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10:00:18 <beyre83> says this content is unknown and cant be downloaded in ottd 10:00:23 <beyre83> yes its a public server 10:00:28 <Ammler> which? 10:00:56 <beyre83> openttd.jens1.no 10:02:59 <beyre83> http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj134/beneyre/ottderror.png 10:04:31 <Ammler> downloading old FISH works here 10:04:33 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:04:33 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 10:04:43 <beyre83> mmm look at the screenshot 10:04:45 <beyre83> Ammler: 10:05:15 <beyre83> it wont let me turn the redlight to a greenlight to download 10:05:21 <Ammler> beyre83: are you able to downloaded something in general? 10:05:21 <beyre83> as you can see in the screenshot 10:05:30 <beyre83> i downloaded all the other content 10:05:31 <beyre83> yes 10:08:10 <beyre83> it just seems to not let me download thoes 3 things 10:08:10 <beyre83> for some reason 10:08:56 <beyre83> ill restart ottd 10:09:00 <beyre83> seems a Restart 10:09:06 <beyre83> allows me to tick the content to download 10:09:16 <Rubidium> the only reason I can think of is that it failed to connect to the content server 10:09:28 <beyre83> well i was on a server then left 10:09:31 <Rubidium> in which case it should give an error after a minute or so 10:09:33 <beyre83> then tryed to join that one 10:09:38 <beyre83> and it would not let me click it 10:09:43 <beyre83> just said not availibull 10:09:48 <beyre83> restart ottd 10:09:54 <beyre83> and i can now click the grfs to download 10:10:34 <beyre83> now downloaded 10:10:35 <dihedral> or it's a grf merely claiming to be FISH 0.6.1 10:10:54 <beyre83> well a restart fixed the issue 10:10:57 <Rubidium> nah, it works (tm) for me 10:11:05 <beyre83> Rubidium: it worked for me 10:11:06 <dihedral> :-P 10:11:09 <beyre83> after restarting ottd 10:11:14 <dihedral> that is odd 10:11:20 <beyre83> wouldnt not let me tick it befor restarting 10:11:26 <beyre83> was Redlighit 10:11:31 <beyre83> redlight* 10:11:32 <Rubidium> dihedral: no, as I said it likely failed to connect to the content server 10:11:35 <beyre83> as per http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj134/beneyre/ottderror.png 10:11:49 <beyre83> there is no issue with my connection 10:11:54 <Rubidium> and as long as it doesn't know the content server has it, it will be in that state where it says that it can't download it from the content server 10:11:55 <dihedral> Rubidium, and it does not try to reconnect? 10:12:20 <beyre83> well there was no issue with my connection tho 10:12:20 <Rubidium> dihedral: no, but that's not really the point here 10:12:23 <beyre83> to the internet 10:12:26 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4db8162b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:12:53 <Rubidium> if it fails to connect it is only known when the OS tells OpenTTD that, which can take a hell of a lot of time (minute or more) 10:13:08 <beyre83> the point is i found this issue, after i quit a multiplayer 10:13:14 <beyre83> and tryed to join a new map 10:13:18 <beyre83> it gave that error 10:13:29 <beyre83> there was no issue at all with my dsl connection to the internet 10:13:57 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:14:40 <dihedral> Rubidium, is that information then in turn displayed to the user? 10:14:51 <Rubidium> dihedral: yes 10:14:55 <dihedral> ah :-P 10:14:57 <dihedral> well then 10:15:03 <Rubidium> but as I said, that can take a minute (or more) 10:15:14 <beyre83> i was waiting over a minuit 10:15:28 <beyre83> and that was the screenshot befor i restarted ottd 10:15:28 <Rubidium> especially if the connection was already established and the request has been sent 10:15:32 <beyre83> so thats not the issue 10:16:38 <Rubidium> beyre83: you can't say for certain that your connection to the content server went without a problem; there's too many chains in the internet that can make it break while lots of other internet related stuff still works 10:23:36 *** avdg1 [~Adium@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:26:13 *** avdg [~Adium@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:27:48 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:33:38 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:33:38 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:33:42 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 10:41:06 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 10:42:40 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 10:46:26 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:59:28 <beyre83> mmm Rubidium you everheard of Draytek routers? 10:59:41 <beyre83> there bussiness class routers 11:00:12 <Rubidium> ever heard of Cisco routers? 11:00:53 <Rubidium> but yes, I've heard of draytek (actually used them for a while) 11:03:51 <Rubidium> in any case, what does business class router have to do with the connection problem? 11:04:34 <dihedral> beyre83, some people think wireless networks are stable too :-P 11:05:27 *** X-2 [~X-2@a83-163-133-37.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:13:42 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 11:16:32 <beyre83> well i use cable :) 11:16:39 <beyre83> cat6 11:16:41 <beyre83> :) 11:17:07 <beyre83> well the better the router the more stable your connection is 11:17:27 <Rubidium> so with a Cisco router your connection is flawless? 11:17:55 <beyre83> did i say that 11:18:02 <beyre83> but theres less chances of it droping 11:18:04 <Rubidium> no, but you make it sound like it 11:18:22 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75EC9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:18:22 <beyre83> the better the router the more stable your connection is 11:18:27 <beyre83> due it not crashing etc 11:18:31 <beyre83> to* 11:19:30 <beyre83> my connetion hasnt droped for 6days 11:19:37 <beyre83> since i restarted the router 11:19:53 * planetmaker yawns 11:19:53 *** LunarWolf [~LunarWolf@acvs85.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 11:20:28 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B73E36.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:20:59 <Rubidium> on which of the 7 levels of connection wasn't it dropped? 11:21:33 <beyre83> all it tells me is Wan uptime 6days 11:21:38 <beyre83> meaning internet access 11:22:08 <Rubidium> e.g. I could put my laptop (turned on) in my bag, go into the elevator, cycle home and when I opened it my ssh connection was still there 11:22:13 * planetmaker guesses layer 8 11:22:19 <dihedral> network_client.cpp:275 DEF_CLIENT_SEND_COMMAND_PARAM(PACKET_CLIENT_CHAT)(NetworkAction action, DestType type, int dest, const char *msg, int64 data) 11:22:25 <beyre83> well i am not on about network card 11:22:29 <beyre83> i am on about WAN UPTIME 11:22:29 <dihedral> is there a reason for that being int dest and not ClientID ? 11:22:33 <beyre83> on the router 11:22:44 <Rubidium> given that the distance was more than 1 kilometer, I doubt that I kept connected to the same wireless access point 11:22:50 <Rubidium> but my connection was still up 11:22:55 <dihedral> beyre83, that is very isp dependent 11:22:57 <beyre83> Rubidium: NOT LAN 11:22:58 <beyre83> WAN 11:23:54 <dihedral> Rubidium, would it be worth canging "int dest" to "ClientID dest"? 11:24:01 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:24:07 <dihedral> oh - forget it 11:25:39 <LunarWolf> I did a test model for OpenTTD, but the board did not see even though it is imposed correctly: / 11:26:40 <Rubidium> beyre83: the SSH connection was to somewhere 150 kilometer away 11:27:07 <Rubidium> even so, I usually stay connected to my server (again 150 kilometer away) for weeks at a time 11:27:43 <dihedral> that is very odd, Rubidium, i'd thought some routers in between would not be able to handle WAN uptime like that very well :-P 11:27:55 <Rubidium> and the last time I had problems with a connection it was due to a broken Cisco router 11:27:59 <dihedral> and i am talking about WAN here 11:28:44 <LunarWolf> someone has prepared the scene with lights to OpenTTD, because the wiki is something wrong I wanted to 3dsmax 11:28:46 <Rubidium> although... maybe the routers OpenTTD's main server connects to aren't seen as WAN routers. After all, they server is in the same building as the router 11:29:52 <LunarWolf> pops up some warning when opening, something about the lights on 11:30:01 <dihedral> hehe 11:30:13 <dihedral> Rubidium, perhaps they are connected via wireless lan :-P 11:30:32 <dihedral> would save a lot of money, for not needing all those cables in the DC 11:31:08 <Rubidium> and IIRC the routers that (broken) router connects to are in a fairly close building, so... that's probably not WAN either 11:31:50 <dihedral> nah - does not count 11:31:58 <Rubidium> why? 11:31:59 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:32:04 <dihedral> too close to be WAN 11:32:11 <dihedral> :-P 11:32:17 <Rubidium> that's what I said 11:32:28 <LunarWolf> OMG what is this 3dsmax crudely felled 11:32:48 <LunarWolf> there's nothing like Maya 2011: P 11:33:00 <LunarWolf> :P 11:34:39 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:35:12 <LunarWolf> I tried this set up, the scene in maya 2011, I tried this set up, the scene in maya 2011 11:36:03 <LunarWolf> as I can throw it to your forum 11:36:49 <LunarWolf> sry offtop - lag 11:38:08 <LunarWolf> Damn KIS 2011, who did such a shoddy program to protect 11:42:54 <peter1138> ... 11:44:37 <dihedral> Rubidium, how about i show you a first patch today? 11:45:05 <LunarWolf> and the updates are so sick and long from that time you can catch the virus, well I have only a test version, because I would not give a penny for a scrap 11:58:13 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> venus.oftc.net quits: +michi_cc, OwenS, jonty-comp, Vadtec 11:58:20 *** Netsplit over, joins: OwenS 11:59:12 *** Netsplit over, joins: michi_cc 11:59:12 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 12:00:35 *** Vadtec [~Vadtec@i.am.vadtec.net] has joined #openttd 12:03:14 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@borealis.jontysewell.net] has joined #openttd 12:07:33 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF88B9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:10:14 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4db8162b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:12:39 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.181.96] has joined #openttd 12:14:59 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:19:31 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.176.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:20:34 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:22:12 *** SineDeviance [~SineDevia@cpe-069-132-053-231.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 12:22:52 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:ec43:3259:fd6d:45c1] has joined #openttd 12:22:55 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:22:56 *** X-2 [~X-2@a83-163-133-37.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:24:52 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice1n2.emea.ibm.com] has joined #openttd 12:24:58 <norbert79> Good day 12:29:37 *** Nite [5472b1fc@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 12:29:47 *** LunarWolf [~LunarWolf@acvs85.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 12:29:50 <Nite> Hi! 12:40:36 *** michi_cc [michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has left #openttd [Und weg...] 12:40:39 *** michi_cc [michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 12:40:43 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 12:46:54 <norbert79> Hi Nite 12:49:40 *** SineDeviance [~SineDevia@cpe-069-132-053-231.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:56:11 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 13:03:19 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.87.89] has joined #openttd 13:13:02 *** Nite [5472b1fc@ircip1.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 13:14:58 <avdg1> hmm⊠openttd.org down? 13:15:07 *** avdg1 is now known as avdg 13:15:57 <glx> works for me (with www) 13:16:22 <Rubidium> it smells of a DOS attack or something 13:16:49 <avdg> well, I had a lot of 500 errors while editing the wiki 13:17:25 <Rubidium> quite possible 13:17:41 <Rubidium> for some reason the webserver can't open more files or something 13:17:51 <Rubidium> and there are almost 2000 connections 13:18:03 <avdg> whoops 13:18:08 <avdg> thats a lot 13:18:25 <Rubidium> from ~400 different locations 13:18:38 <glx> that's too much, or we have many people wanting 1.0.4 at the same time :) 13:19:28 <Rubidium> bandwidth usage is ~10 times larger than average daily max (excluding the spike from pushing to the mirrors) 13:19:46 <planetmaker> :-O 13:20:05 <Eddi|zuHause> did we get slashdotted or something? 13:20:09 * planetmaker wonders why one would DDOS openttd.org 13:20:18 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4db8162b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:20:37 <avdg> hmm.. I was checking my taskmanager, only downloaded 64 mb 13:21:16 <planetmaker> avdg: one person doesn't make a notable influence, I guess ;-) 13:21:39 <avdg> well 2000 files open from 400 locations isn't logic if they all want the 1.0.4 binaries 13:21:55 <avdg> pm maybe, maybe :p 13:23:15 <Belugas> hello 13:23:20 <avdg> hi 13:23:28 <planetmaker> hello Belugas 13:24:35 <Rubidium> oh, OpenTTD's on reddit 13:26:45 <avdg> is the load reduced yet? 13:27:45 <Rubidium> not significantly 13:29:34 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.130.59] has joined #openttd 13:32:56 *** Joni_ is now known as Joni- 13:32:58 *** Nite [5472b1fc@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 13:33:39 <TrueBrain> hurray, finally reached the limits of nginx within this setup :) 13:33:40 <TrueBrain> time to tune ... 13:34:03 <avdg> what limit? :p 13:35:00 <Rubidium> concurrent connections and such 13:36:08 <TrueBrain> every system has a max of file descriptors 13:36:12 <TrueBrain> it managed to reach that :p 13:36:49 <planetmaker> ups... 13:37:07 *** Sacro [~Sacro@77.86.81.193] has joined #openttd 13:39:01 <dihedral> OpenTTD is not very familiar with the term 'week' .... 13:39:10 <dihedral> it knows of years, months, and days..... 13:39:43 <Rubidium> yay for 25 MiB of error log a minute 13:39:52 <dihedral> :-P 13:40:10 <planetmaker> :-P 13:40:30 <Nite> ... mabee its time for asking to get welcome on the welcome coop server again ;) ... 13:40:34 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4db8162b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:41:12 <TrueBrain> right ... this is about as far as Django can go :D 13:41:26 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.188.54] has joined #openttd 13:47:02 *** SineDeviance [~SineDevia@cpe-069-132-053-231.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 13:47:30 *** robotx [~robotx@141-70-75-133.user.wh-stuttgart.de] has joined #openttd 13:47:43 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.181.96] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:47:51 <dihedral> how would i introduce a weekly loop in openttd? 13:48:05 <dihedral> (without using _cur_days % 7 13:48:17 <dihedral> _cur_day 13:48:47 <avdg> can that work actually? 13:49:21 <dihedral> it would not be very precise 13:50:36 <avdg> -_- that serverproblem is annoying 13:51:17 <Rubidium> no kiddin' 13:53:11 <norbert79> Ehm, what if it's just slashdotted? 1.0.4 is very fresh 13:53:22 <norbert79> I also have updated all my binaries 13:54:17 <norbert79> Oh, website is almost working well again 13:54:54 <avdg> well, its still broken 13:55:21 <planetmaker> what is wrong with current day, dihedral ? 13:55:30 <planetmaker> (assuming that it is 0-based) 13:55:42 <planetmaker> and not reset yearly 13:56:46 *** wollollo [~martin@host86-175-29-208.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:56:56 <dihedral> i was under the impression current day was reset monthly 13:56:57 <norbert79> avdg: I see... It also riddles me why anyone would like to harm the site. Maybe someone is jelous? :) 13:57:14 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 13:58:13 <Rubidium> norbert79: it's "free" advertisement gone wrong 13:58:41 <avdg> :p 13:59:15 <norbert79> Rubidium: Doubt so, re-reading the logs from this chat... Having tousands of Wiki edit requests within minutes is just not like having advertised for free beers :) 13:59:54 <Rubidium> it's about the *whole* website, not just wiki.openttd.org 14:00:27 <Rubidium> they're hitting www.openttd.org at such a speed that something can't handle it and starts to spread disaster all around 14:00:43 <glx> opendune.org is a victim too :) 14:01:07 <avdg> *clickme* :p 14:01:23 <TrueBrain> right ... added a few more django instances to increase performance, increased allowed connections with factor 10, and boosted a few other things (started to use threading for primary httpd, normally this is absolutely not needed) 14:01:34 <norbert79> glx: Hah, I didn't it exists too... Now I want to see it, but the website is down... Damn :) 14:01:35 <TrueBrain> the only one acting up atm is tracd, which can't handle the load to 'readme.txt' 14:02:14 <TrueBrain> approaching 1500 open connections 14:02:20 <avdg> :p 14:02:45 <planetmaker> :-O 14:02:52 <avdg> <3 selfadvertension 14:03:44 <norbert79> ok, have to go, later guys! 14:03:45 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice1n2.emea.ibm.com] has left #openttd [] 14:04:11 <TrueBrain> roughly 10k hits per minute 14:05:55 <Eddi|zuHause> we should start charging money ;) 14:07:45 <Rubidium> you mean do one of those fundraisers? 14:09:08 <TrueBrain> right ... 10k connections per minute, and we use 30 MiB RAM on the primary httpd :D 14:10:14 * Rubidium wonders if orudge would fancy a fundraiser when that many people are hitting openttd.org :) 14:10:56 <fonsinchen> where are all those hits coming from? 14:12:20 <TrueBrain> reddit 14:16:08 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:16:11 *** thvdburgt [~thvdburgt@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 14:17:42 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 14:17:44 <planetmaker> Rubidium: why not? 14:18:33 <Rubidium> because he's going to get a load of paypal transactions 14:19:00 * TrueBrain is happy his own written balancer is still up and serving :D 14:19:12 <planetmaker> Rubidium: would that hurt? 14:19:28 <planetmaker> it's incoming money after all 14:25:37 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4db8162b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:26:23 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 14:34:00 <TrueBrain> about 20 downloads per minute .. right ... 14:37:17 <avdg> :p 14:37:49 <Terkhen> wow 14:38:10 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 14:38:14 *** thvdburgt [~thvdburgt@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:38:44 <TrueBrain> 44k referrers from reddit :p 14:39:02 <avdg> wtf 14:39:26 * avdg doesn't know anything about reddit 14:39:39 <Ammler> I know nobody using reddit :-) 14:39:58 <Ammler> TB, where are those from? 14:40:21 <Terkhen> there is a similar page in spanish, it also tends to collapse webs 14:40:35 <Terkhen> or tries to :P 14:41:14 <avdg> hmm.. reddit == spam or reddit == a lot of users? (believes in option 1) 14:41:54 <TrueBrain> Ammler: from reddit, that I just said ... 14:42:00 <Terkhen> the second option, but the results are the same in both options 14:42:02 <TrueBrain> avdg: lot of easy-click users 14:42:15 <TrueBrain> Terkhen: with the minor difference these users actual download the game :p 14:42:26 <Terkhen> :) 14:42:36 <Ammler> TrueBrain: I meant, where are the users from, is that a global thing? 14:42:54 <TrueBrain> no clue 14:43:01 <Terkhen> should we get prepared for an increased amount of newbie questions? :P 14:43:07 <TrueBrain> Terkhen: hell yeah 14:43:15 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@adsl-77-86-111-106.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:43:24 <TrueBrain> I am really surprised how easy it was to get this stable again ... 14:44:16 <Terkhen> "I'd point you to the wiki, but you reddit guys nearly broke it and we don't want you playing with it again" 14:44:17 <TrueBrain> 20 mbit/s ... right ... 14:47:29 *** Sacro [~Sacro@77.86.81.193] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:54:24 *** perk111 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 14:54:25 <planetmaker> Nice :-) 14:54:26 *** thomas001 [~thomas@userv1.informatik.uni-leipzig.de] has joined #openttd 14:56:25 <thomas001> hi, i my trains tend to leave their predefined route and go to some side track to a depot. or they go to a depot past a waypoint on their route just to go to that waypoint (again) after having visited the depot. what can i do to stop trains visiting depots as they like? 14:56:33 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:57:49 <robotboy> thomas001, use goto depot orders 14:58:02 <Eddi|zuHause> put "service at depot" [goto->ctrl+click] orders in your train's schedule 14:58:24 <thomas001> then the train will visit that depot every time? 14:58:27 <Eddi|zuHause> then they won't ever gp to any other depots anymore 14:58:36 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has joined #openttd 14:58:47 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:58:50 <Eddi|zuHause> thomas001: no, with "service" instead of "go to", it will skip it when not needed 14:58:58 <thomas001> ah,nice 14:59:00 <thomas001> thanks :) 14:59:26 <TrueBrain> our load is just 0.5 ... lol :D 14:59:30 <TrueBrain> I WANT MORE HITS! :D 14:59:47 <Eddi|zuHause> you can also use conditional orders, e.g. if you need additional waypoints to find the depot 15:00:38 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:00:38 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 15:02:24 <TrueBrain> 99% of our traffic is http :D 15:03:16 <thomas001> what does [at the end] mean in the schedule? 15:03:57 <Terkhen> thomas001: if the train will stop at the end, at the middle or at the beginning of the station platform 15:04:15 <thomas001> why is that important? 15:04:28 <Terkhen> mostly eyecandy 15:05:38 <avdg> just play with it 15:05:43 <avdg> kinda fun 15:07:20 <__ln__> http://www.flightforum.fi/forum/index.php?FFSESS=imhhpc0nrgf4a8bln8olepj0j0&action=dlattach;topic=95859.0;id=269872;image 15:09:00 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ti112220a080-0088.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 15:10:00 <orudge> Rubidium: you can do a fundraiser if you want, we still have a bit of money in the bank though as it is :p 15:10:03 <orudge> O 15:10:13 <orudge> I'd rather try to spend what we already have first, we've got at least another year's hosting or so ;) 15:17:15 <dihedral> yikes 15:19:02 <Eddi|zuHause> if you have too much money, start paying people that work on it ;) 15:20:04 <Ammler> 1$/commit :-) 15:20:52 <dihedral> nah - that's horrible 15:21:15 <dihedral> could see certain forum posts coming: i wrote that patch, i want my share... :-P 15:21:46 <Ammler> :-D 15:22:05 <Eddi|zuHause> 1$/commited line to the patch author 15:22:21 <dihedral> hehe 15:22:32 <avdg> :p patch/revert/patch/revert 15:22:43 <Terkhen> a lot of single line documentation patches 15:23:06 <Ammler> well, or donate it to WWF in the name of the committer 15:23:34 <dihedral> my latest patch has 640 lines - so far :-P 15:24:04 <dihedral> 640 lines starting with a + that is 15:24:06 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ti112220a080-0088.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:24:39 <avdg> :p also tags would be funny (giant copy) 15:32:44 <TrueBrain> well, at least I know I will get the most money 15:32:46 <TrueBrain> so I don't care 15:32:50 <TrueBrain> good idea Eddi|zuHause, lets do that! 15:32:52 <TrueBrain> :p 15:38:40 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.184.216] has joined #openttd 15:43:20 <beyre83> mmmmm (still getting delinks) 15:43:25 <beyre83> every 5minuits 15:43:27 <beyre83> if i am lucky 15:43:31 <beyre83> on maxnet 15:43:45 <dihedral> delinks? 15:44:02 <beyre83> yea "connection lost" 15:44:05 <beyre83> and its not my inet 15:44:11 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.188.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:44:12 <dihedral> are you on a wireless connection by any chance? 15:44:17 <beyre83> i have to refresh after about 5mins i can reconnect 15:44:20 <beyre83> no cable 15:44:22 <beyre83> eth 15:44:41 <dihedral> how do you want to know it's not your internet connection 15:44:44 <beyre83> if i get disconnected from that server 15:44:50 <dihedral> it's sure not anything openttd can do 15:44:57 <beyre83> i can see another one imediately 15:45:03 <beyre83> just not that server 15:45:10 <beyre83> has to wait 15:45:35 <glx> weird modem maybe 15:45:43 <dihedral> or isp 15:45:44 <beyre83> well its not my end 15:45:51 <beyre83> it seems to be there server prehaps 15:45:53 <beyre83> i dunno 15:45:59 <beyre83> because if i get disconnected 15:46:05 <beyre83> i can join any other imediately 15:46:07 <beyre83> just not that one 15:46:22 <dihedral> ... 15:46:46 <dihedral> beyre83, then i suggest you try another server, if it happens there again, it's highly unlikely its the servers fault 15:47:04 <dihedral> unless of course you are sending malicious packets and killing the server 15:47:12 *** robotx [~robotx@141-70-75-133.user.wh-stuttgart.de] has left #openttd [Verlassend] 15:47:49 <beyre83> i am playing a game 15:47:57 <beyre83> i dont wanna have to start again 15:47:58 <beyre83> :s 15:48:15 <dihedral> you want to find out what the issue is or just moan about? 15:48:43 <Eddi|zuHause> could be a serverside ip-blacklist hitting you 15:48:52 <beyre83> doubtfull 15:48:55 <beyre83> as its fine now 15:49:00 <beyre83> and was fine when i first connected 15:49:40 <dihedral> then there is nothing this channel can do in order to fix the network issues you are experiencing on your end of the WAN :-D 15:50:05 <dihedral> talk to your isp, perhaps they are doing something 15:52:15 * Rubidium wonders whether beyre83 has a clue how networks actually work 15:52:39 <Rubidium> especially the internet 15:52:54 <Nite> internetwork ... 15:53:05 <dihedral> WAN! 15:53:15 <Eddi|zuHause> the internets are a series of tubes! 15:53:17 <dihedral> "Rinder WAN" 15:53:47 <Rubidium> dihedral: no, that's a Wireless Area Network 15:53:53 <Nite> *lo* @ R-wan 15:54:01 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n12.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:54:52 <Nite> actually wide area network ... 15:55:22 <Rubidium> what is wide? 15:55:37 <dihedral> and LAN stands for Lunar Area Network? :-P 15:55:38 <Rubidium> because it was claimed today that 150 km was still a LAN 15:56:33 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd define it over the number of hops in the physical layer... 15:56:36 <Nite> ok its also wireless ... but wlan is more clear ... 15:56:41 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n12.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 15:56:49 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:56:58 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 15:57:15 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: *cough* 15:57:29 * dihedral jumps 15:57:58 <__ln__> how does the american with a dutch name define it? 15:58:16 <Rubidium> so one could argue that the connection NASA - Voyager 1 is a LAN; there is no hop in the physical layer 15:58:46 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: so? :) 15:59:42 <Nite> serious as always ... 16:00:19 <Rubidium> that makes a LAN OpenTTD game somewhat laggy I'd guess 16:00:46 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: so? :) 16:01:01 <Rubidium> it's time for dinner! 16:01:49 <Nite> hmm; lan wan ban - unban ... ;) 16:02:01 <dihedral> urban 16:02:13 <avdg> *an urban 16:02:14 <Nite> urban ban 16:02:22 <dihedral> urban turban 16:02:31 <Nite> you are ban ! 16:02:51 <Nite> urbaned 16:03:43 *** Biolunar [Mahdi@blfd-5d8204d6.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:04:27 <Eddi|zuHause> u r banned? 16:04:41 <Nite> aha 16:05:04 <Eddi|zuHause> [not entirely sure what that means :p] 16:06:14 <Nite> strangely sometimes wehn i try to join it just tells me connection lost sometimes banned ... 16:07:38 * planetmaker wonders ... how shall I forget or assume it will be not annoying when someone constantly goes around like 'unban, unban, unban me...' 16:07:55 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: defining it on the IP layer might also be useful... but that kinda limits the usage of protocols... 16:09:22 <Nite> well planetmaker, what else would someone do who is b****d ... and dont wants to be 16:11:56 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-eff6e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 16:12:24 <Eddi|zuHause> they have pills for that... 16:13:02 <Nite> for what? 16:13:17 <Eddi|zuHause> everything 16:14:07 <planetmaker> Nite: whatabout having some patience, letting the matter rest, possibly enjoying the last nice autumn days and coming back later? 16:14:11 <Nite> like for quit smoking ... 16:14:23 <planetmaker> later as in... next month? 16:14:27 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: autumn hasn't even started 16:14:45 <planetmaker> astronomically. meteorologically yes 16:15:37 <planetmaker> meteorologists start their seasons by the 1st of the months 16:15:54 <Nite> *lo* 16:16:07 <Eddi|zuHause> silly people... 16:16:26 <Eddi|zuHause> one would think that meteorologists base their stuff on the weather patterns... 16:16:42 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: yes. But that way it's way easier to average 16:16:49 <planetmaker> or gather statistics 16:16:54 <planetmaker> when you can sum just a month 16:17:26 <planetmaker> it's more practical this way than waiting for the sun to cross an invisible plane 16:17:39 <Eddi|zuHause> but that means the meteorological summer is 2 days shorter than the astronomical one 16:17:52 <planetmaker> does it? 16:17:52 <Nite> and does it mather? 16:18:31 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, 21st june to 23rd september 16:18:49 <Eddi|zuHause> vs. 1st june to 1st september 16:19:02 <planetmaker> right :-) 16:19:09 <planetmaker> we're tricked! 16:19:52 <Nite> well at least no i know exactly ... ;p 16:20:00 <Nite> w 16:21:48 <Eddi|zuHause> "this content was voted to be potentially insulting or inappropriate"... 16:22:01 <planetmaker> yeah, sure :-P 16:22:15 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQJ8woJm08c 16:23:03 *** SineDeviance [~SineDevia@cpe-069-132-053-231.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:34:25 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-123-30.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:36:18 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5adc9b64.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:38:26 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:38:26 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:38:30 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 16:41:04 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 16:41:40 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.130.59] has quit [Quit: more listen, more understand, more know] 16:42:09 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5099.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:44:13 <Nite> actually this burning test is not complete without the sanskrit ... 16:48:06 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.130.59] has joined #openttd 16:49:33 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.154.198] has joined #openttd 16:50:25 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:50:26 *** Gremnon [~liam@87.115.126.183] has joined #openttd 16:52:47 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4db8162b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:54:05 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.184.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:59:03 <dihedral> is there a better way than _company_pool[company_id] to get company from CompanyID? 17:00:03 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:00:12 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:00:55 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7c89.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:01:36 *** Gremnon [~liam@87.115.126.183] has left #openttd [] 17:02:44 <Hirundo> Company::Get(<id>) ? 17:02:45 <SmatZ> dihedral: Company::Get(company_id) 17:02:53 <SmatZ> :) 17:03:22 <dihedral> just found it :-P 17:03:25 <SmatZ> coincidence? I think not! 17:03:47 <dihedral> :-P 17:05:46 *** Gremnon [~liam@87.115.126.183] has joined #openttd 17:06:50 *** jpx_ [jpx_@a91-156-245-170.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 17:09:25 <dihedral> it's a pain finding all the right places where a function needs to be called :-P 17:10:30 *** Nite [5472b1fc@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 17:23:49 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4db8162b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:26:17 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:42:31 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-77-86-111-106.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:43:20 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-77-86-111-106.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:44:31 *** Gremnon [~liam@87.115.126.183] has left #openttd [] 17:48:14 *** Gremnon [~liam@87.115.126.183] has joined #openttd 17:49:51 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@adsl-77-86-111-106.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:59:55 <andythenorth> evening 17:59:58 <frosch123> lazy translators :p 18:00:05 <Rubidium> lazy devs? 18:00:16 <frosch123> that too 18:00:21 <Rubidium> at least... now win9x won't fail! 18:00:30 <frosch123> disabled? 18:00:42 <Rubidium> no, no commits since yesterday's nightly 18:00:55 <planetmaker> :-D 18:00:58 <frosch123> oh, so we will get complains about "where's the nightly?" 18:00:58 <avdg> poor svn :p 18:01:17 <frosch123> today never happened 18:01:36 <Rubidium> too busy trying to keep the website alive 18:01:47 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 18:01:53 <avdg> are there still problems with it? 18:02:39 <Rubidium> it's still hit more than average: http://rbijker.net/openttd/getgraph.asp.png 18:03:00 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:03:10 <avdg> thats clear as water 18:03:40 <frosch123> hmm, exactly 1000 downloads of 1.0.4 yesterday 18:05:09 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-77-86-111-106.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:07:31 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 18:12:28 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.178.142] has joined #openttd 18:17:40 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:18:24 <Alberth> bummer, busy reading tt-forums, gets it closed down :( 18:19:23 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.154.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:19:27 * Rubidium hopes orudge's aware of that (i.e. doing that) 18:22:14 <Alberth> Most likely he is: "The forum is currently being upgraded...." 18:24:42 <orudge> Rubidium: yep 18:24:54 <orudge> won't be long 18:26:33 *** pyrotechnick [~pyrotechn@124-150-83-86.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 18:26:58 <pyrotechnick> hi 18:27:16 <pyrotechnick> are there any plans for a webgl port of openttd? 18:27:33 <Rubidium> not from me 18:27:56 <Rubidium> even a normal gl port attempt(s?) has been a failure 18:28:06 <pyrotechnick> is it not rendered with opengl? 18:28:13 <avdg> I like to see it, but /me !== js expert 18:28:30 <planetmaker> pyrotechnick: nope 18:28:36 <pyrotechnick> really? 18:28:43 <planetmaker> nope. But honestly 18:28:57 <Alberth> pyrotechnick: a game from 1985, what do you think? 18:29:01 <planetmaker> there's no rendering 18:29:13 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:29:13 <pyrotechnick> i know there's no 3d per-se 18:29:19 <Sacro> 1995 18:29:21 <pyrotechnick> but i expected it to be opengl none-the-less 18:29:32 <Rubidium> Alberth: 1985 is a bit too much :) 18:29:32 <pyrotechnick> alot of 2d is done in ogl 18:29:41 <planetmaker> not this 18:29:46 <Sacro> ahh i love alots 18:29:50 <Alberth> off by 10 years, who is counting :) 18:29:53 <Sacro> and no, it'd be blitted not rendered 18:29:57 *** `Fuco` [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 18:30:06 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:30:09 <pyrotechnick> so it's just sdl surfaces or something? 18:30:26 <Sacro> all the way down 18:30:31 <pyrotechnick> that's so cool 18:30:39 <planetmaker> surfaces? 18:30:43 <planetmaker> it's sprites 18:30:44 <pyrotechnick> textures 18:30:50 <pyrotechnick> yeah they're called surfaces in sdl 18:31:13 <planetmaker> Not sure it's the same... 18:31:21 <pyrotechnick> SDL_Surface 18:31:54 <pyrotechnick> anyway i am working on similar game in webgl 18:32:07 <pyrotechnick> i thought i'd send out the feelers on here for any thoughts/suggestons/help 18:32:32 <pyrotechnick> more than anything i need some assistance getting a community going, i think that's one of the best features of openttd 18:32:48 <Rubidium> but doesn't webgl mean javascript and such? 18:33:00 <pyrotechnick> yes... 18:33:13 <pyrotechnick> javascript isn't such a bad language, it's very misunderstood 18:33:15 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:33:18 <Rubidium> oh, then it's likely never going to happen 18:33:29 <Rubidium> as even ports to C# are failing horribly 18:33:30 <pyrotechnick> why is that Rubidium 18:33:48 <pyrotechnick> Rubidium: i'm not sure it has anything to do with language or environments 18:34:12 <Rubidium> it have everything to do with the amount of effort required to get something close to OpenTTD 18:34:27 <Rubidium> s/have/has/ 18:34:43 <Alberth> not necessarily close to openttd, but something addictive 18:34:57 <pyrotechnick> well 18:35:13 <Rubidium> and you're rewriting it from scratch, it's not what I'd call a port 18:35:15 <Alberth> first priority imho is to have something playable 18:35:18 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 18:35:37 <pyrotechnick> 'anyway i am working on similar game in webgl' 18:35:39 <pyrotechnick> i never said port 18:35:52 <pyrotechnick> it's more sim-cityish than openttd atm 18:36:02 <Rubidium> 20:27 < pyrotechnick> are there any plans for a webgl port of openttd? 18:36:09 <Rubidium> you definitely said port 18:36:13 <planetmaker> you might join the p1k project or how it's called 18:36:21 <pyrotechnick> Rubidium: yes i was asking about a port 18:36:25 <pyrotechnick> but then i said im writing a similar game 18:36:27 <Gremnon> planetmaker: p1sim you mean 18:36:28 <pyrotechnick> two different concepts 18:36:34 <pyrotechnick> plsim 18:36:35 <planetmaker> Gremnon: probably 18:36:45 <pyrotechnick> as in 18:36:46 <pyrotechnick> pearl? 18:36:55 <Gremnon> personally I don't think p1sim is going to work still 18:36:55 <Alberth> micropolis (formerly simcity) is also developing a web-based thing 18:37:02 <planetmaker> wooot? Forums gone?! 18:37:18 <pyrotechnick> micropolis have one but it's written in activex 18:37:51 <pyrotechnick> ohh micropolis 18:37:53 <pyrotechnick> yeah that is cool 18:38:20 <Alberth> planetmaker: yes, we have to live one evening without :( 18:38:33 <planetmaker> seems like 18:38:38 <planetmaker> we will live :-) 18:38:49 <pyrotechnick> Alberth: that's essentially what we're aiming for first up 18:38:55 <pyrotechnick> Alberth: getting a an alpha 18:39:12 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:39:13 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 18:40:22 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:40:44 <pyrotechnick> Rubidium: what makes you think it cannot be done in javascript? 18:40:49 <pyrotechnick> Rubidium: performance? 18:41:04 <avdg> pyrotechnick: I think it won't be a port 18:41:10 <Alberth> plain open gl at the machine it self already failed 18:41:13 <avdg> it should be something totaly diffrend 18:41:13 <Rubidium> I was talking about a port of OpenTTD in javascript 18:41:30 <Gremnon> is that even possible? 18:41:39 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-118-73.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 18:41:42 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 18:41:43 <pyrotechnick> Gremnon: openttd in javascript? 18:42:02 <Rubidium> Gremnon: not with network compatability I fear :) 18:42:16 <pyrotechnick> Gremnon: not without a proxy 18:42:23 <pyrotechnick> Gremnon: there are websockets coming to html 18:42:50 <pyrotechnick> Gremnon: but these must open connections with a http server 18:42:50 <Gremnon> hmm 18:42:50 <avdg> it will not be a port and support for newgrf idk 18:43:10 <pyrotechnick> avdg: i think you could support the graphics files 18:43:14 <Gremnon> JS, I don't think could handle the complexity 18:43:23 <pyrotechnick> Gremnon: i disagree 18:43:32 <pyrotechnick> Gremnon: but i'm open for specific reasons as to why 18:43:42 <pyrotechnick> perhaps not on the hardware we are used to today 18:43:42 <Gremnon> pyrotechnick: if you can show me a working proof of concept, I'll admit it's possible 18:43:54 <pyrotechnick> Gremnon: again, that's what we're aiming for 18:44:18 <pyrotechnick> essentially it's not really going to be that close to openttd 18:44:20 <pyrotechnick> since it will be 3d 18:44:27 <pyrotechnick> but it will be in the same spirit 18:44:35 <Gremnon> perhaps Transport Empire is what you should look at then? 18:44:41 <avdg> that will require a lot of graphics 18:44:45 <Gremnon> afaik it's meant to be OTTD-like, but in 3d 18:44:49 <orudge> Forums are back 18:44:50 <pyrotechnick> really? 18:45:33 <Alberth> \o/ 18:45:36 <pyrotechnick> oh cool 18:45:45 <pyrotechnick> there was a 3d playsation version done in 1997 18:46:41 <Gremnon> I doubt you could find a version of it now though 18:47:13 <pyrotechnick> yeah i only have youtube videos 18:47:15 <pyrotechnick> that's enough ^w^ 18:47:53 <pyrotechnick> transport empire is pretty dead 18:48:15 <Gremnon> then be the one to revive it - it would seem to be the start of exactly what you want to do, at least 18:48:21 <Gremnon> if not provide some insights into where to start 18:48:32 <Gremnon> all it needs is people to start working on it again 18:48:39 * dihedral is ammused 18:48:46 <pyrotechnick> ogre is pretty hideous 18:48:49 <planetmaker> pyrotechnick: if people actually would programme it, it'd live 18:48:51 <pyrotechnick> i used it for our final project at uni 18:48:57 <planetmaker> ogre is ... bloatedly huge 18:49:04 <pyrotechnick> yeah it's quite filtjhy 18:49:11 <pyrotechnick> i mean it did the job 18:49:28 <pyrotechnick> but it felt like a frankenstein of engines trying to do everything and not doing anything particularly well 18:49:50 <planetmaker> you were faster than you promised, orudge :-) Nice 18:50:14 <pyrotechnick> sorry? 18:50:24 <orudge> planetmaker: I didn't realise there was an update message there 18:50:26 <orudge> that was from last time :p 18:50:30 <orudge> but I couldn't easily edit it once I'd started 18:50:55 <pyrotechnick> so 18:51:04 <pyrotechnick> does anyone have an idea of budgets in openttd 18:51:18 <pyrotechnick> memory/processing budgets? 18:51:32 <planetmaker> orudge: it's not like the time estimate mattered :-) 18:51:41 <pyrotechnick> basically, in a typical game 18:51:50 <pyrotechnick> what % of processing goes towards ai 18:52:04 <pyrotechnick> what goes towards composition etc 18:52:13 <dihedral> orudge, would / do you host java based webapps related to openttd 18:52:13 <planetmaker> depends upon the # of AI. And they can have their own threads 18:52:17 <Gremnon> orudge: it's as montgomery scott once said - 'Always give an estimate longer than the actual time you need - then when you complete it early, you seem like a miracle worker' 18:52:30 <planetmaker> ^ hehe 18:52:33 <Rubidium> pyrotechnick: that depends on a enormous number of factors; can't say much useful about that 18:52:56 <Rubidium> I can make the GUI take 90+%, I can make the AI take 90+% but I can also make either of them use less than 1% 18:53:29 <Alberth> #AIs = 0 and you're done :) 18:53:43 <pyrotechnick> lol 18:53:52 <Rubidium> Alberth: or use wrightai :) 18:54:38 <Alberth> or Rondje, as long as you don't build road :) 18:55:07 *** perk111 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 19:00:02 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 19:00:53 <pyrotechnick> Sacro, planetmaker: it looks like SDL is backed by 3d apis 19:01:11 <planetmaker> and? 19:01:48 <pyrotechnick> it's closer to opengl than alot of people would expect 19:03:14 <frosch123> pyrotechnick: most expensive are things like ship pathfinding, processing of millions of plain ground tiles (if you can you should make them stateless), accellerating/breaking of around 30000 vehicles, production of cargos from lots of small instances (houses), running lots of ais, drawing millions of things when zoomed out. and unfortunatelly a lot of that stuff cannot be parallelized 19:03:20 <planetmaker> SDL is only one of the many video front-ends of OpenTTD 19:03:31 <Gremnon> wasn't there an attempt at an OpenGL blitter once? and didn't it fail to work? 19:04:15 <pyrotechnick> frosch123: thankyou very much 19:05:08 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:05:25 <frosch123> what most miss about ottd is, that your average game has a limit of around 200 units per player and rather small maps 19:05:33 <peter1138> SDL isn't close to opengl, heh 19:05:45 <pyrotechnick> peter1138: SDL is often backed by opengl 19:05:47 <frosch123> in ottd there are huge maps, and 200 units are nothing 19:05:55 <pyrotechnick> peter1138: on osx it is 19:05:58 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 19:06:01 <pyrotechnick> peter1138: on windows it can be 19:06:12 <pyrotechnick> peter1138: and on linux it's x11 which can be also 19:06:17 <peter1138> mainstream sdl doesn't have an opengl backend 19:06:33 <orudge> [13:52:15] <dihedral> orudge, would / do you host java based webapps related to openttd <-- I don't. Potentially I could if there was demand. 19:06:35 <Gremnon> in other words: it's an optional extra to sdl that doesn't appear to be offical 19:07:06 <peter1138> you can use opengl with sdl, but that's not the same as sdl using opengl 19:07:23 <pyrotechnick> peter1138: i understand 19:07:34 <pyrotechnick> peter1138: on osx it's backed by quartz which is backed by opengl 19:07:52 <peter1138> on osx it's apparently buggy and doesn't work 19:08:04 <Gremnon> I thought that was osx itself 19:08:05 *** wollollo [~martin@host86-175-29-208.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #openttd 19:08:15 <pyrotechnick> peter1138: i've played openttd on mac for years 19:08:29 <pyrotechnick> peter1138: haven't really noticed anything 19:08:42 <pyrotechnick> peter1138: perhaps it doesn't use the bugged features 19:08:49 <peter1138> then you'll notice the performance problems, and the fact we deprecated and finally removed the port 19:09:01 <peter1138> openttd on osx doesn't use sdl 19:09:08 <peter1138> (because it doesn't work) 19:09:47 <peter1138> what's needed for webgl anyway? 19:10:17 <pyrotechnick> peter1138: a nightly version of an a-grade browser 19:10:31 <pyrotechnick> http://learningwebgl.com/blog/?p=11 19:10:35 * andythenorth doesn't notice any bugs 19:10:37 <andythenorth> on OS X 19:10:52 <andythenorth> maybe they look like features to me :P 19:10:54 <pyrotechnick> andythenorth: me neither, i didn't realise it wasn't sdl though 19:11:02 * andythenorth ponders 19:11:11 <andythenorth> tell me a colour for brickworks 19:11:13 <pyrotechnick> what api does it use when compiled on mac? 19:11:21 <Hirundo> cocoa? 19:11:36 <pyrotechnick> doubt it 19:11:39 <orudge> peter1138: it would appear that SDL 1.2.14 features a significant number of Snow Leopard changes. I've no idea if that would be any better or not for OpenTTD though (and doesn't really fix the other OS X issues). Maybe I'll try later if I can be bothered. Or maybe somebody else already has. 19:11:59 <peter1138> pyrotechnick, ahh, very bleeding edge :) 19:12:06 <pyrotechnick> peter1138: yes it is 19:12:16 <pyrotechnick> peter1138: it will stabilise at the end of this year 19:12:21 <Terkhen> IIRC it was cocoa 19:12:37 <pyrotechnick> peter1138: it's enabled on certain mobile devices alreadt 19:12:45 <peter1138> heh 19:12:55 <pyrotechnick> namely Maemo Browser on n900 19:13:09 <peter1138> and yes, we use cocoa on osx 19:13:14 <pyrotechnick> really? 19:13:15 <planetmaker> [21:11] <pyrotechnick> doubt it <-- but it is cocoa by default 19:13:22 <pyrotechnick> that's alot of work for one platform 19:13:33 <pyrotechnick> sdl was that bad? 19:13:43 <planetmaker> it IS that bad. 19:13:46 <peter1138> we have a win32 gdi backend too, heh 19:13:49 <planetmaker> it's plainly unusable 19:13:50 <__ln__> it is worse. 19:14:16 *** jpx_ [jpx_@a91-156-245-170.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 19:14:32 <__ln__> besides the Windows port doesn't use SDL either afaik. 19:14:49 <planetmaker> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/3447/getfile/5132/colour_issue.png <-- enjoy the colour, pyrotechnick 19:15:04 * andythenorth is grateful for work done on cocoa implementation 19:15:13 <planetmaker> and it's not the only SLD-OSX issue 19:15:14 <peter1138> __ln__, you can compile it with the right incantation though, and it does then work :) 19:15:16 <andythenorth> planetmaker: I like the colour issue 19:15:18 * pyrotechnick is too 19:15:26 <andythenorth> it would make my life easier as a grf author :P 19:15:28 <Terkhen> nice colours :) 19:15:34 <andythenorth> smaller palette == easier choices 19:15:56 <pyrotechnick> it looks like the monitor cable is slightly loose 19:16:01 <peter1138> that just looks like an RGB order mismatch 19:16:06 * Alberth senses a special OpenGFX edition :p 19:16:28 <peter1138> hehe 19:16:40 <planetmaker> :-P 19:16:50 <peter1138> on the other hand, if it's all sdl, then sdl was at fault 19:17:07 <planetmaker> pyrotechnick: hard to make a screenshot of that then ;-) 19:19:40 <pyrotechnick> andythenorth: do you use homebrew? 19:19:49 <andythenorth> ? 19:19:57 <pyrotechnick> i guess not 19:20:02 <pyrotechnick> it's a package manager for mac 19:20:18 <pyrotechnick> i wrote a recipe for openttd one day but it's lost :( 19:21:06 * dihedral wonders what Rubidium would say if dih managed to complete the patch by tomorrow ^^ 19:23:16 <planetmaker> there's only one way to find out 19:24:23 <pyrotechnick> so you need a mac developer? 19:24:46 <Gremnon> one that is willing to take on and fix all the OSX bugs actively 19:24:51 <Gremnon> somethign like that, I believe 19:25:07 <pyrotechnick> i would love to see osx support for openttd again 19:25:20 <Gremnon> you're welcome to lend a hand by fixing bugs 19:26:17 <__ln__> And to be a "mac developer" in this context, it is not enough that someone manages to install Xcode Tools and compile OpenTTD himself. 19:26:56 <__ln__> ... that's my impression of the skill level of some that have kind of volunteered for it on the forum. 19:27:05 <Terkhen> pyrotechnick: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=45247 19:27:57 <pyrotechnick> __ln__: hehe, i can only imagine, at least they're mac users though, they can't be that bad... 19:28:16 <glx> <Gremnon> you're welcome to lend a hand by fixing bugs <-- and implement missing features like automatic font selection 19:28:41 <planetmaker> that's not particularily missing 19:29:28 <planetmaker> as it's working for 19:29:51 <planetmaker> at least my case. Easily between the Euroean, Korean, Arabic, Chines, Russian... 19:29:54 <michi_cc> But input for CJK characters for example is missing. 19:29:56 <Gremnon> actually, on fonts I wouldn't mind seeing a patch I believe orudge wrote some time ago that allowed one to pick fonts from a list of system-wide installed fonts 19:30:01 <planetmaker> yep. That is missing 19:30:16 <orudge> Gremnon: that was a long, long time ago, yes 19:30:21 <orudge> but I do still have it kicking around 19:30:25 <orudge> it'd probably need a complete rewrite now 19:30:37 <orudge> OpenTTD's pretty much unrecognisable now compared to what it was then 19:31:09 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:ec43:3259:fd6d:45c1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:31:20 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:ec43:3259:fd6d:45c1] has joined #openttd 19:31:23 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 19:31:49 <planetmaker> but afaik it's the only example of 'missing feature' 19:32:02 <Gremnon> well true, it'd need to be redone, but it would be nice for the user to be able to pick the font they find more readable or useful 19:32:14 <planetmaker> that's a general request 19:33:16 <pyrotechnick> Terkhen: this post is depressing :( 19:34:30 <Terkhen> It would be nice to change that :) 19:34:55 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:35:13 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.180.159] has joined #openttd 19:35:44 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:37:07 * Gremnon wonders if there's any decent arguement for getting a mac 19:37:35 <pyrotechnick> Gremnon: to dev openttd 19:37:45 <Gremnon> besides that. I mean for more general use 19:37:57 <Gremnon> which in my case means mostly onliney kind of stuff 19:37:57 <Rubidium> Gremnon: bigger threshold for installing and using OpenTTD? 19:38:31 <Gremnon> Rubidium: not until it gets supported, or I manage to wrap my head around enough C++ knowledge to at least assist in fixing the port up a bit 19:38:48 <Rubidium> Gremnon: you'd need obj-c++ as well 19:39:02 <Gremnon> why, what's that used for? 19:39:09 <planetmaker> c++ knowledge, a bit obj-c++. And much more API knowledge 19:39:10 <__ln__> Gremnon: indeed, you need Obj-C knowledge more than C++. 19:39:26 <Rubidium> Gremnon: the great minds at Apple chosen obj-c/obj-c++ for their API 19:39:34 <Gremnon> ...fun 19:39:51 <Rubidium> for extra added fun, gcc is seriously considering dropping obj-c++ 19:39:55 <__ln__> Rubidium: their kernel api is C++ however 19:40:24 <pyrotechnick> __ln__: not anymore 19:40:25 <Gremnon> it seems like it's much more useful to make a Linux desktop take on a Mac look'nfeel and just run Linux stuff on it instead of actually getting a Mac and running mac stuff on it.... 19:40:32 <planetmaker> from what I read, they don't, Rubidium 19:40:35 <Gremnon> assuming you wanted to make it look like that, that is 19:40:47 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.178.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:41:02 <__ln__> Rubidium: that's quite irrelevant, as *Apple's* version of gcc certainly isn't dropping Obj-C++. 19:41:26 <planetmaker> Gremnon: the "works out of a box" is not as much given for linux (or windows) as for a mac 19:42:10 <Gremnon> I find Linux works out of the box just fine for me thank you 19:42:26 *** lasershock [lasershock@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:42:30 <planetmaker> for certain definitions 'out of the box' yes. 19:42:31 <Gremnon> only ever had one issue with it, and that was because Arch upgraded X.org to a version that didn't support the video card's propreitary driver 19:42:33 <planetmaker> For me, too 19:42:57 <pyrotechnick> so... 19:43:02 <pyrotechnick> SDL is a failure? 19:43:14 <planetmaker> depends. 19:43:21 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DD01.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:46:04 <Rubidium> planetmaker: they're seriously considering it. And they are shooting down merging objective-c 2.0 without it coming from Apple 19:47:41 <pyrotechnick> xcode 4 is so badass 19:47:46 <pyrotechnick> has anyone else tried it? 19:47:50 <avdg> nope 19:47:53 <pyrotechnick> i guess not since there's no osx devs 19:47:58 <avdg> but I don't see a lot in it 19:48:03 <pyrotechnick> SFML needs an osx dev aslwell 19:48:10 <Gremnon> I thought there was one, but they're awol or something 19:48:11 <pyrotechnick> avdg: clang is amazing 19:48:18 <planetmaker> pyrotechnick: I won't pay like > 100$US for access to it 19:48:19 *** lasershock [lasershock@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 19:48:19 <__ln__> Rubidium: but are we supposed to compile the Mac port with a vanilla GCC, or why does that matter? 19:48:20 <avdg> there are improvements yes 19:48:29 <avdg> but the interface, I don't know 19:48:35 <planetmaker> pyrotechnick: clang is faster than gcc. But less optimizing 19:48:38 * avdg and 13" :p 19:48:41 <planetmaker> at least for OpenTTD 19:48:51 <pyrotechnick> planetmaker: clang's not a compiler 19:49:02 <pyrotechnick> it's static code analysis 19:49:12 <__ln__> llvm on the other hand is a compiler 19:49:16 <planetmaker> hm... mixed it up with the llvm part ;-) 19:49:16 <pyrotechnick> yep 19:49:28 <pyrotechnick> planetmaker: correct it's less optimising atm 19:49:36 <pyrotechnick> planetmaker: it's ALOT newer though 19:49:47 <planetmaker> no argument 19:49:52 <pyrotechnick> you need to consider how long gcc's had to incorporate all of the optimisations it has 19:49:56 <avdg> pyrotechnick: I have to see whats better in the real world 19:50:19 <avdg> and I don't have a good view about the c/c++/c# world atm 19:50:39 <pyrotechnick> why 19:50:50 <avdg> cause I'm a noob :) 19:50:52 <planetmaker> avdg: for a quick compile the llvm-gcc is 'better' as it's slightly faster. But for playing big games, use the 'real' gcc ;-) 19:51:01 <planetmaker> gcc_select is your friend 19:52:20 <avdg> because gcc is more optimized and llvm just needs *that* bit more optimizing, right? 19:53:07 <pyrotechnick> they're not exactly in direct competition 19:53:15 <planetmaker> at least with the default configure settings. So probably yes. I'm no compiler-interals specialist by all means 19:53:53 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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20:25:44 <avdg> how high is the openttd 1.0.4 counter now? 20:27:03 <Alberth> less than infinite 20:27:29 <Rubidium> avdg: you'll know the figure of 00:00 at 07:00 (UTC) 20:28:19 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4db8162b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:29:34 <avdg> oh, k ty for giving such accurate details :) 20:30:06 <__ln__> avdg: when it exceeds infinite, you'll be notified personally 20:30:16 <avdg> :) 20:31:11 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5099.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:32:51 <TrueBrain> avdg: well, we can't be any more accurate 20:32:57 <TrueBrain> too much data :D 20:33:31 <avdg> bweh, its just data after all, isn't it? 20:33:41 <TrueBrain> your point being? 20:34:04 *** Priski [priski@ihq.in] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:34:54 <avdg> that data isn't everything 20:35:08 <TrueBrain> still making no sense at all 20:35:14 <TrueBrain> or was it just a random troll? 20:35:37 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:35:57 <frosch123> avdg: those statistics are faked anyway 20:36:09 <TrueBrain> the cake is a lie after all 20:37:04 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 20:37:36 <frosch123> ah, 0.6.3 just passed 250000 yesterday 20:38:01 <Terkhen> someone is still downloading 0.6.3? 20:38:11 <TrueBrain> I have his IP. want to pay him a visit? :p 20:38:16 <TrueBrain> (and no, I don't really have his IP) 20:38:32 <frosch123> Terkhen: a lot more than 0.7.x 20:39:19 <pyrotechnick> ive always wondered this 20:39:35 <pyrotechnick> do you get more cargo if the industry is completely contained within the catchment area 20:39:41 <pyrotechnick> or does only 1 square need to overlap? 20:40:17 <frosch123> the area decides only yes/no, the station rating decides the amount 20:40:38 <pyrotechnick> and for cities 20:40:47 <pyrotechnick> is it based on the buildings covered? 20:41:06 <frosch123> every building produces/accepts on their own 20:41:14 <pyrotechnick> that's cool 20:41:37 <Alberth> http://wiki.openttd.org/Game_mechanics 20:42:23 <pyrotechnick> Alberth: ta 20:42:41 <Rubidium> a big reason 0.6.3 is downloaded so often is release at 2008-10-01, 0.7.0-beta1 at 2009-02-16 20:42:49 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:43:36 <frosch123> that does not explain why 0.6.3 is still downloaded more often than 0.7.x 20:43:42 <frosch123> (daily amount, not total) 20:43:48 <Rubidium> ai 20:43:59 <SpComb> that's only a four-month lifetime for the 0.6.3 release 20:44:05 <SpComb> well, perhaps beta doesn't cout 20:44:16 <Terkhen> oh, right, the old ai :) 20:44:31 <Terkhen> I still don't get it, though 20:44:32 <frosch123> SpComb: 0.6.3 lived 6 months :) the avarage 1.0 release lasts only 1.5 months 20:45:28 <Rubidium> stupid laptop batteries... only lasting ~2.5 hours when both cores are fully active at max CPU :( 20:47:04 <SpComb> 0.7 dropped the legacy AI? 20:47:54 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:48:33 <Terkhen> yes 20:48:48 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:48:48 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 20:49:01 <frosch123> well, even sirkoz got used to noai :p 20:49:44 <Terkhen> only because of simpleai 20:50:53 <glx> well it's sirkoz 20:51:12 <Terkhen> :) 20:52:26 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 20:52:31 <beyre83> this is weird 20:52:46 <beyre83> i have 2 electric rails, on one i can purchase asiastar 20:52:50 <beyre83> on the other i cannot 20:52:51 <beyre83> :S 20:53:18 <frosch123> then they are likely not both electric :p 20:53:19 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: bbiab] 20:53:41 <beyre83> they both have the overhead electric look 20:53:42 <beyre83> :S 20:53:57 <frosch123> try convert rail on them to be sure 20:55:03 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.87.89] has joined #openttd 20:59:26 <beyre83> mmm seems the station wasnt 20:59:30 <beyre83> on the other end 20:59:58 <beyre83> as it was a joint sation with a older line 20:59:58 <beyre83> i forgot about 20:59:58 <beyre83> lol 21:01:18 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.180.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:01:22 *** lasershock [lasershock@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:02:00 <pyrotechnick> beyre83: PEBKAC error 21:03:39 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7c89.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:04:14 *** lasershock [lasershock@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 21:04:35 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe82de00-121.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 21:05:03 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF88B9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:05:25 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:10:37 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r20807 /trunk/src/ (toolbar_gui.cpp toolbar_gui.h window.cpp): -Codechange: don't clamp the width of the main toolbar to 640 pixels 21:10:46 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 21:16:37 *** pyrotechnick [~pyrotechn@124-150-83-86.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:17:26 *** Biolunar [Mahdi@blfd-5d8204d6.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: gn8] 21:19:21 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 21:19:54 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20808 /trunk/src/video/cocoa/event.mm: -Add [FS#4110]: [OSX] support for input using dead keys (Zydeco) 21:20:41 <__ln__> that was surprising 21:20:47 <planetmaker> yep 21:22:13 <Rubidium> did I break OSX compilation? 21:22:51 <__ln__> did you try to? 21:23:44 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:23:48 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:26:01 <TrueBrain> how ever much I look at objective C, it is some fucked up syntax 21:26:41 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:29:30 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:30:51 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has quit [Quit: Good bye] 21:38:40 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:45:34 * avdg goes for a test 21:45:42 <Terkhen> good luck 21:46:48 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@87.102.18.168] has joined #openttd 21:47:45 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-77-86-111-106.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:49:13 <avdg> indeed, there is something broken -_- 21:49:24 <planetmaker> Rubidium: you added at least a warning: /Users/ingo/ottd/trunk/src/video/cocoa/event.mm: In function âbool QZ_PollEvent()â: 21:49:26 <planetmaker> /Users/ingo/ottd/trunk/src/video/cocoa/event.mm:563: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned integer expressions 21:49:35 <Rubidium> yay! 21:49:38 <avdg> same error 21:49:47 <Rubidium> well tested patch *ONCE* again 21:50:01 <Terkhen> :) 21:50:31 <Rubidium> s/int/uint/ works? 21:51:09 <planetmaker> I didn't quite read it. What shall I look ingame for what would break? 21:51:20 <planetmaker> dead keys... like accents? 21:51:25 <avdg> what could be broken? 21:51:52 <Rubidium> avdg: everything 21:52:03 <avdg> bad question 21:52:08 <Rubidium> after all, it's Mac OS X; a minor change can break everything there 21:52:21 <planetmaker> like for any other system 21:52:36 <Rubidium> for any other system *I* can do tests and such 21:52:44 <avdg> hmm 21:52:58 <Rubidium> hell, I even have a Korean Windows XP installation 21:53:02 * avdg blames hisself for not testing the patch hard enough 21:53:17 <planetmaker> did you test it before, avdg ? 21:53:31 <avdg> yep, but seems I didn't stresstest it hard enough 21:53:34 <planetmaker> if so... how did you then go around that warning? 21:53:36 <Rubidium> but... does s/int/uint/ on that line fix the warning? 21:53:57 <avdg> it seems the signs aren't editable 21:54:17 <avdg> at least, if you include these dead key symbols 21:54:29 <avdg> hmm 21:55:01 <avdg> let me test it, my report isn't done yet :p 21:55:15 <planetmaker> s/int/uint/ silences the warning, yes 21:55:26 <Rubidium> avdg: well, file a bug report then... 21:55:34 <avdg> k 21:56:08 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20809 /trunk/src/video/cocoa/event.mm: -Fix (r20809): as usual with these user provided Mac OS X patches lately... they either fail to compile or spew warnings 21:56:14 <avdg> cause it seems I can't reproduce it anymore 21:56:19 <Rubidium> yay for reinforcing my lack of faith in Mac OS X people writing decent code 21:57:25 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@5ad9c34c.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 21:59:05 <planetmaker> did a 2nd person test the patch? 21:59:15 <avdg> afaik no 21:59:26 <avdg> except the patchwriter himself 22:00:02 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DD01.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:00:27 *** Westie [~westie@starfish.typefish.co.uk] has quit [Quit: ----] 22:00:50 <glx> never trust patchwriters 22:01:16 * SmatZ doesn't 22:01:22 <glx> they often claim their code is desync free 22:01:22 <avdg> thats why I say no :p 22:01:25 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: A key, command, or action that tells the system to return to a previous state or stop a process.] 22:01:56 <glx> when a quick review without even testing proves it's false 22:02:57 <avdg> well, thats why we need more osx testers :p 22:03:40 <Rubidium> no, someone we can reasonably trust that it was tested correctly (i.e. an official dev) 22:03:58 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5adc9b64.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:03:58 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 22:04:57 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:05:23 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20810 /trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): -Merge: documentation updates from 1.0 22:18:53 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:19:46 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 22:19:52 <Terkhen> good night 22:19:58 <avdg> gn 22:20:32 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:22:21 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r20811 /trunk/docs/ottd-colour-palette.gif: -Fix [FS#4079]: the colour palette file in the docs/ directory was broken 22:25:14 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.130.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:31:55 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.7.109] has joined #openttd 22:32:08 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: .] 22:43:59 <glx> <@Rubidium> no, someone we can reasonably trust that it was tested correctly (i.e. an official dev) <-- not bjarni :) 22:45:47 <Rubidium> well... there we, usually, didn't have to pick up the pieces 22:46:31 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r20812 /trunk/src/newgrf_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#4125]: crash when confirming newgrf changes with the newgrf parameter window open 22:48:51 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089077244008.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:50:31 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 23:00:11 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:03:19 *** TruePikachu [~chris@cpe-67-49-42-88.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 23:03:36 <TruePikachu> Yay 1.0.4 - /me will start DL 23:03:55 *** perk111 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 23:08:16 <avdg> gn 23:08:32 *** avdg [~Adium@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:09:23 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:11:06 *** perk111 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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