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00:05:04 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Chicks dig it] 00:06:40 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CB44.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:07:03 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18513 /trunk/src/newgrf_industrytiles.cpp: -Fix [FS#3379]: sometimes NewGRFs throw invalid data at OpenTTD and that triggered a check... that if a has to be between b and c (inclusive) then c must be bigger than or equal to b (and definitely not smaller) 00:07:57 <Eddi|zuHause> what?! 00:09:09 <glx> if (b <= a <= c) then (a <= c) and not (c < a) 00:09:10 <Rubidium> some industry NewGRF told a building had 0 'construction' stages 00:10:00 <fjb> Green industries! They never get constructed. 00:10:02 <glx> hmm replace a with b after then :) 00:24:49 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc4-newt30-2-0-cust18.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:26:48 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 00:29:40 *** fjb is now known as Guest184 00:29:41 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F84A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:32:28 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B6F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:32:48 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77CDE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:34:57 *** lskdfj [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 00:34:57 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:35:02 *** lskdfj is now known as LadyHawk 00:36:28 *** Guest184 [~frank@p5485F959.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:49:13 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 01:14:51 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:5ce3:55e8:1:c0e8:fa75:f83f:24b8] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 01:18:59 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:22:55 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-211-40.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:40:45 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:41:33 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@88.130.172.150] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:41:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@88.130.172.150] has joined #openttd 01:57:33 *** KenjiE20|LT [~KenjiE20@host86-171-53-144.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 02:00:30 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [] 02:03:33 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.21.64.102] has quit [Quit: ????] 02:21:34 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F84A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:23:09 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8dfad.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:33:11 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 02:38:22 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 02:40:31 *** dlr365 [~dlr365@S010600248c02a7d3.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 03:07:31 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B2441.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:09:50 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B24BC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 03:09:53 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 03:10:38 *** KenjiE20|LT [~KenjiE20@host86-171-53-144.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:15:42 *** dxtr [~dxtr@dxtr.cc] has joined #openttd 03:16:32 *** lskdfj [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 03:18:02 *** dxtr [~dxtr@dxtr.cc] has quit [] 03:20:21 <Belugas> pom pom pom tweeeeet! 03:22:03 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:22:03 *** lskdfj is now known as LadyHawk 03:22:45 <Belugas> some people are really making me want to bite their heads off 03:23:09 <Belugas> oh... ys... most of the time, they are already headless 04:04:51 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 540 seconds] 04:11:27 <murr4y> ba-dam pish :D 04:38:04 *** weaselboy246 [risugami@72-173-0-26.cust.wildblue.net] has joined #openttd 04:46:49 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:3878:9e61:1204:f64f] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:25:49 <tokai> Belugas: Better don't; usually they grow back two heads then. :) 05:46:33 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B24BC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:48:49 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B12B3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:48:52 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 06:31:08 *** weaselboy246 [risugami@72-173-0-26.cust.wildblue.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:41:56 *** DJNekkid [~tmsmje@static128-249.adsl.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:48:27 *** lskdfj [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 06:53:56 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:53:57 *** lskdfj is now known as LadyHawk 07:00:45 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:06:27 *** DarkED2 [~J@cpe-069-132-093-098.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 07:06:27 *** DarkED [~J@cpe-069-132-093-098.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:30:07 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 07:43:52 *** dlr365 [~dlr365@S010600248c02a7d3.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:59:40 *** Goulp [~Goulp@nt2001.opsio.fr] has joined #openttd 08:01:43 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 08:05:06 <peter1138> oh yeah, dbsetxl is broken these days 08:27:31 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:33:01 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:57:31 <planetmaker> oh? 08:58:51 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 09:00:31 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc1691.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:00:38 * planetmaker must have missed the broken parts so far 09:00:51 * roboboy wonders if he will be able to mod OpenTTD in 21 days 09:01:42 * planetmaker can mod OpenTTD in the time it needs to open an editor 09:01:53 <planetmaker> and load one of the source files and save it. 09:01:57 <peter1138> planetmaker, many consists have way too much power 09:02:16 <peter1138> anything with powered wagons is broken 09:02:51 <planetmaker> hm... 09:03:36 <peter1138> ttdpatch had a bug which it relied on 09:03:41 * roboboy got one of those learn C++ in 21 days books 09:03:58 <peter1138> http://svn.ttdpatch.net/trac/changeset/1553 :) 09:04:10 <peter1138> so it's been broken in ttdpatch for over two years too 09:04:43 <planetmaker> haha :-) 09:07:30 <peter1138> maybe he doesn't know... 09:08:08 <planetmaker> he doesn't do mistakes :-P 09:08:34 <peter1138> not a mistake, just fixed well after dbsetxl was released 09:09:26 <planetmaker> given the age of DBXL it's easy to happen... 09:10:27 <planetmaker> can you give an example which is wrong? ICE doesn't look wrong to me... 09:11:27 <peter1138> which ice? 09:12:03 <planetmaker> ICE3 09:12:24 <peter1138> you are probably used to it ;) 09:12:30 <planetmaker> or was there a change in OpenTTD > 18461? 09:12:44 <peter1138> no 09:13:06 <planetmaker> hm... sure that those values are wrong? 20MW doesn't sound excessive 09:13:41 <planetmaker> (19040 horse powers) 09:14:34 <peter1138> check the readme :) 09:14:45 <peter1138> ice-3 should have 10880 HP 09:15:52 <planetmaker> ah... yes 09:16:10 <peter1138> same problem with the early EMUs 09:16:35 <peter1138> ET-87 has 1359HP instead of 680HP 09:16:42 <planetmaker> yup 09:17:13 <planetmaker> too much power seldom shows ;-) Too little would have been noticed way earlier ;-) 09:17:25 <peter1138> so indeed, maybe he doesn't know 09:17:32 <peter1138> it does make the set easier though 09:17:38 <planetmaker> indeed 09:17:54 <peter1138> the early EMUs ahve more power than the expensive electrics 09:18:00 <peter1138> so it's unbalanced 09:18:43 <peter1138> when i mentioned the inconsistency with patchman i assumed he'd change the wiki 09:18:52 <peter1138> but he fixed 'patch instead :) 09:20:30 <planetmaker> he... that's definitely a way to change the documentation 09:20:39 <planetmaker> s/change/fix/ 09:30:04 *** joachim [~joachim@244.81-166-176.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 09:31:30 <peter1138> bah, landscape generators suck :( 09:31:53 *** joachim_ [~joachim@244.81-166-176.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:32:30 *** Yexo [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 09:34:43 <peter1138> scenarios suck too 09:34:53 <peter1138> people have strange ideas about how rivers and mountains are formed 09:36:32 <planetmaker> the biggest draw-back of scenarios is IMO that it's not nicely possible to change vehicle, industry and town newgrfs 09:37:02 <planetmaker> e.g. a scenario designed two years ago, certainly would look nice with the updated and new newgrfs... 09:37:54 <planetmaker> a nice idea would be to have town sizes and industry locations defined, but not yet started as a new game - which is only done, if really loaded as playing game 09:38:15 <planetmaker> but then it breaks existing scenarios for sure... 09:38:23 <planetmaker> and is *a lot* of work to implement 09:43:06 <Xaroth> <@peter1138> people have strange ideas << fixed. 09:43:40 <Xaroth> planetmaker: why not just create a different format for that then :) 09:48:52 <peter1138> well 09:49:02 <planetmaker> Xaroth, that would make sense, somewhat, yes. 09:49:06 <peter1138> there used to be a distinction between playing and loading a scenario 09:49:13 <planetmaker> But then... the current scenarios could just be called savegames 09:49:18 <peter1138> one would start with the scenario's settings 09:49:24 <peter1138> the other would start with the player's settings 09:49:34 <peter1138> but that got removed 09:51:02 <planetmaker> well... it's still a savegame which starts with its parameters saved within it. 09:52:21 <peter1138> it is now 09:52:25 <peter1138> it wasn't before 09:52:40 <peter1138> that was before newgrfs were saved though 09:54:15 <planetmaker> oh. he :-) Better save newgrfs then 09:55:50 *** bartaway is now known as bartavelle 09:55:59 <bartavelle> yo 09:56:17 <peter1138> in theory scenarios without towns and industries can use the player's set up easily 09:56:27 <peter1138> iirc you can't play them currently 09:56:42 <Yexo> you can't load a scenario without a town 09:57:38 <peter1138> it wouldn't be much of a scenario without industries and towns, mind you 10:06:56 <planetmaker> yes, it wouldn't be. 10:07:18 <planetmaker> My idea would rather be to have some sort of place holders or indicators - which would get filled when loading it as a real game 10:07:55 <planetmaker> it would thus increase the half-life time of useful scenarios :-) 10:08:30 <Yexo> for towns I can see that working,for industries it's more diffcult 10:08:38 <planetmaker> and especially make use of newgrfs more fruitful... scenarios with newgrfs are OLD very fast. 10:08:53 <Yexo> after all industry placement in a sceneario can depend heavily on the type of industries 10:09:10 <planetmaker> Yes, industries are a bit problematic, I know... 10:11:00 <planetmaker> it's not something well thought-out yet :-) 10:11:36 <planetmaker> The rough idea I had so far is to either allow industries in some places or not. Or another option could be to allow certain cargo types as input or output in certain regions 10:11:49 * peter1138 goes back to pondering tunnels 10:11:51 <planetmaker> regions as in the way you define desert / jungle in tropical 10:25:59 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F84A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:28:01 *** xopek [xorkrus@ip-67-189.interbild.net] has joined #openttd 10:35:38 *** xopek [xorkrus@ip-67-189.interbild.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:35:49 *** ptr [~peter@p123-n250.kthopen.kth.se] has joined #openttd 10:35:57 *** xopek [xorkrus@ip-67-189.interbild.net] has joined #openttd 10:36:21 *** xopek [xorkrus@ip-67-189.interbild.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:40:17 *** bartavelle is now known as bartaway 10:48:18 *** xorkrus [xorkrus@ip-67-189.interbild.net] has joined #openttd 11:18:20 *** xorkrus [xorkrus@ip-67-189.interbild.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:31:53 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm68.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 11:35:19 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18514 /trunk/src/ (4 files): -Codechange: make it a bit clearer that for tile layouts num_sprites (as in number of sprite sets) is not the same as num_sprites (as in number of building sprites) 11:45:28 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d243.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:49:49 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 11:50:27 <peter1138> brrr, cold :( 11:50:35 <Noldo> how cold? 11:50:46 <peter1138> jacket on indoors cold 11:51:17 <Noldo> -18,5 outside 11:51:19 <Noldo> C 11:53:25 <welshdragon> !seen petert 11:53:34 <welshdragon> damn 11:53:39 <welshdragon> I was enjoying his server 11:54:09 <Noldo> maybe forum pm would reach him 11:54:18 <peter1138> maybe my fist will reach him 11:54:32 <welshdragon> meh 11:54:49 <welshdragon> peter1138: didn't you have a server? 11:57:07 <welshdragon> damn 11:57:27 <welshdragon> nobody else is running a 0.7.5-rc1 game :( 11:57:33 <peter1138> i have done in the past 11:57:44 <peter1138> i tend to run nightlies though 11:57:50 <welshdragon> heh 11:57:55 <peter1138> or just 'current revision' hehe 11:58:42 <welshdragon> ;) 11:58:59 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.21.64.102] has joined #openttd 12:00:39 <welshdragon> right then 12:00:52 <welshdragon> time to install openttd on this server I have access to :P 12:04:13 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:07:41 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:12:48 *** xopek [~xopknet@92.46.175.52] has joined #openttd 12:12:55 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 12:14:35 *** bartaway is now known as bartavelle 12:28:40 * welshdragon hides the blatant translation bug in openttd :( 12:28:48 <welshdragon> (in Welsh) 12:31:24 *** bartavelle is now known as bartaway 12:31:40 <Yexo> welshdragon: please sign up at translator.openttd.org and correct any errors you find 12:31:40 <peter1138> that's YOUR fault that is 12:31:47 <Yexo> that's the only way to improve the translation 12:32:04 <welshdragon> Yexo: i'll correct it now 12:33:02 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@53.81.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 12:37:46 *** elmz [~elmz@dhcp-103-143.idi.ntnu.no] has joined #openttd 12:40:29 *** Narcissus [~Narcissus@94.229.70.30] has joined #openttd 12:43:34 *** ptr [~peter@p123-n250.kthopen.kth.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 12:45:45 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:47:09 <Narcissus> Hey - are there any rpm's for OpenTTD? If not, want me to roll some up for you want host them? 12:47:26 <Narcissus> s/want\ host/and\ host/ 12:50:15 <thingwath> http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=8531 12:50:17 <thingwath> for example. :) 12:51:02 <planetmaker> Narcissus, there are. All SuSE editions have their rpms 12:51:08 <planetmaker> at least as of... a week ago ;-) 12:51:13 <planetmaker> possibly 12:51:28 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_PkJ_4oEjc << nsfw] 12:51:29 <Narcissus> ah indeed 12:51:32 <planetmaker> but then... just download, unzip and enjoy 12:51:34 * Narcissus adds more repos 12:56:11 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9EEC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:56:23 <Ammler> Narcissus: I just fiddling around with it a bit (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/openttdcoop/) 12:56:50 <Ammler> also the official distro repos have openttd packages. 12:57:21 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:57:48 <Ammler> Narcissus: which distro do you have in mind? 12:58:37 <Narcissus> Ammler: CentOS && Fedora 12:58:48 <Ammler> https://secure.openttd.org/bugs/task/3375 <-- also related 13:01:46 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c16e:2588:e8b0:4aeb] has joined #openttd 13:01:49 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:04:13 <Ammler> Narcissus: if you think the spec need improvement to work "better" with CentOS and Fedora, suggestions are very much welcome. 13:06:34 <Narcissus> Ammler: tbf I didn't know there was any rpms as I didn't really search for them, just did yum search through rpmforge, but thanks for the rpms anyway 13:11:30 <Ammler> fedora has them also on his official repo 13:11:50 <Ammler> Narcissus: what wm do you run? 13:12:02 <Ammler> (KDE, Gnome, something else? 13:12:50 <Narcissus> Ammler: Xfce 13:17:41 <Ammler> there is is fine, I have a KDE glitch here, where I have no Idea how to fix. 13:18:03 <peter1138> is xfce consistent yet? heh 13:18:46 <Narcissus> Xfce is lovely :3 13:20:31 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 13:33:58 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77CDE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:34:12 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CECE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:36:03 *** ptr [~peter@p123-n250.kthopen.kth.se] has joined #openttd 13:36:30 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77CDE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:41:07 <dihedral> peter1138, what kind of answer do you expect from someone who uses xfce? 13:41:25 <Lakie> What is xfce? 13:43:35 <welshdragon> that's a good question Lakie 13:43:48 <welshdragon> (damn, i had to hit tab 3 times :( ) 13:43:49 <Ammler> I use it on my very old desktop where KDE doesn't run 13:44:01 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:45:23 <planetmaker> anyone knows which are the mapgen sprite numbers? 13:45:40 <Ammler> Lakie: xfce4 is Windows Manager like KDE or Gnome 13:45:59 <Lakie> Fair enough. 13:46:09 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@53.81.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 13:49:36 <peter1138> RISC OS forever! 13:58:05 *** LordAzamath [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 14:03:55 *** LordAzamath is now known as Madi 14:03:57 *** Madi is now known as Madis 14:14:46 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@88.130.170.161] has joined #openttd 14:21:18 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@88.130.172.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:23:16 <Belugas> 'lo 14:23:45 <planetmaker> hal' 14:25:32 <dihedral> .'.'.' 14:38:39 <fjb> '9000 14:39:56 <TrueBrain> error: syntax failure 14:44:38 <mirQus> Hello 14:47:08 *** lskdfj [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:49:09 *** Fish-Face [~fish@cpc3-stkp4-0-0-cust578.manc.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 14:49:58 <Fish-Face> I'm trying to create an external plotter to find the optimum distance for stations and suchlike - so I need to implement the formula for how much income you get for a delivery 14:50:43 <Fish-Face> But there's some weirdness with the formula on the wiki and that in the code 14:52:15 <planetmaker> it depends on the speed of delivery... 14:52:42 <planetmaker> which depends upon the actual track length, not the separation of the stations. 14:53:10 <Fish-Face> I'm plotting it abstractly, as in the wiki, but my graphs don't match those on the wiki 14:53:35 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:53:38 *** lskdfj is now known as LadyHawk 14:53:42 <Fish-Face> for income against speed, the initial plateau is much longer in my plot :/ 14:58:04 <Fish-Face> so my interpretations of the wiki formula and the code formula agree... almost. But neither agree with the graphs on the wiki 14:58:14 <Fish-Face> hmm, perhaps my speed conversion is wrong 14:58:30 <Madis> !seen skidd13 14:58:33 <Madis> @seen skidd13 14:58:33 <DorpsGek> Madis: skidd13 was last seen in #openttd 1 year, 25 weeks, 0 days, 15 hours, 50 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <skidd13> night folks 15:01:59 <planetmaker> Fish-Face, well... the code is always right :-) 15:02:08 <planetmaker> the speed is (within the code) in miles per hour 15:02:08 *** Loffe [loffe@xdsl-83-145-204-129.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 15:02:17 <planetmaker> afaik. 15:02:25 <planetmaker> But I might be wrong and it changed 15:02:26 <Loffe> Whoa, lots of people. 15:02:53 <planetmaker> usually such things are commented in the appropriate pieces of the source ;-) 15:03:44 <Fish-Face> planetmaker, hmm... I don't need to know about speed in the code I don't think 15:04:02 <Fish-Face> only distance (in tiles) and time (in days, but / 2.5) 15:04:18 <TrueBrain> Loffe: if you like, we can leave? 15:04:38 <planetmaker> Fish-Face, true :-) For delivery the transit time only matters 15:05:37 <Loffe> TrueBrain nah, i'll cope :) 15:05:43 <Fish-Face> I think I have it working sensibly now... maybe 15:06:05 <planetmaker> there are two kinda times which define the prices. With different influence on the income. Those times are cargo specific 15:06:19 <dihedral> planetmaker, track length is not the only thing that matters :-P 15:06:21 <Fish-Face> ah, I've worked out the problem 15:06:28 <Fish-Face> I was dividing by 2.5 instead of multiplying by it 15:06:30 <Loffe> Any idea if there's a patch for having the Valuables chain in the Sub-Arctic tileset? 15:07:02 <planetmaker> Loffe, it's relatively easy to do that via newgrf. But I know of no such one 15:07:20 <Loffe> planetmaker ok 15:07:53 <Loffe> I've been playing around with the US scenario with NARS &c, but I'd like to get an urban-to-urban industrial thing going on 15:09:18 <Loffe> I suppose I could just switch the tileset - but that would be too easy :P 15:09:29 <planetmaker> well... use temperate ;-) 15:09:52 <planetmaker> or maybe one of the industry sets provides it. Or you "just" make that small newgrf yourself. 15:10:06 <planetmaker> But I fear it has a big entry barrier to actually code that 15:10:35 <planetmaker> Though... it's not impossible and once one got the hang of, it's moderately easy. 15:10:39 <Loffe> yeah, my coding experience stops at basic java and that was, what, 10 years ago :P 15:11:05 <planetmaker> Well... it's not THAT difficult. You just need to change the climate availability of those industries. 15:11:18 <planetmaker> and you'd be done. It's like 10 lines of NFO code or so. 15:11:24 <planetmaker> maybe 20, if you make it big 15:11:39 <planetmaker> doesn't mean I can do it in 5 minutes :-) 15:11:49 <Loffe> Hehe, I wasn't going to suggest that ;) 15:11:54 <Madis> it's THAT difficult :) 15:12:02 *** Madis [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]] 15:13:05 <planetmaker> Though... Loffe you could obtain the source of the lumbermill newgrf. It does a very similar thing to the lumber mill 15:25:11 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:5ce3:55e8:1:c9ad:d957:d758:74ae] has joined #openttd 15:36:31 *** xopek [~xopknet@92.46.175.52] has quit [Quit: http://xopkep.blogspot.com/] 15:39:28 *** Luukland [~Hassan@ip195-211-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 15:39:35 <Luukland> And the server master arrives :) 15:39:39 <Luukland> no need to bow :p 15:41:22 *** Luukland was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [deep enough?] 15:44:57 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 15:48:24 *** sparrL [~kvirc@99-2-138-242.lightspeed.nsvltn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 15:48:30 *** DarkED2 [~J@cpe-069-132-093-098.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:48:36 *** DarkED [~J@cpe-069-132-093-098.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 16:05:26 *** DarkED [~J@cpe-069-132-093-098.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:07:06 *** xopek [~xopknet@92.46.175.52] has joined #openttd 16:14:42 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fea69.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:14:44 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:23:57 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18515 /trunk/src/ (saveload/afterload.cpp train_cmd.cpp vehicle_gui.cpp): 16:23:57 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Change: make it visible when you're to pass the next signal on danger and possible to cancel it 16:23:57 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Fix [FS#2891]: when you pass a signal at danger, in a PBS controlled area, 16:23:57 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: don't try to do the 'safe' thing and stop, but continue going; the user wanted 16:23:57 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: the train to pass the signal at danger so (s)he has to suffer the consequences. 16:23:58 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: Ofcourse one can always stop the train manually. 16:28:06 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F84A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:30:37 *** Madis [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 16:32:28 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Would you like to know more?] 16:33:34 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F84A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:37:25 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:38:17 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 16:38:21 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:46:36 <Rubidium> yay... the relative OSX bug count has doubled since my thread about it... 16:49:20 <ashb> Rubidium: and they are more then just duplicates? 16:49:45 <Rubidium> yes 16:50:20 <planetmaker> he... 16:51:04 <planetmaker> but there were not that many new specific bugs, were there? 16:53:21 <Rubidium> nope, but then the question is whether they know they won't be fixed and don't report them because of that 16:53:38 <Rubidium> or that they fear that if there are too many bugs reported we will really stop supporting it, etc. 16:55:09 <planetmaker> well... it doesn't matter. 10.6 isn't supported anyway... so I can keep reporting bugs. And better document them than leave them undocumented 16:55:13 *** Luukland [~Hassan@ip195-211-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 16:55:41 <planetmaker> even if... there's no point in not reporting. It doesn't solve anything 16:57:38 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18516 /trunk/src/ (ai/ai_gui.cpp lang/english.txt): -Feature [FS#3359]: moving of AIs in the AI configuration window. Based on a patch by Zuu. 16:58:28 <planetmaker> will you keep producing binaries for 10.3.9 ... 10.5 for the future releases, though? 16:58:52 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@82.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 16:59:55 <Terkhen> hello 17:00:07 <planetmaker> hello Terkhen 17:00:31 <ashb> W 39 17:01:08 <Belugas> Z77 17:01:20 <Belugas> Q 23 17:01:21 *** xopek [~xopknet@92.46.175.52] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:01:30 <Belugas> W3 17:01:35 <Rubidium> planetmaker: probably not; it's full of bugs nobody is really bothered about fixing. Better axe something broken (PBS anyone?) than having to support users not reading that their version is not supported 17:01:54 *** xopek [~xopknet@92.46.175.52] has joined #openttd 17:02:04 <Rubidium> it'd even make the nightlies available 10-15 minutes earlier 17:02:15 <planetmaker> hm... that'd be unfortunate :-( 17:02:47 <planetmaker> I mean... it works usually and there's no critical bug. And you wouldn't even need to change anything... 17:03:13 <planetmaker> say: as it's now it's not really much work for you, or is it? 17:03:35 <Rubidium> well, the game flickering magenta isn't some quite annoying bug? 17:03:45 <planetmaker> I cannot reproduce it. 17:03:55 <Rubidium> it's even more annoying than some trains crashing when you mess with you PBS signaled junction 17:04:00 <Rubidium> and PBS got axed 17:04:55 <fonsinchen> What is "to axe"? 17:05:26 <planetmaker> cut out 17:05:32 <planetmaker> use an axe on it 17:05:33 <Rubidium> "to chop, split, or sever with an ax" 17:05:53 *** Madis [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.6/20091201220228]] 17:06:08 <fonsinchen> Huh? You removed PBS from the game? 17:06:13 <Rubidium> yes 17:06:22 <Rubidium> well, not me... but it was removed 17:07:03 <Rubidium> @openttd commit 3472 17:07:03 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: Commit by Darkvater :: r3472 /trunk (52 files in 5 dirs) (2006-01-29 18:57:26 UTC) 17:07:04 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: - [PBS] Remove from trunk. Anyone interested can still find it in branch/pbs. This reverts revisions r3158, r3140, r3075, r2977, r2674, r2625, r2621, r2529, r2528, r2525, r2524, r2519, r2517, r2516, r2507, r2499. (in conjunction with Tron) 17:07:05 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: - The only change is that the nsignalsw.grf file is kept and that existing nightlies with PBS signals get those signals converted to combo-signals. 17:08:23 <fonsinchen> so that was an old implementation of PBS and has nothing to do with YAPP, right? 17:08:43 <Rubidium> yes, nevertheless it got axed 17:09:03 <planetmaker> let's test the blitters :-) 17:09:16 <frosch123> 8bpp-debug ? 17:09:42 <planetmaker> yes. That's aweful 17:10:31 *** ptr [~peter@p123-n250.kthopen.kth.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:10:54 <SmatZ> it's fancy 17:11:22 <frosch123> esp. for anymated tiles 17:12:11 <planetmaker> is it supposed to look funny? 17:12:31 <planetmaker> I never tried it... 17:12:58 <frosch123> no idea, maybe it is easier usable after 5 coffee 17:13:05 <frosch123> cups of 17:13:40 <Belugas> mugs! 17:13:56 <Belugas> big fat enormous mugs !! 17:15:15 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm68.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:15:45 <planetmaker> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/3194/getfile/5024/Bildschirmfoto%202009-12-16%20um%2018.10.00.png <-- like that? 17:16:21 <Belugas> nifty :D 17:16:39 <Rubidium> nice, ain't it... and it's even vaguely playable 17:16:46 <planetmaker> honestly: what is debug supposed to look like? 17:16:53 <Rubidium> that 17:16:57 <planetmaker> ok :-) 17:17:26 <Belugas> so unreal, i like it 17:18:56 <planetmaker> how does one fix bugs which one cannot reproduce? :S 17:19:13 <Rubidium> try long enough till you can reproduce it 17:19:28 <Rubidium> but... as long as the 'victim' can reproduce it it's still there 17:26:08 <peter1138> heh, the problem with the original PBS was trains crashing _without_ messing with junctions... 17:31:21 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejc244.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 17:32:14 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 17:35:26 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc4-newt30-2-0-cust18.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:35:37 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:39:35 *** worldemar [~woldemar@213.178.40.148] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:46:19 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 17:59:55 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.246.47] has joined #openttd 18:03:50 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 18:06:21 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9A77.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:17:43 <TrueBrain> [18:16] <planetmaker> honestly: what is debug supposed to look like? <- funny story: 8bpp-debug was the first blitter created, where the sprite/palette loader was not yet working in any sane way; still I wanted to see what was outputted, so I gave random colours to the objects. This turned out to look so cool, I just had to keep the blitter :) 18:18:09 <TrueBrain> no idea if it is ever used for any sane debugging :p 18:18:12 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 18:18:47 <planetmaker> fair enough, I have to say 18:23:01 <peter1138> he was one a long acid trip at the time, mind you 18:23:04 <peter1138> -e 18:30:55 <Belugas> strange... i don't remember those colours when i was on it :S 18:31:11 <Belugas> must not be the same type... 18:32:51 <TrueBrain> Belugas: you first need to come out of it to notice the difference :p 18:34:13 <planetmaker> lol 18:34:20 <Belugas> ho... 18:34:22 <Belugas> right... 18:34:28 <Belugas> blup blup blup 18:35:26 *** Timmaexx [~quassel@port-92-192-123-207.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 18:36:56 <Timmaexx> Good Evening 18:37:11 <Rubidium> what would be a sane naming 'regime' for archives with openttd, opengfx, opensfx and nosound? Would be useful for 0.8 I'd say. openttd-<ver>-<target>-full, openttd-<ver>-<target>-ready-to-play (or would people then download it each time?), openttd-<ver>-<target>-starter-edition? 18:37:34 <Rubidium> or is there something better? 18:40:33 <TrueBrain> rename the current to -core, then you can name this -full ;) 18:41:27 <frosch123> offline-and-firewall-package 18:42:02 <jonty-comp> what TrueBrain said 18:42:34 <frosch123> core is stupid, then rather update 18:42:44 *** Luukland [~Hassan@ip195-211-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has left #openttd [] 18:43:40 <TrueBrain> 'openttd' is not 'update' 18:43:48 <TrueBrain> it is the 'core' or 'minimalistic' 18:44:07 <frosch123> stage-2 :p 18:44:16 <Rubidium> once you've installed -full, it's kinda an update 18:44:32 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: in a very strange and weird way, begging for tons of questions, sure :) 18:44:38 <TrueBrain> (I installed -full, do I now also need to install -update?) 18:45:08 <Rubidium> true, but... -core implies really minimalistic, e.g. only English 18:45:16 <TrueBrain> so name it something else ;) 18:45:18 <Ammler> or dedicated 18:45:25 <TrueBrain> I was just noting it would be good to rename the current, and use -full 18:45:41 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r18517 /trunk/src/lang/ (8 files): (log message trimmed) 18:45:41 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:41 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: croatian - 36 changes by 18:45:41 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: danish - 3 changes by beruic 18:45:41 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: dutch - 1 changes by Yexo 18:45:42 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: french - 4 changes by glx 18:45:42 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: german - 1 changes by planetmaker 18:45:49 <jonty-comp> how about something to do with not having resources 18:45:53 <jonty-comp> like -nores, only better 18:46:24 <jonty-comp> or -original and -complete or something 18:46:38 <frosch123> or just -with-media 18:46:49 <planetmaker> Rubidium: -full and alike sounds fine to me 18:46:54 <Rubidium> I'd rather avoid people downloading -complete each time because they don't want -original 18:47:03 <planetmaker> -bin -lang -graphics -sound 18:47:18 <Eddi|zuHause> so -minimal and -complete? 18:47:23 <Rubidium> planetmaker: then they're better of just downloading them theirselves 18:47:26 <TrueBrain> you can also make a -data and -light/-minimal what ever 18:47:46 <planetmaker> Rubidium: well... I thought as possible updates :-) 18:48:01 <frosch123> Rubidium: but doesn't that only depend on the website interface? e.g. wouldn't a non-editable always-checked "openttd" checkbox and a default-checked "opengfx&sfx" checkbox solve that? 18:48:04 <planetmaker> with -bin being what currently is your download 18:48:15 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: or make one package, and make a small thingy in OpenTTD which downloads the opengfx/opensfx when ever it is first started :p :p 18:48:47 <Ammler> then the suggestion from frosch -offline would suiffice 18:48:47 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: opening a network connection without asking? That's asking for trouble 18:48:55 <TrueBrain> then you ask about it ;) 18:49:05 <frosch123> TrueBrain: and the win installer already does 18:49:05 <Rubidium> how? You've can't show anything 18:49:05 <TrueBrain> "You seem not to have any GFX files. Should we download OpenGFX for you?" 18:49:21 <TrueBrain> English only ;) 18:49:28 <Rubidium> you can't draw anything because you don't have the graphics or the colour mappings 18:49:38 <TrueBrain> so pick black 18:49:40 <TrueBrain> on white 18:49:45 <Rubidium> and without colour mappings everything gets mapped to transparent 18:49:55 <TrueBrain> (you can very easy set a palette colour :p) 18:50:11 <TrueBrain> or hardcode one palette 18:50:15 <TrueBrain> that wouldn't be the problem :) 18:51:26 <Ammler> include opengfx and nosound ot the min. openttd 18:51:42 <TrueBrain> or: include opengfx/opensfx in all release binaries (not in the nightlies, that would be silly) 18:51:48 <TrueBrain> the server has plenty of bandwidth left :p 18:52:45 <frosch123> that would suggest "-minimal" again :) 18:53:48 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: the 'full' packages are 5 times bigger (20 MB) 18:54:06 <Rubidium> which gets us pretty damn close to the bandwidth limit 18:54:21 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: time to talk to LeaseWeb again, I say ;) 18:54:31 <TrueBrain> or to finally finnish the mirror system 18:54:37 <Rubidium> and one can expect that once people don't need TTD graphics more people are going to use it 18:56:35 <frosch123> "[x] i am playing ottd for the first time and also need the free graphics and sounds" <- disabled by default? 18:57:05 <TrueBrain> or enable by default, set cookie, and disable when cookie is there? :) 18:57:13 <Rubidium> frosch123: you missed section 0 of the 'what are users' manual :) 18:57:36 <Rubidium> I think I'll just leave it to the windows installer 18:57:52 <Rubidium> and maybe someone gets inspired and writes an installer for linux 18:57:56 <Ammler> skidd is no dev anymore? 18:58:13 <Rubidium> he retired 18:58:24 <TrueBrain> Ammler: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=41428 18:58:47 <TrueBrain> (glad you notice after almost a year :s) 18:59:00 <Ammler> well, Truebrain made once a similar thread ;-) 18:59:15 <frosch123> or was it truelight? 18:59:18 <Ammler> It wasn't a month ago I talked with him about the spec 18:59:54 <frosch123> yeah, he is bored during his military service :) 19:00:00 <Eddi|zuHause> that's the thing with addictions, they always lead you back ;) 19:00:45 <Ammler> I liked his feedback before I submit it to the official package maintainers... 19:00:48 *** elmz [~elmz@dhcp-103-143.idi.ntnu.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:05:41 *** _ln [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 19:06:10 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc1691.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:07:42 *** DarkED [~J@cpe-069-132-093-098.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 19:08:19 *** Goulp [~Goulp@nt2001.opsio.fr] has quit [Quit: PACKET_SERVER_SHUTDOWN] 19:08:58 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F84A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:09:35 <Timmaexx> May I vote for 19:09:37 <Timmaexx> [19:51:42] <TrueBrain> or: include opengfx/opensfx in all release binaries (not in the nightlies, that would be silly) 19:09:41 <Timmaexx> ? 19:10:21 <Timmaexx> That would be the easiest thing for beginners I think... 19:12:02 <peter1138> no 19:12:07 <peter1138> i won't let you 19:16:35 <planetmaker> -full and -core as TB proposed sound also easy enough... with -core being the default download 19:16:57 <planetmaker> Maybe one could offer then an additional -media or so. E.g. opengfx/sfx 19:18:51 <Eddi|zuHause> -game, -media, -full? 19:21:00 <frosch123> -pro, -1337, -n00b ? 19:21:00 *** xopek [~xopknet@92.46.175.52] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:21:51 <TrueBrain> somehow I got my linux in this state that pressing my numpad moves my mouse ..... 19:22:04 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:22:10 <peter1138> it's a feature 19:22:28 <peter1138> shift-alt-numlock toggles it 19:22:46 <TrueBrain> how ever did I press that :s 19:22:57 <peter1138> there must be something else that does too, because i don't think i ever pressed that combination accidentally either... 19:23:27 *** xopek [~xopknet@92.46.175.52] has joined #openttd 19:25:05 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 19:25:31 <planetmaker> :-) 19:26:57 <Eddi|zuHause> i want the alt+arrows==mouse movement feature back in the game :( 19:31:58 *** Yexo [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:33:05 *** DJNekkid [~tmsmje@static128-249.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 19:37:01 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-211-40.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:38:56 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 19:39:43 <Timmaexx> PeterT how do you write 1600 Threads since August??? 19:40:04 <Alberth> react at every post with a post of your own 19:40:18 <peter1138> by posting shit all the time 19:40:31 <frosch123> e.g. "what is <insert first word of topic>?" 19:41:43 <Timmaexx> Hehe I ask myself, if you have RL? Not to bash you, but I am afraid thats good for your health 19:42:25 <frosch123> what is RL? 19:42:30 <SmatZ> rocket launcher 19:42:36 <frosch123> :) 19:42:36 <Timmaexx> ealLife 19:42:40 <Timmaexx> RealLife 19:43:14 <frosch123> ... worst game ever 19:43:18 <SmatZ> hehe 19:43:46 <Prof_Frink> frosch123: Once you find the cheat codes it's more fun. 19:44:03 <Timmaexx> PeterT don't call me ashole! You don't know me! 19:44:08 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: but it has good graphics (i am told) 19:44:25 <PeterT> I didn't call you an asshole 19:44:46 <frosch123> Prof_Frink: you know b*lugas' forum signature? 19:44:56 <Prof_Frink> ...no? 19:45:29 <frosch123> disclaimed: previous question was rhetorical 19:50:57 *** Timmaexx [~quassel@port-92-192-123-207.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:58:32 <TrueBrain> [20:44] <Timmaexx> PeterT don't call me ashole! You don't know me! <- is he seeing things, or is my ignore list too powerful? 19:58:57 * Yexo didn't see it either 19:59:10 <Yexo> otherwise dorpsgek could've seen some action :p 19:59:35 <PeterT> TrueBrain: I said to him in PM, "What an asshole move, writing about me in xxx place" 20:00:15 <TrueBrain> Yexo: would it be too late now? 20:00:28 <planetmaker> yeah! Mud throwing! Where's my super socer? 20:00:35 <Yexo> never too late 20:00:46 <Yexo> but since nothing wrong was said here it wouldn't be fair 20:00:57 <PeterT> Thanks, Yexo 20:01:23 <TrueBrain> fair fair ... who needs fairness? 20:01:29 <Prof_Frink> Since when was Dorpy fair? 20:01:31 <PeterT> Wow, when Zephyris makes a suggestion, he goes all out: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=46338 20:01:39 <TrueBrain> Lets put it to a vote 20:01:42 <TrueBrain> anyone in favour? 20:02:23 <Yexo> you should ask for votes against 20:02:32 <TrueBrain> my mistake 20:02:34 <TrueBrain> anyone against? 20:02:34 <Yexo> then assume everyone who wasn't against is in favour 20:03:38 *** Narcissus [~Narcissus@94.229.70.30] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:04:31 *** DarkED [~J@cpe-069-132-093-098.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:05:00 <TrueBrain> this is a tie breaker .. no for, no against .. 20:05:11 <Yexo> so you get to decide 20:05:15 * Prof_Frink spoils his ballot 20:05:37 <TrueBrain> I hate decisions 20:05:43 <Prof_Frink> Flip a coin. 20:05:50 * TrueBrain flips Prof_Frink 20:05:55 <Yexo> @calc random(1, 2) 20:05:55 <DorpsGek> Yexo: Error: 'random' is not a defined function. 20:05:58 * Prof_Frink lands on his head 20:06:02 <TrueBrain> @rand 20:06:05 <TrueBrain> @random 20:06:07 <TrueBrain> stupid bot 20:06:07 <Yexo> @calc rand 20:06:07 <DorpsGek> Yexo: Error: 'rand' is not a defined function. 20:06:14 <Chruker> heh who deleted the 3d rendering of the new map 20:06:40 <TrueBrain> who added it? 20:07:14 <Chruker> Zephyris, the last post in that thread 20:08:09 <Yexo> that's not created by openttd 20:08:51 <frosch123> [21:01] <Prof_Frink> Since when was Dorpy fair? <- sorry, TrueBrain, but you missed your chance 20:09:08 <TrueBrain> frosch123: I know .. I am going soft :'( 20:09:20 <TrueBrain> and I like Prof_Frink, that might have something to do with it 20:10:05 <frosch123> @seen yorick 20:10:05 <DorpsGek> frosch123: yorick was last seen in #openttd 4 weeks, 5 days, 3 hours, 59 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <yorick> documents/openttd 20:11:16 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@188.109.244.80] has joined #openttd 20:11:30 <Eddi|zuHause> since when did that stop you? :p 20:12:45 <peter1138> @seen bjarni 20:12:45 <DorpsGek> peter1138: bjarni was last seen in #openttd 14 weeks, 1 day, 0 hours, 12 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <Bjarni> Belugas: there is no reason to write to PeterT. We already know he is unable to read anyway :P 20:12:53 <peter1138> heh 20:13:17 <Yexo> haha 20:13:52 <Eddi|zuHause> lmao ;) 20:13:58 *** Narcissus [~Narcissus@anubis.defsec.org] has joined #openttd 20:14:05 <Belugas> mh? 20:14:27 <Belugas> ho... 20:14:31 <Belugas> again 20:14:57 <peter1138> sorry sir 20:16:11 <Belugas> no prob ;) 20:18:04 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-211-40.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:18:33 *** Narcissus [~Narcissus@anubis.defsec.org] has quit [] 20:35:26 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d500.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:41:30 <edeca> Hrm, I get no bauxite sources in my FIRS game 20:41:38 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:41:46 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc1691.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:42:23 <Yexo> edeca: you might want to ask again no andythenorth is here 20:42:36 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d243.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:44:03 <andythenorth> ask ask 20:44:13 <andythenorth> I have nothing better to do :( 20:44:21 <andythenorth> waiting in the office for a stupid printer to finish 20:45:11 * TrueBrain gives andythenorth a flamethrower 20:45:12 <TrueBrain> that should help 20:45:36 <andythenorth> err....thanks :P 20:46:02 <TrueBrain> always glad to help someone out of the fire 20:49:15 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CECE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:49:46 <xopek> so what can be done for performance network game? It is my break down under "Registration" on account of 'Could not load savegame ". 20:51:01 <Yexo> can you ask again without an automatic translation? I have no idea what you're asking 20:51:49 <andythenorth> yum yum the money problem 20:52:30 *** xopek [~xopknet@92.46.175.52] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:52:30 *** xorkrus [~xopknet@92.46.175.52] has joined #openttd 20:52:32 <xorkrus> my english is worse than google :-) 20:52:45 *** xorkrus is now known as xopek 20:53:00 <Belugas> you should really try to learn it, it's one of the most easiest language around 20:53:07 <Belugas> the other being Pascal... 20:53:13 * Belugas runs away laughing 20:53:23 <andythenorth> meh silly Belugas 20:53:25 <Prof_Frink> Belugas: It certainly has the fewest rules to learn 20:53:34 <Yexo> xopek: just try 20:53:43 <Yexo> I'm sure you'll do better then the automatic translation 20:53:46 <andythenorth> infrastructure is too cheap 20:54:03 <andythenorth> but if we make it too expensive (with a grf) it's impossible to start the game 20:54:06 <Yexo> to start with, does the problem have to do with a multiplayer game or with loading a singleplayer game? 20:54:20 <Eddi|zuHause> Belugas: i'm fairly certain that python is easier than pascal ;) 20:55:13 <xopek> only multiplayer 20:55:16 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-18-77.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:55:25 <TrueBrain> Yexo: we walked with him over everything yesterday already .. so get you up to speed: Gentoo, zlib compiled, networkclient.tmp is a OTTZ, but he fails to load it, even when renaming to .sav 20:55:30 <TrueBrain> I believe there we left off ;) 20:55:40 <TrueBrain> oh, the error was that inflation failed 20:55:57 <Yexo> thanks TrueBrain 20:56:07 <Prof_Frink> That's because the economy's shafted. 20:58:39 *** xorkrus [~xopknet@92.46.175.52] has joined #openttd 20:58:45 <xorkrus> fail :( 20:59:05 *** xopek is now known as Guest298 20:59:05 *** xorkrus is now known as xopek 20:59:14 <TrueBrain> Yexo: yeah, I thought, before you have go through that trouble again too ;) Damn .. I am starting to be a nice guy .. what went wrong :'( 20:59:34 <Rubidium> to much at the public beach? 20:59:41 <TrueBrain> I think so 21:00:09 *** Guest298 [~xopknet@92.46.175.52] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:01:08 <Prof_Frink> Public House. 21:03:25 * Belugas mumbles something about biting off the head of a python 21:05:14 <xopek> oh. ok. will think problem in my proxy. and try to repair\correcting itself :-) 21:08:52 <Rubidium> xopek: anywhere where I can download that savegame? 21:09:07 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fea69.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:13:13 <welshdragon> hmm 21:13:30 <welshdragon> i want to play Auto Seperation and ITIM 21:13:39 <welshdragon> but that's going backwards :) 21:14:02 <Belugas> SAMBA! 21:14:13 * Belugas dances on his chair 21:15:10 <TrueBrain> hmm .. I missed dancing classes tonight :( 21:15:27 <TrueBrain> we learnt this most cool figure in the Samba .. hmm .. 21:15:34 <TrueBrain> (well, not tonight obvious) 21:15:56 <planetmaker> hm... USB2 is not the fastest... Since yesterday evening my photos are being backuped on my USB disk... 21:16:12 <TrueBrain> get USB3 21:16:15 <TrueBrain> eSATA? 21:16:35 <planetmaker> :-) old machine doesn't have it - and upgrading _that_ machine is not worth it 21:16:46 <TrueBrain> you do know there are PCI slots, right? :p 21:17:05 <planetmaker> I guess so. Especially as the case is open ;-) 21:17:20 <TrueBrain> and there are plenty of cards for it ;) 21:19:05 <Belugas> Samba is such a cool one :) 21:19:17 <Belugas> i love the rythm, the sound, the moves... alll! 21:20:28 <Xaroth> o_O 21:20:34 <Xaroth> somebody forgot to feed Belugas his pills again 21:21:34 <Belugas> sorry, but we're warming up for the office's christams party tonigh 21:21:39 <Belugas> and yes, Samba is cool 21:21:51 <Belugas> but it's not the only thing i'm hooked on 21:22:02 <Belugas> hooked... belugas... whaoaoaoa!!! 21:22:22 <TrueBrain> hooked on who? :p 21:22:47 <TrueBrain> enjoy your christmas party! 21:24:17 <Belugas> a hook -> catching fish -> hooked belugas -> belugas on a hook... baaaa... 21:24:19 <Belugas> thanks! 21:24:37 <Belugas> i'm hooked on you sweetheart! 21:25:20 <TrueBrain> :$ Oeh! 21:25:34 <TrueBrain> and I don't think such a plane fits in a fishing hook .. but sure, lets go with that ;) 21:25:53 <Eddi|zuHause> you do know that belugas are not fish? 21:25:57 <Belugas> oh.. fine... now i'm all confused :S 21:26:07 <Belugas> yeah... it's a DOLPHIN 21:26:53 <Belugas> in fact... latin name: Delphinapterus Leucan 21:26:55 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:27:08 <Belugas> White Dolphin Without a Wing 21:27:20 <Belugas> wing -> dorsal fin 21:27:25 <andythenorth> stupid printer 21:27:39 <andythenorth> I used to have inkjet that would do 20ppm. This laser is 90 mins for 60 pages 21:27:55 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-211-40.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:31:29 <SmatZ> andythenorth: you wanted to say "90 seconds for 60 pages", right? 21:31:34 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: yexo * r18518 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Add [NoAI]: AIOrder::AIOF_GOTO_NEAREST_DEPOT for goto nearest depot orders 21:31:37 <SmatZ> my laser is about that fast... 21:31:38 <andythenorth> I wanted to say 90s 21:31:42 <SmatZ> ok :) 21:31:45 <andythenorth> mine is not that fast 21:31:52 <andythenorth> I said 90 mins cos it is :P 21:31:58 <SmatZ> that hurts :-p 21:32:09 <SmatZ> I bought laser because I wanted faster print 21:32:14 <SmatZ> bad luck I would sat 21:32:16 <SmatZ> *say 21:32:40 <andythenorth> don't buy HP 1515 21:32:47 <SmatZ> ok :) 21:33:13 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Utm Aœ - Aja 35] 21:33:27 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 21:34:43 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:35:18 <xopek> Rubidium: my savegame? or what? 21:39:38 <edeca> Damnit, andythenorth leaves as I get back 21:39:40 <edeca> Conspiracy! 21:40:12 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:41:27 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:43:10 *** KenjiE20 is now known as Guest311 21:43:13 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@2002:4e32:f29e:1:c9ad:d957:d758:74ae] has joined #openttd 21:43:13 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.21.146.113] has joined #openttd 21:43:54 <Rubidium> xopek: yes, the savegame that's failing 21:44:27 *** Guest311 [~KenjiE20@92.21.64.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:48:14 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Nine out of ten l33t h4x0rz prefer it] 21:48:28 <xopek> Rubidium: this network_client.tmp which a create on connect to any server... 21:48:33 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.37] has joined #openttd 21:49:26 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:5ce3:55e8:1:c9ad:d957:d758:74ae] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:49:26 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 21:52:25 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:55:10 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.21.146.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:56:13 <Rubidium> xopek: yes, that savegame 21:58:08 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 22:00:11 <welshdragon> i might get shot for http://bugs.openttd.org/task/3380 22:02:52 <edeca> Am I correct to assume I cannot say "stay for 15 days _or_ until full" ? 22:03:37 <planetmaker> I believe so, yes 22:04:42 <planetmaker> welshdragon: why would the correct behaviour be to stop outside the stop? 22:04:44 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: yexo * r18519 /trunk/bin/ai/regression/ (regression.nut regression.txt): -Codechange: Improve regression tests for AIOrder 22:05:17 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.89.69.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 22:05:42 <xopek> Rubidium: http://ssh.shellium.org/~xorkrus2/network_client.tmp 22:05:43 <edeca> Ouch, one AI has 500 vehicles :) 22:06:26 <thingwath> I agree with welshdragon and his bug :) 22:06:26 <welshdragon> planetmaker: not outside 22:06:35 <welshdragon> on the line 22:06:54 <welshdragon> 2009-12-16: A task closure has been requested. Reason for request: It's old, and the developers don't care 22:07:05 <welshdragon> (fs #1136 :P) 22:07:54 <Rubidium> xopek: can't connect to your IPv6 address 22:09:06 <welshdragon> who deleted my bug? 22:09:23 <andythenorth> edeca: the bauxite mines aren't done in FIRS yet. So no bauxite :| 22:09:30 <andythenorth> makes the aluminium chain a bit pointless 22:09:36 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 22:09:37 <andythenorth> unless you can deliver a *lot* of scrap metal 22:09:57 <xopek> em... my IPv6 address? i using ipv4... and ssh.shellium.org - ipv4... 22:10:18 <Rubidium> ssh.shellium.org. 86145 IN AAAA 2001:470:8:257::5 22:10:27 <xopek> 207.192.71.108 22:11:06 <Rubidium> well, it also has an IPv6 address that isn't connected 22:12:19 <Rubidium> I've got the savegame though 22:12:25 <Rubidium> via IPv4 22:12:37 <Rubidium> I'm just notifying you that it doesn't work with IPv6 22:14:14 <xopek> not know. i do not use it. in kazakhstan only entered ipv6... :-) 22:14:57 <andythenorth> stupid printing 22:15:18 <xopek> :-) 22:17:00 <edeca> andythenorth: Ah, heh :) 22:17:06 <edeca> andythenorth: No problems, thanks! Thought I was going mad 22:17:16 <edeca> andythenorth: And thanks if it's you putting work into FIRS. I'm really enjoying it 22:17:38 <andythenorth> np. feedback in the development thread is always useful 22:19:06 <Yexo> welshdragon: you can see "closed by" if you look at the bug 22:19:19 <welshdragon> Yexo: i noticed 22:19:22 <Yexo> your bug report wasn't deleted, just closed 22:20:52 <SmatZ> note it won't be backported to 0.7.5 22:20:54 *** Sionide is now known as Sionide| 22:21:03 *** Sionide| is now known as Sionide 22:21:17 <Sacro> any C++ gurus here? 22:21:34 <Rubidium> depends on the subject 22:21:45 <planetmaker> like guru guru in "Asterix in America"? 22:21:48 <Sacro> if you specify the type you are returning in the return statement is that valid? 22:21:53 <Sacro> planetmaker: <3 asterix 22:21:55 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9A77.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:22:01 <Sacro> like, 22:22:09 <Sacro> return ObjectType foo; 22:22:23 <deghosty> shouldn't u be retrnnig object? 22:22:28 <SmatZ> how can that be valid? 22:22:28 <Sacro> actually, i'll paste the lines 22:22:38 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:22:39 <Sacro> # 22:22:39 <Sacro> Vector add(const Vector &rhs) const { 22:22:39 <Sacro> # 22:22:39 <Sacro> return Vector result (rhs.x()+_x, rhs.y()+_y, rhs.z()+_z); 22:22:39 <Sacro> # 22:22:45 <Sacro> } 22:22:46 <SmatZ> Sacro: paste.openttd.org 22:22:54 <Sacro> http://pastebin.com/m5c878771 22:22:59 <Sacro> question 2 22:23:03 <Sacro> line 32ish 22:23:08 <Rubidium> return Vector(...); ? 22:23:51 <Yexo> we should let you do your own homework of course 22:24:02 <Yexo> but the example you posted here is invalid 22:24:02 <SpComb> that's syntax 22:24:06 <Sacro> Yexo: this isn't my homework, this is a module i took last year 22:24:13 <Sacro> this is the current years mock quiz 22:24:22 <Sacro> i'm picking it apart to see if they're asking unanswerable questions again 22:24:36 <Sacro> i know the sizeof(short) isn't answerable 22:24:42 <SmatZ> D. Code section 2 generates a compiler error 22:24:48 <SmatZ> the answer is clear 22:25:16 <Rubidium> just ask how many sheep there were on Noah's Ark 22:25:30 <SmatZ> two 22:25:46 <SmatZ> two of all species, male + female 22:26:06 <SmatZ> must had been quite... full of sex there :-p 22:26:15 <Chruker> HOw many of species which have no genders? 22:26:17 <planetmaker> :-P 22:26:26 <Rubidium> Genisis 7.2: Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. 22:26:41 <Rubidium> sheep are clean beasts 22:26:59 <SmatZ> ok, umm... 22:27:10 <SmatZ> that's one too much (or little) 22:27:23 <TrueBrain> "C. The code will generate errors when compiled " <- what kind of answer is this? That can never be a valid answer 22:27:30 <TrueBrain> either it generates errors WHILE compiling 22:27:32 <TrueBrain> or WHILE running 22:27:36 <Rubidium> why? One female for every day and the seventh day the sheep go to church 22:27:38 <TrueBrain> but in the state between, it doesn't magicly generate errors :( 22:27:47 <SmatZ> hehe 22:27:53 <TrueBrain> Sacro: your test sucks 22:27:58 <SmatZ> :-D 22:28:08 <Sacro> TrueBrain: yes, we complained last year and nobody seems to fix it 22:28:16 <TrueBrain> I really wonder how that goes 22:28:21 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: *unless* the code triggers a bufferoverflow and it is actually executed 22:28:27 <andythenorth> anything *interesting* happening? 22:28:29 <SmatZ> Rubidium: okay :) I don't quite know that stuff, you know 22:28:35 <andythenorth> anything better than watching a printer? 22:28:44 <planetmaker> you can savely go to sleep, andythenorth ;-) 22:28:53 <andythenorth> I bloody can't 22:28:56 <andythenorth> stupid printer 22:28:58 <SmatZ> andythenorth: there's nothing better than watching a printer! 22:29:08 <andythenorth> maybe I should draw some pixels 22:29:12 <andythenorth> stupid pixels 22:29:20 <Rubidium> SmatZ: neither do I... but Q.I. is quite interesting :) And it's a very good question to ask Jehovah's witnesses... if they answer it wrong you can send them away to read their book again 22:29:22 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc1691.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:29:30 <SmatZ> hehe 22:29:56 <planetmaker> Q.I ? 22:30:07 <Sacro> Quite Interesting 22:30:19 <andythenorth> Terkhen: any news on RV acceleration? 22:30:22 <planetmaker> :-P 22:30:24 <TrueBrain> Sacro: and indeed, C89 only defines that a short should contain -32768 to 32768. It doesn't say in what size it should be stored in memory 22:30:31 <Sacro> SustainableTips 22:30:32 <Sacro> Children require less gasoline than snow-blowers but are just as effective at snow removal 22:30:46 <TrueBrain> you can debate the 'require' part in the question, which is a lower-bound, which is 16bit 22:30:49 <TrueBrain> yet, stupid question 22:30:50 <SmatZ> iirc, it doesn't even specify it has to be stored in "bits" 22:30:55 <Sacro> sizeof(short) <= sizeof(int) <= sizeof(long) <= sizeof(long long) 22:30:58 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: I doubt that 22:31:01 <TrueBrain> nope; just that it has to represent it 22:31:01 <Sacro> is the only guarantee 22:31:07 <TrueBrain> Sacro: not even that ;) 22:31:18 <Sacro> this is C++ not C 22:31:23 <TrueBrain> (talking about C89 btw, don't know about C++) 22:31:32 <SmatZ> hmm C++ has longlong? 22:31:37 <Sacro> not sure 22:31:45 <Sacro> but I know integer types aren't sized in the spec 22:31:50 <Sacro> float/double are 22:31:54 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: -32768 to 32767 I could've believed, but -32768 to 32768 definitely not (or they removed 0) 22:32:21 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: typo 22:32:25 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CECE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:32:35 <TrueBrain> "C. Unsafe because the parameters (value, low and high) can be changed within the method and then alter the actual parameters in the calling code." <- wtf? You have the method in front of you. So what kind of answer is this?! 22:32:59 <Sacro> Type short int (or simply short) is an integral type that is larger than or equal to the size of type char, and shorter than or equal to the size of type int. 22:33:03 <Sacro> from MSDN 22:33:07 <TrueBrain> You 'can' also cause a buffer overflow if you modify the method, and do all kind of weird shit, invalidating all of the above questions 22:33:34 <TrueBrain> C89 only mention 'short' as follow: 22:33:36 <TrueBrain> * minimum value for an object of type short int SHRT_MIN -32767 22:33:37 <TrueBrain> * maximum value for an object of type short int SHRT_MAX +32767 22:34:00 <Sacro> TrueBrain: C++ doesn't even mention sizes 22:34:14 <Terkhen> andythenorth: not much, I'm happy with how RVs perform in slopes now, but I still have to increase the acceleration code performance as it is probably way slower than the one at trunk (I also need to measure the code speed) 22:34:45 <planetmaker> It would be a nifty feature, Terkhen :-) 22:35:05 <TrueBrain> Sacro: and the last question is completely insane (in respect to the others) 22:35:13 <Terkhen> all HEQS vehicles besides the Camelback and the Fourtrac work now: these two are still getting 1 km/h when loaded in slopes 22:35:21 <TrueBrain> 4 of the 8 questions are 'broken' ... that should receive a something for that 22:35:56 <Sacro> last q is covered 22:35:59 <Sacro> in the module 22:36:05 <Terkhen> planetmaker: thanks, I hope to have the time to finish it these holidays 22:37:09 <planetmaker> The only point is: it's lot of work and most people / player won't appreciate it, I guess :-( 22:37:23 <planetmaker> like "vehicles work. So what?" 22:37:31 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 22:37:32 <planetmaker> the more: kudos! 22:39:04 <andythenorth> nah road vehicles are (slightly) broken. Large trucks should go slower up hills. I reckon players will get that :) 22:39:26 <andythenorth> Terkhen: I will look at those vehicles, not this weekend, but probably in the holidays 22:39:58 <planetmaker> andythenorth: I developed some prejudice agains common players ;-) 22:40:10 <andythenorth> I was playtesting RV acceleration, but getting a lot of OpenTTD crashes. 22:40:23 <andythenorth> I'm not sure if it was the nightly, RV acceleration, or a bad patch 22:40:30 <Sacro> TrueBrain: i can see questions 2 and 5 being wrong, what others? 22:40:36 <andythenorth> so I haven't reported it as I can't isolate the cause 22:41:08 <Terkhen> hmmm,,, report them at the patch thread so I can try them 22:41:13 <TrueBrain> Sacro: I named them above :p 22:41:19 <peter1138> my RV acceleration patch didn't crash 22:41:23 <planetmaker> andythenorth: did you try with the RV patch only? 22:41:27 <Terkhen> I'm going to upload an updated version anyways 22:41:59 <TrueBrain> Sacro: 4, 5, 6 and 8 22:42:06 <andythenorth> planetmaker: didn't try with RV patch only yet. My patch skills are very poor. I'm not sure how to revert to trunk correctly. Not a question for tonight though :P 22:42:13 <Terkhen> but it is strange, I never had a crash related to the patch in all of my test games 22:42:15 <TrueBrain> well, if you say 8 is acceptable, 3 out of 8 :p 22:42:22 <Sacro> 4? not 2? 22:42:29 <planetmaker> andythenorth: the answer is simple, though: hg revert * 22:42:30 <TrueBrain> 2, answer D, sounds fine 22:42:43 <Sacro> ah, but he reckons that the answer is B 22:42:46 <andythenorth> planetmaker: I have an svn checkout of OpenTTD :| 22:42:50 <TrueBrain> Sacro: his problem 22:42:53 <planetmaker> svn revert * 22:42:56 <planetmaker> ;-) 22:43:00 <TrueBrain> I have bigger problems with 4, 5 and 6 22:43:00 <Sacro> Yeah well, the lecturer is a twat 22:43:04 <Sacro> and head of the dept too 22:43:23 <TrueBrain> 4 and 6 because of the poorly worded english 22:43:38 <andythenorth> Terkhen: the crashes usually report cargotype.cpp, I haven't looked in the crash logs though 22:43:56 <andythenorth> I figured it was probably something I'd broken 22:43:59 *** xorkrus [~xopknet@92.46.175.52] has joined #openttd 22:44:05 <Terkhen> which revision? 22:44:22 <andythenorth> r18381 22:44:38 <andythenorth> (mac) 22:45:17 *** xopek [~xopknet@92.46.175.52] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:48:31 <andythenorth> ah the printer finished 22:48:32 <andythenorth> yay 22:48:49 <andythenorth> time for bed :D 22:48:57 <Terkhen> I'll test the patch using some industry GRFs, then 22:49:07 <Terkhen> good night andythenorth 22:49:09 <andythenorth> I was using FIRS 22:49:12 <andythenorth> (btw) 22:49:22 <Terkhen> okay, I'll start with that 22:49:58 <andythenorth> if it helps, I can try and isolate the problem when I have more free time, I suspect it's just something bad I've done when patching 22:50:10 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.89.69.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has left #openttd [] 23:05:36 *** xopek [xorkrus@ip-67-189.interbild.net] has joined #openttd 23:08:07 *** xopek [xorkrus@ip-67-189.interbild.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:09:08 <Terkhen> good night 23:09:11 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@82.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 23:09:22 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 23:12:01 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejc244.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 23:12:13 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:15:49 *** Chrill [~chrischri@80.216.60.117] has joined #openttd 23:17:31 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 540 seconds] 23:21:21 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9EEC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Die Nützlichkeit der Götter war schon immer eine zweifelhafte Sache. Man wusste nie so genau, wie man sie wirksam einsetzen konnte, ohne dass sie gleich b] 23:25:37 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:27:16 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [] 23:35:16 *** PhoenixII [ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 23:35:19 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:49:34 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18520 /trunk/src/ (music/allegro_m.h music/extmidi.cpp openttd.cpp): -Fix [FS#3272]: allegro doesn't like to work with extmidi; it causes 'random' (looks like a racing condition in allegro) crashes when songs are stopped.