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00:00:24 <peter__> 2hr30 off now 00:06:27 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 00:07:09 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227034197.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 00:08:05 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7519A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:08:34 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7786F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:19:58 *** thingwath [~thingwath@88.83.164.57] has quit [Quit: It's all over.] 00:21:46 <peternmob> lalala 00:23:37 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-231-186.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:34:52 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-0-123-9.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 00:42:04 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.201.231] has joined #openttd 00:45:08 *** peter__ [peter@217.151.97.219] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:45:23 *** peternmob [~peternmob@82.132.136.165] has quit [Quit: used jmIrc] 01:14:18 *** fonsinchen1 [~alve@BAEa965.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:20:13 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-150-86-135.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:20:22 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.21.135.43] has quit [Quit: Quit] 01:38:32 *** Chruker [~no@0x5da34ce4.vjnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [] 01:52:51 *** oskari89 [oskari89@88.193.124.243] has quit [] 02:50:07 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:01:36 *** TomicBomb [~romain@sta21-3-82-244-158-94.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 03:02:07 *** TomicBomb [~romain@sta21-3-82-244-158-94.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:02:11 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-150-86-135.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:08:10 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:12:44 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:12:50 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest389 03:12:52 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-48-35.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 03:14:26 *** Guest389 [~Dale@c-98-223-59-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:39:02 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:42:53 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 04:03:56 *** TomicBomb [~romain@sta21-3-82-244-158-94.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 04:27:59 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.201.231] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:35:20 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.202.178] has joined #openttd 04:50:35 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm186.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 05:21:02 *** Skiddles [~notme@cm186.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 05:21:10 *** Skiddles [~notme@cm186.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [] 05:48:19 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@c-68-82-181-52.hsd1.de.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 06:08:19 *** Xyzzy [~Albert@vc-41-192-88-17.umts.vodacom.co.za] has joined #openttd 06:21:56 *** Progman [~progman@hep-1.E-Technik.Uni-Dortmund.DE] has joined #openttd 06:27:27 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177233162.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 06:27:36 <dihedral> tada 06:29:45 <SirSquid1ess> amazing. 06:31:04 <dihedral> isn't it? 06:34:50 <SirSquid1ess> quite so 06:34:54 <SirSquid1ess> astounding even 06:44:43 *** N35 [~user@0x55535623.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:46:43 *** N35 [~user@0x55535623.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 06:49:28 <dihedral> yes i was surprised too 06:49:54 <SirSquid1ess> I can see why. 06:49:56 <SirSquid1ess> I think 06:49:57 <SirSquid1ess> >.> 07:04:30 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.115.161.138] has joined #openttd 07:05:07 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm186.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:16:05 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 07:19:12 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.202.178] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:25:36 *** Splex [~splex@c-24-245-55-70.hsd1.wi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 07:28:40 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 07:32:34 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:35:47 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.218.109] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:37:02 <andythenorth_> meh. anyone want to change the cargo payment rates to penalise long distances? No? Thought not. Bad idea. 07:39:50 <planetmaker> why would you want to do that, andythenorth_ ? You're payed for transport after all... 07:40:13 <planetmaker> and the decreasing cargo price with time is already a sort-of distance penalty 07:53:54 *** TomicBomb [~romain@sta21-3-82-244-158-94.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:53:55 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.115.161.138] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:54:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16763 /trunk/src/lang/unfinished/vietnamese.txt: -Add: initial translation of Vietnamese. 08:08:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i really don't think the payment rates are either the issue nor the solution 08:09:32 <Eddi|zuHause> half of the solution is cargodest, the other half is an influence on station rating depending on the number of connected destinations 08:10:44 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep] 08:10:46 <Eddi|zuHause> and why are there only 720p versions of torchwood? 08:11:00 <Rubidium> because the BBC dropped analog? 08:12:33 <Rubidium> although I have to agree 1080p would've been better 08:15:09 <Eddi|zuHause> that's fun and all, but my computer is not fast enough to play 720p 08:15:23 <Eddi|zuHause> nor is it good on my bandwidth 08:30:50 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16764 /trunk/src/ (13 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: unify the way viewport signs are marked dirty 08:31:37 *** TomicBomb [~romain@sta21-3-82-244-158-94.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 08:37:09 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEa965.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 08:46:59 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: solved your disk issues? :) 08:47:24 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not sure... it just did not reappear yet ;) 08:50:32 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16765 /trunk/src/ (5 files): -Codechange: give ViewportSign's width_1 and width_2 more self explaining names 09:00:33 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-544557e5.lns5-c11.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:05:11 <Eddi|zuHause> so far my disk problem might be a strange interference between the new harddrive and my external hard drive 09:05:20 <Eddi|zuHause> although i have no idea how that can happen 09:05:29 <TrueBrain> SATA? It can't :p 09:05:37 <TrueBrain> even if the external is eSATA 09:05:51 <TrueBrain> the only 'problem' can be not sufficient power 09:06:02 <Eddi|zuHause> the external drive is USB 09:06:12 <TrueBrain> with its own power-source? 09:06:17 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 09:06:40 <TrueBrain> then it requires almost nthing from the USB hub, so power problems are unlikely (although possible :p) 09:07:21 <Eddi|zuHause> although the external drive seems to have problems staying on for longer times since i moved... 09:08:06 <TrueBrain> if you open up an external drive, it turns out that it is just an usb to SATA convertor :p 09:08:20 <TrueBrain> if a domain is about the expire the 11th this month, what are the chances I can register after it? 09:08:24 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, that i was pretty certain of 09:09:15 <Eddi|zuHause> you mean grab a domain from someone who forgot to renew it? 09:09:22 <TrueBrain> no, it is no longer in use 09:10:46 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea... i never had a domain 09:10:57 <TrueBrain> I can make a backorder via godaddy ... might be worth the money .. 09:13:00 *** Progman [~progman@hep-1.E-Technik.Uni-Dortmund.DE] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:20:35 <Muxy> your chance will depend on who owns the domain 09:23:06 <TrueBrain> well, I have a good feeling about this :p 09:24:03 <Eddi|zuHause> http://nothingforungood.com/unanswered-google-queries-part-iii/ <- occasionally the guy is actually funny 09:24:27 <Eddi|zuHause> <TrueBrain> well, I have a good feeling about this :p <- you misquoted that :p 09:27:40 *** TomicBomb [~romain@sta21-3-82-244-158-94.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:30:03 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e181180035.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:35:50 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.218.109] has joined #openttd 09:39:15 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 09:45:45 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.218.109] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:45:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.218.109] has joined #openttd 09:53:23 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.198.171] has joined #openttd 09:55:28 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@e181180035.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:02:27 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e181180035.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:02:27 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 10:02:38 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 10:03:00 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:03:24 *** Progman [~progman@hep-1.E-Technik.Uni-Dortmund.DE] has joined #openttd 10:07:44 *** dragonhorseboy [~dragonhor@modemcable160.111-57-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 10:08:30 <dragonhorseboy> any of you know about any parameters for the reducedpassengerpayment grf thats on Bananas with no forum thread link? 10:12:24 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:15:20 <dragonhorseboy> hey mark 10:15:46 <Mark> hello 10:15:47 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 10:16:29 <dihedral> dragonhorseboy, try asking at the servers who use it 10:16:30 <dragonhorseboy> how're you? 10:16:30 <dihedral> :-P 10:17:03 <dragonhorseboy> dihedral...well thats the problem.. forum only has one single mention of it in someone's cfg list pasted but thats it .. I wonder who the author even was anyway :P 10:17:18 <dragonhorseboy> and none of the three major IS servers ever used it 10:17:36 <dragonhorseboy> I wonder about the description saying it had parameters especially for mail . but blah 10:18:00 <dihedral> google showed me that there are 2 servers using it - if i am not mistaken 10:18:01 <Eddi|zuHause> you tried grfcrawler? 10:18:12 <dihedral> the grfid is not in the crawler 10:18:29 <TrueBrain> so it is a useless grf :p 10:18:33 <Eddi|zuHause> then the grf is probably not worth using 10:18:46 <TrueBrain> at least link to a thread, I mean .. 10:18:57 <dragonhorseboy> well without parameters the grf actually just halves passenger payment rate alone 10:19:13 *** Azrael [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 10:19:13 <dragonhorseboy> but I'm curious about making it a bit less serve plus adding mail .. oh well i guess that'll be for another day ;) 10:19:21 <dihedral> perhaps it does not take params :-) 10:20:09 <yorick> heh, google OS 10:20:43 <dragonhorseboy> hm now to decide what roadsets to use hmmm 10:21:06 <yorick> later Google Cars, Google House, United States of Google, Google Planet 10:21:21 <TrueBrain> Google Phone is already there :p 10:21:34 <dihedral> we already have google earth ^^ 10:22:31 <yorick> http://www.thinkgos.com/index.html 10:23:16 <dragonhorseboy> any thoughts on a roadset for japan? 10:24:47 <yorick> and then the anti-google communists :) 10:25:48 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:27:30 <dragonhorseboy> (I've obviously got naroadsetw for canset, czroadset for dbsetxl, but hmm..can't quite find something to go with the third set - japanset) 10:28:50 <Ammler> they have their own roads 10:29:01 <dragonhorseboy> oh..meh I'll check again..ty 10:29:08 <Eddi|zuHause> i was under the impression the japanese have replacements for everything 10:29:41 <dragonhorseboy> eddi..actually..I did quite like the japan landscape.. the green looks dull than bright sunny green if you know what I'm saying 10:29:55 <dragonhorseboy> :) 10:30:16 <Eddi|zuHause> no, i am never sure what you are actually saying 10:31:33 <dihedral> i dislike expect 10:31:38 <dihedral> silly piece of 10:31:39 <dihedral> ! 10:31:41 <TrueBrain> I dislike expectations 10:31:51 <dihedral> it's neither interp nor thread safe 10:32:18 <Eddi|zuHause> where was this "lower expectations" institute from? 10:33:09 <Eddi|zuHause> something MadTV-ish i believe 10:37:52 *** Gekz [~gekko@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:37:53 *** Gekz [~gekko@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #openttd [] 10:38:01 <TrueBrain> STOP THOSE HIT AND RUNS :'( 10:40:01 <Noldo> who is hit'n'runin'? 10:40:11 <TrueBrain> Gekz in this case 10:40:27 <dragonhorseboy> hmm guess I'll just finetune and start with a grf list based on dbsetxl...brb 10:40:27 <Noldo> Eddi|zuHause: MadTV it was 10:48:00 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.17.245.147] has joined #openttd 10:57:45 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.218.109] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:57:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.218.109] has joined #openttd 11:00:35 *** Xyzzy [~Albert@vc-41-192-88-17.umts.vodacom.co.za] has left #openttd [] 11:11:16 <dragonhorseboy> now to fix parameters then finally host.. :P 11:16:05 <planetmaker> wrong 11:16:26 <planetmaker> first define all newgrf and their parameters. Then start a new game with that. then host :) 11:22:34 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 11:26:20 <Rubidium> wrong 11:26:23 <Rubidium> don't host at all 11:26:31 <TrueBrain> wrong 11:26:32 <TrueBrain> don't 11:26:46 <Ammler> don't play openttd? 11:28:22 <petern> of course not 11:28:25 <petern> it's a stupid game 11:28:28 <petern> not realistic at all 11:29:07 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 11:31:28 <dragonhorseboy> btw whatever happened to the snowline option? IS3 doesn't seem to include it in advanced setting anymore 11:38:55 <dihedral> hehe, nice one petern 11:43:11 <dragonhorseboy> hmm ammler... 11:43:26 <Ammler> wow, IS3 already? 11:43:34 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm186.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 11:44:29 <dragonhorseboy> the basecost.grf .. I'm not sure if its just not liking danmack's grfs or ottd-IS is just glitching up with the combination but the terraform parameter is only set to 2 yet it seem to still cost over 000 just for one rail tile on a slope 11:45:14 <dragonhorseboy> I'm trying different parameters with danmack's grfs .. so far no change 11:45:19 *** MizardX [MizardX@h-28-236.A159.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: from __future__ import skynet] 11:47:08 <dihedral> load it after the danmacks grf 11:47:25 <dihedral> + building on a slope = terraforming 11:48:03 <dragonhorseboy> I didn't want it to only cost 0 yet I didn't want it to cost 000 neither .. heh ... hm let me recheck the grf order 11:49:43 <petern> Ammler, yes IS2-beta3 is exactly the same thing as IS3, or something 11:49:45 <dragonhorseboy> hm weird .. being either at bottom or on top doesn't matter to all parameters except for the one terraform one..I guess one of the other grf must be affecting it 11:51:26 <dihedral> no kidding! 11:51:49 <TrueBrain> *hihi* 11:52:07 <dragonhorseboy> I wonder why danmack would want to modify the terraform cost...hm... 11:52:14 <Ammler> dragonhorseboy: changing basecosts on a running game isn't that easy, afaik. 11:52:36 <dihedral> + why dont you ask danmack himself? 11:52:51 <dragonhorseboy> ammler..its a fresh new map 11:53:01 <dragonhorseboy> I was just trying to test the various parameters before starting a server 11:53:19 <Ammler> a fresh new map is already a running game :-) 11:53:45 <dragonhorseboy> hmm just thought..maybe rebooting ottd would help... 11:54:25 <dragonhorseboy> huh .. no it doesn't not even for terraform set to 255 11:54:40 <dragonhorseboy> hmm..basecost must be broken..lets see what happens when its gone 11:54:40 <Ammler> last time a "played" with base costs, it was easiest with saving difficulty settings, not sure, if that still works. 11:56:45 <dragonhorseboy> hmm yeah looks like basecost just didn't like can*.grf perhaps .. the terraform cost is back to default now 11:57:07 <dragonhorseboy> oh well..I changed difficulity to high costs to do for now :P 11:57:20 <Rubidium> can*.grf are designed to be NOT used with any other NewGRFs 11:57:37 <dragonhorseboy> rubidium check the pdf readmes..they do mention being able to support other grfs 11:57:54 <Ammler> Rubidium: sounds like can*grf is designed to not used with OpenTTD ;-) 11:57:55 <dragonhorseboy> espcially at displaying included hq's if used with another hq grf too 11:58:14 <dragonhorseboy> and there's parameters for to support ecs industries instead 11:58:27 <dragonhorseboy> I could go on but better if you just read the pdfs themself 11:58:40 <Rubidium> where's the good old time that any other NewGRF was 'crap' etc? 11:58:59 <Rubidium> was probably back when they disabled themselves when they found OpenTTD ;) 11:59:35 <Rubidium> because we didn't react in a manner that pleases them on some feature requests 12:00:02 <dihedral> ^^ 12:01:01 <Ammler> dragonhorseboy: working grf presets: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/User:Ammler/NewGRF_Presets 12:01:04 <dragonhorseboy> well to put it...what if a building set introduced its own road tiles then later someone drew up a newer better one .. so thats where the parameter to disable there own roadset for third party one (in the building set) comes from :) 12:01:08 <Ammler> (but old :-) 12:01:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16766 /trunk/src/ (station.cpp station_base.h station_cmd.cpp): 12:01:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: remove station->MarkDirty. It is in all cases meant to only update 12:01:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: the sign and not invalidate the widget; the widget would be invalidated by a 12:01:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: call before/after the call to MarkDirty or it wouldn't make sense because e.g. 12:01:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: the window doesn't exist anymore/yet. 12:01:40 <dragonhorseboy> ammler heh 12:01:49 <dihedral> dragonhorseboy, idealy they should split stuff up into multiple grf's 12:04:20 <Ammler> dragonhorseboy: specially the opengfx were there for testing purposes only, can be removed on those lists. 12:05:54 <dragonhorseboy> well guess I'm just going start server as it is for now and fix the missing aspects later on 12:07:55 <Ammler> dragonhorseboy: are you banned from jointy's server, so you need to make your own server? 12:08:54 <dragonhorseboy> no..just that I thought of it yesterday afternoon while the server computers were still offline :) 12:09:25 <dragonhorseboy> it was too late to start one (only <7 hours of day remaining) so I decided to wait to start it this morning instead ... 14+ hours to play now) 12:09:30 <dragonhorseboy> :) 12:10:36 <dragonhorseboy> well its running now... should be able to find it in server list in a few minutes ;) 12:11:10 <dragonhorseboy> oh and I rechecked this fact before but all grfs are indeed findable in the ottdcoop grf package (beside one or two were only from Bananas tho) 12:12:13 <dragonhorseboy> oh shit..wait...forgot ISR -_- 12:12:15 <Ammler> if it is running now, it should be on the list now, afaik. 12:13:00 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 12:13:24 <dragonhorseboy> I had to reload it actually 12:13:24 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:13:31 <dragonhorseboy> so silly of me to forgot to add ISR to the grf list 12:13:32 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 12:13:35 <dragonhorseboy> :) 12:14:35 <Ammler> yeah, I am suprised, ISR isn't on top of the bananas stats. 12:14:49 <dragonhorseboy> I really love it .. use it many times on EVERY single map :) 12:14:54 <dragonhorseboy> espeically the mine loader 12:16:17 <dragonhorseboy> anyway if you're going take a look..don't be mindful of the slight different industries .. canset lets you import arctic industries into temperate (well..what is canada without any print works right?) 12:17:25 <dragonhorseboy> ;) 12:27:22 <yorick> dragonhorseboy: ISR is the most used multiplayer grf, next to the generic tram set 12:32:12 <Ammler> yorick: you still make stats with the python bot? 12:32:23 <yorick> Ammler: I made some yesterday 12:32:24 <Ammler> any page? 12:32:28 <yorick> nope ;) 12:32:38 * yorick lunch...brb 12:32:41 <Ammler> pastebin :P 12:46:59 <Belugas> hello 12:53:29 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 13:00:58 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.198.171] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:03:44 <yorick> ammler: http://pastebin.com/d785385bd 13:09:40 *** StarLionIsaac [~isaac@user-54459eb5.lns1-c13.telh.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:10:04 <dihedral> you have a minor flaw in that 13:10:20 <dihedral> 97/133 servers queried, 72.93 % 13:10:29 <dihedral> of 133 servers have a password 13:10:57 <dihedral> you cannot say that 133 servers are the 100% because you did not manage to query 36 of them 13:11:18 <dihedral> which makes your stats inaccurate 13:11:53 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-48-35.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:12:02 <Ammler> what's the reason, you didn't query them? 13:12:31 <Ammler> and still not many servers with newgrfs... :-/ 13:12:32 <dihedral> perhaps he got the ip's and ports from the master server, but they were in fact offline? 13:13:03 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-48-35.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 13:13:50 <yorick> dihedral: the part before the ###### is a status report ;) 13:14:05 <yorick> "the master server currently knows 133 servers, 133 are up, 133 could be queried" 13:15:20 <dihedral> then why were so many not queried? 13:16:06 <yorick> dihedral: they were, but some were still being queried in the part before ######## 13:18:35 <yorick> dihedral: maybe http://pastebin.com/m65eb935 will confuse you less 13:20:35 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83B85.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:21:04 <dragonhorseboy> back 13:22:26 <dihedral> yorick, :-P 13:22:40 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83ED7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:22:43 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 13:35:19 *** MizardX [~MizardX@81-224-42-23-no80.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 13:38:19 *** oskari89 [oskari89@88.193.124.243] has joined #openttd 13:40:07 <Belugas> those stats are for openttd's master server or another one? 13:40:39 <dragonhorseboy> well I'm off but I'll leave the game still running ;) 13:40:42 *** dragonhorseboy [~dragonhor@modemcable160.111-57-74.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [] 13:41:12 <Belugas> ho? dragonhorseboy is canadian. ho well... they are everywhere, nowaday 13:41:18 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 13:42:38 <Muxy> good afternoon for CET 13:45:08 <Belugas> good morning from GMT-5 13:46:01 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:48:08 <SirSquid1ess> G'evening from GMT+10 (or 11... can't remember if we're in or out of DST atm..) 13:48:20 <yorick> Good afternoon from GMT+2 13:49:03 <yorick> oh hello Muxy, at least you don't kiss us anymore :) 13:50:22 <Muxy> hum, Kiss from Goulp 13:50:58 <Muxy> well, good morning for GMT-5 13:51:26 <yorick> :( 13:51:32 * yorick wipes it off 13:51:40 <Muxy> you dont like Goulp Kiss ? 13:51:45 <yorick> not quite 13:52:03 <Muxy> but the Goulp Kiss is not a French Kiss 13:52:13 <Muxy> Even if the goulp is in France 13:53:45 <yorick> ugh, goulps 13:53:50 * yorick goulps 13:54:18 <yorick> that's like the sound dead fish would make when they could make a sound 13:54:18 *** Progman [~progman@hep-1.E-Technik.Uni-Dortmund.DE] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:55:11 <Muxy> but my goulp is not a sound 13:55:15 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 13:57:20 <yorick> they all say that 13:58:02 <Muxy> who are they ? 13:58:08 <yorick> you 13:58:13 <Muxy> i'm not they 13:58:26 <yorick> yes you are! 13:58:42 <Muxy> my goulp is hell 13:58:51 <Muxy> like the original one 13:58:54 <yorick> and they al say that 13:59:05 <Muxy> and you always say that ? 13:59:56 <yorick> no 14:00:20 <Muxy> "le Goulp c'est l'Enfer" 14:01:25 <Belugas> dead fish make sounds? wow... zombies! 14:01:39 <yorick> Belugas: if they could make a sound ;) 14:01:44 <yorick> or it would be too realistic 14:02:11 <Belugas> yeah... right... 14:02:25 <yorick> yes, dead fish covered in snow would be too realistic 14:02:32 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 14:02:51 <Belugas> like.. if dinosaurs were alive, thet would climb on the trees when thunder sounds were heard... 14:03:30 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.173.205] has joined #openttd 14:03:42 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [] 14:04:01 <yorick> for example, yes 14:04:15 <yorick> and they would eat their soundmaking dead fish covered in snow until the thunder was over 14:05:02 <Belugas> WARNING WARNING WARNING!!!! ALL RUN FOR COVER!!!!! Yorick has smoked illegal stuff ONCE MORE!!!!! WARNING WARNING WARNING!!!!! 14:05:48 <Muxy> smoked fish... salmon ? 14:06:43 *** StarLionIsaac [~isaac@user-54459eb5.lns1-c13.telh.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Going off to cause trouble] 14:07:25 *** Azrael is now known as Guest434 14:07:34 <yorick> Belugas: no, I'm always like that 14:07:40 <yorick> or sometimes 14:08:05 <Belugas> haa.a. you are... sorry, i lost habit... 14:09:36 *** codewolf [~codewolf@82-168-66-219.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:09:52 <codewolf> heya peoples 14:09:57 <yorick> heya codewolfs 14:09:59 <codewolf> :) 14:10:14 <fonsinchen> Bah, I see now, why that other smallmap zooming patch features a complete rewrite of the smallmap drawing algorithm. 14:10:16 <Muxy> yeha you 14:10:22 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.218.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:10:33 <fonsinchen> The current implementation is just too messy to fix. 14:10:59 <codewolf> had a small question, trying to install a daylenght path but its bitching about a settings.h file. i cant find it and was wondering if it got renamed or removed in a newer version or something 14:11:34 <yorick> Belugas: and it would be lega 14:11:35 <yorick> l 14:13:00 <Rubidium> if you want to install a patch install it to the version the patch was made for 14:14:12 <codewolf> ah oke so i really need to keep a eye on the version number when using a patch. guess that makes sense :) 14:14:50 <codewolf> was doing quite well untill it tried to find that header file, i was having some hope it would just go trough :) 14:16:20 <Eddi|zuHause> hey... forum is de-403-ed :) 14:16:32 <codewolf> is kind of off tough, the cpp files are present in the tar but not the matching header 14:16:41 <Eddi|zuHause> and that's only a "not found" away from a palindrome... 14:18:43 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.173.205] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:19:05 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.173.205] has joined #openttd 14:25:17 <Belugas> which is not the same as an aerodrome 14:25:46 <petern> cleesedrome 14:25:52 <Eddi|zuHause> no... palindromes are only for cool people 14:31:56 <Belugas> ho... and for the others, it's syndrome? 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15:36:46 <Chruker> -Merge: tomatos and bananas left to be, here is NoAI for all to see. 15:39:06 <dihedral> that is OLD 15:39:40 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Quit: Quit] 15:40:02 <yorick> tomatos to be 15:40:59 <Belugas> to be do be 15:41:06 <Belugas> to beer, do beer 15:42:14 <Rubidium> to code or not to code, that's the question ;) 15:43:37 <Rubidium> or for Belugas: two beer or be here, that's the question 15:43:41 <petern> not 15:43:53 <planetmaker> music! :) 15:43:58 <petern> ding 15:44:05 <Rubidium> -a-dong 15:44:20 <Prof_Frink> Put your dong away. 15:44:36 <Belugas> bang a gong 15:45:13 <Rubidium> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oUZLV_GdZw <- really... it was on German TV too? 15:46:49 <planetmaker> given the shown broadcast year, I have no way to know :) 15:48:53 <Rubidium> planetmaker: I'm just assuming ZDF is German 15:49:07 <planetmaker> yes it is 15:49:22 <planetmaker> Must be pretty new back then, I think... 15:49:35 <Rubidium> oh, but you might've seen it on TV 15:49:41 <planetmaker> oh, well. They started in 1967 with ZDF 15:49:41 <Belugas> [11:43] <@Rubidium> or for Belugas: two beer or be here, that's the question <--- yeah... like... gimme two beers and let get get out of "here" 15:50:18 <Rubidium> the ZDF Dokukanal began reruns in 2007 starting with episodes from 1975 15:50:50 <planetmaker> :) I don't own any TV anymore since ~2006 15:51:24 <Rubidium> and that means you are totally unable to watch TV? 15:52:20 <planetmaker> it doesn't mean that. 15:52:50 <planetmaker> But it implies that I spend quite a tiny amount of time watching TV. Least obscure channels :) 15:53:03 <planetmaker> But granted, it is supposedly not the worst one afaik 15:53:38 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: ZDF Dokukanal is only available via digital tv, and practically nobody has that... 15:54:46 <Eddi|zuHause> and i did not get ZDF before 1989 15:56:51 <planetmaker> ARD = ausser Raum Dresden? 15:57:38 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:57:39 <Rubidium> poor Eddi|zuHause :) 15:58:10 <Rubidium> I couldn't watch RTL since uhm... this April ;) 15:58:11 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i said zdf 15:58:19 <Eddi|zuHause> we did get ARD 15:58:53 <Eddi|zuHause> and no, i was not near dresden 15:59:08 <Eddi|zuHause> that was called "Tal der Ahnungslosen" for a reason ;) 15:59:37 <planetmaker> I know and I know :) 16:00:00 <planetmaker> And I didn't know to the middle statement :) 16:00:48 <Eddi|zuHause> that's a weird statement, considering i gave 4 statements 16:01:42 *** MizardX [~MizardX@81-224-42-23-no80.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:03:36 <planetmaker> :P 16:03:56 <planetmaker> The first appeared in different (highlight) colour and doesn't count in my enumeration scheme employed :P 16:04:23 <planetmaker> nvm. :) Getting pretty weired :P 16:06:48 <planetmaker> I don't want to upload useless stuff. Does bananas accept an upload in a zip or tar file which contains everything for a new version (grf, readme, license)? 16:07:56 *** [com]buster_ [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:08:22 *** [com]buster_ [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:11:07 <Eddi|zuHause> you mean you want a batch-upload feature? 16:11:49 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, no, I don't want a feature. I just want to know what I have to create with the target 'make bananas' :) 16:11:58 <planetmaker> for the NewGRF projects. 16:12:23 <planetmaker> e.g. can I just zip everything which goes there or is it no use at all to zip or tar it? 16:12:38 <planetmaker> may I use a dir in the zip or tar - or may I not? 16:12:57 <Eddi|zuHause> i can't help you with that 16:13:04 <Rubidium> well, that'd imply you use a custom license; selecting any other assumes there isn't a license file AFAIK 16:13:22 *** MizardX [~MizardX@81-224-42-23-no80.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 16:14:04 <DaleStan> Wait, what? Selecting GPL means that the uploader does not upload (distribute) with a copy of the GPL? 16:14:26 <Rubidium> just putting a readme.txt and the grf is probably enough 16:14:49 <Eddi|zuHause> DaleStan: all places that such a file could go already have a GPL copy 16:14:55 <Rubidium> DaleStan: does that matter for the author? 16:15:34 <DaleStan> Rubidium: It does if the uploader doesn't have the rights to distribute without a copy of the GPL. (i.e. doesn't have copyright to the entire file.) 16:15:47 <DaleStan> Eddi|zuHause: GPL 2 and 3 both? 16:16:02 <planetmaker> Rubidium, but may I upload them in a joint tar or zip? 16:16:15 <planetmaker> e.g. one upload instead of two or three? 16:16:36 <Rubidium> huh, two or three uploads? 16:16:39 <planetmaker> well... maybe such target is nonsense. But some people would like it :) 16:16:48 <Rubidium> you never have used bananas, have you? 16:16:51 <planetmaker> Rubidium, <name>.grf, readme.txt 16:17:01 <planetmaker> Rubidium, only for a single upload of a heightmap. 16:17:22 <Rubidium> planetmaker: then you would've noticed there's only one upload field 16:18:04 <planetmaker> hm... true. 16:18:33 <planetmaker> may the tar have paths inside? 16:18:41 <Sacro> DaleStan: tt-forums seems to have no concept of attaching the GPL with a download 16:18:48 <Sacro> i've reported so many binaries because of it 16:18:50 <Rubidium> planetmaker: don't think so 16:19:21 <planetmaker> ok, because that's something needed to know :) 16:19:55 <DaleStan> Sacro: TT-forums allow archives, though. The idea I got is that Bananas does not. 16:19:59 <Rubidium> planetmaker: but then, I'm not 100% sure about it 16:20:27 <Rubidium> DaleStan: bananas allows archives, it's only a bit pickier than tt-forums 16:20:34 <planetmaker> hm... 16:20:54 <Rubidium> e.g. you need to either have a license or copying file in the archive or select one to be added to that archive 16:21:01 *** Brianetta [~brian@sarah.ppcis.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:21:16 <DaleStan> Then I retract my objections. 16:22:29 <Rubidium> though I'm not sure how the corner case 'archive with license + selecting the non-custom license' works, whether that ditches the license or rejects it 16:23:01 <Rubidium> but all files distributed via bananas have a license or copying file 16:23:34 <planetmaker> :) 16:24:27 <planetmaker> I'm amazed. Nearly 8.5k downloads of the stuipd Marsian elevation map I uploaded... 16:24:45 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 16:25:26 <Rubidium> planetmaker: so there've been 8500 people that've selected everything they could get their hands on? :) 16:26:04 <Eddi|zuHause> why did nobody ever put a "download internet" button into a browser? 16:26:26 *** Brianetta [~brian@sarah.ppcis.org] has joined #openttd 16:27:16 <planetmaker> most probable, yes 16:27:34 <petern> y 16:27:45 <Rubidium> hmm, lets calculate when we'll hit 2 million downloads via bananas 16:28:55 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:29:36 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:29:56 <Rubidium> I'd estimate that to be around next sunday around 18:00 16:30:11 <Brianetta> Bananas is the in-game content system, right? 16:30:12 <planetmaker> :O 16:30:25 <Rubidium> Brianetta: yes 16:30:51 <Brianetta> Might be illuminating to record the amount downloaded in bytes (: 16:30:58 <Rubidium> 1 million was 15th of May 16:31:24 <Rubidium> Brianetta: that we don't record, but... it can be calculated 16:32:54 <Brianetta> This laptop battery is only capable of a 28% charge. That sucks, but it was free. 16:33:04 <planetmaker> :P 16:33:11 <Brianetta> I also got one that can do 75%, which beats my original battery's 70% 16:33:20 <Brianetta> Score. 16:34:18 <planetmaker> Queue.BinaryHeap 1 28954 times <-- winner in terms of downloads per single version 16:36:25 <Rubidium> Brianetta: 811.238.547.698 bytes, or almost 420.000 bytes per file 16:37:30 <planetmaker> wow 16:37:57 *** severb [~severb@188.24.148.203] has joined #openttd 16:38:29 <Rubidium> would mean it's about half of the used bandwidth 16:38:46 <Rubidium> which makes sense as the bandwidth usage roughly doubled since 0.7 16:40:06 <Belugas> 2 MILLION downloads???? 16:40:08 <Belugas> fuck 16:40:10 <Belugas> what a feature! 16:41:00 <Rubidium> @calc 2000000/300 16:41:00 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 6666.66666667 16:41:18 <Rubidium> would only mean about 7000 people downloading everything they could download 16:41:32 <z-MaTRiX> @calc sqr(sqrt(-1)) 16:41:32 <DorpsGek> z-MaTRiX: Error: 'sqr' is not a defined function. 16:41:41 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 16:41:48 <z-MaTRiX> @calc sqrt(-1)*sqrt(-1) 16:41:48 <DorpsGek> z-MaTRiX: -1 16:41:54 <planetmaker> :) 16:41:56 <z-MaTRiX> ye 16:42:10 <planetmaker> @calc sqrt(-1) 16:42:10 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: i 16:42:35 <dihedral> @calc i * i 16:42:35 <DorpsGek> dihedral: -1 16:42:37 <dihedral> hihi 16:42:46 <dihedral> clever little bitch of TB 16:42:48 <Rubidium> given that there are about 50.000 downloads a month, only a small percentage downloads something 16:42:50 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [] 16:42:59 <z-MaTRiX> sqrt(sqrt(-1)) 16:43:02 <z-MaTRiX> <; 16:43:08 <planetmaker> hm. True and sad :) 16:43:16 <dihedral> and brain 16:43:18 <z-MaTRiX> @calc sqrt(sqrt(-1)) 16:43:18 <DorpsGek> z-MaTRiX: 0.707106781187+0.707106781187i 16:43:27 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fdc88.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:43:29 <dihedral> now go play with the bot in a private message will you? 16:46:52 *** MizardX [~MizardX@81-224-42-23-no80.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:46:59 *** MizardX [~MizardX@81-224-42-23-no80.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 16:53:48 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@2a01:270:dd00:7700:404:dead:beef:cafe] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:55:49 *** jaachanor [~joachim@244.81-166-176.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 16:56:01 <Rubidium> the average number of selected 'things' per download is only 2 and the download massive amounts of NewGRFs don't seem to happen that much lately 16:56:20 <Rubidium> so everyone's just moved updating the content now 16:59:03 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/stats.pdf <- visualisation of the download numbers 16:59:14 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:36 <Eddi|zuHause> could use a few descriptions ;) 17:01:25 <Rubidium> use a 'better' pdf reader ;) 17:01:49 <Eddi|zuHause> that might be an issue... 17:02:04 <Rubidium> like xpdf 17:04:08 <Eddi|zuHause> kpdf might lack a few advanced features... i noticed that previously when my father sent me an annotated pdf 17:05:14 <Rubidium> for what it's worth: number of binary downloads a day, average downloads per week day, average downloads per hour, bananas downloads a day 17:05:39 <frosch123> hooray! the g8 want to enact a law, which limits global heating by 2 degree. let's see how they will punish it if the global heating infringes. 17:06:21 <Rubidium> Fahrenheit or Kelvin/Celsius? 17:06:38 <frosch123> K/?C 17:06:53 *** Brianetta [~brian@sarah.ppcis.org] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 17:07:19 <Rubidium> or degrees based on a 10 centimeter high thermometer with 1 degree C per millimeter at a distance of 1 kilometer 17:07:45 <frosch123> imo flooding should also be disallowed 17:09:04 <Eddi|zuHause> in the last graph, there are two jumps, one in early april is the release of 0.7.0, but what's the earlier one mid february? 17:09:06 <Rubidium> they'll just rename floods to flushes; heavy rainfall flushed Bangladesh, a hurricane flushed the lower parts of New Orlean 17:09:52 <jaachanor> is the "plane overtaking" by separating planes in height by their max speed supposed to work? 17:09:57 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: the first jump is beta, the second jump (mid march) is rc, the third is stable 17:10:17 <Eddi|zuHause> the middle one is less noticeable 17:10:27 <severb> greetings, I'm trying to understand how signals work and I would like to ask for some help, is posting a link to an image allowed? 17:10:39 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 17:10:41 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 17:10:53 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe the line is confusing, it could be a step-function for each block 17:11:38 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: please tell me how to do that automagically in oocalc 17:11:44 <Eddi|zuHause> ;) 17:12:31 <Rubidium> in the first graph you can see the week of Christmas too as anomaly 17:12:38 <Eddi|zuHause> piecewise functions you can usually do with IF(x<a, f(x), g(x)) 17:13:01 <severb> guys, can you please help me? :-) 17:13:06 <yorick> maybe 17:13:36 <Rubidium> why would linking to images be disallowed if linking to pdfs is allowed? 17:13:45 <Eddi|zuHause> severb: a) please do not ask to ast, b) how many signal tutorials have you read? 17:14:04 <severb> Eddi|zuHause: I've read all I could find on wiki about signals 17:14:17 <Eddi|zuHause> "all i could find" is not an answer 17:14:22 <Yexo> hello 17:14:27 <Eddi|zuHause> for all we know, you found nothing 17:14:41 <Eddi|zuHause> and you still have not shown us your problem 17:14:45 <severb> oh, there are some pages on wiki about signals 17:14:55 <yorick> ... 17:14:58 <severb> I like to ask if it's ok to post a link before doing it 17:14:59 <jaachanor> does it work for anyone? 17:14:59 <severb> http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/7459/clujnapocatransport22ma.png 17:15:16 <yorick> serverb: yes, and 17:15:20 <Eddi|zuHause> and we are annoyed by people who ask if they are allowed to do something 17:15:37 <yorick> what is your question 17:15:40 <severb> so, I would like to place the signals in such a way that either the two trains form A to go to B one after the other 17:15:52 <Rubidium> jaachanor: you probably won't even see the height separation 17:15:54 <severb> or the two from B to go to A 17:16:17 <yorick> serverb, so basically you don t want them to crash into eachother? 17:16:31 <severb> no, I don't want them to intersect in the middle and turn back 17:16:34 <jaachanor> Rubidium: i thought that was the point of it? so they wouldn't "glide" through eachother? 17:16:52 <Eddi|zuHause> severb: you need to place the signals in the middle in a way so they overlap each other 17:16:54 <yorick> serverb, use path signals 17:17:04 <severb> path signals? 17:17:11 <yorick> or listen to Eddi, that's probably wiser :) 17:18:23 <severb> Eddi|zuHause: the idea is in the moment the first train leaves for example train1 all the trains in the other station can't go, until train 1 arrives 17:18:26 <Eddi|zuHause> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Klein%20Elsmuenster%20Transport,%2023.%20Maer%201942.png <- try it like here on the middle track 17:18:30 <Rubidium> jaachanor: planes are a mess w.r.t. bounding boxes; their bounding box is about the size of the cock pit, making it very likely that they swap when one is faster than the other 17:18:40 <severb> and eventually train 2 can follow train 1 17:18:56 <jaachanor> Rubidium: i see 17:19:41 <jaachanor> i think i remember them being separated noticably, but it might have been a patch 17:20:00 <Eddi|zuHause> severb: you understand the picture? one in the end, two in the middle facing each other, one in the other end 17:20:37 <Rubidium> as for the drawing algorithm they are not touching, thus there's no need to determine which one is closer to the camera. Besides that at all distances they are equally big so you can't see which one is closer when they don't overlap 17:20:41 <Eddi|zuHause> must be the ones allowing traffic through the back 17:20:45 <severb> Eddi|zuHause: I'm having a hard time to understand it, I'm a noob :-) 17:21:05 <Eddi|zuHause> right click the signals in the signal gui to get a description 17:21:51 <severb> already tried that, but thanks anyway I'll give it another try maybe I get lucky 17:22:32 <severb> is there a good tutorial about signals? 17:23:30 <yorick> serverb, http://transporttycoon.net/rail1 <-- this, but it's old 17:23:49 <Eddi|zuHause> http://uwe.s2000.ws/ttdx/signal/index.php 17:24:02 <severb> thanks a lot 17:24:16 <Eddi|zuHause> http://uwe.s2000.ws/ttdx/signal/yapp.php <- better this one 17:37:30 *** MizardX [~MizardX@81-224-42-23-no80.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:43:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r16767 /trunk/src/ai/api/ (ai_tile.cpp ai_tile.hpp): -Fix [NoAI] (r16524): AITile::GetCargoProduction/Acceptance didn't accept a radius of 0 anymore 17:46:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r16768 /trunk/src/lang/ (6 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 17:46:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:46:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 2 changes by planetmaker 17:46:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: persian - 38 changes by Gajet9 17:46:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: romanian - 10 changes by kkmic 17:46:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: serbian - 93 changes by etran 17:46:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: slovak - 2 changes by James 18:10:31 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm186.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:11:57 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host129-239-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:12:06 <Wolf01> hello :D 18:13:39 <yorick> hello :D 18:17:23 *** severb [~severb@188.24.148.203] has left #openttd [] 18:17:44 <Belugas> hi Wolf01. never mind yorick, he smoked some stuff. Again 18:18:50 <Wolf01> how is going on? 18:19:55 <Belugas> it's going on buzy, as usual... and yuo? 18:20:19 *** Wammler [59d98b4b@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 18:20:47 <Wolf01> the days don't have enough hours to do everything :P 18:21:05 <Wammler> just liked to install openttd on windows vista, that is how the readme looks: http://img.ammler.ch/images/readme.jpg 18:21:21 <Wammler> http://img.ammler.ch/images/readme.jpg 18:21:24 <Wammler> hmm 18:21:51 <Wolf01> that's because notepad is broken 18:22:11 <tokai> it probably only can handle MS DOS linefeeds 18:23:28 <yorick> Wammler: make bundle should fix it first ;) 18:24:15 <Wammler> yorick: I won't install devtools on that maschine 18:24:39 <Belugas> Wammler, try Notepad2, or Notepad++ 18:24:46 <Prof_Frink> Or wordpad. 18:24:54 <Belugas> indeed 18:25:09 <yorick> or notepad++ 18:25:22 <Prof_Frink> Or kate. Or vim. 18:25:34 <Belugas> by the way, congrats, Wammler... you're among the few ones wo actually are trying to read the readme file... 18:25:39 <Wammler> well, shouldn't the readme somehow easy be readable? 18:25:45 <Belugas> yorick, that's what I said :S 18:25:54 <yorick> Belugas: I know 18:25:56 <Belugas> Wammler, it is readable 18:26:14 <Belugas> just that notepad is awfully shitty 18:26:17 <Wammler> Belugas: thanks 18:26:26 <Wammler> (I am Ammler on web) 18:26:41 <planetmaker> :O 18:26:56 * yorick thought of ammler on windows 18:27:12 <Wammler> yorick: windows and irc client? 18:27:44 <yorick> Wammler: well I can do it ;) 18:32:48 <Belugas> identity theft... 18:34:14 <Wammler> I have sample.cat and opengfx in C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Documents\OpenTTD\data 18:34:30 <Wammler> now, I should be able to start, shouldn't I? 18:35:01 <Belugas> yes no maybe 18:35:34 <dihedral> Ammler: you just had the readme open, it tells you where it looks for those files! 18:36:02 <Wammler> yes, isn't that the correct location? 18:36:09 <dihedral> read it! 18:37:17 <Wammler> 204 3. The shared directory 18:37:28 <Wammler> Windows: C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Documents\OpenTTD 18:37:34 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-0-123-9.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 18:38:35 <dihedral> well there you have it then! :-) 18:38:55 <Wammler> doesn't find sample.cat there 18:39:09 <yorick> wwottdgd2 was one year ago - 4 days 18:39:14 <yorick> time for a new one? 18:39:25 <Belugas> a coffee? yes indeed 18:39:27 <Belugas> thaks 18:39:29 <Belugas> +n 18:40:17 <planetmaker> yorick, but *someone* has to do it :) 18:40:21 <dihedral> yorick, who actually cares :-P 18:40:25 <Belugas> Ammler, if you have a openttd.cfg somewhere, better remove it and restart 18:40:27 <Belugas> i think 18:40:52 <dihedral> yeah - you cannot just move your config to another location than your data folder 18:40:52 <yorick> planetmaker, you are a someone? 18:40:57 <Wammler> Belugas: this maschine never saw a openttd before 18:41:06 <yorick> machine* 18:41:07 <dihedral> yorick, neither pm nor me this year 18:41:15 <yorick> ;) 18:41:41 <Wammler> I just downloaded and executed the openttd 18:41:41 <dihedral> Wammler, does not mean that the config could be created in another place :-P 18:41:58 <Wammler> it works iwth the sample.cat in the binary location. 18:42:00 <dihedral> then you should have a look for the config in you personal Documents folder 18:42:45 <Wammler> well, nvm. I just wanted an alternative to solitaire here :-) 18:45:14 <Belugas> sudoku 18:45:17 <Wammler> I might be the first, who tried to install it systemwide on windows 18:50:57 <frosch123> sudoku is boring 18:53:50 <Belugas> well... since i discover it, i still like it a lot :) WebSudoku, Evil level. Print two, am good for traveling home. Daily routine :) 18:54:10 <frosch123> http://www.janko.at/Raetsel/index.htm <- there is so much more interesting stuff 18:57:35 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 19:04:59 <Belugas> miam 19:11:06 <yorick> http://xkcd.com/356/ :) 19:14:14 <KenjiE20> lol 19:14:44 <frosch123> intersting problem there btw., i guess it is some famous problem, isn't it? 19:18:41 <Xaroth> http://xkcd.com/371/ 19:18:54 <yorick> frosch123: try looking at the alt-text 19:21:00 <Rubidium> Wammler: what exact version of OpenTTD did you download? 19:21:24 <Eddi|zuHause> omg... i have been reading xkcd for how many years now? i never noticed that there's an alt-text 19:21:30 <dihedral> hehe IS2-beta3? :-D 19:22:28 <frosch123> well, I guess either the solution is 0 or some irrational number 19:22:45 <Aali> Eddi|zuHause: wow, you just missed half the jokes 19:23:51 <Wammler> Rubidium: r16521 19:24:01 <Wammler> 621 19:24:24 <Rubidium> and then the win9x, win32 or win64 version? 19:24:48 <Wammler> win32 19:24:49 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: fail! ;) 19:25:18 <Wammler> http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r16621/openttd-trunk-r16621-windows-win32.zip 19:26:34 <Eddi|zuHause> no, i am not just going through 600 comics and checking the alt-texts 19:27:06 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause: Yes, you are. 19:27:29 <Eddi|zuHause> NO!! I'M NOT !!1!1!einself 19:28:16 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm quite certain i have not seen all the comics anyway 19:28:56 <Wammler> is shift-1 = "!" on german keyboard? 19:29:08 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 19:29:18 <Sacro> shift-1? 19:29:24 <Sacro> surely shift+1 19:29:28 <Prof_Frink> Capital 1. 19:29:29 <Eddi|zuHause> he means shift+1 ;) 19:29:55 <Wammler> sacro, how do you type shift-1? 19:30:51 <Eddi|zuHause> Wammler: it's a standard notation, "a+b" if you press two keys simultaneously, "a,b" if you press them one after another 19:30:51 <Wammler> (what else could you mean?) 19:31:39 <Wammler> maybe, I didn't use it because on my keyboard shift+1 is "+" :-) 19:31:41 <Prof_Frink> c-a c 19:31:57 <Prof_Frink> Wammler: Your keyboard's broken. 19:32:29 <Wammler> oh, you mean, all my spelling errors are because of my broken keyboard? 19:32:43 <frosch123> ?-shift=ss 19:32:52 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-136-210.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:33:13 <frosch123> ^^ quite troublesome equation 19:33:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16769 /trunk/Makefile.msvc: -Fix: win32 and win64 binary packages wouldn't get their readme converted to DOS line endings 19:33:25 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: that's assuming that the operation is commutative ;) 19:33:40 <Wammler> \o/ windows bug fixed by linux user :P 19:33:53 <Wammler> s 19:34:43 <Wammler> that proves, windows users don't read readmes :-) 19:35:53 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@e181180035.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:36:01 <dihedral> Rubidium, since when? i mean - nobody notices anything like that as nobody ever reads it, but now that it's mentiond, i believe someone in the forums once mentioned something along those lines too 19:39:27 <frosch123> hmm, I should not have taken a look at the changeset :o 19:40:24 * Rubidium ponders whether to quote that 19:40:53 <dihedral> :-D 19:40:56 <dihedral> lol 19:42:51 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e181180035.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:42:51 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 19:44:51 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:54:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16770 /extra/masterserver_updater/src/shared/stdafx.h: [MSU] -Fix: compilation, by updating stdafx.h 19:56:10 *** Wammler [59d98b4b@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 19:56:43 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:16:28 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.115.161.138] has joined #openttd 20:20:13 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:20:13 *** [com]buster_ [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:20:16 *** [com]buster is now known as [com]buster_ 20:22:08 <andythenorth_> evening 20:26:43 <Muxy> good evening from/for CET DST 20:27:10 <Eddi|zuHause> that's called CEST 20:27:36 <Muxy> fine 20:29:02 <Muxy> i'm searching in the source code function used to compute requested good to make a town grow 20:29:30 <Eddi|zuHause> GrowTown? 20:30:17 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a simple check saying "if (arctic climate and no food, or tropic climate and not both food and water) return;" 20:31:21 <Muxy> meaning, for tropic, a town will grow only if there is food > 0 and water > 0 20:32:01 <planetmaker> Muxy: the town will tell you 20:32:20 <Muxy> yeap in the town window, i know 20:34:28 <Muxy> but i was searching for a more complex rule, regarding town population, you have to supply a minimum of cargo 20:34:45 <Eddi|zuHause> that does not exist 20:35:41 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: lies... 20:35:56 <Rubidium> if population < certain threshold it'll always grow 20:36:05 <Rubidium> regardless of whether it needs water/food 20:36:35 <Eddi|zuHause> ok, it's _slightly_ more complex, but not in a way that Muxy wanted ;) 20:36:44 <frosch123> also when it is funded :) 20:37:31 <Muxy> Well i found something here : UpdateTownGrowRate 20:37:58 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, that's it 20:46:48 *** HackaLittleBit [~HackaLitt@87.196.210.161] has joined #openttd 20:46:56 <HackaLittleBit> evenin 20:47:06 <yorick> evenin 20:47:16 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:47:38 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 20:48:27 <HackaLittleBit> hello 20:48:59 <Nite_Owl> Hello HackaLittleBit 20:49:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16771 /trunk/src/ai/api/ai_tilelist.hpp.sq: -Fix: API export was forgotten causing API to think variables were uint; doesn't matter much as int was converted to uint and then back. 21:01:42 <Muxy> well, i found the second part of my question... 21:02:37 <Wolf01> 'night 21:02:41 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host129-239-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:07:39 *** Azrael_ [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:08:28 <Chruker> hmm, does anybody have a chart/table over the different vehicles start, max and end reliabilities? 21:09:46 <Rubidium> wiki? 21:10:16 <Hirundo> reliabilities are randomized IIRC 21:10:59 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:12:56 <Rubidium> are the error messages in http://rbijker.net/openttd/fs3019.diff still correct for the English? 21:13:49 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 21:14:03 <Chruker> I couldnt find it via google nor the wiki 21:14:47 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fdc88.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:14:52 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.115.161.138] has quit [Quit: andythenorth_] 21:16:03 <Nite_Owl> They look correct to me Rubidium 21:18:06 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 21:19:13 *** Muxy [~benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:19:47 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 21:21:51 *** [com]buster_ [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:22:15 *** [com]buster_ [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:31:38 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:33:13 <Chruker> I vaguely recall reading somewhere that the vehicles have a reliability when they are introduced. It then increases to a certain maximum, and finally drops down again before they are obsolete. 21:34:50 <Rubidium> that sounds about right 21:36:35 <petern> yes, it is actually random 21:37:16 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 21:42:54 *** stuffcor1se [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 21:47:01 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:48:14 <Eddi|zuHause> the grf can roughly define which engines are more reliable and which ones are less. and the length of the high reliability period 21:49:18 <Chruker> Do you happen to have the grf doc at your fingertips? 21:50:34 <Chruker> nvm 21:51:11 <Eddi|zuHause> the DBSet readme says something about this stuff 21:51:24 <Eddi|zuHause> and there's the grf specs 21:51:32 <welshdragon> Prof_Frink: you just lost the game :D 21:53:36 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:54:40 <Prof_Frink> welshdragon: I am not Sacro. 21:54:50 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:54:54 <welshdragon> :( 21:55:02 <welshdragon> you did play the game 22:05:57 *** HackaBit [~HackaLitt@87.196.98.119] has joined #openttd 22:12:45 *** HackaLittleBit [~HackaLitt@87.196.210.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:13:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16772 /trunk/src/ (49 files in 4 dirs): -Fix [FS#3019]: don't use the same error message for turning around road vehicles and flipping parts of trains in the depot 22:14:22 <Eddi|zuHause> :o 22:23:00 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-0-123-9.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 22:25:36 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B8ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:30:57 *** HackaBit [~HackaLitt@87.196.98.119] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:31:08 *** HackaBit [~HackaLitt@87.196.98.119] has joined #openttd 22:33:23 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-544557e5.lns5-c11.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:59:16 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:59:53 *** HackaBit [~HackaLitt@87.196.98.119] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:04:49 *** stuffcor1se [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:07:41 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:09:53 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 23:12:58 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:23:46 <SirSquidness> So, what did you think of <local sporting event> last night? I really thought <away team> were too good for <home team>, but it was still a good match. 23:32:13 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@nude.lesbianbath.com] has joined #openttd 23:32:21 <z-MaTRiX> hey-ho 23:33:03 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7786F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:33:22 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DAE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:34:35 <Sacro> I think i just found a bug... 23:34:36 <Sacro> not sure 23:34:45 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.105.14] has joined #openttd 23:34:58 <Gleeb_> Sacro: Oh? 23:35:49 <Sacro> hmm, that or i might have left clone clicked 23:37:31 <Gleeb_> haha 23:45:24 *** fonsinchen1 [~alve@BAE8bc6.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 23:51:10 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEa965.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:51:20 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e181180035.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 23:56:20 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.]