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00:06:37 *** tdev [~tdev@p508EA473.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:10:30 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r18295 /trunk/src/road_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#bigos](r18283): Missed one PR_TERRAFORM. 00:16:34 *** Sapakara [~chatzilla@84-245-33-124.dsl.cambrium.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]] 00:19:18 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 00:27:04 *** Timbo [~tma@82-41-33-237.cable.ubr05.sgyl.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: I'm bored with you people] 00:32:52 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:12 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B79.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:37:07 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep] 00:41:42 *** O----notas [~Ondra@r2al4.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 00:41:58 <O----notas> Hi everyone, please, how can I enable logging to a file? 00:41:58 <O----notas> I've tried DEBUG, or printf, but that goes to a console (Windows XP, compiled using MinGW. 00:41:58 <O----notas> I've tried openttd -d 1 > foo.txt, but OpenTTD opens another console for stdout... 00:44:22 <frosch123> http://devs.openttd.org/~glx/convert.zip <- iirc you have to convert ottd to a console application 00:44:33 <frosch123> (but i have no idea about windows) 00:45:07 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77B79.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:45:56 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B79.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:46:23 <glx> frosch123 is right :) 00:47:54 <O----notas> frosch123, glx: Thanks, I will try that ;-) 00:50:53 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f4c9c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:56:26 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:06:38 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:28:49 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-166-25-160.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 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quit [Quit: andythenorth] 09:59:56 *** Luukland [~luukland@ip195-211-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has left #openttd [] 10:09:45 *** Terkhen [kvirc@150.214.220.184] has joined #openttd 10:10:01 <Terkhen> good morning 10:12:32 <planetmaker> \o/ @ Rubidium! Timetable separations, yeah! :-) (or do I mis-understand?) 10:14:29 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:16:36 <Eddi|zuHause> i only saw start dates, not separation 10:20:53 <fjb> moin 10:22:10 <Eddi|zuHause> from what i see, the expected arrival/departure and the start date have been included, so it misses the autoseparation [headway], the virtual 24h clock, the station timetables and probably more pieces 10:30:31 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 10:32:05 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:36:57 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:43:50 * Rubidium sees Eddi has good eyes 10:44:05 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 10:45:48 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 10:50:40 <Rubidium> though I'm having some thoughts about the whole 24h clock especially on the savegame compatability side 10:55:59 <planetmaker> given a start date and the usual travel times... can't that be used for a separation (if I don't share orders)? 10:57:06 <Rubidium> it can, but then you already could without anything that I just added by 'timing' the arrival+late counter reset just right 10:59:46 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F8A7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:09:49 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: yes, but it's very tedious, especially if adding vehicles to an existing line 11:12:18 <Rubidium> too bad headway isn't perfect either; I haven't been able to find the trick to set a start date *and* use headway 11:12:47 <Rubidium> vehicles always seem to end up having timetables that do not coincide with my wishes 11:13:44 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm127.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 11:16:12 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, and i totally can't handle this inner-city traffic without a subway... 11:18:04 <Rubidium> 6 inch or footlong subway? 11:19:35 <Eddi|zuHause> the bigger the better ;) 11:19:54 <planetmaker> size matters, eh? ;-) 11:21:01 <Eddi|zuHause> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Paderborn%20Transport,%2011.%20Jul%201967.png 11:23:12 <Rubidium> that's quite an old build 11:23:13 <Eddi|zuHause> i hate scp... it says "100%" while it is not finished by far... 11:23:40 <Rubidium> agreed 11:23:59 <Rubidium> although... from scp's point of view it has sent 100% to the OS' send buffer 11:24:13 <Eddi|zuHause> then i should decrease the send buffer somewhere.. 11:24:21 <Eddi|zuHause> where do i do that? 11:25:01 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, the build is from when i updated the timetable patch... 11:26:13 <Rubidium> /proc/sys/net/core/wmem_max ? 11:27:44 <Eddi|zuHause> says 131071 11:27:57 <Eddi|zuHause> is that byte? 11:28:51 <Rubidium> I hope so :) 11:29:14 <Rubidium> cause ~128 MiB is a bit excessive 11:30:34 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, no, that didn't help 11:30:58 <Rubidium> then I have no clue 11:31:05 <Eddi|zuHause> still says 100% (of 528KB) immediately 11:31:10 <Rubidium> except limiting the upload speed 11:34:25 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18296 /trunk/src/vehicle_gui.cpp: -Codechange: show the next 4 orders instead of the first 4 orders in the ship/aircraft vehicle lists 11:35:07 *** |Terkhen| [kvirc@150.214.220.184] has joined #openttd 11:36:23 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: what do I have to envision with the station timetables? 11:36:50 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not sure either, i think i screwed up that part of the gui when updating 11:37:06 <Rubidium> oh... ctrl-click on the vehicle in the station window 11:37:49 <Eddi|zuHause> some things are very hidden ;) 11:38:40 <Eddi|zuHause> there was also some thing about sorting vehicles by planned arrival, expected arrival or lateness 11:40:02 *** |Terkhen| [kvirc@150.214.220.184] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:40:11 *** |Terkhen| [kvirc@150.214.220.184] has joined #openttd 11:42:13 *** Terkhen [kvirc@150.214.220.184] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:52:44 *** |Terkhen| is now known as Terkhen 11:53:23 <Eddi|zuHause> this city is even worse: www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Paderborn%20Transport,%2031.%20Jul%201967.png 11:55:35 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 12:01:03 <asilv> i should perhaps make an option to reduce passenger/mail generation for swedish shouses set at some point... 12:08:31 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d02a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:09:48 <Eddi|zuHause> that could be useful 12:10:18 <Eddi|zuHause> but possibly coordinate that with other house sets like TTRS or TaI 12:10:35 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 12:11:07 *** Terkhen [kvirc@150.214.220.184] has quit [Quit: ...] 12:12:31 <asilv> Tai is quite different from other houseset with its town size restrictions etc, and should not be mixed with other sets imo. I agree for other sets however 12:13:42 <asilv> the problem is that the two main housesets ttrs and nacities don't seem to be actively developed anymore 12:15:14 <planetmaker> there's a 3rd set: swedish ;-) 12:16:18 <Eddi|zuHause> no, that's the set we are originally talking about ;) 12:16:19 <planetmaker> and I would still like to convince you to use the DevZone as your repository ;-) 12:16:28 <asilv> i guess i could ask zimmlock if he allows to make updated "cargodist edition" of ttrs, with reduced passengers and modified house propabilities 12:16:57 <planetmaker> asilv: the TTRS license should allow to modify it. It explicitly grants this permission 12:17:06 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.16.195.97] has joined #openttd 12:17:28 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, as you are here, i have a very basic concern with all the house sets out there: why do the houses have to be green? 12:17:32 <planetmaker> along the lines of "free to use and modify for (O)TTD(P) use" 12:17:46 <planetmaker> uh? 12:17:47 <asilv> i don't draw them i just code :p 12:18:05 <asilv> but whats wrong with green houses? 12:18:24 <asilv> and there aren't that many of them anyway 12:18:47 <Eddi|zuHause> not many? about half of the houses in every city here are green... 12:19:01 <Eddi|zuHause> green is ugly... 12:20:07 <asilv> if I count correctly there are two green houses in swedish set 12:21:27 <asilv> many others have green roofs however 12:23:28 <Eddi|zuHause> take for example this screenshot: www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Paderborn%20Transport,%2011.%20Jul%201967.png <- between M?hlheim Transfer and M?hlheim Zentrum there are two houses with green roof and one with green front, and lots of other houses that way, not counting the TTRS ones 12:27:00 <asilv> well i'm not sure if there is anything wrong with green spesifically, but maybe there are too many colourful buildings in general 12:27:33 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, and there are too many skyscrapers in TTRS, and lots of other stuff... 12:28:12 <Eddi|zuHause> in general, many GRFs focus too much on "beautiful" desinger-stuff, and miss out on the basic stuff 12:28:45 <asilv> somewhat true, i agree 12:30:20 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: with "basic stuff" you mean the not-so-fancy houses? 12:30:32 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, for example 12:30:35 <Eddi|zuHause> also bridges 12:30:38 <planetmaker> e.g. kind of default houses which add to the usual urban tristesse? 12:30:41 <Eddi|zuHause> or stations 12:31:02 <planetmaker> Well... bridges and stations are separate grfs IMO. 12:31:10 <planetmaker> each 12:32:46 <planetmaker> something worthwhile to take up sometime might be to enhance TBRS with the snowy and japanese bridge versions. Other versions are there, too. And make one newgrf out of it. 12:33:38 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:33:46 <planetmaker> asilv: but one thing I just wrote in a forum posting: it's nice that you have your set GPL. Only it allowed me to understand how those things really work by looking at it as good examples :-) 12:33:51 <asilv> i'm not sure how the snowy versions could be used as there is no varaction2 for bridges 12:33:57 <planetmaker> thanks! :-) 12:34:15 <planetmaker> oh, there isn't? Hm... sad 12:34:30 <asilv> it's good if it's helpfull to someone 12:34:58 <asilv> I have to admit that it isn't very well commented in many places 12:35:23 <planetmaker> only the wiki alone at my disposal would have left me wondering in places, I think 12:35:36 <planetmaker> it's alright, I think :-) 12:36:12 <asilv> well, you haven't seen the new road sensitive buildings code 12:36:26 <planetmaker> So IMO it was a good example that it helped to have open source, even if it isn't copied, it helps by example :-) 12:36:27 <asilv> it's one big hack :p 12:36:32 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 12:36:33 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 12:37:03 <asilv> as it uses animition frames to store information about house directions 12:37:17 <planetmaker> I thought of going in that direction, too. There are some houses in the comic set which seem to have a preferred road side. 12:37:36 <planetmaker> Depending on the road layout I would use one house or another 12:37:58 <planetmaker> couldn't that be done with varaction 60+x instead? 12:38:31 <asilv> yes, but then they change direction when for example bus station is built 12:38:44 <planetmaker> hm, that's bad indeed. 12:40:12 <asilv> so I decide the direction when house is built with var (maybe 64?) and store that with animation frame 12:40:50 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:41:06 <asilv> 62 it is not 64 12:43:21 <planetmaker> what about 67? 12:43:36 <planetmaker> or 66 12:43:50 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:44:40 <planetmaker> it doesn't give you road. But it gives you "no house" 12:45:30 <asilv> hmm, but then houses could be facing to water or industries or whatever 12:46:31 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 12:47:01 <planetmaker> they could, yes 12:47:13 <planetmaker> But you can check for water by means of 62 12:47:24 <blathijs> How about 42? 12:47:47 <Sacro> it's a good number 12:49:34 <planetmaker> blathijs: "nearby" is needed, so it needs to be some 60+x number. But yeah... 12:50:03 <asilv> anyway, some people complained that houses should not in general change direction after they are built, no matter what happens. and the code already works so it is not that big problem 12:50:42 <planetmaker> :-) 12:50:54 <planetmaker> I guess you have kind of eternal animation frames? 12:51:57 <asilv> yes the frame selection code is run if frame is 0, otherwise frames 1-8 show the direction 12:52:25 <asilv> and frame is never changed if it isn't 0 12:53:08 <asilv> George gets credit for the idea 12:53:22 <planetmaker> good one, yes 12:53:44 <planetmaker> probably better than many checks 12:56:33 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:56:37 <asilv> yeah, it isn't actually that big hack, but using animation frames to store information just feels wrong 12:58:30 <planetmaker> I agree. Somewhat. But if you skip the animation from that, it's right again :-) 12:59:56 *** tdev [~tdev@ip-62-186.emscb.ruhr-uni-bochum.de] has joined #openttd 13:01:00 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a07f:68ab:586e:abb1] has joined #openttd 13:01:03 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:05:59 <planetmaker> Anyway, I'm looking forward to the next version! :-) 13:07:06 <asilv> should be out soon 13:07:14 <asilv> maybe even tomorrow 13:08:23 <asilv> but before end of the month anyway 13:13:27 <planetmaker> wow. Good news :-) 13:17:56 <asilv> i'm still wondering whether the 42 was serious suggestion or a hitchhiker's guide reference :p 13:18:25 <planetmaker> I think it was serious. But 62 would be more appropriate as you don't want to investigate the very tile of your house ;-) 13:18:56 <planetmaker> but anything is possible 13:19:11 <asilv> 42 is town zone 13:19:21 <planetmaker> yes 13:19:31 <planetmaker> ah, damz, they don't correspond 13:20:30 <planetmaker> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=VarAction2Houses <-- btw. Anyone who can clearify what's the difference between feature 07, vars 60 and 61? 13:20:55 <planetmaker> Looks to me like some kind of error... 13:22:47 <asilv> 60 = original ttd houses, 61 = newgrf houses from the same grf, i think 13:22:52 <planetmaker> maybe I just don't understand the difference between "new" and "old" type house number. 13:22:56 <planetmaker> yeah, maybe. 13:24:04 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a07f:68ab:586e:abb1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:24:47 <asilv> for houses each grf has it's own ids so there can be multiple houses with same id without problems, unlike vehicles for example 13:26:21 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a07f:68ab:586e:abb1] has joined #openttd 13:26:24 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:26:25 *** Terkhen [kvirc@150.214.220.184] has joined #openttd 13:28:00 <asilv> so without 2 variables ottd wouldn't know if you want to look for origal house with id 00 or newgrf house with same id 13:31:16 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 13:35:04 <planetmaker> hm... makes sense. 13:38:10 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... headway gets somewhat confused when replacing vehicles... 13:46:12 <Eddi|zuHause> hm?... something suddenly slows down my game 13:46:48 *** Chrill [~chrischri@80.216.60.117] has joined #openttd 13:47:16 *** APTX [~APTX@ks32603.kimsufi.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:51:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@89.246.204.106] has joined #openttd 13:58:08 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@89.246.204.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:13:14 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a07f:68ab:586e:abb1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:13:26 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a07f:68ab:586e:abb1] has joined #openttd 14:13:29 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:16:47 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 14:24:09 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejb94.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 14:29:58 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:36:59 <Belugas> hello 14:38:16 <Sacro> Posso restare la notte? 14:38:54 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 14:41:01 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc4a9.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:43:47 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:43:59 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:45:31 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 14:53:00 *** Gremnon [~Gremnon@87.112.7.77.plusnet.ptn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 14:53:46 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DDFD4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:56:40 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r18297 /trunk/src/vehicle_base.h: -Fix: Preserve timetable-start when auto-replacing/-renewing. 14:56:54 * Sacro notes his uni friend has just piped nano into grep :\ 14:59:27 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:04:37 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B044C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:06:46 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B016E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:06:49 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 15:15:42 *** tdev [~tdev@ip-62-186.emscb.ruhr-uni-bochum.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:16:20 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 15:25:22 *** XSlicer [~XSlicer@dhcp-095-096-066-172.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 15:25:39 *** Gremnon [~Gremnon@87.112.7.77.plusnet.ptn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: And now for something completely different] 15:28:14 <Eddi|zuHause> that does not sound exceptionally useful 15:29:16 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:36:16 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 15:36:35 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DDFD4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Die Nützlichkeit der Götter war schon immer eine zweifelhafte Sache. Man wusste nie so genau, wie man sie wirksam einsetzen konnte, ohne dass sie gleich b] 15:37:52 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:38:38 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 15:40:09 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:42:36 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 15:47:21 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DDFD4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:52:07 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejb94.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 15:56:21 *** Terkhen [kvirc@150.214.220.184] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:03:25 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F8A7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:06:50 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:08:27 *** APTX [~APTX@ks32603.kimsufi.com] has joined #openttd 16:09:20 *** egladil [~egladil@c83-254-70-169.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:29:32 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18298 /trunk/ (known-bugs.txt readme.txt): -Document: that the dummy AI message is because 'you' don't have an AI... and how to 'solve' the issue; way too many people are ignorant 16:31:20 <Belugas> buwahahahah!!! 16:31:47 <Belugas> thus social statement is shared by a few people around ;) 16:42:15 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 16:47:43 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18299 /trunk/src/ai/api/ai_changelog.hpp: -Update: the ai changelog document 16:53:53 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18300 /branches/0.7/ (7 files in 3 dirs): 16:53:53 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: [0.7] -Backport from trunk: 16:53:53 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Update: readme / AI changelog (r18299, r18298) 16:53:53 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NewGRF] When starting a new game the values of action D variable 13 were incorrect [FS#3324] (r18207) 16:53:53 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Add: Experimental option to try to statically link to libicu (r18147) 16:53:55 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Change: One more developer added to the history of OpenTTD (r18111) 16:58:52 <PeterT> what's a backport from trunk? 16:59:06 <PeterT> all the features in trunk are now implemented in 0.7? 17:00:19 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:00:27 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@77-100-69-200.cable.ubr30.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:00:53 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 17:01:02 <SmatZ> no 17:01:08 <SmatZ> only those mentioned in the commit 17:02:24 <dihedral> SmatZ, :-) 17:02:34 <Sacro> sounds like time for a new release... 17:06:11 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 17:30:56 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@3.108.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 17:33:45 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:38:15 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-196-173-90.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:39:13 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:39:30 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:43:43 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:55:18 *** bartavelle is now known as bartaway 18:07:31 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:13:36 *** The_Exile [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:14:00 *** The_Exile is now known as JVassie 18:15:13 *** dxtr [~dxtr@dxtr.cc] has joined #openttd 18:21:01 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:21:48 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 18:24:33 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:29:05 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:29:22 *** TAW_T-Bone [~TBone@85.149.200.158] has joined #openttd 18:29:24 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:30:00 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@89.246.204.106] has joined #openttd 18:36:38 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@89.246.204.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:39:08 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:44:12 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:45:33 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:45:44 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r18301 /trunk/src/lang/ (9 files): (log message trimmed) 18:45:44 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:44 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: dutch - 20 changes by habell 18:45:44 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: finnish - 10 changes by jpx_ 18:45:44 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: german - 20 changes by planetmaker 18:45:45 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: greek - 30 changes by 18:45:45 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: hungarian - 1 changes by alyr 18:48:23 <planetmaker> he... greek changes? 18:54:26 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:55:14 <Chrill> by whooo? 18:55:21 * Chrill just updated the Swedish 18:58:33 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 18:59:16 <SmatZ> by 18:59:47 <asilv> aah, that guy! 19:01:39 <Sacro> then i look at you, and the world's alright with me 19:01:49 <Sacro> just one look at you, and i know it's gonna be, a lovely daaaaaaaaaaaaaaay! 19:03:09 <Chrill> Sacro, stick to singing in #tycoon :P 19:03:18 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@89.246.204.106] has joined #openttd 19:03:28 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:04:00 <Sacro> hehe 19:04:07 <Sacro> bah, damn you bisn 19:08:47 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@89.246.204.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:15:12 *** TAW_T-Bone [~TBone@85.149.200.158] has left #openttd [] 19:15:51 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@89.246.204.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:22:10 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485CDE3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:27:30 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:29:43 *** fjb [~frank@p5485AD6A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:34:11 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 19:39:38 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@145.118.72.64] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:39:49 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@145.118.72.64] has joined #openttd 19:43:40 <Eddi|zuHause> how good a rating do i need to tear down a hospital? (TTRS) 19:44:41 <SmatZ> I am not sure you can ever do that 19:44:55 <SmatZ> I remember I was trying to do that once, and failed 19:45:03 <SmatZ> but I don't remember how high rating I had 19:45:08 <Chrill> I think it's doable 19:45:08 <Chrill> not sure 19:45:10 <Chrill> but i think it is 19:45:13 <Chrill> with top rating or whatever 19:45:19 <Chrill> Excellent 19:45:22 <Chrill> not sure though 19:46:44 <Eddi|zuHause> why do i have a forest that produces 0 wood? 19:46:52 <Eddi|zuHause> (standard industries) 19:47:22 <frosch123> was it just created? 19:47:33 *** Timmaexx [~quassel@port-92-201-52-253.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 19:48:05 <SmatZ> or is going to die 19:49:59 <Belugas> or you;re on pause, which could explain the hospital not possble to destroy... 19:50:02 * Belugas hides 19:50:23 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: oh, it was "Hotel Praha" what I couldn't destroy 19:50:44 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: no, it was there for ages, and produced something before 19:51:00 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: it started producing again 19:51:36 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@71.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 19:51:55 <frosch123> maybe the monthly production is lower than the amount that is needed to issue transport to station 19:52:37 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Utm Aœ - Aja 35] 19:52:52 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... cargodist and airplanes are hopeless... 19:53:05 <SmatZ> http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/private/mypatches/show_this_month_cargo_r18100.diff reminds me of this patch :) 19:55:45 <Eddi|zuHause> when does the next larger airport appear? 19:56:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i only have city airport in 1978 19:56:57 <frosch123> 1980 metropolitan 19:57:22 <frosch123> 1983 commuter 20:04:16 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.163.221.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 20:05:12 *** The_Exile [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:05:17 *** FooBar [~FooBar@openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:07:22 *** Ammler [~ammler@openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:07:28 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:11:05 <Timmaexx> Are there any news from the airport branch? 20:11:29 <planetmaker> No :-( 20:12:20 <planetmaker> There must have been a black whole somewhere or so... :S 20:12:52 <Timmaexx> I want to thank for including founding towns! Never thought it would ever go in trunk! 20:14:08 <SmatZ> :-) 20:14:20 <SmatZ> I wonder why so many people requested that feature :) 20:14:24 <SmatZ> but there you go ;) 20:14:25 <planetmaker> But it was SmatZ who did it ;-) 20:14:30 <PeterT> SmatZ: What is magic_bulldozer_v3_and_force? 20:14:51 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.163.221.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:14:56 <planetmaker> obviously a patch name :-P 20:15:02 *** FooBar [~FooBar@62.75.156.9] has joined #openttd 20:15:07 <SmatZ> PeterT: enabling/disabling magic bulldozer and multiplayer-unsafe patches via dedicated console 20:15:09 *** The_Exile is now known as JVassie 20:15:24 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm127.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: :o] 20:15:27 <frosch123> PeterT reading "private" stuff again? 20:15:31 <SmatZ> it saves&reloads the game, so it won't desync 20:15:37 <SmatZ> frosch123: it's not that private ;) 20:15:38 <PeterT> Oh 20:15:40 <PeterT> cool patch 20:15:52 <planetmaker> handy at times, yes 20:15:55 <PeterT> frosch123: It's on the internet, it's not private 20:16:21 <SmatZ> it used to be "private", but it's quite known :-p 20:16:53 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.87.93.plusnet.thn-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 20:16:55 <frosch123> ah, you switched the "private" and "public" folders, as noone looks into "public" anyway 20:17:00 <PeterT> Your dev page is awesome 20:17:04 <PeterT> @SmatZ 20:17:09 <SmatZ> hehe :) 20:17:27 <Timmaexx> @ planetmaker, that was clear 20:17:30 <SmatZ> all devs have awesome pages, some just more private than me :) 20:17:43 <PeterT> does no_airport.diff disable airports? 20:17:57 <SmatZ> I guess so, yes 20:18:20 <PeterT> You don't know for sure? 20:18:36 <SmatZ> I do 20:19:06 <frosch123> PeterT: noone can be sure about some patch, if the number of patches passes some hundrets 20:19:11 <PeterT> How did you get this picture? http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/3d/tunnel.png 20:19:19 <PeterT> that's true frosch 20:19:37 <frosch123> i guess smatz pressed ctrl+s for ingame screenshot 20:19:54 <SmatZ> yeah 20:20:12 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@62.75.156.9] has joined #openttd 20:20:14 <PeterT> with what patch? 20:20:27 <SmatZ> with that one in that directory? 20:21:06 <frosch123> 11060 :o, it thought it was yesterday 20:21:23 <SmatZ> yeah :( 20:21:31 <Eddi|zuHause> that was ages ago 20:21:33 <planetmaker> :-) Hey, that's even before my openttd time. So aaaages ago ;-) 20:21:42 <SmatZ> hehe 20:22:41 <Eddi|zuHause> this is really hopeless... my air capacity must increase tenfold... 20:23:29 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: do you need 16/4 aircraft speed? 20:24:03 <Eddi|zuHause> no... the speed is not really that important... the landing strips and loading bays are the limiting factors 20:28:53 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.87.93.plusnet.thn-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:30:24 <Belugas> he eagle has not yet landed 20:30:33 <Belugas> mmh... 20:30:39 <Belugas> forgot toscroll :S 20:31:34 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.185.0] has joined #openttd 20:33:01 <Belugas> [15:17] <SmatZ> all devs have awesome pages, some just more private than me :) <-- some are not really dev oriented anymore... 20:33:22 <SmatZ> hehe :) 20:34:18 <PeterT> What's the chance of small map/minimap zoom getting into trunk? 20:34:35 <SmatZ> high 20:34:47 <PeterT> Soon? 20:35:01 <frosch123> if you finish it :p 20:35:09 <PeterT> What's not finished about it? 20:35:25 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-102-77.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:35:42 <frosch123> i guess i forgot :p 20:36:12 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@134.158.206-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 20:37:01 <SmatZ> someone has to understand why it looks as it looks now :) and if there is a way to simplify it 20:37:08 <SmatZ> I spent some time with it, but I am not finished 20:37:35 *** Timmaexx [~quassel@port-92-201-52-253.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:40:38 <PeterT> Thanks SmatZ 20:40:56 <PeterT> Also, is diagonal level and clear destined to fail? 20:41:23 <planetmaker> pssst: you ask a lot of questions 20:41:33 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.185.0] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:41:37 <SmatZ> :o) 20:41:48 <petern> some of you are going to die 20:41:54 <petern> martyrs of course 20:41:58 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@3.108.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:42:04 <petern> to the freedom that i will provide 20:45:24 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.175.23] has joined #openttd 20:45:43 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:46:06 <Belugas> i know what you're doing ! 20:46:32 <Belugas> i'm pingpong-ing with a xylophone 20:48:35 *** Ammler [~ammler@openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 20:48:46 *** Ammler is now known as Guest140 20:49:21 *** Guest140 is now known as Ammler 21:03:01 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r2ap232.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: It's all over.] 21:03:21 <Eddi|zuHause> that is so funny... i am on 16th february, and one of my trams already made -1.5Mio DM ;) 21:03:23 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r2ap232.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 21:03:59 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r2ap232.net.upc.cz] has quit [] 21:04:01 <Belugas> proof that OTTD is not a realistic game! 21:04:18 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r2ap232.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 21:06:54 <SmatZ> public transport undergoing sounds quite realistic 21:13:23 <Belugas> trams? 21:13:34 <Belugas> 16th century? 21:13:38 <Belugas> yeah :) 21:13:44 <SmatZ> hehe :) 21:20:02 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9D44.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:21:22 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.175.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:24:01 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.82.154.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 21:25:40 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@89.246.204.106] has joined #openttd 21:28:17 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 21:32:07 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.82.154.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:34:14 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008103100]] 21:34:23 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:34:39 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.25.195.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 21:44:47 <Eddi|zuHause> err... the linkgraph view on the minimap is an extreme ressource hog... does it repeatedly calculate all the values on redraw or what? 21:48:17 <planetmaker> it needs to draw all vehicles 21:50:49 <Eddi|zuHause> but it does not repeatedly need to redraw everything 21:52:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i have the feeling that the metropolitan airport is even more useless than the city airport 21:52:45 <Fast2> Is there a quick way for measuring the length from one point on the map to another (in tiles)? 21:53:08 <Fast2> Oh, I did'nt say hello: Hello :D 21:59:08 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:01:05 <planetmaker> hi. 22:01:15 <planetmaker> Yes, there is. If it's a straight line 22:01:32 <planetmaker> look for "measurment tool" in the advanced options in the UI section 22:01:37 <Belugas> didn't meush got his tool in trunK? 22:01:40 <planetmaker> and set it to "enable" 22:01:42 <Belugas> yeah.. that one 22:01:52 <planetmaker> quite handy. 22:02:06 <planetmaker> Then use the cost estimation so that you don't accidentially build the road or rail 22:02:28 <planetmaker> or rather control, if nothing is built - you cannot remove unbuilt things ;-) 22:04:25 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: smatz * r18302 /trunk/src/town_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#3328](r18281): city size multiplier was ignored when generating new game 22:05:04 <Fast2> OK, I'll try it. 22:07:58 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 22:10:08 <Coco-Banana-Man> hooray =) @r18302 22:10:20 <Forked> =) 22:11:09 <SmatZ> :) 22:12:10 <Coco-Banana-Man> thanks SmatZ :) 22:12:58 <Belugas> waht the hell am i still doing here???? 22:13:03 * Belugas leaves in a hurry 22:13:05 <Belugas> BYE! 22:13:59 <PeterT> bye 22:14:00 <Fast2> Bye Belugas 22:14:17 <Coco-Banana-Man> bye Belugas 22:14:34 *** welshdragon [~mjones@147.143.254.188] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:15:51 <Fast2> Hmmm, I can't find the option... But I found the changelog of version r6800. Is this not an extra tool? 22:16:20 <frosch123> i would search under interface 22:16:27 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:16:55 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:17:23 <Fast2> If this is "oberfl?che" in the german version, than is it not there. 22:18:42 <frosch123> interface->display options->measurement tool 22:19:21 <Coco-Banana-Man> which option? The city size multiplier? 22:19:23 <frosch123> oberfl?che->darstellung->abmessungen 22:19:37 <Fast2> "Beim Bauen Tooltip mit Abmessungen anzeigen"? 22:19:44 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 22:20:05 <Coco-Banana-Man> ah, that one.. 22:21:09 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 22:22:19 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... my game got suddenly really really slow... 22:22:45 <Fast2> I admit, I overlooked it. But it's still not an extra tool. A oppourtunity to get the length of a track, you are planning to build, would be great :) 22:23:47 <Eddi|zuHause> that is exactly what it does 22:24:05 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 22:24:15 <Fast2> I meant with all the curves 22:25:23 *** Peter_ [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:25:59 <Eddi|zuHause> that's a whole new level of difficulty... 22:27:12 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:28:21 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.25.195.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:30:12 <Fast2> But you could think on and integrate a planning tool for tracks, where you could , for example, compare the costs of two different variants. (If some developers have time and feel like implementing it :) ) 22:31:13 <Eddi|zuHause> honestly, i think it's rather unlikely to happen 22:33:48 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 22:33:57 <frosch123> i would like a undo knob 22:36:14 <Fast2> In singleplayer mode, there is already like undo (save and load again :) 9 22:37:07 <Fast2> I considered it interesting, but I know it's much work. 22:38:09 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.70.3.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 22:38:16 <frosch123> but autosave is so slow when playing on 2k x 2k 22:38:58 <Fast2> Yes, that's right. By the way: I'm saving by myself. 22:39:14 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:39:36 *** Peter_ is now known as PeterT 22:39:38 <Fast2> You could try to improve the saving process ;) 22:40:05 <PeterT> @seen Born_Acorn 22:40:05 <DorpsGek> PeterT: Born_Acorn was last seen in #openttd 20 weeks, 2 days, 7 hours, 54 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: <Born_Acorn> Bbl 22:40:17 <frosch123> if would rather decrease max map size to 512x512 22:41:01 <Fast2> I'm playing on 1024^2 and it's pretty fast (but I'm still at the beginning) 22:41:09 <Fast2> Big maps are cool 22:42:49 <Fast2> It's time to leave for me. Good night. 22:43:00 <frosch123> iirc i only once tried to play a 1024^2 map: it was the first game with ottd 0.4.0.1 after previously playing ttdp, and i though "cool, big maps". i guess i explored the map for about 1 minute, and then wondered who coded such a stupid thing :p 22:45:20 <Rubidium> guess the most 'big map size' fanatics 'just' want a 1048576x2 map so the can run trains over very long distances making very huge amounts of money 22:45:52 <Fast2> One time, I even had a 2048^2 :D That was slow (and I would say it's only interesting for large multiplayer games). But 1024 is good, I think. 22:46:23 <planetmaker> Fast2: it's not even interesting for MP games 22:46:25 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r18303 /trunk/src/widget.cpp: -Fix: Widget indices are valid when >= 0. 22:46:47 <planetmaker> People simply cannot play those maps online. You never use such map to their potential and 1024^2 is WAY more fun 22:46:54 <planetmaker> 2048^2 stay empty 22:47:06 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 22:47:12 <planetmaker> our (un-written) rule is: not more than 1 million tiles 22:47:37 <Rubidium> so... no 1024x10248 then 22:47:50 <Rubidium> s/8// 22:47:54 <planetmaker> well... Computers simply don't handle it :-) 22:48:06 <Fast2> 255 people in 15 companies, saving and loading their previously played game could get that map full. :) 22:48:07 <planetmaker> oh... :-) well, the "computer" million 22:48:36 <frosch123> Fast2: likely you hit the 64k vehicle limit before it is filled 22:48:36 <Rubidium> @base 10 2 1000000 22:48:36 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 11110100001001000000 22:48:41 <Rubidium> @base 2 10 1000000 22:48:41 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 64 22:48:53 <frosch123> except you are one of those building 20 parallel tracks for 5 trains 22:48:54 <Rubidium> planetmaker: that's 'only' 64 :) 22:49:28 <planetmaker> hm? oh :-P 22:49:32 <Fast2> frosch123: No, I'm trying the other way round: using less tracks. 22:49:56 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.70.3.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:50:01 <Rubidium> use ships if you don't have enough space 22:50:03 <Fast2> 5 trains on one track with a few waiting places 22:50:05 <planetmaker> Fast2: but then you don't need too big maps. It's easy to get 1500 trains going on even 512x1024 22:50:06 <frosch123> i'm always impressed by screenshots on the forums with huge junctions, lots of track, but hardly trains :p 22:50:25 <planetmaker> hehe ^ 22:50:42 <Fast2> frosch123: They're just looking cool. That's the reason for building them :) 22:50:46 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@134.158.206-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:51:05 <frosch123> no, without running trains they look stupid 22:51:21 <frosch123> even more stupid than with blocked trains 22:51:34 <Fast2> That's a matter of your point of view. 22:51:40 <Fast2> *lol* 22:52:03 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:52:10 <Fast2> But I really have to go now 22:52:16 <Fast2> Bye! 22:56:01 <PeterT> How long is an OpenTTD year? 22:56:12 *** welshdragon [~mjones@147.143.254.247] has joined #openttd 22:56:15 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 22:56:29 <frosch123> @calc 365*74*0.03 22:56:29 <DorpsGek> frosch123: 810.3 22:56:31 <planetmaker> 13.x minutes 22:56:34 <frosch123> @calc 365*74*0.03/60 22:56:34 <DorpsGek> frosch123: 13.505 22:56:41 <PeterT> what is that formula? 22:57:02 <PeterT> days in a year * ??? * ??? 22:57:06 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F8A7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:57:08 <frosch123> that is the formula of immortalness 22:58:01 <planetmaker> frosch123: you miss 42 in it. And some coffee spillt there, too 22:58:03 <frosch123> the "74" is mentioned at least once a week in this channel 22:58:10 <PeterT> @calc 13.505*11 22:58:10 <DorpsGek> PeterT: 148.555 22:58:48 <PeterT> I was trying to figure out how long until there is maglev in #openttdcoop 22:59:10 <planetmaker> 30 milliseconds a tick. A day is 74 ticks 22:59:30 <PeterT> Oh 22:59:35 <PeterT> 0.03? 22:59:38 <frosch123> @base 18 10 42 22:59:38 <DorpsGek> frosch123: 74 22:59:48 <planetmaker> :-D 22:59:49 <frosch123> planetmaker: i am just using decimal for computations 23:00:11 <frosch123> no idea why others use 18-system 23:00:17 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9D44.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:00:36 <planetmaker> frosch123: yes. Along those lines I'll never be 30 ;-) 23:01:08 <planetmaker> @base 10 16 25 23:01:08 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 19 23:01:17 <planetmaker> @base 10 16 23 23:01:18 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 17 23:01:32 <frosch123> you are unsure about your age? 23:01:53 <planetmaker> (which we actually played on a friend of mine: on her 23rd birthday she got a cake with a 17 on it - with that very explanation ;-) 23:02:14 <planetmaker> (I'm older :-P ) 23:02:42 *** Arvid_ [~m4r3z@16.81-166-200.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:02:50 <frosch123> is she studiing cs, or only all her friends? :p 23:02:55 *** Arvid_ [~m4r3z@16.81-166-200.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 23:03:02 <planetmaker> neither nor ;-) 23:03:23 <planetmaker> But there are other things you can study where you also become nerdy ;-) 23:03:26 <frosch123> oh, they are all grf artists? 23:03:49 <planetmaker> (she's a physicist) 23:04:58 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F8A7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:05:28 <frosch123> chemist can also play such "games" :p 23:07:03 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [] 23:08:03 <planetmaker> but there "base" gets an even more extended meaning :-P 23:08:17 <planetmaker> (and might 'solve' problems in a different manner :-P ) 23:10:06 <planetmaker> Time for bed. 23:10:18 <planetmaker> Have a good night :-) Quak! ;-) 23:10:36 <frosch123> yeah, i should also leave 23:10:39 <frosch123> night 23:10:44 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc4a9.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:13:41 <PeterT> @calc 2000/4.5 23:13:41 <DorpsGek> PeterT: 444.444444444 23:13:54 <PeterT> 444.4444/365 23:14:03 <PeterT> @calc 444.4444/365 23:14:03 <DorpsGek> PeterT: 1.21765589041 23:14:19 <PeterT> @calc 4.5*365 23:14:19 <DorpsGek> PeterT: 1642.5 23:14:32 <PeterT> @calc 4.5*730 23:14:32 <DorpsGek> PeterT: 3285 23:15:11 <welshdragon> PeterT, what are you calculating for? 23:15:22 <PeterT> Posts per day 23:15:33 <welshdragon> aah 23:15:42 <PeterT> How many posts per year is what I'm figuring out 23:15:54 <PeterT> The first two equations were messy 23:20:22 <PeterT> @calc 13.5*9 23:20:22 <DorpsGek> PeterT: 121.5 23:20:28 <PeterT> @calc 13.5*9/60 23:20:28 <DorpsGek> PeterT: 2.025 23:20:53 <PeterT> @calc 13.505*9 23:20:53 <DorpsGek> PeterT: 121.545 23:34:05 <Terkhen> good night 23:34:08 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@71.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 23:35:13 *** XSlicer [~XSlicer@dhcp-095-096-066-172.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:37:24 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:37:58 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DDFD4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Die Nützlichkeit der Götter war schon immer eine zweifelhafte Sache. Man wusste nie so genau, wie man sie wirksam einsetzen konnte, ohne dass sie gleich b] 23:42:46 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 23:45:25 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 23:51:06 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:55:12 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@77-100-69-200.cable.ubr30.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:59:54 <PeterT> Can anybody on windows shed some light on this? http://bugs.openttd.org/task/3327