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00:00:34 <Rubidium> planetmaker: good idea to keep the wiki small; would you remove all 32bpp related content from OpenTTD's wiki? 00:00:48 <planetmaker> :-D 00:01:10 <planetmaker> not honestly, eh? 00:02:11 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 00:02:26 <Rubidium> go mirroring! :) 00:02:30 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:02:30 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 00:03:34 <planetmaker> :-P 00:04:27 <OwenS> This mirroring talk is just reminding me I have a new hard-disk to buy :-( 00:06:01 <OwenS> And that I'm going to have to pay for it to be overnighted :-( 00:06:06 <OwenS> To arrive Friday :-( 00:06:25 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: how about giving the 32bpp people their own wiki? 00:08:42 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B756FE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:09:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75C79.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:10:06 <planetmaker> DaleStan: could you please add two entries to the TOC of the newgrf wiki: Action0AirportTiles and VarAction2AirportTiles. 00:10:48 <planetmaker> DaleStan: The latter doesn't yet exist as it'd be identical to the industry tiles page, but each feature has its own. Or possibly rename the VarAction2 page accordingly 00:10:49 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-79-136-5-149.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 00:11:37 <Yexo> normal action2 for airporttiles is the same as normal action2 for houses and industry tiles 00:14:17 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:18:53 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:20:04 <planetmaker> Yes. That's why I didn't write anything there 00:20:17 <Yexo> ok :) 00:20:18 <planetmaker> It could / should be mentioned there, I guess... 00:20:25 <Yexo> not really needed 00:20:29 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:20:36 <Yexo> only thing that still needs updaitng is the callback list 00:20:46 <Yexo> I can do that myself in a minute 00:20:54 <planetmaker> Hm, ok :-) 00:21:04 <planetmaker> I guess I shall go to bed in a few minutes ;-) 00:21:53 <Yexo> planetmaker: the newgrf makefile system doesn't recompile if only a pcx file is changed, correct? 00:22:01 <planetmaker> action0 is easy to find in the code, but I find the varactions2 notoriously bad to find... 00:22:08 <planetmaker> Yexo: it *should* recompile 00:22:23 <planetmaker> If it doesn't I failed half the reason to rewrite it. 00:22:30 <Yexo> oh, I was doing up+enter, but that was "hg push", not "make" 00:22:42 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9381.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... Der, der blÀht, als hinterster geht!] 00:22:44 <planetmaker> :-D 00:23:58 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 00:24:04 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:24:05 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 00:24:12 <planetmaker> uff... then I don't need to loose complete faith in my ability to test what I just wrote ;-) 00:25:03 <planetmaker> and now good night :-) 00:25:25 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 00:25:37 <roboboy> hello 00:25:48 <Yexo> gn planetmaker 00:25:52 <PeterT> Hi roboboy 00:26:07 <roboboy> it seems DOS OpenTTD does not like HMMEM386 being loaded 00:26:53 <planetmaker> FILE_SRC_EXTENSIONS = pnfo template 00:26:59 <planetmaker> FILE_INC_EXTENSIONS = wav pcx 00:27:09 <Yexo> yes, it did work :) 00:27:09 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:27:25 <planetmaker> ^ Yexo those are the lines which define the file extensions which are searched for further dependencies, the latter are terminal 00:27:27 <Yexo> small airport is now fully done, and it works (in trunk, not in 1.0) 00:27:30 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #openttd 00:27:40 <planetmaker> defined in Makefile.config 00:28:25 <planetmaker> nice :-) 00:30:38 <roboboy> hm I seems to have broken my DOS install of OpenTTD 00:44:33 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:46:35 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 00:47:22 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:47:22 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 00:47:43 *** Rubidium changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.7.5, 1.0.0-RC2 | Website: *.openttd.org (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: vcs, release info: finger) | UTF-8 please | No Unauthorised Bots | English only 00:49:31 <roboboy> and I have fixed it 00:50:55 <roboboy> is there any way I can record the dbg messages that come up when I load DOS OpenTTD? Can I redirect them to a text file or something as I do not get a chance to read them before they dissapear 00:51:48 <Yexo> openttd.exe 2> errors.txt 00:51:55 <Yexo> maybe replace 2> by > 00:52:12 <roboboy> thanx 00:52:22 <roboboy> ill see what thy say 00:58:57 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75C79.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:59:20 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75C79.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:59:21 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:08:45 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.17.249.21] has quit [Quit: ãããã¿] 01:09:39 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:09:39 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 01:16:13 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 01:22:21 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:25:38 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:26:03 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 01:26:43 *** OwenS [~owenshep@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:27:03 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:31:15 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 01:31:15 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:33:04 *** JVassie^ [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:38:05 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-132-067.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:38:24 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-132-067.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 01:41:53 <zachanima> is there an online changelog specifying the fixes in RC2? 01:42:24 <Yexo> http://www.openttd.org/en/download-testing then click changelog on the right 01:42:29 *** nicfer [~Administr@190.50.36.47] has joined #openttd 01:42:29 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 01:42:40 <zachanima> awesome I love you 01:42:42 <zachanima> thanks 01:43:06 <aber> wow, deployed via load balancing :) 01:45:21 <aber> at least it look like. 01:45:30 <Yexo> it is 01:49:00 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 01:53:03 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 01:58:19 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:58:19 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 02:00:51 *** Wintersoldier [~davidclam@c-24-5-19-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 02:04:05 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 02:06:31 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75C79.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:06:47 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75C79.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:09:01 <zachanima> out of curiosity, what is the difference between orig_dos_de.obg and orig_dos.obg? 02:10:23 <Eddi|zuHause> a handful of changed sprites 02:11:21 <zachanima> hmm - and why is this? 02:11:33 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:12:00 <Eddi|zuHause> because they got sold this way in germany 02:12:27 <Eddi|zuHause> that was 15 years ago 02:13:05 <zachanima> right (gee, is it really that old?) 02:14:22 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75C79.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:14:42 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75C79.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:14:53 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-122.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 02:15:10 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:15:40 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 02:18:47 *** Hackykid [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:23:38 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-79-136-5-149.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [] 02:24:33 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:27:43 <roboboy> openttd.exe > dbg.log and openttd.exe >> dbg.log both produced empty dbg.log files 02:30:56 <roboboy> is there any other way of recording the dbg messages that appear just before the mouse appears in DOS OpenTTD? 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03:13:41 <FauxFaux> NT and above have posix 2>. 03:13:53 <FauxFaux> No idea about actual dos. :) 03:21:46 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: a1270] 03:23:25 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:23:28 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 03:23:55 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-122.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 03:24:31 *** OwenS`Phone [~mirggi@82.132.139.48] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:26:48 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-159-081.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 03:27:07 <roboboy> I shall try openttd.exe -d 03:27:41 <FauxFaux> roboboy: openttd.exe 2>dbg.log should work. 03:30:59 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-132-067.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:31:17 *** Sacro [~Sacro@77.86.62.101] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:31:39 <roboboy> ok 03:38:27 *** Wintersoldier [~davidclam@c-24-5-19-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Wintersoldier] 03:39:34 *** Wintersoldier [~davidclam@c-24-5-19-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 03:41:22 * roboboy waits for DOS openttd to load 03:41:56 <roboboy> well I got it to exit cleanly by specifying the null driver for sound and music 03:42:45 * roboboy ponders putting a guide to DOS OpenTTD on the wiki 03:43:27 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 03:45:15 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 03:45:44 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:46:56 <roboboy> nope openttd.exe 2> dbg.log just saved the equivelant to running openttd -h to dbg.log 03:47:22 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:50:29 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:50:29 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 03:56:00 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 04:02:27 *** Wintersoldier [~davidclam@c-24-5-19-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Wintersoldier] 04:07:39 *** gr00vy [cRave@dslb-188-097-156-038.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:07:44 *** gr00vy [cRave@dslb-188-097-159-108.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 04:09:38 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 04:16:49 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:19:16 *** fjb is now known as Guest108 04:19:17 *** fjb [~frank@p5485ECF3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:21:07 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:2854:113e:291:210b] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:23:31 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:23:59 *** Guest108 [~frank@p5485F9E1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:27:04 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 04:27:04 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:27:07 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 04:40:42 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8dbca.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 04:46:28 <De_Ghosty> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donaudampfschiffahrtselektrizitatenhauptbetriebswerkbauunterbeamtengesellschaft 04:47:40 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-122.york.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158]] 04:47:59 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8cc1c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:48:11 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 04:49:35 *** guru3__ [~guru3@2002:51eb:a47b::1] has joined #openttd 04:52:28 *** guru3_ [~guru3@2002:51eb:a47b::1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:54:04 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:54:04 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 04:55:21 *** fjb [~frank@p5485ECF3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:09:32 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has left #openttd [] 05:09:33 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:09:57 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 05:13:25 *** TheMask96 [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 05:23:43 *** TheMask96 [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:26:42 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 05:31:58 <ccfreak2k> <Yexo> maybe replace 2> by > 05:32:06 <ccfreak2k> Depends on if he wants stdout or stderr. 05:32:16 <ccfreak2k> Or, does DOS only have the one ppe? 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08:31:14 <peter1138> (overlapping tiles/sprites) 08:31:27 <Yexo> yes 08:31:58 <Yexo> for overlapping ground sprites to wrok correctly I think the ground sprites will have to get a bounding box 08:33:23 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 08:35:00 *** JVassie^ [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:38:19 <peter1138> even then, if they still draw the grass like that, it will overlap the rail overlay 08:40:39 <dih> morning 08:41:58 <TrueBrain> owh no, a di 08:41:59 <TrueBrain> h 08:42:03 <planetmaker> Yexo: you'll need to pull your airports repo. Adding --gzip as tar option was a bad thing [TM] to do ;-) 08:42:36 <Yexo> ok 08:42:37 <planetmaker> also: the airports with default ground tiles: looks awesome ingame :-) 08:44:06 *** ctibor [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has joined #openttd 08:44:56 <peter1138> planetmaker, you've put railtype prop 16 in the middle of prop 15 08:45:08 <planetmaker> :S 08:45:21 <planetmaker> attribute it to "too late for a good edit" 08:45:28 <peter1138> :) 08:47:54 <peter1138> oops, it's 8:47 suddenly 08:52:11 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:52:31 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 08:57:22 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-204-124.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:58:03 *** OwenS [~owenshep@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 09:21:04 *** erani [eran-@garde.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:24:14 *** erani [eran-@garde.fi] has joined #openttd 09:46:25 *** Hackykid [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has joined #openttd 09:58:44 *** Kylan [~kylan@c-71-63-176-121.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [] 10:05:59 *** Hackykid [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:32:10 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbabc9a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:34:00 *** heffer [~felix@mue-88-130-118-090.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #openttd 10:37:40 *** OwenS [~owenshep@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:39:31 *** ptr [~peter@dhcp-161-113.dsv.su.se] has joined #openttd 10:40:37 <Yexo> finally done with all ground tiles: http://devs.openttd.org/~yexo/desert-airport.png http://devs.openttd.org/~yexo/snow-airport.png 10:42:41 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #openttd 10:57:54 <Ammler> http://www.heise.de/software/download/openttd/52483 <-- Eddi|zuHause, heise does also use category strategy 11:03:03 <SpComb^> Lizenz: Open Source 11:03:08 <SpComb^> Preis: kostenlos <3 11:07:27 <Rubidium> Ammler: and simutrans is simulation, i.e. they're inconsistent 11:11:41 <Ammler> yeah, it seems like everyone can post there 11:13:40 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbabc9a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:23:18 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 11:26:19 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:29:43 <planetmaker> nice, Yexo :-) 11:30:38 *** Smile4u [~Smile4u@ip-85-197-130-168.home-c.dsl.bikab.com] has joined #openttd 11:31:07 <Forked> woop woop 11:31:12 *** Smile4u [~Smile4u@ip-85-197-130-168.home-c.dsl.bikab.com] has left #openttd [] 11:33:38 *** TheMask96 [martijn@89.104.166.232] has joined #openttd 11:40:28 <PeterT> Yexo: Those airports look great! 11:43:56 *** Hackykid [~quassel@wlan073099.nbw.tue.nl] has joined #openttd 11:46:17 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@CPE-58-173-248-50.szxn1.cha.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:51:33 <Pikka> yexo, I is has question 11:51:45 <Yexo> hello Pikka 11:51:59 <Pikka> hey :) 11:52:15 <Pikka> is it possible/could it be possible to disable the default airports? 11:52:56 <Yexo> currently not, but I'm planning to implement that 11:53:17 <Pikka> okay, thanks :) as long as you're aware of it 11:53:55 <Yexo> I'm also trying to find a way to define extra layouts for the default airports, so they can be rotated 11:54:07 <Yexo> both require modifying the original airports 11:58:25 <Pikka> hmm 11:59:45 <Pikka> recode the original airports as newgrf airports in openttd.grf? :o 12:00:02 *** _newage_ [~victor@15.Red-79-159-152.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 12:00:10 <Yexo> that just leads to a whole lot of other problems 12:00:42 <Pikka> if you want to be able to define extra layouts, it's hard to see what other option would be possible... 12:00:52 *** _newage_ [~victor@15.Red-79-159-152.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:01:13 <Yexo> make prop09 add layouts instead of overwriting the previous prop09 12:01:33 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.17.249.21] has joined #openttd 12:03:12 <Yexo> in combination with a new prop 08 (id of original airport to modify, or FF to create a new airport) that would also solve your disable default airports problem 12:03:24 <Yexo> just set the start year to FFFF 12:03:43 <Pikka> yup... 12:03:48 <Pikka> I see :) 12:05:10 * peter1138 is still annoying that all those extra layouts got added 12:05:16 <peter1138> *annoyed 12:05:21 <Pikka> annoying 12:05:33 <Pikka> which extra layouts? 12:05:34 * peter1138 is still annoying 12:05:40 <peter1138> the airports that richk added 12:05:50 <Pikka> they got added? 12:05:59 <Pikka> which ones? 12:06:00 <peter1138> the ones in current openttd, yes 12:06:02 *** fjb [~frank@84.133.236.243] has joined #openttd 12:06:03 <Pikka> oh 12:06:05 <Pikka> them ones 12:06:08 <Yexo> metropolitan, international, etc. 12:06:13 <Pikka> yeah 12:08:21 <Yexo> without all those extra airports newgrf aiports would be a lot easier 12:10:25 <Rubidium> everything but the heliport, small, city and oil rig airport 12:13:22 <Pikka> so newgrf(air)ports is in trunk? and newrailtypes is going straight into 1.0.0? D: 12:14:01 * fjb misses some free space before and after the runway, so that the planes don't always hit the buildings. :-) 12:14:23 <Yexo> Pikka: no, so far only newgrf airporttiles 12:15:13 <Pikka> I see, Yexo... 12:15:14 <peter1138> why D: ? 12:15:50 * Pikka is looking forward to redoing some sea-based industries as ship-only ports rather than oilrig stations 12:15:50 <peter1138> you're sad that newgrf railtypes is in, or sad that newgrf airports aren't? heh 12:16:13 <Pikka> peter: I'm surprised at both. :P and sad that newgrf airports aren't 12:16:35 <peter1138> newgrf railtypes has been around much longer, hehe 12:16:55 <Pikka> heh... 12:17:04 <Ammler> fjb: you mean like that: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/screens/yexoair2.mpeg (300kb) 12:17:07 *** wallyweb [~chatzilla@CPE00195b4da7c6-CM0012c99eb0fe.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 12:17:25 <Ammler> (dunno, if that has changed in the meantime) 12:17:26 <peter1138> Yexo, squeeze it in to 1.0 :D 12:17:28 <wallyweb> !seen pikka 12:17:58 <planetmaker> wallyweb, @ ;-) 12:18:01 <Pikka> fjb: or like this? http://users.tt-forums.net/pikka/wiki/index.php?title=Image:Muni1_pv.gif :P 12:18:09 <Pikka> avast ye wallyweb 12:18:12 * peter1138 drools 12:18:22 <fjb> Yes, like that. 12:18:33 <wallyweb> hello all 12:18:33 <planetmaker> and road types! 12:18:46 <wallyweb> Piyou do moderating? 12:18:53 <wallyweb> *You 12:19:12 <Pikka> moi? 12:19:18 <wallyweb> That question was for Pikka 12:19:18 <planetmaker> we only do excitation. Moderating is for graphite 12:19:25 <Pikka> I can only moderating the graphics forums 12:19:31 <wallyweb> Pikka: oui 12:20:25 <wallyweb> hmm ... One of your topics, one of mine and one of DanMack's are all on the same subject. 12:21:38 <Pikka> the helper loco thing? 12:21:58 <wallyweb> Yes http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=47437&p=861486#p861486 12:23:01 <Pikka> I don't think any of those conversations are busy enough for it to be a problem... mb's right that it's not a newgrf technical discussion though. 12:23:44 <wallyweb> exactly and if it is to be moved then now would be the time to decide a proper location 12:23:46 <Andel> if there is a problem please report it though 12:23:53 <Andel> and mods will deal with it 12:24:17 <Pikka> I can drop it in ottd suggestions if that's alright with peter1138 and Rubidium et al :P 12:24:29 <wallyweb> hi Andel: Yes and agreed but who is to be the proper mod? 12:24:55 <Andel> any global or area mod 12:25:37 * wallyweb wonders if Andel does any moderating ;-) 12:25:54 <Pikka> the word global is much better when read as "globule" 12:25:55 <Andel> I do more than you know 12:26:08 <wallyweb> :-D 12:26:15 <Pikka> Andel's a power-trippin' son of a mother, he moderates all over the place. ;) 12:26:20 <Andel> Globule refers to that little deposit that Grace left on my chest this morning 12:26:31 <wallyweb> Would you be up for one more assignment/request? 12:26:35 <Andel> yes Pikka... but I'm also a ninja 12:26:42 <Andel> me? No wallyweb. 12:26:44 <Pikka> globule is a nice word to say 12:26:58 <wallyweb> :-( 12:27:17 <Andel> I'm working at the moment 12:27:32 <Andel> I'm actually working on a contract worth about £200,000 a year.... 12:27:47 <wallyweb> peanuts 12:28:02 <Pikka> wallyweb: I moved the thread to ottd suggestations 12:28:12 <wallyweb> cool 12:28:32 <Rubidium> ah, the big "duplicate and to-be-ignored threads"-bin 12:29:20 <Pikka> Rubidium: I always wondered why people post in the "Suggestions commonly asked for" thread 12:29:48 <Pikka> isn't what "commonly asked for" is a euphemism for obvious? 12:32:54 <wallyweb> Pikka: Acknowledged http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=47437&p=861486#p861486 ... Thank you. 12:34:28 <wallyweb> And now I must be off. Thank you all and have a good day. :-D 12:34:46 *** wallyweb [~chatzilla@CPE00195b4da7c6-CM0012c99eb0fe.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158]] 12:34:56 <Pikka> goodnight wallyweb D: 12:45:31 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-122.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 12:48:35 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbabc9a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:50:40 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-mlimmlgw1-ff1ec000-127.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:58:02 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.20.110] has joined #openttd 13:06:25 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-122.york.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:08:02 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:25bb:9a2e:10e4:1421] has joined #openttd 13:08:05 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:12:44 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:15:22 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF86A4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:17:55 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:18:07 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 13:19:29 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:19:42 <Yexo> Pikka: there are some issues with the current airport spec as defined here: http://users.tt-forums.net/pikka/wiki/index.php?title=Newgrf_Airports_Documentation 13:19:51 <Yexo> maybe you can help me with some of them 13:20:23 <Yexo> 1. Airport tiles have a property "hangar #", arent't the depot locations more a property of the airport? 13:21:47 <Yexo> all nodes have an x, y and z location. X and Y are relative to 0,0, but what is the reference point for z? 13:22:14 <Yexo> tile 0,0 is not always part of the airport, and if it's not part of the airport the height can change due to terraforming 13:22:50 <Pikka> ah 13:23:22 <Yexo> possible solution: add a new property to airports: "XY offset from 0,0 to the tile that defines the base height for the airport" 13:24:59 <Pikka> "1. Airport tiles have a property "hangar #", arent't the depot locations more a property of the airport?": depots have no location as such (it would be possible to code an airport such that an aircraft can drive in the depot on one side of the airport and reappear on the other). the "hangar #" property of tiles means "open the hangar window when this tile is clicked on" 13:25:34 <Pikka> your possible solution to 2 sounds good :) 13:25:56 <Yexo> problem is that in openttd code hangars are linked to a tile 13:26:25 <Yexo> multi-tile hangars are done by opening the hangar window for the first tile that is part of the hangar 13:26:34 <Yexo> but ok, current solution should work 13:27:57 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:37:51 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 13:41:19 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:41:19 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:41:22 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 13:53:52 *** slaca [~slaca@catv-89-134-144-98.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 14:00:31 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 14:04:18 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:04:21 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:13:58 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-165-143-191.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:18:00 *** lolman [~Holygoat@cust247-dsl93-89-128.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:28:52 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8dbca.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:30:30 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 14:31:17 <Belugas> hello 14:32:53 <Yexo> hello Belugas 14:36:17 *** Timmaexx [~Germany@port-92-192-205-214.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 14:36:44 <Timmaexx> Hello! 14:37:53 <__ln__> where?! 14:40:34 <dih> i always think of Telemaxx when i see that nix 14:41:44 *** slaca [~slaca@catv-89-134-144-98.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [] 14:44:32 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8cb16.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:47:01 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:47:01 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:47:05 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 14:49:35 <Belugas> hey Yexo :) 14:49:39 <Belugas> mmh... waht a lg... 14:49:41 <Belugas> lag 14:49:55 <Belugas> been worse... but still 14:51:05 *** lllugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8cce1.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:51:19 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D944E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:51:19 *** lllugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8cce1.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [] 14:51:45 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8dbca.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:54:15 <Timmaexx> lol my content downloader says he is on 104% 14:55:57 <__ln__> you seem to be feeding him well 14:56:36 <planetmaker> Timmaexx, you might investigate whether it needs some special circumstance to get that... 14:57:52 <Timmaexx> I'm usin RC2 14:58:15 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8cb16.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:58:28 <planetmaker> the question is: does it happen always? 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15:45:50 <Priski> i mean multiplayer 15:46:37 <aber> Servers in general do not work behind nat, port forwarding is the key. 15:46:49 *** OwenS [~owenshep@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:47:59 *** lolman [~Holygoat@cust247-dsl93-89-128.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 15:48:40 <Yexo> joining a multiplayer game should be no problem 15:49:14 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 15:51:50 <planetmaker> @ports 15:51:50 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound) 15:52:56 <dih> hehe - create some type of skype network handling :-P 15:53:05 <dih> punch wholes in the fw 15:54:07 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:55:05 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:55:05 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 15:56:16 <aber> whats the difference between trunk and RC2? 15:57:22 <OwenS> aber: Trunk is ongoing development. RC2 is just bug fixes against RC1. 15:57:55 <Yexo> aber: all bugfixes in trunk will also be applied to 1.0, but (big) new features won't make it into 1.0 15:58:33 <planetmaker> aber, you can consider it two different repositories 15:59:44 <aber> id like to compile a new mac binary... the question is, what do i do? fixing the RC2 one or just compiling the trunk one. 16:00:02 <Yexo> what is wrong with rc2? 16:01:48 <aber> changeset r19285 - Change [FS#3638]: add the default installation directory of lzo/zlib for Mac OS X/MinGW to the paths where (the headers of) those libraries are searched 16:02:54 <Belugas> that...is a commit log. there is something wrong about that? 16:03:01 <Yexo> looks like that was missed and should've been backported 16:03:05 <Yexo> Rubidium: ^^ 16:07:23 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E801.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:07:38 <Priski> My bad with that, I forgot that I had ghostwall installed and all inbound traffic is disabled by default unless there is exceptions 16:10:52 <planetmaker> aber, in any case that's not a problem which stops you compiling 16:11:05 <planetmaker> worst case is that you use ./configure --without-lzo2 16:11:26 <aber> :p 16:13:43 <planetmaker> honestly, it doesn't hurt usually. 16:14:53 <peter1138> gah, who knows ntpd setup? 16:15:01 <Rubidium> #ntpd? 16:15:04 <Belugas> don't look at me 16:15:05 <peter1138> i want to stop it listening on each and every interface, if possible 16:15:12 <peter1138> empty ;( 16:15:38 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:15:52 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:16:20 <Rubidium> Yexo: that's a tricky and largely untested patch; the last time I commited an OS X related patch it backfired (broke compilation for many) 16:16:42 <Yexo> ah, ok then 16:17:09 <Eddi|zuHause> wait... the patch is not "well tested" by now? :p 16:17:56 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: last time it took a week or so before "they" came complain about the breakage 16:18:36 <Eddi|zuHause> aber: it should be trivial to apply this patch to RC2 16:18:58 <Eddi|zuHause> the difference between 1.0 and trunk is not that big yet 16:19:14 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 4619/24 16:19:14 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 192.458333333 16:19:28 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 4619/24/60 16:19:28 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 3.20763888889 16:20:30 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... so of 4.6 days uptime, 3.2 days were used by one process... 16:20:36 *** ptr is now known as Guest180 16:20:51 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: difference including or excluding language updates? 16:21:10 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:21:21 <Eddi|zuHause> excluding language ;) 16:21:42 <Eddi|zuHause> at least those should not be relevant to osx compilation ;) 16:22:28 <peter1138> okay... how do i make a debian package from something? 16:23:05 <Rubidium> peter1138: dh-make 16:25:48 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 16:31:30 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 16:34:21 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:37:24 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:37:31 <Pikka> gentlemen... is it possible to disable the default rail types? 16:38:05 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:38:28 <planetmaker> you could re-define them, Pikka 16:39:33 <Pikka> except that's not what I want to do ;) 16:39:38 <planetmaker> But I haven't seen a way to really disable it :-) 16:39:47 <planetmaker> Yes, I know that I answered another question than you asked ;-) 16:40:47 * Pikka places the question on the forums 16:41:23 * planetmaker wonders how many different rail types sets we'll see in, say, half a year :-) 16:41:52 * planetmaker also wonders whether we then can still imagine to have ever played without :-P 16:42:09 *** heffer [~felix@mue-88-130-118-090.dsl.tropolys.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 16:42:43 * Pikka wants to make a set with fewer railtypes, not more :P 16:43:00 <planetmaker> err... why? 16:43:33 <planetmaker> quite honestly: what's the point to *disable* types, if you don't re-define them? 16:43:53 <Pikka> because I'm making a train set with fewer railtypes 16:44:11 <planetmaker> yes. But... how does then, say, maglev hurt. It won't become active then anyway 16:44:14 <planetmaker> Same as now 16:44:20 <Yexo> planetmaker: I can image wanting to disable maglev if none of the trains use it 16:44:34 <Yexo> not that it makes a difference as it won't become available anyway 16:44:39 <planetmaker> Track types become available upon first use by a vehicle 16:44:40 <Pikka> well, one of the rail types I'm not using is "railway"/"railroad", so... 16:45:09 <planetmaker> Pikka, yes... no vehicle = no availability. Just make it also incompatible 16:45:10 <Yexo> I really wonder kind of set you're creating then 16:45:40 <planetmaker> And consider that there might be (concurrently) another train set which uses it. 16:45:50 <Pikka> hmm 16:46:04 <Pikka> I thought there was a setting which made rail always available, but maybe I dreamt it 16:46:19 <Pikka> Yexo: well may you wonder :) 16:46:37 <planetmaker> hm, dunno. Not if you make vehicles not use it. By default any rail vehicle, though, works on normal rail. 16:48:01 <Pikka> oh well, if there's no make rail available setting, I guess I can live with having it there but greyed out :) 16:48:17 <planetmaker> :-) 16:48:32 <planetmaker> that keeps compatibility :-) 16:49:20 <planetmaker> Though I wonder whether it couldn't be changed within OpenTTD such that track types which are not (yet) available are not offered at all 16:49:31 <Pikka> planetmaker: compatibility won't really be an issue, it's a set that's not designed to work with any other existant set... a toyland replacement. :) 16:49:58 <planetmaker> Pikka, don't count on that remaining the only one forever :-) 16:50:09 <planetmaker> But I'm very happy to hear "for toyland" :-) 16:50:27 <Pikka> it's not "for toyland", it's a toyland /replacement/... :P 16:50:38 <planetmaker> whatever ;-) 16:50:48 <Pikka> all vehicle types, landscape, industries, town buildings, the whole thing. 16:50:55 <planetmaker> :-O 16:51:00 <planetmaker> Big project, eh? 16:51:07 <Pikka> yes 16:51:12 <Pikka> although it's not going to have many vehicles 16:51:19 <Pikka> hence the not needing all the track types! :) 16:51:28 <planetmaker> :-) 16:52:07 <Pikka> oh: and stations, airports... :P 16:53:35 <planetmaker> :-P 16:53:55 <planetmaker> May I ask in what kind of direction that replacement aims? 16:54:12 <planetmaker> (Ok, I may ask, but is there a chance for an answer? :p) 16:54:22 <Pikka> hehehe 16:54:59 * OwenS thinks he needs to turn up the size of OSS' buffers 16:55:20 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 16:58:34 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:58:34 <OwenS> WTF is causing 48% of time to be spent in the kernel?! 16:58:51 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:02:03 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 17:03:17 *** Pikka is now known as Pikka|afk 17:05:01 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:06:14 *** Guest180 [~peter@dhcp-161-113.dsv.su.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 17:08:14 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 17:09:25 *** tuinn [~t@ip9135153a.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 17:13:31 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:13:31 *** woldemar [~osaka@213.178.34.57] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:13:36 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: usually I/O stuff 17:15:23 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: Thats some impressive IO on behalf of a package manager which was just supposed to be downloading SunStudio. On Solaris, which is I/O optimized.. 17:15:41 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 17:15:48 *** woldemar [~osaka@213.178.34.57] has joined #openttd 17:15:48 <Eddi|zuHause> and "downloading" is not I/O? 17:16:08 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: Downloading from a 20Mbit/s connection should not cause 50% CPU usage I/O. Even rtorrent doesn't do that! 17:17:17 <Rubidium> 20Mbit/s isn't the problem, the 'random' behaviour of torrents is 17:17:33 <OwenS> Rubidium: This was a straight linear Package download over HTTP 17:17:57 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not entirely sure, but with DMA turned off, I/O tops out at about 1.5MB/s here 17:18:09 <OwenS> DMA is most certainly on 17:19:34 <Eddi|zuHause> what i mean: if it's badly programmed, then the behaviour can be explained 17:20:12 <OwenS> And additionally, it was making audio stutter. Audio comes of a separate RAID array... 17:20:37 <Rubidium> sounds like bad IO scheduling 17:21:46 <OwenS> I'm actually suspicious that the package manager spun off a background task to check for updates and that was thrashing the package database... 17:23:16 <Eddi|zuHause> don't you have locks for that? 17:23:55 <OwenS> Huh? 17:24:14 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 17:27:36 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF86A4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 2.0.0.20/2008121709]] 17:30:00 <aber> whoops, http://wolkentempel.de/daten/Screen%20shot%202010-03-04%20at%2018.28.39.png 17:30:05 <Eddi|zuHause> a "lock" means: "if program A uses the package database, program B cannot access it" 17:31:24 <Eddi|zuHause> aber: that looks totally plausible if you messed up loading savegames :p 17:34:53 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: It probably used a lock, but that doesn't prevent the PM from thrashing the HD with lots of seeks 17:41:31 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:41:31 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:41:34 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 17:46:11 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF86A4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:51:09 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... if one would make a railtype that is compatible with conventional, monorail and maglev, would the autoreplace window then allow replacing between these types? 17:52:35 <Yexo> only if those rypes are also directly compatible 17:52:55 <Yexo> but you could create a newgrf that makes normal rail compatible with monorail and maglev 17:53:22 <Eddi|zuHause> so it does not check if there is a common successor, only direct successor 17:53:35 <Yexo> not 100% sure, but I suspect so 17:59:35 *** Luukland [~Luukland@ip195-211-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 18:00:11 <Luukland> Hi ha ho, could someone tell me when I set a basecosts of an engine in a .NFO, which setting will show me this value then? Running costs low, medium or high? 18:01:26 <Eddi|zuHause> Luukland: the difficulty setting is an additional multiplicator, is independent from the .nfo 18:01:50 <Luukland> then which setting multiplies it with 1x? 18:02:13 <Eddi|zuHause> is that relevant? 18:02:47 <Luukland> yes sir 18:04:05 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:10:52 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host40-239-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:11:06 <Wolf01> hello 18:14:06 <Yexo> Luukland: medium = 1, low = 75%, high = 112.5% 18:15:32 *** Pikka|afk is now known as Pikka 18:15:45 <Luukland> Allright, thanks! 18:15:57 * Pikka bedtime, g'night all 18:16:02 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@CPE-58-173-248-50.szxn1.cha.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 18:17:40 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:30:03 *** patchbot [patchbot@patchbot.ttdpatch.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:33:59 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 18:36:07 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.20.110] has quit [] 18:44:51 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fef6e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:45:54 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r19314 /trunk/src/lang/ (8 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 18:45:54 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:54 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: simplified_chinese - 7 changes by Gavin 18:45:54 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frisian - 43 changes by Fopper 18:45:54 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: greek - 13 changes by fumantsu 18:45:56 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: hungarian - 1 changes by Petert 18:45:56 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: korean - 45 changes by dlunch 18:48:46 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 18:51:29 *** tuinn [~t@ip9135153a.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:53:16 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:55:31 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 19:00:46 *** Hackykid [~quassel@wlan073248.nbw.tue.nl] has joined #openttd 19:01:55 *** Hackykid_ [~quassel@dyn-099194.nbw.tue.nl] has joined #openttd 19:08:54 *** Hackykid [~quassel@wlan073248.nbw.tue.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:16:03 *** Hackykid [~quassel@dyn-099194.nbw.tue.nl] has joined #openttd 19:16:03 *** Hackykid_ [~quassel@dyn-099194.nbw.tue.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:22:32 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbabc9a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:24:21 *** Hackykid_ [~quassel@dyn-099194.nbw.tue.nl] has joined #openttd 19:24:22 *** Hackykid [~quassel@dyn-099194.nbw.tue.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:28:20 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:29:08 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:32:27 <aber> it almost looks like this patch is breaking the liblzo2/savegame support? http://wolkentempel.de/daten/disable%20random%20closing%20and%20opening%20of%20industries.txt 19:32:51 <aber> I compiled trunk an the save-game loading is fine. 19:34:25 <Alberth> aber: you cannot disable industry closure in that way, in general 19:34:34 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:34:34 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 19:35:28 <aber> Alberth: because grf's have their own way to handle this? 19:35:58 <Alberth> aber: yep, the game code only does what the industry wishes. 19:38:31 <Alberth> eg you will end up with primary industries providing virtually nothing 19:38:43 <Ammler> some people ask that openttd should be able to be extendable without patches, but then patch features which are already... :-) 19:39:34 <aber> hmm? What can i do to trash this patch? 19:39:38 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:39:58 <Alberth> Ammler: perhaps rename 'advanced settings' back to 'patches'? :p 19:40:46 <Ammler> aber: a newgrf should do the job 19:40:51 <Alberth> aber: rm mypatch; svn revert -R . 19:40:57 <Ammler> :-) 19:42:14 <Ammler> aber: if you need a example how to change behaviour of inustries, you might take a look on my lumbermill.grf 19:42:15 <Yexo> aber: that patch indeed breaks savegame comptibility 19:42:40 <Alberth> aber: you know the answer of question 5 of the general gameplay faq? http://wiki.openttd.org/FAQ_gameplay 19:42:41 <Yexo> the added lines in table/settings.h tell that allow_random_industry and allow_industry_closure are valid in savegame versions 99 to SL_MAX_VERSION 19:42:54 <Yexo> but currently trunk is at 138 already and those are certainly not valid in trunk 19:43:39 <Ammler> oh, indeed the famous froschyGRF :-) 19:43:51 <planetmaker> :-) quak! 19:43:57 <Alberth> hello PM 19:44:05 <planetmaker> hello Alberth :-) 19:44:18 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 19:44:24 *** Yexo is now known as Guest204 19:44:25 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 19:44:56 <Alberth> Ammler: yes, too bad not enough people read FAQs 19:45:21 <planetmaker> if it weren't nearly obscene, it should be renamed to FIQ 19:45:29 <planetmaker> frequently ignored questions 19:45:38 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 19:46:04 <Ammler> Alberth: I can't remember that GRF, always think, it is just a bad joke 19:46:04 <aber> It's not what i was looking for... 19:46:06 <planetmaker> well, in English might sound ok ;-). In German not :-P 19:46:31 <Illegal_Alien> Evening 19:46:58 <Alberth> evening 19:47:05 <planetmaker> hello legal alien 19:47:08 <planetmaker> ;-) 19:47:12 <Illegal_Alien> Woohoo social contact 19:47:29 <Ammler> does the grf also add possibility that power stations close? 19:47:48 <frosch123> Ammler: it is approaching 1000 downloads without being on bananas :) 19:48:21 <Alberth> frosch123: maybe you should put it on bananas, it will enter at #1 :) 19:48:37 <planetmaker> frosch123, maybe add it to the fruit basket. Just call it differently :-P 19:48:48 <planetmaker> haha :-) 19:48:59 <Ammler> I should add my nothing.grf 19:49:13 <planetmaker> oh yes. And I my newgrf_makefile newgrf 19:49:19 <planetmaker> An action8 and that's it :-P 19:49:23 <Alberth> Ammler: it will get downloaded, just my staircase heightmap 19:49:28 <Alberth> +like 19:49:33 <planetmaker> :-) 19:50:14 <frosch123> [20:51] <planetmaker> frosch123, maybe add it to the fruit basket. Just call it differently :-P <- "better industries" ? 19:50:41 <Illegal_Alien> Industrial Revolution sound way better :P 19:50:45 <Alberth> 'fixed industries' 19:50:54 <Alberth> nicely ambigious 19:51:20 *** Guest204 [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:51:45 <Ammler> hehe, then you could make a tt-forums homepage and collect all "better" grf 19:51:59 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 19:53:56 <frosch123> why do i suddenly have 3 grfs with an empty name in my list 19:54:21 <Alberth> you use " " as filename? 19:54:47 <frosch123> one of them is pb_viaduct 19:54:54 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:55:15 <Ammler> that never had one 19:55:39 <frosch123> oh, you mean it used the filename before and now keeps blank 19:55:43 <frosch123> might be :) 19:56:19 <Yexo> uh oh, looks like a bug from me 19:56:42 <Ammler> or the grf 19:57:53 <Yexo> where can I find that pb_viaduct grf? 19:58:19 <frosch123> likely in pikkawiki 19:58:56 <Yexo> ok, I got a copy now 19:59:47 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 19:59:53 <Ammler> Is it still possible to make a grf without name? 20:00:17 <Ammler> wouldn't nforenum/grfocdec complain about? 20:00:29 <Yexo> grfcodec doesn't check these things 20:00:39 <Yexo> nforenum does complain, but you can create a grf without nforenum 20:03:51 <OwenS> OK why have we hung GEdit? /me longs for Kate 20:05:34 <OwenS> Oh so helpful. A D-Bus error while trying ti 20:05:38 <OwenS> save a file over SFTP... 20:07:52 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r19315 /trunk/src/newgrf_config.cpp: -Fix (r19295): Show the filename in the newgrf windows if the newgrf name is not empty 20:08:17 <Yexo> as an added bonus the grf is now correctly sorted (that is, the filename is compared with the other names) so the grf without filename doesn't always end up at the top of the list 20:08:23 <Yexo> *without name 20:08:55 <Illegal_Alien> Wtf is this for program on tv? :| 20:09:07 <Illegal_Alien> "Ella Enchanted" 20:09:21 <Illegal_Alien> Let me feels like i smoke some bad stuff... 20:09:31 <PeterT> A story about a women who actually does what she's told! 20:09:41 <PeterT> (Of course, it's a fairytale) 20:10:02 <Illegal_Alien> Yeah Elfs,... and talking books 20:10:29 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:10:58 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:11:14 <Illegal_Alien> And why we always have bad stephmothers? :P 20:11:37 <Markk> Stef? 20:11:37 <Markk> :) 20:11:42 <Markk> Not stepmothers? 20:12:24 *** Hackykid_ [~quassel@dyn-099194.nbw.tue.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:14:10 <Illegal_Alien> whatever :P 20:14:17 <Illegal_Alien> English not my language so :P 20:15:07 <Belugas> we all kow it's klingon 20:15:10 <Belugas> know 20:15:18 <Markk> :) 20:16:05 *** Kylan [~kylan@c-71-63-176-121.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:21:25 <PeterT> <Illegal_Alien> Yeah Elfs,... and talking books <-- I was talking about the women who do what they're told! :-P 20:22:20 <Illegal_Alien> Hmm, "take of cloths" why wont they say that? :( 20:22:27 <Illegal_Alien> or dont 20:22:31 <Illegal_Alien> or whatever grr 20:24:37 <Illegal_Alien> I am bored so random talking random thing with random subjects 20:26:00 *** Luukland [~Luukland@ip195-211-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:28:53 <planetmaker> <frosch123> one of them is pb_viaduct <-- I had that yesterday, too 20:29:04 <planetmaker> (the empty names) 20:29:17 *** Markk [~markk@91.90.24.184] has quit [Quit: Changing server] 20:29:20 <frosch123> and you dit not report! 20:29:28 <frosch123> :) 20:29:31 <planetmaker> ;-) 20:29:51 <planetmaker> I didn't investigate and was not sure :-) 20:30:05 <planetmaker> not even if it hadn't been that way before. 20:30:38 <planetmaker> and I was... debugging my makefiles. I wondered about 'invalid tar files' - which was a result of gzip'ed tar files 20:31:02 <planetmaker> Do I need to find more... excuses? ;-) I'm sure I can dig out more :-P 20:31:07 <Rubidium> hmm, so aber's 1.0.0-RC2 build is not an unmodified build? Then for my sake, and the sake of the rest of the development team, don't call it 1.0.0-RC2! 20:31:27 <planetmaker> hu, Rubidium ? 20:31:44 <Rubidium> planetmaker: 59 minutes ago 20:32:24 <Rubidium> I really really hope that that's not the way the mac port is going 20:32:53 <aber> Rubidium: noooo 20:33:51 <planetmaker> oh... I missed the nickname... looks too much like a well-known German word ;-) 20:34:54 <planetmaker> and yes... proper versioning makes so many things so much easier... 20:35:08 <Rubidium> planetmaker: yeah, those strange Germans 20:35:26 <planetmaker> Only surpassed by the Dutch strangeness :-P 20:35:31 <Rubidium> I reckon you would "pronounce" OpenTTD's version as first zeroth zeroth RC one 20:36:10 <planetmaker> Eins punkt Null punkt Eins RC Eins 20:36:12 <Illegal_Alien> Hey whats wrong with me as dutch guy? :P 20:36:36 <Rubidium> Illegal_Alien: Dutch people are stupid morons 20:36:44 <Illegal_Alien> Nah 20:36:53 <planetmaker> haha. 20:36:58 <Illegal_Alien> Only if they wear white stuff on their head 20:37:03 * planetmaker ponders whether Illegal_Alien knows where Rubi is from 20:37:20 <frosch123> all dutch people have two letter abbreviations of their nick names 20:37:34 <Illegal_Alien> I want my bike back 20:37:45 <planetmaker> look in the local Gracht ;-) 20:37:49 <Rubidium> planetmaker: first column of the periodic table 20:37:51 <aber> Rubidium: It's not that I supply people with broken and patched things. It's only changed the config.lib, as mentioned. 20:38:05 <planetmaker> hehe @ Rubidium :-) 20:38:09 <Illegal_Alien> Dont have a gracht here, not living in Amsterdam (luckely) 20:38:25 <Rubidium> Illegal_Alien: maybe next to the church then? 20:38:29 <planetmaker> Illegal_Alien, I can swear to have seen them in many other Dutch towns, too ;-) 20:38:44 <Illegal_Alien> Yeah but not in mine :P 20:39:14 <Illegal_Alien> The germans have destroyed most of the city few decades back 20:39:24 <Hirundo> Don't mention the war! 20:39:47 <Illegal_Alien> I didnt say war 20:40:48 <planetmaker> tsk ;-) 20:41:07 <Hirundo> You can generally get away with mentioning it once, though ;) 20:41:15 <planetmaker> :-) 20:41:26 <Rubidium> if it wasn't the war... then he must live in Zeeland or so 20:41:49 *** JVassie^ [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:42:12 <Illegal_Alien> Nope 20:42:28 <Illegal_Alien> it was the war, just want to say thats why we dont have those things :P 20:42:34 <Illegal_Alien> (Rotterdam) 20:43:16 * planetmaker wonders why that might be a good excuse to fill them _after_ the war. 20:43:33 <Illegal_Alien> They have been filled by the rubble of the buildings 20:44:04 <Rubidium> actually, I don't think that's true 20:44:15 <planetmaker> Hardly a good excuse to say they were gone because of that ;-) It's water... 20:44:31 <Illegal_Alien> Well, we dont have them :P 20:44:33 <planetmaker> Not like you have little of it ;-) 20:44:36 <Rubidium> the three 'grachten' listed on http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lijst_van_Nederlandse_grachten#Rotterdam were filled way before the war 20:45:51 <Alberth> who needs Grachten when you have one of the biggest harbours? 20:46:22 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:46:23 <Eddi|zuHause> to connect the harbour with the inner country? 20:47:28 <Alberth> no, for finding your bike of course 20:48:01 <Illegal_Alien> Dont need those for that, the river Maas is going through the city. 20:49:57 <Hirundo> The dutch invented triathlon this way: going to a gracht on foot and returning by bike ;) 20:51:15 <planetmaker> loool :-) 20:51:21 <planetmaker> Sounds even credible :-P 20:51:30 <Rubidium> Illegal_Alien: and the irony is that normally the "Oude Maas" and "Nieuwe Maas", which you meant with "Maas", is not fed by the actual "Maas" but by the "Rhine" 20:52:48 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:53:23 <Ammler> rhine? good swiss water :-) 20:54:19 <Rubidium> Ammler: I doubt that you want to call it "good swiss water" there where it leaves Germany 20:54:21 <planetmaker> :-) 20:54:40 <planetmaker> Might have been fed through a few nuclear power plants on the way :-P 20:54:53 <Ammler> hehe 20:54:55 <planetmaker> or through BASF or Hoechst industrial facilities ;-) 20:55:14 <Ammler> but it should be "clean" leaving CH, I hope ;-) 20:55:30 <planetmaker> sure ;-) Seweso... 20:55:41 <Ammler> :-) 20:55:43 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E801.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:56:05 <planetmaker> hm... wrong plant. But there was one ;-) 20:57:26 <Ammler> google for "Rhein Gift" hits list links 20:57:28 <planetmaker> basel, sandoz 20:57:40 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: that is because that's before it goes through major industrial cities :p 20:58:09 <Ammler> oh, Basel is almost German 20:58:23 <Eddi|zuHause> haha :p 20:58:55 <Eddi|zuHause> the only "interesting" part of the rhine on swiss territory is the "rhine fall" 20:59:00 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:59:00 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 20:59:04 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177237238.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 21:00:20 <frosch123> [22:00] <Ammler> oh, Basel is almost German <- gaddafi? 21:01:41 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: well, Basel Bad. Bhf is technically german territory on swiss soil 21:02:40 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@175.162.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 21:03:03 <Eddi|zuHause> apparently these Badensians didn't manage to build their railway on their own territory :p 21:03:24 <planetmaker> why use your own, if you can use another person's? ;-) 21:04:23 <Eddi|zuHause> they had some problems because of that during the war... 21:04:48 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-204-124.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Something strange must have happened...] 21:08:34 <Ammler> and the airport is on French territory? 21:09:23 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fef6e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:11:30 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177237238.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:12:55 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177237238.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 21:13:33 *** TheMask96 [martijn@89.104.166.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:14:14 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:15:35 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177237238.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 21:15:41 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177237238.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 21:20:08 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 21:22:46 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-250-114.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:32:26 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 21:33:48 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-122.york.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:35:50 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r19316 /trunk/src/terraform_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r19186): Give correct error when failing to flatten land. 21:36:46 *** _newage_ [~victor@15.Red-79-159-152.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 21:43:40 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:45:22 *** Fuzz [~Fuzz@87.112.96.124.plusnet.ptn-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 21:45:29 <Fuzz> hey 21:45:59 <Fuzz> I don't suppose someone can help me with something? 21:46:09 <Eddi|zuHause> no 21:46:16 <Alberth> 'something' may be a bit difficult 21:46:28 <Fuzz> i dunno 21:46:29 <Eddi|zuHause> getting ahold of "someone" might be, too 21:46:36 <Fuzz> true 21:46:43 <Eddi|zuHause> he's a very busy person 21:46:47 <Alberth> yeah, he never seems to be here when you need him :) 21:46:50 <Rubidium> Alberth: but "someone" can do "everything", or at least gets assigned to do "everything" 21:46:51 <Fuzz> i called ahead but he wasn't in 21:47:26 <Alberth> Rubidium: we don't have him in our 'assign' list in FS yet :( 21:47:37 <Fuzz> hehe 21:47:41 <PeterT> Do you realize you spent two minutes discussing how he asked something? 21:47:47 <Alberth> yes 21:47:53 <PeterT> Fuzz: What's your question? 21:47:56 <PeterT> Oh, right, #openttd... 21:48:14 <Fuzz> do you know how to get the original music working in the beta? 21:48:17 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: it's not like we had something else to base a discussion on. 21:48:18 <Fuzz> or even if it's possible? 21:48:26 <PeterT> Yes 21:48:30 <Fuzz> i have the files 21:48:33 <PeterT> just put the original_windows music in /gm 21:48:35 <Eddi|zuHause> Fuzz: original music from windows, yes, from dos, no 21:48:36 <PeterT> Fuzz: What OS? 21:48:40 *** TheMask96 [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 21:48:54 <Fuzz> i'm running ubuntu 9.10 21:49:02 <Rubidium> install timidity? 21:49:25 <Fuzz> oringal_windows is a folder? 21:49:38 <Fuzz> or the .obm? 21:50:38 <PeterT> /gm is the folder 21:51:18 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: /gm is most definitely not the right folder 21:52:25 *** Fuzz [~Fuzz@87.112.96.124.plusnet.ptn-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:52:31 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:54:27 *** Fuzz [~Fuzz@87.112.96.124.plusnet.ptn-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 21:54:27 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:54:35 <Fuzz> well that was certainly odd 21:54:38 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:55:12 <PeterT> Eddi|zuHause: That's where my game music is, and it works. 21:55:15 <Eddi|zuHause> Fuzz: "no route to host" means that someone yanked the ethernet cable ;) 21:55:26 <Fuzz> lol 21:55:31 <Fuzz> well, my system hung 21:55:41 <Fuzz> i just rebooted 21:55:46 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: no, you mean $personal_dir/gm 21:55:47 <Fuzz> It was when i closed openttd 21:56:10 <PeterT> Eddi|zuHause: Right, well, that was implied 21:56:19 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: no, that is not. 21:56:28 <PeterT> if you've read the wiki, /gm, /data, all in personal dir 21:56:39 <Fuzz> in the home folder? 21:56:43 <Eddi|zuHause> /gm is a subdirectory of the root directory 21:56:52 <Eddi|zuHause> Fuzz: no, in ~/.openttd/gm 21:57:02 <Fuzz> yeah 21:57:04 <Fuzz> it is 21:57:19 <Fuzz> oh wait 21:57:33 <Fuzz> it's in /home/fuzzwig/Games/openttd/gm 21:57:47 <Fuzz> the game itself works 21:57:49 <Fuzz> just the music 21:58:25 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 21:58:34 <Eddi|zuHause> Fuzz: and that is also where the openttd binary is? 21:58:39 <Fuzz> yes 21:59:07 <Rubidium> Fuzz: in the "game options" menu, can you select "original windows"? 21:59:17 <Fuzz> no it's not there 21:59:25 <Fuzz> it just says No Music 21:59:26 <Eddi|zuHause> then it doesn't find the files 21:59:27 <Fuzz> or whatever 21:59:49 <Fuzz> well the file is called orig_win.obm 21:59:56 <Fuzz> should i rename it or something? 22:00:10 <Eddi|zuHause> no, that should be fine 22:00:16 <Fuzz> i thought so 22:00:18 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-mlimmlgw1-ff1ec000-127.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 22:00:56 <Fuzz> it's very odd, it just doesn't see the option for it 22:01:12 <Rubidium> if it doesn't list it, then it can't find it 22:01:39 <Fuzz> well, it's in the right folder :/ 22:02:35 <Eddi|zuHause> Fuzz: you sure you have the windows music? 22:02:42 <Fuzz> well 22:02:44 <KenjiE20> if config in that dir too? 22:02:48 <KenjiE20> s/if/is/. 22:03:31 <Fuzz> i don't have the windows music straight off the disc 22:03:52 <Fuzz> but they've got the correct file names 22:04:00 <Fuzz> GM_TT00.GM etc 22:04:08 <Eddi|zuHause> filename does not suffice, it must be the correct file 22:04:22 <Fuzz> hmm 22:04:31 <Fuzz> it might not be exactly the same file 22:04:36 <Fuzz> but the music itself is identical 22:04:38 <planetmaker> md5sums have to match 22:04:39 <Eddi|zuHause> gm_tt00.gm must be 29714 byte and have the correct md5 sum 22:04:52 <Eddi|zuHause> the md5sum is given in the .obm file 22:05:11 <Eddi|zuHause> you have to change those, if you want modified files 22:05:23 <Fuzz> it is exactly 29714 bytes 22:05:35 <planetmaker> md5sum correct? 22:05:42 <Fuzz> how do i check that? 22:05:47 <planetmaker> md5sum <filename> 22:05:53 <Eddi|zuHause> "md5sum <file>" 22:06:03 <Rubidium> what version of OpenTTD are you using? 22:06:11 <Fuzz> the 10.4 beta 22:06:20 <planetmaker> eh? 22:06:23 <Fuzz> well 22:06:23 <KenjiE20> um. 22:06:26 <Fuzz> the latest one 22:06:28 <Fuzz> whatever 22:06:36 <Rubidium> which of the 4 "latest" ones? 22:06:36 <planetmaker> yes. whatever is it? 22:06:46 <KenjiE20> what rub said 22:06:49 <Fuzz> ok hold on i'll look 22:06:51 <Eddi|zuHause> none of the "latest" ones are "beta" 22:07:46 <Fuzz> version 1.0.0 beta 4 i do believe 22:07:55 <Fuzz> it was the only one i could get to work 22:08:02 <__ln__> http://knuutti.1g.fi/kuvat/temp/696201924.jpg/full 22:08:28 <Eddi|zuHause> Fuzz: update to 1.0.0-RC2 if possible 22:08:42 <KenjiE20> that's a lotta snow 22:08:42 <Fuzz> ok 22:09:01 <Eddi|zuHause> Fuzz: anyway, did you check the md5sum? 22:09:08 <Fuzz> not yet 22:09:13 <Fuzz> i was side-tracked 22:09:15 <Fuzz> i'll check now 22:09:25 <Eddi|zuHause> must be 45cfec1b9d8c7a0ad45e755833cbf221 for gm_tt00.gm 22:10:49 <Fuzz> 45cfec1b9d8c7a0ad45e755833cbf221 GM_TT00.GM 22:10:55 <Fuzz> yup 22:10:59 <Eddi|zuHause> that's correct then 22:11:06 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c498.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 22:11:46 <Eddi|zuHause> i've run out of things to check then... 22:12:05 <Fuzz> strange 22:12:17 <KenjiE20> is the config at /home/fuzzwig/Games/openttd/openttd.cfg ? 22:13:02 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E801.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:13:34 <Fuzz> you know, i don't think i have an openttd.cfg 22:13:37 <Fuzz> wtf 22:13:40 <planetmaker> you do 22:13:46 <KenjiE20> it'll be in ./.openttd/ then 22:13:53 <KenjiE20> ~/.openttd/ even 22:14:02 <KenjiE20> which might be why it's not working 22:14:11 <planetmaker> it should still work then 22:14:16 <KenjiE20> since I'm 90% sure everything is relative to the active cfg 22:14:25 <planetmaker> hm... might be 22:14:30 <Eddi|zuHause> KenjiE20: no, that should not be 22:14:45 <Eddi|zuHause> KenjiE20: only the config location is checked first 22:14:55 <Eddi|zuHause> then it should traverse the other locations 22:15:00 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: but the music set used is stored in the cfg... 22:15:08 <KenjiE20> hm, it does seem to differ between elements though 22:15:12 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: irrelevant 22:15:19 <Fuzz> you're right it's in ./.openttd 22:15:30 <planetmaker> what would then happen, if I used the same for another instance of OpenTTD, Eddi|zuHause ? 22:15:42 <planetmaker> Fuzz: then copy your music files to ~/.openttd/gm 22:15:57 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: again, it's irrelevant for _finding_ the music files 22:15:58 <planetmaker> create that dir, if it doesn't exist 22:16:09 <Eddi|zuHause> also copying them should not be necessary! 22:16:23 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a workaround at best, it does not solve the actual problem! 22:16:48 <planetmaker> so you know the problem? ;-) 22:17:15 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: the problem is the files are there, and openttd does not finde them. 22:18:00 <Fuzz> right so 22:18:01 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: they should be in .../openttd/bin/gm 22:18:05 <planetmaker> if local 22:18:15 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: no that is not a requirement!! 22:18:26 <planetmaker> uhm... being in one of the right dirs is. 22:18:50 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: he said it's the location of the binary 22:18:57 <Eddi|zuHause> which is one of the "right" dirs 22:19:29 <planetmaker> binarydir/gm is. Not binarydir itself 22:20:31 <Fuzz> right 22:20:40 <Fuzz> so have we got anywhere? xD 22:20:57 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i can't read people's minds, so if they don't tell stuff, that is their problem. but that is no reason to force them to move stuff to other places that should not be necessary 22:21:04 <planetmaker> Did you by chance read readme section 4.2, Fuzz ? 22:21:35 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: asking them to move it to their personal global dir hardly is wrong usually 22:22:00 <Fuzz> section 4.2 22:22:03 <Fuzz> i'll take a look 22:22:14 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: but that still is a workaround, it does not isolate the original problem. 22:22:17 <planetmaker> it's a do-not-readme. 22:22:35 <dih> yeah - never even think about touching that file 22:22:37 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: yes. Possibly true. But then it needs reproduction anyway. 22:23:50 <planetmaker> Otherwise it's a "works for me" 22:24:09 <planetmaker> then it really gets interesting 22:24:28 <Fuzz> ok 22:24:43 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:24:43 <Fuzz> so. 22:24:50 <Fuzz> any reccommendations? 22:25:03 <planetmaker> no 22:25:24 <Fuzz> ok 22:25:30 <Fuzz> fair enough 22:25:35 <planetmaker> Any of those mentioned dirs is fine 22:25:49 *** Progman_ [~progman@p57A1D88A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:26:28 <Fuzz> it mentions this 5. The installation directory (Linux only) Linux: /usr/share/games/openttd 22:26:39 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E801.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:26:40 <Fuzz> while mine is /home/fuzzwig/Games/openttd 22:26:48 *** Progman_ is now known as Progman 22:26:58 <planetmaker> that's fine. 22:27:12 <Fuzz> ok 22:27:18 <planetmaker> where is your actual binary? Exactly in ~/Games/openttd ? 22:27:32 <planetmaker> and the *gm files are in ~/Games/openttd/gm ? 22:27:49 <Eddi|zuHause> Fuzz: if you run "openttd -d misc=4", what are the first 5 lines? 22:28:02 <Fuzz> ok hold on i'll find out 22:28:21 * KenjiE20 holds onto Eddi 22:28:50 <Fuzz> dbg: [misc] /home/fuzzwig/Games/openttd/ added as search path dbg: [misc] /home/fuzzwig/.openttd/ added as search path dbg: [misc] /home/fuzzwig/Games/openttd/ added as search path dbg: [misc] /usr/local/share/games/openttd/ added as search path dbg: [misc] /home/fuzzwig/.openttd/ found as personal directory 22:29:05 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF86A4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:29:26 <Eddi|zuHause> that looks correct 22:29:43 <Rubidium> does it work if you rename ~/Games to ~/games ? 22:30:16 <Fuzz> i'll have to change my bash but ok 22:30:48 <Eddi|zuHause> my next suspicion would be that it doesn't like uppercase filenames... (they're called tt_gm00.gm here) 22:31:40 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: uppercase filenames are fine 22:32:12 <Fuzz> changing to games didn't help 22:33:29 <Fuzz> yeah in the .obm file they have upper case letters anyway 22:33:40 <Rubidium> then I've got no clue anymore, besides missing files/incorrect checksums 22:33:46 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: debug output doesn't really tell which files it is touching... 22:33:48 <Wolf01> 'night 22:33:51 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host40-239-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:34:19 <Eddi|zuHause> dbg: [grf] Checking /home/johannes/spiele/OpenTTD/trunk/bin/gm/orig_win.obm for base music set 22:34:20 <Eddi|zuHause> dbg: [grf] Adding original_windows (1) as base music set 22:34:24 <Eddi|zuHause> that's the only thing it says 22:35:38 <Fuzz> hmm 22:37:26 <Eddi|zuHause> Fuzz: can you check the md5sum of all .gm files, and compare the values with the ones in orig_win.obm? 22:37:46 <Fuzz> is there a way to check them all at once? 22:37:50 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 22:37:54 <Eddi|zuHause> just give a * 22:38:21 <Eddi|zuHause> like "md5sum *.gm" 22:38:39 <Fuzz> ok 22:40:00 <Fuzz> ah 22:40:04 <Fuzz> now then 22:40:12 <Fuzz> some of them appear to be in the wrong order 22:40:21 <Eddi|zuHause> that doesn't matter 22:40:38 <Eddi|zuHause> except you mean, they were renamed 22:40:45 <Rubidium> exactly :) 22:40:48 <Fuzz> quite possibly 22:41:37 <Fuzz> the actual order is [md5s] GM_TT00.GM = 45cfec1b9d8c7a0ad45e755833cbf221 GM_TT01.GM = ab14ed3392d848abd2a2e90a9d75d121 GM_TT02.GM = dd4f696e4be5987ce738257b08b50171 GM_TT03.GM = a1bfde23343df9e4063419bf29c166b8 GM_TT04.GM = 4e6943aa0c455203d76c79389054747d GM_TT05.GM = cee281cb85a2e2343552d97640545a47 GM_TT06.GM = 26d1de5efa8675f94065784e9d539e49 GM_TT07.GM = 6f2691e17558f552ec4c565e4ab7139c GM_TT08.GM = a42bf2cb3340a822f1a69646fc7a4 22:41:46 <__ln__> english only 22:41:55 <Fuzz> mine is 45cfec1b9d8c7a0ad45e755833cbf221 GM_TT00.GM dd4f696e4be5987ce738257b08b50171 GM_TT01.GM a1bfde23343df9e4063419bf29c166b8 GM_TT02.GM 1b23eebb0796c1ab99cd97fa7082cf7b GM_TT03.GM 6f2691e17558f552ec4c565e4ab7139c GM_TT04.GM eb35761a58a8df3c59ed8929cce13916 GM_TT05.GM 4e6943aa0c455203d76c79389054747d GM_TT06.GM 7aec079e15bd09588660b85545ac4dfc GM_TT07.GM 26d1de5efa8675f94065784e9d539e49 GM_TT08.GM 4ce707a0e0e72419f0681dd9 22:42:03 <PeterT> paste.openttd.org 22:42:06 <Fuzz> so it's in a different order 22:42:19 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:42:32 *** Hackykid [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has joined #openttd 22:42:51 <planetmaker> 01 is already wrong or different 22:43:12 <Fuzz> yeah exactly 22:43:22 <Fuzz> *sigh* a long tedious process of renaming 22:43:52 <Fuzz> unless i just modify the md5s instead 22:44:02 <planetmaker> it's about ~20 files... 22:44:06 <planetmaker> Better rename the files 22:44:07 <Fuzz> exactly 22:44:13 <Fuzz> i suppose 22:44:32 <aber> or re download them *hust* 22:44:35 <planetmaker> or you'll do the same with the next update of OpenTTD 22:45:04 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 22:45:12 <planetmaker> or use OpenMSX-or-how-that-shall-be-named ;-) 22:45:42 <Fuzz> ok 22:46:06 <Fuzz> when i first downloaded them they were all called ttd00.mid 22:46:10 <Fuzz> etc 22:46:38 <Fuzz> anywho i gtg 22:46:48 <Fuzz> thanks for the help 22:46:51 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:46:57 <Eddi|zuHause> without telling us whether renaming worked? 22:47:08 <Fuzz> well i've got school tomorrow 22:47:18 <Fuzz> but ok 22:47:30 <Fuzz> it'll take forever to rename them 22:48:06 <Eddi|zuHause> what? you can do that in one line of bash script ;) 22:48:32 <Eddi|zuHause> you have the output of md5sum and the correct mapping in orig_win.obm 22:48:32 <Fuzz> teach me howwww 22:48:33 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #openttd 22:50:21 <Fuzz> i think they all need to swap about 22:50:32 <Fuzz> and i don't know how to do that save manual 22:50:37 <Fuzz> which would be awful 22:51:28 <Fuzz> AH 22:51:32 <Fuzz> i'm missing a file! 22:52:01 <planetmaker> better use aunty google to get them anew 22:52:09 *** _newage_ [~victor@15.Red-79-159-152.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left #openttd [] 22:52:15 <Fuzz> my GM_TT12.GM was named GM_TT12.gm 22:52:42 <Fuzz> but still half of them are wrong 22:53:59 <Fuzz> right well seriously i have to go 22:54:05 <Fuzz> but i'll try renaming them later 22:54:32 <Fuzz> thanks for your help so far everyone, if it doesn't work i'll probably pop back at some point 22:54:47 <Terkhen> good night 22:54:49 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@43.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 22:54:54 <Fuzz> night 22:55:11 *** Fuzz [~Fuzz@87.112.96.124.plusnet.ptn-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 22:56:37 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:58:42 <Eddi|zuHause> md5sum *.GM | awk '{ printf "%s ", ; system( "grep " " orig_win.obm | cut -d= -f1") }' <--- this should give the correct mapping 22:59:08 <Eddi|zuHause> wrong-file correct-file 23:00:56 <planetmaker> unfortunately 3 minutes too late :S 23:01:15 <OwenS> Ugh, I have some code which has a mixture of tab and space indentation. For extra fun, it's Python 23:02:40 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:02:40 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 23:02:40 <FauxFaux> Convert it to just tabs, it makes the python people cry. 23:02:51 <OwenS> I'm converting it to just spaces tyvm :p 23:04:06 <FauxFaux> PEP-^I^I^I3. 23:04:46 <FauxFaux> Aww, 3 isn't even the right number. 23:05:19 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:06:33 <OwenS> Hehe, a quick s/\t/ / fixed it :p 23:07:58 <Eddi|zuHause> for extra fun, correct indentation for people who have tab width 4 :p 23:10:00 <OwenS> Heh 23:10:08 <OwenS> It was my own code. Must have been using a misconfigured Kate at the time 23:12:41 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:13:41 <peter1138> istr python only liked tabs at one point 23:15:05 *** Hackykid [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:15:48 <Eddi|zuHause> that must be a long time ago 23:16:14 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-0-189.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:17:03 <peter1138> tabs > spaces, anyway 23:17:36 <Eddi|zuHause> not if python is so bitchy about correct indentation 23:18:18 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-24-13-125-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:18:19 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest229 23:18:19 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 23:18:26 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-100-228.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 23:18:29 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 23:18:47 <Eddi|zuHause> that's the problem, the first person with misconfigured editor will irreparably screw up your code... 23:19:32 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-98-223-99-209.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:19:33 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest230 23:19:33 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 23:20:21 <peter1138> well the solution to that is to just kill them 23:23:00 <SpComb^> ln -sf /usr/bin/kill-all-my-processes-and-force-log-out /usr/bin/$EDITORNAME 23:25:34 *** Guest229 [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:26:44 *** Guest230 [~Dale@c-24-13-125-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:28:55 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:28:56 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest231 23:28:56 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 23:34:18 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 23:36:10 *** Guest231 [~Dale@c-98-223-99-209.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:38:38 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@175.162.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 23:41:15 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 23:47:27 <Eddi|zuHause> how about an action 2 for tunnel entrances that takes 8 sprites (front wall/top and back wall, 4 directions) and then a varaction 2 for ground type/climate? 23:48:31 <planetmaker> what about base set differences, Eddi|zuHause ? 23:48:46 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: grf parameter? 23:48:52 <planetmaker> MP server? 23:49:04 <planetmaker> ugly for you or for me? Not nice really 23:49:09 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 23:49:46 <planetmaker> it'd be the reverse direction the airports just moved with their ground tiles. 23:49:47 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i don't think the problem is that big 23:51:13 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: the "feature" that you are referring to also only works with unmodified base tiles, for any graphical modifications that will again clash 23:51:33 <planetmaker> it works with overlays. 23:52:03 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but there are things that don't work with a simple overlay 23:52:31 <planetmaker> yes. And? 23:52:47 <planetmaker> One of the purposes of railtypes is to actually _remove_ the dependency on the ground tiles 23:52:55 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@77.86.62.101] has joined #openttd 23:53:12 <planetmaker> introducing in now through the backdoor via tunnels again is a bit ... strange 23:53:18 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: but that simply does not work with tunnel entrances 23:53:50 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-79-136-5-149.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 23:53:52 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: at no point in my suggestion did "railtype" come into play 23:54:03 <planetmaker> that's why "currently tunnel graphics are actually provided by the landscape" makes sense 23:54:34 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D88A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:54:36 <planetmaker> yes, in the topic title. It gives somewhat the natural reference, eh? 23:54:55 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@77.86.62.101] has quit [] 23:56:39 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: peter1138 said rail sprite on tunnel entrances is already an overlay, this is about a way to let newgrfs change the tunnel entrance itself 23:57:08 <planetmaker> yes. He said that the entrance is now a landscape thingy 23:57:20 <planetmaker> Making it a rail types thingy breaks landscape compatibility