a "model railway" competition. :-) 14:21:34 <eekee> :) 14:23:12 <petern> fjb, you mean your model railways don't have extra track to do load balancers and priorities? 14:23:35 <Ammler> unrealstic :P 14:24:10 <eekee> rofl 14:24:44 <fjb> Extra tracks are ok as long as a (hides from Belugas) real railway wouls have put them there. 14:25:50 <Ammler> well, it is a "timetable" simulator ;-) 14:26:22 <Ammler> there is btw a really nice timetable save around in the tt-forums. 14:26:45 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 14:26:55 <Belugas> can't hide from me! 14:27:13 <Belugas> but i'm not stressed, just extremely bored, so you're safe 14:27:15 <fjb> Shit, all the coal mines are closing down, even the serviced ones. 14:27:21 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeja128.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 14:27:30 <fjb> Belugas, are you closing my mines down? 14:27:31 <Ammler> pbi? 14:27:43 <fjb> PBI 14:27:59 <glx> then they are empty 14:28:04 <Belugas> fjb, unless it can be done via the chip n pin system i'm currently testing, no 14:28:12 <eekee> you get that with oil in the default set, ne? 14:28:32 <Ammler> that is something else. 14:28:34 * fjb looks for chips and pins in side his computer. 14:28:43 <eekee> LOL 14:28:48 <glx> it's different, oil wells never increase production 14:29:09 <fjb> Some mines were not empty, but were old and had very low output. 14:31:37 <fjb> Now my steel mill overflows with ore. And the prospected new mines are at the other end of the map. 14:33:46 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:34:02 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 14:45:31 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 14:50:07 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@147.251.215.97] has quit [Quit: Quit] 14:50:13 <planetmaker> <fjb> Now my steel mill overflows with ore. And the prospected new mines are at the other end of the map. <-- good for your profit 14:50:51 <planetmaker> and concerning the ore trains with PBI: for these cases conditional orders were made :) 14:51:20 <planetmaker> if load % > 25 goto depot or something like that 14:51:51 <planetmaker> combined with some timer which releases them again, it might just work 14:56:05 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEb074.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:04:15 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82735.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:04:18 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 15:13:06 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-187-113.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 15:17:33 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:17:59 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:40:04 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@147.251.215.97] has joined #openttd 15:42:56 <fjb> planetmaker: Hm, the timer is the missing part. 15:43:30 <fjb> Or can I put the depot staying time into the timetable? 15:44:26 <planetmaker> fjb, it's feasable by means of pre-signal abuse and another "clock" train with time-tabled schedule 15:44:57 <planetmaker> but trains in a depot will try to leave. You can abuse that the depot has an integrated combo signal 15:45:03 <Condac> what defines if a industry is "serviced well" 15:45:58 <fjb> Anyway, one long distance train holds more cargo than the stockpile limit of the steel mill is. So If have to pile it at a station and a shunting train carries it to the mill. 15:47:04 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 15:47:08 <fjb> Condac: Always a vehicle there that takes the produced cargo awayx. 15:47:30 <Condac> is it posible to get above 85%? 15:47:34 *** ecke_ [~ecke@pc126-131.upce.cz] has quit [Quit: ecke_] 15:47:59 <glx> do you have a statue in the town? 15:48:36 <Condac> glx: are you asking me? 15:49:07 <Condac> what does the statue do?, never built one 15:49:36 <planetmaker> Condac, add 10% to your rating... 15:49:38 <fjb> But why are the running costs in the purchase window different from the running costs after buying the vehicle? A bug in NARS? Strange... 15:49:48 <planetmaker> fjb, probably not. 15:49:59 <planetmaker> running costs may differ between "running" and "stopped" 15:50:52 <fjb> Ah, I have to look at a train that is not in a depot or station or waiting in front of a signal. 15:51:15 <planetmaker> probably yes 15:51:42 <Condac> if i have a train always waiting at the station and picking upp the transported % never get above ~80% 15:52:04 <planetmaker> Condac, station rating != transported % 15:52:32 <planetmaker> hm... or? 15:52:35 <Condac> aaahaa, each station have a rating, never seenn that 15:52:35 <planetmaker> it's too warm here. 15:52:41 <fjb> planetmaker: Thank you, that is it. Far less running costs while stopped. Why didn't I think about that? 15:52:57 <planetmaker> :) fjb because it isn't used in older newgrfs, I think 15:53:22 <fjb> old newgrafs... :-) 15:53:26 <fjb> newgrfs 15:54:27 <planetmaker> doesn't make them necessarily bad, though 15:54:28 <planetmaker> :) 15:55:10 <fjb> They should be called oldgrfs then. :-P 15:55:17 <planetmaker> haha 15:55:27 <planetmaker> never name anything new<something> 15:55:37 <fjb> :-) 15:55:38 <planetmaker> it will be not new most of the time 15:56:32 <fjb> Extension grfs, but that would lead to exgrfs. 15:56:50 <planetmaker> add-on graphics 15:56:55 <planetmaker> agrf 15:57:17 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:59:14 <fjb> So now I'm happy with my trains again. Only my station design could be better. But much water and many rough mountains doesn't leave much room. 16:02:28 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet538.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 16:04:04 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 16:08:37 <fjb> Pikka made the running costs really dynamic, not only running or not running differs. 16:12:17 <Condac> i have found a strange "bug" or feature or what ever you call it. Collecting cargo slower gives higher rating... :S 16:14:30 <fjb> Collecting slower? 16:15:41 <Aali> you get rating for having a vehicle in the station loading cargo 16:15:55 <Aali> whether you actually pick up any cargo or not is irrelevant 16:19:23 <fjb> Starting to service that coal mine made its production go down and down. 16:20:45 *** KingJ [~KingJ@95.154.197.17] has quit [Server closed connection] 16:20:51 *** KingJ-OFT [~KingJ@95.154.197.17] has joined #openttd 16:21:15 *** KingJ-OFT is now known as KingJ 16:21:27 <Condac> hmm i was mistaking, for some reason when the train was to long at the same time the rating was increased out of nowhere 16:23:24 <Condac> but the rating but still its imposible to get near 100% transported. im running a "sandbox" now with two stations with 3 tracks each all having trains collectin all the time 16:23:59 <fjb> I declare 93% as near 100%. :-) 16:24:11 <Condac> i have 71% 16:28:04 *** mode/#openttd [+v DorpsGek] by ChanServ 16:28:07 *** mode/#openttd [+v Belugas] by ChanServ 16:28:08 <Condac> wow, the production is realy increasing on the mine 16:28:47 *** ctibor [~ctibor@12-23-80-78.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 16:30:12 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.193.166] has joined #openttd 16:31:52 *** Zahl [~Zahl@78.52.57.171] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:36:35 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.184.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:36:54 <fjb> Only things which are not dying are power stations. 16:42:01 <Belugas> and banks 16:42:05 <Belugas> and dying stations 16:42:10 <Belugas> buwhahah!!!!! 16:44:55 <fjb> Hm, dying banks would be realistic. 16:45:09 <oskari89> :P 16:49:38 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:51:33 <z-MaTRiX> :) 16:51:34 <z-MaTRiX> hi 16:52:29 <z-MaTRiX> soneone take a look at multiplayer #MG#1Large World ? 16:57:50 *** Zahl [~Zahl@78.52.57.171] has joined #openttd 17:01:55 *** fjb was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [This is abusing a realistic situation of stress!!] 17:03:33 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeja128.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 17:10:10 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 17:11:28 *** ctibor_ [~ctibor@12-23-80-78.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 17:15:11 *** ctibor [~ctibor@12-23-80-78.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:18:10 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D74C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:23:33 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c0ef5.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 17:25:12 <fjb> I have to replace 22 trains by hand now. :-( 17:27:13 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 17:30:59 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: translators * r16362 /trunk/src/lang/ (9 files): (log message trimmed) 17:30:59 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-05-20 17:30:16 17:30:59 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: catalan - 2 fixed by arnaullv (2) 17:30:59 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: czech - 2 fixed by Hadez (2) 17:30:59 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: dutch - 2 fixed by habell (2) 17:31:01 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: finnish - 2 fixed by jpx_ (2) 17:31:01 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: german - 2 fixed by planetmaker (2) 17:36:39 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEb074.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 17:50:03 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:50:04 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-24-144-96.winn.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 17:50:19 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 17:53:27 <eekee> holas 17:54:22 <planetmaker> hello Nite_Owl 17:54:28 <planetmaker> you're early today :) 17:55:12 <Nite_Owl> Hello eekee & planetmaker 17:55:56 <Nite_Owl> yes I am a bit early - I had to get up early to do a favor for a neighbor 17:56:46 <planetmaker> he :) 17:57:29 <Nite_Owl> she needed a spreadsheet put together for a phone list 17:59:37 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:01:11 <Nite_Owl> it is rare for me to be up before noon 18:03:36 <planetmaker> he. The good guy with the computer knowledge :) 18:03:43 <Belugas> but she was in babydoll, so no one can resist 18:04:09 <eekee> oh ah hehe 18:04:43 <Nite_Owl> She is far too old for that 18:04:59 *** davis` [~iloveme@p5B28F753.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:05:28 <glx> you're the only geek around? 18:06:31 <Nite_Owl> probably not but I do live right next door to her 18:07:28 <Nite_Owl> and I helped her buy the computer 5 years ago. 18:09:49 <Nite_Owl> she is now about 75 years old 18:10:08 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEb074.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:21:34 <eekee> ooh I like the OpenGFX toolbar 18:22:00 <eekee> clearer signals too. 18:24:44 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEb074.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 18:30:38 <eekee> I've just realised I could make vehicle models in opensim (don't need to texture them I think), but the catch would photographing them at the right angles 18:41:00 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:46:30 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:49:16 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:56:13 <eekee> lol there's a simple model for the chimeara: 1/4 of a sphereoid 18:59:28 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> magnet.oftc.net quits: eQualizer, eekee, @orudge, tneo, Condac, octo, sunkan, neli, davis`, luckz, (+19 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 18:59:28 *** Netsplit over, joins: octo 18:59:28 *** mdv [micha@88.159.210.43] has joined #openttd 18:59:33 *** Netsplit over, joins: Zr40, Phoenix_the_II, elmex 18:59:33 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> galapagos.oftc.net quits: lobstah, PierreW, fjb, Progman, yorick, HerzogDeXtEr1, Westie, maristo, weasel, worm, (+12 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 18:59:47 *** Netsplit over, joins: dfox, nablaa, Aali, Sionide, maristo, worm, Progman, TinoDidriksen, frosch123, eQualizer (+7 more) 18:59:47 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.193.166] has joined #openttd 19:00:11 *** Netsplit over, joins: lobstah, FloSoft, Chruker, XeryusTC, Mark, welterde, KenjiE20 19:00:26 *** Netsplit over, joins: fonsinchen 19:00:34 *** Netsplit over, joins: dih 19:00:34 *** weasel [~weasel@anguilla.debian.or.at] has joined #openttd 19:00:43 *** Netsplit over, joins: tokai 19:01:04 *** planetmaker [~pm@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 19:01:27 *** Netsplit over, joins: Andel 19:01:27 *** PierreW [pierre@get-free-money-to-poker-with-at.no-deposit.info] has joined #openttd 19:01:30 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 19:01:30 *** Netsplit over, joins: orudge 19:01:30 *** planetmaker is now known as Guest29 19:01:39 *** Netsplit over, joins: tneo 19:01:44 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 19:01:47 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 19:02:25 *** Guest29 is now known as planetmaker 19:03:08 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D74C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:03:09 <z-MaTRiX> hei 19:03:55 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 19:04:16 <_ln> english only 19:04:23 *** Markk [~markk@shell.etttretresju.net] has joined #openttd 19:04:24 *** mizipzor [mizipzor@titan.blinkenshell.org] has joined #openttd 19:04:24 *** eekee [~ethan@cpc3-lanc4-0-0-cust273.brig.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 19:04:25 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has joined #openttd 19:04:26 <Sacro> por quoi? 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19:36:16 <De_Ghosty> :o 19:37:10 <planetmaker> PeterT: @seen booth 19:37:19 <eekee> nah I just realised I've got so much experience of building in second life & opensim and I've always wanted to contribute to opengfx or otherwise make grfs & I just thought to put the 2 together 19:39:02 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 19:40:15 *** Splex [~splex@c-24-245-55-70.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:54:52 *** ctibor_ [~ctibor@12-23-80-78.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:57:08 <eekee> another idea. prim cutting makes noticable divisions though http://eekee.org.uk/openttd/maglevs-in-opensim_003.png 19:57:49 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 19:58:37 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 20:04:32 <yorick> actually more clients than servers online :D 20:04:43 <eekee> hehe 20:04:47 <SpComb> hard to believe 20:07:38 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:10:26 <Belugas> hu?? 20:10:35 <Belugas> there are people playing the game??? 20:10:57 <eekee> rofl 20:11:18 *** Splex [~splex@c-24-245-55-70.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:13:40 <eekee> do ttd vehicles have 4 sprites or 8for the different directions? 20:14:28 <yorick> 4 for the symetric vehicles 20:14:32 <yorick> and 8 for the others 20:14:45 <eekee> ah ty 20:21:46 <petern> Belugas at home? 20:21:57 <petern> oh, 21:21 20:22:02 <petern> must be wishful thinking :s 20:22:24 <Belugas> indeed :( 20:22:41 <Belugas> still wrestling with my certif 20:24:22 <Belugas> freaking time zones 20:24:53 *** colde [colde@server.lokedupont.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:27:35 <TinoDidriksen> UTC ftw. 20:27:38 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FFC1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:28:54 <Belugas> tinodrunk 20:29:52 <TinoDidriksen> Pfft...I don't drink. Alcohol tastes awful. 20:30:55 <Belugas> petern and i are on two different time zones, 5 hours apart 20:30:58 <Belugas> sadly 20:31:10 <glx> 6 from here ;) 20:31:11 <Prof_Frink> TinoDidriksen: That's why you put it in beer. 20:32:15 *** colde [colde@server.lokedupont.info] has joined #openttd 20:32:33 *** davis` [~iloveme@p5B28F753.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:33:23 <TinoDidriksen> I don't like beer either...except for one or two obscure brands that I can't find again. Tasted like it had no alcohol, but was 12ppv stuff. 20:33:45 <Belugas> true, glx, true. But when it's time to play online, jamming that is, 2:00 am is not as 3:00 am... although in your case it does not really matter ^_^ 20:34:05 <Belugas> TinoDidriksen, alcohol does not taste, it's what 20:34:07 <Belugas> s 20:34:10 <Belugas> arounf that taste 20:34:49 <TinoDidriksen> No, alcohol tastes bad. I can taste the same thing from beer, baileys, whiskey, tequila, etc etc...the same foul alcohol taste. 20:35:30 * Belugas has no time nor will to argue. 20:35:30 <eekee> yeah I can taste or at least smell that same element. smell and taste are note entirely seperate sensations 20:35:48 * Belugas likes beer, rhum, wine and is happy aobut it 20:36:01 <Belugas> and i doi respect your tastes 20:36:34 <petern> even if it's wrong 20:37:09 <eekee> lol 20:39:13 <eekee> http://eekee.org.uk/openttd/maglevs-in-opensim_004.png 20:41:07 <TinoDidriksen> Ah, found it... http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn6668-genetic-variation-gives-a-taste-for-alcohol.html 20:42:05 * eekee discover's he's a supertaster! 20:44:06 <petern> 84 people 20:44:12 <petern> conclusive testing then :p 20:44:20 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-24-144-96.winn.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 20:44:37 *** luckz [~lkz@luckz.de] has joined #openttd 20:44:56 <fjb> Conditinal ordes are missing a % chance. Could be used to build a load ballancer. 20:45:17 <petern> missing would imply it is supposed to be there 20:45:33 <petern> or rather, "are missing" does 20:46:12 <TinoDidriksen> Load balancing rail network? What's next, packet switched cars? 20:46:16 <Belugas> and it's "orders" 20:46:24 <fjb> Hm, it would be nice to have that feature. 20:46:44 <Belugas> blablablablabla 20:46:53 <petern> balance, random is a terrible scheme for load balancing 20:47:30 <fjb> It is at least a scheme. 20:47:47 <Belugas> buhwhahahahaa!!!! It's just your imagination! 20:48:15 <fjb> Ok, it is not fine grained. 20:48:35 *** zodttd [~me@user-142gtg7.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:49:01 <Belugas> it is... indeed not... it is... laughable 20:49:29 <fjb> Do you have a better idea what to use instead? 20:49:34 <Belugas> honestly... ho... i might just go there. not sure. how many chances that i do decide to actually load my stuff there?? 20:49:36 <eekee> randomness can appear to get stuck near one end of their range for quite some time 20:49:41 <Belugas> mmh... let's roll the dices 20:49:59 <Belugas> o_O 20:50:17 <fjb> Then it is not worse than no load ballancing. 20:50:25 <eekee> honestly though I find presignals at the begining of dual tracks balance fairly well 20:50:39 <eekee> ... and have done for some time :) 20:51:42 <fjb> That works when splitting parallel tracks. 20:53:31 <fjb> But it does not work when lines of diffent lenght and complexity reach the same station. 20:54:06 <eekee> ah I try to avoid that, yah 20:55:13 <Belugas> what is the problem with load balancing? 20:59:48 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FFC1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:59:56 <eekee> actually ottd will route trains the long way around if the direct route is very congested 21:00:23 <eekee> I actually put in a lot of waypoints to prevent that because it usually results in gridlock elsewhere on my network 21:01:37 <eekee> or at least, it used to, perhaps before YAPF 21:01:55 <eekee> maybe NTP still does, I don't know 21:02:07 <eekee> or is that NPF 21:02:09 <eekee> ? 21:03:56 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 21:05:05 <Belugas> in other words, you want a magic solution that will clear out the congestion of your networks 21:07:40 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:07:44 <eekee> working on the congestion is what's kept me playing a game I began in 2005 lol. It's the big challenge 21:09:24 <Belugas> indeed, granted, i do understand 21:09:51 <Belugas> and i'm happy PBS is now around, as it helps a bit 21:12:44 <fjb> PBS is great. Single track lines are usable with more than 2 or 3 trains now. 21:19:21 <Belugas> GOHOME is great too 21:19:28 <Belugas> toobad i cannot use it now 21:26:36 *** oskari89 [oskari89@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff7cc100-243.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 21:31:28 <fjb> Poor Belugas. 21:33:07 <Belugas> indeed 21:33:51 *** oskari89 [oskari89@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff7cc100-243.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 21:41:53 <planetmaker> I didn't find anything definitive in the newgrf specs: how many bits can a single parameter of a newgrf have? 8? 16? 32? 21:42:49 <frosch123> 32 21:43:05 <Ammler> he :-) 21:43:14 <frosch123> should be mentioned around action 7 21:43:44 <frosch123> though maybe action6 is more likely 21:43:46 *** mode/#openttd [+v DorpsGek] by ChanServ 21:43:49 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 21:44:12 <planetmaker> hm... ok. That solves much. :) thank you frosch123 21:45:47 *** DangerBoBalazs [~chatzilla@53d8331e.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #openttd 21:45:58 *** DangerBoBalazs [~chatzilla@53d8331e.adsl.enternet.hu] has quit [] 21:47:37 *** DangerBoBalazs [~chatzilla@53d8331e.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #openttd 21:49:04 <DangerBoBalazs> hi 21:49:14 <DangerBoBalazs> can i have a question? 21:49:41 <planetmaker> you already had one. Want another? 21:49:49 <DangerBoBalazs> :) 21:49:58 <planetmaker> :) 21:50:17 <Belugas> "Can I have a question..." Yo do not want answers?? 21:50:21 <DangerBoBalazs> in 0.7.0 i have tiny letters 21:50:40 <DangerBoBalazs> how can switch them to be larger? 21:50:50 <Belugas> mmhh.. 21:51:03 <Belugas> if i remeber correctly, on th README.txt, there is stuff about tyhat 21:51:04 <Chruker> if you have a crt screen you can reduce your monitor resolution 21:51:21 <petern> Belugas, i found a perfect solution 21:51:35 <Belugas> mmh? 21:51:38 <petern> get your boss to buy you duplicates of all your kit 21:51:41 <Belugas> screw the simulatior stuff? 21:51:51 <Belugas> lol :D 21:51:53 <petern> so you can ... relax ... at work 21:51:53 <planetmaker> DangerBoBalazs: you have to edit your openttd.cfg file 21:52:07 <Belugas> and have them in here, isn't it? :D 21:52:18 <planetmaker> there are three font sizes declared. Each assigned a different font. You can change those 21:52:29 <planetmaker> or something like that 21:52:39 <petern> then, i do the same, though most of mine is software :D 21:52:50 <Belugas> readme.txt readme.txt readme.txt readme.txt readme.txt 21:52:59 <DangerBoBalazs> ok 21:53:01 <Belugas> but petern,your keyboard is a bit bigger then my guit ;) 21:53:18 <Belugas> either way, i'm tired, i've got to go zhome 21:53:20 <Belugas> night all 21:53:39 <Nite_Owl> later Belugas 21:53:44 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]] 21:53:48 <petern> nini 21:54:06 <Nite_Owl> and I thought it was a donotreadme.txt 21:55:10 <planetmaker> DangerBoBalazs: http://wiki.openttd.org/Unicode 21:55:48 <PeterT> who here is an ottd dev 21:56:44 <PeterT> ok, dont answer me 21:56:48 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:56:57 <planetmaker> uhm. yes 21:57:10 <TinoDidriksen> Impatient young man... 21:57:24 <Nite_Owl> the lack of patience is astounding 21:57:29 <planetmaker> well. I guess he feared the answers 21:57:43 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:57:45 <planetmaker> he'd been around a bit 21:57:55 <planetmaker> though strange he is 21:58:18 <Nite_Owl> the answer is: there is no spoon 21:59:59 <fjb> Is there a way to disable one of the ais in a running game? 22:03:08 <planetmaker> stop_ai <num>? 22:03:19 <frosch123> press ctrl-alt-c, switch to the money cheat, reduce the money to -10M, switch back 22:03:27 <planetmaker> :D 22:03:34 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeja128.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 22:03:41 <frosch123> s/money cheat/company/ actually 22:04:02 <SmatZ> frosch123: not possible (for some reason) 22:04:04 <fjb> :-) 22:04:23 <planetmaker> good night folks 22:04:24 <fjb> stop_ai sounds like a solution. 22:04:33 <fjb> Good night planetmaker 22:07:59 <frosch123> oh, the money thingie :( 22:08:22 <Nite_Owl> later planetmaker 22:08:30 <DangerBoBalazs> sorry, i have the problem: how can i switch the letters to the letters like in 0.6.x? 22:09:09 <SmatZ> DangerBoBalazs: try switching to English 22:09:19 <DangerBoBalazs> ok 22:10:15 <DangerBoBalazs> the letters do not change 22:10:54 <frosch123> are there lots of black boxes on the title screen? 22:11:39 <DangerBoBalazs> when i use the the other base graphics set 22:12:01 <frosch123> the base graphcis can also change the font 22:12:15 <DangerBoBalazs> yes i noticed 22:13:35 <DangerBoBalazs> but when i installed the game, i noticed, that my favoirite letters have changed 22:15:15 <DangerBoBalazs> maybe this is okay, but when i click on the map i can't read the words in that 22:16:11 <DangerBoBalazs> or on that 22:16:31 <DangerBoBalazs> the letters are unreadable 22:16:48 <frosch123> http://wiki.openttd.org/Unicode <- if you are not using the fonts of the spritesets you are using a font specified in the cfg 22:18:37 <DangerBoBalazs> ok, and what should i write to the three places? Thahoma or "Tahoma"? and thats all? 22:25:13 <Chruker> Does the number of terraforming operations matter in respect to town opinion? ex. if leveling an area, will it then hurt equally if I operate on each tile seperately vs. ex. flatten tiles. 22:25:34 <frosch123> terraforming does not hurt, only killing trees 22:27:24 <Chruker> o'rly? nevermind then 22:28:28 <Nite_Owl> but if you terraform a tile with a tree on it does kill the tree 22:29:24 <DangerBoBalazs> ok thanks your help 22:29:53 <DangerBoBalazs> i changed the fonts, thanks 22:33:44 <fjb> My cargodist game just died. :-( 22:45:42 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:46:39 <PeterT> anyone want to join me on ! ! !SimulationNation World Map? 22:47:31 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:47:49 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-187-113.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 22:47:55 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 22:48:42 * fjb doesn't join servers with ! in front of their name. 22:49:41 * eekee either 22:49:48 <Prof_Frink> openttd should sort servers alphabetically by first alphanumerical character 22:50:39 <Nite_Owl> patience is still a virtue 22:51:30 <eekee> are there any other criterion it could sort by? Such as time since game start? 22:54:23 <fjb> First alphanumerical character would give you aaaaaaaaaaaaaSimulationNation World Map instead. 22:54:37 <eekee> it would that 22:56:16 <Prof_Frink> OK, reverse sort by how stupid the name is ;) 22:56:52 <eekee> :D 22:57:55 <SmatZ> hehehe 22:58:34 <SmatZ> there was some "rate lameness of my nick" bot somewhere... 22:58:55 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FFC1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00:54 *** DangerBoBalazs [~chatzilla@53d8331e.adsl.enternet.hu] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]] 23:00:58 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:02:10 <eekee> could set up a ... what's that learnign algorhythm used for junk mail? Would have to teach it of course 23:02:57 <Nite_Owl> I need to feed - later all 23:03:05 <eekee> enjoy 23:03:11 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 23:03:40 <eekee> "enjoy your dinner" says the guy who feels like his guts are on fire.::) 23:03:51 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82735.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Icebears are cute. Please, take care of them!] 23:08:25 *** goodger [~ben@host86-156-60-33.range86-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:10:28 <SmatZ> huh? 23:10:48 <eekee> I'n not very well, is all 23:10:57 <SmatZ> huh? 23:11:02 <eekee> :p 23:11:11 <SmatZ> I hope you will get well soon :) 23:11:19 <eekee> ty :) 23:11:41 <SmatZ> your nick ... it reminds me of snakes for some reason 23:11:53 <SmatZ> maybe because of pokemon? 23:12:52 <eekee> *shrugs* I think I was first called this before pokemon existed, but I could be wrong 23:13:12 <SmatZ> I hope so :) 23:13:25 <eekee> :D 23:13:38 <SmatZ> my brother got N64 just to play some pokemon games there... 23:13:48 <eekee> heh 23:13:49 <SmatZ> I wish I got presents like him when I was in his age :-/ 23:14:01 <eekee> aw aye 23:15:12 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.] 23:16:09 <SmatZ> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ekans#Ekans your nick is a bit similiar to this :-) (search for images ;) 23:16:23 <SmatZ> hmm I was affected more than I wanted :-/ 23:16:53 <SmatZ> (btw it's "snake" reversed... innovative :-p 23:17:05 <eekee> eevee 23:17:21 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 23:17:25 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82735.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:17:28 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 23:21:47 <SmatZ> and eekee is eekee reversed :-p 23:23:36 <eekee> yesh 23:23:48 <eekee> I has a palindromic naem! 23:24:16 <SmatZ> !!! 23:33:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77CC5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:33:18 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77CFC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:40:12 <Xaroth> [eekee]: *shrugs* I think I was first called this before pokemon existed, but I could be wrong << then you must be quite old :P 23:41:16 <eekee> well I guess I'm wrong, if it's either that or admitting I'm old. :} 23:41:17 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-103-201.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:47:54 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-24-144-96.winn.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 23:50:08 *** fonsinchen1 [~alve@BAEb1b0.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 23:53:05 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c0ef5.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:54:29 <eekee> I think I made my maglevs twise as wide or half as high as they should be 23:54:53 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEb074.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:56:01 <eekee> I've been working on 1 high 2 wide 5 long but I'm wondering if it should be 1 high 1 wide 2.5 or 3 long 23:56:16 <eekee> twice, even 23:56:42 <eekee> or even just 2 long 23:59:34 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-171-52-211.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd