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00:00:31 <PeterT> it was 'too complicated'? 00:02:32 <Eddi|zuHause> [09.01.2010 23:41] <peter1138> back in the day, games that ran at 640x480 *were* high resolution <-- yesterday i read the wikipedia article about "Siedler", and when it said the first PC version had a resolution of 320x200 i couldn't believe it at first... 00:08:28 <SpComb> hmm... seems IS and cargodist work together OK in terms of in-game? 00:08:39 *** fonsinchen1 [~alve@brln-4dbab09b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 00:08:43 <SpComb> cargo is routed alright between two stations with different owners 00:08:55 <SpComb> but the linkgraph only shows the current company by default 00:09:18 <SpComb> fonsinchen1: do you have an opinion as to cargodist + infrastructure sharing? 00:09:36 <Eddi|zuHause> i always wondered this: how does IS handle transfers between different companies? how does it resolve who gets which payment? 00:09:45 <SpComb> fonsinchen1: seems station cargo is routed just fine when a vehicle has stations from different companies in its orders 00:12:37 <SpComb> http://qmsk.net/~terom/openttd/screenshots/cargodist-IS-example.png 00:13:33 <SpComb> that's with a quick hack for the linkgraph: http://qmsk.net/~terom/openttd/patches/xxx-cargodist-IS-hack.patch 00:14:02 <PeterT> can I get the quick hack for CargoDist and IS? 00:14:12 <SpComb> no, don't distribute it 00:14:25 <PeterT> Why? 00:14:35 <SpComb> cargodist + IS seems to "work" out-of-the-box, the minimap link graph just doesn't show the nodes/links for other companies 00:14:38 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc1d50.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:14:51 <SpComb> well that assumes all vehicles and stations are trains 00:16:06 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FD7A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:17:32 *** kasuga [~osaka@81.28.163.84] has quit [Quit: ???????????? ???????] 00:20:01 <PeterT> SpComb: I've applied cargodist_r18750.diff 00:20:07 <PeterT> now applying IS2 patch 00:22:30 <fonsinchen1> Cargodist should work fine with IS. It doesn't care about who the stations belong to 00:22:39 *** fonsinchen1 is now known as fonsinchen 00:23:15 <sparrL> fjb: for airplanes the problem seems a bit simpler, since their distance to be traveled is knowable (and falls between the linear distance and the manhattan distance) 00:23:17 <PeterT> yes, only one Failed!! 00:23:26 <sparrL> fjb: terrain doesn't affect them 00:24:25 *** NeosaD [~Alty@185.Red-83-42-93.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 00:24:59 <PeterT> SpComb: Can you explain again how to solve this? http://users.tt-forums.net/petert/dev/cdis_log.txt 00:25:20 <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause: empirical evidence suggests: two links (operated by different companies, with one common stations) with a usage ratio of 31:75 make a profit of 6k:37k 00:25:26 <ashb> PeterT: open up src/economy.cpp.rej and src/economy.cpp.orig 00:25:34 <ashb> and maunally copy the changes over 00:25:44 <ashb> it will likely be a small change that stops it working automatically 00:25:45 <PeterT> to what file? 00:25:48 <SpComb> PeterT: yes, that's the same reject that I got, and it's a trivial trivial fix 00:25:51 <ashb> to src/economy.cpp 00:26:33 <PeterT> when opened, will the changes be shown, or will the entire file be shown? 00:26:39 <SpComb> PeterT: i.e. copy the `#include "foo.h"` line as indicated in the .rej to the end of the list of #include's in the .cpp 00:26:48 <SpComb> without the patch's "+" prefix, of course 00:26:53 <PeterT> Ok 00:27:08 <SpComb> PeterT: .cpp is the partially patched file, .orig is the unpatched file, and .rej is a list of hunks that failed 00:27:18 <PeterT> I just opened .ref 00:27:21 <PeterT> *.rej 00:27:51 <PeterT> is there a specific order for the #include's? 00:28:18 <SpComb> usually no 00:28:25 <PeterT> what about now/ 00:29:01 <SpComb> PeterT: the issue here is that both of the .patch's that you've applied add a new line to the same place 00:29:34 <SpComb> PeterT: so the only thing you need to determine is the relative order of those two lines - in this case it shouldn't matter, but new lines are generally added to the end 00:30:42 <SpComb> (well, in this case, the trunk version's slightly different, so a line was added there in trunk - doesn't matter) 00:30:51 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:31:33 <PeterT> thanks, SpComb for all your info 00:31:37 <PeterT> I just made the diff 00:31:52 <PeterT> I noticed you didn't distribute yours, was there a reason? 00:31:56 <PeterT> should I keep mine? 00:32:24 <SpComb> nah, it's my hacky .patch to "fix" the minimap GUI that I don't want to distribute :) 00:32:36 <SpComb> merged patches are perfectly fine to distribute 00:32:42 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76747.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:32:45 <SpComb> of course, you take responsibility for any merge bugs, then 00:33:04 <PeterT> didn't you link your hack atch to fix it before? 00:33:09 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B4A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:33:10 *** NeosaD [~Alty@185.Red-83-42-93.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: X-CRiPt 5.1 http://www.relativo.com ] 00:34:06 <SpComb> yes, for curiosity, but it doesn't make any sense to distribute a build with it included :P 00:35:31 <PeterT> oh 00:35:34 <PeterT> I just applied it 00:35:38 <PeterT> so now I have two patches 00:36:11 * SpComb is looking for a better solution atm 00:36:22 <PeterT> :-) 00:36:29 <PeterT> You should make a forum topic for this 00:36:30 <PeterT> skillz 00:36:44 <SpComb> disgress 00:37:14 * PeterT is compiling CargoDist and Infrastructure Sharing 00:37:18 <PeterT> I love you, SpComb 00:37:33 <PeterT> ... as a developer 00:39:02 <PeterT> SpComb: You have crash: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=847323#p847323 00:40:42 <SpComb> boo 00:42:36 <SpComb> same one as earlier 00:43:15 <PeterT> then it's just a reminder... fix it 00:43:24 <Eddi|zuHause> didn't rubidium commit some kind of fix earlier? 00:43:40 <SpComb> yeah, someone complained about the same assert in 1.0.0-beta1 00:44:03 <SpComb> but if it happens when placing a PBS-signal, I'm guessing at an increased-daylength related overflow in tick_counter 00:44:08 *** slas [~chatzilla@25.201.216.81.static.s-o.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]] 00:44:14 <SpComb> well, it hints at... 00:44:42 <Eddi|zuHause> @openttd commit 18764 00:44:43 <fonsinchen> The fix for FS#3499 is not about that assertion. At least it doesn't say so. 00:44:44 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: Commit by rubidium :: r18764 /trunk/src (12 files in 2 dirs) (2010-01-09 14:43:08 UTC) 00:44:45 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: -Fix [FS#3422]: split the (un)load ticks counter and signal wait counter; sometimes they might get into eachother's way 00:45:02 <fonsinchen> And it's very disturbing that the crash seems to be nondeterministic. 00:45:24 <fonsinchen> If it is, it's also a possible desync 00:45:33 <SpComb> tick_counter was used in so many different ways... 00:45:48 <fonsinchen> Still it should be deterministic 00:45:55 <SpComb> I had assumed it was something with cargodist's modifications to the order handling 00:46:09 <fonsinchen> but at least from Dj Nekkid's save I can't reproduce it. 00:46:32 <fonsinchen> SpComb: maybe, but then it should still be deterministic. 00:47:15 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 540 seconds] 00:47:30 <fonsinchen> and michielh's comment suggests that reloading the autosave avoids the crash. This is another hint at the crash being nondeterministic 00:47:50 <Eddi|zuHause> fonsinchen: there are different kinds of nondeterminisms 00:48:07 <Eddi|zuHause> one is hitting the exact moment on when to place the signal 00:49:32 <fonsinchen> ah, you're right there. Maybe that's why I can't reproduce DJ Nekkid's problem. He seems to be placing a signal there, too. 00:51:13 <PeterT> SpComb: Want to play with me? 00:51:16 <PeterT> on CDIS? 00:51:56 <fonsinchen> thanks for the hint. 00:52:35 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:54:38 <PeterT> Why isn't there a way to join an AI's company if you are the server? 00:54:45 <PeterT> not even with "move" or "Join" 00:59:09 <Eddi|zuHause> because that's a cheat 01:00:16 <SpComb> fonsinchen: if it's signal-placing, then I guess it must be the 16-bit tick counter overflowing with a high value for DAY_TICKS 01:00:49 <PeterT> <Eddi|zuHause> because that's a cheat <-- But it's not a cheat, you can move companies in multiplayer anyway 01:00:56 <PeterT> it's a cheat in single player? 01:00:57 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 01:01:24 <Eddi|zuHause> you can only join human companies in multiplayer, server or not 01:01:24 *** DaZ_ [~ident-dwa@dta193.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 01:02:14 <Eddi|zuHause> joining AI companies is only available as a cheat 01:02:19 <PeterT> Ok 01:05:44 *** DaZ [~ident-dwa@dsi86.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:08:31 <sparrL> *facepalm* 01:08:35 <sparrL> currency on the wiki is in pounds 01:09:36 <fjb> It's an English game. 01:10:04 <sparrL> yes 01:10:11 <roboboy> and its the default currency if I'm not mistaken 01:11:01 <PeterT> sparrL: the wiki is in British English 01:11:46 <roboboy> cyou 01:13:47 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@188.126.203.230] has joined #openttd 01:16:59 <SpComb> PeterT: a test game of r18750 + cargodist + is2 + http://qmsk.net/~terom/openttd/patches/cargodist-is2-linkgraph.patch ? 01:17:14 <PeterT> yes 01:17:27 <PeterT> it's "r18750M" 01:17:27 <SpComb> toss in the patch, shall I put up a server? 01:17:38 <PeterT> I'm using one without the patch 01:17:51 <SpComb> ah well, it's network-safe 01:19:03 <SpComb> PeterT: 82.130.16.197 01:19:33 <Sacro> SpComb: that sounds most fun 01:19:36 <PeterT> port? 01:19:41 <SpComb> std 01:20:28 <PeterT> SpComb: Your server isn't visible 01:20:32 <PeterT> not on servers.openttd.org 01:20:43 <SpComb> PeterT: nope 01:20:46 <SpComb> PeterT: add it directly 01:21:08 <SpComb> an oh, it's g63791e23M for me :( 01:21:19 <PeterT> yeah 01:21:20 <PeterT> I know 01:21:23 <PeterT> that's a problem 01:21:30 <PeterT> me and fonso are fixign my git 01:21:32 <SpComb> nothing that can't be fixed 01:21:34 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8dfab.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 01:22:45 <SpComb> PeterT: there 01:23:26 <PeterT> SpComb: Please tell me this isn't you: http://www.openttd.org/en/server/24663 01:24:23 <SpComb> no? 01:24:43 <PeterT> Ok 01:24:47 <SpComb> PeterT: click the "Add Server" button and then paste in 82.130.16.197 01:26:15 *** Pikka [~user@softbank220019198071.bbtec.net] has joined #openttd 01:28:53 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8dbec.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:29:19 <PeterT> @seen Pikka 01:29:19 <DorpsGek> PeterT: Pikka was last seen in #openttd 16 hours, 53 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <Pikka> but north america and europe seem to be having a worse time of it 01:29:42 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbab09b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:40:05 *** KenjiE20|LT [~KenjiE20@host86-166-26-81.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:40:20 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.22.170.238] has quit [Quit: ????] 01:41:58 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DBB3F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... Der, der bläht, als hinterster geht!] 01:46:27 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 01:52:04 *** sparrL [~kvirc@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:04:37 <sparr> SpComb: I am amazed at the level of source forking where multiple people would have such a widely varied combination of patches compiled at the same time 02:05:38 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [] 02:07:56 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 02:27:06 <SpComb> sparr: it's easy! 02:27:25 <SpComb> plus, PeterT's company is going bankrupt 02:27:28 <SpComb> well, it just did 02:27:44 <sparr> I wouldn't even know where to get cargodist or is2 as patches (instead of whole trees) 02:28:06 <PeterT> for CargoDist: 02:28:07 <PeterT> http://fickzoo.com/fonsinchen/patches/against_trunk/ 02:28:08 <sparr> more importantly, I am amazed that cargodist and is2 "play nice" together, I would expect them to have a LOT of overlap 02:28:25 <SpComb> sparr: the overlap is practically zero 02:28:31 <PeterT> and for IS2 patches: 02:28:32 <PeterT> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/is2/trunk-patches/ 02:28:43 <SpComb> sparr: the only issue I've seen so far is that the minimap link graph only displays the stations for your own company 02:29:32 <SpComb> PeterT: well, did you get a screenshot? 02:29:37 <PeterT> Of? 02:29:40 <SpComb> the game :( 02:29:42 <PeterT> me being bankrupt? 02:29:44 <PeterT> yes, of course 02:29:47 <PeterT> that's long done 02:30:04 <PeterT> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&p=847351#p847351 02:30:32 <sparr> what's the svn command to check out a particular revision? 02:31:43 <SpComb> sparr: `svn up -rXXXX` 02:32:05 <sparr> heh 02:34:05 <PeterT> sparr: To checkout a specific revision... "svn co <url> -rXXXXX" 02:34:21 <sparr> cargodist_r18750.diff does not apply cleanly to r18750? 02:34:37 <SpComb> sparr: it does if you apply it correctly 02:34:58 <sparr> I take it "correctly" is not the normal patch < foo.diff ? 02:35:29 <SpComb> `patch -p1` for git-style patches 02:35:39 <SpComb> so, anyone else going to join? 02:35:45 <sparr> I will if I can compile 02:36:01 <SpComb> what platform? 02:36:14 <sparr> linux 02:36:19 <SpComb> then it should be easy 02:36:22 <sparr> i agree 02:37:57 <sparr> but it's not 02:39:36 * sparr checks out a fresh copy AGAIN 02:40:48 <sparr> note to self: make a backup of r18750 to avoid having to download it when the patch doesn't work again 02:41:33 <PeterT> now. imagine that, on Windows 02:41:39 <PeterT> yeah, scary 02:42:37 <PeterT> SpComb: Do you want me to set up a bot that connects in-game to IRC? 02:43:50 <sparr> 18696 is the latest IS2 diff? 02:44:13 <sparr> and IS2 r14597 02:44:30 <sparr> sooooo many diffs 02:45:17 <PeterT> IS2 r14597 isn't an SVN revision number, it's a Mercurial rev number 02:45:24 <sparr> right 02:45:26 <PeterT> IS2's mercurial repo 02:45:34 <sparr> the patch is against openttd r18696 02:45:39 <PeterT> yes 02:45:39 *** lllugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c64e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 02:45:45 <PeterT> but download r18750 02:45:48 <PeterT> apply cargodist 02:45:50 <PeterT> then IS2 02:45:55 <sparr> which IS2? 02:46:10 <PeterT> "openttd-is2-r18696-14597.p1.diff " 02:47:13 <sparr> any advice on resolving the failed hunks? 02:49:25 <sparr> just copied the #include to one line later 02:50:13 <sparr> heh, configure doesn't like my path containing +s 02:50:51 <SpComb> PeterT: nah 02:50:54 <PeterT> sparr: that's about it 02:51:07 <SpComb> mercurial's rev numbers shouldn't be used like that 02:51:19 <SpComb> it should be "openttd-is2-r<trunk>-<hg hash>.diff" 02:51:24 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 02:52:58 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8dfab.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:52:59 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:57:36 <sparr> SpComb: I have a version mismatch with your server 02:57:49 <sparr> likely because configure complained that I was not using an svn version 02:57:53 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-42-212.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:58:50 <sparr> there, now I am using r18750M 03:00:47 <PeterT> good 03:04:40 <PeterT> SpComb, sparr: Join #cdis 03:04:46 *** ecke [~ecke@109.74.144.14] has joined #openttd 03:10:10 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-42-212.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 03:18:50 *** ecke [~ecke@109.74.144.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:30:39 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F6DC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:30:53 *** KenjiE20|LT [~KenjiE20@host86-166-26-81.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:40:07 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm140.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 03:50:41 <Pikka> Singaporekid no 04:00:25 *** sparrL [~kvirc@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 04:09:34 *** lllugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c64e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:13:22 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 04:16:43 <PeterT> I cannot beleive that IS and CargoDist is THIS fun... 04:27:11 * SpComb has 500k?! 04:32:02 * PeterT has k! 04:32:41 *** sparrL [~kvirc@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:35:02 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a1ac:20d4:cabe:3141] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:45:02 <SpComb> of which half is from me as an interest-free loan that you'll never pay back! 04:45:28 <PeterT> :-) 04:45:33 <PeterT> how much did you give me? 04:45:38 <PeterT> I'll pay back now? 04:45:40 <SpComb> dunno, probably almost 100k 04:46:32 <PeterT> I left 05:02:43 <luckz> 05:16:43 < PeterT> I cannot beleive that IS and CargoDist is THIS fun... <- does it actually work these days? 05:02:52 <luckz> last I tried some months ago it sure didn't really 05:02:53 <PeterT> yes, actually, luckz 05:03:00 <PeterT> what didn't work about it? 05:03:22 <luckz> 99% chance of crashing whenever you clicked.. just about anything. 05:03:35 <PeterT> lol 05:03:37 <PeterT> ot 05:03:42 <PeterT> it's much more stable now 05:03:46 <luckz> I assume the cargo generated is still a fixed amount X no matter how many destinations you're connected to? 05:04:53 <PeterT> i don't understnad 05:05:07 <PeterT> I'm off 05:05:08 <PeterT> night 05:05:11 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-211-133.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Good night] 05:08:58 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-97-52.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:11:11 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-55-29.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 05:11:14 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 05:22:21 *** shijir [shijir69@124.158.123.0] has joined #openttd 05:22:27 <shijir> hi guys 05:22:40 <shijir> which server is better 05:22:55 <shijir> hello? 05:33:45 <shijir> hello? 05:33:49 <shijir> anybody here? 05:39:23 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:44:26 *** kickflip [~dydt@40.83.118.70.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 05:44:52 <kickflip> Hi, I was wondering what type of algorithm is used to determine which tiles are currently on the screen 05:54:19 <shijir> guys 05:54:29 <shijir> help 05:56:25 *** shijir [shijir69@124.158.123.0] has quit [] 06:07:26 <Bluelight> Whats the kick command in dedicated win server? 06:24:04 <DaZ_> kicking is baad m'kay? 06:25:28 <welshdragon> Bluelight: please refer to the wiki 07:01:07 *** sparrL [~kvirc@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 07:03:15 *** Splex [~splex@n219078148053.netvigator.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:19:59 *** Splex [~splex@n219078148053.netvigator.com] has joined #openttd 07:33:38 *** sparrL [~kvirc@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:34:46 *** Splex [~splex@n219078148053.netvigator.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:44:07 *** Splex [~splex@n219079135133.netvigator.com] has joined #openttd 07:48:51 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@25.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 07:49:10 <Terkhen> good morning 07:58:31 *** Splex [~splex@n219079135133.netvigator.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:01:15 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.142.191.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 08:03:55 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:05:22 <Pikka> good morning terkhen et al 08:11:42 <peter1138> no u 08:11:44 <andythenorth> morning 08:12:10 <andythenorth> snow snow snow 08:12:30 <Terkhen> the bananas web says that there is a #openttdcoop NewGRF package, but I can't find it at the online content ingame 08:12:50 <andythenorth> ooh....Pikka might have an opinion...or not: http://tt-foundry.com/sets/FIRS/schema/basic_firs_proposal#proposal_2 08:12:58 <andythenorth> my brain is bleeding trying to figure out what players need 08:13:07 * Terkhen suspects that the # is the culprit 08:13:17 <Terkhen> either that or my poor searching skills 08:14:44 <Pikka> Terkhen: http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/GRF 08:15:09 <welshdragon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-OBQ5iwEIw&feature=rec-r2-2r-3-HM 08:15:42 <Terkhen> I'm downloading it from that link, but I was wondering why it does not show up 08:16:35 <Pikka> andy: my ideas with PBI/TaI is all to do with stockpiling and doing "clever" things with the callbacks. otherwise, industries are all a->b, and "more" industries don't really add anything to the gameplay 08:16:47 <Pikka> Terkhen: it's a pack of multiple grfs, not a grf 08:18:35 <Terkhen> I know, my question is why is there a "#openttdcoop NewGRF package" "NewGRF" listed at http://bananas.openttd.org/en/newgrf/ , but that "NewGRF" don't shows up ingame 08:20:08 <Pikka> because it's not a real newgrf? I don't know. 08:24:23 *** Madis [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 08:25:20 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Quit: packet_server_shutdown] 08:30:33 <roboboy> pikka did you ever code a seaplane that can land at seaports eg in Yexo's NewGRF Airports branch? 08:31:34 <Pikka> nope 08:55:56 *** Splex [~splex@n219079154247.netvigator.com] has joined #openttd 08:55:56 * andythenorth ponders a web based 'configurator' for players to customise FIRS 08:57:31 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-234-056.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:59:35 <Terkhen> you will still get users that will ask why their FIRS does not match the configuration, either because they don't know how to set the parameters correctly or because they thought that the configuration would be magically applied to their game 09:00:38 <andythenorth> Terkhen: this would be a web app that builds a custom FIRS for players. It's not going to happen, but it wouldn't actually be so hard to implement 09:02:12 <andythenorth> the FIRS site is driven by web gui to a python app. The makefile runs from a text file config system using awk. The nighly build server already exists...could be hooked together :) 09:02:14 <roboboy> can I use rcon to fastforward a game? 09:03:06 <Madis> no 09:03:23 <Madis> as fastforward relies totally on client pc speed 09:03:46 <andythenorth> if we're burning trees for fuel, do we burn 'wood' or 'lumber' ? 09:03:50 *** Madis [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]] 09:04:54 <Terkhen> I see... it seems like a lot of work, I wouldn't do that just for people that don't check the README 09:06:14 <andythenorth> Terkhen: it would allow customising lots of things about a FIRS grf: what cargos, industries, cargo payment rates, probabilities, intro dates. It would generate a whole new grf on the fly for download. 09:06:29 <andythenorth> It's not going to happen, except with planetmaker, one can never be sure :) 09:07:19 <peter1138> wood 09:07:57 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 09:08:24 <Terkhen> as I said, a lot of work :P 09:08:30 <Terkhen> and a GRFID hell 09:08:39 <roboboy> can I change the year with rcon as the server im on with rcon started too early for trains 09:08:45 <andythenorth> Terkhen: yup, and a server-nightmare :) 09:09:01 <andythenorth> wood wood wood, it's good 09:09:21 <peter1138> roboboy, no 09:09:58 <roboboy> ok 09:10:08 <Terkhen> see you later 09:10:10 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@25.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 09:13:59 <andythenorth> designing industry sets is educational 09:15:07 <Pikka> is good day to be industrial man 09:15:14 <andythenorth> logic says 'to produce a bulldozer I need more than steel. Like plastic and stuff' 09:15:24 <Pikka> designing/researching any set is educational 09:16:18 <andythenorth> when it comes to playing, the logic changes 09:17:22 <andythenorth> in gameplay logic says "why deliver plastic parts to the machine shop at 2 units = 1units output, when 2 units of plastic can straight to town as goods" 09:17:27 <andythenorth> go /s 09:17:34 <Sacro> so, open pizza tycoon? 09:18:51 <andythenorth> the funny thing is, the longer chain would make more money overall. Get paid for 3 units, instead of two. Earnings per unit raw material are higher. 09:19:03 <andythenorth> But most players don't seem to care, and when I'm playing neither do I 09:19:18 <andythenorth> more steps in the chain != better 09:19:31 <andythenorth> but not enough steps == boring 09:19:47 <andythenorth> ho hum 09:21:14 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@170.80-203-76.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]] 09:24:45 *** noeN [~Neon@dslb-088-069-234-056.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 09:25:54 * peter1138 plays railroad tycoon 09:26:24 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 09:29:03 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-234-056.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:39:50 *** Roelmb [~roelyves@91.176.236.215] has joined #openttd 09:47:02 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:48:07 <Roelmb> Can anybody tell me how to solvea c2228 error (left of '.remove_signals' must have class/struct/union 09:49:04 <Rubidium> what MSVC? 09:49:22 <Roelmb> with msvc 2008 express 09:50:04 <Rubidium> so MSVC doesn't support those new style initialisers yet... that's bad 09:50:15 <Rubidium> (assuming it is that) 09:50:24 <peter1138> make it support C99 09:50:27 <Roelmb> it is with the traffic light patch 09:50:49 <Roelmb> and how do i need to make it support c99 09:50:57 <peter1138> you can't 09:51:10 <Roelmb> solution? 09:51:16 <peter1138> fix or remove that patch 09:51:23 <Rubidium> peter1138: why not? Just go to One Microsoft Lane/whatever with a very big bag of money and tell them to do it :) 09:51:24 <Roelmb> damn 09:54:05 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:57:58 <Roelmb> what compiler does support c99 09:58:52 <Rubidium> new GCCs should; don't know since when though 09:59:19 <Rubidium> (read: don't know whether GCC 3.4.5, mingw's default IIRC, supports C99) 09:59:54 <Pikka> I think microsoft has enough money, Rubidium. you might need a different incentive... 10:00:58 <Rubidium> Pikka: but when you *are* the boss of Microsoft you can provide any incentive you want 10:01:12 <Roelmb> nevermind i'll look farther later on 10:01:18 <Pikka> are you the boss of microsoft? 10:01:34 <Rubidium> Pikka: no, but a big enough bag of money can change that 10:02:36 *** amiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:03:02 <peter1138> pikka pikka pikka 10:03:30 *** Splex [~splex@n219079154247.netvigator.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:03:45 <Pikka> peeter peeter pumpkin eeter 10:06:31 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 10:08:12 * peter1138 looks for more iron ore 10:08:23 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:09:13 *** Roelmb [~roelyves@91.176.236.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:11:02 <andythenorth> peter1138: any under the bed? 10:11:06 <andythenorth> in the cupboard? 10:13:07 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:14:15 <peter1138> no, just halfway across the map 10:14:57 <andythenorth> dunno, in that case try building a rail line? 10:15:05 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:15:14 <peter1138> i could 10:15:16 <peter1138> in fact, i did 10:15:21 <peter1138> it's a bit crowded though 10:15:33 <peter1138> i'm sure 512x256 games used to feel massive 10:15:37 <peter1138> mind you there is a lot of water 10:16:15 <peter1138> and the expensive landscaping means players aren't shortcutting across it, heh 10:18:51 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C927.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:19:18 <andythenorth> pictures? 10:21:28 *** amiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:21:33 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/1979-04-29.png 10:22:58 <andythenorth> funny looking railroad tycoon, I must have missed that version :P 10:23:14 <peter1138> i got bored of that 10:28:46 *** kickflip [~dydt@40.83.118.70.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [] 10:30:00 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc4-newt30-2-0-cust18.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:45:16 <Pikka> hmm 10:49:20 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 10:52:02 *** amiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:52:10 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:56:52 *** Splex [~splex@n219079154247.netvigator.com] has joined #openttd 10:57:50 <andythenorth> hmm 10:58:23 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:01:37 <peter1138> hmm 11:01:43 <Forked> mmhmmmm 11:03:09 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:06:57 <andythenorth> someone always has to go too far 11:07:06 <andythenorth> spoils it for the rest :| 11:07:26 * Forked is ashamed and moves on to breakfast 11:08:23 *** amiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:11:32 *** amiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:11:43 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 11:17:28 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:22:08 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.142.191.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:24:45 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.25.210.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 11:26:56 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 11:27:56 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe382.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:28:20 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.25.210.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:29:05 *** Timmaexx [~quassel@port-92-192-80-164.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 11:32:34 *** Nite_Owl [~chatzilla@c-76-109-44-188.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 11:32:51 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 11:35:51 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.105.22.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 11:36:47 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 11:40:45 <Nite_Owl> When I go full screen at a native resolution of 1920 x 1080 the icons at the top of the screen disappear completely and my taskbar is still visible - any suggestions? 11:41:11 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 11:43:19 <Alberth> your screen displays the first 20 or so lines above the physical screen? 11:43:53 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.105.22.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:44:18 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:44:28 <Alberth> s/your screen/your monitor/ 11:45:02 <Nite_Owl> there is a noticeable black line at the top of the screen if I auto hide the taskbar if that is what you mean 11:45:44 <peter1138> is your taskbar at the top or bottom? 11:45:59 <Nite_Owl> top 11:46:18 <Nite_Owl> but there are no icons even if I have it at the bottom 11:46:28 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.49.56.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 11:47:32 <Nite_Owl> just had thought - I did bump up the text size setting in Windows 7 to make things easier to read 11:48:45 <Nite_Owl> maybe that caused the icons to be off screen ?? 11:49:09 <Nite_Owl> even though everything else is still on screen 11:49:35 <peter1138> well, more likely switching to full screen failed for some reason 11:50:29 <Nite_Owl> that is what I thought being that the taskbar is still there in full screen mode 11:50:56 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d121.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:50:57 <Nite_Owl> maybe unlock the taskbar ?? 11:51:09 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.22.170.238] has joined #openttd 11:51:11 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 11:52:39 <Nite_Owl> nope - unlocking the taskbar did nothing 11:52:39 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 11:54:04 <Nite_Owl> even if I exit the game with the full screen option on and then reload it and restart a game there are still no icons 11:54:29 <Nite_Owl> that is start a new game 11:54:32 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@212.183.140.23] has joined #openttd 11:55:11 <Alberth> what happens if you set a window against the top in non-full-screen mode, then switch to full-screen? (or is that not possible to do?) 11:55:11 <peter1138> switch resolution and back again 11:55:50 <Nite_Owl> in non full screen mode the icon are there 11:56:04 <Nite_Owl> icons 11:56:22 <Alberth> so the screen is moved up, it seems, for some reason 11:57:09 <Nite_Owl> let me try something - be back in a bit 11:57:13 *** Nite_Owl [~chatzilla@c-76-109-44-188.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 11:58:28 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.49.56.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:03:35 *** Splex [~splex@n219079154247.netvigator.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:04:10 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:04:49 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:07:15 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@188.126.203.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:11:09 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:11:38 *** amiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:11:50 *** Timmaexx [~quassel@port-92-192-80-164.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:12:15 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@188.126.203.230] has joined #openttd 12:14:56 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.120.177] has joined #openttd 12:15:02 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-211-133.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 12:15:35 *** Roelmb [~roelyves@91.176.236.215] has joined #openttd 12:17:58 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has joined #openttd 12:17:58 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.120.177] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:20:00 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.120.177] has joined #openttd 12:20:22 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@212.183.140.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:21:15 *** Forked [~kjetil@presenterer.formye.info] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:22:11 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbab09b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:28:13 *** Roelmb [~roelyves@91.176.236.215] has left #openttd [] 12:29:01 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@212.183.140.1] has joined #openttd 12:29:16 *** amiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:29:29 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-211-133.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:31:19 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-211-133.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 12:32:17 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.120.177] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:35:28 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:44:11 *** Nite_Owl [~chatzilla@c-76-109-44-188.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 12:44:32 <Nite_Owl> Hello again 12:44:42 <Nite_Owl> Problem solved - sort of 12:45:55 <andythenorth_> hi hi 12:46:41 <Nite_Owl> Full screen mode is a no go unless I turn the display size down to a point that I can barely see anything either on the computer or in the game 12:46:55 <Nite_Owl> Hello andythenorth 12:49:42 <Nite_Owl> I am guessing that is a feature unique to newer versions of Windows 12:51:31 <Nite_Owl> it lets you keep your native resolution but increase the size of what appears on the screen in a rather universal fashion 12:53:31 <Nite_Owl> if you set it too high then some things might not show up on the screen. I am guessing that would be more likely to happen in a non window environment like a game. 12:54:29 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 12:55:08 <Nite_Owl> although within OTTD is the first time I have encountered it so far 12:55:58 <Nite_Owl> of course I have only had this puter for less than a week so... 12:56:08 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 12:56:54 *** Splex [~splex@n219079154247.netvigator.com] has joined #openttd 12:57:03 <Nite_Owl> I will shut up now 12:57:44 <PeterT> My computer always fails to go into fullscreen 12:57:52 <PeterT> "Fullscreen mode failed" 12:58:39 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc4-newt30-2-0-cust18.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:58:52 <Nite_Owl> it did not fail I just lost the icons off the top of the screen 12:59:20 <Alberth> Nite_Owl: want to swap with my Linux system? 12:59:49 <Alberth> with a *very* old CRT monitor :p 13:00:01 <Nite_Owl> no thank you 13:00:45 <Nite_Owl> I just put a 500Mhz Windows 98 machine out to pasture 13:01:20 <Nite_Owl> including a 70 pound, 20 inch CRT monitor 13:02:48 *** Jo [~Jo@n219077073102.netvigator.com] has joined #openttd 13:03:10 <Jo> Hi everyone 13:03:26 <Nite_Owl> Hello Jo 13:03:42 <Jo> How are you, I am a new guy here. 13:04:39 <Nite_Owl> I am good - how are you? 13:05:17 <Jo> Yes, but I feel something trouble when playing the OPENTTD... 13:06:17 <Nite_Owl> The guilt of enjoyment perhaps? 13:06:58 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8dbc0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:07:20 <Jo> Yeah... I spent too much time on it and being blamed by my wife... 13:07:57 <Nite_Owl> A wife and a computer do not mix well 13:12:48 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18769 /trunk/ (12 files in 6 dirs): -Codechange: replace MiniLZO with the real library. If you're using MSVC update openttd-useful, otherwise make sure you've got liblzo2 and it's development files installed. 13:12:48 *** amiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:12:55 <Jo> Absolutely yes... 13:12:59 <PeterT> openttd-useful update? 13:13:52 <Jo> I got some patches in http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=21827, but I don't know how to apply, can you tell how to do it??? 13:14:07 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d121.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:14:26 <PeterT> umm, that's against r23... 13:15:20 <peter1138> hehe 13:15:22 <peter1138> a bit old 13:16:48 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: i'd assume rather r3903 of openttd and r23 of the patch... 13:17:09 <PeterT> ahh 13:17:24 <PeterT> that makes ALOT more sense 13:17:42 <peter1138> still old :) 13:17:51 <Eddi|zuHause> Jo: anyway, http://icosahedron.de/openttd/patches/ might be more useful 13:19:27 <Jo> In fact, I want to have signal which support yellow signal infront of a red signal. 13:19:55 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, the "advance_signals_v2.patch" should do that for the new path signals 13:21:07 <Jo> Thanks Eddi... But how can I apply in OPENTTD? 13:21:20 <PeterT> you dont 13:21:47 <Eddi|zuHause> Jo: read the wiki articles on "Compiling on <your platform>" 13:22:04 <Eddi|zuHause> where platform might be "MSVC, MinGW, Linux, ..." 13:22:08 *** MasterSVK [~MasterSVK@dial-78-141-68-221-orange.orange.sk] has joined #openttd 13:22:15 <MasterSVK> aloha! 13:22:46 <Nite_Owl> Hello MasterSVK 13:22:47 *** Jo [~Jo@n219077073102.netvigator.com] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 13:22:54 <MasterSVK> guys i have a problem and havent found any solution on forums so far 13:23:09 <MasterSVK> i cant move the "mini map" :-/ 13:23:15 <SpComb> grr, annoying how the depot GUI doesn't let me drag arbitrary wagons on to their own row 13:23:18 <MasterSVK> when i right click it and move the mose it doesnt move :-/ 13:23:33 <SpComb> is this some automagic user-friendlyness feature, or a bug in this old revision? :( 13:23:42 *** Jo [~Jo@n219077073102.netvigator.com] has joined #openttd 13:24:14 <Jo> Eddi, If TortoiseSVN necessary for Windows Enviroment??? 13:24:18 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:24:27 <Eddi|zuHause> not necessary, but useful 13:25:50 <Nite_Owl> right clicking on the main screen moves it around? 13:26:07 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 13:26:26 <Eddi|zuHause> the technical term is "scrolling" 13:27:02 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D784.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:27:08 <Eddi|zuHause> you can turn on scrolling at edge of the screen instead 13:27:27 <Rubidium> MasterSVK: what version are you using? 13:27:33 <MasterSVK> the latest beta 13:27:52 <MasterSVK> and i mean the mini map 13:28:01 <MasterSVK> not the main map 13:28:24 <MasterSVK> the one that pops up when you press m 13:28:40 <PeterT> MasterSVK: You really don't *have* to ask on IRC, then make a topic in tt-forums 13:28:49 <MasterSVK> i made 13:28:51 <MasterSVK> but you know 13:28:53 <fjb> Moin 13:28:58 <MasterSVK> i somehow wanna play it 13:29:05 <MasterSVK> and this is really annoying 13:29:17 <MasterSVK> so i thought that maybe someone on irc knows something about it 13:29:25 <Rubidium> what OS? 13:29:51 <PeterT> Rubidium: Why does MSVC need the libraries from openttd-useful, but MSYS doesn't? 13:29:53 <MasterSVK> w7 pro 64bit 13:30:41 <Rubidium> does right scrolling the main map work? 13:30:57 <MasterSVK> just sometimes 13:31:06 <MasterSVK> bit its more jumping than scrolling 13:31:14 <MasterSVK> same on the minimap :-/ 13:31:29 <MasterSVK> *but 13:31:59 <MasterSVK> if i press and hold the rmb and move the mouse nothing happens 13:32:10 <MasterSVK> but if i click and move it jumps a bit 13:32:29 <Nite_Owl> could be a sick mouse 13:32:54 <MasterSVK> maybe doesnt like trains or something :-/ 13:33:03 <MasterSVK> cause the mouse works perfect everywhere else 13:33:12 <PeterT> peter1138: Is that your UKRS server? 13:33:17 <Rubidium> MasterSVK: does it behave normally in 1.0.0-beta1 and 0.7.5? 13:33:28 <MasterSVK> let me go try out in the stable release 13:33:31 <MasterSVK> brb 13:33:41 <Nite_Owl> where else do you right click and move? 13:34:38 <MasterSVK> you have a newer bla bla 13:34:44 <MasterSVK> do i have to uninstall the beta? 13:34:47 <PeterT> no 13:34:54 <MasterSVK> dl the zip archive? 13:34:55 <PeterT> just get the 0.7.5 zip file 13:34:56 <PeterT> yes 13:35:05 <PeterT> then double-click openttd.exe 13:35:21 <PeterT> (assuming you have either original_windows/OGFX in your shared directory) 13:35:47 <Rubidium> yes, you can download the zip archive and extract that 13:37:22 <PeterT> Rubidium: Can you tell me why I need the newest openttd-useful to compile the newer releases? 13:37:48 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 13:40:37 <MasterSVK> ok does the same in 0.7.5 :-/ 13:40:56 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a8a2:dc1f:d192:a5c1] has joined #openttd 13:40:59 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:41:00 <peter1138> well, yes 13:41:17 <peter1138> PeterT, because... it's been updated. duh. 13:41:25 <Nite_Owl> sick mouse 13:41:43 <PeterT> that was there before, peter1138? 13:41:57 <peter1138> ... 13:43:50 <Alberth> PeterT: lzo2 is used for loading save games. Previously that code was included in openttd, now you have to provide it yourself. Useful to do if you want to load existing games 13:44:27 <PeterT> why isn't openttd-useful necesarry for MSYS? 13:45:04 <Rubidium> MasterSVK: do you by any chance have a different mouse that you can test it with? Given that the bug hasn't been introduced nor noticed in the last year it must be something very specific, so possibly something with the local hardware you're using. 13:46:41 <MasterSVK> just tested 13:46:45 <MasterSVK> the same 13:46:51 <Alberth> PeterT: apparently, MSYS provides useful libraries by itself, like any decent computer should 13:47:09 <PeterT> sounds like microsoft.... 13:47:13 <MasterSVK> maybe os related? 13:47:45 <MasterSVK> let me try xpmode 13:48:07 <Alberth> PeterT: Since I am a Unix user, my view is somewhat biased :p 13:48:31 <PeterT> can I ask, why does GCC on linux provide crashlogs, but GCC on windows doesn't? 13:48:47 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:49:59 <peter1138> GCC doesn't provide crashlogs 13:50:03 <roboboy> what do I need to pass to make in order to get a bundle from my MSVC compiled exe? 13:50:11 <Alberth> PeterT: Most likely, the kernel of the Win* OS doesn't tell the app it crashed. 13:50:23 <peter1138> perhaps you mean "openttd built with gcc on linux" 13:50:29 <PeterT> yes ^ 13:50:50 <PeterT> Alberth: Umm, why not? 13:51:01 <PeterT> roboboy: http://wiki.openttd.org/MSVC#Bundle 13:51:10 <Alberth> ask the manufacturers in Redmond 13:52:18 <Rubidium> roboboy: read Makefile.msvc 13:52:33 <MasterSVK> doh i need to reinstall xpmode :-/ 13:53:03 <PeterT> wow, I create an entire guide on the MSVC page, and nobody notices it :-P 13:53:34 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a8a2:dc1f:d192:a5c1] has joined #openttd 13:53:37 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx_] by ChanServ 13:54:25 <roboboy> hm so I can not use the win32 version of make 13:54:32 <glx_> <Alberth> PeterT: apparently, MSYS provides useful libraries by itself, like any decent computer should <-- it's more MSYS users should be able to compile libs themselves 13:55:04 *** dfox [~dfox@r11jn246.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:55:17 <Rubidium> and that MSYS installations have found themselves to be unstable w.r.t. what include paths work and what paths don't 13:55:21 *** MasterSVK [~MasterSVK@dial-78-141-68-221-orange.orange.sk] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 13:55:36 *** dfox [~dfox@r11jn246.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 13:55:37 *** MasterSVK [~MasterSVK@dial-78-141-68-221-orange.orange.sk] has joined #openttd 13:56:59 *** glx is now known as Guest1539 13:57:00 *** glx_ is now known as glx 13:57:09 * roboboy wonders if MS provides a command line tool for creating zips 13:59:44 *** Guest1539 [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a8a2:dc1f:d192:a5c1] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:02:29 * Alberth thinks the risks of that happening are not high 14:03:33 *** Splex [~splex@n219079154247.netvigator.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:06:47 <MasterSVK> same in xpmode 14:07:04 <MasterSVK> + i see the windows mouse in the game along with the game mouse :-/ 14:13:47 <Rubidium> glx: any ideas what else might be buggy when right mouse scrolling doesn't work with a) Windows 7 professional 64 bits, b) at least two different mice, c) 0.7.5, 1.0.0-beta[12]? 14:14:53 <glx> win32 or win64 ottd build ? 14:16:10 <Rubidium> MasterSVK: glx's question is meant for you 14:16:12 <peter1138> do tooltips work? 14:16:13 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@188.126.203.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:21:32 <Ammler> roboboy: 7zip should do that and most probably all other zip tools too ;-) 14:22:50 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@188.126.203.230] has joined #openttd 14:23:03 <glx> Rubidium: everything works for me (win7 home premium 64) 14:24:27 <peter1138> nice to see the 32bpp graphics project totally missed the point 14:25:20 <glx> they use extra zoom ? 14:26:05 <Rubidium> peter1138: new slogan for them: "32bpp graphics, missing the point since the 2000s" 14:26:22 <peter1138> glx, not just that 14:26:43 <glx> ah they also create new sprites? 14:26:47 <roboboy> gnight 14:27:48 <peter1138> paraphrasing ben robbins, "32bpp graphics is work in progress so there's no need to organise a coordinated effort" 14:30:45 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18770 /trunk/src/saveload/saveload.cpp: -Fix-ish: don't allow the memory saveload format to be chosen for savegames; it's utterly useless to make a snapshot in memory and then throw that away without doing anything with it. 14:32:56 <peter1138> hee 14:33:20 <peter1138> and the ground tiles that have been made are extra-zoom, and don't fit in the tile anyway 14:37:06 <MasterSVK> win32 in xpmode 14:37:15 <MasterSVK> and on 7 im running 64 14:37:45 <MasterSVK> sry guys but i run here and there so sry if i dont answer right away 14:38:22 *** Madis [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 14:39:45 *** TrueBrain_ [~truebrain@145.118.72.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:40:40 <Alberth> peter1138: they obviously do not need coordination :p 14:40:45 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 14:45:09 *** Jo [~Jo@n219077073102.netvigator.com] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 14:48:10 <Nite_Owl> which mode are you in when the problem occurs? 14:50:49 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.112.235.176] has joined #openttd 14:56:58 *** Splex [~splex@n219079154247.netvigator.com] has joined #openttd 14:57:13 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@212.183.140.1] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:57:17 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18771 /trunk/src/saveload/saveload.cpp: -Codechange: minor cleanups in saveload code 15:02:11 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:04:19 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-227-143.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 15:15:23 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@147.251.209.96] has joined #openttd 15:22:03 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9987.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:27:50 *** BolshajaSvinja [~BolshajaS@dsl-jklbrasgw1-fec0df00-112.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 15:27:56 <BolshajaSvinja> Hello 15:28:11 <BolshajaSvinja> I need little help 15:28:47 <BolshajaSvinja> How I can unban 15:28:50 <DaZ_> no you don't. 15:29:16 <Rubidium> with unban <ip address> I think 15:29:34 <BolshajaSvinja> Ok 15:30:41 <BolshajaSvinja> thanks 15:30:43 *** BolshajaSvinja [~BolshajaS@dsl-jklbrasgw1-fec0df00-112.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 15:31:12 <Singaporekid> Pikka 15:31:16 <PeterT> Rubidium: Easier way == "banlist" -> "Unban <number" 15:32:36 <MasterSVK> both 15:32:49 <MasterSVK> happens also in win7 and also when i run it in xp mode 15:33:03 <MasterSVK> ill try on other pc later on 15:33:24 <MasterSVK> but its strange that it happens for both mice 15:35:25 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18772 /trunk/src/saveload/saveload.cpp: -Feature-ish: allow user customisable compression levels for the zlib compression 15:37:10 <PeterT> Rubidium: Does that mean that de-compression will take longer for more compressed save games? 15:37:33 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.112.235.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:37:40 *** Nite_Owl [~chatzilla@c-76-109-44-188.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 15:37:42 <Pikka> wuts 15:37:46 <Pikka> Singaporekid 15:37:59 <Singaporekid> you is a kf guest pass 15:38:09 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:39:26 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.50.201.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 15:39:50 *** Madis [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]] 15:40:10 <Pikka> but kf 15:40:11 <Pikka> D: 15:40:15 <Pikka> anyways 15:40:18 <Pikka> I am in japons 15:40:21 <Pikka> I should be doing other things 15:40:25 <Pikka> mebe in march 15:41:31 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 15:41:43 <Rubidium> like drinking sake while eating okonomiyaki :) 15:43:17 <Pikka> yakitori, actually 15:43:43 <Pikka> rode my bike home drunk at 2am on saturday morning, was a good genuine Kochi experience. :P 15:44:26 <Rubidium> oh yes, those are nice too; especially when you're eating with a few and order all the kinds they have :) 15:44:55 <Rubidium> already eating a 'typical' Japanese breakfast? 15:45:44 <Rubidium> i.e. a bowl of hot rice with a fresh (unboiled) egg cracked over it... 15:46:12 *** MasterSVK [~MasterSVK@dial-78-141-68-221-orange.orange.sk] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 15:47:23 <Singaporekid> Or convenience store onigiris 15:48:36 <Eddi|zuHause> convenience what? 15:50:24 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.50.201.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net] has left #openttd [] 15:50:37 <Pikka> rubidium: yep, there were two of us encouraging each other to order one more :P 15:50:50 <Pikka> and I've done the rice and egg thing, for sure 15:51:20 <Pikka> but I've embraced my westernness and eat cereal mostly 15:52:32 <Pikka> eddi has no onigiri 15:53:21 <Rubidium> ooh... spam onigiri :) 15:53:32 <Rubidium> I think I'll prefer the spamburger though 15:55:54 <Pikka> looks like bedtimez 15:56:07 <Singaporekid> futontimes 15:56:13 <Pikka> yes 15:56:16 <Pikka> darn futons 15:56:27 <Rubidium> oyasuminasai :) 15:56:29 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.50.201.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 15:56:37 <Singaporekid> Sleep under the kotatsu, it's warmtypes 15:56:41 <Pikka> don't even have real tatami in here, just a wooden floor... 15:56:55 <Pikka> not enough room to get the kotatsu out D: 15:56:59 <Pikka> anyway, g'night 15:57:15 *** Pikka [~user@softbank220019198071.bbtec.net] has left #openttd [] 15:59:25 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:00:06 *** Splex [~splex@n219079154247.netvigator.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:38 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 16:00:42 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.50.201.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net] has left #openttd [] 16:02:40 *** khm [~khm@ip70-176-240-41.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #openttd 16:09:21 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@188.126.203.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:09:28 <khm> hello, can some one tell me how to build up relations with a town that won't let me build and has no room for trees? 16:10:29 <Eddi|zuHause> let the busses circle in the city 16:10:45 <khm> i can't build bus stations 16:10:56 <Eddi|zuHause> that's a problem... 16:11:10 <Eddi|zuHause> next time: build the bus stations first ;) 16:11:42 <frosch123> khm: bulldoze lots of trees and replant them :p 16:11:54 <khm> is there any other way? i have tried bribing them, but it didn't seem to help 16:12:24 <khm> wouldn't bulldozing trees piss them off? 16:12:48 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but when you can't piss them off more than they are already... 16:13:06 <khm> well, you have a point there 16:17:10 <Alberth> or do something else while you wait 16:18:40 <khm> removing the trees then putting them back seems to have done the trick, thank you 16:22:32 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@25.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 16:22:50 <Terkhen> hello 16:22:55 <PeterT> hi Terkhen 16:31:41 <Terkhen> anyone using debian? I'd like to confirm that liblzo2-dev is also the name of the new required package before editing the wiki 16:31:48 <welshdragon> um 16:31:50 <welshdragon> right 16:31:57 <welshdragon> OSX has 2 install disks 16:32:10 <welshdragon> which one has Xcode? 16:32:35 <Rubidium> yup 16:34:20 <terjesc> welshdragon: Try one of them first, then the other. (= 16:34:36 <Eddi|zuHause> it's always the other one ;) 16:34:38 <Eoin> google it? 16:34:47 <Eddi|zuHause> dictated by murphy's law ;) 16:35:17 <PeterT> (-: 16:35:18 <__ln> welshdragon: the second one. 16:35:18 <Eoin> Second disk 16:35:20 <Eoin> ^^ 16:35:30 <Terkhen> okay 16:35:30 <PeterT> welshdragon: The third disk. 16:35:49 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a conspiracy 16:36:09 <welshdragon> one is the OSX install disk 16:36:26 <welshdragon> the other is the Bundled Applications disk 16:36:28 <PeterT> so what is number two? 16:36:49 <welshdragon> look up 16:37:30 <terjesc> Bundled Applications sounds right. 16:37:40 <terjesc> afaik x code is bundled 16:37:43 <__ln> welshdragon: however, consider downloading a newer Xcode. (unless it's os x 10.6, in which case i'm not sure if there is a newer one). 16:37:43 <Eddi|zuHause> package seems to be called "lzo-devel" on opensuse 16:37:44 <terjesc> in a way 16:38:14 <Terkhen> done 16:38:14 <terjesc> I think I downloaded it from apple. 16:38:28 <welshdragon> ... i'll just do that 16:38:46 <terjesc> You have to register and stuff, though. 16:39:11 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm140.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:40:44 <Eddi|zuHause> can i get git log to only show patches that i have committed? 16:42:39 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@188.126.203.230] has joined #openttd 16:42:45 *** andythenorth_ is now known as andythenorth 16:44:06 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: why does daylength_factor use a SDTG_CONDVAR instead of a SDT_CONDVAR? 16:44:47 <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause: so that date_type.h doesn't have to include settings_type.h 16:45:02 <PeterT> any reason for this error? >..\src\newgrf.cpp(50) : fatal error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'table/strings.h': No such file or directory 16:45:04 <Eoin> oi 16:45:06 <Eoin> lol 16:45:17 <peter1138> you didn't build the language files 16:45:25 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: you forgot to compile the other projects (lang and strgen) 16:45:25 <Eoin> i didnt? 16:45:31 <Eoin> i pressed compile for all 16:45:32 <PeterT> Eoin: you didn't build the language files 16:45:37 <Eoin> it had 0 errors on language! 16:45:41 <SpComb> what does the "Min. profit" part of the performance rating mean? 16:45:48 <Eoin> 3>Build log was saved at "file://c:\ottdsrc\objs\langs\BuildLog.htm" 16:45:48 <Eoin> 3>langs - 0 error(s), 0 warning(s) 16:45:51 <SpComb> minimum yearly profit of all your vehicles? 16:45:57 <Rubidium> SpComb: tooltip? 16:45:57 <PeterT> are you sure it was "0 errors" and not "project skipped"? 16:46:02 <Eoin> ^^ 16:46:06 <peter1138> minimum yearly profit of any vehicle 16:46:12 <PeterT> solve: 3(x+4/0)=10 16:46:17 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: the vehicle with the lowest yearly income 16:46:20 <SpComb> right 16:46:26 <terjesc> any wehicle older than a couple of years. 16:46:43 <SpComb> that's a tram with a yearly profit of -500kEUR :D 16:46:51 <terjesc> (= 16:46:55 <Eoin> peter1138: i did 16:47:20 <SpComb> well over half the trams make a yearly loss, perhaps a third make more loss than 100kEUR 16:47:27 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: typical cargodist prolbem ;) 16:47:32 <Eoin> strgen compiled, langs compiled 16:47:35 <Eoin> openttd failed badly 16:47:55 <Eddi|zuHause> Eoin: you're doing something wrong 16:48:05 <Eoin> im following wiki step by step 16:48:15 <Eddi|zuHause> Eoin: that's what they all say ;) 16:48:16 *** mib [54e55b1a@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 16:48:17 <Rubidium> what version are you trying to compile? 16:48:22 <Eoin> head 16:48:30 <SpComb> but I officially finished off my game now \o/ 16:48:32 <Eoin> which im assuming is the stable one 16:48:39 <SpComb> played it for 72h+ at 4x daylength, 1921 - 2002 16:49:06 <Eddi|zuHause> the latest i got with the dbset was 2009 16:49:37 <Eoin> oh wait 16:49:44 <Eoin> it looks like im using the latest build 16:50:14 <Eoin> how to i get the latest stable one? 16:50:43 <Eddi|zuHause> check out /tags/0.7.5 16:50:47 <Eddi|zuHause> instead of /trunk 16:51:22 <Eddi|zuHause> Eoin: but that doesn't explain your build problem ;) 16:51:36 <welshdragon> right. downloading xcode 16:51:37 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejg204.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 16:51:43 <welshdragon> going to take half an hour 16:51:47 <Eoin> Path 'tags/0.7.5' already exists 16:51:50 <Eoin> oh dear 16:53:27 <Eddi|zuHause> you didn't check out the entire repository, did you? 16:53:50 <Eoin> i made the folder 16:53:55 <Eoin> checkout, latest 16:53:56 <Eoin> done 16:55:02 <Rubidium> trunk @ HEAD complete clean checkout compiles fine in MSVC2008 16:55:54 <Eoin> im trying to compile your latest revision 16:56:01 <PeterT> <Eddi|zuHause> you didn't check out the entire repository, did you? <-- I did that when I forgot to write "trunk" after "svn.openttd.org" 16:56:03 <Eoin> 18772 16:56:11 <Eoin> i did put /trunk 16:56:29 <Eoin> svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk 16:56:50 <Eddi|zuHause> http://mein.salzburg.com/blog/wizany/assets_c/2010/01/wizany090110-thumb-600xauto-42928.jpg 16:57:03 *** Splex [~splex@n219079154247.netvigator.com] has joined #openttd 16:57:41 <Terkhen> I have also compiled r18772 in MSVC2008 without no problems 16:57:45 <Eoin> :( 16:57:47 <Terkhen> without problems* 16:58:00 <Eoin> i dont get why im getting problems 16:58:12 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 16:58:19 <Eoin> hold on 16:58:26 <Eoin> langs config is debug 16:58:29 <Eoin> strgen debug 16:58:32 <Eoin> version debug 16:58:34 <PeterT> that's good 16:58:36 <Eoin> openttd release. 16:58:40 <Terkhen> that's correct 16:58:41 <PeterT> openttd release, right? 16:58:42 <PeterT> good 16:58:43 <Eoin> ye 16:58:49 <Eoin> so thats right? damn 16:59:41 <Eoin> build order is strgen, langs, version, openttd 17:01:56 <Eoin> anyone got any ideas? 17:02:11 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: i just scanned through an old daylength patch, and it had daily and weekly autosave, those would be handy on longer daylengths... 17:02:17 *** mib [54e55b1a@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 17:02:18 <Eoin> Cannot open include file: 'squirrel.h' 17:02:23 <Eoin> Cannot open include file: 'table/strings.h' 17:02:35 <Eoin> something wrong with my includes? 17:02:44 <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause: yes, I had a look at that yesterday, but there's no completely clean way to implement it 17:03:01 <Terkhen> Eoin: you must have missed something at the wiki 17:03:03 <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause: but I guess it would be better to even just hack it in 17:03:12 <Eoin> ive double checked terkhen 17:03:46 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: afair it just meant moving the autosave check within date_cmd.cpp(?) and adding some items to the list 17:03:55 <Eoin> i think ive solved it 17:04:01 <Rubidium> first of all, make sure you haven't made local modification 17:04:02 <Eoin> i had SDK above includes on the list 17:04:20 <Eoin> nah didnt fix it 17:04:23 <Rubidium> and changing MSVC configuration might do local changes 17:04:45 <Eoin> i havent modified anything 17:04:59 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: only problem i remember is that it changed the default from monthly to daily 17:05:12 <Rubidium> cause it looks like you trashed your 'AdditionalIncludeDirectories' 17:05:12 <Eddi|zuHause> which might be too much... 17:06:16 <Eoin> C:\Users\Eoin\Documents\OpenTTD essentials\shared\include 17:06:23 <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause: and broke any stored settings... 17:06:30 <Eoin> its straight from the .zip 17:06:43 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: but that may be solved now by using named settings ("quaterly") etc. 17:06:51 <Rubidium> not that one 17:07:05 <Rubidium> as I said... make SURE that there are no local modifications to the project files 17:07:13 <Eoin> ill reload the project 17:07:52 <Eoin> ooh 17:07:56 <Eddi|zuHause> Eoin: svn should be able to tell you about modifications 17:07:58 <Eoin> projects has a red ! 17:08:06 <Eoin> thus i must of edited it without knowing 17:08:18 <Eddi|zuHause> what's a "must of"? 17:08:24 <Eoin> must have 17:08:34 <Eddi|zuHause> then why don't you say that? 17:08:39 <Eoin> same difference :P 17:08:43 <Eddi|zuHause> after all, we're all speaking a foreign language. 17:09:32 <PeterT> Eoin: when you add the include directories or change the configuration to release, that changes it 17:09:36 <PeterT> you shouldn't worry about that 17:09:39 <Eoin> i reverted the projects 17:09:40 <Eoin> anyway 17:09:44 *** Splex [~splex@n219079154247.netvigator.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:09:46 <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause: got a link to the .patch? 17:10:24 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: i presume in the old threads... 17:10:44 <Eoin> i should worry, PeterT 17:10:50 <Eoin> as it is now compiling with no errors 17:10:53 <SpComb> it was in the middle of some random thread where I found it yesterday 17:10:54 <Eddi|zuHause> i only have my modified stuff lying around... not sure if that's helpful 17:11:05 <Eoin> i think ive fixed it 17:11:53 <Eoin> now that ive fixed that 17:11:55 <Eddi|zuHause> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/daylength_mod_r12784.patch 17:11:58 <Eoin> i need to figure out how to "patch" 17:12:07 <Eoin> using tortoiseSVN 17:12:07 <Eddi|zuHause> not sure about what i "mod"ed 17:12:23 <Eddi|zuHause> Eoin: right click on the "trunk" directory, and chose "apply patch" 17:12:39 <Eddi|zuHause> Eoin: won't work with hg or git patches 17:12:46 <Eoin> "trunk" directory 17:12:58 <Eddi|zuHause> Eoin: the base of your checkout 17:13:03 <Eoin> the folder with projects, src, os etc/ 17:13:05 <Eoin> ?* 17:13:08 <Eddi|zuHause> Eoin: the one that contains the "src" directory 17:13:13 <Eoin> k 17:13:17 <Eoin> ive called that ottdsrc 17:13:18 <Eoin> lol 17:13:29 <Eddi|zuHause> that doesn't matter 17:13:41 <Eoin> oh no 17:13:43 <Eoin> ONE error 17:13:49 <Eoin> ========== Build: 2 succeeded, 1 failed, 1 up-to-date, 0 skipped ========== 17:13:57 <Eoin> 3>..\src\crashlog.cpp(138) : fatal error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'lzo/lzo1x.h': No such file or directory 17:14:02 <Eoin> thats the only error now 17:14:10 <Eddi|zuHause> Eoin: you didn't download the new useful.zip 17:14:12 <PeterT> update openttd useful 17:14:15 <Eoin> i did 17:14:19 <Eddi|zuHause> changed today 17:14:19 <Eoin> i downloaded it last week 17:14:21 <Eoin> oh 17:14:22 <Eoin> ffs :( 17:14:31 <PeterT> http://www.openttd.org/en/news/115 17:14:34 <Eddi|zuHause> read the damn commit messages ;) 17:14:38 <Eoin> just my luck lol 17:14:41 <glx> thanks to remind me to update it :) 17:15:28 <welshdragon> 10 minutes for xcode 17:19:20 <Eddi|zuHause> i can't learn to handle git :( 17:19:20 <welshdragon> hmm, macports seems to have frozn :( 17:19:39 <Eddi|zuHause> how do i get a diff between my local branch and origin/master? 17:19:51 <PeterT> git help git 17:20:08 <Eoin> http://pastebin.com/m4c84d92d 17:20:41 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: that doesn't help me at all... 17:20:57 <Eoin> ^^ Now it does that 17:20:58 <PeterT> Eddi|zuHause: What OS are you on? 17:21:00 <Eoin> with the new includes 17:21:06 <Eddi|zuHause> linux 17:21:12 <PeterT> Eoin: it was working, you stopped it 17:21:18 <PeterT> "# 17:21:18 <PeterT> # 17:21:18 <PeterT> The build has been canceled at the user's request" 17:21:27 <Eoin> No 17:21:33 <Eoin> it said Build failed 17:21:35 <Eoin> so i cancelled it 17:21:50 <PeterT> No, it didn't 17:21:53 <PeterT> read the end 17:21:56 <PeterT> it looks fine 17:21:56 <Eoin> yes it did 17:21:57 <Eoin> i saw it 17:22:00 <SpComb> Eoin: http://qmsk.net/~terom/openttd/patches/daily-autosave-00-trunk-r18768.patch ? 17:22:08 <Eoin> SpComb? 17:22:08 <SpComb> ooer 17:22:10 <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause: ^ 17:22:13 <welshdragon> Eoin: looks fine to me 17:22:15 <Eoin> ah 17:22:21 <Eoin> 3> Creating library ..\objs\Win32\Release\openttd.lib and object ..\objs\Win32\Release\openttd.exp 17:22:21 <Eoin> 3>Generating code 17:22:23 <Eoin> its stuck on that 17:22:29 <Eoin> then it said Build Failed at the bottom 17:22:35 <Eoin> its stuck on that again 17:22:37 <Terkhen> it is not stuck, MSVC is just slow 17:22:39 <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause: pretty much the same as the earlier one, but it shouldn't affect the default or old values for the setting 17:22:45 <welshdragon> Eoin: leave it 17:22:46 <Rubidium> generating code takes a few minutes with release builds... 17:22:46 <Eoin> hmm, ill leave it this time then 17:22:48 <Terkhen> the Generating code step takes ages 17:22:53 <Eoin> i onyl cancelled it cause it said Build Failed 17:23:15 <PeterT> Eddi|zuHause: "git diff" I think 17:23:16 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: yeah, but now they're not ordered chronologically? 17:23:27 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: sure, but which options? 17:23:41 <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause: can't always have everything 17:24:21 <PeterT> Eddi|zuHause: "git diff [--options] [--] [<path> ] " 17:24:31 <PeterT> that's what "git help diff" says on my page 17:24:42 *** Timmaexx [~quassel@port-92-192-80-164.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 17:25:03 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: i can read that myself, but it does still not answer my question 17:25:22 <Eoin> oo err 17:25:27 <Eoin> this does take a while in MSVC 17:25:37 <Eddi|zuHause> is there a git equivalent of "hg view"? 17:25:37 <Eoin> ..as i say that, build succeeded 17:25:38 <Eoin> rofl 17:25:56 <SpComb> fonsinchen: perhaps you should update cargodist to a rev beyond r18764 to see if that resolves the tick_counter issues 17:26:08 <Eoin> so where do i find this completed build 17:26:45 <Eoin> "bin" ? 17:27:09 <PeterT> no 17:27:18 <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause: it would be possible to do that, but then you'd have to translate the values for the GUI from the values for the saveload data, or have a conditional saveload item 17:27:18 <PeterT> /objs/win32/release 17:27:34 <Eoin> that has no folders 17:27:39 <fonsinchen> yes, I should .... 17:27:39 <Eoin> only loys of .cod, .obj 17:27:54 <Eoin> and openttd.exe : 17:28:11 <Eoin> which dosent openn 17:28:14 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: afair autosave interval is not saved 17:28:22 <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause: in the .cfg 17:28:28 <PeterT> Eoin: You need to make a bundl 17:28:35 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: in the cfg it has textual names now 17:28:37 <PeterT> see http://wiki.openttd.org/MSVC#Bundle 17:28:44 <Eoin> so i need MSYS 17:28:59 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: so unless you update from a very old cfg, it should be fine 17:29:19 <SpComb> hmm, perhaps it would just be enough to assume the config stores the textual index 17:29:20 <PeterT> Eoin: You need both to make a good MSVC bundle 17:31:29 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 17:31:36 <PeterT> read this, Eoin: http://wiki.openttd.org/MSVC#Bundle 17:31:42 <PeterT> I made that section of the guide 17:31:50 <PeterT> and the one about Setting up subversion 17:32:04 <PeterT> and I fixed up the part about compiling "openttd_vs90.sln" 17:32:18 <PeterT> and differentiated win32 and win64 17:35:42 <welshdragon> bugger 17:35:57 *** Timmaexx [~quassel@port-92-192-80-164.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:36:00 <welshdragon> the version of xcode i downloaded is for 10.6 17:37:16 *** sparrL [~kvirc@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:39:17 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm getting a headache from git... 17:40:47 <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause: http://qmsk.net/~terom/openttd/patches/daily-autosave-00-trunk-r18772.patch <-- thusly then, it fixes the default value back to one month as well 17:40:53 <Eoin> PeterT 17:40:57 <Eoin> i dont get your SVN bit 17:40:58 <PeterT> ? 17:41:01 <Eoin> step 2 17:41:09 <PeterT> link? 17:41:20 <Eoin> oh wait 17:41:21 <Eoin> yes i do 17:41:23 <Eoin> nv, 17:41:26 <Terkhen> soon I'll have to learn git to divide the improved acceleration for road vehicles patch in branches... 17:41:29 <PeterT> what about it? 17:41:33 <Eoin> i get it now 17:41:38 <PeterT> it's pretty forthrigh 17:41:43 <PeterT> ok, good Eoin! 17:42:10 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 17:43:11 <welshdragon> does anybody know where i can get xcode for 10.5 (Leopard) 17:43:27 <PeterT> google = http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/21437 17:43:28 <SpComb> note: setting autosave to daily and fastforwarding with normal daylength makes openttd unhappy 17:43:33 <welshdragon> the developer site has it for 10.6 only 17:44:48 <PeterT> welshdragon: http://www.kickasstorrents.com/xcode-3-2-for-mac-os-x-leopard-10-5-and-snow-leopard-10-6-t3059645.html 17:44:53 <welshdragon> PeterT: that links to the version i just downloaded 17:44:54 <PeterT> do you have a torrent client? 17:45:02 <welshdragon> indeedy 17:45:21 <PeterT> this is the wrong version? http://developer.apple.com/technology/xcode.html 17:45:30 <welshdragon> yes 17:45:40 <welshdragon> it's for 10.6 only 17:46:12 <welshdragon> *sigh* 17:46:21 <welshdragon> even that version doesn't work on it PeterT 17:46:24 <Eoin> kefile.msvc bundle PLATFORM=WIN32 17:46:24 <Eoin> [BUNDLE] Constructing bundle 17:46:24 <Eoin> make: *** [bundle] Error 127 17:46:28 <Eoin> oeterrrr 17:46:30 <Eoin> peterrr 17:46:37 <PeterT> Eon: THAT'S OK! 17:46:51 <Eoin> it is? 17:46:59 <PeterT> Eoin: refer to: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=847359#p847359 17:47:43 <__ln> welshdragon: all the old versions are available at apple's site. 17:48:05 <welshdragon> __ln: i can't find them 17:48:11 <Eoin> where does it output peter 17:48:45 <Eoin> C:\ottdsrc\bin ? 17:49:03 <__ln> welshdragon: they are cleverly hidden, but are there. go to https://connect.apple.com/ first and log in. 17:49:12 <PeterT> Eoin: C:\ottdsrc\bundle 17:49:13 *** sparrL [~kvirc@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:49:19 <Eoin> ah 17:49:20 <Eoin> nice 17:49:28 * Eoin haz won! 17:49:59 <Eoin> now, to do it all again with a patch 17:50:10 <__ln> welshdragon: after that, it's pretty trivial. 17:50:23 <welshdragon> again 17:50:28 <welshdragon> i only see 3.1.1 17:50:42 <welshdragon> OH 17:50:46 <welshdragon> i see it now 17:50:56 <welshdragon> xcode 3.0 17:51:29 <welshdragon> 3 hours dowmload 17:51:36 <welshdragon> o.o 17:51:39 <__ln> welshdragon: no, you want 3.1.4. 17:52:04 <Eoin> he has Leopard 17:52:09 <Eoin> or summin 17:52:12 <__ln> i know, i can read. 17:52:20 <Eoin> oh, nvm then :P 17:52:36 <welshdragon> got iti 17:52:37 <__ln> and by a strange coincidence, 3.1.4 is the latest Xcode that runs on Leopard. 17:53:19 *** Roelmb [~roelyves@91.176.236.215] has joined #openttd 17:53:44 <Roelmb> Hi guys can anyone help me out with windows 7 and mingw 17:54:11 <welshdragon> __ln: ty 17:54:20 <welshdragon> it's going to take 3 hours 17:54:26 * Alberth offers a Linux DVD to Roelmb 17:54:27 <welshdragon> -_- 17:54:33 <Roelmb> XD 17:54:37 <Eoin> Roelmb: i might be able to 17:54:46 <Eoin> as i just used mingw on windows 7 for the first time :D 17:55:10 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:55:17 <Roelmb> The thing is it locks the files so mingw can't write the data in it so all the hunk's fail 17:55:33 <Eoin> hmm, odd 17:55:38 <Eoin> it didnt do anything like that for me 17:55:44 <Eoin> you on admin account? 17:55:44 <Roelmb> So in very short therms the patch totally fails 17:55:48 <Roelmb> yes i am 17:55:54 <Alberth> you actually get write protect errors, or just 'hunk failed'? 17:56:02 <Roelmb> hunk failed 17:56:24 <Alberth> another cause can be that the patch file format is not recognized 17:56:29 <Roelmb> but when i go look in the map where the files that should be patched stand the files have a lock on them 17:56:40 <PeterT> <Eoin> it didnt do anything like that for me <-- Obviously you aren't applying the same patch 17:56:56 <Eoin> he didnt say he was patching to start with :D 17:57:04 *** Splex [~splex@n219079154247.netvigator.com] has joined #openttd 17:57:21 <Eoin> now, petert, how do i go about compiling is+cd 17:57:27 <Alberth> Roelmb: so eg opening with an editor and changing also fails? 17:57:46 <PeterT> <Eoin> he didnt say he was patching to start with :D <-- FAILED hunks == what happens during patching 17:57:56 <Alberth> if yes, you better convince the OS to allow modification of the files :) 17:57:57 <Roelmb> no that not when i open it whit notepad++ and change it goes fine but not with migw 17:58:09 <Eoin> you know ive never patched before, PeterT :D 17:58:16 <PeterT> Eoin: It requires a bit of work, ok? 17:58:19 <Eoin> oh 17:58:21 <Eoin> work sounds bad 17:58:28 <Eoin> just send me yours :( 17:58:35 <Roelmb> like with me i could do everything by hand 17:59:07 <PeterT> Eoin: Join #cdis 17:59:17 <Alberth> what program do you use for patching Roelmb 17:59:28 <PeterT> Eoin: Sorry, I mean #cdis2 17:59:36 <Roelmb> mingw32 17:59:58 <Terkhen> either gprof is kidding with me or I am doing something wrong... my unoptimized code filled with virtual functions can't be faster than trunk 18:00:05 <Eoin> err 18:00:06 * Terkhen goes to recheck everything 18:01:19 <Alberth> Roelmb: that is not single program file, is it? people usually use 'tortoisesvn' or 'patch'. 18:01:38 <Terkhen> I suppose he refers to the version of patch included in mingw32 18:01:52 <Roelmb> i use tortoisesvn and tortoise git but petert said i should use mingw 18:02:31 <Alberth> Terkhen: relative execution speed is more reliable probably 18:02:59 <Terkhen> hmmm... what do you mean? 18:03:28 <Alberth> function f takes x, function g takes 2*x -> g takes twice as much time 18:04:59 <Terkhen> yes, that's how I'm doing it... my unoptimized version takes 80% of trunk time, in past tests it took 120% so I probably messed up somewhere 18:05:12 <Alberth> Roelmb: never used mingw, what command do you enter to patch the source? 18:05:25 <PeterT> patch -p0 -i <filename.diff> 18:06:43 <Terkhen> I always have EOL problems while patching on windows, I don't remember if the same problem is present at mingw 18:08:06 <SpComb> hmm... stolen trees won't work with alpine climate either? 18:08:15 <Rubidium> Terkhen: gprof isn't very reliable; ever N amount of time it looks at what function it is, so for relatively short functions large variations are to be expected 18:08:40 <Alberth> Roelmb: what are the path names in the patch file? do they start with "a/" and b/", as for example "--- a/src/lang/english.txt" ? 18:09:12 <Roelmb> nope without a just /scr/lang/english.txt 18:09:28 <Alberth> /src ? (with a leading / ?) 18:10:00 <Alberth> Terkhen: how to check for EOL problems? 18:10:13 <Terkhen> I'm using the average time of 100 executions (100 ticks each) for TrainLocoHandler, which is a large function 18:10:20 <glx> just use gnuwin32 patch 18:10:38 <glx> msys patch understands only LF 18:10:58 <glx> while gnuwin32 patch understands LF and CRLF 18:11:21 <Alberth> Roelmb: what glx says :) 18:11:27 <Terkhen> Alberth: convert the patch using unix2dos 18:12:01 <Alberth> Roelmb: or convert the patch as suggested by Terkhen, and try again. 18:12:39 <Terkhen> glx: some subversion create diffs with mixed format (LF at the headers, CRLF at the code), and gnuwin32 patch crashes with them 18:12:54 * Alberth cannot understand that people try development at a machine not intended to development 18:13:17 <Terkhen> at least in windows 7 and vista 18:14:12 <Alberth> oh, so nice. Just fighting the OS is not enough, let's add fighting the tools as well :p 18:14:58 <glx> hmm indeed I use patch-2.5.9-1-msys-1.0.11-bin.tar.lzma 18:15:07 <glx> from mingw 18:15:12 <Rubidium> Alberth: but it is a *win*, so it must be good... otherwise it would be called faildos and gnufail32 patch 18:15:29 <Roelmb> now i'm getting crazy 18:16:06 <Alberth> the offer still stands :) 18:16:16 <Roelmb> offer? 18:16:25 <Roelmb> a the DVD 18:16:34 <Roelmb> i'll just download it from the internet 18:19:06 <SpComb> hmm... I have German Town Names loaded, but the town names are still as per defaults 18:20:28 <SpComb> ah, you have to change it in the game settings 18:21:19 <Terkhen> I will never go back to developing OpenTTD in windows... providing binaries for my patches is already bad enough, but having to wait for 30s or more to recompile changes in a single file is a nightmare 18:21:21 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:22:20 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 18:25:49 <Eddi|zuHause> <Terkhen> soon I'll have to learn git to divide the improved acceleration for road vehicles patch in branches... <- please, learn hg instead... 18:26:38 <glx> yes hg is better :) 18:26:45 *** Eoin [eoin@cpc1-dund8-0-0-cust3.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:27:33 <Terkhen> I'll follow your advice: I just need a version control system that does branching, merging and not gives me many headaches 18:28:23 <Eddi|zuHause> git has given me way more headaches that hg yet ;) 18:30:12 <Terkhen> I had enough in the subject were I learnt about subversion: we were only allowed to use tortoisesvn :S (the teacher was either crazy, really hated us or probably both) 18:31:06 <Eddi|zuHause> you had a course about svn? 18:31:33 <Eddi|zuHause> we only had a course where they said "here's the CVS login, go ahead" 18:32:26 <Terkhen> software engineering, he only mentioned that we had to use tortoisesvn in our project and gave us an outdated tutorial 18:33:02 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 18:35:01 <SpComb> hmm, PBI has a "1 = Food processing plants and breweries produce food in temperate, instead of goods" parameter 18:35:04 <SpComb> what's that used for? 18:35:24 <frosch123> if you have houses that accept food 18:35:35 <SpComb> what townsets do? 18:35:54 <PeterT> SpComb: Can you give me the number for your server? 18:36:10 <frosch123> no idea, maybe ttrs 18:37:59 <SpComb> PeterT: it's offline 18:38:06 <PeterT> too bad :-( 18:38:22 <SpComb> frosch123: doens't seem so - mainly I was wondering if it might have been related to alpine 18:38:36 <SpComb> I'd really love the play alpine, but it's a bit iffy with no food 18:38:58 <Eddi|zuHause> so.. who's excited about scrubs? 18:39:07 <peter1138> TaI supports food, iirc 18:39:08 <frosch123> SpComb: then use canset or similiar sets 18:39:13 <frosch123> alpine is pointless 18:39:14 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: scrubs? 18:39:40 <frosch123> it conflicts more with up-to-date grfs than it adds features 18:39:46 <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: just a question, whether that new series remake is worth it 18:40:56 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 18:40:58 <peter1138> bah, what engines to choose once PJ1K has run out? :() 18:41:20 <frosch123> cheat the yeap :p 18:41:47 <SpComb> frosch123: snowy stuff and varying seasons is nice 18:42:16 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:42:19 <frosch123> but there are various other sets out there which provide that 18:42:19 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: i can tell you what i changed in alpine to make it useful 18:42:27 <andythenorth> peter1138: NARS 2 18:42:35 <peter1138> not loaded 18:42:39 <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause: it would be interesting to hear, I forgot what it was that you modified when you mentioned it earlier 18:42:39 <andythenorth> the Americans took over UK freight anyway 18:45:40 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r18773 /trunk/src/lang/ (7 files): (log message trimmed) 18:45:40 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:40 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: afrikaans - 6 changes by burgerd 18:45:40 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: croatian - 36 changes by 18:45:40 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: danish - 3 changes by mgarde 18:45:42 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: dutch - 86 changes by Hirundo 18:45:42 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: french - 1 changes by glx 18:46:20 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: i replaced this line to disable the industries: " 1060 * 6 07 9A 01 00 00" 18:48:06 <Eddi|zuHause> and with "awk /'\t 00 07'/ alpine.nfo" you get all houses, add properties like "0F FE" [=food -2] to the houses that you deem appropriate 18:48:09 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbab09b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:48:31 <Eddi|zuHause> there's a list of the houses in the newgrf specs 18:49:22 <SpComb> disable the temperate industries that alpinew.grf introduces? 18:49:27 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 18:49:35 <SpComb> I'll be using the TTRS houses 18:49:45 <Eddi|zuHause> allows you to load another industry set 18:50:13 <SpComb> although... TTRS3 readme sez: "Changes in v3.02: 18:50:17 <SpComb> -Added food acceptance to houses A..E 18:50:31 <Eddi|zuHause> you should be able to add TTRS houses anyway 18:50:43 <Eddi|zuHause> houses don't conflict as much as industries 18:50:52 <SpComb> but as far as I can tell, TTRS houses don't accept food? 18:50:54 <Eddi|zuHause> but i dislike TTRS 18:51:34 <Eddi|zuHause> houses probably won't accept food if food is disabled by the industry set 18:51:45 <Eddi|zuHause> not sure if that's how it works 18:51:56 <SpComb> hmm yes, they do once I tell PBI to produce food 18:53:21 <SpComb> but only on temperate, it seems 18:53:49 <PeterT> SpComb: we have and CDIS server up 18:54:27 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: so you mainly use the alpine grf just for the temperate terrain in arctic? 18:54:45 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: yes, and the snow-aware houses 18:55:08 <Eddi|zuHause> but now the houses accept food and i can use PBI 18:55:22 <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause: so I presume TTRS already defines food acceptance for its buildings, it just doesn't do that in arctic... 18:55:30 <Eddi|zuHause> unfortunately, the brick chain is not compatible with arctic :( 18:56:09 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-42-212.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:56:15 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc4-newt30-2-0-cust18.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:56:53 <Terkhen> hmmm... I think of my small optimizations finally paid off :) 18:57:01 * Terkhen starts rechecking everything 18:59:16 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-44-222.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 19:01:19 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: am i seeing this right that you didn't bump SAVEGAME_VERSION? 19:01:48 <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause: no, because this is mainly for use with cargodist... 19:01:57 <SpComb> cargodist "bumps" the saveload version to 250 19:03:05 <Eddi|zuHause> so cargodist only expects 4 more version bumps?? 19:03:24 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: it just doesn't do version bumps 19:03:44 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... that's not good for long term "testing"... 19:03:48 *** Splex [~splex@n219079154247.netvigator.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:04:06 <Rubidium> but good for getting the brokeness out of savegames 19:04:34 <Eddi|zuHause> how am i going to play a game for half a year without updating? 19:05:04 <Rubidium> without cargodist 19:05:14 <Eddi|zuHause> how am i going to play a game for half a year without cargodist? 19:05:24 <Rubidium> without updating 19:05:42 <Eddi|zuHause> what if the bucket has a hole? 19:06:04 <Rubidium> then reroute the flow from the hole to the top of the bucket so it refills itself 19:06:46 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: that is a missing feature of all big patches, also IS 19:07:06 <Eddi|zuHause> i can't imagine it being such a huge problem 19:07:12 <Eddi|zuHause> the miniin managed it fine... 19:08:45 <Rubidium> only after I showed him how to do it, and even then it was most of the time me or glx that did it... 19:09:23 <SpComb> bah, can't make sense out of this NFO :P 19:09:36 <SpComb> I presume it would be perfectly possible to hack TTRS to accept food in alpine, but... 19:10:28 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: like i said, the acceptance of TTRS is dependent on an industry set providing food 19:10:40 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: but alpine disables food 19:10:49 <SpComb> hmm... but if you have alpine, and also PBI? 19:11:13 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: because i added that line that skips all industry related stuff from alpine 19:13:11 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: i didn't test TTRS, because i hate it 19:13:26 <Eddi|zuHause> houses just aren't supposed to be green... 19:13:50 <SpComb> heh 19:14:02 <Alberth> finally an environmentally friendly house :p 19:14:09 <SpComb> what's the original '07 88 04 GG 6D 62 08 00 01' check for? Some other GRF? 19:14:13 <Muxy> Hello tycooners, about new widget system, is there some doc around in the wiki or somewhere else ? 19:14:24 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: that's the "newcargo[w].grf" 19:14:38 <Alberth> somewhere else, let me find it again 19:15:00 <PeterT> Windows 9x failed :-( 19:15:14 * fjb knows a lot of green houses. 19:15:14 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: that check only skips the next line (factory?) 19:15:25 <Eddi|zuHause> my line skips to the end of the file 19:15:27 <Alberth> Muxy: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=42222&start=0 19:15:46 <Muxy> thxs Alberth, running on it... 19:15:46 <Alberth> there is a pdf there 19:16:00 <Muxy> is there any wizzard ? hehehe 19:16:14 <Alberth> also, there is doxygen documentation, which is more up to date 19:16:25 <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause: well, once I 'fix' that sprite and load PBI, the TTRS towns accept food 19:16:40 <Alberth> Muxy: sure, your wizard is sitting between the chair and the keyboard 19:16:50 <Muxy> yeap but its how to declare the stuff, not sure that doxy will tell me 19:16:52 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: that's exactly what i said it would do ;) 19:17:03 <SpComb> indeed, I just didn't believe you 19:17:13 * Muxy has some kind of magic then 19:17:19 <SpComb> thought it might have been climate-dependant, but that doesn't make any sense - disabling food on arctic :P 19:17:32 <SpComb> nice to see that they still accept both food and goods 19:18:58 *** Splex [~splex@n219079154247.netvigator.com] has joined #openttd 19:19:04 <Muxy> hum, beautifull PDF, nice work Alberth. 19:19:21 <Alberth> LaTeX did most of the work :) 19:20:17 <SpComb> next issue: the terragen fails to place any towns above the snowline... 19:21:13 <SpComb> but that's just a question of Terrain Type and Variety distribution 19:21:42 <SpComb> introudction any variety makes the mountains way too small 19:22:31 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: it fails to place towns on non-flat tiles 19:22:40 <Eddi|zuHause> nothing to do with snow line... 19:22:49 <SpComb> Mountanious + Low seems to work ok 19:23:11 <Eddi|zuHause> you can also reduce the roughness 19:23:58 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbab09b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:24:27 <SpComb> a delicate balance - then the terrain becomes too boring to build on :( 19:24:28 <Eddi|zuHause> just the guy i wanted to "lynch" [is that a word?]... 19:25:28 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: on high roughness i rarely could place a station at all... 19:25:37 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe that got better with the variety distribution 19:25:40 <peter1138> if you mean gang up on and beat in retaliation, yes 19:25:57 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: that sounds like what i had in mind ;) 19:26:14 <PeterT> has anyone managed to create MSVC binaires with the correct GIT version numbers? 19:26:23 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@vps.jontysewell.net] has quit [Quit: foo foo foo] 19:26:38 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@vps.jontysewell.net] has joined #openttd 19:26:43 <Eddi|zuHause> fonsinchen: so, what has made you decide to shit on savegame compatibility? 19:28:11 *** Roelmb [~roelyves@91.176.236.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:29:58 *** Madis [~Madis@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 19:30:13 *** Madis [~Madis@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has quit [] 19:30:45 *** Madis [~Madis@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 19:31:15 *** Madis [~Madis@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has quit [] 19:38:16 <PeterT> during the time that MSVC says "Generating code", what does it d? 19:38:18 <PeterT> *do? 19:38:23 <PeterT> what kind of code? 19:38:34 <fonsinchen> Eddi|zuHause: It's very complicated to maintain savegame compatibility in patches. 19:38:38 <peter1138> it generates code 19:38:48 <peter1138> machine code 19:38:58 <peter1138> you don't half ask the stupidest questions 19:39:01 <PeterT> the .exe? 19:39:36 <welshdragon> peter1138: that's why he got 'biggest spammer' 19:39:49 <fonsinchen> There's also different dimensions of savegame compatibility. 19:39:55 <SpComb> hmm... stolen trees don't really work on alpine 19:40:13 <PeterT> I was hoping for a more in-depth answer 19:40:39 <PeterT> not "doh, it generates code, ur a spamma!" 19:40:46 <fonsinchen> A given version of cargodist is compatible to the trunk version it belongs to and all previous trunk version. It's not compatible to cargodist versions which belong to a trunk version with lower savegame version. 19:40:52 <SpComb> http://qmsk.net/~terom/openttd/screenshots/alpine-stolentrees.png 19:41:08 <welshdragon> SpComb: ololol 19:41:13 <SpComb> fail :( 19:41:39 <peter1138> the trees have shaken their branches 19:41:41 <sawtooth> snow-proof trees 19:42:09 <SpComb> http://qmsk.net/~terom/openttd/screenshots/alpine-stolentrees-big.png 19:42:30 *** Splex [~splex@n219079154247.netvigator.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:42:46 <Eddi|zuHause> fonsinchen: yes, but what made you decide against the "miniin" system, that both maintained trunk compatibility and (limited, but useful) patch compatibility 19:43:03 <__ln> does someone know what happens if one misses a connecting flight due to lengthy passport control / other stuff in the USA? 19:43:59 <andythenorth> you get to see more of an airport? 19:44:25 <andythenorth> if it's continental, your connecting flight was probably (a) overbooked and (b) late anyway 19:44:27 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc4-newt30-2-0-cust18.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:44:34 <Rubidium> depending on how you got the ticket, you're screwed or the company where you bought the ticket has to pay because they gave you tickets with a too short connection time 19:44:44 <fonsinchen> Eddi|zuHause: the additional work required 19:44:46 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln: i'm sure you get to meet many people saying "why should _I_ care?" 19:45:28 <Eddi|zuHause> fonsinchen: that's the thing, i don't believe there's much work beyond the initial setup 19:45:31 <Rubidium> having said that... why would anyone want to go to the USA now? 19:45:40 <__ln> let's assume the whole trip is on one ticket, sold by one company. 19:46:23 <Rubidium> read the tiny letters of the agreement; it should be covered there, if not... assume the worst 19:47:02 <fonsinchen> Eddi|zuHause: I'd have to write conversion methods for my own old versions in addition to those for the latest trunk version. It'd get messy. 19:48:21 <__ln> welll... the connection is only 1d 16h by greyhound. 19:49:06 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln: go by train. it'll be 7 times the time for only twice the price as plane... 19:49:31 <Eddi|zuHause> and you might get to meet summer glau ;) 19:49:53 <__ln> right, except i don't believe there are trains in the US and A 19:49:59 <Rubidium> just hope she doesn't terminate you 19:50:01 <Eddi|zuHause> (or maybe i just watched too much The Big Bang Theory ;)) 19:50:42 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: AS A VAGINA ONCE SAID: <yorick> SOMEONE BAN HIM] 19:51:27 <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause: so is distributing a modified alpinew.grf a big no-no? 19:51:52 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: it's complicated... 19:51:54 *** Splex [~splex@n219079154247.netvigator.com] has joined #openttd 19:51:56 <Rubidium> grfdiff/grfmerge ? 19:52:12 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: technically, the license doesn't allow modifying 19:52:16 <SpComb> indeed 19:52:26 <Rubidium> but German law does for compatability reasons, right? 19:52:32 <SpComb> (or rather, distributing a modified version) 19:52:35 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: but german copyright allowes distributing modifications "for providing compatibility" 19:52:42 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbab09b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:53:42 <Hirundo> Do towns ever build tunnels? 19:53:47 <Eddi|zuHause> Hirundo: no 19:54:06 <Eddi|zuHause> Hirundo: but they expand through tunnels if you build them 19:54:35 <Hirundo> Ok, thanks for the info 19:54:57 <Ammler> MB would allow you, if you ask... 19:55:32 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: but i wouldn't distribute my "hack" like this, the proper way would be adding a parameter 19:55:34 <__ln> seriously, wtf, company A sells flights with plane change at Dallas with as little as 1h 15m of time between flights. and the "baggage acceptance cutoff time" is 40 minutes. 19:55:42 <SpComb> I guess it's best to change the GRF ID, name and descr? 19:55:45 <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause: true 19:55:54 <SpComb> that should be simple 19:56:29 <__ln> so one has 35 minutes to get out of the plane, get through the passport/immigration control, fetch the baggage, and re-checkin them. 19:57:48 <Rubidium> there's one thing you can be fairly sure of, 1h 15 isn't enough time to get your checked bags through customs 19:59:05 <PeterT> Rubidium: Thanks for telling me about adding it to global PATH 19:59:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i guess it's different when you switch between international flights or from international to national flights 19:59:11 <PeterT> the git for MSVC 19:59:16 <PeterT> works perfectly 19:59:25 <Eddi|zuHause> because we didn't even get to see our baggage when we switched planes in iceland 19:59:34 <Eddi|zuHause> back in 2000, when flying was "easy" 19:59:35 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: iceland != USA 19:59:48 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Quit: PACKET_CLIENT_QUIT] 20:00:10 *** Uberubert [~chatzilla@95.169.45.94] has joined #openttd 20:00:11 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: exactly, there it was two international flights, so you never left the international part of the airport 20:00:54 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-211-133.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Bye, be back soon] 20:01:00 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: in Dulles it took longer for the bags to finally show up than to get through immigration, and the queues for immigration were *long* 20:01:07 <__ln> Eddi|zuHause: but as far as i understand, you'd need to go through customs (with your baggage) at the first place you arrive at. 20:01:21 <Eddi|zuHause> i think we flew frankfurt->iceland->JFK and baltimore->iceland->frankfurt 20:01:55 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: and for USA international airport -> whatever-in-the-US == national flight 20:01:59 <Eddi|zuHause> and we went new york->philadelphia by train and philadelphia->washington by bus 20:02:28 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-16-169.A149.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 20:02:31 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: that's why i said, it's going to be different 20:03:35 <SpComb> http://qmsk.net/~terom/openttd/patches/alpinew-noindust.diff 20:03:56 <Eddi|zuHause> back in 2000, immigration was filling out a form that said you aren't going to murder the president, and the guy asking whether you're here for business or as tourist... 20:04:17 <__ln> company A would just have damn cheap flights, ~540EUR helsinki - california 20:04:46 <SpComb> although... now the dbsetxl gets disabled 20:05:44 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, it checks the grfid 20:06:00 <SpComb> meh, so not a good idea changing the grfid after all 20:08:15 <Ammler> what about creating a dummy industry with the id of the cargoset? 20:08:26 <Ammler> dummy newgrf* 20:08:59 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: doesn't do the same thing 20:09:21 <Ammler> ah, you skip rest 20:12:26 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 20:17:42 <SpComb> on to the next topic, how safe is it to raise the values of MAX_LENGTH_VEHICLE_NAME_BYTES/PIXELS 20:17:58 <SpComb> it's currently 13b/150px, which isn't very much 20:18:23 <SpComb> er, 31b 20:18:40 <SpComb> (but it's mainly the 150px that limits name lengths) 20:18:59 <peter1138> try it ;) 20:21:36 <SpComb> 250px just and just fits into the default vehicle window width 20:30:51 *** Roelmb [~roelyves@91.176.236.215] has joined #openttd 20:31:44 *** Roelmb [~roelyves@91.176.236.215] has quit [] 20:33:23 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r18774 /trunk/src/vehicle_gui.cpp: -Change: Consider callback 19 only broken after subcargos 0 to 255 have been used, instead of stopping at 15. 20:35:14 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123 is reading the forum, i see ;) 20:37:46 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-211-133.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:38:26 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-211-133.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 20:38:34 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-211-133.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:38:46 <frosch123> yeah, it is a lucky forum. it has petert to apply&compile patches, and eddi to report subversion messages :p 20:39:12 <Eddi|zuHause> :) 20:39:16 <PeterT> hehe 20:39:41 <welshdragon> right 20:39:58 <welshdragon> i have xcode 20:40:05 <PeterT> wow, long download, eh? 20:40:12 <welshdragon> PeterT: what was i compiling? 20:40:19 <PeterT> cargodist + IS? 20:40:22 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: it's not my fault that you are too slow to submit forum posts ;) 20:40:32 <welshdragon> i think it was 20:40:49 <welshdragon> or it was the patch that SpComb made 20:41:20 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: i was wondering how to provoke mb to answer "ottd should disable broken grfs" 20:41:36 <frosch123> (which would hit dbset :p) 20:41:37 <Eddi|zuHause> welshdragon: that's the daylength patch, that doesn't need merging ;) 20:42:02 <welshdragon> ah 20:42:05 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: ah. so by "some grfs" you mean "the dbset"? ;=) 20:42:08 <welshdragon> so only a binary making? 20:42:16 <welshdragon> shuweet 20:42:38 <frosch123> it is one of them, yes :) 20:43:08 <Eddi|zuHause> so, how does The Patch handle it? 20:43:40 <frosch123> did not look, likely similiar 20:44:33 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i learned a new word: "disappearify" 20:44:37 <frosch123> i guess it is quite likely that dbset was some testcase for the it, so it was written accordingly :p 20:45:17 <PeterT> whatever happened to the binaries made here? http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/cargodist/ 20:45:52 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: those were manually started builds by the compile farm 20:46:00 <PeterT> I see 20:46:10 <PeterT> why aren't they made anymore? 20:46:44 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: rather "why were they made in the first place?" 20:47:41 <SpComb> bleep bleep merge conflict 20:47:44 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: technically, the compile farm is open for major projects to reserve a regular "nigtly" spot 20:48:25 <PeterT> and since cargodist isn't updated every day 20:48:27 <Eddi|zuHause> if the patch author requests it, and a dev approves 20:48:42 <Eddi|zuHause> "nightly" doesn't automatically mean "every day" 20:49:03 <Eddi|zuHause> i think the miniin had twice a week 20:50:45 <PeterT> @commit 18772 20:50:48 <DorpsGek> PeterT: Commit by rubidium :: r18772 trunk/src/saveload/saveload.cpp (2010-01-10 15:35:13 UTC) 20:50:49 <DorpsGek> PeterT: -Feature-ish: allow user customisable compression levels for the zlib compression 20:50:56 <PeterT> How is that customized? 20:51:13 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: in the .cfg, i presume 20:51:36 <PeterT> So, 1 would be most compressed and 7 least? 20:51:41 <PeterT> or other numbers 20:52:03 <Eddi|zuHause> no... 0 [lowest] through 9 [highest] i believe 20:52:07 <Eddi|zuHause> with default being 6 20:52:26 <Rubidium> still lzma is better :) 20:52:39 <Rubidium> ~10% smaller with same CPU usage 20:52:50 <peter1138> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=zlib+compression+level 20:52:50 <PeterT> with higher compression comes higher de-compression time? 20:52:52 <SpComb> cargodist doesn't merge cleanly with latest trunk anymore, presumeably after the v->tick_counter change :( 20:53:26 <PeterT> @seen fonsinchen 20:53:26 <DorpsGek> PeterT: fonsinchen was last seen in #openttd 1 hour, 6 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <fonsinchen> Eddi|zuHause: I'd have to write conversion methods for my own old versions in addition to those for the latest trunk version. It'd get messy. 20:53:44 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: that's likely why he has not updated it yet 20:54:16 <welshdragon> hmm 20:54:24 <welshdragon> libiconv is taking ages to get 20:55:28 <Eddi|zuHause> welshdragon: get a real operating system 20:55:40 <welshdragon> Eddi|zuHause: f.u. 20:55:50 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, funny me ;) 20:56:23 <welshdragon> Eddi|zuHause: at least it isn't hardware that is the issue 20:56:34 <welshdragon> it's a library 20:56:44 <Eddi|zuHause> welshdragon: speaking of which, what happened to your ram? 20:56:51 <welshdragon> it works 20:57:02 <welshdragon> couple of BSOD's on 7 after i reboot 20:57:06 <welshdragon> but it works 20:57:53 <Eddi|zuHause> welshdragon: anyway, why is it more difficult than "<packet-manager> install libiconv-devel"? 20:58:23 <welshdragon> Eddi|zuHause: i am following the wiki 20:59:22 * SpComb tries a 365.0K .patch 20:59:31 <PeterT> welshdragon: Once you compile clean trunk, can you tell me how long it takes on a Mac? 20:59:46 <welshdragon> PeterT: sure 20:59:50 <PeterT> thanks 20:59:53 <ashb> welshdragon: if you'r on OSX i recomend homebrew over macports/fink 20:59:55 <PeterT> Linux is the fastest 21:00:01 <PeterT> then MSVC on a good windows computer 21:00:10 <welshdragon> ashb: a bit late for that 21:00:15 <ashb> :) 21:00:23 <ashb> http://github.com/mxcl/homebrew/ 21:01:27 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 21:01:42 <PeterT> welshdragon: What step are you on? 21:02:02 <welshdragon> To compile a static binary (for redistribution) you will need these as well: 21:02:19 <welshdragon> sudo install fontconfig 21:03:08 <PeterT> welshdragon: read the warning, it mentions GIT, and that's what you will need to get cargodist 21:03:38 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 21:03:46 <welshdragon> hmph 21:04:28 <welshdragon> at the moment i can't do anything 21:06:04 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: assuming the package manager does not crash when started, like mine atm :p 21:09:17 <SpComb> Rubidium: r18774 fails to compile with ./configure --without-liblzo2 - two "error: 'LZO_SIZE' was not declared in this scope" in saveload/saveload.cpp 21:10:31 <Rubidium> bah... what's using LZO_SIZE outside of the LZO code... bad code 21:17:19 <peter1138> ReadNoComp 21:17:24 <peter1138> InitNoComp 21:19:11 <welshdragon> FFS 21:19:24 <welshdragon> ./configure doesn't work 21:19:50 <Noldo> my money is on user error 21:20:04 <welshdragon> hmm 21:20:24 <Terkhen> I don't get enough precision using gconf... at the same build, "cumulative seconds" can vary from 0.76 to 3.22 21:20:40 <Terkhen> it is too noisy to get any conclusions 21:21:02 <welshdragon> i CD'd into /mark/openttd/src 21:21:03 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18775 /trunk/src/saveload/saveload.cpp: -Fix (r18769): non-LZO code used LZO defines, also replace #define with static const uint and add some documentation. 21:21:09 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 21:21:27 <PeterT> welshdragon: Update your source 21:21:28 <welshdragon> that was the fault 21:21:30 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:21:35 <welshdragon> i was in /src 21:21:37 * Terkhen will give TIC TOC another try 21:21:45 <welshdragon> i should have jut been in /openttd 21:22:59 <PeterT> welshdragon: Do you have LZO library? 21:23:04 <welshdragon> nope 21:23:11 <welshdragon> i'll install it afterwards 21:23:41 <welshdragon> at the moment i want to figure out why make isn't working 21:24:06 <welshdragon> (as that is what the wiki says, and yet it causes errors) 21:24:15 <Terkhen> you should install compilation requirements before trying to compile 21:25:50 <welshdragon> well, that's funny 21:26:00 <welshdragon> as there is no mention of that on the wiki page 21:26:12 <Terkhen> that requirement was introduced today 21:26:22 <Terkhen> I suppose nobody has still updated the wiki for your platform 21:26:27 <welshdragon> nope 21:26:37 <welshdragon> and i've got no idea how to get that lobrary 21:26:41 <welshdragon> *library 21:27:00 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 21:27:22 <Terkhen> which OS are you using? 21:27:31 <PeterT> http://www.freshports.org/archivers/lzo2/ 21:27:36 <welshdragon> OSX 21:27:45 <PeterT> http://lzo2.darwinports.com/ 21:27:46 <PeterT> there 21:27:48 <Terkhen> hmmm... sorry, I don't know about it 21:28:33 <PeterT> welshdragon: Ask in #openttdcoop.devzone, planemaker is there 21:28:36 <PeterT> he is a mac user 21:29:08 <KenjiE20> I'm pretty sure he's here too tbh 21:33:48 <Terkhen> I wonder why I have 130 tunnel connection adapters at Windows 7 21:34:10 <Terkhen> I have to grep ipconfig output to know my IP, because the output is too long 21:37:37 <Alberth> just to make you lost in the maze of tunnels 21:41:27 <SmatZ> vmware adds ~8 virtual adapters 21:41:49 <__ln> "In the interest of safety, if the flight is full and you have not reserved an additional seat, you may not be allowed to board if your build does not permit you to sit comfortably in a single seat." 21:43:23 <Terkhen> I suppose at least some of them are caused by virtualbox, but 130 is just ridiculous... after googling it seems to be related to IPv6 21:43:37 <Terkhen> I'll have to live with them 21:43:37 <SpComb> hmm, still some of the original buildings show up in alpine towns with TTRS loaded and the first param set to 0 21:43:58 <SpComb> guess it's one of those alpine things 21:44:33 <PeterT> how does git take so long just so Initialize a repo in a folder??? 21:45:44 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r18776 /trunk/src/vehicle_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Use SmallVector to collect refit options. 21:46:02 <frosch123> git is known to be slow on win 21:47:09 <PeterT> hm 21:48:17 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln: it's like hurley from lost ;)# 21:48:24 <SpComb> __ln: ./configure --enable-lean 21:50:18 * SpComb trialed a r18774 + cargodist + is2 + daylength + misc other fixes with alpine + pbi + dbsetxl + ttrs 21:50:21 <SpComb> worked! 21:51:01 <SmatZ> "worked" as in "intro screen showed without crashing"? :) 21:51:25 <Terkhen> TIC TOC seems to be more precise... let's see if I stop getting strange results 21:51:33 <SpComb> no, worked as in "short multiplayer game with two players/companies, some IS-style busses and farm + food transport" 21:51:47 <PeterT> who did you play with? 21:51:55 <PeterT> I wasn't invited :-( 21:51:57 <SpComb> just a short 15min game with a friend 21:52:08 * SpComb feeds PeterT http://qmsk.net/~terom/openttd/patches/everything-00-trunk-r18774.patch 21:52:28 <SpComb> although I wouldn't publish a build, since it's got some cargodist merges by meself in it 21:52:47 <PeterT> I'm not going to 21:56:37 <PeterT> SpComb: I'm more interested in the "misc other fixes" 21:56:47 <SpComb> the stuff in that dir 21:56:59 <SpComb> vehicle-name-length, cargodist-is2-linkgraph, daily-autosave 21:56:59 <PeterT> daylenght, minimap fix, and daily autosave? 22:08:48 *** khm [~khm@ip70-176-240-41.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:15:07 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejg204.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 22:22:07 <welshdragon> hmm 22:22:11 <welshdragon> Waiting for lock on /opt/local/var/macports/build/_opt_local_var_macports_sources_rsync.macports.org_release_ports_textproc_libiconv/work/.macports.libiconv.state 22:22:25 <welshdragon> that's been like that for 30 minutes 22:23:21 <Eddi|zuHause> means you have something open that blocks it 22:23:33 <welshdragon> yes 22:23:41 <welshdragon> i may have to restart 22:24:06 <peter1138> install a real os? 22:24:09 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 22:24:26 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe382.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:26:16 <__ln> macports is not a part of OS X. 22:26:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.178.218] has joined #openttd 22:26:59 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 22:30:09 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [] 22:30:46 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:31:44 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@89.246.203.184] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:31:57 <PeterT> why don't you consider OS X a real OS? 22:36:05 <Eddi|zuHause> because it isn't 22:36:17 <PeterT> why though? 22:36:25 <Eddi|zuHause> because! 22:36:26 <ashb> its more of a real OPS than windows is 22:36:27 <PeterT> because of it's developing? 22:37:05 <Eddi|zuHause> it isn't even supported by openttd, it can't be a real os 22:37:35 <welshdragon> that's because OpenTTD Developers don't have the resiurces 22:37:49 <Eddi|zuHause> they would have, if it was a real os 22:38:11 <SmatZ> hehe 22:38:45 <welshdragon> it is a real Operating system 22:39:04 <luckz> ashb: what makes it "more real"? 22:39:04 <Eddi|zuHause> it is not. 22:39:26 <Rubidium> how can something be an "operating system" when the system doesn't operate in virtual box? 22:39:27 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:39:51 <luckz> Rubidium: I'm sure you could make it work in some VM, with enough molestation 22:40:08 <welshdragon> http://i.imgur.com/YRoqC.jpg < 3rd colmn, second row 22:40:23 <Eddi|zuHause> luckz: believe me, they did A LOT of molestation... 22:40:34 <welshdragon> That's what you developers see a Mac as. don't you? 22:41:00 <Rubidium> luckz: you can make a woman from a man with enough molestation, does that make it a real woman? 22:41:20 <luckz> Rubidium: according to laws etc by all means yes. 22:41:56 <Rubidium> guess we should tell that loophole to the Americans then... 22:41:58 <luckz> Rubidium: christians become christians by labelling themselves as such, obama became afro-american by labelling himself as such. 22:42:37 <PeterT> anybody with windows have God Mode? 22:42:39 <luckz> and you violate the Basic Human Rights of somebody if you tell them they can't be a cute girl. 22:42:59 <luckz> PeterT: spoilers, it's not called that. and no, I'm on vista64 and that is broken permanently if you try to have that kinda party. 22:43:19 <PeterT> yes it is 22:43:21 <PeterT> I have it 22:43:25 <PeterT> I just opened it 22:43:26 <luckz> no it is not. 22:43:28 <andythenorth> in all my time of #openttd, I've never seen an OS holy war. I'm not sticking around for this one :P 22:43:31 <PeterT> and you are royally screwed 22:43:36 <andythenorth> good night :) 22:43:41 <PeterT> night, OSless man 22:43:44 <luckz> unless you mean "yes it is" => screwed 22:43:48 <luckz> and not = called godmode 22:43:50 <Rubidium> night andythenorth 22:44:06 <luckz> you could call the folder (OpenTTDMode) 22:44:17 <Rubidium> luckz: but... what country cares about the basic human rights lately? 22:44:29 <Rubidium> with all those insane government control things 22:44:42 <Rubidium> that are just pointless... 22:44:50 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has left #openttd [] 22:44:59 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: human rights are only cool when pressuring other countries to obey them... 22:45:53 <luckz> Eddi|zuHause: the petty thief can tell the mass-murderer that murder is wrong. 22:46:04 <luckz> nothing wrong with that. 22:46:37 <Rubidium> luckz: yeah, but who is wrong when invading a country for some stupid reasons that are just already known to be incorrect? 22:46:54 <Eddi|zuHause> luckz: but it has gotten to the point where everybody says to china "internet filtering is wrong" and china says "we only filter pornography" and every country then saying "we need a pornography filter" 22:47:25 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-211-133.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Goodbye] 22:47:36 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-211-133.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:48:15 <luckz> http://db.xbench.com/merge.xhtml?doc2=256720 <- and somebody at least has some OSX running in Vbox. 22:49:21 <Rubidium> oh that reminds me... use children to carry explosives onto a plane because that full-body scanner is apparantly illegal for children as it depicts computer generated images of naked children 22:49:52 <SpComb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24JDBIp_amo&feature=related <-- quick, someone make a giant-screenshot timelapse video of a 512x512 map! 22:49:53 <Rubidium> and just keep using what they've been using lately for explosives in planes, the scanners they're going to use can't detect that either 22:49:56 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, it's the coolest exploit ever :p 22:50:31 <Terkhen> finally, I finished the optimizations of the unified acceleration code :) http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=847721#p847721 22:50:41 <luckz> Eddi|zuHause: to continue my analogy party, you see the neighbour carry a corpse into his car and drive away. when confronted, he says he was bringing the trash to a nearby dump (assume some weird place without garbage trucks!). then you tell your wife that disposing of your trash is wrong. 22:50:52 <Terkhen> I'm still not sure about the results, but I have triple checked everything 22:50:55 <luckz> (china sure does not 'only filter pornography' and you know it) 22:50:59 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, that's funny too... everybody is suddenly screaming "hey, we need those scanners", and the people who sell them say "wait a minute... we couldn't have detected that either..." 22:51:38 <Eddi|zuHause> luckz: how and why would i "know" it? 22:51:45 <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't used internet in china 22:51:53 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know what they block... 22:52:20 <Eddi|zuHause> and i don't know whether they block cnn.com because there was nudity in a picture either 22:52:37 <luckz> Eddi|zuHause: back in the day, one fairly easy way to demonstrate some parts was to search on a google-like chinese page for the chinese character for "freedom" and find yourself IP-blocked immediately. 22:52:47 <SpComb> all the OpenTTD videos on youtube are boring :( 22:52:51 <luckz> sure not debating that 'pornography filters' are massively moronic. 22:53:23 <Rubidium> just look at the Australian filter... it's not working 22:53:34 <luckz> but then, you need to be a mighty dunce/ignoramus to contest that, anyway. 22:53:40 <welshdragon> /shameluss plug: if you want to help users with compiling/patching OpenTTD, or you need help yourself: /j #compile 22:53:49 <welshdragon> /end shameless plug 22:53:55 <SpComb> they said internet filters were 100% accurate and didn't hurt performance 22:54:12 <Eddi|zuHause> luckz: also, out of several hundred items on the finnish child pornography blacklist, only one did contain actual child pornography, the others were either long abandoned pages or pages that protested against the filtering 22:54:56 <SpComb> well, the majority were normal porn sites 22:55:05 <fjb> Best part is that nobody is allowed to know what is filtered. 22:55:05 <SpComb> iirc 22:55:14 <SpComb> yes, of course the lists are secret :) 22:55:20 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: right, i forgot those 22:55:54 <luckz> Eddi|zuHause: as I said -> < luckz> sure not debating that 'pornography filters' are massively moronic. 22:55:57 <Eddi|zuHause> s/secret/leaked/ :p 22:56:36 <welshdragon> hmm 22:56:41 <welshdragon> i'm about to be very hacky 22:56:57 <Eddi|zuHause> the former german family minister had a huge blooper last year, saying that in "countries like iran" child pornography was legal... 22:57:11 <welshdragon> i've downloaded the libiconv tar file, as it was failing 22:57:42 <welshdragon> and now i need to extract it to the right location 22:57:49 <Eddi|zuHause> while she was reading a statistics wrongly... iran does not have a law against child pornography, but it did not consider that even normal pornography is illegal 23:01:19 *** ecke [~ecke@109.74.144.14] has joined #openttd 23:03:03 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@170.80-203-76.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 23:03:38 <__ln> welshdragon: what do you need libiconv tar file for? 23:03:49 <PeterT> compile? 23:03:55 <SpComb> on an related note, wikileaks has a donation page up - replacing everything else >_< 23:04:07 <PeterT> on his non-real OS 23:04:12 <__ln> PeterT: we already have a statement that you cannot read. so. 23:04:55 <welshdragon> __ln: as that is what it started downloading when I needed lzo 23:05:19 <__ln> i see. 23:05:40 <__ln> just remember that OS X comes with some version of libiconv. 23:06:55 <welshdragon> __ln: yes 23:06:59 <welshdragon> i am aware 23:07:23 <welshdragon> but at the moment it is trying o download the file, unsuccessfully 23:07:57 <__ln> Eddi|zuHause: the finnish childporn blacklist mostly blocked (and still blocks) regular porn sites, and also quite a number of sites that are not even porn-related. and at least one site that critisizes the existence of the blocklist. 23:08:10 *** JVassie^ [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:08:24 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln: yes, that is what i meant 23:08:25 <SpComb> http://lapsiporno.info/suodatuslista/?lang=en 23:08:27 <SpComb> i.e. 23:09:38 <__ln> and indeed SpComb's link shows what i was about to say, almost all of the sites are/were located in the US or in western Europe. 23:10:16 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, it's basically invalidating all reasons that are given to introduce a blacklist in the first place 23:13:21 <SpComb^_> routing loop'd 23:14:13 <__ln> there's also a court ruling now that says one cannot appeal about one's own site getting on to that list, because the list is not the kind of thing anyone can appeal about (to anywhere). 23:14:43 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:16:02 *** SpComb^_ is now known as SpComb^ 23:18:21 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:20:23 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18777 /trunk/src/ai/ (7 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: remove some unused parameters from a function 23:20:24 *** Uberubert [~chatzilla@95.169.45.94] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:20:25 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9987.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... Der, der bläht, als hinterster geht!] 23:20:46 <PeterT> the best commits are under-the-hood 23:21:46 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln: of course, why would you build the right for appeal into a law, when the affected person is never allowed to even know that he is on the list 23:22:37 <SpComb^> well, it's possible to determine if your site is on the list or not 23:22:55 <SpComb^> one interesting aspect was the libel one 23:23:10 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb^: yes, but that makes you automatically a criminal ;) 23:23:19 <SpComb^> i.e. if the police are telling a million ISP users that you're putting child porn on your site, what's the significance of that? 23:23:58 <SpComb^> you wouldn't be surprised if I were to tell you that the maintiner of the protest site got angry emails after his site was blacklisted 23:25:55 <__ln> also there is reason to believe that the police did nothing to get those illegal sites closed down. 23:31:39 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 23:32:31 <Eddi|zuHause> i believe the german law for the filter is dead 23:32:55 *** Eoin [eoin@cpc1-dund8-0-0-cust3.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 23:33:04 <Eddi|zuHause> they quickly pushed it through before the election, but after the election the coalition partners changed so they agreed on not enforcing the law 23:33:04 <Terkhen> good night 23:33:05 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@25.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 23:33:28 <Eddi|zuHause> after that, the president who was about to sign the law said: "what the fuck am i going to do with this now?" 23:33:33 <Eddi|zuHause> and threw it away... 23:34:51 <Eddi|zuHause> there are still some direct treaties with some ISPs who were signed before passing the law, but they might be ruled unconstitutional 23:41:36 <__ln> nobody thinks about the children! 23:41:58 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 23:44:34 <Eddi|zuHause> it's so sad it's funny again... the former family minister had seven children, which makes her somewhat qualified for the job, but in the new cabinet they made her work minister (as if she ever worked in her life), and the new family minister is unmarried and has no children at all... 23:44:49 <SmatZ> hehe 23:52:16 *** noeN [~Neon@dslb-088-069-234-056.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Something strange must have happened...] 23:55:23 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:56:10 *** Uberubert [~chatzilla@95.169.45.94] has joined #openttd