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00:09:31 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:27:18 *** XSlicer [~XSlicer@dhcp-095-096-066-172.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:32:51 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77BA2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:10 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B772EA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:33:53 <PeterT> What ever happened to DarkVater? 00:34:44 <Sacro> !seen Dark* 00:34:49 <Sacro> @seen Dark* 00:34:49 <DorpsGek> Sacro: Dark* could be DarkTakua (4 weeks, 4 days, 20 hours, 31 minutes, and 5 seconds ago), Darkvater (23 weeks, 2 days, 4 hours, 53 minutes, and 22 seconds ago), DarkSSHClone (36 weeks, 1 day, 4 hours, 14 minutes, and 41 seconds ago), DarkED (40 weeks, 4 days, 0 hours, 43 minutes, and 22 seconds ago), darks (46 weeks, 6 days, 14 hours, 33 minutes, and 10 seconds ago), dark (47 weeks, 3 days, 9 hours, 7 minutes, and 43 (1 more message) 00:35:03 <Sacro> @more 00:35:03 <DorpsGek> Sacro: seconds ago), darkkid (2 years, 13 weeks, 3 days, 8 hours, 24 minutes, and 45 seconds ago), or Darkebie (2 years, 20 weeks, 6 days, 4 hours, 22 minutes, and 5 seconds ago) 00:35:15 *** FR^2 [frr@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 00:35:17 <Sacro> DarkVater and DarkSSH are him 00:35:21 <Sacro> @seen Bjarni 00:35:21 <DorpsGek> Sacro: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 11 weeks, 3 days, 4 hours, 35 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <Bjarni> Belugas: there is no reason to write to PeterT. We already know he is unable to read anyway :P 00:50:21 *** FR^2 [frr@frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Der Worte sind genug gewechselt, lasst mich auch endlich Taten sehn!] 01:05:50 <_ln> @seen Tron 01:05:50 <DorpsGek> _ln: Tron was last seen in #openttd 1 year, 41 weeks, 4 days, 11 hours, 42 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: <Tron> gcc 2.95 is plain obsolete (even has several bugs in its C++ part). further at the very least the justifications given are extremely oversimplified. 01:07:12 <PeterT> @seen DarkVater 01:07:12 <DorpsGek> PeterT: DarkVater was last seen in #openttd 23 weeks, 2 days, 5 hours, 25 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <Darkvater> I'm liking this 01:07:22 <PeterT> @seen DarkSSH 01:07:22 <DorpsGek> PeterT: I have not seen DarkSSH. 01:08:13 <_ln> DorpsGek: even i have, why haven't you? 01:17:46 <SpComb> what's the setting to control if trains ever try and turn around while waiting at signals? 01:19:27 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-165-146-158.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:20:46 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-165-153-187.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 01:20:51 <PeterT> wait_for_pbs_path or something like that, SpComb 01:20:56 <PeterT> check @ list_patches 01:21:20 <fjb> wait_oneway_signal = 255 01:21:25 <fjb> wait_twoway_signal = 255 01:23:19 <fjb> wait_for_pbs_path = 255 01:23:43 <fjb> At least I hope so. 01:30:28 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9EBB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:34:28 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 01:34:48 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 01:37:54 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-171-246-68.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:37:58 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.83.226] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0] 02:00:22 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B31DD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:02:34 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B19CB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 02:02:37 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 02:03:06 *** Chrill [~chrischri@80.216.60.117] has quit [] 02:06:47 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-115-213.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:10:32 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:53:26 <SpComb> whee, this is fun 02:57:13 *** ecke [~ecke@88.86.107.135] has joined #openttd 03:12:19 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@77-100-69-200.cable.ubr30.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 03:16:32 <PeterT> spcomb: yeah... 03:17:29 <SpComb> amazing how you can spend 15 years tweaking your passenger network, and then realize that it's only got a dozen stations 03:26:17 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-171-246-68.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:26:42 <SpComb> playing trunk@r18309 + cargodist@18284 03:26:47 <SpComb> , and it's been fine so far 03:27:49 <SpComb> one thing I'm missing is the more deeply nested tree in the station view 03:27:51 <PeterT> what do you mean? 03:27:57 <PeterT> You merged trunk 18309? 03:27:57 <SpComb> as it is, you only see one level of next-hop 03:27:59 <PeterT> with cargodist? 03:28:19 <SpComb> I patched trunk@r18284, and then updated to r18309 (newest at that point) 03:28:23 <SpComb> the merge was one line 03:29:19 <SpComb> r18284 would crash when you tried to build a station (catchment area for station of zero width or somesuch) 03:33:09 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c371.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:36:16 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c94d:eeb2:8784:45b] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:40:42 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@77-100-69-200.cable.ubr30.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:21:29 *** mickster04 [~mike@adsl-87-102-81-105.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 04:21:46 <mickster04> does anyone know how to get 0.7.4RC1 with aptitude? 04:26:40 <PeterT> What is aptitude? 04:33:28 <mickster04> ermm for linux 04:33:41 <mickster04> i need to use a command line to get the newest version 04:36:33 <mickster04> nm 04:36:37 <mickster04> i think i can work around it 04:51:24 *** welshdragon [~mjones@147.143.254.247] has quit [Quit: Bai] 04:51:45 *** welshdragon [~mjones@147.143.254.247] has joined #openttd 04:51:50 <mickster04> man i am getting this server thingLD 04:51:56 <mickster04> command line is awesomeD 04:52:46 <mickster04> for future reference, wget the package, then install that, for ubuntu 9.1 you will need libicu38... so find that an wget it, i had it already downloaded... 05:05:22 *** mickster04 [~mike@adsl-87-102-81-105.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:07:33 <PeterT> Yeah, I always had trouble with the libicu38 part :-) 05:07:44 <PeterT> Oh, he isn't here anymore :O 05:10:11 <Sacro> yeah he's gone to bed 05:13:52 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 05:19:32 <SmatZ> # Mama I'm Coming Home 05:57:18 *** zodttd2 [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 06:00:25 <PeterT> Night 06:00:32 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:02:20 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:25:17 *** ecke [~ecke@88.86.107.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:28:44 *** Rakin [~zaerz_ahm@123.49.61.15] has joined #openttd 06:29:28 <Rakin> Which version of openttd uses the original ai 06:32:12 <Rakin> Which version of openttd uses the original ai 06:32:15 <Rakin> Which version of openttd uses the original ai 06:32:19 <Rakin> Which version of openttd uses the original ai 06:36:12 *** Rakin [~zaerz_ahm@123.49.61.15] has left #openttd [] 06:48:16 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. 06:53:05 <welshdragon> spammer 06:57:38 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@88.130.180.16] has joined #openttd 07:09:58 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:24:39 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:39:06 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 07:43:48 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@88.130.180.16] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:44:23 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 07:52:56 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 08:58:28 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 09:30:44 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F846.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:45:43 *** FooBar [~FooBar@mozart.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:46:58 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@mozart.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:47:53 <Ch0Hag> Why would anyone want the original AI? 09:48:17 *** Ammler [~ammler@openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:49:03 *** FooBar [~FooBar@mozart.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 09:49:39 <Rubidium> because they were better than the old AIs but not better than the current AI? 09:50:05 <Ch0Hag> SO it's a step forward if and only if you're using an ancient version of openttd. 09:50:09 <Ch0Hag> Which there's no need to do. 09:52:12 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@mozart.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 10:00:41 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d1df.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:10:39 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@71.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 10:10:42 <Terkhen> good morning 10:10:59 <planetmaker> moin 10:12:54 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFAE04.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:14:27 *** Ammler [~ammler@mozart.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 10:19:21 <planetmaker> hm... Sm4tZ gave me once a command line option which allowed to start openttd for <n> ticks and have it exit then. But I don't recall and I don't find it. 10:19:23 <planetmaker> Any ideas? 10:20:53 <planetmaker> background: I'd like to compare speed of different binaries 10:21:02 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DE014.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:34:41 <petern> using the null video driver 10:40:21 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.62] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:40:37 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.62] has joined #openttd 10:40:54 <planetmaker> ah. that was the trick. Thanks :-) 10:41:22 <planetmaker> Completely different question, petern : Are you in possession of road tiles from the simutrans comic pak? 10:41:34 <petern> no 10:41:54 <planetmaker> hm, ok. Then I was wrongly informed :-) 10:42:16 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db19833.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:45:28 <planetmaker> do you still follow your road / track types idea actually? 10:49:58 <Ammler> petern: didn't you once publish a hg repo with comic roads? 10:50:15 <Ammler> he, sorry then planetmaker :-P 10:51:16 <petern> Ammler, yes i did, but i had drawn those myself 10:51:41 <petern> planetmaker, the code is all still there, waiting for someone to pick up on it 10:51:45 <Ammler> well, those were nice, iirc ;-) 10:52:09 <petern> Ammler, they're still there 10:52:24 <petern> Ammler, but there wasn't a complete set of roads 10:52:46 <Ammler> I guess, planetmaker has someone who would like to work on roads 10:54:31 *** Goulp [~Goulp@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 11:03:40 *** Goulp [~Goulp@main.goulp.net] has quit [Quit: PACKET_SERVER_SHUTDOWN] 11:04:36 <planetmaker> indeed. 11:05:11 <planetmaker> Is there a public repo for those roads? Or would you mind to share them with me / with Auge for this purpose? 11:06:51 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 11:25:35 <Ch0Hag> Can you replace a vehicle with the same type, newly built? 11:30:35 <Alberth> that's autorenew 11:31:55 <Alberth> Hmm, wiki says little: http://wiki.openttd.org/Autorenew 11:32:52 <Alberth> in the advanced settings, under the vehicles->autorenew, you'll find the settings 11:33:06 <Alberth> an update of the wiki would be appreciated :) 11:34:39 <Alberth> http://wiki.openttd.org/Advanced_Settings/Vehicles#Autorenew more imcomplete discussion :( 11:35:59 <Ammler> what is missing? 11:36:48 <Ch0Hag> That works. 11:37:00 <Ch0Hag> When do vehicles decide to renew themselves? 11:37:19 <Ch0Hag> At least two of these crusty old buses have services themselves without being upgraded. 11:37:27 <Ch0Hag> And two others got upgraded when I wasn't looking. 11:37:30 <Ch0Hag> Renewed, sorry. 11:37:48 <Alberth> why you want it, what happens, a picture, perhaps 11:38:30 <Ammler> Ch0Hag: isn't that explained on the 2nd link Alberth posted? 11:38:34 <Alberth> (12:38:18 PM) Ch0Hag: When do vehicles decide to renew themselves? <-- is that at the wiki? 11:38:37 <Ch0Hag> Anyone who's ever played tt for more than 5 minutes knows why you want it. 11:39:02 <Ammler> Ch0Hag: not everyone ;-) 11:39:10 <Ammler> some disable breakdowns 11:39:27 <Ch0Hag> Locomotion frequently gets to the point that I spend all my time renewing trains. 11:40:15 <Ammler> how many trains can you have with locomotion? 11:40:34 <Ch0Hag> I don't know. I never got that far. 11:40:45 <Ch0Hag> I was always too busy renewing them o build new ones. 11:40:55 <Alberth> well, a discussion of openttd.cfg variables is not the first that comes to mind when thinking about autorenew ;) 11:41:18 <Ch0Hag> Yeah that seems more like it wouldn't be an advanced option. 11:41:38 <Alberth> maybe you are an advanced player ;) 11:48:29 <Ch0Hag> Probably. 11:48:49 <Ch0Hag> If it were a marketable skill, I'd have enough experience to walk in to any job. 11:50:01 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:03:16 <Ammler> autorenew is a gui setting? 12:04:29 <Ammler> or is that the old from "patches" time? 12:12:09 *** luckz [~lkz@luckz.de] has joined #openttd 12:14:31 <Alberth> I don't understand thos questions. What is a 'gui setting'? what 'patches' do you refer to? 12:14:36 <Alberth> *those 12:22:04 *** APTX| [~APTX@ks32603.kimsufi.com] has joined #openttd 12:22:08 *** APTX [~APTX@ks32603.kimsufi.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:26:17 <Ch0Hag> Bloody typical. 12:26:40 <Ch0Hag> Train 1 breaks down milliseconds after leaving the depot, so I tell train 2, which is now blocked, to ignore the signal. 12:26:43 <Ch0Hag> And it goes into the depot. 12:29:12 <Alberth> have some patience with trains :) 12:36:10 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.22.114.176] has joined #openttd 12:37:46 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-42.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:42:38 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc871.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:58:02 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93.81.230.177] has joined #openttd 13:00:43 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@77-100-69-200.cable.ubr30.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:09:32 *** worldemar [~woldemar@213.178.43.149] has quit [Quit: Desu isn't funny. I am serious, desu.] 13:14:35 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db19833.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: brb] 13:15:06 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-42.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [] 13:15:16 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db19833.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:25:09 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@88.130.180.16] has joined #openttd 13:25:20 <_ln> omfg, someone has finally renamed "patch settings" to something more sensible 13:28:17 <frosch123> what are you doing in this channel, if you haven't used ottd for a year? 13:28:26 <frosch123> (more than a year) 13:29:23 <Rubidium> someone must have lived in a cave for a very long time... 13:29:55 <SmatZ> hehe 13:30:05 <Alberth> september 8, 2008: (svn r14275) -Change: Rename 'Configure patches' to 'Advanced settings'. to be precise :) 13:30:33 <frosch123> wasn't it even backported? 13:30:44 <frosch123> to 0.6.3 13:31:26 <Alberth> no 13:31:38 <_ln> frosch123: talking off-topic things, of course. and i haven't had time to play within the past year. 13:33:11 <Alberth> possibly due to the swittch to the tree-ish view of the advanced settings. 13:33:26 <_ln> besides, i tend to get kicked almost every time i talk something on-topic. 13:35:02 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r18310 /trunk/src/company_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Introduce widgets for the names of the parts in the advanced face editing window, 13:38:47 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18311 /trunk/src/ (6 files): -Codechange: no need to hardcode locations of some 'random' windows 13:40:53 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r18312 /trunk/src/company_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Simplify the nested widget part arrays of both face windows, and move a bit towards merging. 13:42:46 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r18313 /trunk/src/company_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Decide the size of the widgets displaying values of parts in the advanced face window dynamically. 13:43:27 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r18314 /trunk/src/timetable_gui.cpp: -Fix: Disable 'start date' button for timetable windows of other companies. 13:44:05 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r18315 /trunk/src/company_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Remove fixed minimal sizes of the other widgets in both face windows. 13:45:15 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r18316 /trunk/src/company_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Introduce selection widgets to enable turning parts of the face window on and off. 13:48:09 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r18317 /trunk/src/company_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Merge both face windows into a single window description and widget parts array. 13:48:39 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm212.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 13:54:40 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18318 /trunk/src/ (9 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: add an enum value for manual window placement 14:03:37 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 14:07:21 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r18319 /trunk/src/timetable_gui.cpp: -Fix: Timetable window wrt. big/small fonts. 14:17:45 *** cionek [~cionek@201.86.14.223.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 14:27:53 *** cionek [~cionek@201.86.14.223.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Quit: cionek has no reason] 14:30:12 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18320 /trunk/src/ (4 files): -Codechange: make the terraform and transparency window not use absolute location but manually calculate based on toolbar size etc. 14:35:56 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:36:56 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18321 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 2 dirs): -Fix [FS#3331]: make the toolbars also calculate their top location based on the main toolbar's height instead of hardcoding that 14:36:58 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@88.130.180.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:42:47 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18322 /trunk/src/ (48 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: remove the WDP duplication; no need to tell the same twice. 15:00:57 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18323 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#3330]: credits were drawn on the border of the window 15:02:01 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18324 /trunk/src/ (22 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: there's no need for a default size when the window isn't resizable 15:06:22 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:11:50 *** The_Exile [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:12:13 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 15:12:38 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r18325 /trunk/src/ (51 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: Use GetSpriteSize() instead of hard {SETX}. Also make the 'current order'-arrow in order and timetable GUI RTL aware. 15:12:47 *** The_Exile is now known as JVassie 15:12:50 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:13:35 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db19833.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: bis dann] 15:15:20 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 15:21:34 <TrueBrain> *burp* 15:21:47 <TrueBrain> (just wanted to spoil the endless commits without any conversation) 15:21:53 <_ln> good evening to you too, sir 15:34:40 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:37:36 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F846.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:56:56 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-165-153-187.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:50 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-165-153-187.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 16:04:11 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485C5FE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:06:50 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@88.130.180.16] has joined #openttd 16:10:44 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r18326 /trunk/src/order_gui.cpp: -Fix (r18325): Missing signedness conversion. 16:11:07 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F722.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:16:01 *** zachanim1 [~zach@50A2DB23.flatrate.dk] has joined #openttd 16:22:53 *** zachanima [~zach@50A2DB23.flatrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:26:13 <SpComb> man, cargodist is hard 16:26:24 <SpComb> the stations have like waaaay too many passengers 16:27:10 <SpComb> but it still has annoying issues like if you build a tram station in a big town next to a major train station, then you've suddenly got 1500 passengers that all want to ride the 35-passenger tram 16:27:21 <SpComb> a distance of five tiles or so 16:27:42 <PeterT> Hehe 16:27:47 <PeterT> that's cargodist for you 16:30:54 *** Rakin [~zaerz_ahm@123.49.61.15] has joined #openttd 16:30:57 <SpComb> and figuring out the passenger flows is still a bit cryptic 16:31:04 <SpComb> I've been using capacity vs planned flow so far 16:31:18 <SpComb> (i.e. planned flow > capacity -> increase capacity) 16:32:09 <Rakin> which version of openttd has the original ai 16:32:12 <petern> none 16:32:55 <Rakin> what about 0.6.3 16:33:54 <frosch123> 0.6.3 has a broken old ai, if you mean that one 16:34:34 <frosch123> maybe even two 16:35:03 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 16:35:19 <Rakin> where can i get a transport tycoon deluxe with the original ai which work in vista 16:35:30 <frosch123> google for ttdpatch 16:36:37 <Rakin> can u give me a link with ttd and ttdpatch 16:37:11 <frosch123> sure: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ttdpatch 16:37:50 <Forked> hehe 16:38:17 <PeterT> www.ttdpatch.net 16:38:40 <PeterT> Or use the broked AI :-p 16:39:08 <PeterT> ^ 16:40:02 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@88.130.180.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:44:41 *** Rakin [~zaerz_ahm@123.49.61.15] has left #openttd [] 16:45:18 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:51:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@88.130.180.16] has joined #openttd 16:56:09 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 16:56:53 <SpComb> and on top of it, said trams are earning negative amounts of money whenever they stop 16:56:58 <SpComb> how the heck does that happen? 16:57:26 <Eddi|zuHause> you are using transfers 16:58:06 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not really negative, but you earn less than was previously expected when unloading at the intermediate stop 16:58:58 <Eddi|zuHause> so for the last stop you earn (real amount) - (sum of all transfers) 16:59:09 <Eddi|zuHause> which may be negative, especially if going backwards 17:01:15 <PeterT> it's a strange system, yes 17:09:32 *** XSlicer [~XSlicer@dhcp-095-096-066-172.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:12:34 <Sacro> PeterT: irssi 17:12:51 <PeterT> Thanks, I got it 17:13:02 <PeterT> -Sacro- VERSION irssi v0.8.14 17:13:43 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c19d:d891:2018:b405] has joined #openttd 17:13:46 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:14:47 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:26:39 *** Jhs [~Jhs4@103.80-202-23.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 17:27:51 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:28:17 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 17:28:22 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejg246.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 17:31:49 <Ch0Hag> Do town ever upgrade their bridges? 17:31:54 <Ch0Hag> Wooden bridges are ugly. 17:31:56 <Ch0Hag> (And slow) 17:40:04 *** LordAzamath [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 17:40:21 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFAE04.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:46:52 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-165-153-187.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:54:39 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 17:58:49 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 18:05:54 <Eddi|zuHause> no, but you can overbuild them 18:06:20 <SpComb> boo, are there no terminus-style tram stops? 18:06:31 <SpComb> no 18:06:33 <Eddi|zuHause> no 18:06:36 <Eddi|zuHause> which is sad 18:07:10 <Eddi|zuHause> anything to come in that direction will depend on the newgrf airports to be finished 18:19:15 <PeterT> What's not finished about NewGRF Airports? 18:21:46 <Alberth> close to everything 18:22:36 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@184.111.203.213.9lyon1-0-ro-bas-1.9tel.net] has joined #openttd 18:22:54 <Alberth> yexo made a first step, but haven't seem him a long time 18:23:30 <Ch0Hag> So it doesn't so much need to be finished as started. 18:24:17 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it WAS started (twice) 18:27:47 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:32:19 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:35:44 <Alberth> Ch0Hag: lots of projects get started here, but only few also finish 18:36:00 <Alberth> (or get to a working state) 18:36:13 *** Gremnon [~Gremnon@87.112.14.85.plusnet.ptn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 18:37:10 *** Gremnon [~Gremnon@87.112.14.85.plusnet.ptn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [] 18:42:21 <PeterT> Alberth: Good way to put it 18:43:49 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm212.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:45:46 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r18327 /trunk/src/lang/ (8 files): (log message trimmed) 18:45:46 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:46 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: catalan - 26 changes by arnau 18:45:46 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: traditional_chinese - 24 changes by josesun 18:45:46 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: finnish - 4 changes by jpx_ 18:45:47 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: french - 2 changes by glx 18:45:47 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: greek - 30 changes by 19:19:02 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-165-135-3.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 19:32:27 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 19:39:22 *** zodttd2 [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:43:59 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.229.201] has joined #openttd 19:51:12 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejg246.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:52:55 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aos16.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 19:54:30 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFAE04.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:55:52 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 20:01:26 *** |Terkhen| [~Terkhen@82.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 20:02:08 *** deghosty [~s@69-165-145-176.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 20:03:52 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-165-135-3.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:08:03 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@71.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:15:31 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r18328 /trunk/src/ (44 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: Remove last usage of {SETX} from strings. 20:24:57 <frosch123> TrueBrain: do you feel like repairing wt3, if i break it? :p 20:25:17 <TrueBrain> nope 20:25:20 <TrueBrain> so don't break it :) 20:25:38 <frosch123> can wt3 deal with stuff being removed from -export-commands 20:26:09 <TrueBrain> dunno .. it should reload it once in a while, no idea if that would work 20:26:12 <TrueBrain> try it :p 20:26:32 *** deghosty [~s@69-165-145-176.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:26:50 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-165-135-180.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 20:27:13 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-7bf8e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 20:27:54 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r18329 /trunk/src/ (strgen/strgen.cpp table/strgen_tables.h): -Remove: [strgen] Support for {SETX} and {SETXY}. Let it rest in peace as NewGRF relict. 20:29:14 <TrueBrain> Files /var/www/finger.openttd.org/scripts/strgen-updates/inst_dir/trunk/commands.txt and /var/www/finger.openttd.org/htdocs/strgen/trunk/commands.txt differ 20:29:15 <TrueBrain> Files /var/www/finger.openttd.org/scripts/strgen-updates/inst_dir/trunk/version.txt and /var/www/finger.openttd.org/htdocs/strgen/trunk/version.txt differ 20:29:18 <TrueBrain> at least that is picked up correctly :) 20:29:31 <TrueBrain> no idea then what :p 20:29:54 <frosch123> :) 20:30:07 <TrueBrain> nope, WT3 didn't noticed it yet 20:30:53 <frosch123> does it compile strgen itself? :o 20:30:57 <TrueBrain> yup 20:31:00 <TrueBrain> how else? :) 20:31:09 <TrueBrain> it can ask you to do it, but that might lag too much 20:31:17 <Zuu> Hi TrueBrain 20:31:31 <Zuu> was you able to solve the bananas upload issue? 20:31:31 <frosch123> dunno, it could wait for the nightly 20:31:39 <Zuu> or did it even solve by itself :-) 20:31:47 <frosch123> sorry truebrain for summoning you 20:31:48 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:32:00 <TrueBrain> Zuu: no idea; the error was completely weird 20:32:10 <TrueBrain> frosch123: I wouldn't reply if I wouldn't want to :p 20:32:37 <Zuu> TrueBrain: So you tried to upload yourself and it worked all fine? 20:32:49 <TrueBrain> nope, didn't try 20:33:05 <TrueBrain> and I want to bet if you try it now, it works :p 20:33:12 <Zuu> Yea, probably :-) 20:33:32 <TrueBrain> every time we restart django, it works ... and if it fails, it is impossible to find out why 20:33:37 <TrueBrain> magic, I say 20:33:52 <frosch123> Zuu: if you feel lucky, you can also try http://bugs.openttd.org/task/3333 :p 20:34:56 <Zuu> hmm, that looks like development. I have given myself a development ban for the rest of the evening for having developed far to much the last days. :-) 20:34:59 <TrueBrain> frosch123: weird .. despite the fact all notification went okay, WT3 never updated itself :( 20:35:32 <TrueBrain> but okay .. SETX and SETXY are no longer valid commands 20:35:37 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18330 /trunk/src/ (32 files in 6 dirs): -Cleanup: remove some unneeded includes 20:39:37 <frosch123> yeah, now we only need to silently remove the support for them from newgrf without anyone noticing :p 20:40:03 <TrueBrain> just commit it, but don't let CIA announce it! 20:40:06 <TrueBrain> silently enough? 20:40:24 <frosch123> :p 20:40:38 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 20:41:56 <glx> just make it not explicit ;) 20:42:36 <TrueBrain> or ask Rubidium for a commit message :p 20:43:07 <Zuu> There should be a method to escape commit messages so that they can not be understood by users :-) 20:43:20 <TrueBrain> well, escape them! :) 20:44:16 <TrueBrain> @base 36 2 RemoveSETXfromNewGRFsupport 20:44:16 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 10010010011110010001010111000000011100100001100111100000100001001011101101111011100111101100011110101010100001011101001110001011101010101001 20:44:17 <frosch123> maybe, when the string codes are mentioned in decimal, no nfo coder would recognise them 20:44:45 <Rubidium> frosch123: 1 hex is still 1 dec 20:44:46 <glx> hehe 20:45:06 <frosch123> ok, but at least 31 20:45:43 * Hirundo proposes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septemvigesimal 20:47:13 <Zuu> Or jus Lojban / Esprento and hope that not too many people actually know them. 20:47:18 <TrueBrain> "dambumirri dambumirri rulu" <- you got to love wikipedia :) 20:47:20 <Zuu> use* 21:08:07 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@89.246.203.251] has joined #openttd 21:08:11 <_ln> so the Berlin wall wasn't always built exactly at the border, interesting 21:08:30 <Eddi|zuHause> _ln: no, the wall was not on the border 21:08:40 <Eddi|zuHause> it was well into east german territory 21:10:51 <_ln> okay 21:14:00 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-7bf8e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:15:08 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@88.130.180.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:16:10 <Eddi|zuHause> <frosch123> yeah, now we only need to silently remove the support for them from newgrf without anyone noticing :p <-- how about making it proportional to font size/other stuff? like make it a fraction of the width of <letter> (e.g. 'M'), where with the default font, that fraction gets close to 1? 21:16:57 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: the only usage of setx i know of is indenting stuff in vehicle purchase list for oversized sprites 21:17:38 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, and DanMacK threatening to use it all over the place ;) 21:17:44 <frosch123> the second theoretical usage is to create columns in some kind of table, but haven't seen one yet 21:18:18 <frosch123> but actually this topic has been discussed too much :p 21:18:42 <Eddi|zuHause> i know, but it didn't come up with a solution 21:18:43 <TrueBrain> Random stats: 1000+ users registers to OpenTTD.org webservices 21:18:55 <TrueBrain> (wiki, bugs, BaNaNaS, translator) 21:19:12 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: so that's about 1% of the player base? 21:19:24 <TrueBrain> have you count our player base? 21:19:38 <TrueBrain> it is 1000% of the irc users of OpenTTD :p 21:19:49 <Eddi|zuHause> i think Rubidium made an estimate recently 21:20:01 <Eddi|zuHause> coming up with a number around 100.000 21:20:05 <TrueBrain> then we first need to talk about what you define as 'player base' 21:20:25 <TrueBrain> ever downloaded? Keeps updating? Plays more than once? 21:22:07 <TrueBrain> either way, about << 10% who visit openttd.org has an account :) 21:22:16 <TrueBrain> (14,000 unique people a day visit openttd.org) 21:24:44 <Eddi|zuHause> interesting would be a uniqe visitors per year, but you can't really get stats about that 21:24:49 <TrueBrain> nope 21:24:55 <TrueBrain> even Google doesn't go that far :p 21:25:20 <Eddi|zuHause> well, you can hardly track dynamic ips for more than one day ;) 21:25:44 <TrueBrain> you could in theory track a /24 or so, and use User-Agent and surf-behavoir to match them 21:26:03 *** Forked [~kjetil@presenterer.formye.info] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:26:22 <Eddi|zuHause> i think my IP jumps more than a /24 every day 21:29:00 <TrueBrain> I don't understand dynamic IPs in these days, but okay .. that is another story :p 21:29:16 <frosch123> long life for ipv4 ! 21:29:52 <_ln> i have a dynamic ip that has been unchanged since june 2008. 21:30:05 <TrueBrain> this week a company called and offered network hardware .. so I told them we require them to carry IPv6 (layer3 switches) .. it was silent for a moment, and the response: sorry, our switches do not support that. Well .. bye then! 21:30:53 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@89.246.203.251] has joined #openttd 21:31:10 <Eddi|zuHause> the ISPs here are not keen on switching to IPv6 either... 21:31:24 <TrueBrain> no ISP is .. "customers do not want it", they reply 21:31:36 <TrueBrain> well, I am happy to have our ISP IPv6 ready and serving 21:32:37 <TrueBrain> although at first they did not want to give us a /48, but only a /96 ... after a long talk that lucky is a /64, still .. relatively small 21:32:57 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:34:09 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 21:34:29 <Eddi|zuHause> how many bits is it over all? 128? so you have still more addresses than the entire IPv4 space? 21:34:36 <TrueBrain> yup 21:34:44 <TrueBrain> but they also go a LOT faster :) 21:35:03 <TrueBrain> you link 1 domain to 1 IPv6, as it was meant to work 21:35:14 <_ln> is the IPv6 porn project already online? 21:36:23 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@89.246.203.251] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:37:24 <fjb> Naked IPv6? 21:38:34 <_ln> there was/is a plan to offer good quality porn movies for download for free, but only through IPv6. 21:38:59 <_ln> to make IPv6 more popular. 21:39:54 <fjb> Hope they would not use stripped down IPv6. 21:55:34 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:59:51 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c19d:d891:2018:b405] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00:05 <Eddi|zuHause> great story about an alternate universe, where germany actually LOST the 2nd world war: http://www.theonion.com/content/news/alternate_universe_sci_fi_channel 22:01:06 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c19d:d891:2018:b405] has joined #openttd 22:01:09 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 22:01:31 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: are you thinking what I'm thinking, i.e. "huh?!?" 22:02:00 <Eddi|zuHause> :I 22:05:42 <_ln> are you thinking what I'm thinking, i.e. "theonion.com" 22:08:12 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db19833.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 22:08:30 *** N35 [~user@0x55535623.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:08:51 <Fast2> We did't lose it? 22:11:51 <Fast2> Do you really use the word "panzerkampfwagens"? 22:12:33 <frosch123> Fast2: try the abbreviation 22:14:35 <Fast2> That's PKW (which means ""Personenkraftwagen"). 22:15:12 <frosch123> you must be living in a weird universe, if it means that 22:17:16 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:17:28 <Fast2> According to your nickname, I assume you're german, so you should know the meaning of "PKW" 22:19:10 <frosch123> sorry, i was joking, you are right 22:19:51 *** Kwomkwommr [~sp@a123119.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 22:20:07 <Fast2> Now I'm completely confused 22:20:18 *** N35 [~user@0x55535623.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 22:20:39 <Rubidium> nah, frosch123 isn't German... he's Deutsch 22:20:59 <frosch123> does that matter in a worldwide nation empire? 22:21:58 <_ln> besides, in a worldwide empire, is there even a need for a generalized term of a volkswagen? 22:22:08 <_ln> due to lack of other brands 22:22:49 <Fast2> frosch123: Ah, I reconstructed your mind. 22:23:34 <frosch123> _ln: i guess you are mixing up german dictatorships. the article is not about the one with only one brand for everything 22:25:52 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:25:59 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 22:26:01 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aos16.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 22:32:03 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 22:34:17 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:41:04 *** LordAzamath [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]] 22:42:02 *** N35 [~user@0x55535623.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:51:42 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 22:54:44 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F846.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:06:41 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93.81.230.177] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:12:52 *** XSlicer [~XSlicer@dhcp-095-096-066-172.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:21:49 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@184.111.203.213.9lyon1-0-ro-bas-1.9tel.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:29:29 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 23:37:13 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:38:37 <|Terkhen|> good night 23:38:39 *** |Terkhen| [~Terkhen@82.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 23:39:44 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F846.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:42:55 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc871.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:54:50 <SpComb> first long-distance electric train \o/ 23:54:53 <SpComb> and it's not even 1971 23:55:21 <_ln> but odd 1971 23:55:32 <Rubidium> is that so odd? 23:56:31 *** Gremnon [~Gremnon@87.112.14.85.plusnet.ptn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 23:57:02 <Rubidium> like... I know a (relatively) long distance electric train in 1964 23:57:16 <SpComb> yeah, I'm being slow 23:57:50 <Rubidium> (assuming 500 km can be considered long distance) 23:59:16 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss]