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00:00:32 <Yexo> George: if you need the id of the first part of the consist, can't that be done already with var C6 via type 82/86/8A ? 00:00:37 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 00:04:28 <michi_cc> That looks more like a feature request for IDs > 128 for ARVs. 00:05:07 <Yexo> afaik that needs moving the "is reversed" bit from bit 7 to bit 14, which can't be done without a new nfo version 00:05:51 <Yexo> or by adding (yet another) bit to some general action0 property that can be set by newgrfs that want the bit to be moved so they have access to more ids for ARVs 00:08:37 *** bruce89 [~bruce89@109.224.132.14] has joined #openttd 00:09:08 <michi_cc> Well, I'm not that versed in NFO, but this seems like one of the things that should get resolved somehow. 00:13:17 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:d9a7:bdf5:3be9:bde3] has joined #openttd 00:13:21 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx_] by ChanServ 00:13:23 <michi_cc> Hacky idea: Use register 0x100 in the callback to return an extended ID somehow? 00:13:37 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe86de00-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 00:13:41 *** glx is now known as Guest4092 00:13:41 *** glx_ is now known as glx 00:18:44 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 00:18:58 *** Guest4092 [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:d9a7:bdf5:3be9:bde3] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:34:33 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC53BC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 00:40:53 <Yexo> michi_cc: the problem is that openttd somehow has to differ between newgrfs using the "normal" return value from the callback and new newgrfs that use the "new" method of returning an extended id 00:41:46 <michi_cc> Preset 0x100 to 0xffffffff or something and only use it when the value changed maybe? 00:42:45 <Yexo> doable, but there is nothing in the specs that says that current newgrfs are not allowed to change register 0x100 for callbacks that don't expect it 00:45:27 *** kamnet [4cb171cd@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 00:55:37 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 01:09:12 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.50.197] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 01:21:40 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:23:19 <Eddi|zuHause> <Yexo> afaik that needs moving the "is reversed" bit from bit 7 to bit 14, which can't be done without a new nfo version <-- you could instead just introduce a new callback, and mark this one as deprecated 01:23:51 <Yexo> true, but that needs even more code in openttd to support it 01:24:15 <Eddi|zuHause> you mean other than just copy-pasting and moving the bit? 01:24:31 <Yexo> no, that's about it 01:26:57 <Eddi|zuHause> and about that grf version 8 thing that'S been discussed for years now... i think it's going nowhere unless one starts implementing it (as an "unfinalized" version) 01:34:48 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has joined #openttd 01:36:03 *** clum [~clum@92.8.121.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:41:10 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 01:50:04 *** bruce89 [~bruce89@109.224.132.14] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:51:29 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-5d823866.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:58:29 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-104-249.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:37:43 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-213-220-225-85.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:38:34 *** ezrakilty [~ezracoope@209-6-36-133.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #openttd 02:40:26 <ezrakilty> Hi. How do folks go about organizing games against other people? I'd like to find one or two people at a certain skill level and play a reasonably short game (maybe 35 or 50 years, say) sometime. 02:43:12 <supermop> you can play online 02:43:30 *** kamnet [4cb171cd@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 02:44:48 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.53.169] has joined #openttd 02:45:40 <supermop> you can host a game if you know how to forward the ports 02:55:14 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 03:07:35 <ezrakilty> ok--but how do I find other players that would make a good game for me? 03:07:54 <ezrakilty> are there player-level ratings on the servers, or anything like that? 03:07:58 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:08:44 <Ylioppilas> no 03:10:37 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 03:11:43 <ezrakilty> Or, is there a cycle of when games start and end? 03:12:02 <ezrakilty> How do you avoid jumping in and spending too much time, or jumping in late? 03:12:51 <Ylioppilas> only if the server name provides the information :/ 03:13:30 <Ylioppilas> if it does not, you can't avoid those 03:14:15 <Ylioppilas> there are a few organizations running servers on a regular basis with their timetables, some even offer registrations and track for experience points 03:15:08 <ezrakilty> ok, that's something to look for. 03:15:10 <Ylioppilas> but well, they are using a modified server afaik 03:15:25 <ezrakilty> is there any etiquette, like should I not barge in on games in progress somehow? 03:16:16 <Ylioppilas> I haven't noticed anything related to that 03:16:32 <Ylioppilas> most players follow at least these basic guidelines http://wiki.openttd.org/Multiplayer_Rules 03:17:54 <ezrakilty> ok; that all looks perfectly reasonable. 03:22:19 <ezrakilty> On the webpage I see lots of servers, but in the game it only shows two which are "offline"--is this normal? 03:22:58 <Ylioppilas> if you have searched for servers in the game, it is not :/ 03:30:01 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:30:02 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 03:37:34 <ezrakilty> ah, indeed! there is a "find server" button. cool. 03:37:38 <ezrakilty> i shall play a game sometime. 03:38:19 <Ylioppilas> great :) 04:16:31 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.53.169] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:22:31 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.53.169] has joined #openttd 04:26:22 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.53.169] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:32:20 *** ezrakilty [~ezracoope@209-6-36-133.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: ezrakilty] 04:33:32 *** Markavian [~Markavian@CPE-60-224-82-14.wxzr1.win.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:33:54 *** Markavian [~Markavian@CPE-60-224-82-14.wxzr1.win.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 04:35:01 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:d9a7:bdf5:3be9:bde3] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:37:29 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.53.169] has joined #openttd 05:07:42 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.53.169] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:08:48 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.53.169] has joined #openttd 05:18:20 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe86de00-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 05:27:12 <z-MaTRiX> hey-ho 05:38:45 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe86de00-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 05:56:03 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76069.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:56:18 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B768D2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:57:37 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 06:01:24 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.53.169] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:51:41 *** wolfrage [~wolfrage@vsat-217-26-255-196.nynex.de] has joined #openttd 06:52:17 <planetmaker> moin 06:54:17 <wolfrage> Is there any plan to make the handling of Human cargo smarter or all cargo for that matter? Human cargo generally only goes one way, yet a vehicle will drop off and pick up the same people and never get paid. Unless you set up the right orders at the right times but it does not make sense in reality. 06:58:16 <planetmaker> not currently. you might want to look at the cargodist branch. 06:58:44 <wolfrage> planetmaker: I just found and was reading that, ty 07:00:29 *** Mortomes|Work [~MortomesW@mail.qps.nl] has joined #openttd 07:01:42 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has joined #openttd 07:02:20 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 07:05:32 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 07:13:34 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@2.124.175.116] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:17:30 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 07:17:45 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 07:18:28 <wolfrage> From what I can find on it, it seems the Cargo Distrobution is complete, so why was it never brought back into the main branch? 07:19:21 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 07:21:50 <roboboy> It is so large (currently), and the devs don't like portions of it (the way those portions are implemented) 07:23:41 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5196.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:28:53 <wolfrage> roboboy: I C, and so is a mediator needed and perhaps some re-programming according to their standards? Or is it simply unacceptable? 07:30:52 <roboboy> my understanding is that fonso is reworking it into smaller bits that are easier for the devs to review. He is also rewriting/reimplementing the bits already rejected. There are already small bits of Cargodist in trunk 07:33:36 <Terkhen> good morning 07:33:45 <planetmaker> fonsinchen is doing a good job of chopping off small pieces as patches. 07:33:49 <planetmaker> moin Terkhen 07:34:24 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:35:43 <planetmaker> but mostly me feeling is that cargodist itself is not 'done' yet. So why go for trunk inclusion for 80%-finished stuff? 07:40:59 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:42:57 <wolfrage> roboboy: Well I am glad to here that he is chunking it an that it is being accepted, even if slowly. 07:44:22 <wolfrage> planetmaker: I agree to an extent, particularly that it is not good to have broken or partial code. But the other part of me really wants to see this feature as it will make the game all the more enjoyable, for me that is. 07:45:27 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5196.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 07:46:37 <planetmaker> there's a difference between 'want this feature' and 'this feature also takes care gracously of border cases' 07:48:10 <wolfrage> planetmaker: do not understand your wording? 07:48:48 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 07:49:52 <planetmaker> in other words: afaik it still has unresolved issues. Which the most players who play cargodist are not bothered with, but which are important. 07:50:23 <planetmaker> but it's longer ago that I dwelled on that in-depth. So it might even have changed 07:51:39 <wolfrage> OK I understand. Thank you all for a very fun game, as I get time I may try and contribute back. 07:57:57 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 07:59:20 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 08:00:22 <andythenorth> mion 08:02:56 *** wolfrage [~wolfrage@vsat-217-26-255-196.nynex.de] has left #openttd [] 08:04:45 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 08:07:27 *** Hi [5472b1fc@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 08:07:34 *** Hi [5472b1fc@ircip1.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 08:08:03 *** Nite [5472b1fc@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 08:08:09 <Nite> Hi! 08:08:32 <Nite> who exactly does the limit for terraforming work ... well i will try it anyway right away 08:09:08 <Nite> ..how 08:14:20 <Nite> i can only spot "landscapiong at map bordes" by now 08:14:43 <planetmaker> it has not GUI setting 08:14:47 <planetmaker> -t 08:16:14 <Nite> ok - so if i do not activate it all is as it was before? 08:17:48 <Nite> ... using basecostmod to make landscaping 500K per tile worked well ... btw 08:19:32 <planetmaker> sore, nothing changed, if you don't impose a limit on the amount of TF 08:19:38 <planetmaker> arg. *sure 08:19:57 <Nite> where can i read about it 08:20:01 <Nite> ? 08:20:26 <Nite> whats the "limit" actually (tilelimit, depthlimit?) 08:21:18 <planetmaker> it's a terraform per unit time. the cfg file has the two settings. And there's no-where I know that you can read about it. 08:21:30 <planetmaker> it's a limit on the amount of tiles 08:21:44 <planetmaker> or rather on the corners changed 08:22:58 <planetmaker> terraform_per_64k_frames, terraform_frame_burst, clear_per_64k_frames, clear_frame_burst 08:23:04 <planetmaker> ^ those four settings 08:23:29 <Nite> ok so you can only terraform so much per "time" 08:24:09 <Nite> thats rather strange ... see how it works out / will be used 08:31:42 <Nite> cool i can have the old hover behaviour 08:31:59 <Terkhen> "old"? 08:33:04 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-5f72f2a0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 08:42:16 *** inji [~inji@217-209-1-220-no145.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 08:48:47 <Nite> boar ej the new acel model is hard 08:48:54 <Nite> teh one of the beta 08:49:01 <Terkhen> which beta? 08:49:05 <Nite> its like playing with a 4x weightmulti 08:49:18 <Nite> 1.1.0 beta3 08:50:51 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AC3E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:51:11 <Terkhen> in beta2 it was even harder (see r21712) 08:51:26 <Nite> whoa 08:52:29 <Nite> i do think that hard is good 08:52:48 <Nite> but "better" is configurable 08:58:30 <Nite> cya 08:58:34 <Terkhen> heh 08:58:35 *** Nite [5472b1fc@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 08:58:38 <Terkhen> check the forum discussions about that 08:58:39 <Terkhen> bye 09:00:20 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-5f72f2a0.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:02:31 *** boekabart [~bart@95.211.130.13] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:22:49 *** zodttd2 [~me@user-0c90n0l.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:31:38 <peter1138> hi 09:31:51 <peter1138> so everyone hating/loving/mehing the new acceleration changes? 09:31:59 <planetmaker> moin Peter 09:32:31 <planetmaker> nah, you just hear those who complain. as usual. 09:35:13 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.31.74] has joined #openttd 09:36:33 <andythenorth> umm 09:36:34 <andythenorth> and me 09:36:54 <andythenorth> much as it was fun to reset all the TE co-efficients in HEQS (again) 09:37:04 <andythenorth> I'd rather not do it any more times 09:37:06 <peter1138> heh 09:37:08 <andythenorth> it's quite tiresome 09:37:18 <peter1138> do in ttdpatch ;) 09:37:52 <andythenorth> 'do in' as in 'kill it'? 09:39:34 <peter1138> +it 09:40:09 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-141.dslextreme.com] has joined #openttd 09:43:42 <andythenorth> HEQS don't work in ttdpatch 09:43:51 <andythenorth> and no OS X build of ttdpatch 09:43:54 <andythenorth> :P 09:46:52 <Terkhen> there is a OS X build of dosbox 09:48:44 <Ammler> or wine? 09:56:35 *** v3rb0 [~v3rb0@78.84.194.149] has left #openttd [] 09:58:27 <planetmaker> andythenorth, use wine or dosbox 09:58:36 <planetmaker> wine works for me for TTD. 09:58:55 <andythenorth> meh 09:59:07 <planetmaker> I haven't managed to get it running on either. 09:59:16 <planetmaker> it = TTDP 09:59:17 <andythenorth> fool about with wine or crossover, in order to test a grf that doesn't work in the patch? 09:59:24 <andythenorth> he :) 09:59:52 <planetmaker> I didn't spend an aweful lot of energy or time on it and I'm unfamiliar to those tools otherwise, too. So... 10:00:04 <planetmaker> not the best indicator. It surely will work with the proper config(s) 10:00:22 <planetmaker> it just didn't seem worth my time so far ;-) 10:01:42 * andythenorth is drawing boats 10:01:47 <andythenorth> but could do other stuff 10:01:50 <planetmaker> at least not more than the two hours already invested 10:02:04 <planetmaker> drawing boats is a good use of your time :-) 10:02:07 <planetmaker> For sure! 10:02:13 <andythenorth> roadtypes would be too 10:02:23 <andythenorth> so far I've managed to break my compile :D 10:02:29 <planetmaker> :-D 10:02:40 <planetmaker> well. you sure have more than one checkout ;-) 10:02:43 <planetmaker> so... 10:02:56 <andythenorth> I just need to finish the code that moves roadworks counter to m4 10:03:01 <andythenorth> it's not as simple as it looked :P 10:03:08 <planetmaker> hehe 10:05:32 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.184.148] has joined #openttd 10:07:32 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:11:25 <planetmaker> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Keine-Einigung-mit-Oracle-Aus-Hudson-wird-wohl-Jenkins-1168046.html <-- dihedral so much for oracle can be trusted wrt Hudson ;-) 10:11:26 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-250-62.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 10:11:33 <planetmaker> the story sounds pretty familiar ;-) 10:12:39 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6A0D2.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:13:30 *** Guest4117 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice4n2.emea.ibm.com] has joined #openttd 10:13:31 *** Guest4117 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice4n2.emea.ibm.com] has left #openttd [] 10:17:42 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-22-19.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:21:34 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db1ade1.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:23:52 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:27:32 <andythenorth> are these two ships distinctive with respect to each other? 10:27:33 <andythenorth> http://tt-foundry.com/misc/distinction.png 10:27:55 <peter1138> er, well, one is much larger ;) 10:28:03 <FauxFaux> Roof. 10:28:10 <peter1138> but to me they look like the same ship at a different scale 10:28:16 <peter1138> (minor differences of course) 10:28:47 <andythenorth> hmm 10:28:52 <andythenorth> ships have that effect 10:28:56 <andythenorth> so do bulldozers :P 10:29:28 <andythenorth> would you get confused between the two? 10:29:30 <planetmaker> andythenorth, no. But the big one needs two cranes 10:29:35 <planetmaker> The single one cannot unload the ship 10:29:41 <andythenorth> I tried it with two, it looks too busy 10:29:46 <planetmaker> and then they'd be distinct 10:30:47 <andythenorth> hmm 10:31:39 <peter1138> yeah 10:33:10 <andythenorth> the two (three) crane version is in this image: http://tt-foundry.com/misc/improved_coaster_3.png 10:34:02 <peter1138> looks good 11:01:50 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5196.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:09:58 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 11:13:11 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 11:18:00 <George> <@Yexo> afaik that needs moving the "is reversed" bit from bit 7 to bit 14, which can't be done without a new nfo version -> that would be a solution, but it requires new GRF version that would soon. Having a new var may happen much faster 11:24:12 *** DayDreamer [~PouzarA@80.95.101.194] has joined #openttd 11:38:01 <dihedral> planetmaker, not yet worried :-P 11:41:23 <Adambean> anyone use google code svn? i'm wondering if it's just me getting "502 bad gateway" when trying to update 11:41:29 <andythenorth> MB's fishing ground with seagulls is pretty awesome 11:45:38 <planetmaker> the three-crane-version is not bad 11:45:53 <planetmaker> andythenorth, then ask him for the graphics and use them as alternate ones for your fishing grounds ;-) 11:49:27 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.31.74] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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14:37:20 *** ChanServ changed the topic of #openttd to: 1.0.5 | Website: *.openttd.org (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: vcs, release info: finger) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version | English only 14:46:14 <peter1138> uh 14:57:00 *** Scuddles [~notme@cm44.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 14:59:49 *** lewymati [~lewymati@dynamic-78-8-246-214.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined #openttd 15:07:28 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 15:09:31 <Belugas> Lisa Gerrard - The circulation of shadows 15:09:39 <Belugas> sooo magnificient 15:09:56 <andythenorth> improved: http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=139536 15:10:32 *** ChanServ changed the topic of #openttd to: 1.0.5 | Website: *.openttd.org (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: vcs, release info: finger) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version | English only 15:10:52 <planetmaker> yeah, agreed: it's improved :-) 15:13:09 <Wolf01> impressive, looks realistic 15:13:34 <planetmaker> wrong channel for the 'r'-word, Wolf01 :-P 15:13:36 <peter1138> NOOOOOO 15:14:02 <Wolf01> the topic doesn't say it :P 15:14:21 <Belugas> permission granted to Wolf01 15:14:31 <Belugas> he's not a fanatic R freak 15:14:44 <planetmaker> peew. Lucky us that we can keep him around ;-) 15:18:01 <andythenorth> ach 15:18:08 <andythenorth> I don't want it to look realistic :( 15:18:16 <andythenorth> I want it to look like a toy 15:18:53 <andythenorth> does the topic say 'roadtypes'? 15:18:59 <Belugas> brick land, also a wolf contribution :) 15:19:06 <andythenorth> or was roadtypes the 'r'-word? 15:20:02 <andythenorth> so changing references from m7 to m4 in road_map.h isn't simple 15:20:19 <andythenorth> compiler thinks I need to go and change some struct somewhere 15:20:29 <andythenorth> âstruct TileExtendedâ has no member named âm4â 15:20:32 <andythenorth> which is tiresome :P 15:20:43 <andythenorth> at least the pixels go where I put them and don't answer back 15:20:57 <planetmaker> yep. m1-m6 are one struct and m7 another 15:21:06 <planetmaker> it has memory usage reasons 15:21:11 <andythenorth> how dull 15:21:39 <andythenorth> so I have to change references from TileExtended to Tile 15:21:44 <planetmaker> probably 15:21:50 <planetmaker> and vice versa 15:22:42 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db1ade1.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:24:23 <andythenorth> hmm 15:24:29 <andythenorth> I can't see what I need to change :o 15:24:56 <planetmaker> you 'just' need to access the tile struct instead of the tileextended and vice versa 15:25:03 <Hirundo> one is '_m' IIRC, the other has one more letter 15:25:14 <planetmaker> ^ 15:25:30 <andythenorth> ah 15:25:34 <andythenorth> that makes sense 15:25:44 <andythenorth> one is _me 15:28:15 <Belugas> remember to create accessors around your _m manipulations ;) 15:28:24 <Belugas> but i'm sure you are laready doing that! 15:28:40 <andythenorth> yeah....or...no :o 15:29:01 <andythenorth> accessors are 'AB()' and 'GB()' ? 15:29:05 <frosch123> and make sure to call it new map array, when you are adding a new array for the map :p 15:29:15 <andythenorth> righto 15:29:19 <andythenorth> I shall 15:29:28 <andythenorth> should I add underground metro at the same time? 15:29:30 <planetmaker> NewNewMapArray... 15:29:43 <planetmaker> at least 15:29:45 <Belugas> accessors are rather stuff located in <SOMETBHIGN>_map.h 15:29:47 <Belugas> like 15:29:51 <andythenorth> how about NewOpenTTD? 15:30:05 <planetmaker> That's called either p1sim or transporter 15:30:24 <Belugas> static inline bool IsBridge(TileIndex t) 15:30:37 <andythenorth> ho 15:30:38 <Belugas> in bridge_map.h 15:30:48 <andythenorth> the accessors already exist - I'm just changing m7 to m4 15:31:11 <Belugas> idea is not allow the _m or _me access being visible at large, but in a very litlle scope 15:31:20 <Belugas> ho.. /em shuts up 15:31:25 * Belugas shuts up 15:31:28 <planetmaker> :-( 15:32:06 <andythenorth> Belugas: explanations are good :) 15:32:14 <andythenorth> I am just blind hacking for now 15:33:15 <andythenorth> seems I didn't break roadworks yet 15:33:22 <andythenorth> but I probably did break savegames :) 15:34:51 *** Mortomes|Work [~MortomesW@mail.qps.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:35:01 <Belugas> that is for sure :) 15:35:27 <andythenorth> not sure how that gets fixed :P 15:35:38 <Belugas> savegame bump 15:35:53 <Belugas> moving the definition of the old value to the new one 15:36:03 <Belugas> and incrmenting the version number 15:36:12 <Belugas> done in.. mmh... 15:36:17 <andythenorth> afterload.cpp ? 15:36:21 <Belugas> gimme a day or to to remember 15:37:32 <planetmaker> yes, you need to define an if (IsSavegameVersionBefore(xxx)) { do the conversion stuff } 15:37:38 <planetmaker> in afterload.cpp 15:38:36 <andythenorth> how do I know the version? 15:39:53 <Belugas> ha yeah... that.. 15:41:02 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:41:04 <planetmaker> the (current) savegame version is defined in ... some other file 15:41:08 <andythenorth> heh 15:41:20 <andythenorth> I am too much of a lazy bum for this specific problem :) 15:41:27 *** ChanServ changed the topic of #openttd to: 1.0.5 | Website: *.openttd.org (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: vcs, release info: finger) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version | English only 15:41:33 <planetmaker> saveload.cpp 15:41:40 <andythenorth> it's like the FIRS compatibility checks - some other kind soul ends up doing them :P 15:41:59 <planetmaker> oh, without that, you'll not enjoy it, for sure ;-) 15:42:59 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Quit: âI-n-v-i-s-i-o-nâ 3.2 (July '10)] 15:45:58 <andythenorth> writing a ticket is almost the same as writing code, yes / no? 15:46:18 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.53.169] has joined #openttd 15:46:24 *** OTTDmaster [561b9bc6@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:46:52 <OTTDmaster> hello 15:48:24 <planetmaker> hi 15:50:03 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:50:05 * OTTDmaster goes off to complain to ChillCore about errors in compilation (Including three fatal make errors (I used make -i)) 15:50:42 <Belugas> i was gonna write about writing ticket and coding and need of thinking before writing but... it would be useless to argument 15:50:57 <andythenorth> ? 15:51:10 <andythenorth> might not be useless... 15:53:49 <planetmaker> andythenorth, is that a feature request "add cost balance parameter"? ;-) 15:53:57 <planetmaker> (I thought the same) 15:54:09 <andythenorth> yes 15:54:33 <andythenorth> I wrote a ticket for it ;) 15:54:43 <planetmaker> :-P 15:55:24 * andythenorth wonders what to do next for roadtypes 15:55:32 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8412.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:55:39 <planetmaker> on the other hand I see no need to balance FISH against other ship sets (yet) 15:55:40 <andythenorth> I need all the new extra bits in the tile I guess 15:55:44 <Belugas> [10:45] <andythenorth> writing a ticket is almost the same as writing code, yes / no? <-- yes. but both would need to have a good and long thinking before actually writing code/words in order for the stuff to be acceptable 15:55:56 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 15:56:10 <planetmaker> andythenorth, you need 16(?!) bits 15:56:16 <planetmaker> Na. 4 per type are sufficient 15:56:28 *** X-2 [~X-2@a82-95-91-139.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:56:39 <planetmaker> and if you want... another 4 indeed for the owner(s) 15:57:31 <planetmaker> so yes :-P 15:58:15 <andythenorth> planetmaker: I meant I need to start setting them to something useful ;) 15:58:19 <andythenorth> there are now enough :) 16:00:31 <andythenorth> hmm 16:05:23 * andythenorth wimps out of that particular challenge right now 16:05:41 <andythenorth> there are a lot methods that would need updating to account for having 2 roadtype slots 16:06:05 <planetmaker> even the longest journey starts with a first step ;-) 16:07:23 <andythenorth> I'll go stare at the code in a bit 16:07:43 <andythenorth> I seem to need to stare it for a while before starting any cde 16:08:20 <Terkhen> changing code to see what gets broken is also helpful 16:16:09 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.31.74] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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I got problems with installing NewGRF on my server - can anyone help? 17:36:44 <OTTDmaster> what newgrfs? 17:36:53 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [] 17:36:53 <fMads> aveimils_pigm-0.5.1 17:36:54 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 17:37:08 <OTTDmaster> what version 17:37:18 <OTTDmaster> of openttd 17:37:20 <fMads> 1.0.5 17:37:51 <OTTDmaster> I would do the newgrfs first, before generating the game 17:38:10 <fMads> I've downloaded it from the content system via the console.. But, what next? :s Insert it into the cfg? 17:38:47 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@2.124.175.116] has joined #openttd 17:40:02 *** bb10X is now known as bb10 17:41:10 <OTTDmaster> Is there a live game running? 17:41:21 <fMads> my server? 17:41:35 <OTTDmaster> yes 17:42:18 <fMads> yes.. STS-LanOpenTTD 17:42:34 <OTTDmaster> ok 17:42:42 <OTTDmaster> Are there players on it? 17:42:48 <fMads> not now 17:42:56 <OTTDmaster> stop the game 17:43:01 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:43:04 <fMads> yes 17:43:26 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 17:43:34 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 17:43:38 <fMads> Stopped 17:44:01 <OTTDmaster> go to newgrf settings (under the spanner , for lack of a better word.) 17:44:20 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [] 17:44:28 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 17:44:31 *** fmauneko [~fmauneko@88.166.241.226] has joined #openttd 17:44:34 <fMads> it's runing on a maschine without UI 17:45:00 <OTTDmaster> ok - lose the game altogether 17:45:07 <fMads> I've got the cfg, is thats usefule? 17:45:08 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@5e08fbe9.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 17:45:10 <fMads> ok 17:45:37 <OTTDmaster> Go and do your stuff on a GUI-enabled release, including the newgrfs 17:45:50 <OTTDmaster> save the game 17:46:15 <OTTDmaster> and then load that save on the dedicated release 17:46:22 <OTTDmaster> that should do it 17:46:35 <OTTDmaster> (I think :| ) 17:46:47 <fMads> I'll try.. 17:51:18 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@2.124.175.116] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:51:18 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 17:52:11 *** fjb is now known as Guest19 17:52:12 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFE434.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:54:08 <fMads> it works :) but, you don't know a way to implement it into the cfg and load it from there? I use a php-script to generate cfg to different settings.. 17:54:50 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-5f72f2a0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:54:59 <OTTDmaster> yes there is a way, but there are two problems 17:55:39 <OTTDmaster> first you need to open a text editor, find the title, etc. and it's really long 17:56:11 <OTTDmaster> secondly changes to a running game are *DANGEROUS* 17:56:59 <fMads> fint what title? I found the newgrf-settings in the cfg file i used on the gui-pc.. but, when i try the cfg on the server, it can't find the newgrf-file :/ 17:57:27 <OTTDmaster> though I'm not sure whether the game reads the .cfg during a game 17:58:22 <Wolf01> back on the NADP project, I hope to be able to do something useful today 17:58:41 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 17:58:44 <fMads> i only reload the cfg when i restart the server.. 17:59:04 *** Guest19 [~frank@p5DDFE8AE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:00:16 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:04:48 <Rubidium> fMads: OpenTTD needs the right path to the NewGRF in the configuration file under the (IIRC) [newgrfs] section. 18:05:02 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 18:05:06 <fMads> Do you know where the NewGRF .tar-file should be on ubuntu? I've tried different folders, but always get "ini: ignoring invalid NewGRF 'AveiMils_PIGM-0.5.1\AveiMil_PIGM.grf': not found" 18:05:19 <Rubidium> fMads: try replacing the \ with a / 18:06:33 <fMads> That did it :D Thanks! And to you OTTDmaster also :) 18:06:35 <Wolf01> how do I save a variable in the savegame? 18:07:22 <OTTDmaster> ;) No problem! 18:09:22 <Wolf01> I think I must use WriteValue and ReadValue, but I'm not sure 18:11:45 <Wolf01> or are the SlWriteByte and sisters? 18:11:46 <frosch123> a single variable? 18:11:51 <Wolf01> yes 18:11:56 <Wolf01> the date 18:12:08 <frosch123> misc_sl.cpp 18:12:37 <frosch123> add it to _date_desc and _date_check_desc 18:12:50 <Wolf01> oh, good, thank you 18:12:51 <frosch123> with appropiate savegame version number of course 18:13:02 <Wolf01> yes, that was the first thing I did 18:13:53 *** Priski [priski@lakka.kapsi.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:20:53 <Wolf01> mmmh, probably I messed up something, I can't understand why it asserts on fract < DAY_TICKS :/ 18:21:24 * OTTDmaster feels sorry for Wolf01 18:21:42 <Wolf01> ah, broken savegame... made with the old daylength patch 18:21:48 <planetmaker> :-D 18:22:15 <planetmaker> I probably once should also purge my savegame dir. There's so much crap around... 18:22:20 <planetmaker> half of it will crash openttd 18:23:51 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has joined #openttd 18:24:32 <DanMacK> Hey all 18:25:15 <Wolf01> it's interesting how the time passes... I saved the game on Jan 22nd, loaded it and is Feb 22nd :P 18:26:06 <Wolf01> now I must really load the variable instead of throw its value away 18:26:24 <OTTDmaster> Argh! The daylength patch means I'm in Feb 12th D: 18:26:34 <OTTDmaster> :P 18:27:34 <Wolf01> this is not the daylenth patch 18:29:26 *** LordAro [d92b6a8e@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 18:30:38 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:32:09 <Wolf01> gah, followed the references, the functions was 10 lines under my last modify :E 18:34:03 *** JOHN-SHEPARD__ [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-175-215.w86-209.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:36:29 <OTTDmaster> hello LordAro? 18:36:46 <LordAro> hello OTTDmaster :) 18:37:19 <Wolf01> ok, at least in the fileio gui shows the right month 18:37:44 *** OTTDmaster [561b9bc6@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 18:38:02 *** JOHN-SHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-175-215.w86-209.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 18:38:06 <Wolf01> but I really can't understand how to put the new _load_check_data.fake_date variable to _fake_date global variable :/ 18:41:25 <dihedral> hello 18:41:40 <Wolf01> hello dih 18:42:27 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:44:25 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 18:45:11 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=924382#p924382 <- wtf 18:45:37 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r21770 /trunk/src/lang/ (latvian.txt portuguese.txt serbian.txt): 18:45:37 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:37 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: latvian - 135 changes by dzhins 18:45:37 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: portuguese - 4 changes by JayCity 18:45:37 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: serbian - 1 changes by etran 18:47:27 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:47:50 <dihedral> can we rename bugs.openttd.org to george.openttd.org? 18:51:39 *** Nite [5472b1fc@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 18:51:50 *** enr1x [~kiike@95.23.103.223] has joined #openttd 18:51:52 <Nite> Hi 18:53:10 <Nite> will setting autoservice off for trains individually ever be implemented ? (or is it in the beta and i didnt get it?) 18:53:39 * planetmaker loves questions like 'will XY be implemented' 18:54:41 <Nite> so it isnt there or is it? 18:55:09 <planetmaker> afaik it's a global setting 18:55:33 <planetmaker> but you can always give a train explicit service orders. then it won't be subject to automatic service orders anymore 18:56:27 <Nite> true that but before that i have to set a high number for service intervall (like 800) 18:56:30 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Quit: On snow, everyone can follow your traces] 18:56:37 <Nite> thats a lot of klicking 18:57:37 <Nite> a infinite or zero setting per singel klick is what i imagine 18:57:50 <Nite> you cant even type the days in 18:58:21 *** __ln__ [~lauri@ssh.ksenos.fi] has joined #openttd 18:58:26 <Nite> just would be very small but nice to have it 18:58:36 <__ln__> the rumours of my ping timeout are greatly exaggerated 18:59:12 <glx> there's a setting for default service interval IIRC 18:59:17 *** fmauneko [~fmauneko@88.166.241.226] has quit [Quit: fmauneko] 18:59:39 <Nite> true 18:59:51 <frosch123> [19:38] <Wolf01> but I really can't understand how to put the new _load_check_data.fake_date variable to _fake_date global variable :/ <- you don't 19:00:22 <frosch123> _date_check_desc is for _load_check_data.fake_date, _date_desc is for _fake_date 19:00:26 *** lewymati2 [~lewymati@dynamic-78-8-246-214.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined #openttd 19:00:51 <Wolf01> then it should already bork, but it doesn't :( 19:00:57 <Nite> thats the thing: you can only off autoservice global/server side and only if breakdowns are off 19:01:04 <frosch123> don't mess them up, else you modify the current game while selecting another game in the save dialog 19:01:52 <Nite> well i get around by klicking - a lot ... 19:02:18 <Nite> well - well 19:02:48 <Nite> ahem i got that out now - cya 19:03:04 *** Nite [5472b1fc@ircip2.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 19:04:43 *** lewymati [~lewymati@dynamic-78-8-246-214.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:04:44 <Wolf01> frosch123: http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/NADP_r21769_v0.4.diff 19:05:04 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@186.182.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 19:05:46 *** APTX [~APTX@89-77-244-8.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 19:06:09 *** APTX [~APTX@89-77-244-8.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 19:06:18 <LordAro> [18:45] dihedral: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=924382#p924382 <- wtf <-- give him a chance, he's learning, and i don't think he understands the importance of lmza/xz yet... :) 19:07:12 * Wolf01 hunting time 19:07:23 <dihedral> esp not on the server end - but then it's not quite the moment to spread such a horrible advice 19:07:26 <dihedral> it's utter bullshit 19:09:28 <LordAro> that is true :) i'll tell him next time 19:13:54 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 19:14:00 *** enr1x [~kiike@95.23.103.223] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 19:14:41 *** enr1x [~kiike@95.23.103.223] has joined #openttd 19:15:16 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 19:21:13 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@186.182.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Quit: The bad thing about quit messages is that you never know how people react to them.] 19:22:21 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 19:22:24 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 19:29:01 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:33:48 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4db808ca.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:35:04 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.31.74] has joined #openttd 19:42:55 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 19:50:01 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 19:50:19 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has joined #openttd 19:53:23 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has joined #openttd 19:59:56 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4db808ca.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:12:11 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 20:13:47 *** bash0r [~stefan@vpn.ovh.net] has joined #openttd 20:14:51 <bash0r> salut 20:15:11 <dihedral> that nick's just calling for it 20:15:17 *** perk111 [~perk11@178.34.31.74] has joined #openttd 20:15:29 <Rubidium> good evening bash0r 20:15:51 <planetmaker> moin 20:16:46 <dihedral> <- should go on sensetivity training :-P 20:16:57 <planetmaker> dihedral: yes 20:17:38 <dihedral> :-) 20:17:51 <dihedral> perhaps next time i realize a little earlier :-D 20:18:09 <planetmaker> bash0r: care to follow my invite? :-) 20:19:02 <bash0r> a bit busy ...now 20:19:09 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.31.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:19:16 <planetmaker> oi, ok :-) Well. We'll stay in that channel 20:20:28 *** Markavian [~Markavian@CPE-60-224-82-14.wxzr1.win.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 20:28:19 <Eddi|zuHause> "if there were elections next sunday, the FDP (liberals) will not reach the 5% barrier" 20:28:26 <Eddi|zuHause> "sadly, there are never elections when you need them" 20:28:33 *** Markavian [~Markavian@CPE-60-224-82-14.wxzr1.win.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:29:34 <planetmaker> :-D 20:31:26 <Eddi|zuHause> the real question is: if there actually were elections, what would you do then? with 46%, the red/green coalition wouldn't have a majority either 20:32:26 <Eddi|zuHause> they _really_ won't let the left take part in a government in the next 20 years... 20:32:44 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 20:34:26 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-164.dslextreme.com] has joined #openttd 20:38:34 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:41:14 *** hoax_ [U2FsdGVkX1@dhcp-077-249-151-209.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:44:39 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:45:49 <__ln__> http://superuser.com/questions/231273/what-are-the-windows-a-and-b-drives-used-for 20:47:28 *** Priski [priski@lakka.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 20:48:40 <Eddi|zuHause> hysterical raisins 20:49:03 *** DayDreamer1 [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 20:49:19 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:50:01 <dihedral> what if they just asked all the wrong people for that calculation? :-P 20:50:35 *** hoax [U2FsdGVkX1@dhcp-077-249-151-209.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 20:51:16 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8412.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:52:13 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [] 20:54:23 *** DayDreamer1 [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:58:57 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 21:00:00 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 21:01:10 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has joined #openttd 21:02:05 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:08:17 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.53.169] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:10:52 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 21:12:22 <supermop> hello 21:12:32 <dihedral> hello :-) 21:12:37 <dihedral> planetmaker, how was that :-P 21:12:48 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 21:13:35 <supermop> hi andy 21:13:36 <planetmaker> lovely :) 21:14:56 <andythenorth> hola 21:15:26 * andythenorth seeks commits 21:15:40 <supermop> what amazing things can I eavesdrop on today? 21:15:40 <Terkhen> hola andythenorth 21:16:11 <andythenorth> Terkhen: we could set up an rv-wagons repo :o 21:16:21 <andythenorth> it's almost like writing the actual code 21:16:33 <andythenorth> or alternatively, it's good procrastination technique :P 21:16:42 <Terkhen> but without doing anything either complicated or useful... I like that 21:16:47 <andythenorth> like my endless boxes of lego for models I don't have time to build :P 21:17:01 <Terkhen> :D 21:17:27 <Terkhen> I still have to check the code related to our last discussion 21:19:37 <Terkhen> honestly, I don't know where to start, as there are too much things to modify 21:20:12 <Terkhen> perhaps adding the required functions and data structures to the RoadVehicle class without actually using them could be a good start 21:20:18 <Terkhen> or even better, unifying them into GroundVehicle 21:20:32 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:22:42 <andythenorth> Terkhen: build one to throw away? 21:22:53 <andythenorth> i.e. hack at it until you've figured out how to do it? 21:23:07 <andythenorth> shall we set up a repo? 21:23:28 <andythenorth> at the moment I'm only really interested in doing collaborative stuff....so I'd be very happy to hack at it with you 21:24:16 <dihedral> good night 21:24:18 <frosch123> unifiying the HasArticulatedPart/GetNextArticPart would be nice 21:24:23 <Rubidium> andythenorth: are you good at drawing in the original Transport Tycoon Deluxe style? 21:24:27 <frosch123> but they would need to include ships and aircraft 21:24:37 <Terkhen> hmm... I'm not sure if a repo is needed... as long as we do unification codechanges they can be standalone 21:24:39 <Terkhen> good night dihedral 21:24:43 <andythenorth> Rubidium: I try to be 21:24:48 <andythenorth> some people say I'm not : 21:24:49 <andythenorth> :P 21:24:57 <frosch123> e.g. take a look at the loop in IsArticulatedVehicleCarryingDifferentCargos() 21:25:07 <frosch123> there are lots of functions with such weird switch cases 21:25:11 <Terkhen> let's see, but the name is already scary 21:26:00 <Rubidium> andythenorth: you could collaborate on the 1.1 release by trying to draw reasonable river graphics ;) 21:26:00 <frosch123> you can find the same in CmdCloneVehicle :) 21:26:24 <andythenorth> water is a pig to draw 21:26:29 <andythenorth> are these for openttd.grf? 21:26:35 <andythenorth> i.e. *not* openGFX style 21:26:56 <Rubidium> andythenorth: yes, for openttd.grf 21:27:11 <Rubidium> and it's mostly the edges and the "waterfall" 21:27:42 <andythenorth> I could have a go 21:27:47 <andythenorth> I won't start it tonight 21:28:01 <andythenorth> I'm away this weekend, but remind me next week and I'll do it 21:28:11 <andythenorth> I had to learn to draw water for the FIRS sand pit 21:28:25 <Rubidium> http://hg.openttdcoop.org/opengfx/raw-file/07ece6c1656d/sprites/png/waterfeatures.png <- some inspiration of the sprites that'd be needed 21:28:40 <Terkhen> IsArticulatedVehicleCarryingDifferentCargos does not seem very complicated, but CmdCloneVehicle deals with reverse direction code 21:28:57 <Terkhen> and I couldn't understand at all the road vehicle implementation last time I checked it 21:29:06 <Terkhen> but that's something that would be nice to have unified to 21:29:10 <Terkhen> too* 21:29:15 <andythenorth> Rubidium does the river need to flow? 21:29:20 <andythenorth> the current ones look weird due to the flow 21:29:53 <Rubidium> only on the waterfalls I'd say 21:29:58 <supermop> watertypes? 21:29:58 <frosch123> Terkhen: i just mean those if train then Train::GetNextAtricPart, if rv then RoadVehicle::GetNextArticPart, else NULL 21:30:37 <andythenorth> supermop: if I ever achieve roadtypes, I might look at watertypes 21:30:38 *** clum` [~clum@92.8.121.51] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:30:46 <andythenorth> but currently that's a *loooong* way off 21:31:35 <Terkhen> if all vehicles get a GetNextArticPart function that should be trivial to unify 21:31:50 <supermop> i am taking random guesses at why you are being enlisted to draw ogfx water 21:32:21 <Terkhen> OpenGFX already has rivers 21:32:49 <Rubidium> supermop: what makes you think it's for OpenGFX? 21:33:12 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has joined #openttd 21:34:16 <supermop> Rubidium: wild and irresponsible speculation 21:34:20 <andythenorth> this is just to improve current rivers isn't it? 21:34:28 <andythenorth> i.e. provide river banks? 21:34:33 <supermop> ah ha 21:34:35 <Rubidium> andythenorth: yes 21:34:57 *** clum [~clum@92.8.121.51] has joined #openttd 21:37:17 <Wolf01> 'night 21:37:21 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host66-236-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:54:54 *** clum [~clum@92.8.121.51] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:56:15 *** clum [~clum@92.8.121.51] has joined #openttd 21:58:42 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dre@92.30.156.129] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:59:03 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dre@92.30.156.129] has joined #openttd 22:01:53 *** keky_ [~stefan@p5DDED0A9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:02:45 <Terkhen> good night 22:03:54 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8412.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:04:27 <planetmaker> g'night Terkhen 22:04:42 <Zuu> Dho. So I've made myself the burden of booting up my old computer only to find out I already got the OTTDAU sources on the desktop of my current computer. :-D 22:05:54 <Zuu> Good night Terkhen 22:06:45 <andythenorth> good night 22:06:55 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 22:08:55 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm still reading "ott DAU" every time you say that :p 22:08:58 *** bash0r [~stefan@vpn.ovh.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:09:53 <Zuu> hehe 22:10:09 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:10:40 * Zuu figures I "should" use extra electricity when the non-fixed electricity price is high to make up for my fixed rate :-) 22:12:18 *** elmz_ [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 22:12:50 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe86de00-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 22:17:08 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:19:08 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:22:50 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 22:23:48 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 22:24:43 *** fMads [~fMads@0169900013.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [] 22:25:17 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has quit [Quit: Good bye] 22:27:50 <supermop> Zuu: get some pumped storage 22:28:17 <Zuu> pumped? 22:28:37 <Zuu> Ah you mean for puting heat in the ground? 22:28:47 <Zuu> That's hard when you live in an apartment. 22:29:16 <supermop> what I meant is even harder: 22:30:00 <supermop> use your 'cheap' electricity to pump water up a mountain, then if your rate goes up, let it drive a turbine on the way down 22:33:01 * Prof_Frink gives supermop an electric mountain 22:35:25 <George> Do running cost affect wagons? So, if non 0 running cost is set to a wagon, would the running cost of a train be higher? 22:37:54 <Zuu> supermop: That will not work as I pay the same rate all year around. Or well. I haven't received a bill yet but I suppose I will get one some day (moved in 3-4 months ago). 22:38:30 <supermop> yes, sell the rest to your neighbors 22:38:58 <supermop> or store it on that mountain for a long time 22:41:45 * DanMacK hasn't seen running costs on wagons before 22:41:47 <frosch123> George: might work, try it. but you likely also need to assign a running cost base 22:42:52 <frosch123> it won't work for articulated parts btw. 22:43:12 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:43:36 <DanMacK> hey George, was the xUSSR landscape ever released as a grf file? 22:43:52 <George> you mean that I have to specify running cost for the whole articulated wagon for the first part, while the rest parts would have it 0 22:44:11 <George> DanMacK: Alpha version was 22:44:21 <frosch123> yes, that is also written in the specs 22:44:23 <DanMacK> it avaialble anywhere? 22:44:34 <frosch123> see the column "available for articulated parts" 22:45:36 <supermop> DanMack, doesn't 2cc set have wagon running costs? 22:45:46 <George> DanMacK: If I'm not mistaken - http://george.zernebok.net/download/xUSSRstaticobjectsw.rar 22:46:52 <DanMacK> supermop, don't know, haven't used it 22:48:39 <DanMacK> Thansk George, looking forward to using it with the Russian set 22:49:39 <George> Under development 22:50:17 <George> FS#4399 would help me a lot 22:50:27 <George> And even more :) 22:55:16 <DanMacK> What's #4399? 22:56:18 <Yexo> @bug 4399 22:56:18 <DorpsGek> Yexo: Temporary Offline 22:56:25 <Yexo> @fs 4399 22:56:25 <DorpsGek> Yexo: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/4399 22:56:39 <SmatZ> @help bug 22:56:39 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 22:56:42 <SmatZ> bah 22:56:56 <__ln__> DorpsGek: did you mean: temporarily 22:57:11 <Yexo> George: can't you get the id of the first part already with var C9 via the related type? 22:57:59 <DorpsGek> __ln__: yes, sorry, I meant temporarily , thanks for correcting me 22:58:12 <frosch123> not work wagons 22:58:16 <frosch123> only for front engines 22:58:25 <frosch123> and both will not work in purchase list 22:58:58 <frosch123> so i quite favour to finally get some solution for articulated ids >= 7F :) 22:59:08 <George> frosch123: COOL! 23:00:34 * Zuu found out that r21635 broke OTTDAU which rely on the existence of "Development" string in the version string to detect trunk versions. A OTTDAU-change is quite trivial though but needs client modification. 23:01:04 <Yexo> frosch123: any specific ideas on how to do that? 23:01:29 <frosch123> either trash the work-intensive parts from version 8, and just do the rest 23:01:38 <Eddi|zuHause> Zuu: didn't you build an OTTDAUAU into OTTDAU? ;) 23:01:43 <frosch123> or add some bit in some misc-property to indicate the new callback result format 23:01:52 <Zuu> Eddi|zuHause: Yes I did :-) 23:02:04 <Hirundo> what parts of version 8 would qualify as work-intensive? 23:02:22 <frosch123> the "bool"-callback result stuff 23:02:54 <frosch123> the rest is quite easy resp. already archieved via action14 23:03:43 <Zuu> Only problem is that it will no longer be able to differentiate between branch and trunk nightlies, though I would be suprised if we see anymore SVN branches. 23:04:16 <Eddi|zuHause> version-8-related questions: are there any plans to do away with the bit-15-marks-callback-result weirdness? 23:04:26 <Zuu> Hmm, wrong by me 23:04:35 <Hirundo> from an NML point of view, moving all 'special' result values to >=0x400, thus making the full D000-D3FF range available would be quite useful 23:04:50 <Zuu> the SVN branches also had "Development" in their version string. 23:04:58 <Zuu> So I sholud shut up and make my change ;-) 23:05:16 <frosch123> i guess the rest is: default cargo as cargo bit, remove the 0xffxy old-callback result, move mirror bit of articulated parts to bit 14, always call callback 15 also when not refitted 23:05:34 <frosch123> oh, and no more fallback stuff for cost multipliers 23:05:46 <Eddi|zuHause> Zuu: development shifted kinda to hg rather than svn-branches 23:06:00 <Eddi|zuHause> but that doesn't mean there won't be any branches in the future 23:06:01 <Zuu> Indeed 23:06:09 <Zuu> so it is not really anything worth to consider. 23:06:27 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 23:06:37 <Hirundo> what's so bad about the bool CB stuff? 23:06:54 <Zuu> and even still they use the shema of r<number>-<branch> so they are able to separate from trunk nightlies. 23:07:01 <frosch123> most of them are result == 0 resp. result != 0 23:07:12 <frosch123> if they were == 0 and == 1 you could return more stuff 23:07:23 <frosch123> e.g. autoslope callbacks are hillariously useless 23:08:23 *** enr1x [~kiike@95.23.103.223] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:08:53 <frosch123> and cb 19, 1d, 31, an 37 need some unifying wrt. special results 23:10:44 <frosch123> yeah, quite what you say. making everything >= 400 would be nice 23:11:41 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: i am quite sure the next branch will be called 1.1 23:12:04 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: those are release branches, not development branches ;) 23:12:26 <Hirundo> ah bummer, I'd surely have expected the NewAwesomeMapArray branch before 1.1 23:13:01 <Eddi|zuHause> i was gonna say that... "development branches" are things like "newmap" or "cargodest" ;) 23:13:25 <DanMacK> George, you working on a new train set? 23:13:50 <George> New? xUSSR is an OLD project 23:13:53 <frosch123> we could also make the action14 palette information mandatory for version 8 23:14:17 <DanMacK> just wondering what wagons were gettign the running costs :) 23:14:58 <George> Powered. For example refs 23:15:29 <DanMacK> ahhhh, gotcha 23:15:43 <DanMacK> Interesting idea... 23:17:49 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-5f72f2a0.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:18:37 <frosch123> night 23:18:40 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d0089c9.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:23:15 <DanMacK> That for an actual set or just a general question? lol 23:27:13 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AC3E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:29:39 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.53.169] has joined #openttd 23:30:36 <Zuu> Sweet comment "// If there is a compilation error here - try Shift + F9 or Ctrl + F9" :-D 23:31:17 <Zuu> Worked this time too 23:31:55 <Eddi|zuHause> sounds like stuff related to random/incorrect compilation order... 23:32:46 <Eddi|zuHause> or missing dependencuies that will get handled by making a full recompile 23:32:58 <DanMacK> Night all 23:33:04 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 23:37:48 <Eddi|zuHause> "Network bandwidth may be low" <-- geez... tell me something i don't know... 23:46:04 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:50:40 *** lewymati2 [~lewymati@dynamic-78-8-246-214.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [] 23:56:58 <z-MaTRiX> hey-ho 23:57:04 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has joined #openttd