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store ;o 04:22:24 <R0b0t1> I got here through some obscure wikipedia/google collage of tabs. 04:22:30 * R0b0t1 shrugs 04:35:24 *** DaleStan [~Dale@98.223.108.117] has joined #openttd 04:47:52 *** reldred [~Richard_E@wirele5.lnk.telstra.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:58:58 *** Ridayah_ [~ridayah@173-19-110-59.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:59:49 *** needles [~needles@CPE-124-185-2-21.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 05:33:31 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.104.70] has joined #openttd 05:35:32 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.104.70] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:41:04 *** Wolle [DrJekyll@p57B0D556.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:56:05 *** reldred [~Richard_E@wirele5.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #openttd 06:09:22 *** reldred1 [~Richard_E@wirele5.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #openttd 06:09:39 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 06:14:37 *** reldred 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[ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 07:43:26 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:05:03 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeji52.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 08:25:21 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has joined #openttd 08:38:50 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DE581.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:41:44 *** tdev [~tdev@p508ECEA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:02:45 <TrueBrain> morning 09:03:17 <Markk> "Oh... guys? Don't stay in here all day. I had to take the batteries out of the carbon monoxide detector; it was beeping all night." 09:05:40 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has quit [] 09:10:22 <petern> .. 09:12:33 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE94ad.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 09:13:16 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:14:10 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 09:14:24 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@196.144.99-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 09:45:32 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FA6A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:56:57 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 09:58:02 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm here pretty much because my brother wanted to play multiplayer... 09:58:55 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 10:00:12 <Prof_Frink> I've always been here. 10:03:35 <SpComb> who'se Prof_Frink? 10:03:42 <SpComb> -e 10:04:11 <Prof_Frink> I'm Spartacus. 10:05:07 <Rubidium> then who's Sportacus? 10:58:06 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.20.10.98] has joined #openttd 11:14:28 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:34:57 <TrueBrain> stupid OSX .. blegh blegh blegh 11:35:01 <TrueBrain> always somewhere where it stops 11:39:16 *** DaleStan [~Dale@98.223.108.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:50:13 *** tdev [~tdev@p508EA358.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:52:02 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-26-71-125.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:53:54 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c900:e894:58f4:8312] has joined #openttd 11:53:57 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 11:53:59 *** goodger_ [~ben@host86-148-9-59.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:56:06 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm210.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 12:00:02 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-204-9.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:02:41 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn13-0-0-cust18.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 12:04:34 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn13-0-0-cust18.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 12:05:03 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn13-0-0-cust18.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 12:18:14 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db1ae4c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:20:12 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-82-46.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 12:21:32 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@155.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:27:17 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 12:27:22 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:27:52 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@80.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 12:32:18 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 12:32:59 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 12:34:06 <Belugas> good day 12:34:28 <Belugas> where is my coffee? where is the coffee machine? where is the maker of the coffee beans? 12:34:32 <Belugas> I WANT COFFEE 12:35:02 <Noldo> add 'MY' 12:42:14 *** Chris_ [~chatzilla@88-106-195-214.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 12:42:25 *** Chris_ is now known as AdditionalData 12:42:39 <AdditionalData> Hi 12:45:26 <Rubidium> afternoon 12:48:53 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 12:51:45 <Belugas> so... coffee tank full? checked. Credit cards deployed? Checked. Test Scripts updated? Checked. Music available? Checked. Transaction Simulator loaded? Checked. Payment software loaded? Checked 12:51:49 <Belugas> will to go? 12:51:52 <Belugas> oooops... 12:52:03 <Rubidium> Home? 12:53:56 <AdditionalData> heh 12:54:20 <AdditionalData> I learned to greet the world in C ;) 12:54:26 <Doorslammer> Fail 12:54:30 <Belugas> yup, will to go <home> 12:54:36 <Doorslammer> Just found 3 tank engines that have done nothing 12:54:42 <Doorslammer> For 4 game years :/ 12:55:01 <AdditionalData> a quick question, if you don't mind 12:55:06 <planetmaker> so your diplomacy was successful? 12:55:12 <AdditionalData> why does Visual Studio consider scanf to be unsafe? 12:55:17 <Belugas> one is called Thomas, the other Percy and the third is called Smurf 12:56:01 <Belugas> dunno, AdditionalData 12:56:15 <AdditionalData> it recommends scanf_s 12:56:19 <Noldo> AdditionalData: google 12:56:59 <AdditionalData> ah 12:57:05 <AdditionalData> found i 12:57:07 <AdditionalData> *it 12:57:19 <Belugas> i guess that question would get beter answer from M$ devs ;) 12:57:19 <AdditionalData> it seems that scanf doesn't prevent buffer overflow? 12:57:38 <AdditionalData> so MS introduced scanf_s, the "secure" version 12:57:45 <Noldo> if you use %s without limit 12:57:50 <AdditionalData> hmm 12:57:56 <AdditionalData> well i'm learning C 12:58:02 <Doorslammer> Fat Controller called them "Really Useless B#$#%%^" 12:58:04 <AdditionalData> so i'm trying to learn good practices 12:58:08 <petern> like gets() :D 12:58:16 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-26-71-125.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 12:58:36 <AdditionalData> i made an app that loops until you feed it two numbers that add up to 23, then it quits 12:59:46 <AdditionalData> and i used scanf to read the numbers 13:00:30 <AdditionalData> IS that a Bad Thing(tm)? 13:01:13 <Belugas> I personally prefer to use InputQuery, and a try except on a StrToInt call 13:01:16 <Belugas> but... 13:01:20 <Belugas> that is not C ;) 13:01:35 <AdditionalData> ha :) 13:01:56 <AdditionalData> is OpenTTD still partially C++ or fully C++ now? 13:02:32 <Belugas> i'd say partially 13:02:36 <AdditionalData> ah 13:02:39 <Yexo> it's completely compiled as C++, but most likely some parts will still compile as C 13:02:59 <AdditionalData> So if I learn C the C++ is going to trip me up? 13:03:15 <planetmaker> probably. 13:03:25 <AdditionalData> thanks, i'm, going now 13:03:27 <AdditionalData> laters. 13:03:29 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-82-46.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:03:44 *** AdditionalData [~chatzilla@88-106-195-214.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729225027]] 13:03:46 <planetmaker> but you might still... 13:03:55 <planetmaker> ... understand it. 13:05:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17297 /trunk/src/lang/english.txt: -Fix [part of FS#3120]: effect of pressing Ctrl was missed in a number of cases 13:05:16 <Belugas> fuck.. wrong merchant numbers 13:05:51 *** TB [91764840@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 13:06:07 <TB> whoho, I have OSX running on my machine :) 13:06:09 <TB> took me long enough ;) 13:06:27 <glx> on amd ? 13:06:52 <TB> no, Intel 13:06:54 <TB> and native :) 13:06:57 <glx> I'm still fighting with 10.5 on vmware 13:07:21 <glx> I hangs on blue screen with multicolor spinner 13:07:26 <TB> will try to install a clean OSX later, but I required a working OSX first to create a bootstrap ... :p 13:07:33 <TB> hahaha, always nice ... :s 13:07:43 <TB> first, let me see how to compile OpenTTD here, to check how long that would take :) 13:07:52 <glx> hehe 13:08:00 <TB> if I had ANY idea how ... 13:08:01 <glx> install macports first :) 13:08:13 <TB> how? :p 13:08:21 <glx> though svn is included in leopard IIRC 13:08:40 <glx> so it's one less thing to compile 13:08:53 <TB> but .. how? :) 13:08:59 <glx> http://www.macports.org/ 13:09:38 <glx> oh you'll need to install xcode first :P 13:09:44 <planetmaker> congratz, TB :-) 13:09:55 <TB> 'forbidden' :s 13:10:04 <TB> (the dmg for macports) 13:10:07 <TB> tnx planetmaker :) 13:10:34 <planetmaker> which reminds me... I should get a new HD today, the new OSX and then try what you asked me :-) 13:10:41 <planetmaker> you wanted 10.4 image, right? 13:11:03 <TB> 10.4, 10.5, 10.6 .. all if anywhere near possible :) 13:11:19 <planetmaker> 10.5 won't be possible. I don't own it. I hope to get 10.6 today. 13:11:35 <planetmaker> and that I won't need anything near a bundle, but that it'll work for 29EUR. 13:11:38 <TB> but 10.4 would be a good enough test-bed ;) 13:11:42 <planetmaker> I care shit about the iLive and iWorks 13:11:46 <planetmaker> (I have iWorks) 13:12:10 <TB> doesn't have OSX by default some package manager? 13:12:15 <planetmaker> If 10.6 is as good as 10.4, then I prefer 10.6. 13:12:19 <planetmaker> I need to install that anyway. 13:12:40 <TB> well, as I said, I need an install inside virtualbox 13:12:40 <planetmaker> then I'll rip the image after a basic install and then continue to make it usable. 13:12:50 <Belugas> yup tyup yup.. no matter ho ready you are, things are doomed to break at the most inconvenient time... 13:12:51 <planetmaker> he, true. Forgot that. 13:12:51 <Belugas> shit 13:13:04 <planetmaker> ok. 13:13:20 * planetmaker hands Belugas a bit glue 13:13:22 <Belugas> no, not you. me. at work 13:13:49 <planetmaker> I figured ;-) 13:15:56 <blathijs> TB: A friend of mine was having "forbidden" troubles with macports as well just now, seems somebody forgot a chmod :-) 13:16:22 <TB> fink has subversion 1.4.4 .... 13:16:33 <tdev> hi all 13:16:34 <TB> blathijs: sucks ..... 13:16:41 <tdev> do you use code testing? 13:16:48 <tdev> as in unit tests or functional tests? 13:16:59 <TB> tdev: NoAI has a regression, but that is all 13:17:38 <tdev> TB, thanks 13:18:07 <TB> glx: how did you install xcode? 13:18:18 <glx> I got it from apple :) 13:18:39 <Yexo> tdev: we do live testing, as in: we release a nightly every day and let users test it ;) 13:18:57 <tdev> ;) 13:18:58 <TB> glx: hmm .. rquires an apple ADC account I guess? 13:19:10 <Rubidium> TB: you got one! 13:19:28 <glx> ADC account are free anyway 13:19:43 <TB> Rubidium: yeah .. even under my own name :p 13:21:32 <TB> although that doesn't seem activated .... :s 13:22:25 <tdev> RoR's new buildbot: http://188.40.228.51:8020/waterfall 13:22:31 <tdev> working quite well :) 13:23:53 <TB> Rubidium: you had a general account, not? As I have no clue why mines doesn't work :( 13:24:20 <Rubidium> hmm... your bouncer ain't connected ;) 13:24:43 <TB> I can't access my regular files, no :p 13:26:09 <TB> cool .. I click download, and I get the same page back 13:26:30 <TB> it started to download on the background ... never noticed :p 13:28:21 <TB> 2.2G ? Holy crap ... 13:28:34 <Rubidium> tdev: why are you trying to push us to use buildbot? 13:29:05 <Rubidium> cause we're not going to use it as we need to do too much modifications to it for it to work without destroying the website during builds 13:29:20 <tdev> Rubidium, i am not doing so 13:29:26 <tdev> i just need to use it for work 13:29:43 <tdev> and appearently my spam is not wished here 13:29:53 <tdev> thus, kthxbye 13:29:56 *** tdev [~tdev@p508EA358.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [Leaving] 13:30:12 <TB> op teentje getrapt" :) (sorry, can't translate that :p) 13:30:39 <blathijs> Touchy? 13:33:05 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE94ad.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:34:34 <TB> xcode works ... 13:35:23 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@80.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:35:28 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@146.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 13:35:32 <TB> macports still doesn't .... 13:38:13 <glx> open the console to check what's wrong 13:38:42 <TB> macports downloads give a "forbidden" 13:38:44 <TB> so ... ;) 13:38:47 <glx> ha 13:39:52 <glx> ho 1.8.0 is recent :) 13:39:58 <glx> I have 1.7.1 13:40:11 <TB> hehe 13:40:18 <TB> where ... can I see an application menu or what ever? 13:40:53 <planetmaker> usually in the Apps folder. 13:41:00 <glx> and indeed I can't get 1.8.0 13:41:03 <planetmaker> But it requires to be a *.app to be there 13:41:18 <TB> apps folder ... 13:41:24 <planetmaker> svn or hg don't show up for me either. Like command line tools on linux don't show up anywhere either. 13:41:33 <TB> ah, /Applications :) 13:41:35 <planetmaker> TB like OpenTTD.app 13:41:36 <Belugas> mmh.. interesting... i've got a script test for a Maestro UK Chip'nPin card 13:41:41 <planetmaker> Those you can drag there. 13:41:47 <planetmaker> But I guess it nees a gui for that. 13:41:59 <glx> console and terminal are in Utilities :) 13:42:02 <planetmaker> otherwise: the usual places /bin /usr/bin 13:42:14 <glx> start them and lock them in the dock :) 13:42:21 <TB> planetmaker: I was more looking for a start menu of some kind 13:42:32 <TB> manual finding application is a bitch .. and using spotlight is annoying 13:42:38 <planetmaker> for what application, TB? 13:42:47 <TB> any! 13:43:06 <TB> I just installed nomachine, and it took long before spotlight saw it ... 13:43:15 <planetmaker> well... you may or may not have them in the /Application folder - depends upon the app ;-) 13:43:22 <TB> sucks 13:43:49 <TB> 3 gcc versions .. yippie! :p 13:43:59 <planetmaker> :-) 13:44:04 <glx> I have only 2 :) 13:44:14 <TB> :p :p 13:44:21 * planetmaker has also only two. 13:44:40 <glx> 10.4 and xcode 2.5 I guess 13:45:18 <glx> gcc-3.3 and gcc-4.0 13:45:23 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.197.105] has joined #openttd 13:45:33 <planetmaker> hm... I might have gcc-3.3, too. Haven't actually used it then. 13:45:45 <TB> 3.3, 4.0 and 4.2 :p 13:45:50 <TB> k .. compiling OpenTTD .. 13:46:02 <planetmaker> I'm using so far xcode 2.4 on OSX 10.4 and a self-compiled gcc 4.5 from around one, two months ago 13:46:29 <planetmaker> the default gcc is form, thouhg 4.0 13:46:34 <planetmaker> *though 13:47:28 * planetmaker wonders what might be 10.6's default gcc. 13:47:30 <glx> I started a restauration to see if it could work, but there's no way to stop it and it's slow 13:48:42 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@173-19-110-59.client.mchsi.com] has joined #openttd 13:50:24 <Eddi|zuHause> http://cgi.ebay.de/Modellbahn-Spur-H0-Doppelte-Gleisverbindung-DDR-8360_W0QQitemZ310164209519QQcmdZViewItem <- hm, i think this is awfully expensive for a set that is missing two pieces 13:51:13 <TB> smallmap_gui ... 13:51:31 <Rubidium> TB: what's wrong with that? 13:51:32 <glx> that's fast TrueBrain 13:51:36 <SmatZ> maybe someone has just those two missing pieces :-P 13:51:39 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.200.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:51:40 <TB> still dead slow .. 13:51:50 <SmatZ> TB: what did you do to TrueBrain?! 13:51:54 <glx> will not take 45m 13:51:55 <Rubidium> TB: beat's glx' 45 minutes though 13:52:03 <TB> it is idling till I get noMachine to work :p 13:52:05 <Rubidium> s/'s/s/ 13:52:20 <TB> yeah, but beating glx' time wasn't hard 13:52:23 <TB> native vs emulated .. 13:52:36 <TB> although I am currently running the VESA driver ... :p 13:52:57 <TB> [SRC] Linking openttd 13:52:58 <TB> hmm 13:52:58 <glx> vmware is not really emulated, but without vmware video driver a VM is dead slow 13:53:08 <TB> real 6m48.586s 13:53:14 <glx> not bad 13:53:21 <TB> glx: because it gets emulated ;) But okay :) 13:53:32 <glx> cpu is not emulated :) 13:53:33 <TB> Rubidium: how long does the CF take to do 1 target? 13:53:38 <TB> glx: video is ;) 13:53:48 <glx> yes and it uses a core :) 13:53:53 <TB> hmm .. I need opensfx and opengfx 13:55:30 <TB> where did you put those on binaries, Rubidium ? 13:56:15 <Rubidium> http://binaries.openttd.org/installer/ (or http://mz.openttdcoop.org/bundles/open[gs]fx/) 13:56:28 <TB> they are not listed in index.html ... ;) 13:56:36 <Rubidium> TB: ~13 minutes per target 13:56:51 <Rubidium> TB: it's intentionally not listed in index.html 13:56:57 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 13:57:35 <glx> hmm he will need 7zip :) 13:57:43 <TB> yup .. I don't have it, neither does fink :( 13:57:54 <Rubidium> then use mz 13:58:02 <TB> Rubidium: so I am faster than the CF? :s 13:58:14 <Rubidium> TB: how many cores? 13:58:27 <TB> one 13:58:34 <TB> well .. -j1 13:58:37 <TB> (and one core) 13:58:42 <Rubidium> so yes, then you're quite a bit faster than the CF 13:59:52 <glx> TB: not universal build though ;) 14:00:16 <TB> a single target, yes 14:00:21 <TB> whoho, it runs! 14:00:37 <TB> it looks ugly :p (screen-res is non-widescreen :p) 14:01:16 <TB> hmm .. opengfx on mz is not the one in BaNaNaS :( 14:01:47 <TB> haha, and downloading it doesn't fix it :p 14:02:08 <Eddi|zuHause> what's this sudden interest in macos all about? 14:02:18 <TB> OpenGFX.0.1.0_alpha6.tar vsopengfx-0.1.0-alpha6.tar 14:02:19 <Rubidium> TB: then the one on mz is newer 14:02:21 <TB> Eddi|zuHause: 'sudden'? 14:02:30 <TB> Eddi|zuHause: we have been trying for months, if not years 14:02:41 <Rubidium> *or* at least the md5 checksums differ 14:02:49 <Eddi|zuHause> well, "increased activity since yesterday" 14:03:01 <Ammler> [16:01] <TB> hmm .. opengfx on mz is not the one in BaNaNaS ? <-- the bananas version is the tar in the bundle, afaik. 14:03:18 <TB> Eddi|zuHause: yesterday? No again. But yes, I found a method that allows me to install it on my own machine, and glx found a way to install it on vmware 14:03:35 <Ammler> we made it that way, so windows user have access to the docs, without untar tool. 14:03:36 <TB> the naming difference is a bit silly 14:04:03 <TB> (as that will give bugreports :p) 14:04:33 <Eddi|zuHause> then i will wish you good luck with getting it to work ;) 14:04:43 <TB> Eddi|zuHause: tnx :) 14:05:48 <Eddi|zuHause> http://cgi.ebay.de/HO-Piko-kurze-gerade-Schienen-85-Stueck-Set-3_W0QQitemZ130326822540QQcmdZViewItem <- ok, this could solve my distinct lack of balancer pieces ;) 14:06:11 <TB> okay, now compiling an universal build .. we will see :) 14:06:25 <TB> Rubidium: you said 13 minutes per target, but doesn't it do 3 targets? Or does it really take 39 minutes? 14:10:04 <Rubidium> TB: it takes 2369 seconds 14:12:35 <TB> @calc 2369 / 3 / 60 14:12:35 <DorpsGek> TB: 13.1611111111 14:12:39 <TB> auch 14:12:39 <TB> k :) 14:12:40 <TB> tnx 14:20:43 <TB> going to install a retail OSX on my external drive ... ghehe :) 14:25:42 <TB> 17 minutes, universal build 14:27:46 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.104.70] has joined #openttd 14:28:15 <TB> @calc 17 * 60 / 2369 14:28:15 <DorpsGek> TB: 0.43056141832 14:28:19 <TB> auch :p 14:30:18 <glx> with all required libs? 14:30:27 <glx> and optional ones? 14:30:52 <TB> dunno 14:31:25 <TB> not libpng 14:31:48 <TB> not libicu 14:31:50 <TB> the rest seems so 14:32:10 *** sdafsdf [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:32:10 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:32:19 *** sdafsdf is now known as LadyHawk 14:56:25 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-115-229.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [Quit: I'll get you next episode, Inspector Gadget! NEXT EPISODE!] 14:57:21 <Rubidium> TB: universal cross-build takes 20 minutes on my machine (-j1) 14:57:43 <Rubidium> on a Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T9400 @ 2.53GHz 15:06:09 <TB> I have an ...T5750 15:06:10 <TB> dunno the speed 15:06:18 <TB> 2 GHz :p 15:06:24 <TB> so native is faster than cross :p 15:07:43 <Rubidium> maybe I didn't use -O3 with the cross compiler 15:08:06 <TB> I used ./configure 15:08:09 <TB> no extra thingies 15:08:15 <TB> oh, to make the compiler 15:08:16 <TB> hehe, sorry :) 15:08:32 <TB> okay, retail install done .. going to try it out :) 15:09:02 <TB> 'top' really consumes 4% CPU :s 15:09:13 <TB> inefficient piece of crap 15:09:23 <TB> k, bbl ... 15:09:28 <Rubidium> ciao 15:09:29 *** TB [91764840@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: bbl] 15:11:52 <Eddi|zuHause> why does the forum so frequently log me out? 15:17:21 *** Aankhen`` [~foo@122.162.167.218] has joined #openttd 15:23:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r17298 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 3 dirs): -Fix [FS#3153]: reloading an AI started a new AI in the first available company slot causing other AIs to be started 15:24:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17299 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Fix: the tooltip could get truncated under some circumstances due to its custom string height determination 15:25:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17300 /trunk/src/lang/english.txt: -Fix [FS#3120]: mention of Ctrl modifier was missing from some tooltips 15:25:50 <OwenS> Rubidium: Trying to get to r20000 faster? :p 15:26:05 <Rubidium> yeah 15:26:07 <OwenS> lol 15:26:17 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn13-0-0-cust18.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:26:40 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn13-0-0-cust18.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 15:26:56 <OwenS> Apparently I have a lag of 2s to oftc today =/ 15:27:33 <Eddi|zuHause> hey, someone with a worse ping than me. that's rare... 15:27:38 <OwenS> Perhaps that rTorrent is currently running at 1MB/s may be a part of it :p 15:27:53 <OwenS> 990ms, somewhat better 15:28:01 <glx> limit the up 15:28:09 <OwenS> It is limited 15:29:20 <Eddi|zuHause> limit it to something significantly less than the actual bandwidth 15:30:13 <OwenS> Hmm... dropping it down another 5kb/s seems to have hit the sweetspot 15:30:43 <Eddi|zuHause> and put irc packages into the prioritised queue 15:30:57 <OwenS> I would need a QOS capable router for that :p 15:31:31 <Aankhen``> Meh, QoS. I enabled that on my router, doesn't seem to make any difference. 15:31:41 <OwenS> You need QoS aware apps first :p 15:32:04 <Aankhen``> Oh? I thought it was just a matter of saying "stuff on this port is important, stuff on that port isn't". o_O 15:32:24 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, that's the easiest variant ;) 15:32:44 <OwenS> QoS normally works (or should work :P ) by using 4 bits in the IP header as the priority 15:33:03 <Aankhen``> I see. 15:33:13 <Eddi|zuHause> but the default settings here prioritise only small packets (ACK) and interactive ssh traffic 15:33:24 <Terkhen> 44 strings... it seems like I have some work to do :P 15:33:33 <Eddi|zuHause> i had to insert the irc traffic there manually 15:33:50 <OwenS> I have a feeling I'm going to get throttled tonight... 15:33:57 <Eddi|zuHause> and create a new queue for "unimportant" packets (i.e. torrent) 15:34:42 <OwenS> If all routers were IP QoS capable it would be easy: Just have the torrent client set it's QoS priority to -1... 15:34:59 <OwenS> Though that wouldn't work inbound... 15:35:32 <Eddi|zuHause> inbound bandwidth is usually shaped by dropping ACK packets 15:35:57 <Eddi|zuHause> any sane sender will then throttle their upload rate 15:36:00 <OwenS> Thats a rather crappy shaping method. Advertising an artificially low window size would be better... 15:36:28 <Eddi|zuHause> well, again, it's the easiest method 15:36:58 <OwenS> But it actually increases bandwidth wastage vs saying "I only have a packets worth of buffer left in my window, please slow down your sending" 15:38:20 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, you basically throw away packets that you received perfectly well 15:38:27 <Xaroth> where's TrueBrain when you need him :/ 15:39:08 <OwenS> I also wish NAT routers would support SCTP since it's a lovely protocol... 15:39:30 * Aankhen`` looks up SCTP. 15:41:14 <Aankhen``> Sounds interesting, but mostly went over my head due to a lack of familiarity with the subject matter. Ah well. 15:41:25 <OwenS> SCTP is basically an unreliable or reliable, ordered or unordered datagram protocol with support for multiple streams inside a connection 15:41:41 <SpComb> hmm, unreliable? 15:41:43 <Aankhen``> Streams? 15:41:50 * Aankhen`` waves at SpComb. 15:41:58 <Aankhen``> OwenS: Streams as in unrelated flows of data? 15:42:02 <OwenS> Multiple streams means it can contain multiple "virtual sockets" 15:42:18 <Aankhen``> Okay. 15:42:48 <SpComb> oh look, Aankhen 15:42:53 <Aankhen``> Where?! 15:42:56 <OwenS> It pretty much checks every box you could want checking 15:42:56 <Aankhen``> KILL IT WITH FIRE 15:43:00 <SpComb> didn't even recognize the nick at first glance 15:43:03 <Aankhen``> OwenS: Indeed it does. 15:43:25 <OwenS> Except the "Crosses consumer NATs" box, which is a fault of said consumer NATs... 15:43:38 <Aankhen``> SpComb: Good thing I didn't use one of my newer nicks, eh? 15:44:10 <SpComb> hmm, wikipedia claims SCTP has unreliable transport, but I fail to find that feature in the socket API 15:44:32 <SpComb> SCTP doesn't do multicast, though :( 15:44:36 <OwenS> Oh sorry, it also fails to check the "Supported by Windows" box 15:44:48 <Aankhen``> Aha. 15:44:58 <OwenS> SpComb: Reliable tranmission and multicast are pretty much mutually exclusive... 15:45:26 <SpComb> "Stream: A unidirectional logical channel established from one to 15:45:41 <SpComb> "Stream: A unidirectional logical channel established from one to another associated SCTP endpoint, within which all user messages are delivered in sequence except for those submitted to the unordered delivery service" 15:45:43 <joachim> SmatZ: did you stop working on 3d? 15:45:49 <SpComb> I might be ready to claim that SCTP doesn't offer unreliable transport 15:47:07 <SpComb> but it seems there exists an extension 15:47:48 <OwenS> Unfortunately it seems my man pages don't include SCTP... 15:48:05 <OwenS> Aah yeah IETF Working draft 15:49:05 <Belugas> joachim, yes, indeed. now, SmatZ only works on a plain paper sheet, in 2d! 15:52:44 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: AS A VAGINA ONCE SAID: <yorick> SOMEONE BAN HIM] 15:53:13 <SpComb> OwenS: it doesn't come with the default set 15:53:39 <SpComb> debian has libsctp1 15:53:56 <OwenS> libsctp is a userspace implementation on top of UDP IIRC 15:54:23 <SpComb> libsctp-dev: /usr/share/man/man7/sctp.7.gz 15:54:34 <SpComb> no, it's the SCTP socket API extension 15:54:47 <SpComb> *extensions 15:55:02 <SpComb> sctp_connectx/sctp_bindx/etc (which are just get/setsockopts on linux) 15:55:03 <OwenS> Shouldn't they be in libc? =S 15:55:10 <SpComb> too marginal, I guess 15:55:21 <SpComb> and the API is pretty badly designed 15:55:29 <OwenS> Wait who am I kidding, this is glibc were talking about 15:55:45 <OwenS> The project headed by a developer who flat out refuses to implement strlcpy/strlcat... 15:55:47 <SpComb> it takes a `struct sockaddr` array... 15:56:11 <SpComb> which is rather nonsensical 15:56:22 <OwenS> What does? 15:56:29 <SpComb> the sctp_bind/connectx functions 15:56:35 <OwenS> SCTP does IP multihoming 15:56:47 <SpComb> well, mainly because `struct sockaddr` doesn't have a defined length 15:57:07 <SpComb> so it loops through it, and picks out sockaddr_in/sockaddr_in6's based on the sa_family field 15:57:30 <SpComb> such that the array can contain a mixture of sockaddr_in/sockaddr_in6's, which are of different lengths... 15:58:02 <SpComb> which is a terrifically horrible C API 15:59:19 *** TB [91764840@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:59:30 <OwenS> I'll admit freaky but I've seen worse 15:59:32 <TB> I have a vanilla Leopard running ;) 15:59:53 <TB> well, of course there is the software EFI emulation, and a few extensions which disable .. euh .. various of thingies :) 15:59:58 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 16:00:12 <TB> now updating to 10.5.8 .... 16:00:14 <OwenS> lol 16:00:54 <TB> fun thing: it runs on a external USB HD ... and it is quick! 16:01:02 <Xaroth> TB! 16:01:05 <Xaroth> read yer other window 16:01:17 <TB> Xaroth: I can't access my normal IRC atm 16:01:21 <Xaroth> i'll summarize 16:01:22 <Xaroth> I GOTS IT 16:01:22 <Belugas> yer? 16:01:23 <TB> NoMachine refuses to run on OSX for now :( 16:01:24 <Belugas> year? 16:01:30 <TB> Xaroth: COOL! :) 16:01:50 <Xaroth> read other window soon. 16:01:53 <Xaroth> off to home 16:01:56 <TB> will do 16:01:57 <TB> enjoy :) 16:01:58 <SpComb> OwenS: yeah, one must admit that it's an API whereby it's at least /possible/ to implement/call it correctly (if you limit it to only certain address families) 16:02:37 *** TB [91764840@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [] 16:08:17 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FA6A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:10:00 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:14:50 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 16:16:27 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 16:21:46 <Terkhen> Start a new game. Ctrl+Click skips map configuration <--- and I thought I knew most of the features toggled by Ctrl 16:23:38 <Ammler> could someone help me, what those nfo warning means: http://pastebin.ca/1545968 16:24:27 *** DaleStan [~Dale@98.223.108.117] has joined #openttd 16:28:28 <OwenS> SpComb: I'd say it's possible to call right either way, just somewhat bass ackward 16:30:38 <Terkhen> where should I report typos at original (english) strings? 16:32:57 <Belugas> typos? 16:33:00 <Belugas> mmh... 16:33:04 <Belugas> lots? 16:33:15 <Terkhen> only one 16:33:22 <Belugas> like? 16:33:30 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-248-075-030.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 16:33:34 <Terkhen> {BLACK}Centre main view on hangar location. Ctrl+Click opens a new viewport on hanger location 16:34:54 <Belugas> Centre -> Center / hanger -> hangar? 16:35:03 <Belugas> that's two, right? 16:35:09 *** Aankhen`` [~foo@122.162.167.218] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:35:14 <Terkhen> mmm... I only noticed hangar -> hanger 16:35:38 <Terkhen> I thought centre was correct 16:35:56 * Belugas wonders if we have an original english translator... 16:36:08 <Belugas> well.. it FEELS wrong to me, but... not a native 16:37:30 *** Aankhen`` [~foo@122.162.167.218] has joined #openttd 16:37:35 *** Aankhen`` [~foo@122.162.167.218] has quit [] 16:38:30 <Coco-Banana-Man> afaik centre is BE and center AE? 16:38:40 <Coco-Banana-Man> (British English/American English) 16:39:01 <Belugas> see? not a native ^_^ 16:39:20 <Coco-Banana-Man> same here ^^ 16:39:29 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeji52.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:40:00 <Coco-Banana-Man> But that's what I've been told at school... 16:40:33 <Terkhen> the same as color / colour? It was hard for me to stop using both randomly :P 16:40:39 <Coco-Banana-Man> yes 16:40:56 <Terkhen> I see 16:41:52 *** Coco-Banana-Man is now known as Coco|away 16:45:01 *** DJNekkid [~tmsmje@static217-26.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 16:47:33 <TrueBrain> whoho, nomachine works :) 16:47:37 <TrueBrain> OSX 10.5.8 runs too 16:47:47 <Rubidium> Centre is correct for Brittish English 16:47:58 <Belugas> roger that 16:49:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17301 /trunk/src/lang/english.txt: -Fix (r17297): typo 16:49:20 <Belugas> damned! 16:49:28 <Belugas> i was about to press Enter! 16:50:24 *** Mesolicious [~foo@122.162.167.218] has joined #openttd 16:50:37 <Rubidium> sorry :) 16:50:49 <Belugas> how could you have known ;) 16:51:14 <Rubidium> telepathy? 16:54:33 <Belugas> if only it was invented... 16:54:46 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:04:21 <Mesolicious> Is there any documentation on this "Autoroad" thingie? 17:04:42 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 17:04:56 <Mesolicious> Hi Lakie. 17:05:01 *** Mesolicious is now known as Aankhen`` 17:05:08 <Lakie> Hi Aankhen``. 17:05:15 <Aankhen``> How's it going? Long time. :-) 17:05:37 <Lakie> Fairly slow, waiting for peeps to get back to me about what I can and cannot do. :/ 17:05:55 <Aankhen``> In what regard? 17:06:19 <Rubidium> documentation about "autoroad"? It's like autorail 17:06:26 <Lakie> Uni 17:06:54 <Aankhen``> Rubidium: Ah, thanks. First time I'm trying OpenTTD, pretty much. 17:07:09 <Aankhen``> Lakie: Oh. That sucks. 17:07:24 <Lakie> Yup 17:08:03 <Rubidium> so it's the normal road thingy, but you can drag it in all directions instead only in X or Y direction 17:10:05 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@196.144.99-84.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:10:22 <Aankhen``> Rubidium: Merci. 17:16:29 *** Wolle [DrJekyll@p57B0BC4A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:17:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17302 /branches/0.7/src/ (8 files in 5 dirs): 17:17:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.7] -Backport from trunk: 17:17:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NoAI] Reloading an AI started a new AI in the first available company slot causing other AIs to be started [FS#3153] (r17298) 17:17:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Crash after upgrading base graphics set when opening the game options menu and you were using the upgraded set [FS#3147] (r17291) 17:17:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: [Squirrel] Stack was not always cleared properly with tail recursion (r17284) 17:17:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: [Squirrel] Calling a function that has default parameters with not enough parameters can cause a crash (r17273) 17:17:24 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Change: Mention the MD5 checksum of the original NewGRF in the "saveload failed horribly"-error message and make it more clear that the filename is of the current NewGRF [FS#3139] (r17267) 17:22:08 <Rubidium> Terkhenm, those other strings weren't part of what I changed today ;) Nevertheless... translation reviews are good 17:24:54 <Terkhen> okay, thanks :) 17:26:33 *** nicfer1 [~Usuario@168.226.104.70] has joined #openttd 17:26:33 <petern> heh 17:26:41 <petern> and now everyone will wonder what terkhen wrote 17:26:53 <petern> p.s. your signature is a bit big 17:29:04 <Terkhen> I was mistaken from reading that "version" somewhere, I did not want to spread incorrect information so I just removed it quickly 17:29:44 <Terkhen> okay, I was thinking on changing its format anyways 17:31:40 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.104.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:35:56 *** oskari89 [oskari89@212-149-207-211.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:36:22 *** goodger_ [~ben@host86-148-9-59.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: I am goodger, please insert pepsi max] 17:37:15 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:38:35 <TrueBrain> bah, I can't get the video driver to work as I would like :( 17:42:30 *** MizardX is now known as MizardX- 17:43:47 *** oskari89 [oskari89@212-149-207-211.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Utm Aœ - Aja 35] 17:46:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r17303 /trunk/src/lang/ (french.txt german.txt spanish.txt): 17:46:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:46:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: french - 30 changes by glx 17:46:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 38 changes by Roujin 17:46:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: spanish - 103 changes by Terkhen 17:47:09 <TrueBrain> thank you WT3.0 17:54:15 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE94ad.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 18:11:42 *** bb10_ [~nn@dhcp-077-248-075-030.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 18:14:29 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-248-075-030.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:17:21 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE94ad.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:19:56 *** kadmoz [kadmoz@88-117-117-132.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 18:25:44 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 18:34:31 *** fjb [~frank@p5485CBA2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:34:48 <fjb> Hello 18:35:34 <Alberth> hello 18:35:50 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db1ae4c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: bis dann] 18:35:50 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:35:55 <TrueBrain> hello 18:36:42 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 18:39:31 *** thingwath [~thingie@88.83.164.57] has quit [Quit: It's all over.] 18:44:14 <planetmaker> hello 18:44:34 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: VirtualBox doesn't recognize my MacCDs. 18:44:45 <TrueBrain> so that wasn't just me :s 18:45:27 <TrueBrain> how does 10.6 work planetmaker? :p 18:45:41 <planetmaker> not yet :-) The HDD which I liked for it wasn't available. 18:46:21 <planetmaker> so I'll have to be patient till Monday or so. 18:46:55 <TrueBrain> but okay, you can download a boot-123 iso, which helps you booting it 18:47:31 <planetmaker> I guess that's what you did? 18:47:36 <TrueBrain> yup 18:47:53 <TrueBrain> any bootloader will do btw, if you can select where it boots from 18:47:57 <planetmaker> My guess is, if I do that, too, it won't differ from what you produce... 18:48:16 <TrueBrain> well, the install can't succeed here 18:48:22 <TrueBrain> beause of a few hardware related issues :p 18:48:27 <planetmaker> ah 18:48:37 <TrueBrain> but it is claimed that virtualbox does work ;) 18:48:39 <planetmaker> well, it depends upon what virtualbox emulates 18:49:16 <planetmaker> got a link for the boot-123 iso? Hm... I guess it fails then that I don't have CDs which can be written upon ;-) 18:49:27 <planetmaker> though... images can be read. 18:49:29 <TrueBrain> load it into virtualbox :p 18:49:31 <TrueBrain> no need to burn 18:49:40 <planetmaker> how big is the ISO? 18:49:46 <TrueBrain> a few meg 18:49:55 <planetmaker> that's fine then 18:49:58 <TrueBrain> http://rawr.xaroth.nl/wiki/index.php/File_List 18:50:00 <TrueBrain> doh 18:50:10 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truebrain/orig_boot-132.iso 18:51:04 <Xaroth> yeh, they can't get on rawr :P 18:51:25 <TrueBrain> sorry about that Xaroth ;) 18:51:36 <TrueBrain> my copy/paste buffer does not always work 18:51:41 * Xaroth shrugs 18:51:54 <Xaroth> not like it's got sekrits on it 18:52:00 <TrueBrain> still ;) 18:58:27 *** kadmoz [kadmoz@88-117-117-132.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.11/2009060313]] 19:04:33 <planetmaker> hm... and how does that help me, TrueBrain ? 19:04:53 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: boot from that, switch CDs (virtual of course), enter enter 19:05:00 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FA6A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:05:01 <TrueBrain> then it should boot 19:05:17 <planetmaker> hm.... ok, another try for that procedure 19:08:07 <planetmaker> same procedure doesn't work now either. I guess I tried in all different combinations that before 19:08:28 <TrueBrain> :'( 19:08:32 <TrueBrain> stupid virtualbox! 19:09:19 <glx> still no luck for me 19:10:48 <planetmaker> hm... 19:11:01 <planetmaker> what kinda OS did you tell VirtualBox to install? 19:11:17 <planetmaker> and what's the password to my first registration at sun? 19:15:06 <Aankhen``> secure123? 19:15:12 <Belugas> and why is that cloud stealing the eggs of my cocoon? 19:15:13 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@2a01:270:dd00:7701:1337:1337:1337:1337] has joined #openttd 19:15:18 <z-MaTRiX> hey-ho :) 19:15:45 <z-MaTRiX> bb 19:16:11 <Belugas> Be back? 19:16:20 <planetmaker> http://www.openttdcoop.org/files/pm/bild2.png <-- The only result I get (next to No boot medium when not using the iso) 19:16:22 <Belugas> Bursting Bubbles? 19:16:32 <Belugas> Bitching babyes? 19:16:53 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE94ad.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 19:17:21 <Belugas> Beheading brachyosaurus? 19:17:30 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@2a01:270:dd00:7701:1337:1337:1337:1337] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:17:31 *** z-matrica [~matrix@nude.lesbianbath.com] has joined #openttd 19:27:03 <Eddi|zuHause> the poor things... 19:27:09 <Eddi|zuHause> no wonder they got extinct 19:27:38 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: that is kind of wrong ... oh well .... 19:27:41 <TrueBrain> tnx for trying anyway :) 19:28:58 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: wrong in what way? 19:29:22 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: it should give you another boot thingy 19:29:27 <Belugas> left instead of right 19:29:33 <Belugas> up instead of down 19:29:35 <planetmaker> ah, hm. right 19:29:41 <Belugas> no...left 19:29:44 <TrueBrain> what looks like when you hit F8 at boottime 19:29:46 <planetmaker> that it never does :-( 19:29:48 <TrueBrain> (in OSX :p) 19:30:18 <Eddi|zuHause> up is down. 19:30:19 <planetmaker> that looks way different... 19:30:26 <planetmaker> 1 = -1 19:30:59 <TrueBrain> I can proof that! 19:31:36 <Eddi|zuHause> in a way that i did not see it a hundred times already? 19:31:45 <planetmaker> ;-) 19:31:47 <TrueBrain> last time I did it via gcc! 19:32:14 <TrueBrain> well, that 1 == 2, but there is no limitatio to either number 19:33:51 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:34:06 <PeterT> yexo? 19:34:15 <Yexo> hello PeterT 19:34:28 <PeterT> could you give me the link for YChat again? i am on a different computer 19:35:04 <Yexo> http://www.silverex.org/download/ 19:35:31 <PeterT> thanks yexo :) 19:35:40 <Yexo> np ;) 19:35:50 <PeterT> TrueBrain: I just got my book on C++ 19:36:08 <Yexo> PeterT: it's the first result if you google for "xchat windows" 19:36:50 <PeterT> i thought this was ychat... 19:38:14 <Yexo> it's the same program :p 19:38:48 <PeterT> ok, be right back 19:38:51 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:38:55 <Yexo> official name is XChat, but the official windows binaries are non-free. As the code is gpl some other people compile it and offer free binaries, but the code automatically renames those versions to YChat 19:39:49 <Alberth> that explanation is way better than I thought :) 19:39:56 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 19:42:04 <TrueBrain> you got to love 'GPL' projects :) 19:42:49 <TrueBrain> lets do it for OpenTTD! And name the 'free' version FreeTTD! :p 19:43:28 <Rubidium> no, rename OpenTTD to OTTD and name the 'free' version PTTD 19:44:24 <Yexo> quote from INSTALL.w32: "Note: This source code is meant for Linux/Unix like systems. Compiling this for Windows will produce a below-par quality product. The official XChat for Windows is not built with this unix source code." 19:45:20 <Rubidium> does sound like a violation of GPL 19:45:48 <Yexo> not necesarliy, they can double-license all their code 19:47:27 <Rubidium> true, though then you'd likely find traces of that in the readme/COPYING of XChat 19:48:03 <Yexo> COPYING is the gpl v2 licence 19:48:26 <Rubidium> does anything tell it's licensed differently? 19:48:34 <Yexo> nope 19:48:51 <Yexo> the windows installer doesn't ask anything about a license at all 19:49:00 <Yexo> and the 'windows srouces' are nowhere to be found 19:49:38 <Rubidium> then *if* you got a XChat in a legal manner you ought to get the sources of the binary, including the makefile/build scripts used to compile it 19:49:54 <Rubidium> when you ask for it 19:50:06 <Rubidium> and not the YChat sources 19:50:13 <Yexo> Rubidium: I can get the makefile / build scripts of YChat, but not of XChat 19:50:26 <Yexo> and they don't have to give them to me as long as no gpl-only code is included 19:50:48 <Yexo> as soon as I submit a patch under gpl, they can use it in their unix version but not in their windows version without making it gpl 19:51:00 <Yexo> s/I/someone/, but I can't check that 19:52:05 <Rubidium> but you just said that XChat is released with only a notice that it is GPLv2 19:52:14 <Rubidium> so it IS GPLv2 19:53:59 <Yexo> Rubidium: that's the source that has that notice 19:55:24 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-9-59.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:58:40 <Rubidium> it's automatically buildable for Windows? That sounds like really crappy code, not sure whether I would spend any money for that 19:59:10 <Yexo> apparantly it needs some tricks to build on windows 20:00:53 <planetmaker> he... long time no seen: assertion upon load in clean trunk... 20:02:15 <planetmaker> hm... nvm, I guess. Probably a FIRS incompatibility issue 20:02:22 *** LordAzamath [~rightwing@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 20:02:42 <planetmaker> though funnily OpenTTD tells me that the save has no newgrfs where I know it has three :-) 20:02:44 * TrueBrain hugs LadyHawk 20:02:53 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: hehe, sounds .. wrong? :) 20:03:06 <Rubidium> planetmaker: care to share the savegame? 20:03:09 <planetmaker> yup. As is the reported OS-version 20:03:14 <planetmaker> Rubidium: yes, I care. 20:03:41 <planetmaker> I just try to find out what grfs in detail were loaded. As a compatible FIRS was loaded. 20:03:51 <Rubidium> huh? reported OS version? 20:03:56 <Rubidium> what's wrong with that? 20:04:32 <planetmaker> I have 10.4.11 not 10.4.9 20:04:59 * Rubidium wonders what part of OTTD actually does that 20:05:04 <Rubidium> probably the unsupported part 20:05:09 <planetmaker> I have a screeny :-) 20:06:00 <Rubidium> oh... Bjarni code! 20:06:50 <Rubidium> http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/browser/trunk/src/os/macosx/macos.mm#L39 <- you're getting that 20:07:18 <Rubidium> presists? 20:07:31 <TrueBrain> lol, no 64bit support? :p 20:07:43 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [] 20:08:02 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: do you have an idea what the right subtypes are? 20:08:03 <TrueBrain> no wonder he says no newgrfs .... :p 20:08:29 <TrueBrain> a good /* tend to do that :) 20:09:14 <Rubidium> planetmaker: 10.4.9 for 10.4.11 is a documented OSX feature! 20:09:14 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: filtering on subtype only is bad 20:09:23 <TrueBrain> CPU_TYPE_X86_64, CPU_TYPE_I386, ... 20:09:26 <glx> oh I should crash openttd to see what it detects in my vmware 20:10:13 <planetmaker> Hm... I'm fairly sure it's another occurance of "I didn't find the right grf, and used one with the same ID at random..." 20:10:31 <Rubidium> anyhow, the crash is *after* loading the savegame 20:10:41 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: it just underlines the euh, what is the english ... 'badness' of the OSX port? :) 20:10:55 <planetmaker> ... which is not compatible. But yes, after the loading. 20:11:48 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think it's wise to keep multiple "development" versions of a grf around... it's really asking for trouble :p 20:12:19 <TrueBrain> http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/macho/0.2/doc/html/Data-Macho.html#t%3ACPU_SUBTYPE <- now that is a list .... 20:12:27 <TrueBrain> and who says OSX doesn't support many CPUs? :p 20:12:43 <Rubidium> If the values of the minor or bug fix revision are larger than 9, then gestaltSystemVersion will substitute the value 9 for them. For example, Mac OS X 10.3.15 will be returned as 0x1039, and Mac OS X 10.10.5 will return 0x1095. 20:13:28 <TrueBrain> sounds like a useful feature :p 20:14:54 <Rubidium> pff... what an awful mess is macos.mm 20:15:44 <Alberth> one dev was frustrated with the number of calls about the computer not being able to count :p 20:16:00 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: you should not have opened that file :p 20:16:57 <Alberth> Rubidium goes boldly where others dare not go :p 20:17:47 <Eddi|zuHause> where no sane human has gone before :p 20:20:25 <Rubidium> so... and it's not a new bug! 20:20:49 <Rubidium> just shoved the whole mess cleanup into the OSX port outdated bug :) 20:20:55 <planetmaker> nope, it's not a new bug ;-) 20:21:08 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B2E05.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:22:14 <TrueBrain> cool, I can boot OSX from my External HD in VirtualBox :p 20:22:38 <Rubidium> wut... booting OSX in vbox? 20:22:39 <planetmaker> uploading to Flyspray. But it will take its time with all newgrf attached :-) 20:22:40 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined #openttd 20:22:43 <planetmaker> oh done. 20:22:49 <planetmaker> FS3155 20:23:01 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: well, the starting-phase worked, yes 20:23:11 <TrueBrain> which means absolutely nothing :p 20:23:23 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B2D0D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:23:26 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 20:24:30 <Rubidium> planetmaker: that savegame crashes after a few days, right? 20:24:44 <planetmaker> I guess it might have been one or two day. 20:25:07 <planetmaker> crashing with the attached firs.grf should probably be ok. It's a very, very, very early grf of first 20:25:09 <planetmaker> *firs 20:25:29 <Rubidium> can you get a backtrace? 20:25:44 <Rubidium> (just to compare it with the one I have) 20:25:56 <planetmaker> I guess. Will need me to attache gdb to it, right? 20:26:21 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:26:24 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 20:26:24 <Rubidium> yup 20:26:41 <Rubidium> though what's pretending to be a lumbermill? 20:27:40 *** Coco|away is now known as Coco-Banana-Man 20:27:49 <planetmaker> http://paste.openttd.org/211416 20:27:59 <planetmaker> I've no idea what is pretending to be that. Maybe a wood 20:28:16 <Rubidium> hmm, can you enable debugging? Seems the same though 20:29:01 <planetmaker> -d 9 ? 20:29:09 <planetmaker> or how much? 20:29:10 <Rubidium> no, compile with debugging stuff 20:29:20 <Rubidium> as in ./configure --enable-debug=3 20:29:27 <planetmaker> oh, he 20:30:07 <TrueBrain> nope, it refuses to boot in VirtualBox, for reasons I fail to understand :) 20:30:10 <TrueBrain> (it hangs in ACPI :p) 20:31:21 <TrueBrain> and the lack of VT-X doesn't make this any easier :p 20:31:31 <planetmaker> VT-X? 20:31:39 <TrueBrain> AMD-V and VT-X 20:31:52 <glx> hardware virtualisation in cpu 20:31:55 <TrueBrain> CPU extensions to make virtualization easier :) 20:31:59 <planetmaker> ah, thx 20:32:00 <glx> or something like that :) 20:32:06 <TrueBrain> and I have the only in the T5 serie which does NOT have it :( 20:32:15 <TrueBrain> (for no real reason ... as I am sure it is in the CPU, just not enabled) 20:33:25 <planetmaker> and all this trouble only as I wanted to see how the firs' sandpit looks with snow... 20:33:26 <glx> I have a X2 3800+ and no AMD-V (of course I have a socket 939 not an AM2) 20:33:41 <planetmaker> or rather semi-transparent ground tiles 20:33:52 <TrueBrain> glx: I thought all X2s had AMD-V? Mine 3000+ and 3200+ both do ... 20:34:01 <glx> only AM2 socket 20:34:05 <TrueBrain> ah ... 20:34:06 <TrueBrain> sucks 20:35:14 <glx> doens't really matter with vmware anyway (I can run 64bit VM on 32bit host) 20:35:37 <glx> but it's a no-go for virtual box 20:36:27 <planetmaker> Rubidium: http://pastebin.ca/1546257 20:36:30 <Rubidium> planetmaker: the industries around tile 44173 are completely different with firs.grf that the others 20:36:35 <planetmaker> doesn't look much different to me 20:36:48 <planetmaker> (the bt) 20:37:40 <Rubidium> by the way r213M doesn't crash 20:37:52 <planetmaker> I would also wonder, if :-) 20:38:03 <planetmaker> Pixel colour is something OpenTTD shouldn't care about 20:38:27 <Rubidium> though firs.grf does crash 20:38:32 <planetmaker> (at least in that way) 20:38:42 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-248-075-030.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 20:38:43 <planetmaker> well, as said: it's ok, if it doesn't work 20:38:47 <Rubidium> however, firs.grf is 100 KiB smaller than the tars 20:38:49 <planetmaker> it's not meant to be compatible 20:39:25 <planetmaker> (though they claim) 20:39:32 <Rubidium> huh? there what's the issue with that bug? 20:40:29 <Rubidium> both tars work fine 20:40:29 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 20:40:39 <planetmaker> [22:00] <planetmaker> he... long time no seen: assertion upon load in clean trunk... 20:40:41 <planetmaker> [22:01] <planetmaker> hm... nvm, I guess. Probably a FIRS incompatibility issue 20:40:41 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:40:44 <TrueBrain> and now I am back to invalid uuid to boot from my disk ... bah 20:40:45 <planetmaker> :-) 20:40:54 <Rubidium> the firs.grf which looks ancient to me does crash 20:41:13 <planetmaker> yes. It doesn't have all industries, I guess 20:42:14 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:42:23 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:42:32 <TrueBrain> I guess I just ened to install the voodoo kernel and try that .. 20:43:01 <TrueBrain> but now first a good nap, tomorrow BAZ! (boulderen aan zee, beach-bouldering) .. hmm ... now lets hope it doesn't rain as it did today :) 20:43:03 <TrueBrain> night all!! 20:43:10 <PeterT> good night, 20:43:14 <Rubidium> night TB 20:43:21 <PeterT> i will be having fun with my new c book 20:43:27 <PeterT> and devcplusplus 20:43:29 <Yexo> night TrueBrain 20:44:35 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #openttd [] 20:44:58 *** bb10_ [~nn@dhcp-077-248-075-030.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:46:51 <planetmaker> night, TrueBrain 20:48:54 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE94ad.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:49:50 <planetmaker> hm... I guess industries always have to define a ground tile. Transparency just is not on there. 20:55:31 <asilv> using transparent groung sprites has intresting effects :p 20:55:33 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@146.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:56:51 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has joined #openttd 20:57:05 <planetmaker> just noticed that, yes 21:01:14 * Eddi|zuHause expects something between a black tile and just keeping what was drawn there previously 21:02:06 <Yexo> just keeping what was drawn there previously <- you guessed correct :) 21:03:25 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeje129.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 21:04:16 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@53.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 21:04:51 <asilv> it also shows some random stuff from nearby tiles 21:05:10 <Eddi|zuHause> well. others had similar problems, like the more heightlevels thingie 21:12:39 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm210.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:18:28 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-248-075-030.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:30:35 * Belugas wishes good vacations to petern, as well as some good jam occasions ;) 21:30:46 <Belugas> as for me, i'm wishing myself a good return home... 21:31:01 <Rubidium> night Belugas 21:31:10 <Belugas> you too Master Rubidium 21:31:14 * Belugas is gone 21:31:15 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeje129.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 21:41:44 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Quit: On snow, everyone can follow your traces] 21:44:14 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 21:44:17 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 21:52:59 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-26-71-125.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729225027]] 22:10:18 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10:44 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [] 22:12:31 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.104.70] has joined #openttd 22:13:03 *** LordAzamath [~rightwing@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729225027]] 22:14:03 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [] 22:15:40 *** nicfer1 [~Usuario@168.226.104.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:17:20 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@53.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 22:31:19 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:31:56 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:36:59 *** nicfer1 [~Usuario@168.226.105.86] has joined #openttd 22:38:56 *** OwenSX48BD [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn13-0-0-cust18.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:39:07 *** OwenS is now known as Guest617 22:39:07 *** OwenSX48BD is now known as OwenS 22:42:34 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.104.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:42:35 *** Guest617 [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn13-0-0-cust18.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:43:31 *** AC6000 [~AC6000@51-103.186-72.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 22:45:02 <AC6000> ok, my friend is having issues with the OSX version of openttd with the grfs, any help? 22:45:13 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:45:22 <planetmaker> dthat depends 22:45:40 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 22:45:45 <Ammler> planetmaker: please, help :-) 22:45:47 <planetmaker> why doesn#t your friend com here 22:45:49 <AC6000> hey Nite_Owl 22:45:56 * OwenS hugs connection for 1Mbyte/s speeds 22:46:11 <Ammler> sali Nite_Owl 22:46:20 <planetmaker> moin Nite_Owl 22:46:27 <AC6000> he doesn't use MIRC... 22:46:29 <Yexo> hello Nite_Owl 22:46:43 <Yexo> AC6000: as long as you don't tell us what the problem is we can't help 22:46:56 <planetmaker> AC6000: me neither. But I use a Mac, too 22:47:12 <Nite_Owl> Hello AC6000 & Ammler & planetmaker & Yexo 22:47:14 <AC6000> ok, first off, is there a data folder for the OSX version? 22:47:19 <planetmaker> yes 22:47:23 <Rubidium> yes, as per readme.txt 22:47:33 <AC6000> well, it didn't appear for him... 22:47:44 <AC6000> oh, one mo... 22:47:51 <planetmaker> it does, once you start the game 22:47:52 <Rubidium> what has "he doesn't use MIRC" to do with unable to come to IRC? 22:48:08 <Rubidium> it's like "he doesn't use Opera" means he can't browse the internet 22:48:27 <AC6000> he just doesn't do IRC 22:48:35 <Rubidium> there're enough web based IRC clients (IRC clients that work in your web browser) 22:48:54 <TinoDidriksen> There's even ChatZilla which runs a real IRC client in the browser... 22:49:07 *** snorre_ [~snorre@cE52DBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 22:49:08 <OwenS> TinoDidriksen: ChatZilla requires Mozilla :p 22:49:25 <TinoDidriksen> ...hence in the browser. But there is a stand-alone version of it. 22:50:00 <planetmaker> TinoDidriksen: guess what use right now... 22:50:17 *** snorre [~snorre@c832BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:51:29 <planetmaker> btw... look in ~/Documents/OpenTTD/data AC6000 22:51:42 <planetmaker> and chapter 4 of the do-not-readme 22:53:18 <MyCatVerbs> TinoDidriksen: stand-alone Chatzilla is just XULrunning with Chatzilla baked in, no? 22:53:25 <TinoDidriksen> Yup 22:53:34 <TinoDidriksen> But still doesn't crash if Firefox does... 22:53:38 <MyCatVerbs> Er, XULrunner. 22:53:48 * MyCatVerbs glares at firefox. 22:53:54 * OwenS hugs Opera 22:54:00 <MyCatVerbs> TinoDidriksen: yeah, I can see why that's attractive. But irssi doesn't crash when firefox does either. 22:54:42 <Eddi|zuHause> i already run an OS, why should i run a browser that pretends to be an OS on top of my OS? 22:54:48 <TinoDidriksen> Eh, I actually use mIRC...it works, and has my scripts. 22:55:51 *** snorre [~snorre@c832BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 22:56:01 <MyCatVerbs> TinoDidriksen: I have nothing in particular against mIRC, but I really do hope for your sake that you keep up to date with the latest version. 22:56:57 <MyCatVerbs> It has a rather alarming number of historical vulnerabilities for a program whose stated purpose is to communicate with a whole pile of people whom you don't necessarily trust. 22:57:09 <AC6000> ah ha! 22:57:25 <AC6000> he dumped the grfs in the wrong place :P 22:57:35 <planetmaker> of course 22:57:39 *** snorre_ [~snorre@cE52DBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:58:02 <MyCatVerbs> AC6000: Not surprising. Happens to us all at least once. ^_^ 22:58:16 <planetmaker> hm... does it? 22:58:18 <Eddi|zuHause> i never did that. 22:58:18 <Rubidium> lies! 22:58:25 <AC6000> lol 22:58:33 <MyCatVerbs> Well not necessarily with OpenTTD. 22:59:21 <AC6000> the data has .tar files, is that the right one? 22:59:29 <MyCatVerbs> But there're enough programs one can install for shits and giggles that one's practically guaranteed to screw something up sooner or later. ^^ 23:00:08 <MyCatVerbs> AC6000: tar files are tape archives. You're meant to unpack them. On OS X you should just be able to double click 'em. Or tar xvf foo.tar # in Terminal.app. :) 23:00:09 <planetmaker> AC6000: depends the right for what :-) 23:00:11 <Rubidium> not when your package manager takes care of everything 23:00:22 <planetmaker> MyCatVerbs: you're not meant to unpack them 23:00:24 <Rubidium> MyCatVerbs: uhm... not needed 23:00:38 <Rubidium> OpenTTD reads them perfectly fine 23:00:47 <MyCatVerbs> planetmaker, Rubidium: Oh, OpenTTD unpacks them transparently? Whoops. 23:00:51 <MyCatVerbs> AC6000: Don't listen to me. :D 23:00:58 <AC6000> lol 23:01:09 <AC6000> but all grfs go in there? 23:01:18 <Eddi|zuHause> MyCatVerbs: they are not compressed, openttd can read the files directly out of the tar 23:01:52 <Eddi|zuHause> AC6000: no, you don't have to put the grfs into a tar, but if they are, you can leave them there 23:02:12 <planetmaker> all grf may go there, yes 23:02:34 <AC6000> i ment do they go into the same folder as the .tar files 23:02:43 <Nite_Owl> they can also be in sub folders of the data folder 23:02:45 <Rubidium> yup 23:03:20 <Nite_Owl> if you like to keep them organized by type 23:04:19 <planetmaker> not the worst of ideas :-) 23:06:45 <Nite_Owl> or by heading if you use the grf list dividers 23:07:08 <AC6000> btw, i'll have a game up if anyone wants to join :) 23:09:53 <Yexo> AC6000: from http://www.openttd.org/en/servers: "There are 119 clients, 152 IPv4 servers and 0 IPv6 servers." 23:10:02 <Yexo> there are enough servers and not enough players 23:11:16 <AC6000> lol 23:11:48 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 23:12:48 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DE581.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Joyful it seems - but then suddenly - by one false move it's blown away] 23:14:54 <Rubidium> ooh, a server with a version number one doesn't regularly see: r17302-0.7 :) 23:15:24 <Eddi|zuHause> cool... how does he think he will get clients? 23:15:31 <Nite_Owl> a custom blend 23:15:41 <Rubidium> well, he *has* clients 23:15:47 <OwenS> O_o 23:15:59 <Rubidium> well, more 'client'. Anyhow, 2 people on 1 server 23:16:01 <Eddi|zuHause> someone wanted some kind of privacy, probably ;) 23:16:05 <OwenS> People compiled the head of the 0.7 branch to connect to it? O_o 23:16:22 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: Passwords are better for privacy :p 23:16:44 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe the backports were important to him 23:16:56 <AC6000> ok, i don't know if my server turned up. any volunteers? :P 23:17:51 <AC6000> look for AC6000's game :P 23:18:01 <Rubidium> ghehe... if I wanted a private version that'd be easy; first of all I'd change the join protocol slightly. Knocks of everyone who hasn't got the binary 23:18:17 <Rubidium> AC6000: it's not there 23:18:32 <AC6000> on ottd itself? 23:19:02 <Yexo> AC6000: if it's not listed here http://www.openttd.org/en/servers it's not visible for other openttd clients 23:19:05 <Rubidium> no, though it isn't in the server list 23:19:18 *** Aankhen`` [~foo@122.162.167.218] has quit [] 23:19:23 <AC6000> :S 23:19:33 <AC6000> well, i opened the ports.... 23:19:42 <planetmaker> on the router? 23:19:52 <AC6000> and my friend confirmed it worked 23:19:53 <AC6000> yes 23:20:01 <Rubidium> well, then you're not advertising 23:20:09 <AC6000> yes i am 23:20:12 <Rubidium> and he entered the IP/DNS manually 23:20:21 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FA6A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:20:22 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:20:58 <planetmaker> gotta sleep. Have a good night everyone. 23:21:10 <AC6000> ummm... 23:21:20 <Rubidium> AC6000: last online was 2009-08-27 23:19:03 23:21:23 <Nite_Owl> later planetmaker 23:21:39 <Rubidium> which is kinda not today 23:21:48 <AC6000> O_o 23:22:07 <AC6000> it detected it when i used hamachi!? 23:22:14 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 23:22:30 <Rubidium> I don't know what you did 23:22:50 <welshdragon> /memory block: how do i delete AI companies? 23:22:56 <Rubidium> but a server with AC6000 in the name did advertise itself back then 23:22:58 <Yexo> stop_ai <company_id> in console 23:23:27 <Eddi|zuHause> <Rubidium> AC6000: last online was 2009-08-27 23:19:03 <-- if that is UTC, it looks like almost exactly 24h ago 23:24:01 <welshdragon> thanks Yexo 23:24:06 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: it is 23:24:50 <Yexo> I should figure out how to learn nforenum some new featuers 23:24:57 <Yexo> counting bytes manually isn't fun 23:25:42 <Rubidium> where would you need to count bytes? 23:25:46 <Rubidium> isn't -1 enough? 23:25:52 <Rubidium> (or 0) 23:25:56 <AC6000> ok, the ports are correct, but i don't know where to find the IP/DNS 23:26:06 <Eddi|zuHause> can't you use "wc" to count bytes? 23:26:09 <Yexo> -1 only works if you feed it through nforenum first 23:26:18 <Yexo> and nforenum crashes on my nfo 23:26:36 <Rubidium> ouch... 23:26:38 <Eddi|zuHause> you should bitchslap DaleStan for that ;) 23:26:45 <Rubidium> Yexo: using x86_64? 23:26:50 <Yexo> Rubidium: no 23:27:23 <Yexo> but using action features 10/0D which aren't defined yet in the newgrf standard 23:27:46 <Eddi|zuHause> reminds me that i wanted to write a compiler... but i have no sense of persistence to finish such a project... 23:28:01 <Rubidium> oh, that project :) 23:28:50 <Eddi|zuHause> Yexo: but why does it crash, and not simply reject it as invalid? 23:29:02 <AC6000> btw, how do you find past servers? 23:29:10 <Yexo> Eddi|zuHause: I have no idea 23:29:16 <Eddi|zuHause> AC6000: link earlier 23:30:12 <Yexo> DaleStan: nforenum crashes when I use feature 10 in action 0/2/3, is that expected (feature 10 is undocumented) or should it reject and not crash instead? 23:30:30 <planetmaker> hm... a crash should still be reported... 23:30:36 <planetmaker> crash is always wrong 23:30:42 <Eddi|zuHause> no program should ever crash on invalid data 23:31:07 <Rubidium> AC6000: with my searching skills 23:31:12 <AC6000> <_< 23:31:17 <Rubidium> resulting in e.g. http://www.openttd.org/en/server/13779 23:31:19 <Ammler> openttd crashes when you set vehicle weight to 0 ;-) 23:31:35 <planetmaker> really? 23:31:41 <Yexo> there are more ways to crash openttd with invalid newgrfs 23:31:49 <Ammler> just saw that when I made the logic train: http://pastebin.ca/1545968 23:32:14 <Ammler> properity 16 0 -> crash 23:32:45 <Rubidium> well... there's a shitload of NewGRF stuff that can cause crashes 23:32:53 <Rubidium> or fracked up savegames 23:32:54 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77CF2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:33:00 <Ammler> someone able to tell me, why the nfo has those warnings? 23:33:12 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B764FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:33:50 <Rubidium> Ammler: speed isn't a dword? 23:34:04 <Ammler> ups, just word 23:34:09 <planetmaker> and date a dword 23:34:16 <Ammler> that is 23:34:35 <planetmaker> but you really should use for introduction date the descriptive \w1920-00-00 23:34:43 <Rubidium> uhm, dates are a word too, unless they're long dates 23:35:25 <planetmaker> eh, yes. \w :-) 23:35:43 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 23:36:11 <Eddi|zuHause> what's feature 10 anyway? airports? 23:36:58 <planetmaker> ^ 23:37:29 <Ammler> planetmaker: it is long date format :-) 23:37:40 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: nah, rather airport tiles 23:37:50 <Ammler> so \d1 should be fine 23:39:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i once was wondering about how every tile (like roads, rails, etc.) could have state machines for vehicles 23:39:18 <Eddi|zuHause> so you could have, like "drive through buildings" and stuff 23:39:36 <Yexo> Eddi|zuHause: airport tiles 23:40:13 <Eddi|zuHause> and a road vehicle going from one tile to another will just hook into that tile's state machine 23:40:27 <Ammler> hmm, does it need a new GRFID to change the Name? 23:40:53 <Ammler> (on bananas) 23:40:55 <AC6000> well, i'll be in ottd, if anyone wants to join, pm me :P 23:41:25 <planetmaker> I guess we all could have our own server :-) 23:41:50 <planetmaker> Ammler: how can a grf not have a grfid? 23:42:22 <Ammler> dunno, afaik, Action8 is required 23:42:31 <Yexo> Ammler: open a feature request for changing the name on bananas 23:42:47 <Ammler> Yexo: so no reason? 23:43:01 <Yexo> Ammler: I have no idea why it isn't possible 23:43:14 <Yexo> TrueBrain or Rubidium may have an answer 23:43:52 <Ammler> hmm, maybe because of the tarname 23:44:28 <planetmaker> Yexo: will the newgrf be part of the airports branch? 23:44:41 <Yexo> planetmaker: not for now 23:44:51 <planetmaker> if not, could you e-mail / forum mail it to me, please? 23:44:55 <AC6000> oh, is there any interference between Operateing systems on ottd? 23:45:19 <planetmaker> there's not, AC6000 23:45:21 <Yexo> planetmaker: no problem, but it doesn't work yet 23:45:28 <planetmaker> he... 23:45:40 <Yexo> that is, you can build airports (rotated and all), but there is no code yet for a state machine 23:45:51 <planetmaker> ah, ok 23:46:04 <planetmaker> so... planes won't know what to do and probably cannot land 23:46:20 <Yexo> worse: openttd will crash if you try 23:46:27 <planetmaker> :-D 23:46:55 <Yexo> if you just want to have an idea of the code, here is the nfo: http://pastebin.org/13019 23:46:56 <planetmaker> "And our next destination is ... armageddon ;-)" 23:47:17 <Ammler> isn't it somehow possible to just use the other code and switch x<->y 23:47:37 <Yexo> Ammler: I have that working, but not connected to the newgrf code 23:47:53 <Yexo> so you can have rotated newgrf airports, but the normal airports aren't rotated 23:48:39 <Yexo> what I currenctly need is some override original airport code 23:49:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i'll just let my suggestion fly in the air... maybe the state machines for airports can be designed with that in mind, that possibly all tiles could have state machines (e.g. to let vehucles take non-straight paths through tiles, like one way roads getting different overtaking algorithm, or separating trams from busses and lorries) 23:50:01 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 23:51:29 <Ammler> Yexo: NoAirport :-) 23:51:50 <Ammler> NoAir 23:52:12 <Yexo> NoAIr, I like that:) 23:52:18 <Yexo> how to confuse new players even more 23:52:27 <Ammler> yes, exactly :-D 23:53:31 <Eddi|zuHause> people are already confused by talking about YAPP signals 23:55:02 <Ammler> do planes have sprites to land and takeoff from north-south? 23:55:23 <Ammler> or here northwest-southeast 23:55:49 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 23:56:04 <Eddi|zuHause> why wouldn't they? 23:56:16 <Ammler> because there is no need now, is there? 23:56:50 <Eddi|zuHause> and isn't this only a newgrf issue? 23:56:53 <Ammler> I don't use airports mostly, so I might not know it. 23:57:26 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: yes, the question is, does it need new sprites to support that, or is that already there.