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Usually they don't 00:40:06 *** SekiSelu [~Seki@c-71-237-70-85.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:40:40 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:41:22 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E79A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:41:35 *** Progman_ is now known as Progman 00:43:50 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@client-86-23-53-134.brhm.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:47:09 *** DanMacK [~here@65.94.201.53] has quit [] 00:50:23 <Eddi|zuHause> but if you have a good coding style, usage of global variables can also easily be spotted 00:50:58 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@client-86-23-53-134.brhm.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 01:00:59 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d89f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:00:59 *** SekiSelu [~Seki@c-71-237-70-85.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:01:11 *** Progman 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08:21:11 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BA29.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:27:57 <Terkhen> good morning 08:29:33 <__ln__> correct 08:40:08 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:44:53 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:45:35 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DBDB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:55:29 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d6e2.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:07:47 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 09:10:51 <KloBass> why does openttd still using midi? 09:12:10 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 09:13:09 <Terkhen> why is using midi a problem? 09:13:11 <Mazur> Because it's programmed that way? Dunno, just guessing here. 09:14:08 <KloBass> well midi seems a little bit obsolete now 09:14:22 <peter1138> bwahaha 09:14:22 <Mazur> Possible reason ro do so: because openttd wants to be free (Cue F. Mercury & co.) and it's easier to create free MIDI music. 09:14:43 <Eddi|zuHause> ... everything people don't understand is automatically obsolete... 09:14:48 <Terkhen> it sounds good for me :) 09:15:14 <Mazur> Yes, for me to. If I want to play piano, I just have to tell my MIDI. 09:15:50 <KloBass> well ogg is free also 09:15:58 <Eddi|zuHause> damn you, now i have that song in my head 09:15:58 <peter1138> "tell your MIDI"... 09:16:18 <Mazur> Yes, but can you choose a random instrument and play it over ogg? 09:16:23 <Eddi|zuHause> Mazur: MIDI is an interface, not an object 09:16:24 <Terkhen> besides, OpenTTD original (midi) songs fit in 1 MB... a version of them in MP3 that is somewhere in the forums requires 72 MB 09:17:01 <Mazur> It's an interface to samples of instruments. 09:17:01 <KloBass> Terkhen: thats good argument 09:17:08 <Terkhen> I don't know if ogg compression is better, but I doubt it can reach 1 MB 09:17:14 <peter1138> no, it's an interface 09:17:32 <peter1138> samples of instruments is just one particular implementation of a midi-controlled synthesizer 09:18:15 <Mazur> If you insist, you're probably right, as I don't know mucch about the sound systems. 09:18:52 <Mazur> Can you control that synthesizer through an ogg interface? 09:18:57 <KloBass> dunno :) 09:18:58 <Eddi|zuHause> i've seen roller organs controlled by midi ;) 09:19:26 <Eddi|zuHause> Mazur: you're asking the wrong question 09:19:33 <KloBass> but have to recompile my kernel :-D 09:19:42 <KloBass> i want that music back 09:19:43 <KloBass> :-D 09:19:44 <peter1138> (if i want a piano sound, i fire up pianoteq, which models a piano through complicated synthesis techniques... but absolutely no samples) 09:19:46 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:20:13 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:23:04 <Mazur> Eddi|zuHause: Story of my life, I'm an ASS that way. 09:23:27 <peter1138> yeah, ogg is not an interface :) 09:25:15 <Mazur> Yes, I know, I formulated it totally wrong. 09:26:00 <peter1138> you can, however, implement a way to do that 09:26:07 <peter1138> it would be pretty pointless though 09:27:04 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 09:36:59 *** Cadde [~cadde@c83-249-114-48.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:37:03 *** Cadde [Cadde@c83-249-114-48.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 09:38:48 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:39:18 *** DanMacK [~here@65.94.201.53] has joined #openttd 09:40:30 <KloBass> one more question 09:40:43 <peter1138> sorry, you've had your quota :D 09:40:55 <KloBass> is there a way to tell trains to force ignore only one signal on their way 09:41:14 <KloBass> like add into goto goto here and ignore all signals you will meet 09:42:19 <KloBass> peter1138: :( 09:42:33 <SpComb> you shouldn't need to ignore signals like that 09:43:09 <peter1138> yeah, if you're ignoring signals, you're doing it wrong 09:43:57 <SpComb> like trying to build a railway network using only two-way basic signals 09:44:32 <KloBass> well if you have one tunnel like 170units long 09:44:56 <KloBass> you have to wait very long time before one train exits it 09:45:31 <Noldo> you want to send train to the tunnel ignoring signals 09:45:31 <SpComb> then you have a faster train and a slower train... 09:45:54 <KloBass> Noldo: i know but you have to click it manually 09:45:55 <Noldo> interesting solution to the tunnel problem 09:45:56 <peter1138> or a jam at the end 09:46:13 <KloBass> SpComb: no 09:46:45 <Noldo> it would help if you could set the speed of the train while going somewhere 09:47:08 <Eddi|zuHause> i would love that speed setting 09:47:26 <peter1138> new order, max speed? :p 09:47:37 <Noldo> goto with max speed 09:47:40 <Eddi|zuHause> "go via waypoint a, at max. 80km/h" 09:47:55 <Eddi|zuHause> it would be a per-order setting 09:48:01 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.206] has joined #openttd 09:48:09 <KloBass> well it will not solve problem when you have one way rails and there is a big tunel over 150 titles your trains have to wait before tunel antrance because you cant have signals in tunel 09:48:39 <KloBass> so in entrance there is red all the time until train leaves tunel 09:48:39 <Eddi|zuHause> KloBass: see, there is your solution, implement signals in tunnels 09:49:04 <KloBass> Eddi|zuHause: or make underground rails :) manually 09:49:15 <Noldo> Eddi|zuHause: where would you use that max speed setting? 09:49:54 <Eddi|zuHause> Noldo: in mixed passenger/cargo lines, when a fast train is scheduled to follow a slow train 09:50:43 <Eddi|zuHause> even more useful if maintenance cost were based on acceleration and speed 09:51:21 <Eddi|zuHause> a train going 80km/h would be way cheaper than a train accelerating to 160km/h and stopping all the time 09:51:56 <KloBass> is there ofical way to suggest improvment? 09:51:57 <peter1138> heh 09:52:22 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, add a speed limit to each order complicates things 09:52:32 <Eddi|zuHause> "things"? 09:53:07 <Eddi|zuHause> how is that different than load/unload settings or scheduled times? 09:54:56 <peter1138> load/unload was always there 09:55:43 <Mazur> Moving blo9ck trains would obviate the need of all those complicated methods. 09:55:45 <Eddi|zuHause> how is that an argument? 09:55:51 <peter1138> i dunno :P 09:56:06 <Eddi|zuHause> great :p 09:56:11 * KloBass lold 09:56:42 <KloBass> impossible features : ⢠Underground stations/track/signals 09:57:31 <KloBass> my bat 09:57:32 <KloBass> :-D 09:57:38 <KloBass> wrong forum 09:57:39 <KloBass> :-D 09:57:55 <KloBass> bad* 09:57:56 <KloBass> mg 10:00:00 <peter1138> that's the ultimate solution :) 10:00:20 <peter1138> just play locomotion to see it done badly ;p 10:00:38 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DBDB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:01:21 <KloBass> ye 10:01:23 <KloBass> good idea 10:01:37 <KloBass> but there is 50% done in tunel signals 10:01:40 <KloBass> according to wiki 10:01:57 <KloBass> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=41260 10:02:34 <peter1138> yeah but it's probably useless 10:03:10 <KloBass> why? 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11:25:27 <andythenorth> just feels a bit wrong 11:25:44 <planetmaker> I cannot agree quite :-) 11:26:03 <planetmaker> The "loosing" money is an aspect which happens quite frequently in feeder systems... 11:26:14 <planetmaker> And it's not really something bad per se, I think 11:26:27 <planetmaker> It's even realistc ;-) 11:26:35 <planetmaker> uh... there was it, that bad word :-P 11:26:42 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@188.72.255.192] has joined #openttd 11:27:37 <andythenorth> hmmm 11:27:42 <KenjiE20> most of my games end up a bit like that, a few key cash cows fund the ones loosing 11:27:57 <andythenorth> no breakdowns also means no replacing vehicles, which is weird 11:28:03 <andythenorth> I have 95 year old ferries 11:28:57 <andythenorth> hey ho 11:29:08 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc2fd8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:29:27 <andythenorth> I only turned off breakdowns because with PBS servicing can be a hassle 11:32:51 <Mazur> andythenorth: I had no troubles. 11:33:42 <andythenorth> it's fine if signals are placed carefully. But on single-track-with-passing-loops it can become a hassle, especially where space is tight. 11:35:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i find servicing annoying 11:35:49 <Eddi|zuHause> it doesn't fit in my networks 11:36:07 <Eddi|zuHause> and breakdowns are way too often 11:36:15 <andythenorth> I like RT3 servicing - it's just a thing that happens in stations 11:36:34 <andythenorth> add maintenance facilities to a station, the train gets serviced there. 11:37:12 <Eddi|zuHause> what i'd like to see is fuel distance and refilling time 11:37:23 <Eddi|zuHause> especially for airplanes 11:37:26 <andythenorth> what would that do? 11:37:38 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-142-144.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:37:38 <Eddi|zuHause> it would set a maximum distance between stops 11:37:51 <andythenorth> and if they run out of fuel, proceed at 3mph? 11:37:55 <Eddi|zuHause> no 11:38:11 <Eddi|zuHause> the orders would be important, like for ships 11:38:36 <Eddi|zuHause> you can't set orders for stations further away than their fuel distance 11:39:05 <Noldo> maybe you could but they would turn back when noticing they can't make it 11:39:06 <Eddi|zuHause> if an airplane has a distance of 300 tiles, you can't send it across a 2048 map 11:40:06 <Eddi|zuHause> it would also make a difference for steam engines with additional tender 11:41:01 <andythenorth> hmmm interesting 11:41:04 <Eddi|zuHause> are you investing more weight and maintenance cost for fewer and shorter stops? 11:41:37 <andythenorth> On balance I like breakdowns on 11:41:46 <Eddi|zuHause> refuelling would work similar to loading, it takes a certain amount of time 11:42:30 <Eddi|zuHause> question is: should fuel distance scale with map size? 11:42:38 <Noldo> maybe that max speed setting could also play a part ;) 11:43:02 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:43:29 <Eddi|zuHause> Noldo: no, it must be something static... there should be no "run out of fuel" 11:43:52 <Noldo> I meant like, takes more fuel to go fast 11:44:21 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-227-138.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:45:07 <Eddi|zuHause> but you can't do that when you combine this with a limit for giving orders in the first place 11:45:37 <Rubidium> take more fuel, thus higher range but less capacity 11:47:03 <Eddi|zuHause> would also give battery powered vs. diesel powered more strategic value. battery powered is cheaper, but rather low range 11:49:34 <Eddi|zuHause> and refilling takes longer with battery 11:49:41 *** Uresu [~Wes@90.210.236.67] has joined #openttd 11:51:53 <Eddi|zuHause> and electric doesn't need refilling at all 11:53:18 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BA29.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:53:19 *** NoobCp [~kvirc@4.63.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 11:56:38 <peter1138> feel free to write these patches... 11:59:13 *** NoobCp [~kvirc@4.63.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:01:11 *** ptr [~peter@wpa-247.kthopen.kth.se] has joined #openttd 12:01:40 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@client-86-23-53-134.brhm.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 12:02:08 *** ptr [~peter@wpa-247.kthopen.kth.se] has quit [] 12:03:21 *** NoobCp [~kvirc@4.63.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 12:03:24 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 12:05:27 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8407.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:06:53 *** ptr [~peter@130.237.4.247] has joined #openttd 12:07:11 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:40ed:b874:cddc:7c85] has joined #openttd 12:07:15 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:12:07 *** NoobCp [~kvirc@4.63.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:14:48 *** NoobCp [~kvirc@4.63.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 12:16:13 *** tdev [~tdev@p508EDF5B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:21:47 *** michi_cc [michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:22:19 *** lewymati [~lewymati@89.230.159.206] has joined #openttd 12:34:07 *** teeone [oryan@sometimes.hoes.need.to.be.slapped.us] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 12:38:50 <ccfreak2k> Eddi|zuHause, so your diesel train stalls because it's out of fuel - now what? 12:39:10 <ccfreak2k> Oh wait, I missed that part. 12:41:23 <peter1138> it'll have to run slowly, like not enough power up hill? 12:41:58 <peter1138> oh, if it can't run out of fuel... what's the point? heh 12:42:24 *** michi_cc [~michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 12:42:26 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 12:42:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i said it should be a static limit on the orders, not with a dynamic "run out of fuel" element 12:42:31 <ccfreak2k> Maybe he wants to increase running cost to make deliveries faster. 12:42:38 <ccfreak2k> Or something. 12:42:52 *** |NoobCp| [~kvirc@4.63.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 12:42:56 <peter1138> silly 12:43:02 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:43:21 <peter1138> you could build a huge loop with 2 stations near each other 12:43:27 <peter1138> stopping off at stations in between 12:43:46 <Eddi|zuHause> early propeller aircraft should not cross the entire map 12:46:01 <JostVice> is it possible to have two trains in a network that connects different towns using only one rail? 12:46:12 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, you can still cross the map with inbetween stops 12:46:36 <JostVice> and having two platforms in each station 12:47:07 <Eddi|zuHause> JostVice: it only makes sense if you have a double track section in the middle, not at the ends 12:47:25 <JostVice> soi would need to have double track everywhere 12:47:37 <Eddi|zuHause> no... somewhere 12:48:10 *** NoobCp [~kvirc@4.63.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:50:38 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:50:56 <JostVice> um 12:51:12 <JostVice> it is better to have double track and have them one-way only ? 12:51:38 <SpComb> JostVice: depends on how intensively you want to run the trains 12:51:38 <KenjiE20> depends on traffic 12:52:06 <Eddi|zuHause> the double track serction can be as short as one train length, and should be one-way 12:52:28 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BA29.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:53:13 <Eddi|zuHause> with two trains you need one double track section, with three trains you need two double track sections, and so on. 12:53:53 *** fjb [~frank@p5485B4A2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:54:44 <Eddi|zuHause> they should be evenly spaced, and the trains should have a schedule with waiting times at the end 12:55:07 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-hkibrasgw1-ff1ec000-127.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:55:44 *** nighthawk_c_m [~nighthawk@pD95042DE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:56:13 <nighthawk_c_m> Anyone here that could help me on a ECS problem? 12:56:28 <KloBass> !man ecs 12:56:35 <KloBass> hmm 12:57:20 <nighthawk_c_m> ?? 12:57:57 <JostVice> one double track section in between two stations? 12:59:10 <Terkhen> nighthawk_c_m: we won't know until you tell your problem 12:59:47 <JostVice> I already have two platforms in the stations, and a section with double track, what sygnals should i put in that section and in the track? I guess normal two way block signals in the whole track, and entry presignals and exit signals ? 13:02:36 <nighthawk_c_m> I have a problem with the standard ECS Power plant - I only use the ECS Town and Basic Vector - settings are that mines dont die and max acceptance being 56k - in addition I have a patched version running with extended daylength - now the power station does not increase its output/need for coal. 13:03:15 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-227-138.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Something strange must have happened...] 13:04:56 <nighthawk_c_m> And in the ECS wikki is no explicit entry for the functions of the power plants 13:05:39 <Terkhen> IIRC daylenght patches caused problems in ECS; you should check the thread of your patched version 13:07:08 <nighthawk_c_m> I found nothing specific concerning ECS there - the problem seems to be based on ECS itself havinga fixed max acceptance instead of a tick based one 13:07:41 <nighthawk_c_m> still I'd like to know how to increase the Level: xx% (state) of the power plant 13:07:57 <nighthawk_c_m> What determins its production of power / usage 13:09:09 <George> nighthawk_c_m: amount of coal+oil waiting 13:09:47 *** fjb [~frank@p5485B5E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:11:14 *** KloBass [~hadameko@193.179.62.1] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:16:32 <nighthawk_c_m> Can't be - amount is 65k for now three month in a row and it doesn't increase its usage 13:25:53 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:28:43 *** _NoobCp_ [~kvirc@4.63.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 13:35:53 *** |NoobCp| [~kvirc@4.63.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:40:53 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn13-22.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:41:23 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-48-87.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:42:44 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@r5ba58.net.upc.cz] has joined 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15:41:15 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/andy.png <- does that look "useful"? 15:42:09 <Rubidium> oh, should've said andythenorth :) 15:42:52 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.14.194] has joined #openttd 15:49:15 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:49:29 <Eddi|zuHause> that supposed to be a "bug" icon? 15:50:02 <SmatZ> it's a de-debug icon 15:50:08 <Eddi|zuHause> it looks like a mutated Â¥ 15:50:13 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9799.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:52:05 <planetmaker> it's an upward walking bug :-) 15:52:28 <planetmaker> and that looks quite useful, Rubidium. 15:55:37 *** FloSoft [~oftc@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:56:58 *** FloSoft [bouncer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has joined #openttd 15:58:48 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.206] has joined #openttd 16:10:48 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-5-1.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 16:10:51 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 16:12:31 <Guest1009> Which namespace is used by default? 16:13:56 <Yexo> the self scope of the object you clicked on 16:13:58 *** ptr_ [~peter@n18-p169.kthopen.kth.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 16:14:25 <SmatZ> unnamed namespace 16:15:44 <Guest1009> So after I do "using namespace std", there is no way to go back? 16:16:23 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:16:25 <peter1138> just don't do it :) 16:16:33 <Guest1009> I won't 16:16:41 <Guest1009> Files I never even heard of refuse to compile 16:16:59 <Guest1009> Just typing std:: before every string and vector is a pain 16:17:12 <SmatZ> "using std::vector" 16:17:18 <peter1138> yup, that :) 16:18:01 <peter1138> greece to activate emergency loans... that sounds bad 16:18:24 <__ln__> Guest1009: you can say "using namespace std" inside a function's scope, too. 16:18:58 <Guest1009> Thanks 16:18:59 <SmatZ> also, why would do that before including any header? 16:19:06 <SmatZ> *you 16:19:06 <Guest1009> I didn't 16:21:12 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:23:56 <Alberth> we have very little use of stl in openttd 16:25:11 <SmatZ> we have our own Small* replacements :) 16:25:12 <Belugas> shut the light ? 16:25:32 <Belugas> silence the lunatic? 16:25:43 <peter1138> band name 16:26:23 <Belugas> btz 16:27:14 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-5d8227e0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:27:32 <peter1138> hehe 16:28:57 *** Z [~z@92.11.105.127] has joined #openttd 16:29:08 <Alberth> we have very little use of openttd in openttd 16:29:18 *** Z is now known as Guest1016 16:29:24 <Alberth> just testing :) 16:30:54 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 16:31:10 <Alberth> although coming up with a good band name for so many letters is quite difficult :p 16:33:52 *** Guest1016 [~z@92.11.105.127] has quit [] 16:34:07 *** The_Z [~z@92.11.105.127] has joined #openttd 16:34:23 *** Polygon 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seconds] 17:38:53 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc2fd8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:41:08 <andythenorth> evening 17:42:11 <Terkhen> hi andythenorth 17:42:23 <andythenorth> it's Friday, what shall we make? 17:42:43 <nighthawk_c_m> babies? :-P 17:42:47 <andythenorth> got one already 17:42:50 <andythenorth> don't need another one yet 17:43:05 <nighthawk_c_m> hehe 17:43:46 <andythenorth> I have some ships to paint, or I could do some FIRS work 17:43:50 <andythenorth> hmmm 17:43:55 <andythenorth> ships I guess :P 17:44:55 * Alberth gives andythenorth some bright coloured waterproof paint 17:45:08 <andythenorth> umm thanks 17:45:26 <andythenorth> Can I hand out any useful bytes to people, maybe they'd code a few patches? 17:45:32 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: translators * r19700 /trunk/src/lang/ (5 files): 17:45:32 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:32 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: traditional_chinese - 1 changes by josesun 17:45:32 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: finnish - 11 changes by jpx_ 17:45:32 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: indonesian - 3 changes by fanioz, prof 17:45:33 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: polish - 3 changes by silver_777 17:45:33 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 7 changes by kwast, vitor_015 17:46:08 *** james_ [~james@host86-167-101-247.range86-167.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:46:11 <planetmaker> andythenorth: did you see the last useful patch proposal? :-) 17:46:21 <andythenorth> which was? 17:46:25 <planetmaker> [17:41] <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/andy.png <- does that look "useful"? 17:47:14 <andythenorth> looks pretty awesome 17:47:23 <andythenorth> wonder if some of the values should be escaped 17:48:35 <planetmaker> that particular question was aimed at you :-) So... your personal patch, your comments welcome, I guess ;-) 17:48:48 <andythenorth> is that an available patch? 17:48:56 <andythenorth> or a proof of concept? 17:50:25 * andythenorth ponders default cargo for freight hovercraft. 17:50:29 <andythenorth> probably goods, not coal 17:50:46 <planetmaker> milk! 17:51:05 <planetmaker> dunno wether that patch is somewhere. Ask Rb :-) 17:51:54 <andythenorth> Rubidium: the debug stuff in the screenshot looks useful. Is it something I can compile yet? 17:52:02 <andythenorth> and no to milk! 17:53:03 <planetmaker> animals? 17:53:18 <planetmaker> ;-) 17:53:43 <Terkhen> stuff 17:54:34 <planetmaker> :-P 17:54:40 * andythenorth has overlooked something somewhere to do with goods 17:54:46 <planetmaker> Two cargo scheme: 17:54:49 <planetmaker> folks and stuff 17:55:06 <andythenorth> sometimes 1 crate of goods = 1t 17:55:13 <andythenorth> sometimes 2 crates of goods = 1t 17:55:14 <andythenorth> ? 17:55:40 <andythenorth> seems to vary by newgrf, but I haven't really looked into it much 17:55:49 <andythenorth> what should the default be? 17:57:19 <andythenorth> or do I misunderstand? 17:57:24 <asilv> 2 goods/t says http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=CargoDefaultProps 17:57:59 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BA29.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:58:01 <andythenorth> FIRS has goods at 8, so 2 crates = 1t 17:58:13 <andythenorth> but my vehicles are refitting at 1 crate = 1t 17:58:16 * andythenorth is baffled 17:59:18 * andythenorth also ponders Mail refit for freight hovercraft 17:59:20 <andythenorth> meh 17:59:30 <Alberth> the roads seem to have more gravity 18:00:57 * andythenorth allows Mail refit on freight hovercraft. Don't be the victim of a slavish consistency :p 18:01:30 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fec8a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:01:52 <andythenorth> ah frosch123 is here :) 18:01:59 <andythenorth> and I have *no* questions for him 18:02:15 <planetmaker> quak 18:02:15 <frosch123> great \o/ 18:02:29 <frosch123> hello andy, moin pm 18:02:35 <planetmaker> moin frosch123 :-) 18:03:35 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: a1270] 18:06:00 <fjb> Quak frosch123 18:06:55 <frosch123> moin fjb :) 18:07:05 <fjb> :) 18:08:10 <peter1138> andythenorth, do you use the refit capacity callback? 18:08:46 <andythenorth> not for goods, if that's the context of the question. I'm wondering if I should 18:11:34 *** lasershock [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:11:53 * andythenorth wonders if hovercraft are bouyant without the air cushion 18:12:50 <Alberth> of ocurse they are, otherwise they would sink if they have engine problems at the middle of the sea 18:13:02 <Alberth> course* 18:13:18 <peter1138> ah, that rule is not applied to ships 18:13:41 <andythenorth> Alberth: thought they must be. 18:14:02 * andythenorth wonders if the loading state for 'overcraft should show the skirt inflated or not 18:14:07 <andythenorth> the easy answer is yes 18:14:12 <Alberth> andythenorth: otherwise you will not get permission to transport passengers across the channel :p 18:14:35 * andythenorth offers serious cookies for the first patch to let hovercraft dock on the shore 18:15:17 <Alberth> that would be cool 18:15:36 <andythenorth> conceptually it's almost the same problem as for seaplanes 18:15:40 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@r5ba58.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:16:07 <frosch123> or helicopters vs. planes :) 18:16:25 <andythenorth> so....goes in the queue of things that need a state machine? :P 18:17:06 <Alberth> let us await the results of the first experiments :p 18:18:05 <andythenorth> http://tt-foundry.com/misc/hovercraft.png 18:18:23 *** lasershock [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 18:19:09 <andythenorth> my my hovercraft are fast when you're used to normal ships :o 18:19:12 * Alberth takes the medium freight HC for coal instead of the large one :) 18:20:06 <frosch123> can you refit it do go double speed at double running cost? 18:20:26 <andythenorth> I'm just thinking about that 18:20:42 <planetmaker> frosch123: double running costs would be not proper. tripple or so. 18:20:48 <planetmaker> or quadruple 18:20:56 <andythenorth> it's either: (A) faster unloaded, slower unloaded (B) refit for overload or overspeed or both (C) all of the above 18:20:58 <Alberth> andythenorth: I once pondered setting up a passenger service with 1 person ThrustCC :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThrustSSC 18:21:22 <andythenorth> looks highly efficient 18:21:45 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 18:21:55 * andythenorth sorts the offsets out and worries about the speed / capacity refits later 18:22:01 <frosch123> what is the intention of refitting loading speed? 18:22:30 <andythenorth> loading speed? No change. But there is the possibility of refitting for 'overload' (slower) 18:22:53 <andythenorth> maybe Terkhen could figure out the refit GUI first :P 18:23:29 <andythenorth> I'm fooling around with this refit stuff here, but when I eventually do BANDIT (truck set) I want it to be right, as it will be needed a lot. 18:24:09 <andythenorth> I kind of don't like the abuse of 'cargo type' for all these refits, but hey, it's here today and it works :P 18:24:36 <Terkhen> andythenorth: http://devs.openttd.org/~terkhen/patches/split_refit/split_refit_3.png <--- I'm currently checking the corner cases 18:28:34 <andythenorth> Terkhen: looks workable 18:29:53 * andythenorth imagines the right hand pane with '75t in 2 end dump trailers, company colour', '75t in 2 end dump trailers, alternative colour', '75t in 2 side dump trailers, company colour' etc. etc. 18:30:49 <andythenorth> I can imagine cases where livery, capacity (overload), speed (overspeed), number of trailers and style of trailer are all controlled by refit 18:31:03 <andythenorth> so there could be 50 combinations in that menu 18:31:13 <andythenorth> but if I did that I would be a silly newgrf author indeed 18:31:55 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.206] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:33:27 <Terkhen> I'll post the diff / screenshots at the forums to get some feedback... I still have the feeling that I'm missing something 18:34:11 <andythenorth> it needs testing with some of the refit heavy sets like planeset, AV8 etc 18:35:22 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:37:02 <frosch123> don't forget trains :) 18:37:19 <Terkhen> yes, I've checked how it looks with some of them, but not any proper testing 18:38:33 <andythenorth> well lets see what play testing turns up :) 18:41:48 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 18:46:02 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:48:42 *** james_ [~james@host86-167-101-247.range86-167.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:57:04 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has joined #openttd 19:01:47 <planetmaker> hm, good question... can one do a livery refit without introducing a dummy cargo? 19:02:45 <andythenorth> on an engine alone? 19:03:26 <planetmaker> yes, that's my question 19:03:54 <planetmaker> also in order to still allow for "full load all" 19:04:02 <planetmaker> for the whole consist 19:04:12 * andythenorth doesn't know 19:04:35 *** The_Z [~z@92.11.105.127] has joined #openttd 19:04:57 <peter1138> nop 19:05:05 <planetmaker> hm, a pity :-( 19:05:13 <planetmaker> but thanks :-) 19:05:23 <peter1138> maybe you can patch it to :p 19:05:39 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 19:06:16 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@r5ba58.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 19:07:43 *** Guest1019 [~z@92.11.105.127] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:09:49 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-5d8227e0.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: gn8] 19:10:09 <frosch123> planetmaker: you need a cargo, but you can later set capacity to zero, so full load is possible 19:10:41 <planetmaker> full load all even? Hm, that's good news then 19:11:01 <planetmaker> But I guess I cannot refit to livery A and coal as two independent refits? 19:11:26 <andythenorth> there's probably a hack way to do it based on consist? I've done something with HEQS, but it's not a 'livery reift' as I (misunderstand) them 19:16:15 * andythenorth is now too tempted to use hovercraft for all freight shipping :P 19:23:22 <andythenorth> hmmm 19:24:30 <andythenorth> loading speed can be a bit interesting 19:37:33 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@r5ba58.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:40:32 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc2fd8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:47:56 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@r5ba58.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 19:48:15 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@r5ba58.net.upc.cz] has quit [] 19:49:38 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.14.194] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 19:50:02 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 19:53:44 *** asilv [~asilvio@dsl-lprbrasgw1-fe9afa00-232.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 19:55:17 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-5-1.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:57:17 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-73-100.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 19:57:20 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 19:57:34 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@r5ba58.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 19:59:06 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@77.106.152.154] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:07:29 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 20:08:33 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:08:47 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 20:09:02 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8407.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:11:31 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-9-67.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:13:48 *** moot [moot@nom.nom.delicious.strawberrycupcak.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:15:33 *** moot [moot@nom.nom.delicious.strawberrycupcak.es] has joined #openttd 20:21:59 *** Z [~z@92.11.105.127] has joined #openttd 20:22:38 *** Z is now known as Guest1034 20:25:46 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:26:07 *** The_Z [~z@92.11.105.127] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:32:42 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc2fd8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:34:20 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-188-136-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 20:41:29 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-227-138.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 20:44:04 <andythenorth> Can I apply a patch as a grf? 20:44:59 <Terkhen> yes (as long as that patch is russian town names) 20:45:13 * andythenorth should stay out of the suggestions forum. It's unhealthy 20:45:43 <andythenorth> actually that one was in OpenTTD forum :P 20:46:49 * andythenorth should sleep 20:46:50 <andythenorth> good night 20:47:33 <Ammler> nightly 20:47:43 <Nite_Owl> later andythenorth 20:48:17 *** Jhs [~Jhs4@200.80-202-26.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:54:41 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 20:55:36 *** nighthawk_c_m [~nighthawk@pD95042DE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:17:18 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 21:21:12 *** james_ [~james@host86-167-101-247.range86-167.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:25:39 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 21:32:17 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 21:36:00 *** The_Z [~z@92.11.105.127] has joined #openttd 21:42:35 *** Guest1034 [~z@92.11.105.127] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:45:32 *** Z [~z@92.11.105.127] has joined #openttd 21:46:08 *** Z is now known as Guest1040 21:47:08 *** tdev [~tdev@p508EFAE2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:47:26 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: frosch * r19701 /trunk/src/ (ai/api/ai_industrytype.cpp industry_cmd.cpp industry_gui.cpp): -Fix [FS#3787]: Check for industry availability more thoroughly and cancel object placement when selecting not available industries. 21:48:53 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-9-67.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:51:50 *** The_Z_UKBG [~z@92.11.105.127] has joined #openttd 21:52:11 *** The_Z [~z@92.11.105.127] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:52:13 *** The_Z_UKBG is now known as The_Z 21:52:13 *** The_Z [~z@92.11.105.127] has quit [] 21:53:36 *** Guest1040 [~z@92.11.105.127] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:56:46 *** login [~z@92.11.105.127] has joined #openttd 21:58:27 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:59:24 <Rubidium> andythenorth: http://hg.openttd.org/developers/rubidium/newgrf_debug.hg/ 22:00:51 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-227-138.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Something strange must have happened...] 22:12:22 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BA29.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:25:03 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:27:30 *** james_ [~james@host86-167-101-247.range86-167.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:31:00 *** Jhs [~Jhs4@200.80-202-26.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 22:31:41 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 22:42:34 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc2fd8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 22:45:23 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe23dc00-198.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 22:49:47 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9799.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... Der, der blÀht, als hinterster geht!] 22:52:12 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 22:53:04 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 23:08:05 *** lolman [~Holygoat@188-220-38-226.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:10:23 <fjb> eGRVS horse carriages have some trouble with realistic acceleration for road vehicles. 23:11:40 <Terkhen> IIRC they have a TE or power of zero 23:14:34 <Eddi|zuHause> wasn't that solved? 23:15:47 <Rubidium> depends on the exact cause; if the NewGRF defines it to be 0 vs the NewGRF doesn't define it 23:16:50 <fjb> I just see them crawl at 1km per hour. 23:17:55 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: then talk to the author 23:18:33 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 23:24:16 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:25:23 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has joined #openttd 23:28:37 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc2fd8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:34:52 *** login [~z@92.11.105.127] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:38:43 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:40:13 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 23:53:51 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.0.103.88] has quit [Quit: ãããã¿ãªãã] 23:54:01 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:58:59 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 23:59:07 <Terkhen> good night