Times are UTC Toggle Colours
00:00:04 * petern remembers that time when bjarni got ripped for claiming something was faster without testing it 00:00:22 <SmatZ> hehe 00:00:42 <glx> and it was not true IIRC :) 00:00:56 <SmatZ> :) 00:00:56 <petern> KUDr did the opposite :D 00:01:35 <SmatZ> on the other hand, r16654 shows ~3% improvement :) 00:04:20 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B832F4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Icebears are cute. Please, take care of them!] 00:04:39 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B832F4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 00:04:40 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 00:04:40 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@77.163.150.18] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference] 00:04:49 <tokai> wrong menu. 00:04:57 <tokai> oups.. and wrong channel too 00:05:45 <SmatZ> :-) 00:06:38 <Eddi|zuHause> imho, slopes should have a bigger impact 00:06:54 <Eddi|zuHause> on acceleration/speed 00:06:56 <SmatZ> finally, they mentioned Jackson in news here... 00:11:09 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 00:11:09 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:11:13 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 00:16:48 <Akoz> later guys 00:17:11 *** Akoz [potatoe@217-150-46.oke1-bras10.adsl.tele2.no] has quit [] 00:21:02 <SmatZ> @calc (19260+19260+19230)/(17090+17170+17070) 00:21:02 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: 1.12507305669 00:21:15 <SmatZ> about 13% faster than 0.7.0 ;) 00:21:31 <SmatZ> 1000 ticks, http://www.openttdcoop.org/files/publicserver_archive/PublicServerGame_122_Final.sav 00:21:42 <glx> not bad 00:21:49 <SmatZ> without asserts 00:31:13 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:33:00 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B832F4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:39:09 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83BB0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 00:39:12 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 00:39:59 <Eddi|zuHause> @devs: there doesn't seem to be any debug output on where the openttd.cfg was found, and whether writing to it was successful 00:42:09 <glx> Eddi|zuHause: openttd -d misc3 00:42:32 <Eddi|zuHause> glx: no, that only lists the search directories, and whether it found some tars 00:42:38 <Eddi|zuHause> but not the cfg file itself 00:42:51 <glx> level 3 shows where personnal dir is 00:43:01 <glx> and this dir contains openttd.cfg 00:43:03 <Sacro> hmm 00:43:23 <Eddi|zuHause> and still, it does not say if it could write to it 00:43:34 <glx> that's another thing :) 00:43:34 * Sacro writes on Eddi|zuHause 00:43:54 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=44095 <- referencing that 00:43:56 <glx> it's written on exit, but we don't check if it worked 00:44:39 <Eddi|zuHause> and it does not say whether the personal dir actually has a cfg 00:46:06 <glx> D:\developpement\ottd\trunk>touch openttd.cfg 00:46:06 <glx> 00:46:06 <glx> D:\developpement\ottd\trunk>bin\openttd.exe -dmisc3 00:46:06 <glx> dbg: [misc] D:\developpement\ottd\trunk\ found as personal directory 00:46:30 <Eddi|zuHause> glx: on a clean install, no cfg is present 00:46:34 <glx> personnal dir is where openttd found the cfg else it's ~/.openttd 00:46:36 <Eddi|zuHause> (yet) 00:46:52 <glx> or mydocs\openttd 00:47:11 <glx> as explained in readme.txt 00:47:11 <Eddi|zuHause> so from the debug output, one can not differenciate whether there was a cfg in the personal dir, or it chose the default one 00:47:57 <glx> the cfg is "always" in personnal dir 00:48:10 <glx> it will be created there if none found on start 00:48:24 <glx> created on exit of course 00:49:27 <glx> so this guy have a non writable ~/.openttd it seems 00:49:33 <glx> and that's weird 00:52:55 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:52:59 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 00:58:34 <Eddi|zuHause> the world is coming to an end... 00:58:41 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm even starting to help alain... 00:59:07 *** torrin [~quality@222.72.132.166] has joined #openttd 00:59:07 <torrin> Need Sex? Get Laid! famouspornstars.com 00:59:07 *** torrin [~quality@222.72.132.166] has left #openttd [] 01:00:27 <Eddi|zuHause> the weird thing about this is... what is the actual relation between "porn" and "getting laid"? 01:10:15 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:10:57 <cnk> the former is more often than enough staged 01:12:36 *** oskari89 [oskari89@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff7cc100-243.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 01:14:56 *** rasco [rasco@tietos.com] has joined #openttd 01:16:52 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:34:23 *** marhta [~pericak@190.38.89.140] has joined #openttd 01:34:25 <marhta> Need Sex? Get Laid! famouspornstars.com 01:34:25 *** marhta [~pericak@190.38.89.140] has left #openttd [] 01:34:49 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 01:41:00 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:41:00 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 01:41:11 <Sacro> whoah 01:41:14 <Sacro> totally zoned out 01:44:22 <Eddi|zuHause> what's up with all the IRC spam suddenly? 01:44:29 <Eddi|zuHause> first the join-flood, now this... 01:46:37 <Sacro> dunno 01:47:08 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:380a:8912:5deb:1a43] has quit [Quit: bye] 01:49:38 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@167.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:14:38 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host81-156-5-103.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:16:39 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 02:16:39 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:16:42 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 02:27:02 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 02:40:16 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:57:19 *** cnk [~scenic@sovereign.computergmbh.de] has quit [Quit: CPU Time Exceeded] 02:58:40 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 03:04:41 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:04:41 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 03:09:10 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:12:52 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:14:04 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@nude.lesbianbath.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:39:10 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:40:48 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 03:40:48 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:40:52 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 03:43:27 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 04:22:54 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 04:22:54 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:22:57 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 04:45:55 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:45:59 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 04:58:48 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@nude.lesbianbath.com] has joined #openttd 05:27:38 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 05:27:38 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:27:41 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 05:35:23 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:43:20 *** TheMask96 [~martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 06:03:05 *** HerzogDeXtEr2 [~Flex@89.246.221.231] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:12:23 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.161.138] has joined #openttd 06:27:32 *** Xyzzy [c40fc9c9@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 06:38:35 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.115.161.138] has joined #openttd 06:40:26 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.161.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:56:18 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@nude.lesbianbath.com] has quit [Quit: rehashing] 06:56:48 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@nude.lesbianbath.com] has joined #openttd 07:00:01 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@nude.lesbianbath.com] has quit [] 07:00:41 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@nude.lesbianbath.com] has joined #openttd 07:01:42 <z-MaTRiX> hello 07:09:32 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:09:39 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 07:21:04 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 07:29:48 *** mikk36|w [~mikk36@ntsrv.lakrito.ee] has joined #openttd 07:29:49 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 07:30:17 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:30:17 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 07:31:02 *** Default__ [~quassel@ks32603.kimsufi.com] has joined #openttd 07:31:14 *** KingJ-OFT [~KingJ@95.154.197.17] has joined #openttd 07:31:16 *** otih_ [~otih@wir.machen.datensalat.eu] has joined #openttd 07:32:34 *** Strid__ [~Strid@c-fe85e555.013-46-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 07:32:43 *** mucht_home [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 07:32:55 *** SmatZ- [~SmatZ@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 07:33:01 *** Ammller [~ammler@ammler.ch] has joined #openttd 07:34:41 *** blathijs_ [~matthijs@drsnuggles.stderr.nl] has joined #openttd 07:34:42 *** Sacro_ [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 07:34:43 *** totalwor1age [~worm@89.188.20.118] has joined #openttd 07:34:49 *** tosse_ [tosse@tosse.pp.se] has joined #openttd 07:34:49 *** wolfryu [~Wolfenste@dhcp-077-251-185-139.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 07:34:52 *** weaselTM_ [~weasel@anguilla.debian.or.at] has joined #openttd 07:34:58 *** snorre_ [~snorre@c832BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 07:34:59 *** Netsplit charon.oftc.net <-> magnet.oftc.net quits: KingJ, Yexo, Strid_, @orudge, George, tosse, blathijs, neli, Osai, luckz, (+18 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 07:34:59 *** KingJ-OFT is now known as KingJ 07:34:59 *** Ammller is now known as Ammler 07:35:07 *** Netsplit over, joins: svip 07:35:07 *** weaselTM_ is now known as weasel 07:35:21 *** Netsplit over, joins: XeryusTC 07:35:41 *** Netsplit over, joins: Osai 07:37:27 *** snorre_ is now known as snorre 07:39:10 *** neli [micha@88.159.210.43] has joined #openttd 07:40:27 *** stuffcor1se [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:40:44 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 07:40:50 <dihedral> morning 07:42:49 *** lolman [~johnuk89@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 07:43:55 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEcefe.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 07:45:05 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 07:45:05 *** Andel [~andel@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 07:45:07 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@80.247.163.107] has joined #openttd 07:45:07 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@80.247.163.137] has joined #openttd 07:45:43 <SirSquidness> greetings dihedral 07:47:03 *** Westie [~westie@westie-cat.co.uk] has joined #openttd 07:58:44 *** HansAffe [~piespy@game.spieleplanet.eu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:04:08 *** SmatZ- is now known as SmatZ 08:04:24 <andythenorth_> morning 08:08:54 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 08:18:24 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-10-1-240.leed.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 08:18:35 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.115.161.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:20:47 *** Brot6 [~rbot@ammler.ch] has joined #openttd 08:21:22 *** Brot6 [~rbot@ammler.ch] has left #openttd [] 08:21:59 *** Wolle [DrJekyll@p57B0E9BE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:27:26 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.161.138] has joined #openttd 08:29:07 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm236.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 08:31:41 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-10-1-240.leed.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060215]] 08:32:13 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.211.97] has joined #openttd 08:34:53 *** dms [~birmingh@193.86.161.24] has joined #openttd 08:34:53 <dms> Need Sex? Get Laid! famouspornstars.com 08:34:53 *** dms [~birmingh@193.86.161.24] has left #openttd [] 08:35:15 <SmatZ> what, it's not dead? :( 08:35:20 <SmatZ> hello :) 08:35:42 <Rubidium> SmatZ: a botnet that's dead? 08:37:25 <SmatZ> :-) 08:37:31 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.161.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:38:03 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226208247.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:49:01 *** vannie [~reg@123.52.130.3] has joined #openttd 08:49:02 <vannie> Need Sex? Get Laid! famouspornstars.com 08:49:02 *** vannie [~reg@123.52.130.3] has left #openttd [] 09:01:12 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 09:15:57 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:16:08 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 09:16:47 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 09:16:58 <z-MaTRiX> hmm 09:18:22 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 09:21:18 <dihedral> \o/ - just got a spare part for my mac :-) 09:23:17 <z-MaTRiX> cool, now you can use it as a pc 09:25:23 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:27:08 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83BB0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Icebears are cute. Please, take care of them!] 09:27:32 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83BB0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:27:35 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 09:34:22 <dihedral> z-MaTRiX, wtf! 09:34:31 <dihedral> ^^ 09:46:00 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 09:49:39 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:59:33 *** Spoons [faux@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:03:33 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-10-1-240.leed.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 10:03:47 <De_Ghosty> spare part 10:03:50 <De_Ghosty> of a mac? 10:03:51 <De_Ghosty> LIES 10:04:28 <Eddi|zuHause> he means he took it apart and rebuild it. and now he has leftover parts 10:05:05 <De_Ghosty> o 10:08:00 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 10:08:52 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:19:13 *** blathijs_ is now known as blathijs 10:28:36 <dihedral> eh... 10:28:47 <dihedral> well - i needed to replace the DC-in board 10:29:25 <dihedral> and, it's a mac, so those parts are not soldered on to the logic board 10:30:03 <petern> you just have to saw the case open to get to it 10:30:40 <z-MaTRiX> that's no problem, i used to replace BGA ics 10:35:26 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db0887e.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 10:38:10 <petern> heh 10:38:12 <petern> http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/lib/libc/string/strlen.c?rev=1.7;content-type=text%2Fplain 10:38:16 <petern> openbsd 10:38:17 <petern> vs 10:38:23 <petern> http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/lib/libc/string/strlen.c?rev=1.7;content-type=text%2Fplain 10:38:26 <petern> linux 10:38:29 <petern> er 10:38:33 <petern> http://sources.redhat.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/libc/string/strlen.c?rev=1.1.2.1&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup&cvsroot=glibc 10:40:01 <Rubidium> sense and simplicity vs wtf 10:40:33 *** De_Ghosty is now known as BoooooOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooo 10:41:47 <petern> yup 10:43:27 <z-MaTRiX> :) 10:43:38 <z-MaTRiX> nicer in ASM optimized form 10:43:43 <Rubidium> hmm, does that look like we can fool strlen if using a character '\x80' at the word boundary? 10:43:57 <SmatZ> did anyone say "optimisations"? 10:44:33 <Rubidium> oh no, you can just make it do extra work ;) 10:45:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r16662 /trunk/src/ (roadstop.cpp roadstop_base.h roadveh_cmd.cpp station_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: replace GetRoadStopByTile() by RoadStop::GetByTile() 10:45:36 <Eddi|zuHause> hehe... "magic_bits", "himagic", "lomagic" 10:45:52 <Rubidium> I'm missing "toomagic" 10:45:56 <SmatZ> :-) 10:46:11 <z-MaTRiX> its black magik 10:46:20 <z-MaTRiX> not imagemagick <; 10:47:44 *** BoooooOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooo [~s@69-196-166-55.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [] 10:47:59 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-544315b4.lns4-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:49:16 <z-MaTRiX> http://board.flatassembler.net/topic.php?t=10193 10:53:01 <Noldo> petern: did you profile them? 10:53:10 <petern> Noldo, no 10:53:11 <SmatZ> memcpy_s(dst,sizeof(dst), src,len); 10:53:13 <SmatZ> wtf 10:53:36 <SmatZ> as if dst wasn't a pointer in many cases 10:54:27 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.18.166.118] has joined #openttd 10:54:57 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.221.231] has joined #openttd 10:55:11 <SmatZ> "This is just a publicity stunt. Microsoft has to stop letting marketing people write code." :) 10:55:54 <Eddi|zuHause> petern: probably the second version kills all chances of compilers to optimise the damn thing theirselves 10:56:47 <petern> i'm going to assume it is actually faster 10:56:52 <petern> otherwise there's no point 10:57:10 <SmatZ> hehe 10:57:17 <petern> it just *seems* to be doing a lot more :) 10:57:23 <Noldo> it's somewhat safe to asume it has been profiled by someone 10:57:24 <Eddi|zuHause> e.g. by unfolding the for loop and then do 4 8-bit operations simultaneously (e.g. MMX-operations) 10:59:18 * Rubidium wonders whether he understands that function correctly 11:00:09 <Rubidium> oh, it's just strange coding style 11:00:15 <petern> yeah, that too 11:00:26 <petern> there's going to be some overhead in setting up the magic bits 11:00:42 <petern> on 64 bit, anyway 11:01:30 * petern ponders profiling it anyway :D 11:01:33 <SmatZ> :-) 11:01:53 <Noldo> petern: go for it! 11:02:52 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 11:03:05 <Eddi|zuHause> at a quick glance: the first version is doing 2 8-bit operations per loop (x4), the second one is doing 5 32-bit operations per loop 11:04:05 <Eddi|zuHause> plus the jump 11:20:35 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:21:26 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 11:22:21 <petern> simple 307912, glib 514992 11:22:29 <petern> hmm 11:22:50 <SmatZ> time or performance? 11:23:03 <SmatZ> (ms or chars/s?) 11:24:42 <petern> simple 196738808, glib 264293684 11:24:47 <petern> pom te pom 11:24:53 <petern> using rdtsc 11:24:59 <SmatZ> hehe 11:25:06 <SmatZ> very interesting 11:26:00 <Eddi|zuHause> so lower=faster? 11:26:12 <Eddi|zuHause> or higher=faster? 11:26:29 <petern> higher = more ticks 11:27:04 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 307912*8/5 11:27:04 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 492659.2 11:27:16 <petern> ? 11:28:17 <petern> simple 1263148, glib 2075964 11:28:18 <petern> :s 11:28:38 <Yexo_> petern: are the strings you're testing long or short? 11:28:52 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 11:29:08 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77B21.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:29:27 <petern> 1000 chars 11:29:55 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B21.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:29:59 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 11:30:01 <petern> hmm 11:30:11 <petern> the glibc is faster for short strings 11:30:54 <petern> simple 30760, glib 1888 11:30:56 <petern> for 20 chars 11:31:22 <Noldo> how is that possible 11:32:36 <petern> after about 200 chars, the simple method is faster 11:32:51 <petern> wonder if that's cache related 11:33:00 <petern> i'm using the same buffer 11:33:45 <petern> must be 11:33:57 <petern> it depends on the number of loop iterations too 11:34:29 <Eddi|zuHause> try placing 1000 20-char strings in a row, to check caching relevance 11:35:03 <dihedral> heh 11:35:17 <petern> yeah 11:38:19 <petern> lol 11:38:21 <petern> i'm an idiot 11:38:36 <petern> i accidentally included the buffer fill in the test timing 11:38:43 <petern> now the openbsd method is always faster 11:40:35 *** |tux_mark_5| [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 11:42:49 <petern> simple 10702204, glib 18790640, sys 80 11:42:50 <petern> haha 11:43:50 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 11:44:46 <SmatZ> petern: http://paste.openttd.org/183527 I got different results 11:45:11 <petern> simple 10734980, glib 16345840, sys 5566008 11:45:12 <petern> more like it 11:45:20 <Eddi|zuHause> what's "sys"? 11:45:23 <SmatZ> strange 11:45:35 <petern> standard strlen 11:45:35 <SmatZ> petern: did you try -O3 ? 11:45:58 <petern> yes 11:46:10 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:47:08 <petern> with "sys 80" it had optimised the strlen away because i wasn't using the result 11:47:12 <SmatZ> http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/strlen_test.c my test program 11:47:31 <petern> not text/plain :( 11:48:00 <SmatZ> http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/strlen_test.txt ;) 11:48:32 <z-MaTRiX> are you optimizing strlen? 11:48:38 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 11:48:57 <SmatZ> just benchmarking 11:49:14 <z-MaTRiX> can you check ASM too? :) 11:49:22 <z-MaTRiX> would be interested 11:50:02 <petern> SmatZ, 32 or 64 bit? 11:50:24 <SmatZ> http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/strlen_test.S.txt 11:50:26 <SmatZ> petern: 64bit 11:51:14 <SmatZ> uint64 r[3] = { 0, 0, 0}; 11:51:17 <SmatZ> is better for 32bit system 11:51:19 <SmatZ> :) 11:52:35 <SmatZ> the system strlen() is probably optimised in such a way 11:52:57 <SmatZ> that the gcc knows it always returns the same value 11:53:20 *** _tux_mark_5_ [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 11:53:51 <SmatZ> http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/strlen_test.txt so it doesn't have that advantage 11:55:09 <SmatZ> http://paste.openttd.org/183528 32b, http://paste.openttd.org/183529 64b 11:57:21 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 11:58:56 *** |tux_mark_5| [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:03:27 *** |tux_mark_5| [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 12:09:10 *** _tux_mark_5_ [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:16:21 <rasco> hullo 12:18:15 <rasco> is there a reason why CMD_MONEY_CHEAT has to be CMD_OFFLINE? 12:18:32 <rasco> the server doesen't allow it anyways if not in debug mode 12:18:36 <lolman> rasco: to prevent multiplayer cheating, I would have supposed 12:19:41 <rasco> but it's like checking twice 12:20:19 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db0887e.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: brb] 12:26:05 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r16663 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: make removing of railway station tiles faster 12:26:34 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEcefe.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:26:41 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 12:27:30 <Eddi|zuHause> rasco: client side vs. server side check? 12:27:57 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not like this check could be performance critical 12:29:47 <Rubidium> rasco: checking for invalid characters in a string doesn't need to happen either, after all the window input checks that 12:29:59 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:31:19 <rasco> it's not because it could be performance critical 12:32:00 <rasco> not, it's because i'm a server admin and would like to do something funny with the server 12:32:11 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@167.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 12:32:18 <Yexo> if either of these checks was removed, it should be the one in CmdMoneyCheat 12:32:25 <rasco> e.g. make things more expensive with moneycheat 12:32:35 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 12:32:44 <Yexo> if you remove the CMD_OFFLINE flag without changing CmdMoneyCheat you introduce an easy desync 12:32:54 <Eddi|zuHause> rasco: i'm not sure if you understand how multiplayer works 12:32:56 <rasco> yexo: why easy desync? 12:33:08 <rasco> if someone sends a cmd_money_cheat it's his own fault 12:33:15 <Yexo> because if you compile the server in debug mode, the server will allow the money cheat, but the clients won't 12:33:33 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x3ef3a198.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:33:36 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 12:33:49 <rasco> yexo: that's exactly the problem. i'd like the money cheat to be configured server-side only 12:33:58 <Yexo> so if client A sends CMD_MONEY_CHEAT, the server will increase the amount of money A has, but none of the clients will accept it 12:33:58 <rasco> you need a debug client to not go desync 12:34:10 <Bjarni> hello everybody 12:34:17 <Bjarni> any ubuntu user here? 12:34:25 <rasco> yexo true 12:34:32 <Yexo> rasco: if you want users to have a debug client, either you have to compile it for them or they have to compile themserlf 12:34:38 <Yexo> so you might as well use a small patch 12:34:49 <Yexo> Bjarni: only occasionally 12:34:56 <lolman> Bjarni: I can quickly chuck a VM together if wanted 12:35:03 <rasco> the problem is: most users don't want to download a patch or custom version 12:35:08 <Chris_Booth> i have a ubuntu VM 12:35:39 <Bjarni> I have a running VM with ubuntu right now 12:35:55 <rasco> so the check could be disabled on client side, but enabled on server side 12:35:57 <Chris_Booth> what do you want to know or want me to do? 12:35:58 <Yexo> rasco: in that case users won't have a debug build either 12:35:59 <Bjarni> the question is how do I install java runtime environment in firefox 12:36:09 <Bjarni> preferably without too many steps, which can go wrong 12:37:15 <Yexo> sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin sun-java6-fonts <- from a quick google search 12:37:19 <rasco> Yexo: yes. but if the "standard" official version of openttd would *allow* cmd_money_cheat in multiplayer, a server could choose to enable or disable it 12:37:34 <Yexo> true, but we won't allow cheating 12:37:48 <rasco> why not? cool things are possible with it 12:38:07 <rasco> a server can have price differences without grfs 12:38:10 <rasco> and stuff like that 12:38:13 <Yexo> because it can destroy the fun for people who want to pla fair 12:38:34 <rasco> yes, but a server with cheating does not mean that everyone can cheat 12:38:40 <rasco> you have to enable it first 12:38:47 <rasco> (i mean enable it serverside= 12:38:54 <Rubidium> the money cheat actually working in network in debug mode is PURELY for debugging purposes 12:39:06 <Bjarni> thanks Yexo 12:39:12 <Bjarni> looks like it's installing something now 12:39:14 *** stuffcor1se [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 12:39:20 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:39:29 <Bjarni> the question is what if it will work when it's done :/ 12:39:43 <rasco> Yexo: Rubidium: I understand your guys concernc about cheating 12:40:11 <rasco> but it's no problem as long as the server can CHOOSE to allow/disallow it 12:40:27 <rasco> concerns, taht is 12:40:28 <Yexo> it is, evern a server owner can cheat 12:40:49 <rasco> Yexo: i can cheat as server owner even WITHOUT CMD_MONEY_CHEAT 12:41:04 <Yexo> how would you do that? 12:41:13 <rasco> hehe discard client commands 12:41:22 <SmatZ> useful :-p 12:41:34 <rasco> or inject fake client commands 12:41:34 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 12:41:35 <SmatZ> you don't have to run game server after all 12:41:39 <Yexo> it'll be clear very quick if you do that 12:41:59 <rasco> yep, but using a money cheat to cheat will also be clear very quickly 12:42:21 <SmatZ> it's for debugging purposes 12:42:34 <SmatZ> so you can cheat yourself money even in multiplayer 12:42:57 <Yexo> if you want everyone to have a lot of money, create a savegame in mp, load it in sp and cheat every company a lot of money, then load it in mp again 12:43:11 <rasco> Yexo: let me explain what i'd like to do 12:43:27 <rasco> i have a competitive server (speedy) 12:43:33 <rasco> people get scores each game 12:43:46 <rasco> those scores go to a database 12:43:58 <rasco> now, aircraft are disabled on my servers 12:44:10 <rasco> why? because they are veeeery quick money without any work 12:44:31 <rasco> with CMD_MONEY_CHEAT i could make aircraft more expensive quite easily 12:44:46 <Yexo> huh? 12:44:47 <rasco> not only their buy price, but also running costs 12:44:57 <Yexo> what has CMD_MONEY_CHEAT to do with aircraft prices? 12:45:13 <Eddi|zuHause> you could, like, just use a basecost newgrf... 12:45:21 <Belugas> hello 12:45:26 <Yexo> hello Belugas 12:45:39 <rasco> every 10 ticks i could inject a cmd_money_cheat for each airplane, that takes away some of the company's money 12:46:07 <Eddi|zuHause> that's completely silly... 12:46:12 <rasco> heh 12:46:26 <Yexo> just use a base cost newgrf 12:46:41 <rasco> well how easy is it then to get my own GRF's to the official site? 12:46:50 <Yexo> very easy 12:46:56 <Eddi|zuHause> there is already one 12:47:00 <Yexo> as long as you created them, you can just upload them 12:47:07 <rasco> oh well ok 12:47:18 <Yexo> and for a basecost newgrf, you could even unload it since the base costs are stored in the savegame 12:47:21 <Belugas> it's for sure faster than to write your hack :) 12:47:22 <planetmaker> important part is "as long as you created them" :) 12:47:24 <Yexo> that way users don't need the newgrf 12:47:37 <rasco> since the new auto-grf-download maybe people will be more open to joining grf servers 12:47:46 <planetmaker> yes, they are. 12:47:51 <planetmaker> I *think* 12:47:51 *** ecke_ [~ecke@21.161.broadband7.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 12:48:12 <rasco> Eddi|zuHause: that base cost grf can change all vehicle's running costs? 12:48:14 <planetmaker> would be interesting to see hard facts on that though. 12:48:23 <planetmaker> not only vehicles... 12:48:33 <rasco> sounds good.. 12:48:38 <Eddi|zuHause> it comes with a readme... 12:48:51 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, it's surely a do-not-readme :P 12:50:28 <Bjarni> oh dear 12:50:44 <Bjarni> now I wonder how to accept the EULA presented by apt-get 12:51:00 <Bjarni> there is an Ok marker, but I can't click it 12:51:12 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Hackedy hackedy weg] 12:51:12 <Yexo> press enter? 12:51:12 <Bjarni> enter or writing ok doesn't help either 12:51:18 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 12:51:26 <Ammler> Y? 12:51:42 <Yexo> using tab to select the ok 'button'? 12:51:50 <Ammler> or maybe it is less, so q would help :-) 12:52:02 <Bjarni> tab to ok was the solution :) 12:52:28 <Ammler> which strange distro to you try now? 12:52:43 <Bjarni> once you realise stuff like that it looks so simple and you wonder why you got stuck 12:52:51 <Bjarni> <Ammler> which strange distro to you try now? <-- ubuntu 12:53:26 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has quit [] 12:53:29 <Bjarni> I decided on something more mainstream so I could find people to ask if I got stuck 12:53:35 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 12:54:07 <Ammler> that should also support the mouse, I guess. 12:54:32 <Bjarni> it does 12:54:38 <Bjarni> just not in that EULA window 12:54:45 <Bjarni> which is actually the terminal window 12:55:30 <Bjarni> I mean even windows can execute applications which will not listen for mouse input 12:57:36 <Ammler> well, linux <whatever> can be much mre clicky i.e. the middle button. 12:57:54 * Bjarni does the happy dance 12:58:05 <Bjarni> firefox can execute java code :D 12:58:28 <Bjarni> took me hours to get working and some GB downloads 12:58:40 <Bjarni> and I thought it would be so simple.... 12:59:20 <Ammler> well, 1st time :-) 13:00:12 <Ammler> usually you install a whole linux system in < 1h, same you need for windows half a day 13:00:40 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:41 <Ammler> (mostly searching for drivers) 13:00:42 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-10-1-240.leed.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:01:01 <Bjarni> the main issue was preconfigured VMs without java and/or network access 13:01:15 <Bjarni> who would make a VM without network access??? 13:01:36 <Ammler> maybe a license issue? 13:01:44 <Bjarni> maybe 13:01:47 <Ammler> you could "buy" the one with 13:02:05 <Bjarni> but if there is such an issue the documentation could say so 13:02:05 <Ammler> it 13:02:09 <Bjarni> there is no buy option 13:02:37 <planetmaker> Bjarni, for certain tests a VM w/o network access makes sense IMO :) 13:02:46 <Bjarni> yeah 13:02:53 <planetmaker> and hello :) 13:03:00 <Bjarni> it's not completely insane 13:03:12 <Bjarni> but one would assume that it would have it unless mentioned otherwise 13:03:19 <Bjarni> there is a description and it wasn't mentioned 13:03:28 <planetmaker> he... 13:03:37 <planetmaker> there I have to agree. 13:06:05 <Eddi|zuHause> hehe "i believe many people do not like vi because they only use it in stress situations" 13:06:18 <planetmaker> haha :) 13:06:44 <Bjarni> the same could be said for vim 13:06:56 <Bjarni> I usually end up with it if no other editor is installed 13:07:12 <Eddi|zuHause> on which modern system is vi not a symlink to vim? 13:07:27 <Bjarni> I have no idea 13:07:36 <Bjarni> but I type vim, not vi 13:07:36 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: openwrt 13:09:00 <Eddi|zuHause> "and what do you do when no editor is installed at all?" "touch blah; echo XYZ >> blah" 13:09:26 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|bnc 13:11:36 <rasco> echo "<source code of an editor>" >> editor.c && gcc editor.c 13:24:00 *** ecke_ [~ecke@21.161.broadband7.iol.cz] has quit [Quit: ecke_] 13:24:14 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 13:34:23 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@nude.lesbianbath.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:38:49 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 13:44:27 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r16664 /trunk/ (17 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: move house-related stuff from town.h and town_type.h to separate files 13:46:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r16665 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_house.cpp saveload/town_sl.cpp town.h town_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: replace GetTownByTile() by Town::GetByTile() 13:47:26 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B21.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:48:05 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B21.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:52:44 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:02:15 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B21.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:02:38 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B21.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:02:42 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r16666 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: replace GetHouseSpecs() by HouseSpec::Get(), hide _house_specs[] 14:02:48 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.177.186] has joined #openttd 14:05:48 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:09:43 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.221.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:11:25 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:11:49 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:15:35 <rasco> so, i'll set up one of my servers with a base-cost grf 14:15:52 <rasco> and will tell you guys how many people join that server compared to the standard without grfs 14:17:27 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x3ef3a198.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:18:16 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 14:18:26 *** Chicago_Rail_Authority [user@c-76-100-52-121.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has left #openttd [] 14:18:47 <rasco> about the auto-download: 14:19:02 <rasco> couldn't it be done easier for stupid users to download grfs-ingame? 14:19:18 <rasco> currently if you wanna join you have to click through 4 buttons 14:19:23 <rasco> "newgrf settings" - "find missing content online" - "select all" - "download" 14:19:42 <rasco> for stupidheads one or two clicks would be preferable 14:20:17 <rasco> e.g. clicking the join button would make the game ask "do you want to download following grfs? yes/no" 14:20:33 <Sacro> no 14:20:42 <Sacro> it's better to keep the stupid people at bay 14:21:08 <Ammler> "someone" should make a patch for parameter--autodownload or alike. 14:21:54 <rasco> Ammler: what do you mean 14:22:30 <Ammler> well, if join or load a save, just download all grfs needed, if available. 14:23:47 <Ammler> (would also help the stupid admins) 14:24:23 <Belugas> rasco, no matter how idiot-proof a system can be, they always come with a better idiot 14:24:37 <Belugas> even if there was only one single freaking button on the screen 14:25:14 <Belugas> "hey dude... can you make it like i don't need to do anything and let the game work by itself? That'd be coooool" 14:25:15 <Belugas> :P 14:25:19 * Sacro pushes the button 14:25:25 <Belugas> POOOOOF 14:25:31 <Belugas> that was a virus!!!! 14:26:02 <Sacro> :( 14:26:04 <Sacro> but i'm on a mac 14:26:08 <Sacro> so it doesn't affect me 14:26:17 <rasco> well sure 14:26:18 <rasco> :) 14:26:46 <rasco> but why autodownload in the first place when smart people know where to get the correct grfs in the first place anyway 14:27:18 <Sacro> true 14:27:19 <Belugas> ... 14:27:25 <Sacro> so remove autodownload altogether 14:27:25 <Belugas> that was not the point 14:28:40 <petern> Belugas, you ... available ... tonight? 14:28:43 <Ammler> "smart" and "stupid" might be the wrong words in this case anyway. 14:30:07 <rasco> Ammler: well yea, it would make life easier 14:30:56 <rasco> (even if only a little bit) 14:31:21 <Ammler> well, it does already, if you compare with time before bananas 14:35:14 <Belugas> i'll try petern 14:35:20 <Belugas> late or early? 14:37:16 <petern> er, well it's late for me ,heh 14:40:59 <Belugas> lol 14:41:01 <Belugas> ok 14:46:06 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:48:02 <Belugas> i won't promise anything, petern, but i'll do my best 14:48:17 <Belugas> i'm eager for another jam indeed 14:49:30 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 14:49:46 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B627.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:50:42 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:54:22 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEcefe.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 15:00:23 *** Xyzzy [c40fc9c9@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 15:08:20 <Belugas> gaaah.... 15:08:22 <Belugas> blind.. 15:08:39 <Belugas> i looked at my mouse's laser :S 15:08:59 <Belugas> was not really aware of what i was doing :S 15:09:07 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r16667 /trunk/src/ (industry.h industry_cmd.cpp subsidy.cpp town.h town_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: replace GetRandomTown() and GetRandomIndustry() by Town::GetRandom() and Industry::GetRandom() 15:11:23 <SirSquidness> Belugas: I take it you discovered that the light generating element in your mouse is brighter than it needs to be? :P 15:11:53 <Belugas> no.. that it's bright alright 15:12:12 <Belugas> and that WondersOfWondering makes me day-dreaming 15:18:28 *** mucht_home [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:22:42 <Belugas> makes me feel like Neil Young playing "Like a hurricane" 15:25:12 <SirSquidness> Is there a way to make OpenTTD use a config file in it's own directory, instead of mydocs or ~ ? 15:26:00 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 15:26:08 <Yexo> openttd -c path/to/openttd.cfg 15:26:14 <SirSquidness> excellent 15:26:15 <SirSquidness> kthnx 15:30:52 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: It's all over.] 15:43:52 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:48:36 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0887e.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 15:53:59 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@c-68-82-181-52.hsd1.de.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:06:37 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 16:24:27 <Belugas> burp 16:24:47 <Belugas> fun fun fun 16:24:59 <Belugas> how to deploy 70 complete stores in 2 days 16:25:10 <Belugas> enjoy hard work guys 16:30:11 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:54:30 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:00:36 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:07:43 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:15:42 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226208247.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 17:34:54 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:34:55 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host50-15-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:35:02 <Wolf01> hello 17:36:27 <Belugas> mister Wolf01 :) 17:37:18 <Wolf01> hello Mr. Belugas :D 17:41:02 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 17:41:34 <Alberth> hello 17:42:27 <Wolf01> hello Mr. Alberth :D 17:42:53 <Belugas> Hello Sir Albert 17:43:05 <Alberth> you must be extremely happy or extremely sarcastic :D 17:43:13 <Alberth> Hai Belugas 17:43:21 <Wolf01> oh is he a lord? 17:43:42 <Alberth> I don't know, I don't remember visiting the English Queen 17:43:56 <petern> sirs are not lords 17:44:25 <petern> well technically the word is derived... 17:44:39 <petern> a knight is addressed as sir 17:45:03 <Wolf01> right 17:45:42 <Wolf01> I confused things a bit :P 17:45:48 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r16668 /trunk/src/lang/ (dutch.txt ukrainian.txt): 17:45:48 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:48 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: dutch - 43 changes by Yexo 17:45:48 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: ukrainian - 34 changes by Madvin 17:48:49 <Belugas> welll... do yu have Lords and Knights and Sirs in Italy? 17:49:09 <Wolf01> no, we have a lot of idiots :P 17:49:18 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe139.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 17:50:09 <Belugas> so you do not feel like a stranger when reading the forums ^_^ 17:51:28 <Belugas> Hello Herr frosch123 17:52:07 <Wolf01> hello frosch123 :D 17:52:33 <frosch123> evening monsieur belugas 17:53:01 <frosch123> evening signore wolf :) 17:53:26 <Alberth> frosch123 knows his languages :) 17:53:39 <Belugas> The Internet.. Connection To the World! 17:53:53 <frosch123> no, I always have to look up the spelling of monsieur, though I used it for at least 10 times now :) 17:53:58 <Xaroth> The Internet.. Connection to the biggest collection of tards! 17:54:03 <Xaroth> there, fixed it for you, Belugas. 17:54:43 <Alberth> well, if by 'the world' you mean mostly people from the western world, then yes. 17:58:19 *** Splex [~splex@c-24-245-55-70.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:04:16 <Belugas> why do you say hat Xaroth? its not true 18:04:32 <Belugas> there are plenty of retards that do not have access to the internet 18:04:58 <Belugas> true, some do qualify enough to pollute the system, but... ain't the majority 18:12:20 <Wolf01> ok, I must go now, see you :) 18:12:41 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host50-15-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 18:18:57 <Xaroth> Belugas: but it is, by far, the biggest collection of em 18:24:59 *** stuffcor1se [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:25:19 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 18:26:07 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@index.linuxsecured.net] has joined #openttd 18:32:11 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x3ef3a198.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:32:12 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 18:32:59 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm236.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:39:01 <Sacro> talking of retards 18:40:25 <Belugas> :) 18:40:30 <Belugas> hello Bjarni 18:42:42 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.177.186] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:45:07 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:45:18 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.161.138] has joined #openttd 18:45:57 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.177.186] has joined #openttd 18:50:59 <z-MaTRiX> hello 18:51:24 <Bjarni> hello Belugas 18:51:32 <Bjarni> and z-MaTRiX 18:51:57 <Bjarni> Sacro: be careful. I might take offence from your lies 18:52:32 <Sacro> well more fool you for taking offence from lies 18:53:17 <Bjarni> spreading lies is actually a jailing offence 18:57:35 * Prof_Frink arrests Bjarni for dealing cake 18:58:25 <Sacro> i snorted cake once 18:58:34 <Sacro> got a candle stuck up my nose 18:58:53 <lolman> Bjarni: depends on what the lie is regarding, actually :) 18:59:15 <lolman> If it doesn't defame, no it's not :D 18:59:27 <Sacro> lolololololololman 18:59:32 <Sacro> oh noes 18:59:35 <lolman> Sacro: oh yeses 19:00:06 <Sacro> eugh 19:00:12 <Sacro> MJ celebration 19:00:18 <Sacro> lolman: are you still in my house? 19:00:21 <lolman> Sacro: yes 19:00:51 <Sacro> sweet 19:01:16 <lolman> I've also prodded O2 and got them to nudge my tarriff down 19:01:34 <Sacro> niiiiice 19:02:15 <lolman> Will be selling my old phone too \o/ 19:02:30 <Sacro> was costat? 19:03:14 <lolman> Well I'm just going for a quick get rid of it job, which will apparently give me ?134 19:07:26 <lolman> (Easily covers the extra money going on the G1) 19:08:14 <Bjarni> "quick get rid of it job".... near Hull that means "get rid of evidence of the stolen goods", right? 19:08:37 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: No, you're thinking of Liverpool 19:08:47 <Bjarni> right 19:08:57 <lolman> What he said 19:09:01 <Bjarni> in Hull you make teenagers pregnant 19:09:11 <Prof_Frink> And get flooded 19:09:12 <Bjarni> and crash random people's homes 19:09:18 <Noldo> one makes or you make? 19:09:32 <lolman> Noldo: depends how posh you are 19:11:09 <Bjarni> if that you means me, then it's "one makes" because I wouldn't do it 19:11:25 <Bjarni> in Hull it would most likely be a dangerous thing to do 19:11:41 <Bjarni> I mean they are more likely to carry an STD, right? 19:11:58 <Bjarni> besides it would take a sick person to deal with such an age difference 19:12:14 <Bjarni> Sacro on the other hand... 19:14:02 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.161.138] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 19:18:26 <Sacro> yes? 19:18:58 <Bjarni> damn do I really have to explain that one to you? 19:19:26 <Sacro> Why not 19:19:43 <Bjarni> I was implying that the mental age difference between you and a teenage girl aren't really present 19:20:04 <Sacro> :( 19:20:30 <Bjarni> but I didn't declare this as a fact 19:20:40 <Bjarni> so you are still able to prove that implication wrong 19:21:42 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83BB0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:23:55 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83E5E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:23:58 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 19:26:59 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-220-66.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:27:45 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEcefe.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:29:08 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.161.138] has joined #openttd 19:32:53 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:33:47 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.161.138] has quit [] 19:34:24 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 19:34:27 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 19:42:28 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@77.163.150.18] has joined #openttd 19:42:38 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.161.138] has joined #openttd 19:48:44 *** [alt]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 19:50:17 *** [alt]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:03:41 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r16669 /trunk/src/road_cmd.cpp: -Cleanup (r1): Only animated tiles are... animated. 20:05:42 <z-MaTRiX> wow 20:06:21 <petern> heh 20:06:22 <frosch123> someone knows how levelcrossings look like in tto? 20:07:07 <petern> frosch123, you know that might have to go back in? :p 20:07:27 <petern> although... it'd be more complex than that anyway 20:07:53 <frosch123> if you find a nice place for AddAnimatedTile :p 20:15:04 <frosch123> hmm, I guess we do not support animated waypoints 20:17:07 <Belugas> that exists? or ... it WILL exist 20:18:04 <frosch123> due to ttdp's interpretation, newgrfs consider waypoints as stations, so they *might* try to use animation :p 20:18:51 <frosch123> or is it ottd's interpretation of newgrfs? 20:21:47 <Belugas> dunno, MB has completely messed up my brain in that matter 20:28:27 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:32:38 *** AC6000 [~AC6000@pool-173-65-236-92.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 20:33:08 *** AC6000 [~AC6000@pool-173-65-236-92.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has left #openttd [] 20:46:46 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-544315b4.lns4-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:50:59 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-31-55-189.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 21:00:33 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.161.138] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:06:29 <Belugas> bye 21:07:47 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:11:27 *** TheMask96 [~martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:14:28 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 21:17:21 *** blathijs [~matthijs@drsnuggles.stderr.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:17:32 *** blathijs [~matthijs@drsnuggles.stderr.nl] has joined #openttd 21:25:39 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r16670 /trunk/src/ (intro_gui.cpp widget.cpp widget_type.h): -Codechange: Containers with equally sized children are useful to have. 21:34:03 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@77.163.150.18] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The alternative IRC client] 21:38:04 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 22:05:02 *** |tux_mark_5| [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:05:13 *** goodger [~ben@host81-152-238-191.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:14:08 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0887e.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: gn8] 22:17:15 <Andel> !seen truelight 22:17:29 <Andel> oops forgot - no seen 22:17:30 <Andel> d'oh 22:18:14 <Xaroth> @seen Truelight 22:18:14 <DorpsGek> Xaroth: I have not seen Truelight. 22:24:05 <frosch123> truelight? who's that? :p 22:24:25 <Andel> can someoen please try www.pregnancyforum.org.uk and tell me if they can access it please? 22:25:10 <goodger> nope 22:25:19 <goodger> connection refused, or whatever HTTP code that translates as 22:25:46 <Xaroth> that's not a http code 22:25:50 <Xaroth> that's a tcp code. 22:26:03 <goodger> meh 22:26:32 <goodger> so, how is everyone these past.... months? 22:26:54 <Prof_Frink> It's the good badger! 22:27:15 <goodger> ?.? 22:27:55 <goodger> ...no. 22:28:02 <Andel> thanks goodger 22:28:50 <goodger> *thumbup* 22:29:25 <goodger> everyone is OK then. super. 22:31:14 <goodger> I'm not very good at this precise moment 22:32:13 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:33:05 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.] 22:36:04 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 22:36:07 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 22:36:30 *** luckz [~lkz@luckz.de] has joined #openttd 22:41:16 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:41:41 <Nite_Owl> Hello all (Zzzzz) 22:45:28 <goodger> um, yes 22:53:51 <goodger> it is appallingly hot ._. 23:01:21 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe139.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:03:43 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@vps.jontysewell.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:03:46 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@rbijker.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:05:23 <Bjarni> did the forum just die for everybody? 23:05:50 <Bjarni> or is it just my connection? 23:05:51 <Alberth> for me it did 23:05:57 <Bjarni> :( 23:06:17 <Bjarni> it worked a moment ago 23:06:27 <Bjarni> makes it rather tricky to reply to the stuff I just read 23:06:43 <SpComb> verily 23:06:47 <Alberth> http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/tt-forums.net 23:07:23 <Bjarni> just refound that page too 23:07:56 <goodger> someone just asked me whether http://downforeverybodyorjustme.com/ was down 23:08:06 <SpComb> and what happens when downforeveryoneorjustme.com has some weird routing issues and gives inconsitent results? 23:08:16 <Bjarni> goodger: go to the page and check ;) 23:08:20 <goodger> linking to http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/downforeverybodyorjustme.com caused severe embarrassment 23:09:55 <Bjarni> clicking the link didn't work for me 23:10:04 <Bjarni> http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/downforeveryoneorjustme.com <-- trying again 23:10:14 <Bjarni> works this time 23:10:21 *** Splex [~splex@c-24-245-55-70.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:10:25 <Bjarni> haha 23:10:32 <Bjarni> you wrote the URL wrong 23:10:47 <Bjarni> it's "everyone", not "everybody" 23:10:56 <goodger> oh bugger 23:11:10 <goodger> oh, wait 23:11:15 <goodger> I clicked your link by mistake 23:11:25 <goodger> no, you have completely missed the joke 23:11:47 <Bjarni> looks like it 23:12:25 <Bjarni> and I still can't see the joke with the wrong URL 23:12:57 <goodger> OK, good luck with that 23:13:29 <Bjarni> either you explain it or you didn't tell a joke :P 23:13:51 <goodger> that's completely not how this sort of thing works 23:14:09 <Bjarni> it is when an op declares so 23:14:59 <goodger> ...so you're now threatening to kick{ban} me for half-heartedly dredging up a joke that you don't understand? 23:16:52 <Tefad> mutiny. 23:17:13 <goodger> quiet, you. 23:17:28 <Bjarni> no 23:17:37 <goodger> not you 23:18:10 <Bjarni> I made you aware that you might risk a kick for not answering my request 23:18:39 <goodger> sounds quite like a threat to me 23:19:04 <goodger> and I hate to have to point it out, but I can't explain the joke from outside the channel 23:19:32 <Bjarni> good point 23:20:19 <Bjarni> still I can't see that it should be funny to write the wrong URL 23:20:45 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r16671 /trunk/src/spritecache.h: -Doc: Documenting Sprite structure. 23:25:46 *** P0lygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 23:25:46 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:27:46 <goodger> I am in no immediate danger of self-harm 23:29:44 <Bjarni> but what about harm from other things? 23:29:55 <Bjarni> have you checked all the shadows around you? 23:30:20 <goodger> yes, I check them every few seconds 23:30:50 <Bjarni> good 23:30:56 <goodger> no. 23:31:06 <Bjarni> then I can walk right on and you will not notice because you are busy looking at shadows 23:32:17 <goodger> you'll have a job walking here from denmark 23:32:47 <Bjarni> what makes you say that? 23:32:53 <Bjarni> ever heard of proxies? 23:33:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B21.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:33:19 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75AA6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:33:25 <Chruker> meh, I cant get to http://www.tt-forums.net/viewforum.php?f=65 23:33:46 <goodger> nor I 23:33:54 <goodger> Bjarni: proxies are not you 23:33:59 <Bjarni> Chruker: looks like the entire server went offline 23:34:56 <Chruker> ahh well, it'll bounce back... hopefully :-) 23:35:01 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc1-norw5-0-0-cust3.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 23:35:36 <Bjarni> it will 23:35:40 <Bjarni> eventually 23:43:56 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 23:48:19 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 23:50:53 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@92.24.30.180] has joined #openttd 23:55:11 <LadyHawk> hmm 23:55:30 <LadyHawk> where do i enable this 'multiple newgrf engine sets' thing? 23:56:07 <Nite_Owl> what version of OpenTTD are you using 23:56:16 <LadyHawk> not sure 23:56:23 <LadyHawk> 0.7.1 it says in titlebar 23:56:40 <Nite_Owl> go to the advance settings 23:56:54 <Nite_Owl> advanced settings 23:57:28 <LadyHawk> whereabouts 23:58:03 *** marz [~chatzilla@pool-70-105-89-144.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 23:58:05 <Nite_Owl> I believe it tis under the vehicles tab 23:58:37 <Nite_Owl> Oh wait - not tabs anymore 23:59:02 <LadyHawk> aha, found it 23:59:24 <LadyHawk> under vehicles just like you said =) 23:59:26 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc1-norw5-0-0-cust3.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:59:46 <LadyHawk> thanks 23:59:52 <Nite_Owl> any time