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00:06:35  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: smatz * r17909 /trunk/src/screenshot.cpp: -Fix: 32bpp BMP screenshots were in wrong colours on big endian machines
00:08:08  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: smatz * r17910 /trunk/src/screenshot.cpp: -Fix: 32bpp BMP screenshots were broken when screen width wasn't multiple of 4
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04:16:35  <Nite_Owl> Hello all
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08:15:59  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r17911 /trunk/src/articulated_vehicles.cpp: -Codechange: bool * is a pointer, not a bool
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09:43:24  <chu_> hi
09:44:17  <Zuu> hello
09:44:31  <chu_> hello SmatZ can you do me a favor?
09:45:51  <andythenorth> hmm.  cost of ship: ?45,000.  Cost of bridge ?826   Something unbalanced there...
09:46:57  <Pikka> must be a very short bridge, andy :o
09:47:46  <Pikka> or you're not using expensive, short and slow bridges :P hehe
09:49:51  <andythenorth> New Bridges was the culprit.  I've removed it.  ?14000 for a bridge now...
09:50:08  <Pikka> :)
09:52:22  <chu_> perhaps someone should re-think the bug-reporting-policy of openttd
09:52:27  <andythenorth> Bananananananas brings me ESSLB....?19k for a crap bridge :D
09:53:28  <Pikka> huzzah! :D
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10:07:54  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17912 /trunk/src/vehicle_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#3289] (r17868): crash when opening the vehicle list (not group list) of a specific company
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10:49:04  <planetmaker> Zuu around?
10:49:10  <Zuu> Yes
10:49:29  <planetmaker> how do you like to be credited in OpenGFX? With Zuu, your real name or both?
10:49:38  <planetmaker> I'm about to commit the fizzy drinks factory :-)
10:49:41  <Zuu> Okay,
10:49:52  <Zuu> Include my real name too.
10:50:16  <planetmaker> ok, will do :-) Thanks. And kudos, I really like it :-)
10:50:48  <Zuu> Yea, I think it is good enough for comming from a coder. I'm sure some artist could have made it better. :-)
10:51:15  <planetmaker> I wouldn't really assume that...
10:51:51  <planetmaker> it probably also depends upon the definition of "good". And as we saw again, the expectations how things are supposed to look like, vary quite a bit :-)
10:52:04  <Zuu> Yea
10:52:54  <Zuu> When the target function is not known, defning what is the best or optimum is quite hard. To lend some termonology from optimization theory. :-)
10:57:07  <planetmaker> hehe :-)
10:57:12  <planetmaker> very much indeed.
10:57:41  <planetmaker> but if you got more ideas in the direction of the fizzy plan: please be free :-D
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11:00:34  <andythenorth> oh too much money already :(
11:00:57  <planetmaker> he, testing firs again?
11:01:11  <andythenorth> ye
11:01:15  <andythenorth> s
11:01:16  <andythenorth> and p1jk
11:01:18  <andythenorth> and FISH
11:02:23  <planetmaker> :-)
11:04:33  <Zuu> Eiiik, why did not MSVC warn about defining the same variable twice in a function? (the second time inside some inner brackets)
11:04:59  <_ln> because that's perfecly legal in C++.
11:05:04  <Ammler> Zuu: did you see the comments on the DevZone?
11:05:13  <Alberth> because they are two different variables
11:05:25  <Zuu> _ln: Okay, didn't knew that.
11:05:41  <Zuu> Either way, I think there should be a warning about it.
11:12:31  <Sacro> http://sensi.org/~svo/glasstty/ <- <3
11:12:35  <Sacro> for you old DEC users
11:13:43  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r17913 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Documentation: Add doxygen comments to the tooltip window class.
11:30:06  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r17914 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Use some constants in the size calculation, and pass the size as a combined value to the tooltip window.
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11:34:55  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r17915 /trunk/src/ (window.cpp window_gui.h): -Codechange: Allow windows to compute their own initial position.
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13:02:04  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r17916 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Make tooltips window use pure nested widgets.
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13:15:03  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r17917 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Move tooltip initial position calculation into the tooltip window class.
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13:30:06  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r17918 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Move tooltip size calculation into the tooltip window class.
13:30:23  <yorick> hmm...my firefox appears to be crashing quite reliably :(
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13:30:47  <yorick> which is exactly when I click the firefox-icon to start it
13:33:42  <Alberth> perhaps type 'firefox' in a shell instead :p
13:34:06  <yorick> it appears to be having the same problems
13:34:17  <StarLionIsaac> reinst?
13:34:21  * yorick downgrades to yesterdays nightly
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13:42:39  <yorick> LordAzamath!
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13:43:47  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r17919 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Codechange (r17849): Remove the outermost NWID_LAYERED and NWID_VERTICAL containers from the load and save nested widget parts, since they do nothing.
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14:06:31  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17920 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_gui.cpp string.cpp string_type.h): -Codechange: add a 'filter' for numbers+spaces and use it for the NewGRF parameter list
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14:33:20  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r17921 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Documentation: Add doxygen comments in the ErrmsgWindow struct.
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14:53:31  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17922 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_gui.cpp window.cpp window_gui.h): -Fix [FS#3291]: crash when closing NewGRF parameter window with no NewGRF selected
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15:23:35  <Muxy> @seen petert
15:23:35  <DorpsGek> Muxy: petert was last seen in #openttd 4 days, 13 hours, 36 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <PeterT> night
15:23:50  <PeterT> I'm right here :)
15:24:23  <Muxy> that's right
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15:26:19  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17923 /trunk/ (config.lib src/depend/depend.cpp): -Feature: "port" OpenTTD to GNU/Hurd
15:30:14  <fonsinchen> Do you really have GNU/Hurd system there?
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15:32:24  <Rubidium> in virtualisation yes
15:33:04  <Rubidium> let me say it lets itself be virtualised a bit better than some other OSes
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15:35:00  <fonsinchen> Probably because it doesn't quite run on real hardware?
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15:35:27  <Rubidium> it does run on real hardware, but... I don't have spare pieces of real hardware
15:35:52  <Rubidium> and it's not that finished yet that I can install it without googling around
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15:47:34  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r17924 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Replace y array with two area rectangles in the error message window.
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17:00:11  <yorick> bah :)
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17:08:17  <Terkhen> hello
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17:18:24  <andythenorth> evening
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17:42:51  <andythenorth> quiet around here....spooky quiet...
17:44:25  <frosch123> weird, though today is just Reformation Day
17:44:54  <Ammler> it starts in 5 hours :-)
17:45:27  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r17925 /trunk/src/lang/ (finnish.txt greek.txt slovak.txt):
17:45:27  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:27  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: finnish - 2 changes by jpx_
17:45:27  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: greek - 6 changes by fumantsu
17:45:27  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: slovak - 3 changes by JamesSVK
17:45:37  <frosch123> switzerland is different?
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17:48:22  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r17926 /trunk/src/ (8 files): -Fix (r9352): Make the decision whether aircraft carry mail consistent. Now always the cargo class decides.
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18:22:51  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r17927 /trunk/src/ (gui.h misc_gui.cpp): -Codechange: Rename error message string variables.
18:22:51  <PeterT> now
18:23:38  <andythenorth> then
18:24:03  <frosch123> let's
18:25:38  <Rubidium> procastrinate
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18:36:15  <andythenorth> speak for yourself, I'm making commits :P
18:38:12  <Splex> I was just playing on expertshard goal server, my company was passworded and nobody joined my company... and my company suddenly disappeared.  anyone ever have this happen?
18:38:44  <Rubidium> did you leave the server?
18:39:04  <Rubidium> anyhow, the server owner can kill companies
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18:39:21  <Rubidium> what happens in those goal servers I don't even know, besides that they are heavily patched
18:39:32  <Splex> no i didn't
18:39:56  <Splex> i was there the whole time, and was just watching my train moving
18:40:05  <andythenorth> gone bankrupt?  that confused me a few times when I first played multiplayer
18:40:06  <Splex> and suddenly my company disappeared
18:40:10  <Splex> i had plenty of money
18:40:29  <Rubidium> as I said, server owner can kill companies
18:42:37  <Splex> someone keeps losing connection and rejoining
18:43:00  <Rubidium> and then he starts a new company?
18:43:20  <Rubidium> might be that the goal server kicks 'old' companies in favour of new young companies or so
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18:43:32  <Rubidium> but again, I don't know what mess they've made of the code
18:44:16  <Splex> no
18:44:20  <Splex> the company is the same company
18:44:24  <Splex> no new companies were made
18:44:40  * yorick thinks this has something to do with PeterT
18:45:09  <PeterT> no
18:45:15  <PeterT> this is experts hard
18:45:27  <Splex> you left the server long before it happened
18:45:39  <yorick> hmm...strange
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18:45:58  <PeterT> expertshard.freeforums.org
18:46:15  * yorick wanders off and plays online flash games
19:02:29  * andythenorth  needs a smaller boat.  Say 190 tonnes?
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19:35:35  <samuel> hi
19:35:39  <yorick> hi
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19:37:56  <samuel> it's possible to script (python) new function in openttd client?
19:38:40  <samuel> I've seen to wiki page on console scripting
19:38:50  <samuel> and openttd-python
19:39:58  <frosch123> openttd-python? no idea, nothing official.
19:40:19  <Zuu> There is a scripts folder for some scripting but I have not heard of anything with python related to OpenTTD.
19:40:36  <Zuu> There is Squirrel support for AIs though.
19:40:57  <Zuu> (Squirrel is a script language)
19:40:58  <planetmaker> I doubt you can script any client mods using python
19:41:00  <frosch123> and i guess none of the scripts are client-side
19:41:21  <frosch123> and - yeah - of course they do not affect the game mechanics
19:41:26  <planetmaker> hm... the ottd competition servers might have a pythong scripting backend for the servers
19:41:36  <frosch123> only stuff like saying "hello" or kicking players
19:42:13  <Zuu> Yes you could make an autopilot in Python. I made a small one in Ruby once.
19:43:11  <samuel> ok
19:43:31  <Zuu> And the autopilots could say hello, kicking players etc. as frosch123 mentioned above.
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19:43:41  <samuel> autopilot seem to be for scripting a openttd server
19:43:41  <samuel> ok
19:44:17  <Zuu> If you run an openttd server in dedicated mode you get a console where you can type commands and get text output.
19:44:50  <Zuu> Around that you can run a program/script that writes commands and reads the output and make new commands based on the output etc.
19:45:05  <Zuu> But indeed, that is for servers.
19:45:41  <Ammler> Zuu: go back to draw :-P
19:46:12  <Zuu> The closest you can get for clients is to make a C++ patch that only affects the GUI etc.
19:46:29  <yorick> LordAzamath!
19:46:56  <Zuu> Ammler: Because making one image makes me more of an artist than the thousands of lines of code I have written? :-p
19:46:58  <Steve^> should I paint the parts for my model plane before I glue them?
19:47:05  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r17928 /trunk/src/ (24 files in 5 dirs):
19:47:05  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Codechange: ShowErrorMessage() now takes the summary string before the details string.
19:47:05  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: Gentlemen, swap your string parameters.
19:53:50  * TrueBrain swaps his string
19:54:35  <Steve^> I know I'm grossly off topic, but they supplied three main colours and only two are used
19:54:37  <Steve^> I'll hope for the best
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19:55:08  <Zuu> Steve^: Colours for what?
19:55:23  <Steve^> Revell Hawk Hurricane model plane
19:55:29  <Steve^> *Hawker
19:55:48  <Zuu> Oh, yea you asked above about it. Forgot that :-)
19:55:50  <Alberth> TrueBrain: first take a shower :p
19:56:01  <TrueBrain> DOH!
19:56:21  <Zuu> Yea, had to hold back to not make that connection. hehe
19:57:14  <Steve^> I'll maintain my innocence and not have that explained
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19:59:07  <Zuu> Steve^: Regarding models, I've only ever tried to build a hangar ship and I remember that I glued togeather two parts that shouldnt be glued togeather. But of course I didn't realise that until the glue had hardened already.
19:59:28  <Steve^> Ok, so I should go slowly
19:59:39  <Steve^> I'm going to wash my parts now, then paint them
19:59:41  <Steve^> glue tomorrow
19:59:46  <Zuu> Okay
20:00:29  <Zuu> I realized that building model ships was not my thing, and continued to stick to Lego. (I was about 10-12 years back then)
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20:01:38  <Steve^> since I'm 23, you may me sound quite childish!
20:02:30  <Steve^> I have chosen to spend my sundays not exploring or drinking, but making model planes :P
20:02:41  <TrueBrain> still childish :)
20:02:57  <frosch123> and today is saturday
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20:03:41  <Steve^> both true
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20:03:59  <planetmaker> The off-topic channel is #tycoon, isn't it? ;-)
20:04:43  <frosch123> yeah, but we have to train here, else we won't be able to keep up with them
20:05:00  <planetmaker> :-P
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20:05:08  <Steve^> people in there might recognise me and form an angry mob
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20:08:38  <Zuu> Steve^: Notice that I wrote "I was about ..", not that I am that today. :-)
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20:09:52  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r17929 /trunk/src/saveload/saveload.cpp: -Fix (r2391): STR_NULL does not seem very useful as file save error summary.
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20:13:49  <Zuu> planetmaker: Any specific reason for using reverse alphabetical order in the OpenGFX authors list? To get yourself before Ammler? ;)
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20:25:26  <Ammler> Zuu: to get you on top!
20:25:42  <Zuu> Hehe :-)
20:26:25  <Zuu> Thats not fair. If you compare my little work to some of the big contributors to the project.
20:26:44  <Ammler> that is why the list is in alphabetic order...
20:27:01  <Zuu> Yea, trying to make a fair list easily get out of hand.
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20:27:51  <Steve^> the list should be in a random order each time you view it
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20:35:25  <valhallasw> Ammler, which date chooser do we use normally?
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20:35:51  <Ammler> valhallasw: ?
20:35:53  <Zuu> Meh, no public nightly servers :-(
20:36:08  <Ammler> Zuu: coop ps is almost :-)
20:36:13  <valhallasw> Ammler: for the assembly, there was a site where you could post when you were available
20:36:19  <Zuu> Apart from coop
20:36:24  <Ammler> doodle.ch
20:36:25  <valhallasw> but my mail archive is not available atm, so I cannot find it
20:36:34  <valhallasw> ah yes, thanks :)
20:37:22  <Zuu> But I think I might get next OpenTTD AU ready for release instead..
20:37:38  <Ammler> or ogfx industry :-P
20:39:09  <Zuu> Not that a lot of people is using it as when it was new, but there is still a few I know.
20:40:05  <Ammler> well, at least some windows cooper do
20:40:32  <Ammler> but I would say, windows user became minority
20:40:53  <Ammler> (at least the regulars)
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20:44:28  <TrueBrain> Austria has its own release of OpenTTD? :p
20:44:44  <TrueBrain> Reminds me that we just released 0.1 of OpenDUNE :p (http://www.opendune.org/ )
20:44:58  * TrueBrain now goes sit in the corner for unwanted commercials (read: spam)
20:46:05  <Zuu> "we", how many are you?
20:46:31  <Zuu> hmm, I see a "glx" in a commit.
20:46:59  <TrueBrain> the "we" is at least 5 people
20:47:29  <TrueBrain> (can't be bothered to make an exact count :p)
20:47:35  <Zuu> hehe :-)
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20:57:58  <TrueBrain> OpenTTD stats: 4.5% visits via an IPv6, causing 2.3% of the page hits
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20:58:10  <TrueBrain> (that 4.5% is unique users)
20:58:17  <TrueBrain> all stats are from yesterday only
20:58:56  <TrueBrain> 66909 unique IPv4 users (IP-wise), and 2830 uniqe IPv6 users (again, 24 hour window)
20:59:32  <Zuu> Quite some IPv6 users still.
20:59:39  <TrueBrain> it is increasing
20:59:46  <yorick> TrueBrain: does that include master server users?
20:59:52  <TrueBrain> httpd hits only
21:00:14  <yorick> should log master server hits too ;)
21:00:37  <TrueBrain> 607641 IPv4 page hits, 14555 IPv6 page hits (2.3%)
21:00:51  <TrueBrain> @calc 61300 / 24 / 60
21:00:51  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 42.5694444444
21:01:02  <TrueBrain> 42 hits per minute .. we have had busier days
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21:01:38  <yorick> were those release days like april 1th
21:01:56  <TrueBrain> suprisingly, but no
21:02:11  <frosch123> 61300 <- that number does not appear in anything you quoted
21:02:20  <TrueBrain> frosch123: 607641 + 14555
21:02:21  <frosch123> you cannot fake your statistics like that :p
21:02:25  <TrueBrain> @calc 607641 + 14555
21:02:25  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 622196
21:02:35  <frosch123> lol
21:02:37  <TrueBrain> oh ... I made a nasty math error there :p
21:02:42  <TrueBrain> @calc 622196 / 24 / 60
21:02:42  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 432.080555556
21:02:45  <TrueBrain> @calc 622196 / 24 / 60 / 60
21:02:45  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 7.20134259259
21:02:52  <TrueBrain> 7 hits per second, that is more a number Iw as expecting :p
21:03:01  <TrueBrain> (last month it was 6, so I was already wondering what happened :p)
21:03:02  <TrueBrain> tnx frosch123 ;)
21:03:30  <yorick> 7 hits per second... what does this website do that is getting 7 hits per second
21:03:46  <TrueBrain> yorick: after a release, we have 2 days where it is more busy (about twice as busy), after which the bandwidth averages again
21:04:12  <TrueBrain> but for example the second best day in May is an average day in Aug
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21:05:00  <glx> TrueBrain: every day I'm a new user with IPv6 ;)
21:05:09  <TrueBrain> we went from 300k unique visitors a month in 2008 to 428k this month
21:05:14  <TrueBrain> glx: that is why I take a 24h window :)
21:05:36  <TrueBrain> from 12M hits to 19M
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21:05:38  <TrueBrain> nice growth :)
21:05:48  <TrueBrain> yorick: I wonder about that every time .. but they are all legit hits ..
21:06:11  <yorick> are they rss hits?
21:06:20  <TrueBrain> last time most were wiki hits
21:06:21  <TrueBrain> let me check ..
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21:07:08  <TrueBrain> http://paste.openttd.org/217668 <- again, 24h window
21:07:18  <yorick> oh yes, it does hg/vcs/flyspray/wiki too
21:07:32  <TrueBrain> it appears we do 'www.macintoshcomputergames.com' too :p
21:07:43  <TrueBrain> also fun: www.series-tv-news.fr
21:07:52  <TrueBrain> (I have NO IDEA what is behind those URLs, visit at own risk)
21:08:29  <TrueBrain> proxy. are internal queries btw, so they don't really count :p
21:08:51  <yorick> heh, you forgot opendune.org ;)
21:08:59  <TrueBrain> forgot how?
21:09:03  <yorick> it's in this list
21:09:06  <TrueBrain> yup
21:09:07  <TrueBrain> it is on the host
21:09:08  <frosch123> yeah, it's svn has more hits than ottd :p
21:09:15  <Ammler> TrueBrain: there is a little glitch with the dune homepage, if you go the detail news page, the sidebar right goes below the content.
21:09:29  <TrueBrain> that is only because svn.opendune.org is like vcs.openttd.org/svn :)
21:09:49  <yorick> macintoshcomputergames instantly gets past my popup-blocker
21:09:49  <TrueBrain> Ammler: relayed to person who knows how to solve that (I hope :p)
21:09:53  <frosch123> does media include bananas?
21:09:59  <TrueBrain> frosch123: no
21:10:07  <TrueBrain> it only contains images, javascript, ..
21:10:08  <frosch123> oh, right, you said httpd only
21:10:09  <yorick> and crashes other stuff too
21:10:21  <yorick> hmm...not good
21:10:56  <TrueBrain> openttd.org frontpage requires 42 hits on media.
21:11:00  <TrueBrain> that is why it is so high in that list :)
21:12:04  * yorick kil firefox
21:12:08  <yorick> ls*
21:12:16  <TrueBrain> yorick: don't say I didn't warn you
21:12:24  <yorick> you warned me :D
21:12:59  <Ammler> where are the other opendune domains in that list?
21:13:07  <TrueBrain> In Sep 2009 we served 169782 '410' pages, which are all in a RSS feed which is outdated and removed a few YEARS ago
21:13:15  <Ammler> but indeed, already a lot hits there
21:13:19  <TrueBrain> In Okt 2009, that number is 173702
21:13:24  <TrueBrain> some RSS clients just never give up ...
21:13:33  <TrueBrain> Ammler: the other domains don't shop up in the top10
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21:14:06  <TrueBrain> I guess I should redirect that RSS feed request to some weird feeder :p Maybe that works ;)
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21:14:52  <TrueBrain> last week we had 11k release downloads, and 1.2k nightlies .. not bad :)
21:15:13  <TrueBrain> sad part, 438 were 0.6.3 downloads :p
21:15:27  <yorick> do remove ;)
21:15:37  <yorick> or make harder to get them
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21:15:50  <TrueBrain> more than 10% of the downlaods is for MacOSX ..
21:15:54  <Steve^> they are by users and not bots?
21:16:09  <yorick> hmm...maybe not drop macOSX then
21:16:10  <TrueBrain> bots don't download only 0.6.3, and not 0.6.3-RC1
21:17:00  <TrueBrain> euh, s/more than/a bit less than/
21:17:33  <Steve^> 25% of the hits on my.opera.com are by Google
21:17:41  <Steve^> consider that when working with any stats
21:17:45  <TrueBrain> lol, I love hour-based graphs: at 18h/19h the game is downloaded 3 times more than at 0h, and 5 times more than at 4h :p
21:18:01  <TrueBrain> Steve^: we are new to stats crawling, yes, thank you :p
21:18:16  <TrueBrain> Google is good for 5% of our httpd hits
21:18:25  <TrueBrain> against 1.08% for MSN :p
21:18:38  <Steve^> I just wanted to point out the statistic
21:18:40  <Steve^> which is very scary
21:19:07  <TrueBrain> BaNaNaS is passed the 4M! :)
21:19:07  <Rubidium> TrueBrain: showing off stats?
21:19:15  <Rubidium> yeah, just wanted to say that
21:19:56  <TrueBrain> 21k a day :o
21:19:58  <frosch123> [22:17] <Rubidium> TrueBrain: showing off stats? <- he failed with the math skills, so he choosed something else
21:20:08  <TrueBrain> @calc 21349 / 24 / 60
21:20:08  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 14.8256944444
21:20:21  <TrueBrain> 14 downloads a minute over BaNaNaS ( frosch123: this time I did my math correct :p)
21:21:16  <TrueBrain> 16k last month, and 15k the month before that (on an average day)
21:21:19  <yorick> Server stats: http://paste.openttd.org/217669
21:21:47  <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/stats.pdf <- graphs are prettier!
21:22:03  <TrueBrain> yorick: you should query it ever 30 minutes or something, and make time-based graphs :p
21:22:40  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I love the formula :)
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21:23:04  <yorick> TrueBrain: you should go make that
21:23:17  <TrueBrain> yorick: nah
21:23:20  <TrueBrain> too busy :p
21:23:32  <yorick> too busy generating other useless stats
21:24:11  <TrueBrain> either way, that concludes the stats of today :)
21:24:17  <TrueBrain> I am suprised by the growth in IPv6 :)
21:24:44  <Ammler> stats aren't useless
21:25:30  <Rubidium> TrueBrain: what does make you think more than 10% is for MacOSX?
21:25:57  <yorick> were these download rates the same last week?
21:25:57  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I clearly corrected that with 'a bit less than'
21:26:25  <Rubidium> well... if 'a bit less' is ~40% :(
21:27:11  <TrueBrain> 6.2% if you want to know the exact number .. I was only looking at numbers and estimating values
21:27:16  <TrueBrain> sorry if that doesn't please you :p
21:27:26  <yorick> actually more clients than servers :D
21:27:45  <Rubidium> nah, just wonder how you estimate :)
21:27:50  <TrueBrain> that said, the source is download almost in the same amount last week :p
21:28:12  <TrueBrain> (4.9%)
21:29:57  <TrueBrain> so under yoricks argument, we should not drop the source too :p
21:31:55  * frosch123 is against dropping doc
21:32:31  <TrueBrain> downloaded 3336 in total ...
21:32:38  <TrueBrain> since 2008-09-14
21:32:49  <TrueBrain> @calc 3336 / 755937 * 100
21:32:49  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 0.441306616821
21:32:52  <TrueBrain> 0.4% :) LOL!
21:32:58  <TrueBrain> waste of diskspace :p
21:33:03  <TrueBrain> reminds me, I should clean up nightlies
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22:10:52  <Zuu> (Delphi) Anyone happen to know how to make a TMemo show the top part of its contents after it has been updated with new content?
22:12:02  <Zuu> Now it shows the bottom of the change log after a filter has been applyed by the user.
22:12:09  <Zuu> :-s
22:15:05  <Steve^> its been far too many years since I manned a delphi help channel to be any use to you now
22:15:11  <Steve^> I didn't realise people still used Delphi
22:15:16  <Zuu> Found an answer http://www.scalabium.com/faq/dct0102.htm
22:15:57  <Zuu> It is still used in corperate settings, where companies have a lot of money invested in existing Delphi code for example.
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22:17:03  <TrueBrain> Delphi is nice, but contains too many 'bugs' :(
22:17:17  <TrueBrain> and I always liked Kylix :)
22:17:43  <Zuu> Yea, it could help having a few bugs fixed in it.
22:18:09  <TrueBrain> I spend many ours in my younger years (lol) trying to fix such bugs ... they were always hidden very deep, and very hard to fix ...
22:18:27  <Zuu> Having the IDE crash every now and then is not uncommon
22:18:29  <frosch123> hehe, memo was always crappy
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22:18:44  <TrueBrain> and what I hated most, were the update packs .. incredible complex to install correctly :p
22:18:48  <frosch123> you could get the position in the text in bytes, but only set it in (x,y) or so
22:19:17  <frosch123> i guess the best delphi was 5 with code explorer disabled :p
22:20:58  <frosch123> [23:13] <Steve^> I didn't realise people still used Delphi <- quite some people use delphi, but only <= 7
22:21:16  <frosch123> (version 7 that is)
22:21:54  <TrueBrain> You know what sucks? Needing to flash your xbox again .. sigh ..
22:24:18  <frosch123> you know that 1 mile / 1 km is about the golden section
22:24:37  <frosch123> s/section/ratio/
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22:34:54  <Zuu> Lol, my edit installation directory becomes overloaded by warnings and documentation :-)
22:35:02  <Zuu> edit installation form*
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22:36:17  <Nite_Owl> Hello all
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22:37:07  <frosch123> hello Nite_Owl
22:37:21  <Nite_Owl> Hello frosch123
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22:43:12  <Knight_Owl> Halloween costume
22:45:42  *** frosch123 is now known as toad
22:45:59  <toad> ok :)
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22:48:23  <Belugas> my halloween costum is in fact a pyjama
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22:49:11  * Belugas kisses the toad
22:49:24  <toad> Belugas: you have one hour more to work today, right?
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22:49:40  *** Belugas is now known as prince
22:49:51  <prince> naaaaaa
22:49:58  <prince> one more hour to sleeeeeep!
22:50:01  <Rubidium> the prince of the royal mountain!
22:50:03  * toad smashed prince against the wall
22:50:19  <toad> s/d/s/
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22:51:06  * fox catches the toad
22:51:33  * fox Belugas
22:51:37  *** fox is now known as Belugas
22:51:40  <Belugas> brrrrrr
22:51:45  <toad> weird story, don't know that
22:51:49  <Belugas> i'm better in the water
22:52:13  <Belugas> never saw a toad big enough to smash a human ;)
22:52:36  <Belugas> got to put my son to bed
22:52:39  <Belugas> ciao
22:53:10  <toad> prince is not that tall after all
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23:55:13  <Terkhen> good night
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23:57:36  <Zuu> Whooo, sometimes it is good to test things before you upload them. :-)
23:58:14  <_ln> You must be kidding
23:59:10  <Zuu> It is not as bad as it sounded, most things about OTTDAU is tested during development. But before making it available to everyone I usually test to do the update process to make sure I haven't broken that.
23:59:33  <Zuu> Which I had this time...
23:59:58  <Zuu> No release notes was shown :-)

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