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00:02:34 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:5ce4:438a:1:6031:7354:f7f:592] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:02:34 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 00:08:29 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 00:20:45 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 00:23:26 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:33:40 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 00:39:47 *** Jhs [~Jhs4@ti0068a380-0370.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:45:33 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i think i have an idea how to do double-track with 8 more map bits (5 more for track configurations, 3 more for path reservations) 00:46:54 <Eddi|zuHause> i'll see if i can write down a spec tomorrow... 00:57:52 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 01:00:27 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 01:00:59 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C862.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:06:40 <spader> ping 01:07:15 *** spader is now known as terinjokes 01:11:20 <Sacro> pong 01:11:27 <Eddi|zuHause> peng 01:20:05 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:21:13 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 01:22:07 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:4e34:1b71:1:a96b:2f02:25a8:2215] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 01:22:34 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-142-96.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:27:48 *** DarkED [~J@cpe-075-176-105-070.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 01:28:01 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:28:56 *** Chrill [~chrischri@80.216.60.117] has quit [Quit: I've got a feeling, that tonight's gunna be a.. sleepy night cus im tired] 01:35:21 *** Polygon [~Poly@n15-60.dsl.vianetworks.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 01:41:23 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:41:36 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 01:45:48 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-211-40.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:49:01 *** `Fuco`` [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:53:22 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:00:13 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 540 seconds] 02:07:12 *** worldemar [~woldemar@81.28.162.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:15:37 <Eddi|zuHause> ' 02:15:38 <Eddi|zuHause> KTorrent: 3.3 02:15:47 <Eddi|zuHause> brr 02:15:53 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 02:16:02 <Eddi|zuHause> where did that come from? 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10:00:33 <Alberth> you're in christmas mood? :) 10:01:08 <planetmaker> yes. 10:01:12 <Rubidium> yeah, in ttdpatch flags... it's always 0 though 10:01:22 <planetmaker> I try to hack a newgrf with snow in temperate. 10:01:38 <planetmaker> It's no problem to lower the snow line to 01. But it only shows in arctic... 10:01:57 <planetmaker> Rubidium: yeah, ok. I found that flag. I just wondered whether it can be modified by *some* means 10:02:01 <planetmaker> obviously not... 10:06:05 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: so what about using alpine instead? 10:06:37 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: abd the miniin had a "snow in temperate" patch 10:07:08 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think anyone ever updated that :p 10:07:38 <Eddi|zuHause> and the snow thaws until christmas anyway 10:09:47 <Alberth> why not make a santa claus home, and have a party at the arctic ? 10:10:09 <planetmaker> Well, yes, sure :-) That's probably what we're going to do. 10:10:19 <planetmaker> Still it needs lowering the snow line ;-) 10:20:00 <Eddi|zuHause> that's simple, just remove the parts of alpine that define the modified snow line 10:20:23 <Eddi|zuHause> not sure if it has a parameter 10:20:28 <Rubidium> or just replace all tiles with snowy tiles 10:21:21 *** terinjokes [~terin@ip72-196-123-143.ga.at.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:22:12 *** terinjokes [~terin@ip72-196-123-143.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #openttd 10:27:11 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 10:29:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r18599 /trunk/src/order_gui.cpp: -Fix: Displaying selected orders of a competitor vehicle was broken, disable the selection. 10:29:17 <Eddi|zuHause> what always annoys me: fields are destroyed even by light snow, instead it should show snowy fields 10:30:16 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 10:30:50 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [] 10:32:00 <planetmaker> replacing all tiles with snow seems easier... or like a revised alpine w/o the industry stuff 10:32:27 <planetmaker> and re-using temperate tile sprites in arctic. easiest solution, I think 10:33:13 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-5d8220f4.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:39:24 <Eddi|zuHause> like i said a few days ago, removing industries from alpine is simple 10:39:57 <Eddi|zuHause> juat replace sprite 1160 with an unconditional jump to the end of the file 10:40:22 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d57d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:40:35 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: certainly. But I may then not distribute the newgrf 10:40:54 <planetmaker> But... needing it for the PublicServer, I certainly need that permission. So... 10:41:42 <planetmaker> And it shouldn't be that hard to just do a simple sprite replacement... *should* 10:49:34 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 10:51:49 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm109.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:52:25 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [] 10:54:17 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:4e34:1b71:1:94f8:4b7f:9447:7a89] has joined #openttd 10:58:05 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm109.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 10:58:22 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:12:36 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F2CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:14:25 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@188.109.244.80] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:15:17 *** kratt [~kratt@80-235-49-243-dsl.kjj.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 11:15:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r18600 /trunk/src/order_gui.cpp: -Fix (r18599): Re-enable ctl+click to jump to competitor station. 11:15:44 <kratt> ammler u here? 11:22:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r18601 /trunk/src/order_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Use resize step of the order list panel widget for order line calculations. 11:24:34 <kratt> can some1 give me example of NFO of a train 11:27:05 *** Timmaexx [~quassel@port-92-192-13-198.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 11:27:22 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-72f3e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 11:35:27 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:53:35 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm109.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:54:48 <planetmaker> ... 11:55:57 <Zuu> ... 11:56:16 <Zuu> (no idea what you were talking about though :-p ) 11:56:52 <planetmaker> kratt: you had one yesterday already with the logic train. 11:57:08 <planetmaker> and the TTDP newgrf wiki has another. 11:57:14 <planetmaker> Boy, start to *read*! 11:57:48 <planetmaker> and hello Zuu :-) 11:57:54 <Zuu> hello pm 11:58:02 <Zuu> going to eat food now though. 11:58:13 * planetmaker , too :-) 11:58:17 <planetmaker> enjoy 12:04:14 <kratt> grfcodec makes my thing to .bak 12:10:01 <Ammler> bak=backup 12:15:08 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm109.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 12:30:26 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@15.156.206-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 12:37:12 <kratt> i dont know where to add those speed thingys 12:37:29 <kratt> 13 * 7 00 00 01 01 16 12 FD 12:41:18 <kratt> where do i need add the speed and weight 12:42:27 <kratt> http://pastebin.org/67740 12:42:30 <Alberth> read the docs, experiment 12:42:44 <kratt> i read the docs 12:42:51 <kratt> i just dont know where to add that thingy 12:43:09 <Ammler> try to comment every single byte 12:47:46 <kratt> it worked 12:47:47 <kratt> but 12:47:56 <kratt> it has wrong name 12:48:18 <kratt> and it seems it is replacing SH125 12:48:48 <Alberth> so perhaps you changed the wrong byte 12:49:40 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 12:50:10 <kratt> where i can change that vehicle ID 12:50:53 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18602 /trunk/src/ (texteff.cpp viewport.cpp viewport_func.h viewport_type.h): 12:50:53 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: unify the viewport sign and text effect drawing 12:50:53 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix [FS#3394]: signs could occasionally glitch 12:52:41 <kratt> However, if you're doing this for one of your files, you have to choose your own GRFID of course because 54 57 03 05 is reserved for the file we're making in this tutorial. 12:52:54 <kratt> i need to change GRFID? 12:54:45 <Alberth> yes, each NewGRF has its own unique ID 12:55:12 <edeca> Hrm, what are you supposed to do when you have £180 million in the bank and no way to spend it :) 12:55:24 <Alberth> leave it where it is :) 12:55:37 <edeca> Sadly, I mean the OTTD bank! 12:55:38 <Rubidium> donate to the OpenTTD project 12:55:43 <edeca> Heh heh 12:55:52 <edeca> Rubidium: Do you take donations? 12:55:56 <edeca> s/you/the project/ 12:56:19 <Alberth> http://www.openttd.org/en/donate 12:56:27 <Rubidium> yup, for the hosting costs 12:56:46 <Rubidium> which includes the compile farm 12:57:05 <Rubidium> or more "farm", cause it's just a bunch of virtual machines 12:57:11 <edeca> Paypal to owen@owenrudge etc 12:57:12 <Alberth> but for a few millions, we could setup a foundation to promote transport games or so :) 12:57:35 <Rubidium> Alberth: or just buy the rights to Transport Tycoon Deluxe :) 12:57:51 <edeca> That paypal address is correct? 12:58:10 <Rubidium> it should be 12:58:11 <edeca> Rubidium: Has anybody actually asked the original company if they care about it any more? I guess they don't if they are not suing :) 12:58:35 <Rubidium> they don't care enough to figure out who actually owns it 12:58:36 <edeca> Merry Christmas OpenTTD project. Not a few million I'm afraid, but it should help 12:59:14 <kratt> 14 * 18 04 00 7F 01 "XLev5 'Gator' (Electric)" 00 12:59:20 <kratt> this wont work 12:59:33 <kratt> but it should change name 13:04:58 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:3514:efd4:9640:434] has joined #openttd 13:05:01 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:06:19 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 13:12:48 <edeca> Woop, I love it when the AI builds roads straight across my high speed line and runs ~20 busses along it 13:14:34 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 13:34:06 <Xaroth> free fireworks, provided by your friendly neighbourhood AI :) 13:35:10 <Zuu> The drivers maybe want some excitment in their jobs. :-) 13:37:26 *** Timmaexx [~quassel@port-92-192-13-198.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:39:15 <edeca> Hrm, industry expiration in FIRS seems odd. They just disappear! 13:41:01 *** lewymati [~lewymati@host-89-230-139-242.inowroclaw.mm.pl] has joined #openttd 13:48:04 <Belugas> hello 13:48:05 *** kratt [~kratt@80-235-49-243-dsl.kjj.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: Java user signed off] 13:49:06 <edeca> Hi Belugas 13:51:03 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:4e34:1b71:1:94f8:4b7f:9447:7a89] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 13:57:15 *** lewymati [~lewymati@host-89-230-139-242.inowroclaw.mm.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:10:09 *** kratt [~kratt@80-235-49-243-dsl.kjj.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 14:10:16 <kratt> hey 14:10:22 <kratt> i got it working 14:10:26 <kratt> but i got problem now 14:10:37 <kratt> it wont take that .pcx i told him to take 14:11:04 <Zuu> Hi Belugas 14:11:13 <kratt> http://pastebin.org/67773 14:11:15 <kratt> check this out 14:11:42 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 14:11:43 <kratt> i want to change it to double headed train 14:13:29 <Ammler> renum before grfcodec 14:14:43 <kratt> i renumed 14:14:44 <kratt> no error 14:14:50 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@89.246.213.189] has joined #openttd 14:14:59 <kratt> http://pastebin.org/67773 14:15:17 <kratt> i got the train working 14:15:22 <kratt> but it is with wrong sprite 14:17:02 <kratt> is that possible because missing action2 14:19:51 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff386.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:21:26 <planetmaker> quak :-) 14:21:58 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.177.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:25:42 <frosch123> moin 14:25:50 * frosch123 ponders downgrading to ff 3.x 14:25:55 <frosch123> well, < 3.5 14:28:50 <planetmaker> hm... why? 14:29:48 <frosch123> it freezes often for several seconds 14:30:17 <planetmaker> hm... true. It does for me, too 14:30:19 <frosch123> they blame hyperthreading (though i wonder how you can blame the cpu) and plugins (which i disabled) 14:30:33 <planetmaker> But I don't recall... I thought it happend with 3.x irrespective of x 14:30:44 <frosch123> for me it started with 3.5 14:31:25 <planetmaker> more annoying is that the flash plugin is leaking like hell 14:31:32 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:31:33 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 14:31:40 <planetmaker> It's continuously eating more CPU, for certain pages using it. 14:31:53 <planetmaker> just for having that page open in the browser 14:32:17 <planetmaker> well... if it is a plugin. Didn't check really 14:34:17 <kratt> do i run renum and save file, then encode 14:34:29 <kratt> or renum, dont save, then encode 14:34:50 <planetmaker> renum re-writes the file. No need for save 14:35:06 <frosch123> you should save before renum 14:35:19 <planetmaker> except you tell it to not overwrite. And of course what frosch sais 14:35:28 <planetmaker> says? sais? 14:35:35 <peter1138> raaaa 14:35:38 <kratt> so 14:35:40 <peter1138> my new router... returned 14:41:41 <Xaroth> uh oh 14:41:52 <Belugas> did not find the route to the router manufacturer? 14:42:00 <peter1138> via the retailer, yeah 14:44:40 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:47:11 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@176.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 14:49:09 <kratt> neeeed some help please 14:49:16 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@15.156.206-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:49:25 <kratt> http://pastebin.org/67790 14:51:23 <Zuu> kratt: You could at least write down your question. Then maybe someone will help you if they know the answer. 14:54:46 <kratt> i have 8 sprites 14:54:54 <kratt> but it makes 14 sprites 14:55:14 <kratt> is the queue wrong 14:56:12 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 14:57:04 <kratt> Warning: Found 14 more sprites than sprite 0 reports.:100%, Redundancy:100% 14:58:37 <frosch123> maybe you encoded the wrong file 15:02:26 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:06:11 *** kratt [~kratt@80-235-49-243-dsl.kjj.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: Java user signed off] 15:07:58 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 15:18:00 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF96EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:22:31 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@89.246.213.189] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:24:42 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@176.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:24:44 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@21.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 15:29:20 <edeca> Should articulated vehicles overtake other vehicles, like normal road vehicles do? 15:31:22 <Rubidium> no, I hate lorry drivers overtaking on the highway 15:32:31 <edeca> Haha 15:32:37 <edeca> Should they in the game? :) 15:34:33 <Zuu> I don't mind lorry drivers that overtake. 15:35:03 <Zuu> I do mind lorry drivers that do not care to have good tires on snow though. 15:35:13 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:4e34:1b71:1:911e:6f09:44ed:5f50] has joined #openttd 15:43:03 <edeca> In OpenTTD, should articulated road vehicles overtake other road vehicles if they are slower? 15:45:47 <Alberth> edeca: If I vote yes, will you make it happen? 15:45:52 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-72f3e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:46:08 <edeca> Alberth: Well that was my point, is it something that they should do already or something that they can't do? 15:46:21 <edeca> I had noticed they weren't and didn't know if it was a bug or wishlist item 15:47:55 <Alberth> afaik it is what they do at this moment. 15:48:13 <Alberth> depending on your point of view, it is ok, a wish, or a bug. 15:48:39 *** mode/#openttd [+v Rubidium] by ChanServ 15:48:52 <edeca> OK, thank you. 15:51:29 <Alberth> most likely, it is quite non-trivial to implement. 15:51:46 <Rubidium> ofcourse... if you would have searched by the tracker you would have had the answer 15:53:26 <Alberth> that would be too easy :p 15:58:51 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-82-26-159-234.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:02:07 <edeca> Rubidium: I'll try that next time, apologies 16:12:02 <orudge> edeca: thanks for the donation :) 16:12:27 <Xaroth> o/ orudge 16:25:28 * Belugas is bored... but bored... so bored... 16:26:36 <Belugas> i can't code, i can't listen to music,i can't do a thing but waiting for the guy to tell me the amount ant transaction type. and give him the slip afterward 16:26:40 <Belugas> so .... boring... 16:28:57 *** FooBar [~FooBar@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: make clean && exit - http.//dev.openttdcoop.org] 16:29:21 *** Ammler [~ammler@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:29:22 *** rellig [~quassel@minad.de] has joined #openttd 16:29:39 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Bye - http.//dev.openttdcoop.org] 16:30:32 *** FooBar [~FooBar@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 16:31:02 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 16:31:09 *** rellig_107 [~quassel@minad.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:31:10 *** Ammler [~ammler@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 16:31:39 <edeca> orudge: Welcome, it's CHristmas! 16:59:23 <welshdragon> what's the record for the highest train climb? 16:59:37 <welshdragon> i may well have beaten it 17:01:20 <Alberth> Belugas: you have read all tt-forum? 17:01:40 <pavel1269> why there would be such a dumb record? 17:02:01 <Alberth> we have records for practically everything you can imagine 17:02:20 <SpComb^> Mui. 17:03:11 <Alberth> and what's worse, there are also records for things you'd never imagine 17:03:33 <planetmaker> Alberth: I guess he has a good and long-lasting memory. Probably his feminine side :-P 17:04:24 <Belugas> Alberth, yeah.. sadly 17:04:55 *** Timmaexx [~quassel@port-92-192-13-198.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 17:05:26 <Alberth> so not much to do but dream of free days at chrismas, I guess 17:05:45 <Belugas> yeah... 25, 26,26, 28 17:05:53 <Belugas> pfffffff 17:06:28 <Alberth> we could have a useless discussion about regions in ottd 17:07:24 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B2B8B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Icebears are cute. Please, take care of them!] 17:07:28 <Sacro> hmm, openttd makes pulseaudio go all crackly 17:08:02 <Alberth> I believe that is a known issue, mentioned in the readme 17:08:17 <Sacro> well fix it 17:09:10 <planetmaker> read the readme, Sacro ;-) 17:09:25 <Alberth> doing some code restructuring in stacked widgets atm 17:09:50 <planetmaker> iirc it will tell you 'not our problem' 17:09:51 <Sacro> 'pulse' not found 17:10:05 <planetmaker> then maybe the FAQ or whatever. 17:10:09 <planetmaker> known bugs list 17:10:13 <Alberth> reading != searching :p 17:10:19 <planetmaker> hehe 17:10:51 <Sacro> ah, fixed it 17:10:52 <frosch123> http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/browser/trunk/known-bugs.txt#L141 <- easy as pie 17:10:58 <Sacro> well, boded it 17:11:02 <Sacro> *bodged 17:11:05 <Sacro> but i stopped the crackles 17:11:38 <Sacro> SDL_AUDIODRIVER=esd to the rescue 17:12:01 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B2B8B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:12:02 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 17:12:02 * Sacro is a genious 17:12:27 <orudge> a genius, perhaps? 17:13:31 <frosch123> genius in what? starting with W ? 17:14:48 <Belugas> Alberth, i'd love to. But i can't (as you can see from the lags between interventions) sustain a normal conversation :( 17:15:55 <Alberth> that's fine, then I can do coding + waiting for the compiler :) 17:16:33 *** lobstar is now known as lobster 17:17:16 <Alberth> ok, is regions about having primary industry only at some locations, or is it bigger? 17:20:51 <planetmaker> Regions are mainly about different base tiles and house newgrf usage :-) 17:22:41 <Alberth> Right, now if only I understood what you just said :) 17:23:11 <planetmaker> :-P You wanted a useless discussions about regions in OpenTTD...? 17:23:31 <planetmaker> Thus I made a semi-randome statement concerning them. 17:23:34 <planetmaker> -e 17:23:44 <Alberth> that's fine 17:24:13 <Alberth> apparently I have a very different idea about what it is than you have. 17:24:16 <planetmaker> oh. And town name grfs could be region-specific 17:24:17 <edeca> planetmaker: So you could have an area of desert, an area of swamps etc? 17:24:29 <planetmaker> edeca: that's what I'd like to see, yes 17:24:30 <edeca> "Verywethampton" 17:24:32 <Alberth> I'd be interested in learning about your regions idea 17:24:42 <edeca> "Ratherhotun" 17:24:44 <planetmaker> Alberth: you know Yexo's regions repository? 17:25:32 <planetmaker> Something along those lines. A tile(?) town(?) would belong to a certain region. Depending on the region it belongs to, different newgrf apply 17:25:42 <Alberth> no, but I have seen a picture with japanese houses quite some time ago 17:25:50 <planetmaker> Of course it cannot apply to vehicles... 17:26:09 <edeca> planetmaker: Vehicles could be designed to work better in different climates 17:26:16 <edeca> planetmaker: Or you could outfit them for certain regions 17:26:23 <edeca> planetmaker: And they could break down more if you don't 17:26:40 <planetmaker> well... that'd be too complicated IMO. At least to start with. 17:26:58 <edeca> Yes, that's far too complicated I Agree 17:27:07 <planetmaker> And I wouldn't really prefer that. Track is track and road is road... until there are rail and road types ;-) 17:27:10 <Alberth> buses would come to mind :) they'll have to turn around at the region border 17:27:53 <planetmaker> Alberth: I wouldn't go that far... I'd leave that up to the player. I mean... I can cross regions w/o changing the mode of transportation. Just hit the road and done 17:27:58 <planetmaker> Mostly I consider it eye candy. 17:28:11 <edeca> planetmaker: I wouldn't like it either, I was just talking nonsense 17:28:12 <planetmaker> It'd become more complicated, if it would also have an influence on the industries 17:28:37 <planetmaker> But it'd allow something like a Europe scenario, reaching from the North cape to Sicily 17:28:55 <Ammler> wwottdgd/1 :-) 17:28:57 <edeca> On a 4096x4096 map :P 17:29:12 <planetmaker> With arctic in the North and Swedish houses, temperate in the middle and maybe default houses and tropical stuff in the South and... Dunno-whatever-houses 17:29:36 <Alberth> I was thinking more along the lines of limiting vertain types of industry to some parts of the map 17:29:38 <planetmaker> Would make for interesting scenarios, if you'd assigne regions to different players or so. 17:30:05 <planetmaker> Alberth: well... I'd consider that in the scope of newgrfs, not of OpenTTD itself. 17:30:22 <Alberth> good point 17:30:23 <planetmaker> A newgrf might then query the base tile type, though. 17:30:34 <planetmaker> And it would effictively result in the same 17:31:05 <planetmaker> Like: build on desert, close to the shore. Build in temperate near mountain or so. That can (mostly) be done already 17:31:25 <planetmaker> "near mountain" might be difficult, but I haven't looked into the placement codes of industries so far. 17:32:28 <planetmaker> What *might* be interesting are to define then region properties like "mountanous", "shore", "desert" or alike - a bit beyond the current climate differences. 17:33:08 <planetmaker> If that'd be exposed to newgrfs - yes, that'd might make for interesting placement of mines, say, preferentially in the mountains, refineries near the coast (as opposed to the map border or so) 17:33:11 <Alberth> so what is a base tile type? is that like the water tile, or coast tile? 17:33:28 <planetmaker> Well... I'd consider it for now the climate bits of the map array 17:33:42 <frosch123> there are three tropic zones in subtropic 17:34:03 <planetmaker> and water tile, coast tile, that's the more detailed information which need not be touched, I think, for this purpose. 17:34:08 <planetmaker> But... 17:34:20 <planetmaker> frosch123: yes. But they all make sense to be distinct. 17:34:33 <planetmaker> and would make sense to be distinct in a regional concept. 17:34:52 <planetmaker> so... a bit more than "climate". You're right. 17:34:53 <frosch123> well, desert is far from water, and rainforest is somewhat hilly iirc 17:35:01 <planetmaker> But, those are the same bits, or do I err? 17:35:02 <frosch123> one could define similiar regions for other climates 17:35:07 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-5d8220f4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: bis dann] 17:35:11 <planetmaker> frosch123: yes, exactly :-) 17:35:29 <frosch123> the fourth zone is already defines as snowy 17:36:16 <planetmaker> snowy desert :-) 17:36:34 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:39:10 <SpComb^> George: ping 17:39:24 <SpComb^> silly idlers 17:42:38 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:43:13 <planetmaker> SpComb^: you could use it by asking the question in the same line you highlight him... 17:43:24 *** weaselboy246 [~weaselboy@67-54-241-148.cust.wildblue.net] has joined #openttd 17:43:26 <planetmaker> and then he might respond when he's online... 17:45:19 *** Timmaexx [~quassel@port-92-192-13-198.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:45:59 <SpComb^> perhaps 17:46:23 <SpComb^> but wow, OpenTTD works surprisingly well when played over GPRS/flaky-EDGE 17:49:20 <orudge> I remember the days when I would play OpenTTD over 56K! 17:49:33 <orudge> apart from the Internet being disconnected every 2 hours, it generally worked quite well 17:49:52 <peter1138> hmm 17:49:54 <SpComb^> I'm sure it would work ever better if I had a stable EDGE connection 17:50:02 <SpComb^> but it seems difficult to find one 17:50:23 *** kratt [~kaka@80-235-49-243-dsl.kjj.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 17:51:08 <kratt> i want to ask how many action there must be to .grf to work 17:52:26 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 17:52:38 <Belugas> if i remember correctly, 2 17:53:29 <Belugas> 7 and 8 17:55:13 <frosch123> 7? 17:55:13 <glx> only 8 is required 17:56:07 <planetmaker> ^ 17:56:13 <kratt> mh 17:56:29 <planetmaker> one example is our advertising newgrf which gives the version of our grfpack used. But nothing else 17:56:54 <Alberth> Belugas: regions moved into an unexpected direction, and took off with PM explaining it all :) 17:57:12 <kratt> lets say i want to get a grf from trg1 17:57:34 <kratt> i got the grf i want, but when encodeing, it says it has 14 sprites instead of 8 17:57:41 <kratt> what causes that 17:58:24 <planetmaker> I don't see an error in what you posted in the forums, pasted here before and asked here before 17:58:39 <planetmaker> fr0sch's guess that you grfcodec the wrong file is still gone unanswered. 17:59:03 <Belugas> Alberthm that's nice to know :) 17:59:41 <planetmaker> I basically outlined 2 years of work :-P 17:59:42 <Belugas> i had a vision of regions, yexo had another one. but he went further then me, since i've got only vaporware 17:59:46 <kratt> its not in a wrong file 18:00:05 <Belugas> while yexo has an active git repo 18:00:37 <kratt> im doing it like in tutorial in wiki 18:00:42 <kratt> getting the sprites 18:00:55 <Alberth> And haven't got to the point of having vaporware :) 18:01:06 <Alberth> planetmaker: that didn't stop me before :p 18:01:25 <planetmaker> :-) And it's very much appreciated. 18:01:33 <Alberth> s/And/And I/ 18:01:50 <planetmaker> I just wanted to stall the comment like "you don't know for how much you ask" or that way ;-) 18:01:58 <kratt> if i have double headed train 18:02:08 <planetmaker> kratt: try a single headed first. 18:02:32 <kratt> i got single headed to work 18:02:37 <kratt> but 2 headed is not working 18:02:47 <kratt> im using sprites 3001-3008 18:03:04 <planetmaker> Belugas: what was your vision of regions? 18:03:05 <Alberth> I probably don't, much like with the gui thing. On the other hand, I am in no hurry to finish :) 18:03:24 <kratt> do i need to set Action0 to set that train is double headed 18:03:39 <planetmaker> well, Alberth it's for the joy of doing it... that's important, I think. 18:03:59 <Alberth> exactly :) 18:04:45 <Alberth> although some people think you are crazy when you say you spent your summer holiday doing code refactoring :D 18:04:58 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 18:05:14 <planetmaker> But then other people do completely different things which are crazy in their own kind, too 18:05:22 <planetmaker> it's a matter of perspective, I guess 18:06:02 <planetmaker> like two weeks on caffeine, trying to teach teens something about astronomy... teaching at the day, star gazing in the night. No time for sleep :-P 18:06:23 <Alberth> sounds like fun :) 18:06:30 <planetmaker> it is :-) 18:07:39 <planetmaker> kratt: have a look at the source of the 2cc trainset. It might have that problem solved *somewhere* 18:07:55 <Alberth> hmm, with hg, patch-files end up in the weirdest places :) 18:08:09 <planetmaker> hu? How so...? 18:08:13 <Alberth> s/in/at/ 18:08:22 *** weaselboy246 [~weaselboy@67-54-241-148.cust.wildblue.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:08:24 <Alberth> I have one in my bin folder 18:08:37 <planetmaker> that is indeed *very* strange 18:08:55 <planetmaker> I'd say they only appear where you put them, though ;-) 18:09:56 <Alberth> one of the nice things of hg is that you can type hg commands at any point in the working dir, and the result is always the same. With svn you can do most things only in the root. 18:10:30 *** weaselboy246 [~weaselboy@67-54-241-148.cust.wildblue.net] has joined #openttd 18:10:45 <kratt> 2cc 18:11:02 <kratt> ill try to decode that grf 18:11:24 <planetmaker> yup, indeed. I basically switched as it allows me to work offline... and I don't need to connect to the server for each revision change 18:11:32 <planetmaker> kratt: I said source. Not a de-compiled version 18:11:39 <Ammler> :-D 18:11:40 <planetmaker> You'll fail surely to understand the latter 18:12:28 <Alberth> and every now and then I use the wrong shell for doing hg things :) 18:12:35 <planetmaker> I have even troubles to understand some parts of the commented source. Even as I wrote or rather re-wrote a few pieces of it. 18:13:01 <planetmaker> he, you use different shells? 18:13:12 <planetmaker> That sounds... confusing to me :-) 18:13:54 <Alberth> no, one at the root (for 'make'), one at 'src' (for 'gvim file'), and one at bin (for './openttd') 18:14:10 <Belugas> planetmaker : it is more related to geological regions, more than climatic ones. The thing is, coal mines should be confined in a certain area, and diamond should be too, since they are kinda closely related. 18:14:17 <Alberth> switching shells is easier than typing cd all the time 18:14:41 <planetmaker> Belugas: well... mostly I consider industry placement a newgrf thing :-) - it is after all already implemented there. 18:15:01 <planetmaker> Alberth: you just meant different windows? Ok, then I got it wrong. I surely do that, too 18:15:06 <Belugas> it all came when i wanted to define an easier way for grfs to know if they are near water or not... 18:15:18 <Belugas> planetmaker, i don't think grf is related to regions 18:15:31 <Belugas> youi could have industries withouth grfs using regions 18:15:41 <Belugas> after all, it's just another method of placement 18:15:44 <planetmaker> Belugas: yes, that'd be nice. But IMO it could be a tiny extension of the climate bits. Similar to how destert / rain forest is defined in tropical 18:16:00 <planetmaker> And yes, grfs related to region would really be nice :-) 18:16:04 <Belugas> i don't see the relationship with climates 18:16:15 <planetmaker> same thing, just a bit finer grained 18:16:15 <Belugas> linking then would just ruin the benefits 18:16:25 <planetmaker> not really. 18:16:39 <planetmaker> you could have temperate mountainous. temperate plains, temperate shores 18:16:44 <planetmaker> voila, there you go 18:17:00 <planetmaker> and it'd even make sense to apply different ground tiles, depending on the region definition 18:17:06 <Belugas> well... i think i know what you have in mind. not the same thing as me 18:17:20 <Belugas> i was far more concerned about the unerground than the upperground 18:17:27 <planetmaker> he... :-) I think yours is just a sub-set of my idea :-P 18:17:43 <planetmaker> But then I have the feeling that I might have not quite understood your idea 18:17:54 <Belugas> after all, the upperground is just modeled by erosion and stuff, while underground is the actual basement of country, and therefor is less sensible to changes 18:18:25 <Belugas> no, in deed... in such a few words, we might not get a clean idea of each other's thoughs 18:18:37 * Alberth is sure he didn't understand what PM proposes :) 18:19:10 <Alberth> but the discussion is interesting nonetheless 18:19:31 <planetmaker> well... just *some* means to make grfs dependent on regions. 18:20:03 <planetmaker> The details on the *how* to... oh well... I might have some idea, but it's not necessarily based on the best of knowledge of the internals around in this channel 18:30:13 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@189.154.206-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 18:33:50 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B775D5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 18:34:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18603 /trunk/src/ (lang/english.txt music_gui.cpp strings.cpp strings_type.h): -Codechange: move getting the song name to music_gui.cpp 18:35:18 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B756F9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:36:12 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F2CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:41:06 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@21.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 18:45:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r18604 /trunk/src/lang/ (11 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 18:45:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: croatian - 36 changes by 18:45:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 1 changes by habell 18:45:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: finnish - 1 changes by jpx_ 18:45:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: french - 1 changes by glx 18:45:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 1 changes by planetmaker 18:48:07 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@31.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 18:48:44 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host81-135-85-113.range81-135.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:48:56 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbaa062.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:59:11 *** Alberth1 [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:59:11 *** Alberth is now known as Guest18 18:59:11 *** Alberth1 is now known as Alberth 19:02:11 *** Guest18 [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:04:00 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:12:38 *** weaselboy246 [~weaselboy@67-54-241-148.cust.wildblue.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:16:17 *** kratt [~kaka@80-235-49-243-dsl.kjj.estpak.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:16:25 *** kratt [~kaka@80-235-51-162-dsl.kjj.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 19:21:35 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 19:40:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r18605 /trunk/src/ (company_gui.cpp order_gui.cpp widget.cpp): -Codechange: Coding style fixes, prevent useless calls to UpdateWidgetSize(). 19:41:05 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:41:23 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 19:48:03 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!] 19:57:43 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@31.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 19:58:29 *** wito [~wito@25.244.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 19:58:45 <wito> Yo 20:01:09 <wito> Anyone here familiar with ECS? 20:02:10 <Belugas> some, i'm sure 20:02:22 <wito> I'm having a problem where the scenario editor quite simply refuses to let me build a bank 20:02:26 <wito> ECS bank, that is 20:02:37 <wito> town size; check 20:02:41 <wito> clicked on a house; check 20:02:52 <wito> inside Tz0, check 20:03:30 <wito> No nearby goldmines, check 20:03:46 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@189.154.206-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:06:44 <Belugas> "You have a problem With ECS" thread in forum checked? 20:08:03 <wito> Checked; check 20:08:21 <wito> and I've spent about half an hour googling it 20:08:35 <wito> but I have also been able to determine that it seems to be a newgrf conflict 20:09:35 <Belugas> which is way more than the usual users... 20:10:00 <Belugas> you just do not know which grfs are conflicting 20:10:40 <Belugas> best way to go: remove all but ecs and retry 20:10:45 <wito> well, that works 20:10:53 <wito> that's how I figured out it was a grf conflict. :p 20:10:57 <Belugas> ttrs? 20:11:29 <planetmaker> or asked differently: what other newgrfs do you have? 20:11:35 <Belugas> lol 20:11:45 <wito> I'm suspecting the suburban renewal kit 20:11:56 <wito> SRH 20:12:08 <planetmaker> I would wonder, if sub-urban did anything with industry... 20:12:14 <planetmaker> SRH? 20:12:41 <wito> suburban renewal houses 20:12:57 <Belugas> have you tried it all alone? 20:12:58 <planetmaker> oh, yes. suburban renewal I understood ;-) 20:13:20 <planetmaker> and just suburban and ECS 20:13:45 <planetmaker> trial & error is the "usual" way to test... we cannot do much better :-) 20:14:01 <Belugas> well... yes... we could run in debug mode... 20:14:05 <planetmaker> except knowledge... which would be gained from such experience. 20:14:19 <Belugas> but.. hey... that's not somehting i can do right now :S 20:14:21 <planetmaker> well... but debuging is kinda "trying", too :-) 20:14:46 <Belugas> just not blind trying 20:14:49 <planetmaker> me neither... too tired. I guess I'll just watch another episode of big bang theory and hit the couch 20:16:22 <wito> well, I have it down to three 20:19:45 <planetmaker> do tell :-) 20:20:15 <wito> actually 20:20:17 <wito> I have it down to one 20:20:44 <wito> if any house sets are loaded before ECS Town, they cause the blocking 20:22:19 <wito> or so, at least, it would seem 20:22:34 <Belugas> George is quite a coder. God knows what was his idea behind that 20:23:04 <Belugas> if evr he is aware of it.. 20:24:30 <wito> well, the bank has to be built on a building, yeah? 20:24:48 <wito> and grfs need to be above grfs that want to be aware of them 20:25:15 <wito> so it stands to reason that the Town grf doesn't see later loaded building sets as houses, or something 20:25:48 <Belugas> Ask George ;) 20:25:54 <Belugas> I can't speak on his behalf 20:26:44 <wito> and it seems it refuses to work reliably 20:27:32 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF96EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:35:19 <wito> oh well, got it working well enough 20:35:27 <wito> thanks for your help, anyways. :) 20:39:38 *** gathers [~gathers@c80-216-141-218.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 20:43:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r18606 /trunk/src/ (8 files): -Codechange: Introduce several forms of zero-size stacked display planes. 20:45:35 <George> wito: I can't reproduce your problem in R 18545 20:45:55 *** Gremnon [~Gremnon@87.112.14.85.plusnet.ptn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 20:45:55 <George> Please PM me more information about the problem 20:46:16 <George> The scenarion, where you can't build it 20:46:21 <wito> As I see it, houses from foreign housing sets are not treated as houses 20:46:29 <George> and the list of GRFs 20:46:31 <wito> so banks aren't allowed to be built on top of them 20:46:52 <George> I can build it here 20:47:04 <wito> yes, some sets allow it, some don't 20:47:11 *** Gremnon [~Gremnon@87.112.14.85.plusnet.ptn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [] 20:47:23 <George> I tried TTRS, swedish houses 20:47:47 <wito> The ones I've had problems with are the SRH, NACS, ECSH 20:47:48 <George> I found and dounloaded http://users.tt-forums.net/pikka/wiki/index.php?title=Suburban_Renewal_Set 20:48:26 <wito> that'd be the one 20:53:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r18607 /trunk/src/ (window.cpp window_gui.h): -Fix (r18583): Preserve window width when shading. 20:56:57 <kratt> okay 20:57:07 <kratt> what action do i need to use to make new vehicle 20:57:10 <kratt> not to replace it 20:58:07 <George> Confirmed. 20:58:40 <frosch123> use a vehicle id larger than those of original engines 20:58:46 <George> I do not have any code in ECS that should control the set 20:58:59 <kratt> are you sure frosch`? 20:59:07 <kratt> do i need add action1 also then? 20:59:08 <George> So, it shold be reported as a bug 20:59:48 <frosch123> if you want to add a *new* vehicle, you have to provde everything, all properties, all graphics 21:00:37 <frosch123> if you want to duplicate an old vehicle, you have to load some set like "old wagons, new cargos" and enable "multiple newgrf engine sets" in advanced settings 21:00:53 <George> wito: please report at http://bugs.openttd.org/ 21:01:33 <wito> George: Wouldn't it be an ECS bug, not an OTTD bug? 21:01:47 <George> no 21:01:54 <edeca> Somewhere on the wiki is a diagram of the basic 4 track main line, does anybody know where it is? 21:02:50 <wito> there might be similar problems with other housing sets; 21:02:57 <wito> specifically ECSH 21:04:18 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm109.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:04:37 <frosch123> i assume it is the old issue with houses disallowing destruction when trying to fund an industry, which was fixed ingame, but might not work in SE 21:16:29 <frosch123> sometimes the SE tries to remove houses as OWNER_TOWN, sometimes as OWNER_NONE. Only the latter may remove protected houses. 21:22:57 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejk44.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 21:23:14 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-76-19-211-40.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:23:25 <PeterT> Are there multiple ways to compile on Linux? 21:23:37 <PeterT> Other than the simple 'open terminal' 21:23:41 <PeterT> 'type commands' 21:23:53 <PeterT> Some kind of GUI? Like MSVC on Windows? 21:23:53 <Alberth> have a script 21:23:58 <PeterT> Ah yes 21:24:05 <edeca> There aren't many ready packaged GUIs 21:24:12 <edeca> VMware does it fairly well in my opinion 21:24:15 <PeterT> What would the script contain, though? 21:24:25 <edeca> Exactly the same commands you would type :) 21:24:26 <PeterT> "./configure && make" 21:24:29 <PeterT> then run that? 21:24:31 <Alberth> script is much better, you can call it from other scripts 21:24:33 <edeca> With some error checking, of course 21:25:17 <PeterT> Alberth: Thanks for fixing up my wiki page 21:25:40 <thingwath> There is CMake-gui. I guess that a tool for autoconf & lookalike would look almost same. 21:26:26 *** lewymati is now known as lewymati|afk 21:26:30 <Alberth> PeterT yw 21:26:58 <Alberth> PeterT: my 'update hg repo's and view + re-compile new version: http://paste.openttd.org/220691 21:27:33 <Alberth> thingwath: gui is bad, you cannot automate clicking 21:27:42 <Rubidium> monkeys! 21:27:57 <thingwath> Well, you can. Just emulate X events. 21:28:08 <thingwath> :) 21:28:18 <PeterT> Alberth: Interesting 21:28:24 <PeterT> Why do you use HG Trunk? 21:28:58 <Alberth> hg_trunk is my 'master' local hg copy from which I clone branches. 21:28:58 <frosch123> wito, george: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2420 <- looks intentional 21:29:31 <Alberth> 'play' is a clean copy from hg_trunk with a ready-to-play binary for testing purposes 21:30:05 <Alberth> I also have a handful other clones for development, but I update them manually 21:30:07 <thingwath> And, honestly, I like cmake-gui, I can set everything for configure much easily, typing configure --help and then scrolling back and forward and copying parameters is boring. :) 21:30:38 * PeterT switches to Windows 21:30:46 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-76-19-211-40.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:30:58 <thingwath> The only problem, of course: it works only with cmake. Not autoconf. :) 21:31:02 <Eddi|zuHause> how dare he! 21:31:48 <kratt> can somebody say why i cant see my grf in grf menu 21:32:06 <edeca> Because you have you eyes closed? 21:32:11 <edeca> Seriously, that's a bit vague :) 21:32:22 <_ln> okay, sure: "why i cant see my grf in grf menu" 21:32:29 <Alberth> thingwath: I do that one time, namely the first time when I write a 3 line script './doit' 21:32:36 <edeca> _ln: Heh, you win 21:32:54 <Alberth> after that I can use ./doit faster than you can start the gui :p 21:33:03 <edeca> kratt: Did you just create the grf? Did you copy it? Download it? 21:33:07 <thingwath> I also run that gui only once. 21:33:16 <thingwath> Or when I want to change something. 21:35:13 <kratt> no i created it 21:35:18 <kratt> no errors in renum 21:35:31 <kratt> but it wont show up in newgrf menu 21:35:45 <edeca> You copied it to the data directory? 21:36:50 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff386.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:38:43 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:39:43 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-eaf2e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 21:40:13 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@31.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 21:40:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18608 /trunk/ (22 files in 9 dirs): -Change: add the concept of music sets 21:40:47 *** Zuu_ [Zuu@c-7df5e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 21:41:14 *** Zuu is now known as Guest41 21:41:14 *** Zuu_ is now known as Zuu 21:41:23 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-211-40.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:43:13 <kratt> yes i copied to the data 21:43:15 <kratt> damn 21:43:17 <kratt> i post 21:43:36 <PeterT> @logs 21:43:48 <kratt> http://pastebin.org/67935 21:44:04 <kratt> maybe im doing action1 wrong 21:44:21 <Alberth> http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd/last?count=50 21:46:26 <kratt> very intresting but that wont help me 21:47:17 <Alberth> it was not for you 21:47:50 *** Guest41 [Zuu@c-eaf2e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 483 seconds] 21:48:25 <PeterT> Thanks Alberth 21:48:50 <PeterT> Perhpas a new channel dedicated to GRF Coding is in order? 21:49:18 *** pavel1269 [~pavel1269@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: ^^] 21:49:36 <Alberth> don't know, perhaps it already exists 21:50:02 <Alberth> on the other hand, he is welcome here as well, it is more on topic than many other discussions :p 21:54:54 *** Markk [~markk@91.90.24.184] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:54:56 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF96EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:04:01 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@189.154.206-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 22:04:32 *** Markk [~markk@91.90.24.184] has joined #openttd 22:08:38 *** wito [~wito@25.244.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: wito] 22:09:07 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:30:08 *** lewymati|afk [~lewymati@aejk44.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 22:38:41 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 22:40:08 <kratt> can somebody code a nfo for me? 22:40:09 <kratt> please 22:40:50 <DaleStan> Can? Yes. Will? Depends on how much you're paying. 22:43:22 <kratt> im paying you diamonds and gold 22:43:24 <lobster> Lobster Radio: http://radio.zernebok.com:8080/live.mp3.m3u 22:44:35 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:45:36 <kratt> so what you think 22:45:50 <kratt> i just need easy stuff 22:46:17 <kratt> you can make it with 4-10 minutes or less 22:46:18 <Zuu> You have to wait until someone offers you help. 22:46:35 <Zuu> Beging to no end doesn't really help. 22:47:01 <Zuu> Begging* 22:49:11 *** Markk [~markk@91.90.24.184] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:51:00 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has quit [Quit: Getting off stoned server - dircproxy 1.0.5] 22:51:06 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has joined #openttd 22:55:26 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F2CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:55:30 *** markk [~markk@91.90.24.184] has joined #openttd 22:56:11 *** markk is now known as Markk 22:56:18 *** Markk is now known as Markmc 22:56:55 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:59:16 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 23:00:08 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 23:06:53 *** kratt [~kaka@80-235-51-162-dsl.kjj.estpak.ee] has left #openttd [] 23:07:34 *** DarkED [~J@cpe-075-176-105-070.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 23:08:01 *** Steelpimp [~Steelpimp@97.83.89.27] has joined #openttd 23:08:22 *** Steelpimp [~Steelpimp@97.83.89.27] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:14:12 *** Bergee [~bergee@98.250.52.144] has quit [] 23:19:12 *** Bergee [~bergee@c-98-250-52-144.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:24:48 <Terkhen> good night 23:24:49 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@31.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 23:27:48 * lobster reminds this channel of Z.radio 23:27:58 <lobster> http://radio.zernebok.com:8080/live.mp3.m3u 23:28:29 <welshdragon> hmm 23:28:50 <welshdragon> fucking noise pollution won't let me build an airport 23:29:31 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF96EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:38:26 *** ecke [~ecke@211.143.broadband13.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 23:51:50 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-7df5e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:54:04 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:55:55 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@2002:55b0:fc6d:1:911e:6f09:44ed:5f50] has joined #openttd