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Baby boom. "Passengers production at Oil Rig increases 50%" 08:49:14 *** Wheatbix [~tegal_85@115-64-156-58.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:52:08 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CE51.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:54:15 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:09:18 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 09:09:57 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:13:20 *** Mark_ [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:14:09 *** Mark_ is now known as Mark 09:38:55 <SmatZ> Ch0Hag: ./configure --revision=r12345 09:39:12 <SmatZ> but don't complain if you desync or have any other peoblem :-p 09:43:27 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@72.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 09:44:54 <Terkhen> good morning 09:46:01 <SmatZ> morning Terkhen 09:55:25 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 09:57:18 *** LordAzamath [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]] 10:00:51 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:01:47 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 10:05:18 <andythenorth> morning 10:09:18 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 10:09:41 <andythenorth> question to the audience... 10:10:31 <andythenorth> when a passenger ship can be refitted to freight, should I use: 'number passengers = capacity in t' ? 10:10:41 <andythenorth> in favour: makes the buy menu easier 10:10:49 <andythenorth> against: it's a bit stupid 10:18:52 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:19:47 *** LordAzamath [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 10:22:29 <petern> andythenorth, just add a bit of 'extra text'? 10:26:26 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 10:32:39 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 10:32:49 <andythenorth> petern: yep, I think that's the best route 10:32:59 <andythenorth> 1 pax != 1t 10:33:14 <andythenorth> unless obesity is really getting out of hand 10:34:55 <petern> :) 10:44:59 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c9e2.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:53:23 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:54:43 <andythenorth> I've made all the ships in FISH about 2mph slower 10:55:05 <andythenorth> it's more realistic, looks better, and they should still make good profit on sane routes 10:55:09 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dba9fb9.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:55:29 <andythenorth> Would slower ships put you off using them? 10:55:44 <andythenorth> (MB's new ships are way fast, but I kind of got used to them) 10:56:43 *** Fugas [~admin@isbprachen.clnet.cz] has quit [] 10:56:49 *** Fugas [~admin@isbprachen.clnet.cz] has joined #openttd 11:01:26 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.62] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:02:14 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 11:03:55 *** XSlicer [~XSlicer@dhcp-095-096-066-172.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 11:05:21 <planetmaker> andythenorth: slow ships are fine IMO 11:05:50 <andythenorth> that's good :) 11:05:52 <planetmaker> though, of course, you could just use "realistic" speeds. They're < 50km/h anyway except for speed pax ferries 11:06:24 <planetmaker> and I never build for money anyway. As long as I make sufficient profit to sustain myself and build big - all is fine then 11:08:19 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 11:08:20 <planetmaker> btw... I just looked at fish's code. It really could nicely use templates :-) 11:09:47 <Eddi|zuHause> <andythenorth> unless obesity is really getting out of hand <-- when transporting passengers, the passenger is not the only thing that needs to be transported 11:09:54 <Eddi|zuHause> he may have luggage 11:10:09 <Alberth> and stacking is a bit awkward with passengers 11:10:13 <Eddi|zuHause> and all the facilities (toilets, food supply, etc.) must be transported as well 11:10:34 <planetmaker> true. 1t / PAX might not be the worst guess 11:11:38 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: interesting point. But I think of ferries as per commuters....a briefcase, a coffee and a croissant != 1t :) 11:11:47 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it's probably still less than that 11:11:48 <andythenorth> if it's a car ferry, different story 11:11:58 <andythenorth> car = 1t 11:12:01 <andythenorth> 4 people per car 11:12:17 <andythenorth> 250kg per person? 11:12:25 <andythenorth> + the person 11:12:37 <Eddi|zuHause> but let's think of a car, a typical car weighs about 1,5t, and when fully loaded (with 5 people+luggage) up to 3,5t 11:13:26 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: unlikely... a car + caravan may generally not weigh more than 3,5t in the Netherlands, so 2-2,5t for a fully loaded car is more reasonable 11:13:27 <andythenorth> just at a guess, my vehicle ferry that carries 585 passengers seems like it should carry up to 400t of freight 11:13:47 <andythenorth> we can go with real, or we can just guess ;) 11:13:57 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: 3.5t is way too much. The max. allowed weight for most cars is <= 2t 11:14:09 <planetmaker> and that's incl. all, passengers and luggage 11:14:39 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no car here to check... 11:15:23 <Eddi|zuHause> i guess the original ratio 4pass=2mail=1good is pretty much ok 11:15:52 <Eddi|zuHause> er... 1 other cargo 11:16:25 <planetmaker> my car has 1560kg 11:16:35 <planetmaker> as max weight 11:17:10 <planetmaker> though it's not a big one for sure 11:17:25 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i think people don't realize how easy it is to overload a car 11:17:33 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: I agree fully 11:17:41 <planetmaker> it's often done and easily done 11:18:01 <planetmaker> I guess also I did it already. 11:19:21 <planetmaker> with more than 460kg I'd already do that 11:19:29 <planetmaker> easily done, if you add 4 persons and luggage 11:20:08 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: it's more like "either 2 persons+luggage or 4 persons" 11:20:45 <planetmaker> well... 4*80 = 320 - and 20kg luggage per person. So it's not that bad. But yeah 11:21:03 <planetmaker> But then space becomes an issue ;-) 11:21:40 <planetmaker> I wouldn't want to sit anyway on the seat behind the driver's seat, if I drive :-P 11:21:49 <Eddi|zuHause> :) 11:22:06 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 11:22:16 <Eddi|zuHause> it's difficult to drive from the back seat anyway :p 11:22:40 <planetmaker> lol ;-) 11:22:53 <planetmaker> Just watch James Bond. He can do that 11:36:00 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-143-86.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 11:40:02 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.62] has joined #openttd 11:47:10 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r18414 /trunk/src/depot_gui.cpp: -Fix: In the depot window, 'free' wagons were not drawn resize.step_height apart 11:47:44 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:48:00 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.19.99.126] has joined #openttd 11:52:58 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@89.246.161.78] has joined #openttd 11:53:42 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B38AA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:53:57 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 11:54:04 *** andythenorth [~andy@host81-155-149-33.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 11:55:57 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B192E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:56:00 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 12:06:01 *** andythenorth [~andy@host81-155-149-33.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:06:13 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 12:13:10 *** andythenorth [~andy@host81-155-149-33.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 12:15:16 <petern> hmm, multicargo ships'd be nice 12:16:35 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, also multicargo wagons... 12:16:45 *** Guest363 is now known as Ammler 12:16:58 <SmatZ> multicargo everything 12:18:31 <petern> also canal tunnels 12:19:33 *** andythenorth [~andy@host81-155-149-33.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:19:49 <petern> with presumably a vehicle flag to stop massive oil tankers using a tunnel designed for a canal barge... 12:20:30 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:21:19 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B192E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Icebears are cute. Please, take care of them!] 12:21:53 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B192E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:21:56 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 12:25:12 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 12:25:59 <andythenorth> petern: my ships are already clipping bridges quite horribly :( might as well clip the tunnels too :) 12:27:03 *** LordAzamath [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]] 12:27:10 <andythenorth> and yes, multi-cargo ships would be nice, although then I'd have to rebalance my set :( 12:27:13 <Eddi|zuHause> petern: 1/2 tile and 2-tile wide ships :) 12:27:29 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 12:27:42 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: that just depends how wide the graphics are drawn 12:28:06 *** LordAzamath [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 12:28:23 *** Timitry_ [~Tim@p5DE8EDA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:28:24 <Eddi|zuHause> no, when you also have ship-collisions, you need a properly wide canal. 12:28:37 *** Timitry_ [~Tim@p5DE8EDA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 12:28:47 <Eddi|zuHause> i.e. rivers would only be useful to run 1/2 tile ships 12:28:51 <Eddi|zuHause> in two directions 12:29:28 <Eddi|zuHause> 1 tile would be ocean ships, and 2 tiles would be mega tankers 12:31:11 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 12:31:15 <andythenorth> ...but we don't have ship-collisions :P 12:33:04 <Eddi|zuHause> ... yet 12:33:12 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 12:37:45 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:37:46 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dba9fb9.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:37:49 <andythenorth> ...nor do we have ship smoke, articulated ships, multi-cargo ships, or ships that travel at different speeds inland or at see :) 12:38:04 <andythenorth> sea /s 12:39:48 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@77-100-66-19.cable.ubr30.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:42:54 *** xi23 [~xi@ip-85-160-105-65.eurotel.cz] has joined #openttd 12:49:23 *** Mrkva [~Mrkva@94.127.132.59] has joined #openttd 12:49:29 <Mrkva> hi 12:49:40 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: we also don't have rivers that make ships go slower upstream 12:50:00 <petern> Eddi|zuHause, newflowingrivers! 12:50:21 <Mrkva> it's maybe a little bit offtopic, but can anyone recommend me an ECS compatible ship and plane set? 12:50:24 <Mrkva> thanks 12:50:26 <planetmaker> new<anything>! 12:50:38 <planetmaker> fish and WAS @ Mrkva 12:50:50 <planetmaker> not sure about WAS, though 12:51:03 <planetmaker> and no, not quite off topic 12:51:04 *** George3 is now known as George 12:51:51 <Eddi|zuHause> not nearly as off-topic as some of the on-topic discussions ;) 12:51:57 <planetmaker> :-) 12:53:19 <planetmaker> Mrkva: on the other hand: I guess _any_ plane set will do. You don't want to transport coal by plane anyway. 12:53:54 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:53:58 <Rubidium> planetmaker: but I want to fuel via an airplane as that's done in real life too! 12:54:09 <Rubidium> +transport 12:54:10 <planetmaker> :-D 12:55:00 <planetmaker> Then we need more of those avanger class vehicles. And more submarines 12:58:17 <andythenorth> planetmaker: hmmm....submarines for FISH :P 12:58:37 <andythenorth> we could add a cargo to FIRS: 'illegal drugs' 12:58:39 <planetmaker> haha :-) Might be an idea... Just for fun 12:58:43 <andythenorth> 'commandos' 12:58:46 <andythenorth> 'spies' 12:58:52 <planetmaker> Like capacity "6 people" 12:58:58 <planetmaker> Speed: <10km/h 12:59:03 <andythenorth> plus, it would be *really* easy to draw :) 12:59:04 <planetmaker> for tourists 12:59:21 <planetmaker> :-) 12:59:43 <planetmaker> add it via grf parameter. As Easter egg. Undocumented ;-) 13:00:28 <planetmaker> hg ci -m "Fix: Loading sprites of some PAX ferries" 13:00:30 <planetmaker> or so 13:03:01 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 13:03:10 <Mrkva> planetmaker: well.. I need only some ships for the fishes, right? 13:03:43 <planetmaker> Mrkva: "fish" is not only a cargo, it's also the name of a ship set ;-) 13:03:49 <Eddi|zuHause> fish and ships... 13:04:19 <Belugas> and bear 13:04:46 <Mrkva> planetmaker: wow 13:05:00 <planetmaker> bear steak and as a primer salmon in mint sauce? 13:05:36 *** kieran491 [~k@c114-77-12-55.brasd3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has left #openttd [] 13:06:12 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: sounds like a typical english meal :p 13:06:26 <Rubidium> no beluga? 13:07:11 <Belugas> beluga 'n chips 13:07:16 <Belugas> 'n beer 13:07:17 <planetmaker> :-P 13:07:29 <planetmaker> cheers! 13:07:36 <Mrkva> planetmaker: works, thanks! 13:07:37 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dba9fb9.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:07:38 <planetmaker> (No, this is not off topic :-P ) 13:08:03 <planetmaker> you're welcome, Mrkva 13:13:58 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.19.99.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:14:03 <andythenorth> Mrkva: let me know how you get on with FISH...I'm looking for feedback on the set :) 13:15:39 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@89.246.161.78] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:17:20 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFB1FB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:19:35 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:ac51:a52c:4771:baa7] has joined #openttd 13:19:39 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:27:00 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@89.246.161.78] has joined #openttd 13:34:24 *** LordAzamath [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]] 13:36:58 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:4e33:71f0:1:386b:62cb:716a:799c] has joined #openttd 13:42:05 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:43:04 <Mrkva> andythenorth: of course 13:55:42 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest405 13:55:43 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-72-99.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 13:55:43 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 13:57:14 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:00:18 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@89.246.161.78] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:02:33 *** Guest405 [~Dale@c-98-223-231-179.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:06:07 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:12:01 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.119.136] has joined #openttd 14:24:27 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejc77.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 14:47:31 *** welshdragon_MB [~welshdrag@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 14:49:18 *** xi23 [~xi@ip-85-160-105-65.eurotel.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:51:51 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:57:34 *** Mrkva [~Mrkva@94.127.132.59] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:59:10 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f58f4.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:01:44 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 15:04:15 *** Scorpio-BRZ [RobertoBru@187.90.139.90] has joined #openttd 15:05:44 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 15:06:07 <Scorpio-BRZ> hi for all..anyone can help me ? 15:06:16 *** ecke [~ecke@88.86.107.135] has joined #openttd 15:07:23 <Scorpio-BRZ> How I can have trais when I started game on 1900 year ? 15:07:57 *** Timitry_ [~Tim@p5DE8EDA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:08:28 <Forked> the first (default) train is available around 1924 iirc.. if you're playing earlier than that you need a NewGRF with other trains 15:08:42 *** Timitry_ [~Tim@p5DE8EDA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 15:09:15 <Scorpio-BRZ> ok..tks can you indicate on GRF ? 15:09:24 <Scorpio-BRZ> ok..tks can you indicate one GRF ? 15:09:33 <Forked> No, sorry. check out the forum or grfcrawler 15:09:51 <Scorpio-BRZ> ok..thank you 15:10:40 <Scorpio-BRZ> bye 15:10:57 *** Scorpio-BRZ [RobertoBru@187.90.139.90] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 15:26:21 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-98-223-99-209.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:26:22 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest418 15:26:22 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 15:29:51 *** welshdragon_MB [~welshdrag@147.143.254.214] has quit [Quit: welshdragon_MB] 15:32:09 *** Guest418 [~Dale@pool-71-98-72-99.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:32:13 *** Alberth is now known as Guest419 15:35:58 *** Guest419 [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:38:15 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:05:59 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@mozart.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Bye - http.//dev.openttdcoop.org] 16:05:59 *** Ammler [~ammler@mozart.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: gone...] 16:05:59 *** FooBar [~FooBar@mozart.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: make clean && exit - http.//dev.openttdcoop.org] 16:06:42 *** FooBar [~FooBar@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 16:07:42 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 16:07:42 *** Ammler [~ammler@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 16:07:45 *** Ammler is now known as Guest425 16:14:26 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18415 /trunk/src/town_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#3332]: on slopes the original and better road layouts did not check their minimum distance requirements 16:14:52 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFB1FB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 2.0.0.20/2008121709]] 16:15:10 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFB1FB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:15:14 <Muxy> @seen fugas 16:15:14 <DorpsGek> Muxy: fugas was last seen in #openttd 16 hours, 46 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <Fugas> I have IRC bridge too, but not enough people to check it 24/7 16:16:10 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r18416 /trunk/src/town_gui.cpp: -Fix (r15559): Only consider valid cargos in town GUI. 16:16:14 *** Luukland [~Hassan@s559031d6.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:16:33 *** Luukland [~Hassan@s559031d6.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [] 16:19:10 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 16:23:59 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFB1FB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:25:08 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:42:21 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 16:42:57 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:44:10 *** tdev [~tdev@p508EE307.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:44:25 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D94D3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:44:28 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:ac51:a52c:4771:baa7] has quit [Quit: bye] 16:46:25 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CE51.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:48:38 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.233.116] has quit [Quit: Desu isn't funny. 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Shouldn't the depot speed also be increased by same factor as corner speeds etc? 17:26:19 <Rubidium> ever seen a train entering a depot at 200 km/h? 17:26:47 <Phantasm> Ever seen depot size of 2 cars eating a train of 20 cars? ;P 17:27:12 <Phantasm> And as for that, how come can 1950 train enter depot at 61 km/h while maglev can only enter it at 61 km/h? 17:27:22 <Eddi|zuHause> Phantasm: what's the speed for formula 1 cars to go into the box? 17:27:40 <Phantasm> Huh? 17:27:55 <Eddi|zuHause> Phantasm: they don't do that at 300km/h either 17:28:30 *** FooBar [~FooBar@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: make clean && exit - http.//dev.openttdcoop.org] 17:28:30 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Bye - http.//dev.openttdcoop.org] 17:28:30 *** Ammler [~ammler@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: gone...] 17:28:32 *** worldemar2 [~woldemar@188.122.243.231] has joined #openttd 17:28:32 *** worldemar2 [~woldemar@188.122.243.231] has quit [] 17:28:40 <Phantasm> Either steam trains (and early diesel ones as well) should have significantly lower depot speed or monorail and maglev ones should have higher. 17:29:06 <Eddi|zuHause> Phantasm: you are missing the point. 17:29:11 <Phantasm> Anyway, as of currently on any reasonably designed maglev route you need to have insane depot system to not make depots the problem. 17:29:51 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't see where the problem is... people are wanting more complex depots all the time... 17:30:00 <Phantasm> In real life the depot areas are much bigger sure, but so is the rail length compared to train length... But in real life depots are not the bottleneck of a route unless you have 20 depots at a place. 17:30:31 <Phantasm> It would be nice to have some way to make a suitable depot system without eating eons of time to make it. 17:30:31 *** FooBar [~FooBar@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 17:31:02 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@72.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 17:31:32 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 17:31:38 *** Ammler [~ammler@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 17:31:41 <Phantasm> And as for the using exactly same speed limit for all trains on entering depot... It is very unrealistic as there must be some amount of technical development there and in reality has been. The trains of now do enter depots faster than trains of 60 years back. 17:32:14 <Phantasm> Especially with mammoth trains, which are also used in real life, the depot problem is insane. A single train can enter and exit from depot for few months. 17:33:15 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@72.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 17:33:15 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 17:34:07 <Eddi|zuHause> you are talking around the real problem 17:34:26 <Eddi|zuHause> in "real life", the whole mammoth train wouldn't go into the depot 17:34:48 <Eddi|zuHause> it would disconnect the engines, replace them with other engines, and the original engines would go into the depot 17:35:11 <Eddi|zuHause> where it doesn't matter anymore how fast they go, because the train service is not interrupted at all 17:36:22 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 17:36:57 <Phantasm> Well, in any case, there is a problem. a pair of tracks (one for each direction) can hail 15 000 items a month with maglevs just fine, but you need some 6 tracks of depots (with rails of the length of train to both directions from the depot) every once in a while for each side. So 6 times the tracks for depots than for trains travelling. 17:38:03 <Phantasm> And if you make better system with path signals utilizing 2 tracks per direction, allowing for bypassing breakdowning trains as well as dual normal capacity, you get about 3 times the capasity. That is around 18 tracks of depots for pair of tracks. 17:38:57 <planetmaker> you still miss the point IMO: Depots are and never will be entered at cruising speed :-) 17:39:22 *** xi23 [~xi@78.110.223.65] has joined #openttd 17:39:23 <Phantasm> Not at cruising speed. But the current system is just plain idiotic. 17:39:27 <planetmaker> Or how is the speed different to park a Fiat 500 in a garage as opposed to a Bugatti? 17:39:59 <Phantasm> Either change depot system totally or fix the problem temporarily by changing depot entering speed.. 17:40:12 <planetmaker> I disagree with both :-) 17:40:14 <Phantasm> planetmaker: A car of 1900 was parked a much slower than a car of today. 17:40:19 <Rubidium> with a Bugatti you crash at 400km/h into the garage, with a Fiat 500 you won't reach the garage before it rusts 17:40:26 <Phantasm> :) 17:40:30 <planetmaker> loool @ Rubidium :-) 17:41:22 <Phantasm> Anyway, it is a pain in the ass to make a hell of a bit complex of 18x40 squares to get proper servicing for trains going through 2 tracks. And do those every once in a while because trains have to get service so often or they breakdown too much. 17:42:12 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:43:57 <Phantasm> And as for depot entering speed... Sure a train can technically enter a depot track and stop on it as it would on station.. ;P 17:44:33 <Phantasm> The lower speeds are just generally for safety reasons concerning staff hanging around etc.. But those can be dealth with given the need. 17:45:15 <Eddi|zuHause> Phantasm: if you lead trains through two tracks per direction, you deserve to have to build a huge depot complex... 17:46:37 <Phantasm> I don't want to make a freaking 36 (18 per side) tracks route when I can do with just 4 (2 per side) tracks. 17:47:34 <Phantasm> And with the system generally wanting specific depots and not allowing for them to go to one available the easiest. 17:48:31 <Phantasm> Eg. I can't make 3 tracks wide path with one dedicated to only having depots all the time allowing trains to go to them when needed without interrupting the 2 main tracks' traffic. 17:49:11 <Phantasm> The only option is to make it some 18 tracks wide with every track having a depot. Otherwise half the trains pass without going to any depot and everything goes bad. 17:50:26 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.243.231] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:51:33 <Phantasm> A single service track with depots 18 times more often would do just fine and be very easy to set. But those 18 tracks wide depot complexes are just a freaking pain in the ass to make. There just isn't any way to make efficient track system without using a few years of time to build pure depots for it, when with proper pathing or other realistic fixes, it could be done in a month. 17:54:56 <Aali> maybe you should just disable servicing? 17:55:06 <planetmaker> I guess you build something wrong then, if a depot per track need more space than just one 2*trainlength+5 or so 17:55:09 <Rubidium> just disable breakdowns and servicing; those breakdowns happen unrealistically often too 17:56:49 <Phantasm> planetmaker: The length yes, but the problem is with long trains.. If I want to service each train that can travel through 2 pais of tracks, I need 18 tracks of depots to have it with maglevs. Just because it takes so long for trains to enter and exit the depot. 17:57:25 <Phantasm> Yes disabling breakdowns and servicing is one option.. But very unrealistic one. 17:57:50 <Aali> breakdowns and servicing is already very unrealistic 17:57:54 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dba9fb9.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:58:05 <Phantasm> Yes, but none at all is even more so. 17:58:46 <Phantasm> I'm just saying there is a significant problem with those, especially with faster trains, that would be nice to get fixed in some way or another for those who want to make more realistic tracks. 18:00:23 <Aali> on the other hand, it's quite silly to argue about realism when you're building 4-track wide 600km/h maglev superhighways 18:02:32 <Phantasm> I'm sure it is very realistic on places where there is hell of a lot of goods to transport. 18:03:36 <Phantasm> Even at a small country like Finland, the railroad has like 10 tracks near the main station and some 20 or so tracks of station area. Of course depots elsewhere to add. 18:03:48 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 18:06:03 <Phantasm> Considering a place 30 years from now with some nice living area with loads of people living and then another area they go to work with a 600 km/h maglevs. With such fast trains, it is very reasonable to assume such areas can form. The industrial zone and the living zone can just fine be 100 km apart and still all it takes is 15 minutes in one direction (including 5 minutes of excess time from loading train, lower speed near station, accelerating and same ... 18:06:10 <Phantasm> ... reversed).. 18:06:35 <Phantasm> Especially in china and other developing countries where the isn't yet so well built areas, such things can easily form. 18:07:04 <Phantasm> And there can be slower trains (or subways) to feed the main maglev track stations with passengers. 18:07:41 *** worldemar [~woldemar@62.106.105.115] has joined #openttd 18:09:24 *** George34 [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 18:10:40 *** George35 [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 18:10:49 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:11:19 <Eddi|zuHause> invasion of the Georges 18:13:08 *** welshdragon [~mjones@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 18:16:23 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:16:41 *** LadyHawk [~here@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:17:29 *** George34 [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:18:20 *** |Terkhen| [~Terkhen@72.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 18:20:36 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFB1FB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:20:59 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@72.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:24:59 *** |Terkhen| is now known as Terkhen 18:40:12 *** Sacro_ [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:40:15 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 18:45:40 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r18417 /trunk/src/lang/ (7 files): (log message trimmed) 18:45:40 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:40 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: traditional_chinese - 31 changes by josesun 18:45:40 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: czech - 46 changes by Hadez 18:45:40 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: greek - 1 changes by fumantsu 18:45:41 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: hungarian - 2 changes by IPG 18:45:41 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: indonesian - 1 changes by prof 19:08:48 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:14:32 *** LadyHawk [~here@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:16:16 *** nicfer [~usuario@190.50.25.110] has joined #openttd 19:58:52 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:14:05 <fjb> Does the road repair have any effect beside being annoying? 20:16:14 <Rubidium> in some situations it might clean up unneeded road bits 20:16:16 <Alberth> it tends to nicely disrupt your bus services afaik 20:16:30 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejc77.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 20:17:20 <fjb> Thank you. 20:17:35 <fjb> Alberth: I count that as annoying. :-) 20:17:38 <glx> that's why I don't do it in towns I serve :) 20:20:21 <fjb> I had some money to spend. So I tried it in a town where the ai is more present than me. 20:22:35 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18418 /trunk/src/ (ai/ai_info.cpp ai/ai_info.hpp script/script_info.hpp): -Fix [FS#3298]: under some circumstances a pointer could be left untouched and then freed. Make sure this doesn't happen by ensuring it starts out as NULL instead of 'garbage'. 20:26:04 *** sparr [~kvirc@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:29:26 <sparr> I am happily stumped at being unable to work on my previously mentioned resolution problem in Linux... because Linux actually enumerates all of the video modes that my video card and display support. 20:39:07 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B192E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Icebears are cute. Please, take care of them!] 20:40:29 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008103100]] 20:42:25 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B192E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:42:28 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 20:45:51 <Eddi|zuHause> ... so what exactly are you trying to tell us? 20:50:32 <TrueBrain> that he is good in not telling what he wants to tell 20:51:27 <nicfer> hi 20:55:34 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:58:08 <fjb> Moin nicfer 20:58:19 <Forked> if thats what he wants to tell then he is good at it.. and that again means he failed to not be good at it and then the universe imploded 20:58:44 <fjb> Hm, dbset really lacks some branch line engines. 21:00:56 <planetmaker> you know... there's a version 0.9 in the pipeline 21:01:18 <planetmaker> Unfortunately it's bundled with Duke Nukem Forever 21:01:36 <fjb> Yeah, I know. 21:02:17 <andythenorth> meanwhile....I'm about to ship something...almost literally :P 21:02:29 <fjb> And the announced features are already looking old compared to Pikka's sets. 21:02:41 <fjb> Your ships are great. 21:04:49 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76C98.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:05:47 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76C98.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:05:53 <fjb> I'm trying the German road vehicles set in my actual game. Sad thing is that it dislikes any other road vehicle sets beside the hover craft bus. So nor HEQS in this game. :-( 21:07:38 <fjb> But I doubt that dbsel 0.9 will have more branch line engines. 21:08:01 <andythenorth> what's the issue with German RVs and HEQS? :) 21:09:09 <frosch123> http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/advertise.png <- using fish to shamelessly advertise my own stuff :p 21:09:50 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: that's what the "allow multiple vehicle sets" switch was invented for 21:11:14 <andythenorth> frosch123: what is TTDViewer? 21:11:20 <fjb> Yes, but Pikka's British or American engines look very diferent. 21:11:39 <frosch123> andythenorth: hmm, it displays ttd stuff 21:11:57 <andythenorth> :P 21:12:25 <frosch123> well, but you can select nice stuff on the right to make the left stuff look different 21:13:09 <frosch123> btw. the ship is blinking in the likely old version i checked out 21:15:09 <andythenorth> ! 21:15:15 <andythenorth> oh 21:16:25 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76C98.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:16:48 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76C98.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:17:52 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 21:18:38 <Coco-Banana-Man> löl @The IT-Crowd 21:18:47 <Coco-Banana-Man> die spielen Guitar Hero ^^ 21:19:07 <frosch123> Coco-Banana-Man: wrong channel 21:22:46 <frosch123> andythenorth: http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/TTDViewer.zip in case you want to play, but beware it is not polished at all and it is no pony. it cannot even load pcx, only png :p (i.e. no release state) 21:23:00 <Coco-Banana-Man> oops.. yeah.. sorry ^^ 21:25:43 <Coco-Banana-Man> I think I'm somehow quite confused today. 21:27:17 <frosch123> yeah, and i am annoyed. it is long ago since i felt that old as when i just read "l?l" 21:27:19 <frosch123> :p 21:30:44 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest459 21:30:45 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-72-99.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 21:32:34 <andythenorth> my ship shipped, so....goodnight 21:33:07 *** andythenorth [~andy@host81-155-149-33.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has left #openttd [] 21:35:50 <nicfer> hmmm is there any plan to enhance map generation? because it usually places two or more cities together and leave big gaps without any of these 21:36:11 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76C98.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:36:30 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76C98.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:36:38 *** Guest459 [~Dale@c-98-223-99-209.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:36:59 <frosch123> nicfer: no, because everyone thinks different about "good" maps 21:37:48 <frosch123> you are the first one, who wants evenly distributed towns independent of terrain 21:38:59 <Rubidium> again someone who thinks random means evenly spaced? 21:40:43 <planetmaker> [22:09] <frosch123> http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/advertise.png <- using fish to shamelessly advertise my own stuff :p <-- :-O 21:41:44 * Rubidium would have expected another kind of comment 21:42:26 <planetmaker> Was my way of "nice" :-) 21:43:02 <planetmaker> or maybe "want to have" rather :-) 21:43:13 <Rubidium> planetmaker: then download it 21:43:21 <planetmaker> just did 21:43:32 <frosch123> hehe, though i guess it is a little late to help ogfx :) looks like you figured out the recolour stuff 21:43:54 <planetmaker> well... the source code is a good guideline :-P 21:44:15 <planetmaker> doesn't mean I know which colours exactly are re-coloured for the other then CC cases 21:44:59 <frosch123> oh, in that case: the tool consistently uses the more sane dos palette, but can convert on load 21:45:58 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Utm Aœ - Aja 35] 21:46:08 <planetmaker> :-) Wow. Looks pretty cool 21:46:53 <frosch123> he, looks like that is my chance :) i wondered about using mercurial for it, but need some place to host it 21:47:33 <Rubidium> http://hg.openttd.org/ ? 21:47:51 <frosch123> isn't that more for ottd branches? 21:47:59 <planetmaker> frosch123: we surely have space :-) 21:48:32 <Rubidium> frosch123: it's something useful for people making content for TTD, right? 21:49:02 <planetmaker> :-) Like catcodec... 21:49:17 <Rubidium> or pngcodec for that matter 21:49:22 <frosch123> but, would other than ottd devs get push access to it? 21:49:48 <Rubidium> frosch123: unlikely until a massive rework of the server infrastructure is done 21:49:51 <frosch123> currently there is no "external stuff" 21:51:05 <planetmaker> hm... I started the jar file, I get the window and the interface, but nothing happens when I select a pcx file to load... 21:51:24 <planetmaker> something obvious I miss? 21:51:36 <frosch123> yes, my disclaimer above 21:51:57 <frosch123> "but beware it is not polished at all and it is no pony. it cannot even load pcx, only png :p (i.e. no release state)" 21:51:59 <Xaroth> [frosch123]: andythenorth: http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/TTDViewer.zip in case you want to play, but beware it is not polished at all and it is no pony. it cannot even load pcx, only png :p (i.e. no release state) 21:52:17 <Xaroth> gah, frosch was 2 seconds faster :P 21:52:21 <frosch123> it can only load, what java knows 21:52:24 <planetmaker> oh :-) Indeed I missed it. Ty 21:52:37 <frosch123> and which has a indexed palette 21:52:49 <planetmaker> Well, easy to do. 21:53:18 <frosch123> i guess i will add a home-brewed pcx loader to it 21:53:27 <planetmaker> so... shall I add a project to the DevZone? 21:53:34 <planetmaker> and make you manager of it? 21:54:14 <frosch123> yes, would be nice. though i doubt i get it into a acceptable form until end of the week 21:54:20 <frosch123> thanks anyway :) 21:54:38 <planetmaker> well, once you're manager it's up to you to fill it with life :-P 21:55:02 <planetmaker> are you registered at the devzone? 21:55:25 <sparr> Eddi|zuHause: to the few people who tried to help with my resolution problem in Windows, to whom I mentioned I would try fixing the problem in Linux, I am trying to convey the further information that I cannot do so because Linux is too awesome 21:58:29 <frosch123> planetmaker: now, yes :) 21:59:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76C98.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:59:14 <planetmaker> frosch123: I'll need your public key as well 21:59:21 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76C98.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:01:27 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:02:44 <planetmaker> frosch123: pastebin or alike might do 22:04:32 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18419 /branches/ (custombridgeheads/ gamebalance/): [Several] -Remove some obsolete and (thus) stale branches. 22:04:56 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest463 22:04:56 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-99-209.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:05:04 <frosch123> "several" :p 22:05:45 <planetmaker> frosch123: you might want to try whether your key works. I created an empty repo: 22:06:16 <frosch123> thanks, but i guess i am going to take some sleep first :) 22:06:25 <Rubidium> night frosch123 :) 22:06:26 <planetmaker> ssh://ottdc@mz.openttdcoop.org/hg-repos/ttdviewer 22:06:31 <planetmaker> or good night :-) 22:06:37 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@77-100-66-19.cable.ubr30.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]] 22:06:52 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76C98.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:07:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76C98.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:07:28 <frosch123> night 22:07:33 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f58f4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:11:13 *** Guest463 [~Dale@pool-71-98-72-99.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:12:44 <sparr> does it matter whether a station has complete coverage vs just one square of overlap with the desired location? 22:12:44 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:13:07 <Rubidium> depends on the situation 22:13:25 <Rubidium> some industries only accept something/produce something on particular tiles 22:14:40 <Rubidium> use the query tool to see what's accepted 22:14:41 <planetmaker> you can easily check. The station tells you what it accepts and provides. 22:15:50 <sparr> so a long as it accepts/provides something, it does so for all of it? 22:15:56 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D94D3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Die Nützlichkeit der Götter war schon immer eine zweifelhafte Sache. Man wusste nie so genau, wie man sie wirksam einsetzen konnte, ohne dass sie gleich b] 22:16:13 <Eddi|zuHause> last time i checked, the "provided" part is only told by the station build window, not by the station window 22:16:17 *** nicfer [~usuario@190.50.25.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:16:20 <sparr> that is, if a coal mine produces coal on all of its tiles, i can get all of the production with coverage of just one of those tiles? 22:16:25 <planetmaker> you're right, Eddi|zuHause 22:16:35 <planetmaker> sparr: yes 22:17:11 <sparr> thanks 22:17:20 <xi23> Rubidium bc industry is taken as rectangle you can even take cargo from emty tile:) 22:17:32 <sparr> Been a long time since I played TTD or OpenTTD, re-evaluating some of my assumptions, coming at it as a newbie :) 22:17:32 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 22:17:53 <planetmaker> xi23: hu? 22:19:28 <xi23> if you have oil wells like: 22:19:30 <xi23> oox 22:19:30 <xi23> xox 22:19:30 <xi23> xoo 22:20:18 <Eddi|zuHause> hm the cats are dangerously close to the keyboard 22:20:31 <xi23> o is oil, x is emty tile. you can get oil from x tiles:) 22:20:37 <sparr> is there a good explanation of how passenger and mail availability works? it seems random to me, sometimes i have stations accepting passengers in the middle of nowhere 22:20:47 *** Chrill [~chrischri@80.216.60.117] has joined #openttd 22:21:51 <planetmaker> sparr: some industries accept PAX 22:21:52 <Rubidium> tiles can accept anywhere between 0/8 to 8/8. If the sum of the tile acceptance within a station's coverage area is >= 8/8 the cargo is accepted 22:22:09 <Rubidium> and as planetmaker says... some industry (tiles) accept passengers 22:22:26 <Rubidium> e.g. some steel mill tiles accept 1/8 passengers 22:22:47 <sparr> so if there are 8 of them, then the station accepts passengers? 22:22:56 <Rubidium> so if you have enough of those tiles in your coverage area it's accepted by the station 22:22:59 <Rubidium> yes 22:25:56 <sparr> good to know 22:26:04 <sparr> learning a lot from the wiki and here 22:26:11 <sparr> maybe do better than break even on my next game :) 22:28:26 <planetmaker> money is no issue 22:28:52 <planetmaker> either: start with a long distance plane service - and then do whatever you like 22:29:20 <sparr> are there any options or graphics packs that make the graphics in the game *larger*? i have bad eyesight, so i mostly have to play at a lower resolution, but i'd prefer to just have larger graphics at full resolution 22:29:30 <planetmaker> or: build a coal (oil in tropical) network. Initially one line which you can just afford (incl. trains) from one or two primaries to their secondary industry 22:29:54 <planetmaker> there is no such graphics extension - by default. 22:30:13 <sparr> how about not-default? 22:30:16 *** welshdragon [~mjones@147.143.254.214] has quit [Quit: orudge smells] 22:30:19 <planetmaker> There's a mostly experimental patch for zoom 32bpp graphics. But personally I don't recommend it 22:30:20 *** welshdragon_MB [~welshdrag@147.143.254.214] has quit [Quit: welshdragon_MB] 22:30:44 <sparr> right now my biggest problem is that even with larger pixels, signal types are still hard to discern 22:30:58 <planetmaker> just use a different signal newgrf 22:31:35 <planetmaker> or use semaphores :-P - but I cannot discern those 22:32:52 <sparr> can you recommend one? 22:35:37 <planetmaker> not really. I think there are Dutch, German and Japanese around (either separate or along with tracks / infrastucture) 22:35:56 <planetmaker> probably also British somewhere 22:39:44 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:40:09 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 22:44:10 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 22:44:22 <fjb> What is the best way to increment a void pointer? 22:45:00 <SmatZ> hmm ptr++ doesn't work? 22:45:43 <fjb> It gives a warning that a void pointer is used in arithmetic. 22:46:11 <SmatZ> not in C 22:46:27 <fjb> gcc does in C. 22:46:39 <SmatZ> ah it does 22:46:43 <SmatZ> with -pedantic 22:47:28 <SmatZ> -Wno-pointer-arith :-p 22:47:54 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [] 22:47:55 <SmatZ> iirc, "void *" has the same granularity and alignment requirements as "char *" 22:48:01 <fjb> And does ptr++ increment ptr by one byte and ptr += 2 increment ptr by 2 bytes in all cases? 22:48:02 <SmatZ> (from C specs) 22:48:31 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-72-99.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 22:48:32 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest472 22:48:32 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 22:49:56 <fjb> Or I cast it before I increment it. 22:50:09 <SmatZ> so yes, it should behave the same as if it were pointer to char 22:50:22 <SmatZ> I can't find the relevant part of standard now though 22:53:30 <fjb> ((uint8_t *)tx_data)++ is not working... 22:53:54 *** Guest472 [~Dale@c-98-223-99-209.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:55:37 <SmatZ> guess you are increasing temporal variable 22:55:46 <SmatZ> or how should that be called :) 22:55:55 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@29.155.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 22:56:18 <SmatZ> eg. as if you did 22:56:25 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest474 22:56:25 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-98-223-99-209.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:56:25 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 22:56:36 <SmatZ> uint8 *x = (uint8 *)tx_data 22:56:37 <SmatZ> x++ 22:56:45 <SmatZ> but didn't store it back to tx_data 22:56:45 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 540 seconds] 22:57:33 <SmatZ> or 22:57:41 <SmatZ> even ... uint8 * const x 22:57:52 <SmatZ> does it warn that you are modifying read-only variable? 22:58:27 <Fast2> I moved an order accidentally. How to get it back? 22:58:46 <Sacro> move it back 22:58:55 <SmatZ> there's no "undo" 22:59:08 <fjb> No, it doesn't compile, telling me that ((uint8_t *)tx_data) is no lvalue. 22:59:12 <Fast2> I didn't find anything related in "orders" or the "hidden features" sections of the wiki 22:59:19 <SmatZ> fjb: yeah, or that :) 22:59:25 <Fast2> I don't know how to move orders 22:59:33 <SmatZ> Fast2: drag&drop 22:59:35 <SmatZ> or 22:59:37 <SmatZ> select order 22:59:40 <SmatZ> make new order 22:59:49 <SmatZ> new order will be inserted before selected order 23:00:21 <Fast2> drag&drop doesn't work 23:00:29 <SmatZ> hmm it should 23:00:37 <fjb> Moving orders is just grepping the order with the mouse and drop it where it should go to. 23:00:49 <SmatZ> fjb: if you don't need to increase the variable, do just " + 1" instead of ++ 23:01:18 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 23:01:38 <fjb> SmatZ: I have to increase it by 1, 2 or 4 bytes, depending on something. 23:02:33 <Fast2> I click an order with the left mouse button, move the curser to the new position and release the mouse button 23:02:40 <fjb> I will just write ptr +=1 etc and live with the warnung. 23:02:51 <fjb> Fast2: Yes. 23:02:53 *** Guest474 [~Dale@pool-71-98-72-99.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:03:03 <Fast2> But the order doesn't move 23:03:21 <SmatZ> fjb: you can just leave it "void *" 23:03:24 <SmatZ> and do 23:03:40 <SmatZ> (uint8 *)(ptr++) 23:04:06 <fjb> Fast2: It moves after releasing the mouse button. 23:04:25 <Fast2> fjb: There's happening noting 23:05:25 <fjb> Fast2: You don't see the order move with the mouse pointer. You see the order jump to the new place after releasing the mouse button there. 23:06:22 <Fast2> Sometimes, if I try to move the last order ("End of orders" or how it's labeled in the englisch version), it tells me it can't move it. But only in one of ten cases. 23:06:25 <fjb> (uint8_t *)(ptr++) will increment it by 1 byte and (uint16_t *)(ptr++) will increase it by 2 bytes? 23:06:31 <Fast2> fjb: It doesn't jump 23:07:13 <fjb> Fast2: I just tried it. It is a bit tricky to just move it by one line. 23:07:21 <SmatZ> fjb: nope, both by 1 23:07:54 <Fast2> I did the same as I 'd done before, now it worked oO 23:08:25 <Fast2> Ok, thanks. 23:08:27 <fjb> Fast2: It is a bit tricky, as I said. 23:08:45 <fjb> SmatZ: C syntax is strange... 23:09:06 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:09:47 <fjb> Will *((uint16_t *)ptr) give me the 2 bytes that ptr is pointing at? 23:10:49 <Fast2> Yes, but now it works every time, it doesn't care to where I move it (if the position is not valid, I get the notification. That didn't happen before...) 23:11:25 <Fast2> Works :) 23:11:56 <fjb> Fast2: It's my magical influence. 23:12:06 <Fast2> I knew it! 23:13:31 <Fast2> It really feels like magic. I do it in the same way, but it works from one to another second (do you say it this way?) 23:14:09 <fjb> Fast2: Don't ask me about English. 23:14:37 <Fast2> Auch ein Deutscher? :) 23:14:48 <fjb> Yes. 23:15:44 <Fast2> So you should understand what I'm trying to express 23:16:02 <Fast2> Good night! 23:16:06 <fjb> I did. 23:16:16 <fjb> Night Fast2 23:16:25 <Fast2> ;) 23:17:16 * fjb is back at counting bytes. 23:19:29 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 23:20:38 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@29.155.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 23:22:51 *** XSlicer [~XSlicer@dhcp-095-096-066-172.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:24:29 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFB1FB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:25:44 *** XSlicer [~XSlicer@dhcp-095-096-066-172.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 23:29:21 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:32:40 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-71-233-208-32.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:34:52 <sparr> when two competing stations are pulling from the same production, what dictates how much goes to each station? 23:35:13 <PeterT> Station Rating 23:36:45 <Rubidium> ratings 23:37:10 <xi23> Rubidium can i ask question?:) 23:39:03 <sparr> when a train waits to leave the station, does the time it arrives or the time it leaves count as the 'last cargo pickup'? 23:39:15 <PeterT> xi23: I'm curious now... 23:39:17 *** Wheatbix [~tegal_85@115-64-156-58.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:40:24 <xi23> is there a reason that client langue is not send to server? 23:42:52 <Rubidium> xi23: probably, but I wouldn't know what the reason is (if it isn't send that is) 23:43:07 *** Wheatbix [~tegal_85@115-64-156-58.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:43:10 <Rubidium> sparr: neither; it's the last time it picked up (i.e. loaded) cargo 23:45:03 <sparr> ok, so a lot of trucks will earn a higher rating than one high-capacity train for the same route? 23:45:49 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 23:46:35 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@88.130.152.150] has joined #openttd 23:47:01 <Rubidium> not necessarily 23:47:02 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@88.130.152.150] has quit [] 23:47:52 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@88.130.152.150] has joined #openttd 23:48:30 <sparr> all else being equal 23:49:26 <Rubidium> well yes, but that's even regardless of whether last cargo pickup is based on arrival or departure because most of the time there will be no train at the station and there wll be a truck at a truck stop 23:49:34 <sparr> right 23:50:17 <xi23> reason is maybe that lang is not used in server:) but client send NETLANG_ANY and server saves it:) 23:50:28 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@88.130.152.150] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:50:32 <sparr> this explains why the AI always kicks my butt when he builds trucks to compete with my trains 23:50:49 <Rubidium> or the AI builds a statue 23:50:51 <sparr> even though the trains are more efficient to run, the trucks get a higher rating and thus more to deliver 23:51:14 <sparr> or I build a statue :) 23:52:07 <sparr> trucks > train + statue 23:52:10 <sparr> :( 23:53:15 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@88.130.152.150] has joined #openttd 23:57:47 <fjb> Build the train station a bit away from the industry and feed it with tucks.