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00:04:17 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEfa93.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:05:31 *** StarLionIsaac [~isaac@87.113.20.148.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 00:06:04 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e176232180.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 00:09:59 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db01152.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: gn8] 00:19:19 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r17767 /trunk/src/os/macosx/osx_stdafx.h: -Fix [FS#3190]: [OSX] Don't check 64bit-ness when compiling strgen. 00:19:23 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r17768 /trunk/src/video/cocoa/fullscreen.mm: -Fix (r17715): [OSX] Newer GCC versions don't like jumping over variable definitions with goto's. 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I guess he won't. He's running only OSX 10.5 in a VM 08:18:21 <planetmaker> but he's putting much effort into it :-) 08:18:45 <dihedral> i am making openttd tasty to one of my collegues 08:18:54 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 08:19:22 *** jpm__ [~pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 08:19:34 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE9370.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 08:20:32 <dihedral> he runs 10.6 08:20:38 <dihedral> and is already interested :-) 08:20:45 <dihedral> hope he wants to invest the time 08:20:53 *** jpm [~pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:23:33 *** jpm_ [~pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:26:54 <dihedral> the junction saphire builds is crap 08:27:04 <dihedral> he tells people to level a huge amount of land 08:27:09 <dihedral> yuck :-P 08:45:36 <planetmaker> yup 08:45:50 <planetmaker> but well. It's a beginner's guide. 08:46:06 <planetmaker> Not a coop guide to professional OTTD building ;-) 08:46:07 <dihedral> aye 08:46:36 <dihedral> though the ... "openttdcoop... this is where the openttd gods are" ... that made me smile 08:46:37 <dihedral> :-D 08:46:38 <dihedral> hehe 08:51:53 <planetmaker> :-D 08:52:08 <planetmaker> did Saphire tell that? Or where is that? 09:14:53 *** Luukland [~Luukland@87.208.211.195] has joined #openttd 09:15:07 <Luukland> Muxy :) Did you receive my email? 09:15:22 <Muxy> may be but not read or not seen 09:16:03 *** sdafsdf [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:16:08 <Luukland> Ah, well in short, there seems to be a problem. My server egineer says it cant be run :S 09:16:29 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:16:32 <Luukland> He wanted me to verify, that it is a linux debian lenny 64-bit binary 09:16:33 *** sdafsdf is now known as LadyHawk 09:16:55 <Luukland> and in your email to me you've said it is only a linux binary :P 09:20:37 <Luukland> Did you maybe sent me a 32-bit linux binary Muxy? :P 09:20:49 <Muxy> yeap 32 bits only 09:21:05 <Muxy> in fact its a x86 bonairy 09:21:11 <Muxy> *binary* 09:21:55 <Luukland> xD, is it possible to sent me a 64-bit one? :) a x64? 09:22:22 <Muxy> i dont ave infrastructure for producing 64 bits binaries 09:22:45 *** sdafsdf [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:22:47 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@82-32-243-15.cable.ubr11.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:22:48 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:22:51 *** sdafsdf is now known as LadyHawk 09:30:55 <fonsinchen> Luukland, I have a 64-bit debian lenny here. What kind of binary do you need? 09:31:42 <fonsinchen> I mean, what version of openttd, what patches etc. 09:31:52 <Muxy> he needs a 0.7.3 Goulp patched release 09:31:52 <Luukland> Woohoo :D 09:32:00 <fonsinchen> what is goulp? 09:32:14 <Muxy> Goulp is my Openttd hosting system 09:32:27 <Luukland> I would like to start a patched server, which runs normal 0.7.3 clients 09:32:34 <Luukland> May I query you? 09:32:51 <fonsinchen> so, if you give me a clean patch for 0.7.3 I can produce a binary in minutes. 09:33:26 <Luukland> Wow that would be great 09:33:27 <Muxy> i made server side patche and Luukland is intersted in, i can send you the source code or the patch file 09:33:52 <Luukland> Could muxy maybe sent to you the patch file? 09:34:05 <fonsinchen> Isn't it published anywhere? 09:34:17 <Muxy> Not yet 09:34:30 <dihedral> hehe 09:34:38 <dihedral> what is the patch for? 09:34:40 <Muxy> it's a bit "artisanal", but it works 09:34:42 <fonsinchen> I mean, I can't give you a compiled version of a GPL program without the source being available 09:34:51 <fonsinchen> It would be against the licence 09:35:23 <Muxy> it depends on "available" 09:36:01 <fonsinchen> yes, OK, I can give it to you if the source is available to you. Well, whatever, send the patch to fonsinchen@fickzoo.com 09:36:32 <Muxy> the source has been made by me, and i'm ok for publishing 09:36:59 <fonsinchen> Well, open a topic at tt-forums, post the patch there. Counts as "published". 09:37:20 <Luukland> could you then sent the product of compiling to luukland@gmail.com? 09:37:21 <Luukland> :P 09:37:26 <dihedral> Mucht, what does it do? 09:37:35 <dihedral> <Muxy> it's a bit "artisanal", but it works <- artis-anal?? 09:37:36 <Luukland> use tab a little better ^^ 09:37:50 <Muxy> dihedral: password mandatory for playing, locking terraforming per game & per player, setting a maximum airport per player... 09:37:53 <fonsinchen> I can 09:38:25 <Muxy> i will open a tt-forum thread in the dev forum : Goulp patch 09:38:46 <Luukland> Muxy, the bot isn't included right? 09:38:49 <Muxy> and the patch will be avaible in this thread. 09:38:59 <Muxy> No, the bot is something else, outside openttd 09:39:02 <fonsinchen> OK, I'll download it there 09:39:05 <Luukland> ok ok 09:46:07 <dihedral> Muxy, what's the bot? 09:46:41 <Luukland> it sents /quit command 09:46:48 <Luukland> and terrorizes other servers 09:47:07 <Luukland> just joking dihedral 09:47:10 <Muxy> the Goulp-bot is here to make some animation into the game. enhance play with tchat command, tchat company score, goal check, ... 09:47:37 <Muxy> control login, report score into sql database 09:48:00 <dihedral> what's it written in? 09:48:07 <dihedral> can i have a look at it? 09:48:10 <Muxy> python 09:48:11 <dihedral> what else does it do :-P 09:48:15 <dihedral> who wrote it 09:48:18 <Muxy> me 09:48:29 <Muxy> based on bot made by yorick 09:49:30 <Muxy> the bot is actually running on Goulp server #1 at openttd.goulp.net:3981 09:50:03 <Muxy> running if not crashed, of course... let me checking... 09:50:29 <Muxy> still running... 09:50:51 <dihedral> yeah - i thought as much 09:57:54 *** thepalm [~chatzilla@121.210.80.70] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:58:54 *** thepalm [~chatzilla@121.210.80.70] has joined #openttd 10:00:38 <Seberoth> hi 10:06:36 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:09:22 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 10:09:25 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 10:10:11 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@82-32-243-15.cable.ubr11.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:12:31 <Luukland> fonsinchen, have you received the patch already? 10:12:47 <fonsinchen> no ... 10:12:55 <Luukland> Awww, server just resetted :P 10:13:05 <Luukland> Was nice if I could put it offline 10:13:20 <Luukland> anyways, thx for willing to make it for me ;) 10:13:27 <Luukland> Will be waiting next to my email box 10:13:35 <Luukland> Gotta go to school now, bye! 10:13:41 <Muxy> patch will be published on tt-forum, when i will have time to do it... 10:13:52 <Luukland> lolz :P 10:14:01 *** Luukland [~Luukland@87.208.211.195] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 10:14:34 <Muxy> i need to add some little fixes 10:19:41 *** welshdragon [~markjones@147.143.254.214] has quit [Quit: 5 ] 10:22:13 <dihedral> my word - why people always thing, others are just on standby and there for them 24/7 i do not know 10:32:21 <Muxy> same for customer: they think your are waiting for their call, and when they call you must solve their problems 10:33:00 <Muxy> solve, within the minute, of course... 10:33:51 <Muxy> hey dihedral, about the watch patch, have you tried the GUI release ? 10:35:13 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db81098.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:36:08 <dihedral> nope 10:36:16 <dihedral> i never touched the 'watch' patch 10:36:17 <dihedral> any of them 10:36:40 <Muxy> no, but you make the excellent suggestion to use the viewport window 10:37:05 <Muxy> i thought you were interested by the result 10:37:34 <dihedral> i have not played openttd in a very long time either 10:39:34 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 10:48:05 *** boekabart [~boekabart@pizzapazzi.com] has left #openttd [] 10:52:01 <planetmaker> [11:34] <fonsinchen> I mean, I can't give you a compiled version of a GPL program without the source being available <-- not true. It's sufficient, if you provide contact information on how to obtain it. E.g. your e-mail address 10:52:14 <planetmaker> and of course you'll have to provide the license file 10:54:20 <planetmaker> no, but you make the excellent suggestion to use the viewport window <-- we tested at #openttdcoop such patch about half a year ago. Can be great fun :-D 10:54:31 <planetmaker> But we abolished it due to privacy concerns 10:54:47 <fonsinchen> The problem was more like that he hasn't published the source code, but seemingly expected me to publish a binary - which would have been illegal. But it turned out I misunderstood. He only wanted the binary for himself, which is OK again. And he's going to publish the patch anyway. 11:00:18 <planetmaker> :-) 11:00:41 <planetmaker> though I wonder why he doesn't extend on autopilot / ap+ / avignon which works with OpenTTD unpatched. 11:03:13 <dihedral> "privacy concerns" ... wtf 11:03:15 <dihedral> it's a game 11:03:16 <dihedral> they play 11:03:20 <dihedral> you dont see the chat!! 11:21:08 <planetmaker> well... there's no point in following every click of every person. 11:21:25 <planetmaker> much better is a comprehensive log 11:21:47 <dihedral> as long as you have a usable frontend to it ^^ 11:21:56 <planetmaker> we do :-) 11:22:09 <Rubidium> -d desync=1? 11:22:35 <planetmaker> that'd make the logs HUGE, I guess. 11:22:53 <planetmaker> Basically a small shell script which can grep the output of openttd/ap+ 11:23:00 <planetmaker> via web access 11:23:31 <Rubidium> yes, it would make them larger 11:28:58 <planetmaker> details available from our professional patcher :-P 11:29:02 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.19.110.117] has joined #openttd 11:33:08 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DE11B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:43:33 <Muxy> [11:54] <planetmaker> But we abolished it due to privacy concerns <-- as information is avaible in the software, you can display it on viewport. Also if you use main screen zoomed out at max, you can watch other playing. What do you mean by privacy concerns ? 11:45:01 <Muxy> Planetmaker: Can be great fun :-D.- 11:45:03 <Muxy> grr 11:45:42 <Muxy> yes, great fun, i'm also adding a light bulb in order to see company activity. 11:45:58 *** thepalm [~chatzilla@121.210.80.70] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]] 11:50:47 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:d13:178d:41eb:1a5d] has joined #openttd 11:50:50 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:01:35 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@5ad84b4a.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 12:08:21 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ad84b77.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:08:21 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 12:12:18 <planetmaker> [13:45] <Muxy> Planetmaker: Can be great fun :-D.- <-- yes, I know. 12:12:38 <planetmaker> But it can be a great pain to other players, whom you watch, too 12:12:46 <Muxy> why ? 12:12:47 <planetmaker> Like building signs "I see you" 12:12:49 <dihedral> Muxy, we were ahead of time with a bunch of things ;-) 12:12:53 <planetmaker> whereever they build something 12:13:22 <planetmaker> I used it once to track a person drawing obscenities on our map. 12:13:31 <dihedral> hehe 12:13:34 <planetmaker> He didn't believe that we caught him. Until I followed him every click 12:13:44 <planetmaker> He's nice now, though 12:13:59 <dihedral> HEHE 12:14:55 <Muxy> it's why it can be used... but it has nothing to do with privacy. 12:15:28 <dihedral> i dont think it really concerns privacy either 12:15:37 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA6C0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:15:45 <planetmaker> well. It has the potential to really get on peoples nerves 12:15:55 <Muxy> even talking about network strategy. as you play and apply a building strategy, it becomes public... 12:15:57 <planetmaker> I wouldn't want a person constantly clicking where I build something 12:16:16 <planetmaker> It's a thing very easily abused 12:16:23 <planetmaker> That's why. Never put people to temptation 12:16:37 <planetmaker> I'm not imune. So are others not 12:16:52 <Muxy> may it will be a reason why this patch will never be commited into the game... 12:16:55 <planetmaker> And there are easier ways to teach people 12:16:55 <dihedral> planetmaker, it's a tool you do not use all the time 12:17:08 <planetmaker> dihedral: I know. But if it's there... 12:17:09 *** th1ngwath [~thingwath@r2ap232.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 12:17:10 <planetmaker> you know it. 12:17:18 <dihedral> well... you give it to admins 12:17:28 <dihedral> add another packet type to be fed the client data 12:17:29 <dihedral> :-P 12:17:32 <planetmaker> yes. I know. But even then 12:17:35 <dihedral> only enable it with rcon 12:17:39 <planetmaker> But for admins logs are sufficient 12:17:48 <planetmaker> and much easier to use 12:17:58 <planetmaker> following a person eats time like hell. 12:18:02 <planetmaker> It's not fun to use as admin 12:18:18 <dihedral> hehe 12:18:22 <planetmaker> It requires you not only to be online, but to actively watch a single person. Painful and useless as admin tool 12:18:22 <Muxy> hey, reading the logs and getting result on map are 2 differents things, we are not in the matrix 12:18:24 <dihedral> teach ap+ to process the logs 12:18:35 <planetmaker> Muxy: not at all 12:18:41 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Quit: On snow, everyone can follow your traces] 12:18:48 <planetmaker> the logs have action and place and client name 12:18:50 <planetmaker> that suffices 12:19:10 <planetmaker> and there's scrollto <tileID> 12:19:38 <Muxy> of course scroll to, but i'm not a bot also. i have old fingers... 12:20:09 <planetmaker> Well. I'm just telling: it's useless as admin tool. I tried it. 12:20:22 <planetmaker> And as player tool: it's imo not needed :-) 12:20:24 <Muxy> and if i have window to watch and a button to kick/ban 12:20:38 <planetmaker> Muxy: yes, and you're online 24/7? 12:20:50 <planetmaker> and the window is gone, if the client disconnects/reconnects 12:20:54 <planetmaker> useless 12:21:08 <Muxy> no, of course, not 24/7 12:21:11 <planetmaker> exactly 12:21:21 <planetmaker> only when you're actively watching the game. 12:21:32 <planetmaker> Most servers run, though, without an admin being constantly playing 12:21:37 <planetmaker> which is what that patch requires 12:21:57 <Muxy> yeap, only for checking rules in the goals servers, or when the code is not able to do it 12:22:45 <dihedral> oh - you can teach tools a lot of stuff 12:23:19 <Muxy> also when organizing challenge to control whatever you want. It's not only for public use 12:24:11 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r2ap232.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:24:12 <planetmaker> and I'm telling: let such control rather be handled by a background script processing the logs in realtime 12:24:49 <Muxy> <planetmaker> and the window is gone, if the client disconnects/reconnects <- not the one i wrote. It's a company watch. the window closes only if company is destroyed 12:24:52 <planetmaker> but of course I won't stop you wasting your time ;-) 12:25:10 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B348A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:25:17 <planetmaker> Muxy: ok, then you cannot ban an offensive player, if you have real multiplayer or coop ;-) 12:25:28 <planetmaker> we had it per client 12:25:50 <Muxy> well, it's not at all a wasting of time. i've learned a lot on ottd windowing system, widgets and other things (network packets...) 12:25:57 <planetmaker> :-) 12:26:10 <planetmaker> yup. 90% of the code usually goes to the waste bin... 12:26:39 <Muxy> before banning or else, i have the player/client locking... 12:27:35 <Muxy> but as the code has been published, it will be used by thoses who need it or those who think it's usefull... 12:28:27 <Muxy> and i am my first customer. I thought of it, and i made it as i like it. 12:28:44 <planetmaker> sure :-) 12:29:18 <planetmaker> I just wanted to point out that it's nearly impossible for an admin to use it without spending days using it 12:30:23 <Muxy> let the admin who need it, use it, and give their point of vue 12:33:11 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B0E1D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:33:14 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 12:37:18 <planetmaker> wow. Using llvm-gcc-4.2 is 4:27m compile time for full OpenTTD vs. 6:41m for gcc-4.2 on OSX 10.6 12:37:25 <planetmaker> I guess I should change my default compiler... 12:37:56 <dihedral> you wanna know my compile time on my mac? :-P 12:38:06 <planetmaker> :-D 15:04m ? 12:38:09 <dihedral> you'd compile 3-4 times in that time period :-D 12:38:28 <planetmaker> nevertheless a speed gain of 33% is substantial IMO 12:40:19 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 12:40:23 <planetmaker> @calc 267/401 12:40:23 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 0.665835411471 12:41:21 <fonsinchen> Muxy, should I have received the code? 12:42:40 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-145.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:47:18 <Ammler> Muxy: the reason, SmatZ didn't publish his patch is because of abusing it 12:47:45 <Ammler> on competive games, it is very unfair, if one uses that patch, another doesn't 12:47:58 <Muxy> fonsinchen: the patch will be published on tt-forum in a Goulp Patch Thread 12:48:21 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 12:48:45 <Ammler> but now, it should go to trunk ;-) so everyone has this advantage 12:50:36 <Ammler> (I was wondering, nobody mentioned this in your thread, but well, some days ago I read there) 12:55:02 <Ammler> Muxy: real challenge would be a patch, which would break your patch. ;-) 12:55:42 <Muxy> abuse of what ? 12:55:59 <Ammler> well, you can watch other companies, can't you? 12:56:16 <Ammler> or just your own? 12:56:28 <Muxy> i can watch all companies i want at the same time 12:56:49 <Muxy> with the last gui release 12:56:50 <Ammler> so you don't think it is unfair? 12:56:57 <Muxy> why unfair ? 12:57:37 <Ammler> well, so you don't see it :'-( 12:58:10 <Muxy> if talking about playing strategy, as soon as you use a strategy, all is able to see it, so it become pulic 12:58:14 <Ammler> hint: everyone can use the patch, not just mods. 12:58:17 <Eddi|zuHause> Muxy: have a viewport open at the place the other company builds something => immediately buy the tile next to it 12:59:09 <Muxy> okay but then the admin is able to see that and can act, if there is an admin 12:59:33 <blathijs> Are we discussing a patch that automatically buys tiles around other peoples stations/tracks? 12:59:42 <Ammler> blathijs: lol 13:00:00 <blathijs> Is that a no? :-) 13:00:20 <Ammler> Muxy: or you see someone building a drop at afactory, you can then start to build the goods pickup there.... 13:00:43 <Eddi|zuHause> about a viewport window that jumps to the place the other company does an action, if i understood it correctly 13:00:56 <blathijs> Ah, right 13:01:07 <blathijs> Sounds annoying 13:01:19 <blathijs> Unless you have a second screen 13:01:36 <Muxy> i have a 16:10 screen 22" 13:01:40 <dihedral> blathijs, it's annoying if you are yourself trying to do something other than watch a certain player 13:01:55 <dihedral> Muxy, you may, others may not 13:02:09 <Ammler> hmm, it is in a viewport, so this shouldn't matter. 13:02:14 <Muxy> ok, then other, dont use that patch for cheating ! 13:02:32 <Muxy> this is not a cheating patch ! 13:02:34 <dihedral> so you use it for cheating? 13:02:43 <Rubidium> so... I should modify my client to send a RANDOM tile for each action where the value of tile wouldn't matter 13:02:55 <dihedral> :-) 13:02:56 <dihedral> hehe 13:03:06 <dihedral> Rubidium, idealy you catch that server side ^^ 13:03:09 <blathijs> Rubidium: No, send invalid tiles :-) 13:03:25 <blathijs> Though that is probably checked server side 13:03:29 <Rubidium> blathijs: invalid tiles are caught in DoCommandP, likely before the 'leech' point 13:03:30 <Muxy> or may be like udp datagram, not in the right order 13:03:33 <Ammler> well, then Muxy could make a "filter" 13:04:09 <dihedral> just get 10 clients to connect to your company 13:04:16 <dihedral> and all build at different places 13:04:28 <Muxy> yes, that's the point, when multi client are buliding in one company 13:04:29 <dihedral> i dont think his patch does the watching on a client basis 13:04:37 <Ammler> it is still in a viewport, we used that on coop games. 13:04:51 <Muxy> but in that case, it's a kind of coop, and there is no need to watch over them 13:04:52 <Ammler> it is very nice, really. but I fear the use on competivie games. 13:04:54 <dihedral> Ammler, you were watching clients instead of companies 13:05:09 <dihedral> Mucht, bad guys can coop too ;-) 13:05:33 <Muxy> but in that case, watching client, can only occurs in network game 13:05:34 <Ammler> dihedral: no, center_player does watch companies, the other one was a extension, not very much used. 13:05:58 <Muxy> watching companies in local game... uh, yes watching AIs 13:06:07 <Ammler> that was made to identify "bad" builders by client 13:06:33 <dihedral> Muxy, sounds like a dev option to ai dev's ;-) 13:06:40 <Ammler> the client watcher needs patched server 13:06:53 <Muxy> i think of ai devs it can be interesting, yes dih 13:06:59 <Muxy> *for ai 13:07:56 <dihedral> and how many people write ai's? 13:07:58 <Muxy> also one can add a server request for watching. If allowed, then watch, if not, then noway, but you can have your own client patched... so snake queue 13:08:11 <Muxy> it can be a burst to ai wirtters 13:08:20 <dihedral> and i cannot teach my client to NOT wait for a servers reply? 13:08:58 <Muxy> yes but in that case, you're a dev, and as a dev you can develop what you want in your client 13:09:37 <Muxy> you can also build a nasty client that buy all tiles around the one builded... 13:10:02 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 13:10:15 <Muxy> and not only with modiying ottd, but with an external bot in another language who dont have the game logic 13:10:47 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 13:11:10 <dihedral> well, then i'd rather brute-force your rcon password :-P 13:12:01 <Muxy> here we are... i will make a patch to change it when a client try to brute force it 13:12:10 <Ammler> :-) 13:12:29 <Muxy> and send me an email on my mobile phone... 13:12:29 <dihedral> much easier, just disable rcon password 13:12:41 <Ammler> you should take that as honor, if someone tried to hack your server 13:12:46 <Muxy> or allow rcon from trusted ip 13:12:51 <Muxy> or trusted places 13:15:01 <Ammler> thanks to ap+, you don't need rcon :-) 13:15:38 <dihedral> oh, can be abused just as easily 13:15:54 <dihedral> just nobody knows how :-D 13:16:18 <Ammler> as said, would be a honor, if someone tries to.... 13:17:37 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e176232180.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:17:46 <Ammler> wasn't that long ago, I realized, that everyone has rcon to our devserver 13:18:56 <Ammler> well, but there are other peoples on the stable versions. 13:24:05 * Muxy checks if Goulp OpenTTD Servers have been abused 13:24:34 <dihedral> ... 13:25:16 <Muxy> and what about watching vehicles from other company ? it's a kind of voyeurisme ? 13:26:30 <planetmaker> it doesn't have the same potential to be destructively abused as building where another one builds 13:27:56 <Eddi|zuHause> you can already follow other company's vehicles, or not? 13:28:42 <planetmaker> of course 13:38:50 *** Nickman_87 [~nick.defr@24.111-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #openttd 13:42:08 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA6C0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:42:42 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@231.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 13:42:42 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA6C0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:45:11 *** Terkhen [~terkhen@231.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 14:04:03 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-249-031-191.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 14:13:57 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.233.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:46:48 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... the forum is weird... 14:47:34 <Eddi|zuHause> A: "my AI is broken." - B: "could you please explain what is broken?" - A: "i fixed it." - B: "could you please explain how you fixed it?" 14:49:28 <Muxy> A: with an AI unbroker 14:52:21 <Muxy> Forum is ok 14:57:04 *** welshdragon [~markjones@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 14:58:55 *** asilv [~asilvio@dsl-lprbrasgw1-fe9afa00-232.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 15:06:30 <Pikka> petert.. hmm... 15:09:22 *** nicfer1 [~Usuario@190.50.36.214] has joined #openttd 15:23:05 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.245.30] has joined #openttd 15:23:09 *** stuffcorpse [~stuffcorp@121.98.136.241] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:35:40 *** stuffcorpse [~stuffcorp@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 15:35:43 *** eJoJ [~aim@50.84-48-222.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 15:40:28 *** Chris_Booth is now known as Booth 15:46:36 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:49:25 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 15:51:22 *** Booth is now known as Chris_Booth 16:04:45 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c3dc2.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:07:57 *** Muxy [~Muxy@nt2001.opsio.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:07:58 *** Muxy [~Muxy@nt2001.opsio.fr] has joined #openttd 16:08:33 *** DJNekkid [~tmsmje@static217-26.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 16:09:52 *** Muxy [~Muxy@nt2001.opsio.fr] has quit [] 16:14:47 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:23:45 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:24:25 <Pikka> hmm 16:24:35 * Pikka wonders if it is possible for AIs to cheat 16:24:57 <Pikka> to, for example, gift themselves million... 16:31:28 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r2ap232.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 16:33:26 *** th1ngwath [~thingwath@r2ap232.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:34:23 *** Pikkaa [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 16:37:07 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:07:26 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE9370.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:09:35 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-12-250-43.brnt.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:10:04 *** FR^2 [frr@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 17:12:23 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:39:36 *** Nickman_87 [~nick.defr@24.111-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:40:57 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA6C0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:41:37 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA6C0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:43:02 *** SK2 [~sjoerdnl@62.140.137.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:43:54 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA6C0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:44:33 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA6C0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:45:21 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r17769 /trunk/src/lang/ (greek.txt unfinished/basque.txt): 17:45:21 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:21 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: basque - 292 changes by Thadah 17:45:21 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: greek - 73 changes by fumantsu 17:45:25 *** SK2 [~sjoerdnl@62.140.137.49] has joined #openttd 17:47:15 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 17:47:18 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 17:47:45 *** Pikkaa [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:47:51 *** Terkhen [~terkhen@231.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 17:50:09 <SK2> hi 17:50:23 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@231.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 17:50:30 <SK2> if i build a large station, and then remove pieces from the middle, does it still load from the other side? 17:51:53 <MyCatVerbs> Yep. 17:52:15 <MyCatVerbs> That is a common, somewhat sleazy technique. I abuse it to the hilt myself. 17:53:23 <SK2> ok 17:54:26 *** ecke_ [~ecke@pc127-74.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 17:54:55 *** Quasi [Quasi@d51A403BD.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:54:58 <Quasi> Mogguh o/ 17:55:07 *** Quasi is now known as Quasium 17:55:19 *** Quasium is now known as QuasiBelgium 17:55:29 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE9370.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 17:55:38 <SK2> hi QuasiBelgium :) 17:55:41 <QuasiBelgium> Yo 17:55:48 <QuasiBelgium> This channel is busier then I thought :p 17:57:07 *** QuasiBelgium [Quasi@d51A403BD.access.telenet.be] has left #openttd [] 17:57:16 *** QuasiBelgium [Quasi@d51A403BD.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:58:34 *** Nickman_87 [~nick.defr@d5153396E.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:59:00 <QuasiBelgium> Someone wants to play a 2-Player server? 17:59:39 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@e180230200.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:06:58 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e176232180.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:06:58 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 18:08:27 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:10:16 <planetmaker> obviously most people only idle here :-P 18:10:57 <Prof_Frink> No, that's what #openttd.idle is for. 18:13:15 <QuasiBelgium> Which size of map do you like the most? 18:14:21 <frosch123> 128x128 18:14:31 *** ecke_ [~ecke@pc127-74.upce.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:14:58 <QuasiBelgium> With or without AIs? 18:15:21 <frosch123> cannot remember 18:15:51 <QuasiBelgium> XD? 18:17:23 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 18:19:19 *** Muxy [~Benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has joined #openttd 18:21:05 *** Nickman_87 [~nick.defr@d5153396E.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:29:06 *** QuasiBelgium [Quasi@d51A403BD.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: OLOLOLOL!] 18:42:33 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 18:44:00 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:52:55 *** Nickman_87 [~nick.defr@d5153396E.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:00:21 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [] 19:05:00 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@82-32-243-15.cable.ubr11.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]] 19:05:53 *** Nickman_87 [~nick.defr@d5153396E.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:06:40 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-75fae253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 19:08:45 *** nicfer1 [~Usuario@190.50.36.214] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:13:40 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.191.244] has joined #openttd 19:15:37 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 19:18:15 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.154.181] has joined #openttd 19:19:54 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.177.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:21:01 <andythenorth> evening 19:21:34 * frosch123 smells fish 19:21:55 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-249-031-191.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:22:51 <andythenorth> frosch123: you missed an exciting discussion yesterday about smoke effects on ships... 19:23:15 *** TrainzStoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #openttd 19:23:54 <frosch123> i remember such a discussion from yesterday, so you continued it in the evening/night? 19:24:48 <frosch123> (though it was not really a discussion) 19:24:59 <andythenorth> I think it was more of 'I would like a pony please' 19:25:08 <andythenorth> funny thing is, no-one said 'no pony for you' 19:25:16 <andythenorth> but neither did anyone say 'here is a pony' 19:25:38 <andythenorth> I got as far as reading the code for vehicle effects 19:25:45 <andythenorth> but not as far as understanding it :| 19:27:00 *** Stoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:27:30 *** Stoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #openttd 19:28:43 <frosch123> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=41610&start=0&hilit=visual <- found it 19:29:00 <frosch123> oh you participated in it 19:29:15 *** TrainzStoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:31:41 <andythenorth> I guess the offsets might be very tricky / strange for ships 19:31:42 <SK2> is there some way to remove a piece of road that is owned by a town? 19:31:53 <andythenorth> or at least for the size of some FISH ships 19:31:53 <SmatZ> set extradynamite 1 19:31:55 <SmatZ> or so 19:32:29 <PeterT> Does anyone know when the GRF filter string was introduced? 19:32:37 <SK2> thanks SmatZ 19:32:48 <frosch123> some weeks ago 19:33:34 <andythenorth> also kudos to whoever has improved station building / removal to leave track behind when removing platforms 19:33:37 <andythenorth> it's the little things... 19:33:40 <PeterT> oh, found it 19:33:44 <PeterT> http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.hg/rev/6434dedec79f 19:33:49 <PeterT> thanks frosch123 :) 19:34:00 <frosch123> andythenorth: rb's fault 19:34:17 <andythenorth> well it's a nice touch 19:35:00 <andythenorth> so I use transfer orders *a lot* 19:35:06 <asilv> I once tried to make smoking ships: http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt211/asilvio/GretfingbourneTransport290119501.png but it was just a quick hack... 19:35:35 <frosch123> looks weird :p 19:35:38 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-145.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [] 19:35:50 <andythenorth> does anyone *ever* use 'transfer and wait for full load' or 'transfer and take cargo'? 19:35:56 <andythenorth> is it useful in cargodist games? 19:36:30 <frosch123> no, their only use is if you take up cargo at multiple stations 19:36:35 <andythenorth> could 'transfer and leave empty' be the default? 19:36:44 <andythenorth> (I know it could, will someone do it?) :) 19:37:19 <PeterT> who manages the translator@openttd.org 19:37:59 <frosch123> does it matter? 19:38:02 <planetmaker> PeterT: if you want to translate write to the address mentioned there 19:38:08 *** Nickman_87 [~nick.defr@24.111-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #openttd 19:38:11 <planetmaker> (dunno which anymore) 19:38:26 <frosch123> planetmaker: you mean translator@openttd.org ? 19:38:28 <PeterT> frosch123: I was just curious 19:38:33 <planetmaker> frosch123: I guess so ;-) 19:38:48 <planetmaker> but I wasn't sure anymore - so better be cautious than tell people wrong stuff 19:38:58 <frosch123> PeterT: it's the one caring about the translations 19:39:23 <frosch123> its like mrpresident@whitehouse.gov 19:39:30 <planetmaker> :-) 19:39:47 <planetmaker> who receives mrpresident@openttd.org? ;-) 19:39:56 *** Nickman_87 is now known as Nickman87 19:39:57 <planetmaker> and who receives animals-in-the-pont@openttd.org? 19:40:04 <Rubidium> planetmaker: I reckon :blackhole: 19:40:10 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 19:41:20 <Rubidium> so... what to break today? 19:42:02 <frosch123> rewrite CmdMoveVehicle 19:43:28 *** Seberoth2 [~seberoth@xdsl-87-79-57-4.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 19:43:31 <Rubidium> but... that's impossible to not break 19:43:40 <PeterT> Ok I sent the e-mail, thanks 19:44:03 <frosch123> DorpsGek: new mail 19:47:31 <planetmaker> hm... what about... breaking road/tracks grfs? 19:48:20 *** FR^2 [frr@frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Der Worte sind genug gewechselt, lasst mich auch endlich Taten sehn!] 19:49:19 <TrueBrain> Rubidium / planetmaker: better yet: it bounces ;) 19:51:00 *** Seberoth [~seberoth@xdsl-87-79-85-60.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:51:01 *** Seberoth2 is now known as Seberoth 19:51:11 <planetmaker> he, you bounce e-mail which doesn't have a valid address? 19:51:16 <TrueBrain> of course 19:51:25 <TrueBrain> well .. 'bounce' .. it is never accepted :p 19:51:35 <planetmaker> :-) 19:51:47 <planetmaker> I gues RFC XXXX requires that behaviour ;-) 19:51:51 <TrueBrain> in fact ... sending too much to such address gets you banned by the mailfilter :p 19:52:08 <TrueBrain> catch-all is the worst invention ever :) 19:53:27 * frosch123 remembers adding a rule for filtering non-matching addresses to some webmail thingie 19:53:34 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-253-182.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:05:03 *** `Fuco`OFF [~as@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 20:05:03 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:05:55 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.191.244] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:16:11 *** `Fuco`OFF is now known as Fuco 20:17:19 *** zodttd2 [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 20:17:48 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@228.142.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 20:21:33 <andythenorth> shall I break FIRS ? 20:23:57 <frosch123> isn't 1s already somewhat broken 20:24:12 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:28:41 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:31:51 *** Muxy [~Benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has left #openttd [PACKET_CLIENT_QUIT] 20:35:18 <andythenorth> frosch123: probably 20:35:29 <andythenorth> I didn't break it yet 20:35:39 <andythenorth> not more than it was anyway 20:35:45 <andythenorth> give me a few more minutes 20:37:22 <andythenorth> maybe pikka has the answer.... 20:37:56 <frosch123> how to break it? 20:38:06 <andythenorth> uh oh, I can't read nfo that is not pretty printed :( 20:38:20 <andythenorth> grf2html :) 20:39:07 <frosch123> hmm, yes, i should update it, so i have a reason to bump the topic and then annoy someone to move it to the right forum :p 20:42:18 <Rubidium> yes, support for more languages or so :) 20:43:04 <Rubidium> I assume it doesn't support Basque yet 20:43:13 <frosch123> very likely :) 20:43:46 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B0E1D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:44:02 <frosch123> i could also remove the old richkports stuff 20:46:08 <Rubidium> hmm... why doesn't google translate translate whole documents? 20:46:13 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B059F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:46:16 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 20:46:23 <frosch123> it doesn't ? 20:46:37 <Rubidium> well, or it fails somewhere 20:48:10 <Rubidium> http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2F74.125.155.132%2Fscholar%3Fq%3Dcache%3ABqceb-eH5YwJ%3Ascholar.google.com%2F%2Bopenttd%26hl%3Dnl&sl=auto&tl=en&history_state0= <- around page 26 it becomes untranslated 20:48:12 <frosch123> http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.openttd.org%2FOpenTTD&sl=en&tl=sw&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 <- true, some stuff is missing 20:49:13 *** Nickman87 [~nick.defr@24.111-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:50:16 <frosch123> for me it translates it completely 20:51:32 <frosch123> he used mapgenerator of ottd? 20:51:45 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@228.142.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 20:55:52 *** asilv [~asilvio@dsl-lprbrasgw1-fe9afa00-232.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 20:55:58 <frosch123> night 20:56:02 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c3dc2.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:57:57 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 21:00:02 <andythenorth> quitting time 21:00:10 <andythenorth> ending on a fail :| 21:00:23 <andythenorth> didn't make FIRS any better 21:00:27 <andythenorth> night 21:00:41 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.154.181] has left #openttd [] 21:00:44 <SK2> FIRS = FISH? 21:01:41 *** Yexo [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:04:44 <planetmaker> SK2: no 21:05:09 <planetmaker> fish: ships. firs: industries 21:28:10 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, now i have 3 keyboards attached to the same computer... 21:28:42 <Eddi|zuHause> and 3 mice or mouse-surrogates 21:30:49 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:33:25 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:33:26 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:34:13 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 21:35:57 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... this "move map with scrollwheel" setting doesn't seem to work 21:44:29 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.191.244] has joined #openttd 21:46:20 <SK2> wow 259 trains by 1998 :) 21:46:29 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: AS A VAGINA ONCE SAID: <yorick> SOMEONE BAN HIM] 21:48:02 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:48:22 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 21:48:32 <SK2> hi Nite_Owl 21:48:44 <Nite_Owl> Hello SK2 21:50:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think i ever had that many trains 21:50:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i hardly ever reach 1998 anyway 22:21:11 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:21:17 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:22:40 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:29:32 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA6C0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:34:17 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 22:34:47 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DE11B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Joyful it seems - but then suddenly - by one false move it's blown away] 22:35:20 *** nicfer1 [~Usuario@190.50.22.57] has joined #openttd 22:35:51 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-120-111-153.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 22:35:53 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest967 22:35:53 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 22:36:47 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-12-250-43.brnt.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 22:42:30 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-75fae253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:43:11 *** Guest967 [~Dale@98.223.108.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:43:40 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 22:43:45 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE9370.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:46:01 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has joined #openttd 22:49:45 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:50:41 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B74EA6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:56:41 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7692B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:04:04 <Terkhen> good night 23:04:05 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@231.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 23:08:55 *** _ln [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:09:15 *** Sprutik [~Sprutik@27-24-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #openttd 23:09:16 *** _ln [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 23:09:44 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B4D8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:09:44 <Sprutik> Hello 23:09:53 <Sprutik> Russians here? 23:10:20 <Sprutik> Anybody here? 23:10:26 <PeterT> yes 23:10:29 <PeterT> but I'm not russia 23:11:02 <Sprutik> ok 23:11:09 <Sprutik> How are u? 23:11:15 <PeterT> good. 23:11:17 <PeterT> do you have a problem 23:11:20 <Sprutik> wher u drim? 23:11:27 <PeterT> drim? 23:11:37 <PeterT> I'm guessing you mean 'from'. 23:11:41 <PeterT> I'm from the US 23:11:49 <Sprutik> from yes 23:11:59 <Sprutik> Abama 23:12:01 <Sprutik> ) 23:12:04 <Sprutik> joke 23:12:08 <PeterT> ok 23:12:11 <Sprutik> u admin 23:12:12 <Sprutik> ? 23:12:40 <Sprutik> ok a have a pproblem 23:12:46 <Sprutik> can u help me? 23:13:14 <Sprutik> Peter? 23:13:29 <PeterT> yes 23:13:35 <PeterT> problem? 23:14:01 <Sprutik> we want to start server opndd 23:14:08 <Sprutik> wes already started 23:14:12 <Sprutik> but 23:14:26 <Sprutik> maps... 23:14:34 <Sprutik> problem in next 23:14:54 <Sprutik> i need hitghmap Ukraine 23:14:59 <PeterT> ok 23:15:07 <PeterT> go on tt-forums.net 23:15:13 <PeterT> and search for one 23:15:17 <Sprutik> )) 23:15:29 <Sprutik> no map there 23:16:06 <PeterT> ok, sorry then 23:16:06 <Sprutik> soft for creat map - not install on wista 23:16:26 <PeterT> what software? 23:16:39 *** gabspeck [~gabspeck@189-11-164-111.jvece702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #openttd 23:16:49 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 23:17:03 <Sprutik> amm 23:17:08 <Sprutik> now i tell 23:17:11 <PeterT> ok 23:17:31 <Sprutik> MicroDem 23:17:46 <Sprutik> this 23:18:09 <PeterT> i cant help you with that, contact lord azamath 23:18:24 <Sprutik> who is it? 23:19:57 <Belugas> he's not a Lord, for sure. he is a simple man. 23:20:38 <Sprutik> ok 23:20:47 <Sprutik> how to find him? 23:21:34 <Sprutik> Belugas, may be u help me? 23:21:35 <Belugas> have you tried in the forums? 23:21:38 <Belugas> no 23:21:42 <Sprutik> why? 23:21:44 <Sprutik> ) 23:21:56 <Sprutik> u admin of chanel? 23:22:21 <Belugas> why? 'cause i have never used the maps from somewhere else 23:22:28 <Belugas> i draw my own maps 23:22:40 <Belugas> i don't care if they look like the country where i live 23:23:04 <Belugas> so, no, i won't help you becasue i do not know about something i don't use 23:23:30 <Belugas> plus, if you look in the forums, like petert told you, you could find it very easily 23:23:53 <Sprutik> trabl in my englesh 23:24:04 <Sprutik> many special words in forum 23:24:29 <Sprutik> how old are u? 23:24:44 <PeterT> Belugas: his username is LordAzamath :) 23:25:17 <Sprutik> I'm 26 years old 23:25:22 <Sprutik> from ukraine 23:25:30 <Sprutik> know UKraine? 23:25:39 <PeterT> yes, we know Ukraine 23:26:23 <PeterT> Sprutik: LordAzamath is the creator of MicroDem 23:26:30 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B059F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:26:35 <Sprutik> 041e 043e 23:26:54 <Sprutik> wow! 23:27:03 <Sprutik> simple man? 23:27:08 <Sprutik> it not joke? 23:27:34 <Sprutik> in what city u live? 23:27:55 <PeterT> contact him here -> http://www.tt-forums.net/ucp.php?i=pm&mode=compose&u=19449 23:27:58 <PeterT> ok? 23:28:22 <Belugas> i'm 45 from canada 23:28:48 <PeterT> I'm 14 from around Boston, USA 23:29:07 <Sprutik> for what u here? 23:29:16 <Sprutik> u play in trasport? 23:29:42 <PeterT> I play OpenTTD, yes 23:30:10 <Sprutik> Location: Tallinn, Estonia 23:30:22 <Sprutik> Age: 16 23:30:29 <Sprutik> Lord so yang! 23:30:35 *** guru3_ [~guru3@78-105-161-85.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:30:44 <Sprutik> i think its joke 23:30:58 <Sprutik> program was made in 2000 y 23:31:55 <Sprutik> he make it in 1 class of school? 23:31:57 <Sprutik> (( 23:33:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74EA6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:33:14 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B2B4C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:33:17 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 23:33:26 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C79.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:34:11 *** guru3 [~guru3@2002:4e69:a155::1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:36:15 *** gabspeck [~gabspeck@189-11-164-111.jvece702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 23:38:36 *** th1ngwath [~thingwath@r2ap232.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 23:40:45 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r2ap232.net.upc.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:41:33 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db81098.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:42:42 *** th1ngwath [~thingwath@r2ap232.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:42:49 <Sprutik> thnk u all bb 23:45:18 <PeterT> thanks for what? 23:46:20 <Sprutik> for tell 23:46:27 <Sprutik> who is guru 23:46:29 <Sprutik> ) 23:46:56 <PeterT> ok ;) 23:47:26 *** Sprutik [~Sprutik@27-24-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 23:51:27 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e180230200.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 23:52:01 *** Chrill [~chrischri@80.216.60.117] has joined #openttd 23:56:12 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r2ap232.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 23:58:15 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... why does "hg diff -b" not do what i want? 23:58:53 <welshdragon> is there a way to get all trains in multiplayer? 23:59:13 <Eddi|zuHause> you mean other than the train list? 23:59:23 <welshdragon> yes 23:59:34 <welshdragon> some of them have gone 23:59:42 <PeterT> Eddi|zuHause, are you using HG on windows? 23:59:53 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: no.