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01:55:31 <Aali> as in, I can't modify a train that is in the depot while another one is still entering 01:55:45 <Aali> because the red flag is still green 01:56:02 <Aali> only when the last train has fully entered the depot do they really stop 01:56:09 <Aali> in r17057 01:56:14 <Rubidium> train or wagon? 01:57:36 <Rubidium> I can just modify trains that are stopped in the depot when another train enters 01:57:47 <Rubidium> can't modify non-stopped trains though 01:57:49 <Aali> well 01:58:19 <Aali> the problem is that a train that has fully entered the depot hasn't stopped, because another one is entering 01:58:43 <Aali> once the second train enters, they both stop 01:59:21 <Rubidium> that doesn't make sense 01:59:26 <Aali> I know 01:59:29 <Aali> thats why I asked 01:59:36 <Rubidium> because the distance between trains is quite large 01:59:40 <Aali> it shouldn't be happening 01:59:47 <Aali> but somehow it did 02:00:29 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:00:39 <Rubidium> got a savegame somewhere? 02:01:28 <Aali> it may be relevant that both trains were going for autoreplace first, then were told to go to nearest depot (before they reached it) 02:01:35 <Aali> I'll try to reproduce it 02:01:52 <Aali> got it 02:03:42 <Aali> http://backup.ninjaloot.se/share/42321.sav 02:04:04 <Aali> required newgrfs should be available via content service 02:04:39 <Aali> train 14 is in the depot, train 23 is entering 02:04:55 <Aali> they both have green flags and they both stop once train 23 is in the depot 02:05:08 <Rubidium> got a save from just before this happens? 02:05:38 <Aali> no but I was able to reproduce it easily 02:06:02 <Aali> I'll see what I can do 02:07:31 <Rubidium> I can 'reproduce' the 'output', but in my case it's kind of valid; when a train enters start another train and order it to go into the depot 02:07:53 <Aali> well, thats not what I did 02:07:58 <Aali> atleast not directly 02:10:31 * Rubidium is off to bed though 02:11:23 <Aali> hmm, it's easily reproducable by letting a train go halfway out the depot and then tell it to go back in while another train is waiting to go in at the signal 02:11:47 <Aali> thats not what I did to trigger it originally, but there's obivously some kind of issue here 02:11:53 <Aali> *obviously 02:34:38 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host81-129-81-193.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:41:56 *** GregVernon [~Greg@user-0c9aat3.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:04:24 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEcfc9.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:08:15 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:12:28 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:38:45 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:40:09 *** GregVernon [~Greg@user-0c9aat3.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 03:42:37 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:48:37 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-98-249-11-38.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 04:10:17 *** Lakie` [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:10:26 *** TheStarLion [~isaac@90.241.208.239] has joined #openttd 05:14:24 *** reldred [~Richard_E@wirele5.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #openttd 05:27:01 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 05:35:44 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 05:38:39 *** Wolle [DrJekyll@p57B0DA2A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.lagerwiki.de - das Wiki rund um's Thema Lager und Logistik] 05:45:24 *** TheStarLion [~isaac@90.241.208.239] has quit [Quit: Now off to cause trouble] 06:13:35 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.74.135] has joined #openttd 06:16:38 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 06:20:55 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.74.135] has left #openttd [] 06:23:33 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 06:24:54 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:25:07 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 06:26:28 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:36:20 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C138.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:39:09 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C138.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:49:37 <dihedral> dumdidum 06:51:34 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:14:36 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=44637 <- wtf? 07:21:33 <pavel1269> QA: 74ticks :-) 07:21:40 <pavel1269> dunno why he wonders ... 07:26:03 *** OcTic [~jerh@dsl-145-150-160.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 07:26:09 *** reldred [~Richard_E@wirele5.lnk.telstra.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:26:15 *** LordAzamath [~rightwing@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 07:37:33 *** DPyro [ad4a9c0c@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 07:39:11 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:55:09 <TrueBrain> WASSUP!!!! 07:56:00 <TrueBrain> (that was scary, right?) 07:59:43 <Noldo_> (no) 08:00:11 <TrueBrain> I hate you 08:01:05 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:01:10 <TrueBrain> morning Alberth 08:01:13 <Noldo_> *sob* 08:01:16 <Alberth> good morning 08:03:08 <Alberth> TrueBrain: the HG repo does not have the last 2 revisions, maybe something dropped dead? 08:05:41 <TrueBrain> who knows 08:05:53 <TrueBrain> yeah, process was killed 08:06:24 <welshdragon> Good Morning #openttd 08:09:31 <TrueBrain> something is broken .. 08:09:40 <TrueBrain> abort: journal already exists - run hg recover! 08:09:41 <TrueBrain> svn: URL 'file:///var/repos/svn/openttd/3rdparty' non-existent in that revision 08:11:31 <Alberth> wow 08:13:01 <TrueBrain> no idea why it tries to access 3rdparty 08:13:37 <Rubidium> probably something with not enough memory or so 08:13:58 <TrueBrain> now there is enough mem 08:14:04 <TrueBrain> still it tries to access 3rdparty dir 08:14:07 <TrueBrain> (I fixed the rest) 08:14:52 <TrueBrain> ah, fixed :) 08:16:45 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEcfc9.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 08:17:37 <Alberth> thank you! 08:17:48 <TrueBrain> you are very welcome 08:17:54 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: btw, short night? 08:18:07 <TrueBrain> k, hg and git are in sync again 08:18:24 <TrueBrain> there were a few permission errors :) 08:21:54 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: more sleeplessness 08:22:23 <TrueBrain> :s 08:22:39 * TrueBrain hits Rubidium with a brick, maybe that helps? :) 08:23:47 <blathijs> very considerate :-) 08:23:58 <TrueBrain> you know me ;) 08:26:14 * Rubidium bricks TB's xbox 08:26:51 <TrueBrain> what did he do wrng :( 08:26:58 <TrueBrain> he never did anything to deserve that :( 08:27:27 <Rubidium> stealing time you should've spent on other, more important, things 08:27:39 <TrueBrain> like? :p 08:28:25 <Rubidium> WT3, dune, ... 08:28:32 <TrueBrain> dune sucks!! 08:28:47 <TrueBrain> I can't find it ... it annoys the hell out of me .. 08:28:56 <TrueBrain> and WT3.1 is getting along just fine: http://www.noadddedsugar.net/ 08:29:00 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEcfc9.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:29:00 <TrueBrain> and WT3.1 is getting along just fine: http://www.noaddedsugar.net/ 08:29:02 <TrueBrain> typo :p 08:29:35 <blathijs> noaddedsugar? 08:29:47 <blathijs> Cool, you're porting WT to django? :-D 08:29:54 <TrueBrain> yeah .. I needed a temp domain, and dihedral had it :p 08:29:54 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 08:30:00 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:30:00 <TrueBrain> blathijs: WT3.0 is running on Django 08:30:08 <TrueBrain> so nothing to port, just to rewrite 08:30:16 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 08:30:35 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Ah, cool. Never knew that. 08:30:38 <blathijs> Yay for django :-) 08:30:39 <TrueBrain> :) 08:30:41 <TrueBrain> Yup 08:30:43 * dihedral likes the domain name ^^ 08:30:45 <TrueBrain> had a few drawbacks, but okay 08:30:55 <TrueBrain> it can give WAY too many and inefficient queries 08:31:06 <TrueBrain> and as WT3 is one big layer around the database .... it can be very slow 08:31:52 <blathijs> The instructions on the mainpage are slightly confusing, took me a bit to find out that the first "Start a project" means a django project, and the second means a WT project 08:32:06 <TrueBrain> yeah, it isn't meant to be clear :p 08:32:23 <Nite_Owl> Mwhahaha - Rise my minions - The time is ripe for us to attack 08:33:01 <blathijs> TrueBrain: True, but it still leaves the option open for custom SQL I think? Also, the lazyness of the SQL implementation makes it a lot more efficient than something similar in PHP I guess 08:33:06 <Nite_Owl> Ooops - sorry wrong channel 08:33:34 <TrueBrain> blathijs: yeah, but custom SQLs don't invalidate objects .. so all by all, a bit tricky :) 08:33:36 <blathijs> TrueBrain: What's the story behind the domain name? 08:33:46 <TrueBrain> best way I found so far is reading everything at once, and store it in a Python object 08:33:52 <TrueBrain> blathijs: dihedral had it unused, I needed a domain 08:33:53 <TrueBrain> 1 + 1 ;) 08:34:02 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Is WT already used by other projects? I see Civ4 and gettext in the feature list? 08:34:15 <TrueBrain> well, not used, just many interest 08:34:26 <TrueBrain> Debian translators and TortoiseSVN are on board 08:34:36 <blathijs> Nice :-) 08:34:51 <blathijs> I was already thinking of Debian translations, indeed 08:34:57 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 08:35:01 <TrueBrain> there were very ... enthousiastic :) 08:35:06 <TrueBrain> there = they 08:35:21 <dihedral> story behind the domain name: i was looking for a domain name, and saw a sainsburrie's lemon squash bottle, with a blue lable around it saying "no added sugar" 08:35:58 <Rubidium> that's lame story... 08:36:10 <blathijs> dihedral: You were just looking for a domain for your collection? :-p 08:36:23 <dihedral> i was working on a project at that time 08:36:29 <dihedral> a cms 08:36:38 <Rubidium> I like: TrueBrain is somewhat of a sugar junkie and in good spirit with his previous big OpenTTD project... 08:36:41 <dihedral> some 6 years ago 08:37:32 <dihedral> btw: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=807771#p807771 <- a nice, and honest reply Rubidium 08:40:48 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I like that too :) 08:40:56 <TrueBrain> truth is, I hope to own a much better domain in 60 more days 08:41:15 <TrueBrain> it takes so long before a domain drops .. even then the chances are incredible slim you will get the domain :( 08:43:30 *** DJ_Nekkid [~tmsmje@static128-249.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 08:46:16 <blathijs> TrueBrain: What domain? 08:46:28 *** DJNekkid [~tmsmje@static128-249.adsl.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:46:31 <TrueBrain> blathijs: not going to tell :p Else others might steal it :p 08:47:33 * dihedral knows :-P 08:47:44 <dihedral> how about i sell it to you TrueBrain :-D 08:48:04 <TrueBrain> I give you one dollar 08:48:19 <dihedral> nope... :-P 08:48:25 <dihedral> then i'll just park it with sedo :-D 08:48:33 <TrueBrain> ass 08:48:37 <dihedral> ^^ 08:51:51 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95.89.121.65] has joined #openttd 08:56:03 <TrueBrain> zweiKarl 08:56:13 <planetmaker> nKarl 08:56:26 <planetmaker> let's abstract a bit ;-) 08:56:30 * Rubidium votes for KeinKarl ;) 08:56:38 * TrueBrain seconds 09:02:44 <einKarl> KeinKarl ;) says Hello, Good Morning - and bye. CU 09:05:26 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95.89.121.65] has quit [] 09:15:27 <TrueBrain> weirdo 09:19:59 <dihedral> lol 09:26:35 *** nickman87 [~chatzilla@d54C3F29D.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:27:50 *** petern [~petern@lachesis.fuzzle.org] has joined #openttd 09:27:54 *** mode/#openttd [+o petern] by ChanServ 09:28:18 *** DJ_Nekkid [~tmsmje@static128-249.adsl.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:30:17 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 09:33:45 *** Lisby [~l@x1-6-00-17-3f-55-57-df.k467.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 09:41:08 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@host86-144-18-193.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:42:45 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEcfc9.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 09:43:53 <Rubidium> :O the return of the one and only real instance of Peter! 09:48:29 *** DJNekkid [~tmsmje@static217-26.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 09:48:56 *** Pygma [~quassel@88.151.27.234] has joined #openttd 09:48:58 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 09:51:48 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DBDF9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:52:48 *** Brianetta [~brian@sarah.ppcis.org] has joined #openttd 09:55:03 <petern> possibly 09:55:36 <petern> newgrf.cpp's list of text id changes might need to be expanded a bit since r17060/4... pom te pom 10:05:48 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.74.135] has joined #openttd 10:06:23 <andythenorth> dilemma! I have someone contributing FISH graphics unsolicited. They are ok, but not my taste. How do I say no and still be nice? 10:11:09 <Rubidium> just say no and tell him that if he wants to only draw stuff he should have a look at OpenGFX 10:14:53 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:59bb:d179:443e:c3e] has joined #openttd 10:14:56 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 10:15:58 *** Brianetta [~brian@sarah.ppcis.org] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 10:19:57 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEcfc9.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:27:18 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.74.135] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 10:28:24 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 10:28:50 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:28:51 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 10:54:39 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.20.159.115] has joined #openttd 11:01:06 *** Lisby [~l@x1-6-00-17-3f-55-57-df.k467.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 11:07:42 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:13:35 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C932.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:25:59 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 11:26:19 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 11:26:28 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:32:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17065 /trunk/src/lang/english.txt: -Codechange: reorder last 1/3 of the strings. Hope it makes a bit more sense now 11:33:35 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: now you may review the english language file :) 11:33:55 <Rubidium> or do a reorder commit ;) 11:34:28 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C932.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:45:55 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C138.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:46:45 <Eddi|zuHause> i think i'm going to screw up my system once again... 11:47:05 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DEE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:48:14 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 11:48:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17066 /trunk/src/lang/ (52 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: unify the order of {TINYFONT}/{BIGFONT} and {<colour>} 12:01:26 *** Westie [~westie@westie-cat.co.uk] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 12:04:10 *** Peter [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 12:10:50 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 12:10:58 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:13:33 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:13:51 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 12:16:34 *** tdev [~udev@p508EAEC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:17:45 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75552.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:19:20 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:19:32 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@c-68-82-181-52.hsd1.de.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 12:20:05 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.171.109] has joined #openttd 12:26:08 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:27:00 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.221.124] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:27:38 *** Peter is now known as PeterT 12:29:33 *** patco444 [~ASUS@212.25.60.98] has joined #openttd 12:29:45 *** patco444 [~ASUS@212.25.60.98] has left #openttd [] 12:30:03 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 12:31:08 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:35:59 <Belugas> hello 12:36:30 <Rubidium> hi Belugas 12:36:36 <planetmaker> salut Belugas 12:37:00 <Belugas> salut planetmaker, alors, ca boume ma poule? 12:37:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17067 /trunk/src/lang/english.txt: -Fix (r17064): local authority window got messed up a bit; also move OS names to a more logical place. 12:37:21 <Belugas> hello Rubidium and good day, Master of Puppets ;) 12:37:49 <Belugas> puppets... hang by strings... string commits... 12:37:55 * Belugas runs for coffee 12:38:29 <Rubidium> oh, I thought you were guessing the music I was listening too when I was doing that ;) 12:41:07 <Eddi|zuHause> "ca boume ma poule?" <- that sounds naughty... 12:43:19 <Eddi|zuHause> gaaah.... something screwed up and i lost all my filters :( 12:43:20 <planetmaker> I cannot say I can understand it either... A literal translation doesn't make sense 12:43:33 <Rubidium> translator tools can't make sense of it either 12:45:04 <Rubidium> even word-by-word translation fails :( 12:45:13 <glx> of course they fail :) 12:45:21 <planetmaker> :-) 12:45:35 <Rubidium> and my translation will probably be quite incorrect (unsafe for this channel though) 12:45:46 <planetmaker> it is some kind of fixed saying... but even then the dictionaries I checked don't know it. 12:49:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17068 /trunk/src/lang/english.txt: -Change: make a number of strings more consistent with their relatives 12:49:49 *** Elton03750 [~Delphi@201008145180.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #openttd 12:51:34 *** Elton03750 [~Delphi@201008145180.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:52:08 <Belugas> "ca boume" -> is it going well? "ma poule" -> my dear 12:52:15 <Belugas> buwahahaa 12:52:51 <Belugas> strange, Rubidium, i did not expected you to listen to heavy metal :) how surprising how little i know you ;) 12:53:30 <Rubidium> Belugas: the question is, when is something heavy metal? 12:54:08 <Eddi|zuHause> Belugas: yeah, but the phrase could be full of double meanings... 12:54:31 <Eddi|zuHause> for someone who doesn't know the cultural connotations 12:54:32 <Rubidium> so nothing with banging in your pool? 12:54:52 <Rubidium> Belugas: you know Apocalyptica? 12:57:12 *** tdev [~udev@p508EAEC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:57:14 <petern> praa, paa paa, pa pa, pa pa pa, paaa 12:57:40 <Eddi|zuHause> petern learns to talk? 12:57:57 <petern> it's from a flaming lips song 12:58:23 <Eddi|zuHause> Belugas: the "my dear" part i could find on leo, but not the "going well" part 12:59:59 <Eddi|zuHause> i only have one flaming lips song... 13:00:41 *** tdev [~udev@p508EAEC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:03:48 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEcfc9.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 13:04:19 *** Elton06665 [~Delphi@201008145180.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #openttd 13:05:00 <Belugas> Rubidium, yes, indeed. now it makes sens :) 13:05:36 <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause, it's the equivalent of slang, i'd say. but for french. but honestly, i'm not sure at all it's still used in France 13:05:45 <Belugas> that, glx would confirm :) 13:06:57 <Belugas> Elton, paul, Delph[Net], no matter how the nick is formed, the connection is still crap, as i can see 13:07:40 <glx> Belugas: it's very friendly :) 13:07:45 <glx> so not very used 13:10:39 <planetmaker> :-) 13:12:46 <Belugas> lol 13:12:49 <Belugas> ok :D 13:13:40 <petern> hmm, "heavy metal" 13:14:23 <planetmaker> Apocalyptica is just great. 13:16:27 <Pygma> Belugas: What language was "Ca boume ma poule"? 13:17:30 <Prof_Frink> Mmm, symphonic metal. 13:21:08 *** OcTic [~jerh@dsl-145-150-160.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:21:31 <Belugas> Pygma: french 13:21:50 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEcfc9.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:21:55 <Pygma> Oh, probably should've known that, since I did French in school, but was always terrible at languages :( 13:22:14 <Belugas> petern, if you think what i think, it's time to switch to DeathMole... 13:22:24 <petern> i think you're right 13:25:56 <Belugas> :D 13:26:13 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.76] has joined #openttd 13:35:41 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 13:36:05 *** mib_phmxfj [83b49fd0@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 13:36:48 *** Elton06665 [~Delphi@201008145180.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:36:52 *** mib_phmxfj is now known as Ilonaya 13:38:53 <Eddi|zuHause> so... i managed to salvage some of my filters from a trunkated file... but i'm sure i forgot some... 13:40:25 *** OcTic [~jerh@dsl-145-97-207.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 13:41:55 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:51:23 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B7548C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:54:33 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75552.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:02:33 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-157-92.watf.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 14:03:22 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-248-075-030.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 14:12:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r17069 /trunk/src/saveload/station_sl.cpp: -Fix (r17004): invalid read when converting old waypoints 14:16:20 *** Prisk1 [Prsk@cable-105-162.kymp.net] has joined #openttd 14:19:25 *** Priski [Prsk@cable-105-162.kymp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:19:35 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEcfc9.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 14:20:35 *** Prisk1 is now known as Priski 14:27:43 *** OcTic [~jerh@dsl-145-97-207.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:28:47 *** LordAzamath [~rightwing@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729225027]] 14:30:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17070 /trunk/src/lang/english.txt: -Codechange: some minor fixes to the order in english.txt 14:33:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r17071 /trunk/src/road_cmd.cpp: -Fix: give a better error message when trying to make road one-way when it doesn't belong to you 14:34:58 <planetmaker> "Plane Crash!{}Aircraft ran out of fuel, {COMMA} die in fireball" <--- what actually explodes, if there's no fuel left?! 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Don't know which symptons you have, so don't know if that could be the problem. 16:08:46 <Eddi|zuHause> Cybertinus: various symptoms. mostly the computer suddenly freezing 16:08:58 <Eddi|zuHause> or suddenly shutting down 16:09:01 <Belugas> too much cooling? 16:09:15 <Cybertinus> lol Belugas 16:09:34 <Cybertinus> Eddi|zuHause: hmm. That could be cooling problems 16:09:47 <Cybertinus> install some program to monitor the CPU and motherboard temp 16:09:53 <Eddi|zuHause> and the problem gets less when i underclock the computer 16:10:05 <Eddi|zuHause> the case is open and i have a big fan in front of it 16:10:08 <Cybertinus> Everest (Windows) can show the temps in your system tray 16:10:15 <Eddi|zuHause> and the processor temperature is ~50?C 16:10:21 <Cybertinus> idle or load? 16:10:50 <Eddi|zuHause> it doesn't really have anything to do with load 16:11:01 <Eddi|zuHause> sometimes it freezes right after booting 16:11:13 <Eddi|zuHause> when starting up X 16:11:33 <Cybertinus> ok 16:11:44 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 16:11:53 <Cybertinus> a memtest86 test sounds also like a good idea 16:11:54 <Eddi|zuHause> i occasionally suspected the graphics card, but i could not confirm it 16:12:42 <Eddi|zuHause> i did that, switching memory did not help either 16:13:17 <Cybertinus> ok 16:13:29 <Eddi|zuHause> the problem worsened over time 16:13:58 <Eddi|zuHause> the funny thing is, when i set the clock to the values when i originally got the computer, even memtest freezes 16:14:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r17073 /trunk/src/strings.cpp: -Codechange: constify iec_prefixes[], change the code around a bit 16:16:40 <Cybertinus> that is not good :p 16:17:21 <_ln> have you visually observed the condition of capacitors? 16:18:28 <petern> flux! 16:18:34 <petern> jigawatts! 16:20:28 *** Chruker [~no@0x5da34ce4.vjnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:21:57 <_ln> the regular ones 16:23:22 <Belugas> mycurrent capacitor is empty. i guess it's lunch time 16:25:04 <Eddi|zuHause> _ln: they didn't blow up yet 16:25:20 *** OwenSX48BD [~oshepherd@host86-145-221-85.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:25:26 *** Svish [~Svish@84.20.108.11] has joined #openttd 16:25:38 <Belugas> silly question, but still: do trains use "motor" breaks like cars and trucks can? 16:26:14 <frosch123> "what?" 16:26:19 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEcfc9.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 16:26:19 <Eddi|zuHause> trains use many different brakes 16:26:22 <Chruker> isnt that the primary breaking thing on eletric trains? 16:26:51 <Eddi|zuHause> modern (high speed) trains use electromagnetic brakes 16:27:25 <frosch123> i was sat in a dmu, which needed diesel for both accelerating and braking 16:27:33 <frosch123> s/was/once/ 16:27:55 <frosch123> which feeled quite weird 16:28:02 <Eddi|zuHause> electromagnetic brakes depend on speed, so you can't actually stop with them 16:28:11 <Eddi|zuHause> so you need mechanical brakes for that 16:28:54 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@host86-144-18-193.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:29:10 <SmatZ> frosch123: when it runs out of diesel, it won't be able to stop? 16:29:27 <frosch123> who knows :) 16:29:31 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: i doubt that, but it is very likely that the braking power reduces 16:30:05 <Belugas> ok 16:30:23 <Belugas> it was just a reflectin regarding someone's patch 16:30:51 <SmatZ> :) 16:31:00 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm71.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 16:31:37 <Eddi|zuHause> Belugas: basically, everything that can be used to accelerate the train, can also be used to decelerate it 16:32:14 *** Yrol [~Yrol@BAF040f.baf.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 16:33:19 <Belugas> so, like a car, when you're on highest gear, and using lower gear, a train could slow down, therefor emitting more smoke while deccelerating 16:33:21 <Belugas> right? 16:33:40 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEcfc9.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:33:43 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:33:46 <Belugas> that is, of course, taing for granted diesel trains... 16:33:50 <Belugas> taking 16:33:52 <_ln> [19:25] <Eddi|zuHause> _ln: they didn't blow up yet <-- they don't need to blow up, any deformation is bad. 16:33:53 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't really know about smoke... 16:34:20 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEcfc9.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 16:34:22 <Belugas> well.. let say that, like a car,. the engine will run faster 16:34:42 <Belugas> this (maybe) smoke emission 16:34:44 <Belugas> thus 16:35:03 <_ln> Belugas: modern trains can also supply the energy resulting from braking back to the wire. 16:35:43 <Eddi|zuHause> _ln: there might be one or two that look odd 16:35:50 <Belugas> hoo.... so... more spikes? 16:35:55 *** Elton05455 [~Delphi@189.82.166.192] has joined #openttd 16:36:00 <Yrol> but there is no "link" between the tires of the train and the engine, so to speak. if you turn/speed up/slow down only the tires of the train, there wouldnt be anything enginerelated to "move", right? not like then the fire in the boiler changes or the consumption of coals 16:36:41 <SmatZ> hmm, now I found diesel trains produce electricity which is then used to power the engine 16:36:50 <SmatZ> maybe not all models though... 16:37:12 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: those are dieselelectric ones, there are also dieselhydraulic ones 16:37:13 * SmatZ wonders whether any diesel trains have more gears and thus a clutch 16:37:46 <_ln> Eddi|zuHause: also pay attention to the capacitors of the graphics card 16:38:20 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: interesting 16:38:26 <Belugas> good question, SmatZ 16:38:32 <Belugas> i guess so 16:38:38 <Belugas> wild guess only 16:38:38 <Eddi|zuHause> _ln: i can't see those from this position... 16:40:10 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think diesel engine gears work like car gears... that would be a dieselmechanic engine, those were very rare 16:41:50 <Eddi|zuHause> but of course they have some kind of clutch... else they couldn't have the engine running while being stopped 16:44:54 <glx> most are diesel-electric 16:49:31 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: I wonder how such high-power clutch would work (and how long it would last) 16:50:25 <petern> hydrualic usually 16:50:51 <petern> "most are diesel-electric" < except here 16:51:03 <petern> we apparently like our plain diesel MUs... 16:51:58 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: i don't know what to google for... all i get are descriptions of model railways... 16:52:02 *** tdev [~udev@p508EAEC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:53:24 <SmatZ> ok, thanks :) 16:55:58 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:57:01 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:01:27 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:02:35 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.171.109] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:03:38 *** Priski [Prsk@cable-105-162.kymp.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:05:04 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.171.109] has joined #openttd 17:06:37 <Belugas> pam te pam 17:08:34 <petern> yeah :D 17:11:46 <OwenSX48BD> I wish companies would stop giving out routers which you can't run OpenWRT on... 17:12:11 *** OwenSX48BD is now known as OwenS 17:12:27 <Rubidium> OwenS: you mean like linksys does? 17:12:59 <OwenS> I mean I wish ISPs would give out less useless routers. I'm developing quite a collection of them and they're all useless for anything but access point use 17:13:24 <OwenS> One only needs so many access points! 17:13:32 <SpComb> more the merrier 17:13:47 <OwenS> Until one has an access point in every non-overlapping channel :p 17:18:28 *** Elton05455 [~Delphi@189.82.166.192] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:18:41 <kingj> I'm sure eBay could assist you with that problem OwenS 17:19:06 <OwenS> Then I have to decide what to sell :p 17:19:24 <OwenS> Though I suppose it would help with the process of upconverting to 802.11n devices 17:19:56 <OwenS> Well, 802.11n + Gigabit backhaul 17:19:59 * Rubidium is happy with his IPv6 enabled router/AP ;) 17:21:05 <OwenS> One of the reasons I want an OpenWRT compatible device :p 17:21:52 <OwenS> I could live without IPv6 AP support though, firstly as they're just running at level 2 and secondly because I'll never remember their IPv6 anyway 17:22:19 <Rubidium> DNS helps with that 17:22:38 * Rubidium got a 'spare' OpenWRT compatible device 17:22:50 <Rubidium> you 'just' need to get it flashed 17:22:59 <OwenS> Then I need to maintain nearly identical but subtly different internal and external DNS servers (Primarily, exposed machines have different IPv4 internal vs external devices) 17:23:15 <OwenS> IPV4 int vs ext IPv4 addresses even! :P 17:24:38 *** Priski [Prsk@cable-105-162.kymp.net] has joined #openttd 17:25:20 <OwenS> It would be easy if I could do if(request_from_outside) return external_address else return address_in_reccord 17:26:41 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:26:48 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 17:27:04 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEcfc9.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:27:09 <Rubidium> OwenS: just fiddle a bit with the code of DNS server, shouldn't be that impossible 17:28:20 <OwenS> if((addr & 0xFFFF0000) == 0xB0100000) return external_address, I know :p 17:33:09 <OwenS> w00t! Good riddance ADSL! 17:33:27 <OwenS> I shall be seeing the back end of you a week on Monday! 17:34:23 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm71.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: bedchimes] 17:37:09 <Eddi|zuHause> that sentence does not parse 17:38:50 <OwenS> A week on monday I shall be getting rid of ADSL :P 17:44:53 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C138.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:44:53 *** thingwath [~thingwath@88.83.164.57] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:45:05 *** thingwath [~thingwath@88.83.164.57] has joined #openttd 17:45:52 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485B4A9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:46:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r17074 /trunk/src/lang/ (11 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 17:46:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:46:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: simplified_chinese - 8 changes by Gavin 17:46:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 50 changes by Rubidium, TrueBrain 17:46:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: finnish - 4 changes by jpx_ 17:46:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: french - 47 changes by glx 17:46:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frisian - 38 changes by huddekul 17:53:17 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C932.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:59:37 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17075 /trunk/src/ (148 files in 9 dirs): -Codechange: rename ~750 strings to be more uniform with their relatives 18:02:35 *** Lisby [~l@x1-6-00-17-3f-55-57-df.k467.webspeed.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:04:01 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEcfc9.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 18:08:32 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 18:14:06 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76A0A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:15:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77096.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:26:05 *** Lisby [~l@x1-6-00-17-3f-55-57-df.k467.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 18:26:15 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DBDF9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:26:56 *** Lisby^ [~l@x1-6-00-17-3f-55-57-df.k467.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 18:27:25 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DBDF9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:27:32 *** Lisby^ [~l@x1-6-00-17-3f-55-57-df.k467.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 18:28:02 *** OcTic [~jerh@dsl-145-97-207.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 18:28:20 *** OcTic [~jerh@dsl-145-97-207.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [] 18:34:18 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-5443ccd9.lns6-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:37:26 *** [1]Mark [~Mark@94.208.109.150] has joined #openttd 18:37:29 *** Mark is now known as Guest579 18:37:29 *** [1]Mark is now known as Mark 18:39:31 *** Guest579 was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [Bye bye Guest579, Mark now replaces you] 18:40:26 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEcfc9.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:47:04 <Rubidium> planetmaker: re OGFX#149, what's the error? 18:48:36 *** Elton04627 [~Delphi@201008145180.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #openttd 18:51:55 *** thisismynick [~chatzilla@95.72.2.97] has joined #openttd 18:53:08 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Quit: On snow, everyone can follow your traces] 18:53:41 *** thisismynick [~chatzilla@95.72.2.97] has quit [] 18:56:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r17076 /trunk/src/lang/ (40 files in 2 dirs): -Update: reflect the changes Rubidium made in the last few days to all languages 18:58:54 <planetmaker> Rubidium: ogfx1_base.d:1: *** target pattern contains no `%'. Stop. 18:59:38 <planetmaker> I shall add that there. I just wrote the note when I didn't have access to my laptop. Just so it won't get forgotten :-) 19:00:50 <Rubidium> what happens if you change the | with something else, like !? 19:01:03 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 19:01:50 <planetmaker> I tried to replace it by @ without success 19:03:00 <Rubidium> can you pin point more precisely what part of the sed doesn't do what it should do? 19:03:04 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 19:03:07 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 19:03:21 <TrueBrain> oh shit, he is back 19:03:22 <TrueBrain> sssttt 19:04:31 <Belugas> i can see you! 19:04:42 <TrueBrain> where where? 19:04:46 * TrueBrain looks around like he has seen a ghost 19:04:55 <Belugas> right under that desk! 19:05:46 *** DPyro [ad4a9c0c@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 19:10:06 <Rubidium> Does anyone in here have an idea how to make "Order refit failure stopped {VEHICLE}" more clear? What it means is that a refit is ordered in a vehicle's order list has failed and it notifies you of that. However, the current string is (for some at least) quite unclear. Any suggestions on how to improve it? 19:11:10 <pavel1269> lol, i dont even understand the what it means :-) 19:12:47 <Yrol> Ordered refitting of (VEHICLE) failed: (REASON) 19:13:11 <Rubidium> doesn't tell the vehicle was stopped 19:13:47 <pavel1269> Refiting order failed, (VEH) stopped. ? 19:13:48 <glx> {VEHICLE} stopped due to ordered refit failure 19:14:20 <glx> anyway ask native speakers 19:15:07 <Yrol> Ordered refitting of stopped (VEHICLE) failed: (REASON) 19:15:38 <pavel1269> reason == failed? :P 19:15:46 <Yrol> °giggles° 19:15:57 <Rubidium> reason isn't stored 19:16:09 <Yrol> oh. ok. 19:16:12 <glx> and the vehicle isn't stopped before refit 19:16:18 <Yrol> yes 19:16:29 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:17:13 <Yrol> a variation of glxs idea then? {VEHICLE} stopped due to an ordered refit having failed 19:17:42 <pavel1269> good one :-) 19:18:06 <pavel1269> but i say ... have failed :-) 19:18:08 <Yrol> it resolves the foggy "stop order refit fail" wordchain a bit better 19:18:17 *** Lisby [~l@x1-6-00-17-3f-55-57-df.k467.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 19:18:54 <Yrol> hm, "having" is nore fitting i would say. because of the "due to" 19:18:58 <Yrol> "more" 19:19:18 <pavel1269> whatever you say :-) 19:20:33 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 19:20:34 <Yrol> "has" would just be more wrong, then it would have to be "stopped because an ordered refit has failed" 19:21:52 <Yrol> then again... in that version the "has" before "failed" could just be omitted 19:22:16 <pavel1269> what about ordered refit failed? :P 19:25:55 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@host86-145-221-85.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:26:03 <planetmaker> Rubidium: http://paste.openttd.org/186877 19:26:36 <Rubidium> planetmaker: ah... it doesn't do the '\n' 19:27:02 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:27:04 <planetmaker> nope. But further down, also some other reg. exp. thing not... as far as I understand 19:27:08 *** Gekz__ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 19:27:15 <planetmaker> (when trying to do it directly in xterm) 19:28:01 <planetmaker> e.g. the thing in the sed reg exp. 19:28:14 <planetmaker> which the sed under linux understands. 19:29:00 <Rubidium> does http://rbijker.net/openttd/ogfx149.diff make it any better? 19:29:18 <planetmaker> interestingly from my man file: 2. The escape sequence \n matches a newline character embedded in the 19:29:19 <planetmaker> pattern space. You can't, however, use a literal newline character 19:29:21 <planetmaker> in an address or in the substitute command. 19:29:25 <frosch123> Rubidium: "{VEHICLE} stopped in depot. Refit order failed." 19:29:28 <Yrol> (pavel1269) °hangs head° okay. we do it this way : "ERROR!" its simple, short and easily understood ;oP 19:30:18 <pavel1269> ye! _( 19:30:22 <pavel1269> *:-) 19:30:41 <pavel1269> "!{VEHICLE} ERROR!" :-) 19:30:58 <Rubidium> frosch123: possible, though personally I like Yrol 19:20 (UTC) more 19:31:33 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@host86-128-254-175.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:32:00 <frosch123> also fine, but two sentences are usually easier :) 19:32:59 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 19:33:58 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177230148.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:35:01 *** OwenSX48BD [~oshepherd@host86-128-254-175.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:36:38 <planetmaker> Rubidium: beats me, that works. What's the difference...? 19:37:06 <Rubidium> the \n 19:37:25 <planetmaker> right, yes. :-) 19:37:42 <Rubidium> and I found out that you can put multiple things before the : so you don't need two lines to make the pnfo and nfo depend on the pcx 19:37:59 <planetmaker> that's right, yes 19:38:06 <planetmaker> :-) 19:38:09 * planetmaker hugs Rubidium 19:38:11 *** nickman87 [~chatzilla@d54C3F29D.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:38:23 <Rubidium> there's some trailing whitespace removal in that diff though 19:38:37 <planetmaker> I see that. 19:38:54 <planetmaker> usually there *should* not be that anyway 19:39:05 <planetmaker> obviously there is, though 19:39:06 *** OcTic [~jerh@dsl-145-97-207.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 19:39:12 * Rubidium wonders why there are so many projects that can't keep trailing whitespace out of their sources 19:40:19 * frosch123 wonders why so many editors cannot display tabs vs. spaces and even insert them in the weirdest ways when autoindenting 19:40:38 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@host86-128-254-175.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:40:59 <OwenSX48BD> frosch123: Aah, I do love Kate's tab highlighting 19:41:10 * Rubidium agrees with OwenSX48BD 19:41:26 <Rubidium> especially that you can lighten it a bit so it isn't that visible 19:41:26 *** OwenSX48BD is now known as OwenS 19:41:32 <Rubidium> thus not that annoying 19:41:40 <frosch123> yup, katepart has the best whitepace displaying :) 19:42:05 <frosch123> recently I tried codeblocks because someone used it in here, but it made the code unreadable with a dot for *every* space 19:42:18 <OwenS> Does that make Kate one of the few editors with Whitespace support without special highlighting (I'm talking of the silly programming language here :P) 19:42:49 *** Muxy [~benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has joined #openttd 19:43:17 <planetmaker> indeed kate is nice for that. 19:43:40 <petern> lies 19:43:46 <petern> vim has the best 19:44:17 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177230148.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 19:44:19 <Rubidium> vim has a tainted name 19:44:21 <OwenS> Lies. Vim is a vile contraption to be used only when using foul consoles without editors like nano :p 19:44:44 <Prof_Frink> OwenS: Could be worse. Could be emacs. 19:44:51 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 19:44:53 * OwenS runs 19:44:55 <OwenS> (Actually, I like both Vim and Nano, though find Vim slightly faster. Provisio: I leave Vim in insert mode :P) 19:45:21 <petern> nano's shit 19:45:34 <Rubidium> http://www.figuiere.net/hub/blog/200407/vim.jpg <- vim is for shit 19:46:59 <petern> lies, that's jif 19:47:37 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-156-176.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:47:40 <petern> or cif, as they renamed it 19:47:44 <Muxy> or CIF for frenhies 19:48:01 <Muxy> *frenchies* 19:48:16 * OwenS thinks cif is a silly name 19:48:37 <petern> and so is oil of olay 19:50:10 <Muxy> Cif is here http://www.unilever.com/brands/homecarebrands/Cif.aspx 19:52:29 <planetmaker> Rubidium: thanks a lot for that diff for the makefile! :-) 19:52:43 <Rubidium> you're welcome :) 19:53:48 <planetmaker> and it was so little change which was still only needed... and what did I all try... not this :-) 19:54:08 <Rubidium> I know the feeling 19:54:39 <planetmaker> hehe :-) I guess every programmer does know it... 19:55:05 <planetmaker> frustration tolerance... 20:02:34 <Yrol> °waves° a good day or night to everybody :o) 20:03:15 *** Muxy [~benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:04:40 *** Yrol [~Yrol@BAF040f.baf.pppool.de] has quit [Quit: MOOOOOOOOOO?????] 20:12:52 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:20:59 *** nairan_Z [~Moe@p5498ED3E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:31:00 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.104.70] has joined #openttd 20:31:26 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.104.70] has quit [] 20:33:26 *** Jhs [~jhsoby@214.80-202-210.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 20:37:06 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c0914.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:40:33 <TrueBrain> lalala 20:41:21 <Rubidium> pompiedom 20:41:31 <TrueBrain> Yeah! Rubidium gets a cookie 20:43:18 <TrueBrain> damn, I am too drunk to do any coding 20:43:19 <TrueBrain> lol 20:44:18 <TrueBrain> http://media.ongein.nl/ONGEIN.NL_10431?source=2009/71d7351322dc98895200d7431638c455a084e57f.jpg 20:44:21 <TrueBrain> that makes me happy :) 20:44:58 <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: Overshot the Ballmer Peak again? 20:45:41 <TrueBrain> Remember Windows ME? 20:47:37 <TrueBrain> I think I shouldn't be translating now too :p 20:47:44 <TrueBrain> so what then .. hmm ... 20:51:32 <TrueBrain> could you guys be more boring? 20:53:52 * fjb tries very hard. 20:54:09 <TrueBrain> well, you are not getting a cookie for doing such a good job 20:54:34 <fjb> :-( 20:54:36 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 20:54:49 <TrueBrain> welcome Yexo 20:54:51 <fjb> I want a cookie. 20:54:57 <Rubidium> what a nice paradox, though fjb failed to make it more boring (and now I'm doing that again) 20:54:59 <Yexo> good evening 20:55:01 <Yexo> hi TrueBrain :) 20:55:02 <TrueBrain> fjb: you will have to open a browser yourself! 20:55:19 <Belugas> there was a light. no... it's now dimmed out. it's now pulsating. ho ho... it's round. not quite. more ovoid 20:55:21 <Belugas> what it is? 20:55:22 * petern flashes his penis at TrueBrain 20:55:29 <fjb> Hello Yexo. We are trying to be boring today. 20:55:31 <TrueBrain> Belugas: a pulsar 20:55:34 <Rubidium> it's Belugas going home? 20:55:37 <TrueBrain> petern: there are girls in here, behave 20:55:42 <Belugas> almost Rubidium... 20:55:43 <petern> lies 20:56:01 <Belugas> It's TrueLight which became TrueBrain! 20:56:12 <TrueBrain> once upon a time 20:56:28 <Belugas> there's a lady who's sure 20:56:30 <TrueBrain> long long long long LONG LONG (did I say: long, already) ago 20:56:34 <Belugas> all that glitters is ... 20:56:39 <Aali> diff: memory exhausted 20:56:41 <Belugas> GOLD 20:56:41 <Aali> :( 20:56:48 <Belugas> and she's buying a ... 20:56:55 <TrueBrain> Aali: I had my computer crashing last time because I was diffing 250 MiB text files :p 20:57:01 <Belugas> Stairway 20:57:07 <TrueBrain> (and my kernel thought it was a good idea to dump my X session) 20:57:10 <Belugas> to 20:57:12 <Aali> I'm diffing two 300MB files 20:57:15 <Belugas> Heavan 20:57:20 <Belugas> ooops.. 20:57:22 <TrueBrain> Belugas: go home :) 20:57:23 <Belugas> heaven 20:57:25 <Aali> well, I guess I'm not diffing anything now 20:57:27 <petern> and she's buying a stannah stair lift to heaven 20:57:45 <Belugas> bloiiiinnggg 20:57:52 <Belugas> tam tadata 20:57:58 <Belugas> tam ta tam 20:58:01 <Prof_Frink> plaaaaaaaaaarp 20:58:10 * Belugas is gone 20:58:13 <Belugas> bye bye 20:58:20 <TrueBrain> bubye Belugas 20:58:21 <TrueBrain> have a nice one :) 20:58:31 <Belugas> beer? no, you drank it all! 20:58:31 <Prof_Frink> Bye bye Bellyugas 20:58:42 <TrueBrain> Belugas: sorry ... that I did 20:58:44 * Belugas is not here anymore 20:58:48 <Yexo> hg.openttd.org is giving 500 - internal server error pages 20:58:57 <TrueBrain> Yexo: you no like? 20:59:07 <Yexo> me no like code 500 20:59:12 <TrueBrain> code 200? 20:59:14 <TrueBrain> maybe 301 20:59:20 <TrueBrain> can't be sure from this end 20:59:25 <Prof_Frink> FOUR OH FOUR 20:59:48 <Yexo> hmm, it works again now 21:00:22 <TrueBrain> might be because of the letters I typed in this black on white box I have open 21:00:23 <TrueBrain> dunno 21:00:28 <TrueBrain> might be nothing related to it 21:00:31 <TrueBrain> does: PORN!!! 21:00:35 <TrueBrain> solve the problem in general? 21:00:56 <Sacro> porn 21:00:57 <Sacro> ? 21:01:02 <TrueBrain> oh, that wakes Sacro 21:01:04 <TrueBrain> haha 21:01:05 <Prof_Frink> The internet is for it. 21:01:09 <TrueBrain> you got to know the trigger words in this channel 21:01:15 <TrueBrain> Sacro: you have a highlight on that word? 21:01:23 <Prof_Frink> Tits. 21:01:27 <Sacro> TrueBrain: despite what Bjarni protests, no 21:01:36 <TrueBrain> Sacro: pfew 21:01:41 <Sacro> i do not happen to get notified on tits, porn, lesbians or anything else 21:01:43 <Sacro> just Sacro 21:02:30 <Prof_Frink> And gameloser. 21:03:03 <Yexo> TrueBrain: you got my pm about an ai repo? 21:03:35 <TrueBrain> Yexo: nope 21:03:38 <TrueBrain> when/where/how? 21:03:48 <Yexo> I sent it today via tt-forums.net 21:04:03 <TrueBrain> not to me, sorry 21:04:34 <Yexo> what? I can't find it back now 21:04:39 <Yexo> I'm quite sure I send it :s 21:04:45 <TrueBrain> did you really press that ugly yellow button reading: post? 21:05:04 <TrueBrain> :) (hihi) 21:05:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> it would be in the history if you sent it 21:05:20 <Yexo> Eddi|zuHause2: that's the problem, it's not there 21:05:24 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 21:05:28 <TrueBrain> ergo: you didn't sent it :) 21:05:31 <TrueBrain> so send it again 21:05:31 <Eddi|zuHause> then you did not send it 21:05:42 <Rubidium> no, Simon or PFY removed it! 21:06:20 <TrueBrain> someone read too much BOFH 21:06:28 <Prof_Frink> Impossible. 21:06:39 <TrueBrain> I agree 21:07:09 <OwenS> Theres only a finite quantity of BOFH and it's not enough 21:07:28 <Yexo> anyway: currently all repositories at openttd.org contains either openttd code or 'related' code (website / translator / masterserver etc.). Is it ok to create a hg repo on openttd.org for the common ai library? 21:07:45 <Yexo> or for all ai libraries actually 21:07:56 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:08:01 <Prof_Frink> Next one should be good... the Bastard owes the Boss money :) 21:08:31 <TrueBrain> Yexo: sure! I guess you have to clear it with other devs too, but sounds not more than logic 21:08:35 <TrueBrain> I wouldn't even mind having it in SVN :p 21:08:36 *** Svish [~Svish@84.20.108.11] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:09:06 * OwenS starts building parser & LLVM code generator for programming language 21:09:25 <Yexo> ok, nice to hear :) 21:09:26 <TrueBrain> I guess I should toy with LLVM a bit soon too :p Sounds useful .. somehow :) 21:09:38 <TrueBrain> Yexo: you have all the permissions to set it up; if not, let me know :) 21:09:42 <OwenS> The code gen API is really, really simple 21:10:40 <TrueBrain> first I need to finish WT3.1 .. or at least get it functional 21:10:49 <TrueBrain> and somehow get dune2 to work :'( It depresses me I still haven't fixed it 21:11:16 <TrueBrain> what day is it today? Hmm .. 4 more days in this week, and then 3 more weeks .. then my classes start again ..... brr 21:11:40 <OwenS> I know that feeling :p 21:12:17 <TrueBrain> Yexo: at first I thought it was a good idea to have the AI Libraries in nobodys land .. but it turns out to be a terrible idea :) 21:13:38 <Yexo> it seemed a good idea, but the development turns out to be dead currently 21:13:40 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C138.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:14:05 <Yexo> a few months ago there were some topics with improvements for the pathfinders, but since nobody is really responsible work doesn't continue 21:17:39 <Yexo> TrueBrain: next (related) question: Can you also make doxygen documentation for the ai libraries available? If yes, what should I do to make that possible? 21:18:50 <TrueBrain> hmm 21:18:53 <TrueBrain> that is a bit more tricky 21:19:09 <TrueBrain> I guess the easiest solution would be that you generate them via your account (via a crontab, I would say, or post-commit hooks) 21:19:17 <TrueBrain> and that I create a directory for you where you can upload the results 21:19:32 <TrueBrain> I guess something like http://noai.openttd.org/libraries/ ? 21:19:40 <Yexo> that'd be nice 21:20:25 <TrueBrain> k, /var/www/noai.openttd.org/htdocs/libraries/ 21:20:38 <TrueBrain> writable by all developers, you are the owner, sticky bit on the group set 21:21:59 <Yexo> thanks :) 21:22:32 <TrueBrain> let me allow dirlisting 21:23:47 <TrueBrain> there we go 21:23:53 <TrueBrain> if you ened anything else, let me know :) 21:24:07 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: read above, FYI :) 21:24:07 <Yexo> a lot of time to set this all up please :) 21:24:18 * TrueBrain gives Yexo A LOT of time 21:24:23 <TrueBrain> did it help? 21:24:32 <Yexo> it's still 23:23 :p 21:24:37 <TrueBrain> 23:24 :p 21:24:57 <Yexo> so it only cost me time :p 21:24:59 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: and if you have better suggestions, let us know :) 21:25:21 <Rubidium> I'm wondering whether hg or svn would be better 21:25:28 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DBDF9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Raubgut ist vom Umtausch ausgeschlossen!] 21:25:31 <TrueBrain> I tend to say SVN 21:25:48 <TrueBrain> as the hgs don't have any backup or what ever 21:25:53 <TrueBrain> they just .. exist .. without real support 21:26:00 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DBDF9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:26:03 <TrueBrain> so I would advise against using that for anything real 21:26:17 <Yexo> that's exactly the point of hg, everyone has a local backup 21:26:25 *** OcTic [~jerh@dsl-145-97-207.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Quit: <@St3baS> they having a guitar hero comp for south african colours next weekend <@St3baS> hahahaha fuck i wanna go <@St3baS> "I PLAY GUITAR HERO PROVINCIA] 21:26:26 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@173-19-228-175.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:26:28 <TrueBrain> Yexo: yup; but for AI libraries that is not optimal 21:26:37 <TrueBrain> you want central development in that case, not decentral 21:26:41 <Yexo> true 21:30:01 <Yexo> so does it have to be a part of the openttd svn or will you create a seperate svn server for it? 21:30:33 <TrueBrain> Both are possible, but I see no reason why not to put it in the OpenTTD SVN .. can't find a real reason for that :p 21:31:53 <Rubidium> I'm only wondering what development 'model' you're going for with the libraries 21:32:20 <Rubidium> releases with release branches or just a single 'trunk' that you occasionally mark as 'release'? 21:32:41 <Rubidium> hmm, that'd still require a /trunk and /tags 21:33:10 <TrueBrain> I think they should all branch on a OpenTTD release, as it might need other API functions 21:33:34 <TrueBrain> hmm .. for this 3rd party hosting would be ideal :) 21:33:44 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.171.109] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:34:00 <Yexo> originally I was thinking about just a single trunk, but for new openttd stable versions branching would be nice 21:34:14 <TrueBrain> (like dev.openttdcoop.org I believe) 21:34:47 <tdev> what do you want to host? 21:35:00 <OwenS> I have to feel that someone failed to fully excise all the NetBeans from SunStudio because it says "Learn More About... Java EE" without Java EE support :p 21:35:01 <TrueBrain> Yexo: will those libraries be single libraries on their own, or a collection? 21:35:34 <Yexo> I'm not sure what you're asking. I intent to upload all existing libraries there, and add some new ones 21:36:05 <TrueBrain> well, is the idea to have a collection, or are they really just single entities on their own? 21:36:27 <Yexo> every library is an entity on it's own, but they can depend on eachother 21:36:29 <TrueBrain> in SVN talk: lib1/trunk, lib2/trunk or trunk/lib1, trunk/lib2 21:36:54 <TrueBrain> in HG talk: a hg init for each lib, or 1 hg init for all libs 21:37:12 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.171.109] has joined #openttd 21:37:24 <Sacro> TrueBrain: a hg init to rule them all? 21:37:33 <Sacro> and in the darkness commit them 21:37:41 <TrueBrain> Sacro: you should write a book 21:37:49 <TrueBrain> call it ... lord of the commits! 21:37:55 <Yexo> not sure, I'm thinkg about lib1/trunk lib2/trunk, but then it would be nice to have a makefile that builds / packs all libraries, and that seems to fit in better with trunk/lib1 trunk/lib2 21:38:03 <Sacro> TrueBrain: good idea 21:38:18 <TrueBrain> hmm .. 21:38:55 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@host86-128-254-175.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:39:03 <Rubidium> Yexo: you can make a 'virtual' trunk-with-all-packages using svn:externals 21:39:05 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:39:13 <TrueBrain> what if we just install Redmine on a subdomain 21:39:18 <TrueBrain> enable auto-subversion-create 21:39:20 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@host86-128-254-175.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:39:22 <TrueBrain> and give Yexo admin rights? 21:39:31 <TrueBrain> then he can create small individual subversions 21:39:39 <TrueBrain> have a wiki page and issue tracker for each 21:39:51 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B840F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Icebears are cute. Please, take care of them!] 21:40:02 <TrueBrain> (redmine is the software serving http://www.noaddedsugar.net/ and http://dev.openttdcoop.org/ 21:40:15 <Yexo> that would be perfect 21:40:16 <Rubidium> fine by me too, just somewhere under .noai.openttd.org 21:40:30 <TrueBrain> seen what is currently on noai, I would say replace it in total 21:40:42 <TrueBrain> maybe even allow other people to put their AI there 21:41:20 <TrueBrain> I would only like to limit the latter with one condition: if you put your AI there, it has to be (L)GPLv2, and you need to upload the source of your AI (so not a redirect-page to some offsite location) 21:41:41 <Yexo> completely agreed 21:41:53 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: from our perspective: new VPS, or in openttd-web? 21:42:16 <Rubidium> I'd say new vps 21:42:41 <TrueBrain> when I look at WT3.1 page, it takes about 250 MB of RAM (redmine) 21:42:46 <TrueBrain> I am sure we can fix that somehow ... :p 21:43:34 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:44:14 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 21:44:56 <TrueBrain> k, Yexo, I will set this up now or tomorrow 21:45:02 <TrueBrain> (depends how long I stay this wasted) 21:45:16 <Yexo> thanks a lot :) 21:45:34 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: suggestion for VPS name? openttd-noai ? 21:45:53 <Rubidium> sounds fine 21:47:03 <TrueBrain> generating VPS ... lalalala 21:48:46 *** _ln [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Quit: ciao a tutti] 21:57:57 <TrueBrain> installing the documentation of Rake takes the longest :p 21:58:11 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B840F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:58:14 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 21:59:03 * OwenS wonders two things: Firstly, why the need for a new Ruby specific make? Second, why install the docs on a server? :p 21:59:26 <TrueBrain> they come with the package 21:59:29 *** satyap [~satyap@c-68-58-242-184.hsd1.sc.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:59:33 <TrueBrain> and rake has little to do with make .. well .. I guess in some way it has 21:59:42 <satyap> what programs do you use to create newgrfs? i mean, does grfcreator work, or is it grfcodec + text files? 22:00:02 <satyap> yeah i could look at the wiki but it's hard to find answers to qualitative questions 22:00:09 <satyap> and i *have* been googling 22:00:16 <TrueBrain> he came prepared! 22:00:16 *** nairan_Z [~Moe@p5498ED3E.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 22:00:19 <TrueBrain> @voice satyap 22:00:22 *** mode/#openttd [+v satyap] by DorpsGek 22:00:28 <TrueBrain> that deserves something special :) 22:00:35 <satyap> umm thanks 22:00:36 <TrueBrain> sadly enough, I know nothing about grfs, so I can't help you out 22:00:53 <satyap> well, at least it's an answer, and i thank you 22:01:01 <Yexo> I haven't heard of grfcreator before (maybe you mean grfmaker?) 22:01:04 <satyap> now i must urgently wander off to the park with slides 22:01:10 <satyap> possibly i do mean grfmaker 22:01:29 <Yexo> grfmaker is one option, but the more advanced newgrfs are created with grfcoded + some text editor 22:01:33 <satyap> i'll be back later 22:01:41 <satyap> alright, thanks. i'm sure i'll have more questions 22:02:35 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEcfc9.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 22:03:52 <TrueBrain> I like this kid :) 22:07:43 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-248-075-030.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:16:20 <TrueBrain> http://noai.openttd.org/ <- whiieee!!! 22:16:28 <TrueBrain> TODO list: add leaseweb logo :p 22:17:13 <Rubidium> - add OpenTTD logo 22:17:50 <Yexo> TrueBrain: is the login linked to any of my other openttd accounts or do I have to create a new account? 22:18:05 <TrueBrain> Yexo: the latter for now 22:18:10 <TrueBrain> I will see if I can make a bridge 22:18:50 *** Gekz__ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:18:55 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I need a 'from' address for RedMine 22:19:11 <TrueBrain> I want to use noai@ , but that means we need to add it as real mail :p 22:19:16 <TrueBrain> shall we route that address to Yexo? :) 22:19:30 <Rubidium> fine by me ;) 22:19:37 <Yexo> fine 22:19:41 <Rubidium> although, maybe in the future we want multiple managers 22:19:54 <Yexo> another email box is fine too 22:19:54 <TrueBrain> it is a alias, so :p 22:19:55 <Rubidium> so maybe a seperate mail account (like translator) is better 22:20:11 <TrueBrain> lets do that when another manager presents itself :p 22:21:25 <TrueBrain> Yexo: you will hav eto finetune it, names and stuff 22:21:39 <TrueBrain> I now need to read how I can make it auto-create subversion and shit 22:22:17 <Yexo> and how can I do that? via ssh on the server? 22:22:31 <TrueBrain> Yexo: create account and I make you admin :p 22:22:41 <Yexo> I already have an account :) 22:22:44 <Ammler> TrueBrain: hg? 22:22:48 <TrueBrain> Ammler: no 22:23:00 <TrueBrain> Yexo: then now you are an administrator 22:23:10 <Yexo> thanks 22:23:19 <TrueBrain> the admin interface is really easy 22:23:27 <TrueBrain> just don't create a project just yet :) 22:23:31 <Yexo> ok 22:23:34 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C138.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:23:48 <TrueBrain> Ammler: I think subversion is more suitable for this job 22:23:56 <TrueBrain> (although much higher overhead) 22:23:56 *** oskari89 [oskari89@88.193.124.243] has joined #openttd 22:24:50 <TrueBrain> (or anyone needs to have good argumentation to use hg :)) 22:25:24 <Ammler> you mean hg has higher overhead? 22:25:28 <TrueBrain> no, SVN has 22:26:19 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I think we need to create a small ldap server and put all accounts in there .. so we can easier make centralized authentication 22:26:34 <Ammler> openid :-) 22:26:47 <TrueBrain> considered it, but OpenID is a bit .. silly I think 22:27:42 <Eddi|zuHause> make a centralised global world institute responsible for automatic unique identification. solves all problems. 22:28:01 <TrueBrain> YEAH! 22:28:15 <Eddi|zuHause> and each passport gets a gps chip, so that all persons can be located at any time 22:28:15 <Rubidium> the Germans tried that, but... they failed 22:28:33 <Ammler> well, openid is the opposite, that is why I like it. 22:29:14 <Eddi|zuHause> and each person that does not carry its ID card gets a terrorrism suspect and all human rights taken away 22:29:40 <Eddi|zuHause> modern day outlaws... 22:29:49 <OwenS> OpenID doesn't really work for SVN :p 22:29:54 <Eddi|zuHause> robin hood was a terrorist... 22:30:22 <Ammler> OwenS: there is at least a lib for c++ 22:30:36 <OwenS> Ammler: It's rather pointless in a web-browser-less-app ;P 22:30:39 <TrueBrain> OwenS: room for improvement!! 22:30:53 <Ammler> openttd with openid would be very cool 22:31:20 <OwenS> The trust model falls apart without the web browser ::p 22:31:32 *** Jhs [~jhsoby@214.80-202-210.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:31:38 <Ammler> he? why? 22:31:41 <DaleStan> satyap: It depends on what you want to do. GRFMaker can do the simple things, but the more complex you want, the more likely it is that you'll have to write directly in NFO. 22:31:41 <DaleStan> Consensus is that GRFMaker is not a substitute for understanding NFO, just a substitute for memorizing the spec word-for-word. 22:31:41 <DaleStan> Me, I code in NFO and use NFORenum to check my work. 22:32:00 <OwenS> Because you have no proof that they're not intercepting your credentials :P 22:32:05 <satyap> roger that 22:32:35 <TrueBrain> Yexo: okay, please create a single project 22:32:39 <TrueBrain> then I will test this auto-magic stuff 22:33:00 <OwenS> You do in a web server since the web browser is acting as a trusted third party. In a C++ app, you don't have a trusted third party 22:33:39 <Ammler> why should the web browser be more trusted then openttd? 22:34:12 <OwenS> Because the web browser is not affiliated with what you're authenticating for 22:34:12 <Yexo> TrueBrain: I've created one 22:34:14 <satyap> the app would behave like a web browser... serving openttd packets instead of web pages 22:34:31 <TrueBrain> Yexo: you sure want to go with those names? Assuming it will be possible that there will be real AIs? 22:34:32 <satyap> or i could be talking through my hat 22:34:37 <OwenS> Also, the OpenID model is entirely dependent upon being able to show web pages :p 22:34:48 <TrueBrain> (and I am really asking here, I dunno :)) 22:35:36 <TrueBrain> Yexo: few RedMine odditiest ins and outs: you might want to disable Documents, to get the Wiki, set a MainPage in the settings, and you might want to disable shit like 'Spent time' 22:35:44 <Yexo> What do you think about "Lib_BinaryHeap" or "Queue_BinaryHeap"? 22:35:45 * satyap is mildly vexed by trying to bootstrap all newgrf specs into brain at the same time, not to mention that a certain wiki's spec description doesn't quite match what i see in the japanese trainset 22:35:54 <Ammler> OwenS: I might understand openid a bit different then you, maybe wron then. 22:35:58 <TrueBrain> Yexo: I really don't know .. 22:36:04 <TrueBrain> lib-queue-binaryheap? 22:36:05 <Ammler> g 22:36:22 <Yexo> also an option 22:36:43 <OwenS> Ammler: My understanding all comes from being an OpenID consumer, and also from being smart enough to have a bit of a clue about security and know that I'm not smart enough to design security myself :p 22:36:48 <Yexo> but the max length for the unique id is 20 characters, so lib-queue-binaryheap is streching it a bit 22:36:55 <TrueBrain> Yexo: lol .. sucks ... 22:37:00 <TrueBrain> lib-binaryheap ? :) 22:37:06 <TrueBrain> dunno .. might just be useful to have 'lib' in there 22:37:35 <Yexo> yes, indeed 22:37:49 <Yexo> bah, it isn't possible to change the id once created :( 22:37:55 <TrueBrain> delete it and recreate it 22:37:58 <TrueBrain> the reason I asked for it ;) 22:40:23 <Yexo> what is "Boards"? 22:40:28 <TrueBrain> forum, I guess 22:40:35 <Yexo> so unneeded then 22:41:43 <Yexo> all pages are "403 - Forbidden" now 22:41:45 <TrueBrain> yup 22:41:57 <TrueBrain> sorry, I had to test my deny-a-certain-dir thingy 22:41:59 <TrueBrain> and it refuses :( 22:42:08 <Yexo> no problem :) 22:42:52 <TrueBrain> I can deny ALL access, but not for the dir I am looking for :( 22:43:49 <Yexo> there seems to be no repository currently, do I have to create one myself via the "Repository" tab? 22:43:55 <TrueBrain> nope, I have to do that 22:44:00 <TrueBrain> that is what I will be testing ;) 22:44:07 <TrueBrain> if I can get this annoying thing to work :( 22:44:36 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEcfc9.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:46:04 <TrueBrain> this is just insane ..... 22:48:38 <TrueBrain> why do thinks never work as documented 22:49:14 <Xaroth> yer hexed 22:49:22 <Xaroth> it could be worse tho 22:49:25 <Yexo> good luck with fixing it :) 22:49:28 <Yexo> and good night everyone 22:49:32 <TrueBrain> Yexo: night 22:49:34 <TrueBrain> btw, repos created 22:49:34 <Xaroth> you could be forced to go to evoswitch at 7am in the morning 22:50:18 <TrueBrain> sadly enough, it makes a really terrible subversion ... 22:50:20 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: poor thing :p 22:50:34 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Quit: bye] 22:50:51 <Xaroth> TrueBrain: meh 22:50:58 <Xaroth> went home 2 hours early today for it tho 22:51:03 <TrueBrain> hehe 22:51:04 <Xaroth> seeing i was already working at 7.. 22:51:07 <Xaroth> downside is toh 22:51:13 <Xaroth> when you drive there, it's cool outside 22:51:22 <Xaroth> then you go inside, to the heat of the datahalls 22:51:27 <TrueBrain> bah, it seems I need to allow webDAV 22:51:28 <Xaroth> then when yer done.. at around 11am 22:51:55 <Xaroth> I could cook an egg on my car seats/steering wheel 22:52:14 <TrueBrain> hehehe 22:53:01 <Xaroth> anyhow 22:53:02 <Xaroth> off to bed 22:53:08 <TrueBrain> night 22:53:09 <Xaroth> hopefully not such a hectic day tomorrow 22:53:13 <TrueBrain> I hope so for you too :) 22:53:15 <TrueBrain> hmm 22:53:17 <TrueBrain> I go to bed too 22:53:24 <TrueBrain> I will see tomorrow how I can make RedMine to things MY WAY 22:53:31 *** tdev [~udev@p508EAEC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: free open source vehicle simulator: http://rigsofrods.com] 22:53:33 <Xaroth> lol good luck :P 22:53:36 <Xaroth> redmine can be a bitch :P 22:53:37 <Xaroth> nn 22:53:41 <TrueBrain> (which most likely means installing apache :p) 22:55:12 <OwenS> Eww @ Apache :P 22:57:22 *** reldred [~Richard_E@wirele5.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #openttd 22:57:45 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEcfc9.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 22:59:13 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 23:00:27 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 23:00:57 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEcfc9.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:01:16 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEcfc9.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 23:01:23 * satyap does apache 23:01:44 <satyap> sigh. i can get james into msts, but not get grfmaker to work 23:02:33 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEcfc9.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:06:32 <TrueBrain> nice, apache only serves 404 23:07:18 <TrueBrain> ActionController::RoutingError (No route matches "/index.html" with {:method=>:get}): <- wut? 23:07:36 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:08:42 <TrueBrain> there we go :) 23:09:10 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DBDF9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:10:26 *** sdafsdf [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:11:11 <satyap> uh... you lose your index.html? or not have it in config/routes? 23:11:20 <TrueBrain> no, it was .htaccess fucking up 23:11:26 <TrueBrain> RedMine has a minor .. glitch there 23:13:38 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 23:15:12 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-5443ccd9.lns6-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:16:08 <satyap> heh 23:16:24 <satyap> what's the web server and rails thingy you use? 23:16:34 <satyap> like, passenger, or rack, or... 23:16:38 <TrueBrain> Passenger should NOT load the .htaccess 23:16:43 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:16:46 *** sdafsdf is now known as LadyHawk 23:19:23 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DBDF9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:20:28 *** GregVernon [~Greg@user-0c9aat3.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:20:30 <TrueBrain> wopla, works 23:21:14 <TrueBrain> WAY past my bedtime 23:21:16 <TrueBrain> night all 23:21:23 * Sacro tucks TrueBrain into bed 23:22:55 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-20-5-190.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 23:23:47 <satyap> cool, grfmaker seems to work under wine 23:23:55 <satyap> that should reduce the annoyance factor 23:26:15 <Eddi|zuHause> the forum is weird... "in real life, big cities do not grow into each other" 23:26:46 <Rubidium> that's true 23:26:49 <Aali> to be fair, they usually dont 23:27:05 <Aali> the bigger city swallows the smaller city and it all becomes one city 23:27:08 <Rubidium> or rather, name me two big cities that are grown into eachother 23:27:20 <Eddi|zuHause> the entire ruhr area? 23:27:37 <Rubidium> that's all small hamlets grown together 23:27:59 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, and each of these hamlets has 1mio inhabitants ;) 23:28:33 <Rubidium> but is X building in Y? 23:28:52 <Eddi|zuHause> the entire east coast of the USA is one big megalopolis 23:29:27 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: that's far from true 23:29:31 <Belugas> [19:26] <Eddi|zuHause> the forum is weird... "in real life, big cities do not grow into each other" <--- who DARE SAID THAT??? 23:29:51 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=44646 23:30:06 <Rubidium> there are quite a lot of stretches of 'nothing' between the cities 23:30:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17077 /branches/0.7/os/rpm/openttd.spec: [0.7] -Fix [FS#3024]: rpm spec file failed for CentOS; apparantly their rpmbuild is pickier or so 23:30:29 <Eddi|zuHause> ok, yes, there are, but some cities do touch each other 23:31:56 <adam_vollrath> wow there's a .spec? 23:31:58 <adam_vollrath> that's neat 23:32:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17078 /branches/0.7/src/strings.cpp: [0.7] -Fix [FS#3082]: crash when renaming some towns (already fixed in trunk by rewrite of the function) 23:32:31 <Sacro> rpm sucks balls 23:32:38 <adam_vollrath> c 23:33:47 *** reldred [~Richard_E@wirele5.lnk.telstra.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:34:24 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77DD3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:35:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> "ERROR: Multiple available KDE sessions!" <- wtf is wrong here? i certainly have only one session running 23:39:37 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [] 23:40:41 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76A0A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:40:53 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 23:45:26 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@173-19-229-228.client.mchsi.com] has joined #openttd 23:46:34 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:46:50 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 23:48:58 <Belugas> not even fun to bash 23:49:02 <Belugas> bored i am... 23:49:06 <Belugas> hello Nite_Owl 23:49:30 <Nite_Owl> Hello Belugus 23:49:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17079 /branches/0.7/ (9 files in 4 dirs): 23:49:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.7] -Backport from trunk: 23:49:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Change: Add notion of Ctrl_Click in the tooltip for Loan borrow/repay buttons [FS#3066] (r16979) 23:49:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Make it so that failing to generate many random towns in scenario editor returns a failing message [FS#3059] (r16977) 23:49:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Change: [MSVC] Make all language files depend on english.txt (r16975) 23:49:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Change: There is no point in not randomising engine introduction-date before 1922. Instead disable the randomisation for the first two years after game-start, so you do not have to wait for the first engine (r16929) 23:49:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: The last manually added server would not be saved [FS#3062] (r16981) 23:50:42 <Nite_Owl> Ooooo more backporting 23:51:24 <Nite_Owl> Are you still at work Belugas and if so why? 23:51:37 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-156-176.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:51:57 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DBDF9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:54:28 <Rubidium> Belugas is always at work 23:55:24 <Nite_Owl> he usually wanders off around 5 PM eastern 23:55:46 <Rubidium> to his other job 23:55:59 <Rubidium> you didn't know Belugas has two bosses? 23:56:36 <Nite_Owl> if you mean did I know that he was married then yes 23:56:49 <Eddi|zuHause> you mean the cat? :p 23:57:00 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B840F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:57:01 *** GregVernon [~Greg@user-0c9aat3.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 23:57:53 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17080 /branches/0.7/ (20 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) 23:57:53 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.7] -Backport from trunk: 23:57:53 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NoAI] Documentation of AITile::LevelTiles was wrong (r17049) 23:57:53 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Add: [NoAI] AICompany::Get/Set PresidentGender (r17016) 23:57:53 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Add: [NoAI] AIEngine::GetDesignDate (r17014) 23:57:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Add: [NoAI] AIStation::GetConstructionDate (r17012) 23:57:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Add: [NoAI] AIAbstractList::SORT_ASCENDING / SORT_DESCENDING (r17005) 23:58:06 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DBDF9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:58:14 <Belugas> :) 23:59:16 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83F2F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:59:19 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ