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00:01:42 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.250.146] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 00:05:05 *** Adambean [adamr@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:09:07 *** Adambean` [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:27:35 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e176230139.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 00:31:36 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.24.198] has joined #openttd 00:32:32 <nicfer> good night 00:33:05 <PeterT> night sir 00:34:55 <nicfer> has the game some shortcut for take/pay loans? 00:35:06 <PeterT> yes 00:35:18 <PeterT> hold ctrl when clicking on borrow/return loans 00:36:22 <nicfer> I mean, a keyboard shortcut 00:36:39 <nicfer> and I know about the borrow/return all trick 00:42:08 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has joined #openttd 00:42:33 <PeterT> not that I know of, nicfer 00:50:15 *** fjb [~frank@p5485BC89.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:52:24 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8daae.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02:13 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF82C4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:30:52 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:30:52 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:36:36 *** Guest308 [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:15:36 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-50-72.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:16:03 <nicfer> is just me, or the random city creator should not put cities not too close each other? 02:17:52 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-165-17.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 02:17:55 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 02:24:25 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@188.109.241.194] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:26:20 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-220-139-008.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 02:30:10 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:05:46 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:2815:7398:d415:3d87] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:21:40 <De_Ghosty> stop adding so many city 03:21:42 <De_Ghosty> on a small map 04:40:46 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8853.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 04:41:38 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@77.106.157.25] has joined #openttd 04:56:03 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C56.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 04:56:23 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77848.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:16:10 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:37:15 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe32dc00-253.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 05:43:05 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8853.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:58:26 *** Markk [~markk@91.90.24.184] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:29:08 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.24.198] has left #openttd [] 06:36:10 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 07:03:19 <dihedral> good morning ladies 07:08:35 <Goulp> Kiss man 07:12:17 <dihedral> Goulp: i think you nick looks pretty on ignore lists ^^ 07:27:59 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.12.234] has joined #openttd 07:54:48 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C9D7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:59:40 *** Markk [~markk@91.90.24.184] has joined #openttd 08:09:38 <planetmaker> moin 08:10:07 <planetmaker> peter1138: concerning rail types: is it possible to allow also smooth snow transition under the (normal) rail track tiles? 08:10:40 <planetmaker> I know that it's somewhat limited by the free space in the map array. But maybe there's a way around that? :-) 08:11:29 <Eddi|zuHause> whole m7 is free for rail tiles ;) 08:14:35 <peter1138> well you can do it with maths 08:15:34 <planetmaker> well. But I thought the point of overlays would be to be exactly that: don't care about the ground 08:15:58 <peter1138> hmm, right, it's the ground that needs it 08:16:02 <planetmaker> thus I can't really without resorting to things which will look ugly one way or another 08:16:42 <planetmaker> I'm sure SmatZ has a patch to that end somewhere 08:16:54 <peter1138> probably 08:17:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i vaguely remember a screenshot showing snow transition on rail tiles 08:17:09 <peter1138> i know he did one that created new sprites automatically 08:17:16 <Eddi|zuHause> it was a while back, though 08:17:22 <peter1138> which was really quite ingenious 08:17:53 <planetmaker> http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/snow_desert_r14280.diff 08:18:09 <planetmaker> he might have updated it recently, though 08:18:44 <peter1138> anyway 08:18:45 <planetmaker> I talked to him recently about this... but I don't recall the link he gave, whether this or another 08:19:10 <Eddi|zuHause> that's what you have logfiles for ;) 08:24:05 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C9D7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:51:31 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:57:18 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3972.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:12:31 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d4dc.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:13:15 <Ammler> good day all :-) 09:13:43 <peter1138> zomg, no newgrfs 09:26:47 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@77.106.157.25] has quit [Quit: Forlater kanalen] 09:33:22 *** fjb [~frank@p5485ABC3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:34:20 <fjb> Moin 09:34:55 <planetmaker> moin fjb 09:36:13 <dihedral> pm - how was the weekend? :-) 09:36:31 <Ammler> we missed you! 09:36:42 <Rubidium> without you :) 09:37:17 <planetmaker> ^ && ^^ 09:37:42 <planetmaker> we had cake. We had fun. We had little sleep :-P 09:37:52 <dihedral> ^^ 09:37:57 <dihedral> sounds good :-D 09:38:07 <Ammler> german weather is quite funny 09:38:19 <Ammler> like someone pushed fastforward 09:39:04 <planetmaker> :-) 09:39:20 <dihedral> lol 09:49:58 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 09:54:12 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:57:43 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e176230139.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:59:29 <Eddi|zuHause> that's proof: everything is slower in switzerland :p 10:00:15 <Ammler> well, I prefer the sunny part to be slower :-P 10:06:05 <planetmaker> yeah, it was good that I got the tents :-) 10:14:11 * peter1138 ponders committing his service interval patch 10:14:20 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:18:08 <Eddi|zuHause> grr... i have no clue how to do this... i tried everything: how do i set up a windows share for anonymous and password-free access? 10:18:16 <Eddi|zuHause> on windows 10:25:27 <FauxFaux> Turn on advanced and grant the "Everyone" group access to it. 10:25:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i tried that, doesn't work 10:25:55 <FauxFaux> Step 2: Panic. 10:26:03 <Eddi|zuHause> when i try to access it (from linux) it still asks for username and password 10:26:20 <FauxFaux> Did you try guest / no password? 10:26:30 <FauxFaux> smbclient is pretty shit. It also has a -anon flag. 10:26:36 <FauxFaux> Or an anonymoose user. 10:27:18 <Eddi|zuHause> it used to work, but i moved the windows directory to another drive, and had to recreate the share 10:27:29 <Eddi|zuHause> since then it doesn't work anymore 10:27:34 <Eddi|zuHause> nothing changed on the linux side 10:28:05 <FauxFaux> Make it work from a Windows machine first so you know it's not smbclient being terrible? 10:30:16 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't have a suitible windows machine available without restarting... 10:31:16 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.250.146] has joined #openttd 10:32:35 <Eddi|zuHause> it works for (some) other shares on the same computer, and on the windows side i can't see any differences 10:40:50 <Rubidium> I bet there is some setting somewhere in the registry 10:42:30 *** JVassie_ [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:44:36 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:56:50 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-220-139-008.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:57:54 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-220-139-008.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:15:13 <Rubidium> peter1138: what service interval patch are you talking about? 11:15:37 <peter1138> the patch i wrote the other day 11:16:28 * fjb wondered the same. 11:16:34 <Eddi|zuHause> feature request: notify if a vehicle missed its service interval more than twice 11:16:53 <Eddi|zuHause> [e.g. by not finding a depot] 11:16:58 <peter1138> adds a drop down item to the vehicle list windows to mass-set it 11:18:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i.e. if (current date) - (last service date) > 2*(service interval) 11:18:35 <fjb> Service intervall by group? 11:19:29 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.12.234] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:20:15 <Eddi|zuHause> or similar calculation if service interval is in reliability, not in month... 11:23:28 <peter1138> suggestion: code it 11:24:25 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 11:24:27 <fjb> Why is the keep train length setting a company setting? 11:27:07 <Yexo> what other kind of setting should it be? 11:27:43 <Eddi|zuHause> a per-group-setting? 11:27:59 <Eddi|zuHause> with a company default? 11:32:22 <Eoin> FORZA DPR 11:33:37 <fjb> Like Eddi|zuHausesaid. You can even set it in the group menu. 11:35:12 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: a1270] 11:36:45 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 11:40:16 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc2cde.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:46:05 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 11:50:15 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:50:49 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 11:53:42 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:95bc:641c:8685:44bd] has joined #openttd 11:53:45 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 11:59:05 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 12:03:12 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3972.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!] 12:04:03 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3972.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:17:33 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@f051089072.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:21:09 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:21:52 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 12:25:03 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e176230139.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:25:03 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 12:41:58 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@92.8.98.253] has joined #openttd 13:01:47 <Belugas> hello 13:06:49 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: bbl] 13:14:51 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc2cde.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:19:42 <fjb> Moin Belugas 13:24:51 * peter1138 wonders if perhaps we need a progress bar on start up 13:25:03 <peter1138> or some way to quickly cache the information that's scanned 13:25:38 <planetmaker> hm? 13:26:20 <peter1138> it's slow 13:26:35 <planetmaker> hm, moderately 13:26:35 <peter1138> at least, until it's all in disk cache 13:27:01 <Eddi|zuHause> it's starting to get _very_ slow 13:27:31 <fjb> It started faster two years ago. 13:27:39 <peter1138> it's fast when it's read them all once already 13:27:44 <peter1138> but first time... urgh 13:28:14 <Ammler> specially if you have the whole bananas content downloaded 13:28:46 <peter1138> 114MB :s 13:28:52 <peter1138> just for content_download/data 13:29:12 <peter1138> clearly i just need faster disks :p 13:29:15 <peter1138> hmm, now 13:29:22 <peter1138> which idiot introduced all this scanning? 13:29:52 <planetmaker> the question is: when do you want to do that? 13:29:58 <planetmaker> you need to do it at one stage 13:30:03 <peter1138> (oh yeah, that was me...) 13:30:04 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has joined #openttd 13:30:34 <peter1138> planetmaker, for instance, my music player doesn't rescan all music files every time it starts up 13:30:35 <planetmaker> but... if you know the base set(s) to use from the cfg, you might do the building of the file list in background even in a separate thread as it's then not time critical 13:30:40 <peter1138> but it doesn't know when things have changed 13:30:41 <planetmaker> but I might then have no idea :-) 13:30:55 <peter1138> planetmaker, yeah, i tried that 13:30:59 <peter1138> planetmaker, it doesn't work 13:31:02 <planetmaker> damn 13:31:05 <peter1138> first, you need to make the fileio system thread-safe 13:31:18 <peter1138> i've done that, but... 13:31:44 <peter1138> some things rely on the way it works currently 13:32:36 <peter1138> (more patches i have laying around ;)) 13:33:39 <planetmaker> :-) 13:34:13 <Eddi|zuHause> <peter1138> but it doesn't know when things have changed <-- store filename, size and modification date in a special cache file, and rescan the file on accessing it? 13:34:44 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C9D7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:35:07 <Eddi|zuHause> that way, you only have to scan the directories on startup, not the files themselves 13:35:15 *** GVV [~sdfkhksd@85.249.0.43] has joined #openttd 13:35:25 <Eddi|zuHause> or only the new files 13:35:45 *** VVG [~sdfkhksd@85.249.0.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:36:09 <Eddi|zuHause> the cache file must be version safe 13:36:43 <Eddi|zuHause> for people who often switch between stable, nightly and branches/patches with a shared home-dir 13:37:15 <peter1138> heh 13:37:27 <peter1138> yes, filename & modification time is probably enough 13:58:59 <Rubidium> XML! 13:59:15 <planetmaker> html 13:59:17 <planetmaker> dgl 13:59:34 <Rubidium> html for data storage? 14:00:02 <Rubidium> no idea what dgl is though 14:00:12 <planetmaker> :-) 14:02:22 *** VVG [~sdfkhksd@85.249.0.43] has joined #openttd 14:03:25 <peter1138> could use sqlite ;p 14:03:57 <Rubidium> nah, better use MSSQL 14:04:04 <peter1138> yeah 14:05:00 <planetmaker> doesn't oracle have another, possibly more expensive one? ;-) 14:06:43 <Rubidium> it has at least two 14:07:42 <planetmaker> mysql and some other 14:07:45 *** GVV [~sdfkhksd@85.249.0.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:08:14 <Ammler> mÀh, annoying vuvuzelas 14:11:02 * peter1138 ponders trying to make another company on openttdcoop public server 14:11:05 * peter1138 mumbles about autoclean 14:12:09 <Ammler> yeah, we set autoclean_unprotected to 1 14:12:41 <Ammler> as they are quite likely missuesed from supid guys 14:12:57 <peter1138> i'm a stupid guY :( 14:13:35 <Ammler> hehe, you said that already 2 times today :-P 14:14:32 <peter1138> did i? 14:14:41 <Ammler> idiot and stupid 14:15:21 <Ammler> but the stupid quys are more those who use the rich unpassworded company to flat the whole map or such things 14:15:25 <Eddi|zuHause> <Ammler> mÀh, annoying vuvuzelas <-- some TV channels tried to filter out the vuvuzela sound 14:15:54 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: SwissTV seems to fail on that :-( 14:16:09 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not really effective 14:16:18 <Rubidium> it's too bad not enough people did tear open their trachea by using it 14:16:22 <peter1138> simple solution is to not watch silly men kicking a ball around 14:16:38 <Rubidium> although... as peter1138 suggested, not watching it is a better solution 14:16:49 <FauxFaux> Women's football, on the other hand. 14:17:00 <Ammler> I don't watch every game, else I would be used to it 14:17:04 <glx> <@peter1138> simple solution is to not watch silly men kicking a ball around <-- especially when they wear a blue shirt 14:17:14 <Eddi|zuHause> women who play football tend to look like men... 14:17:18 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't see the fun there... 14:18:04 <glx> for rugby and handball, women are more violent than men 14:20:20 <peter1138> s/for rugby and handball, // 14:21:03 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: the vuvuzelas stay annoying even after 20 games... 14:21:37 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc2cde.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:22:15 <Eddi|zuHause> so... openttd "needs" a name for almost a month now, why has nobody changed it yet? 14:22:53 <peter1138> it does need a name 14:22:56 <peter1138> it's got one 14:24:04 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 14:24:11 <Eddi|zuHause> but there are these pressing concerns in there! 14:24:32 <peter1138> apparently we should be trying to increase market awareness 14:24:35 <peter1138> i'm not sure why 14:25:02 <orudge> we should call it OpenPeter1138. 14:28:11 <Rubidium> we should call it "move" 14:28:14 <Noldo_> yes! 14:30:34 <Belugas> I wonder what would happen if new name is found. Would everyone will stop playing since it's not a cool name? Will there be no more new patches coming in? 14:34:13 <Belugas> willthe devs be sued over refusal to let users enjoy the game with a name that will appease their brain? 14:34:24 <Belugas> ... 14:34:32 <Belugas> gimme a fucking break... 14:34:48 <planetmaker> please ask your wife for that 14:35:40 <planetmaker> :-P 14:36:12 <Eddi|zuHause> how are people from chile called in english? chilese? chilenes? 14:36:32 <peter1138> chilean 14:39:45 <devilsadvocate> why does openttd need a new name? 14:40:04 <Eddi|zuHause> because it says so in the forum!! 14:40:23 <Belugas> because a dumb head thinks it would be more cool with a more flashing and brilliant name 14:41:37 <Belugas> by theway, scrolling in sourceforge makes me think there are so many un-attractive names there that the whole sourceforge project should die right away 14:47:51 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@88.130.178.210] has joined #openttd 14:52:31 *** aditsu [~aditsu@n1164945218.netvigator.com] has joined #openttd 14:54:22 <Belugas> but Rubidium already said that in the thread 14:54:52 <aditsu> hi, I have 2 train tracks joining into 1, is there a way to make the trains go through faster? stopping and starting takes a long time, and they form long queues 14:55:34 <planetmaker> aditsu: improved track layout design 14:55:59 <planetmaker> check out the PublicServer archive and its game to possibly get ideas for solutions 14:57:29 <peter1138> use two lines :) 14:58:00 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 14:58:09 <aditsu> planetmaker: anything more specific? :p 14:58:57 <planetmaker> aditsu: not really :-) 14:59:02 <planetmaker> It depends on what you want 14:59:20 <planetmaker> if one line shall have priority (e.g. main line), you could just build a priority 14:59:58 <Eddi|zuHause> you can build a line like ~~ to make the trains slow down, if they can't join the line right away 15:00:46 <aditsu> planetmaker: priority? how? 15:01:02 <aditsu> Eddi|zuHause: what do you mean? 15:01:04 <planetmaker> check out the openttdcoop wiki. Possibly also the openttd wiki explains them 15:02:03 <PeterT> aditsu: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/PublicServer:Archive 15:04:58 <aditsu> hmm 15:05:28 <aditsu> anyway, I just had a crash.. 15:06:19 <planetmaker> loaded a savegame from that page? 15:06:34 <planetmaker> which had industrial stations renewal? 15:07:31 <aditsu> planetmaker: no, I have no idea what to look at 15:07:42 <planetmaker> concerning what? 15:08:28 <planetmaker> http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Priority 15:08:51 <aditsu> concerning what game to load 15:08:57 <aditsu> and why 15:09:23 <planetmaker> aditsu: whatever game. They all have different focus. But all will have somewhere solutions to your problem 15:11:36 <planetmaker> aditsu: we have built there many kinds of junctions. And you describe one of the problems usually to be solved in junctions. But each is different 15:11:46 <planetmaker> Try to get some inspiration and then experiment 15:11:48 <VVG> i remember there were one or two tutorial save games with signs explaining what's going on 15:11:57 <VVG> on ottdcoop wiki 15:13:00 <planetmaker> VVG: yeah. I don't know their quality anymore, though ;-) 15:14:41 <Ammler> The quality might be good, just a bit outdated ;-) 15:15:32 <Ammler> but for signals, Uwe's guide is quite nice 15:15:33 <VVG> well, at the time, they did help me to better understand what's going on in actual coop games, enormously 15:15:43 <VVG> Uwe's guide? 15:16:07 <Ammler> don't know the url search for "ttd signals uwe" 15:16:47 <VVG> google? or coop wiki? 15:17:00 <planetmaker> google 15:17:39 <Ammler> http://uwe.s2000.ws/ttdx/signal/index.php?lang=en 15:18:21 <Ammler> 10 Swiss against 11 Chilens is like Swiss against Spain :-( 15:26:14 <Eddi|zuHause> Nkufo is a very swiss sounding name ;) 15:27:23 <Ammler> hehe, he doesn't also look that Swissish 15:28:31 <Eddi|zuHause> it's funny how the swiss team seems to only consist of defenders :p 15:28:52 <Eddi|zuHause> it's like the swiss army :p 15:29:21 <Ammler> well, they had to change the tactic because of the stupid refeerer 15:30:38 <Eddi|zuHause> more funny is that the chileans don't get anywhere through this defense :p 15:30:49 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 15:31:52 <Ammler> the weakest player is the yellow one 15:31:59 <Eddi|zuHause> :) 15:32:10 <Eddi|zuHause> the swiss didn't pay enough :p 15:33:15 <Ammler> :'-( 15:33:28 <Eddi|zuHause> it was bound to happen somewhen... 15:34:38 <Ammler> yeah, well done, now we need play again, can't use the time anymore 15:37:03 *** VVG [~sdfkhksd@85.249.0.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:37:11 *** VVG [~sdfkhksd@85.249.0.43] has joined #openttd 15:38:21 <Ammler> after some video anlysies, the goal was offsite 15:39:03 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, but "video proof" is irrelevant 15:39:31 <Ammler> yeah, sadly, this refeerer teams just fails :-( 15:40:11 <Eddi|zuHause> one really should check this referee's cash flow :p 15:41:08 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc2cde.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:41:38 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:44:32 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: bbl] 15:49:39 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@88.130.153.91] has joined #openttd 15:53:31 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f5212.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:53:50 <fjb> Quak frosch123 15:54:52 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 15:55:59 <planetmaker> quak frosch123 && hello fjb 15:56:14 <fjb> Moin planetmaker 15:56:38 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@88.130.178.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:58:59 <frosch123> hello planetmaker, hello fjb :) 16:01:06 *** aditsu [~aditsu@n1164945218.netvigator.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [SeaMonkey 2.0.5/20100504124411]] 16:06:54 <Belugas> hello to those who attempted the 20000th party, by the way. You lucky <CENSORED> 16:07:22 <frosch123> we did not do so many parties 16:07:46 <frosch123> hello belugas :) 16:08:24 <Belugas> but you met, and that's enough to trigger my jealousy big freaking time ;) 16:08:46 <planetmaker> with good reason :-P 16:18:29 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:20:49 <peter1138> um 16:20:55 <peter1138> i just saw a C5 being driven around town 16:22:36 <Belugas> better than C4 blowing up the town ^_^ 16:23:00 <peter1138> uhhh 16:23:04 <peter1138> yeah 16:23:10 <peter1138> but just as rare 16:23:49 <Belugas> i like This C5 : http://medias.forum-auto.com/uploads/200307/marvin_0506200344_c5_1_1.jpg 16:24:00 <Belugas> but i think it's a bit photoshoped 16:24:03 <Belugas> big time 16:25:35 <peter1138> sinclair c5 16:27:13 <Belugas> ho... NICE! 16:28:22 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.12.234] has joined #openttd 16:33:30 <SpComb> it has a shadow 16:37:55 <Goulp> planetmaker: do you plan to show us a picture of the beautifull r2000 cake ? 16:38:27 <Goulp> oups r20000 ! 16:38:46 <planetmaker> no 16:38:46 <VVG> what coop guys do when they need to rebuild a station which is under heavy use? 16:38:58 <planetmaker> Goulp: I did already :-P 16:39:03 <Yexo> rebuild it bit by bit while it's in use 16:39:10 <Yexo> ^^ one of the most fun parts of playing the gam 16:39:16 <planetmaker> ^^ 16:39:26 <VVG> also probably one of the tedious 16:39:48 <Goulp> i will search elsewhere than where there is the r1000 one 16:40:12 <planetmaker> Goulp: did you look at the r20k topic? 16:40:25 <planetmaker> might be the place to start :-P 16:42:40 <planetmaker> though it's called "r20000 party" or similar 16:43:56 <Goulp> yeap that's it. 16:44:49 <planetmaker> the first more colourful writing kinda baked away into nothingness ;-) 16:47:40 <Goulp> gloups, no Openttd screenshot on it... 16:50:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r20004 /trunk/src/newgrf_text.cpp: -Fix: [NewGRF] stringcodes 82, 83 and 84 weren't properly converted to openttd codes so they didn't work 16:54:31 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8C23.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:02:02 <PeterT> you should post the picture of the cake on openttd.org like with the r10000 17:02:04 <PeterT> cake 17:06:14 <planetmaker> well... the r10k cake was more colourful :-) 17:06:23 <SpComb> maybe they nommed it before anyone managed to take a photo 17:06:52 <Belugas> SpComb, it's on forum :) 17:07:08 <Belugas> PeterT want it on openTTD's site as well 17:07:15 <PeterT> :-) 17:07:37 <SpComb> hmm 17:07:51 <Rubidium> but this pie wasn't a screenshot! 17:08:00 <SpComb> it's a little less colorful 17:08:07 <SpComb> is that raisins and some kind of nuts? :o 17:08:19 <Belugas> almonds, i'd say 17:08:20 <Belugas> miam 17:08:24 <frosch123> almond and honey 17:08:26 <PeterT> pecans? 17:08:39 <frosch123> very delicious 17:08:47 <Belugas> i believe you 17:08:52 <SpComb> just looks a little too brown 17:09:03 <PeterT> racist? 17:09:18 <Belugas> jealous, i'd say :) 17:09:31 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9650.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:12:32 <Rubidium> yeah, and TrueBrain was in a hurry to get it eaten. Even though he already had cake that day... 17:13:04 <TrueBrain> hmmm 17:13:06 <TrueBrain> cake 17:13:47 <Rubidium> hmmm... dinner! 17:15:21 <PeterT> aww, come on planetmaker! the shot of the cake is JPG! :( 17:17:59 <glx> it's not a screenshot 17:18:29 <glx> jpg is not good for screenshots, but it's ok for photos 17:18:47 <PeterT> so can I submit it to info@openttd.org? 17:19:04 <Belugas> and it is shot by a Canon. So it's good for JPG 17:19:07 <Belugas> buwhahahahah 17:19:45 <planetmaker> :-) 17:19:58 <planetmaker> PeterT: why? 17:20:12 <planetmaker> all people who receive info@openttd.org were there anyway :-P 17:20:22 <PeterT> to add to screenshot list at openttd.org 17:20:54 <Yexo> "screenshot list" <- it isn't a screenshot 17:21:08 <planetmaker> :-) 17:21:12 <planetmaker> it's a cake shot :-P 17:22:25 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3972.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:22:55 <andythenorth> evening 17:23:07 <planetmaker> and I'm not particularily proud of that photo either, PeterT 17:23:21 <planetmaker> it's actually very boring and ill-composed 17:23:36 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3EB8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:23:38 <Belugas> hehehe 17:23:59 <PeterT> fine, fine :p 17:25:50 <Belugas> taking shots in a hurry is never a good thing ;) 17:26:37 <Rubidium> he had more than enough time to make photos of it 17:27:33 <Belugas> lol 17:27:41 <Belugas> OK then :) 17:27:45 <Belugas> booo you planetmaker! 17:28:35 <peter1138> urgh, too hot 17:28:44 <peter1138> building fruit cage :s 17:28:50 <planetmaker> he 17:28:57 <peter1138> and i've not got around to building a gate yet 17:29:09 <planetmaker> I was busy with the meat on the BBQ ;-) 17:32:09 <Rubidium> so, the BBQ wasn't started around 1200 UTC :) 17:32:26 <Ammler> [19:23] <planetmaker> it's actually very boring and ill-composed <-- there is a better shot with the cake :-) 17:32:38 <planetmaker> hehe 17:32:52 <Belugas> mmh... it' getting interesting :) 17:32:57 <planetmaker> yes, there is somewhat :-P 17:35:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r20005 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: Enumify force_proceed. 17:36:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r20006 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Fix: Trains should also have running cost while slowing down for stop. 17:37:05 <frosch123> stockpile emptied :) 17:39:50 *** josef_1950 [~josef_195@ip-88-153-162-179.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #openttd 17:39:55 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe32dc00-253.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:40:20 <josef_1950> hallo 17:40:28 <josef_1950> ich bin neu 17:40:42 <PeterT> welkomen 17:40:44 <Yexo> hello josef_1950 17:40:53 <josef_1950> versuche seit paar tagen diese spiel spielen 17:40:58 <Yexo> this channel is (at least most of the time) english only 17:41:17 <PeterT> you've reached the limits of my knowledge of german - can you please switch to english? 17:41:22 <josef_1950> ich schpreche deutsch und polnisch 17:42:14 <josef_1950> gehts das oder nicht? 17:42:35 <josef_1950> am sorry 17:42:57 <Ammler> je parle français un peux 17:43:43 <glx> @topic add English only 17:43:43 *** DorpsGek changed the topic of #openttd to: 1.0.2 | Website: *.openttd.org (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: vcs, release info: finger) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | English only (glx) 17:43:48 <glx> stupid bot 17:43:55 <PeterT> you can disable that 17:43:57 <Ammler> :-) 17:44:11 <josef_1950> gudbay 17:44:12 <glx> @topic set 4 English only 17:44:12 *** DorpsGek changed the topic of #openttd to: 1.0.2 | Website: *.openttd.org (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: vcs, release info: finger) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | English only 17:44:17 *** josef_1950 [~josef_195@ip-88-153-162-179.unitymediagroup.de] has left #openttd [] 17:44:20 <PeterT> glx: do @config supybot.plugins.Topic.format $topic 17:44:43 * glx won't touch the config 17:45:05 <PeterT> trust me. 17:45:06 <PeterT> @config supybot.plugins.Topic.format 17:45:06 <DorpsGek> PeterT: $topic ($nick) 17:45:09 <PeterT> see ^ 17:45:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r20007 /trunk/src/lang/ (korean.txt portuguese.txt unfinished/irish.txt): 17:45:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: irish - 19 changes by tem 17:45:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: korean - 1 changes by junho2813 17:45:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: portuguese - 12 changes by JayCity 17:45:48 <Fast2> josef_1950: Es gibt einen Deutschen Raum im EuIRC-Netzwerk (irc://irc.euirc.de/ottd), aber viel ist da nicht los. 17:46:09 <PeterT> Fast2: too late ;-) 17:46:15 <Fast2> Oh 17:47:03 <Belugas> too slow, Fast2 17:47:14 <PeterT> too slow, Belugas 17:47:42 <Belugas> PeterT, i was joking on the slow, fast ;) 17:47:49 <Belugas> gues i need more coffee, i'm not funny 17:48:10 <PeterT> Belugas: I only got the joke, after I had written my stupid comment 17:48:21 <Belugas> :) 17:49:47 <Rubidium> Belugas: but not more than 4 a day 17:50:57 * Belugas has already exceeded the limit 18:13:38 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host226-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:15:57 <Wolf01> hello 18:16:25 <PeterT> evening, Wolf01 18:18:34 <planetmaker> hm... do I have more randomness available for a railtype tile than the 2 bits of pseudo-randomness? 18:19:43 <Rubidium> maybe the track bits or something? surrounding tile types? 18:20:04 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:20:06 <Rubidium> but those are probably expensive to get and might change over time 18:20:53 <Wolf01> new features? 18:21:18 <planetmaker> The idea I toy around with are some variation on the visible track / the fences 18:21:31 <planetmaker> most should look alike, but some might show a bit different. 18:21:41 <planetmaker> like not a fence, but a low, small hedge instead 18:21:52 <planetmaker> thus 2 bits might be a bit too little. 18:22:04 <planetmaker> and it shouldn't be overly expensive. Rails can be abundant. 18:22:33 <planetmaker> Wolf01: not exactly new 18:22:40 <planetmaker> but not exactly much used so far either 18:23:00 <planetmaker> new only, if you mean something 6 months old is new ;-) 18:23:03 <frosch123> how many pseudorandom bits had the trees? 18:23:43 *** GVV [~sdfkhksd@85.249.0.43] has joined #openttd 18:23:48 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051089072.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Windows shutdown) (*schiel*] 18:24:50 <frosch123> looks like 4 18:26:22 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:29:33 *** VVG [~sdfkhksd@85.249.0.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:29:44 <planetmaker> the question is, can I access some global random numbers? 18:30:14 <planetmaker> like... randomaction2? 18:30:37 <frosch123> "global"? 18:30:37 <planetmaker> s/global// 18:30:43 <frosch123> :p 18:30:44 <planetmaker> :-) 18:30:45 *** Priski [priski@ihq.in] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:31:21 <planetmaker> in the sense that any action2 can access it. I've no idea about their use and when / where they are applicable and allowed 18:31:28 <planetmaker> That's why I'm asking so naively 18:31:46 <frosch123> i do not get it :) 18:31:49 <planetmaker> And I don't know a good example anywhere either 18:32:11 <planetmaker> ok. Aim: 5% of the rail tiles shall show not a fence, but a hedge. 18:32:20 <planetmaker> Are there means to do so? 18:32:32 <Rubidium> tileindex % 20 18:32:38 <planetmaker> :-) 18:33:14 <frosch123> tileindex is not accessible though :) 18:33:35 *** Guest570 is now known as z-MaTRiX 18:33:49 <z-MaTRiX> hi 18:34:07 <andythenorth> planetmaker: if I understand you correctly, the only random you'll get is the map seed - and that only if a kind dev makes it available to you 18:34:13 <frosch123> return GB(tmp, 0, 2); <- planetmaker: increase the two, and figure out how random it stays 18:34:24 <andythenorth> you'll also quickly want grf-local storage :P 18:34:41 <frosch123> it will be likely a bit non-random on small maps 18:35:00 <planetmaker> andythenorth: not sure whether that's sensible for rail tiles... but maybe :-P 18:35:53 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-d2f4e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 18:35:56 *** Priski [priski@ihq.in] has joined #openttd 18:37:45 <planetmaker> hm... actually I got an idea: 18:38:03 <planetmaker> re-randomize and do that three times ;-) 18:38:20 <Zuu> New town window focus fix: fs#3891 18:38:24 <planetmaker> and only if it stays the same all times, something different than default is done ;-) 18:38:38 <planetmaker> @calc 4*4*4 18:38:38 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 64 18:38:43 <planetmaker> good enough ;-) 18:38:51 <frosch123> what? there is no rerandomisation 18:38:57 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 18:39:15 <Yexo> the railtype 'random' bits depend only on the tileindex 18:39:40 <planetmaker> frosch123: http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=RandomAction2 --> random-triggers? 18:39:48 <planetmaker> I guess I don't understand that then 18:40:01 <frosch123> rerandomisation requires storing the bits in the map or some pool 18:40:10 <frosch123> for railtypes there would only be the map 18:40:13 <planetmaker> yep 18:40:19 <frosch123> but map for railtiles is quite troublesome :) 18:40:23 <planetmaker> :-) 18:40:27 <Yexo> planetmaker: see bottom of that page: "Rail tiles have 2 pseudo random bits, based on tile location. There are no triggers." 18:40:35 <planetmaker> doh 18:41:00 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:41:08 <planetmaker> scrolling helps, I guess 18:45:07 <elho> you don't want it random per tile (as in wildly intermixed result for a track) anyway but some continuous function or sth. 18:49:08 <planetmaker> how do you know what I want? ;-) 18:49:28 <planetmaker> but yes, that'd make sense. 18:49:34 <planetmaker> but would be even more expensive 18:49:49 <Rubidium> crystal ball 18:49:52 <frosch123> greycode is quite non-random :) 18:50:10 <planetmaker> 'greycode'? 18:50:50 <frosch123> a sequence of numbers, where adjacent numbers only differ in one bit 18:51:00 <frosch123> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greycode 18:52:11 *** GVV [~sdfkhksd@85.249.0.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:54:52 <elho> planetmaker: i only claimed to know what you do not want. and that one was fairly obvious indeed ;) 18:54:59 *** GVV [~sdfkhksd@85.249.0.43] has joined #openttd 18:55:00 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051089072.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:55:15 <planetmaker> :-) 18:56:19 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 18:56:55 <planetmaker> interesting reading, frosch123 18:57:18 <frosch123> actually i did not know that it had nothing to do with the colour :p 18:58:06 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:16 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has joined #openttd 19:01:14 <planetmaker> :-) 19:04:28 <elho> you could peek into the terrain generator code of the map, the heightmap of a map is a twodimensional continous function, too. so if it is generated directly (instead of iterative random terraforming or sth.), that could serve as inspiration 19:05:34 <andythenorth> xy co-ord is also two-dimensional continuous :P 19:05:37 <andythenorth> try that :) 19:06:49 <andythenorth> planetmaker: TMWFTLB? 19:07:01 <andythenorth> although try telling me that when I have an idea in my head :P 19:07:07 *** GVV [~sdfkhksd@85.249.0.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:07:15 * frosch123 mumbles: if the topology of the image space is the initial topology, every function is continuous 19:08:11 <planetmaker> ^ that needs certainly more than one-time reading before it even starts to make little sense 19:08:37 <planetmaker> but then it somewhat sounds plausible 19:08:59 <planetmaker> but mathematicians like to fool physicists anyway ;-) 19:09:06 <elho> heh 19:09:17 <frosch123> hmm, actually, i messed it up :( 19:09:41 *** VVG [~sdfkhksd@85.249.0.43] has joined #openttd 19:09:43 <planetmaker> see! and I didn't even notice :-P 19:09:53 <planetmaker> guilty! 19:10:20 <planetmaker> andythenorth: yes, TMWFTLG 19:10:31 <planetmaker> other features in SER then first ;-) 19:11:55 * elho goes back to his experimental-physics approach to game mechanics and draws a second tile in its full 16x16 size on graph paper :P 19:16:05 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 19:16:05 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [] 19:18:24 <Zuu> Hmm, I'm almost certain that I have dealt with getting the sign list window to remember the filter string if you close down the window but that is not in the version 35 that is the last one that I've uploaded. 19:18:36 <Zuu> Maybe it sits around on my other computer. 19:19:04 <Zuu> Or I decided that it is not necessary for this window. 19:19:22 <planetmaker> elho: you might just as well draw it digitally ;-) 19:20:34 <elho> i had to draw the lines that the graph papr already has. ;P 19:20:36 * andythenorth ponders writing some code or something 19:20:56 * andythenorth was playing a nice FIRS test game featuring Swedish houses :) 19:21:00 <andythenorth> but it's boring :| 19:21:09 <andythenorth> too many of my industries closed :( 19:21:09 <elho> i actually started out with an ascii art, but paper torks better for scribbling around :) 19:22:22 <elho> andythenorth: that's a feature that could be taken from freeciv - switch to communism and all such nonsense stops ;P 19:23:12 <peter1138> your citizens are revolting! 19:24:16 <elho> thanks to communism putting some armoured vehicles in town shuts them up :P 19:25:07 <Hirundo> The 'armoured vehicles'-approach generally does not need communism to work well 19:26:50 <elho> in the freeciv case it does, iirc the maximum effect they have is 2 higher - or the maximum number that counts is 2 more, or something... been ages i last played that 19:27:56 * planetmaker would like smooth snow transition under rail tiles 19:28:01 <planetmaker> and a pony 19:28:05 <peter1138> and the moon 19:28:06 <peter1138> on a stick 19:28:10 <planetmaker> yup 19:31:12 <elho> how about snow on roads and vehicles leaving tracks behind? :P 19:33:09 * andythenorth once considered registering moononastick.com 19:33:17 <frosch123> someone should really remove all snow bits from the map array. that would make it far easier to add smooth transition for houses and rails 19:33:31 <planetmaker> indeed 19:33:31 <andythenorth> (for potential clients with unrealistic expectations) 19:33:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20008 /trunk/src/lang/unfinished/tamil.txt: -Add: Tamil language stub 19:33:59 <planetmaker> frosch123: in principle they're really not needed IMHO 19:34:11 <planetmaker> it could always be globally calculated from the snow line height 19:34:21 <andythenorth> snow aware roads? 19:34:24 <frosch123> ok, who looks up wiki about tamil first? 19:34:35 <planetmaker> and then a transition region below it 19:34:46 <andythenorth> frosch123 sri lanka / south india 19:34:48 <planetmaker> ^ 19:35:08 <planetmaker> no wiki needed :-) 19:35:19 <frosch123> planetmaker: the tileloop is periodically. you just need an array with 256 items holding the snowline height for tileindex % 256. you can adapt those heights during the tileloop. 19:35:43 <frosch123> the tiles only need to do min(ground density, destination snow density) for drawing 19:36:04 <planetmaker> or like that 19:36:17 <planetmaker> ideally it can be extended to newgrf climates ;-) 19:36:31 <planetmaker> like having a density stored there (2 bits?) 19:36:33 <planetmaker> on the tile 19:36:50 <planetmaker> and allow newgrfs to define the tile types (default = normal, rain forest, desert, snow) 19:37:11 <planetmaker> it'd then even allow for all-climate maps 19:39:33 <frosch123> at least one of us missed the point :) 19:39:41 <planetmaker> :-P 19:40:52 <frosch123> snow does not need map storage, it is a static think from the current snowlineheight with slight noise introduced by bulldozer actions 19:41:44 <planetmaker> yes 19:42:36 <planetmaker> thus that noise is sufficient. 19:45:45 <planetmaker> but shouldn't that allow freeing *some* bits? 19:46:10 *** VVG [~sdfkhksd@85.249.0.43] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:46:21 *** VVG [~sdfkhksd@85.249.0.43] has joined #openttd 19:47:08 <frosch123> not really, but it allows stuff which is currently suppressed while snow is present 19:47:39 <frosch123> like rough/rocks below snow 19:48:15 <Yexo> there are no graphics for that, otherwise that's already possible 19:48:19 <frosch123> or smooth snow transition for bridges, rail/road (well, new rail at least), industries, houses, ... 19:48:43 *** Wizzleby [locke@204-74-213-37.take2hosting.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:48:52 <frosch123> ah, yes, you changed that for clear tiles :) 19:49:35 *** Wizzleby [locke@204-74-213-37.take2hosting.com] has joined #openttd 19:49:42 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-165-17.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:50:35 <planetmaker> the normal ground tile lists bare land and /snow as separate tile types 19:50:51 <planetmaker> a distinction which could be dropped, if snow just depends upon snow line height 19:52:02 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-44-89.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 19:52:05 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 19:52:35 *** Wizzleby [locke@204-74-213-37.take2hosting.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:52:51 *** Wizzleby [locke@204-74-213-37.take2hosting.com] has joined #openttd 19:59:30 * andythenorth shudders at the thought of smooth snow for industries 20:03:31 *** __ln__Berlin [~lauri@p5DDC4BC9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:07:40 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-5d8235bf.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:08:27 <PeterT> hai __ln__Berlin 20:12:06 <andythenorth> so how do I do parameters anyway? 20:14:49 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.24.198] has joined #openttd 20:17:06 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-40-232.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:37:01 <frosch123> "MiniIN is now available on a three-times weekly multi-platform build." 20:41:22 <glx> someone resurrected it? 20:41:57 <frosch123> someone digged it, and i took a look at the first post :) 20:43:59 <frosch123> night 20:44:05 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f5212.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:50:04 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 20:52:51 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:52:58 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 20:53:01 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 20:57:04 <Belugas> byer 20:57:37 <PeterT> bye bye Belugas 20:58:17 *** DDR_ [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 20:59:54 *** __ln__Berlin [~lauri@p5DDC4BC9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: berlin out] 21:03:47 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:03:57 *** DDR_ is now known as DDR 21:10:55 <Zuu> Hmm, sorting of sign list is not stable (in trunk) 21:11:43 <Zuu> Why has no cooper found this? :-p 21:13:56 <Zuu> okay, it is probably much easier to find out when you have the ability to highlight a specific sign, but even in case of multiple companies it is fairly noticable. 21:14:20 <Ammler> Zuu: define "stable" ;-) 21:14:21 <Zuu> "fairly" as in reproduceable if you want to do it. :-p 21:14:40 <Zuu> "stable" as in that they maintains their relative order. 21:14:41 <Ammler> it works quite well for what I used 21:15:15 <Zuu> Two signs having the same name should imho keep their relative order if a new sign is added. 21:16:49 <Zuu> Also closing + opening the sign list window will probably randomize the order of equally named signs in trunk. 21:17:31 <Zuu> Though that is possible more of a academic problem. 21:21:43 <Zuu> The unstableness of the sign orders could become an issue if/when the sign list patch gets merged. 21:34:59 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 21:45:34 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-5d8235bf.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: gn8] 21:49:14 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.12.234] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:06:00 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 22:09:02 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [] 22:09:43 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-207-152.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 22:19:08 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C9D7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:19:08 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:19:59 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:22:38 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Wibbly Wobbly IRC] 22:27:52 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-207-152.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:30:45 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-d2f4e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:37:03 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 22:37:47 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 22:49:05 <fjb> Hm, how Du I replace an ai by another one? Wait till one gets banrupt and then use start_ai with the other ai? 22:49:40 <Yexo> you can use stop_ai <company_number> to remove an ai company from the game 22:49:59 <glx> then start_ai <ai_name> 22:52:05 <fjb> It will be bankrupt soon. I think I let it die in peace. :-) 22:55:05 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9650.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... Der, der blÀht, als hinterster geht!] 22:59:17 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.24.198] has left #openttd [] 23:00:21 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:01:40 <fjb> Now the question is which AI to chose. Admiral_AI anoys me with the unconnectable stations. :-) 23:01:42 *** jpx [jpx_@a91-156-254-168.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 23:05:18 *** nickevasion [~thomas@adsl-070-145-036-129.sip.aby.bellsouth.net] has joined #openttd 23:05:35 <Wolf01> 'night 23:05:46 <PeterT> night! 23:05:48 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host226-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:08:22 *** jpx_ [jpx_@a91-156-254-168.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:09:45 *** jpx [jpx_@a91-156-254-168.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:11:17 <fjb> Do the company numbers start at 0 or 1? 23:11:35 <PeterT> 1 23:12:33 <fjb> Good to know. 23:26:34 <Eddi|zuHause> [21.06.2010 21:34] <frosch123> ok, who looks up wiki about tamil first? <-- tamiles are a minority people in sri lanka. why would you need wikipedia for that? 23:27:36 <Eddi|zuHause> the "tamil tigers" were in the news fairly recently, because they ended a decade-long civil war there 23:29:05 *** ajmiles2 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:33:54 <Eddi|zuHause> "i'm on a seaweed diet." 23:34:03 <Eddi|zuHause> "i seaweed and i smoke it" 23:34:22 <fjb> Who reads the news? They are always bad. 23:34:48 <glx> no they are fun when french team is implied ;) 23:35:02 <Eddi|zuHause> haha :p 23:35:22 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:40:27 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.250.146] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 23:41:38 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 23:51:07 *** welshdragon [~dragon@ip05.rdlbnc.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:56:09 *** welshdragon [~dragon@ip05.rdlbnc.com] has joined #openttd