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Log for #openttd on 13th April 2011:
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00:02:29  <Wolf01> 'night
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06:45:55  * andythenorth ponders
06:46:26  <andythenorth> it would be really useful to have some magic that returned the correct slope-aware ground tile to an action 2
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07:21:00  <LordAro> moin
07:23:53  <Markk> Moinmoin
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07:40:08  <LordAro> http://i55.tinypic.com/2yy8rpu.jpg <- how's this?
07:40:33  <Markk> Sehr gut.
07:40:41  <Markk> Looks really good.
07:40:49  <Markk> Neat to have the readme so handy.
07:40:50  <Markk> :)
07:45:55  <Terkhen> good morning
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07:54:30  <andythenorth> hi Terkhen
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07:59:52  <LordAro> hi Terkhen, see the image above?
08:00:16  <LordAro> Markk: yeah, except you can't view the readme yet ;) thats just the window...
08:00:58  <Terkhen> yes, I have seen it
08:02:58  <Markk> LordAro: Nah, just a minor issue. :D
08:03:12  <LordAro> i was wondering about the colour, and the size - it seems a little small, and the colour seems too similar to other windows, thoughts?
08:03:45  <Terkhen> IMO it should have the same color than the NewGRF window
08:04:05  <Terkhen> and, if the lenght of the readme allows it, the window should resize to show it completely
08:04:56  <LordAro> ok...
08:06:09  <LordAro> so the colour is fine, and it needs some fancy auto-window-resize when viewing readme is implemented
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08:19:57  <planetmaker> moin
08:20:22  <planetmaker> LordAro: you probably want to make the default height quite a bit larger
08:20:29  <planetmaker> and maybe the width also
08:20:47  <planetmaker> One can't read properly a text file in a micro-window ;-)
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08:36:59  <Wolf01> hello
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08:46:11  <dihedral> good morning
08:50:59  <LordAro> planetmaker: suggestions? it is currently 400x140 (same as news history gui)
08:56:01  <Ammler> same size as default bananas window
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09:04:44  <Ammler> with should at least have space for 80-100 letters
09:04:51  <Ammler> width*
09:06:01  <LordAro> how's this: http://i51.tinypic.com/sb4f3o.png - seems a little big to me...
09:09:17  <Terkhen> I don't think you should worry about window size until you can check how it looks when displaying real readmes
09:09:46  <LordAro> i like doing things in the wrong order :P
09:10:17  <LordAro> can someone check the coding style of the patch - http://pastebin.com/Rvs73Ejq (code in wrong order/place or whatever)
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09:11:00  <Terkhen> then you like doing things twice
09:12:16  <Terkhen> line 206: //View GRF readme <-- space between // and View
09:12:26  <Ammler> oh, I thought it is already working but early houses doesn't have a readme :-)
09:14:09  <LordAro> pfft, yeah, cos i'm that good at coding... :')
09:14:20  <Ammler> I just wanted to suggest another idea: limited support for rst, but then that is too early ;-)
09:14:47  <LordAro> far too early, and probably not covered by this patch :P
09:16:08  <Ammler> or markdown
09:17:04  <LordAro> images in readmes is certainly a no-no IMHO
09:17:37  <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: i thought the consensus was to implement opening a browser instead
09:17:59  <Ammler> :-D
09:18:38  <LordAro> g2g, back soon (maybe)
09:19:17  <Ammler> rst/markdown have no images support afaik do they?
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09:22:49  <dihedral> where is that logic gate thread with the train counter? anybody got an idea?
09:23:22  <dihedral> found it
09:27:31  <andythenorth> Yexo: is var 69 for industries a serious possibility?
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09:37:47  <andythenorth> industry probability at map gen is proportional to all other industries?
09:38:07  <andythenorth> so if some industries can't be built in say 1830, I'm going to get a lot more of the ones that can be built?
09:43:47  <andythenorth> seems to be the case anyway
09:43:54  <andythenorth> makes testing a bit...complex
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10:13:47  <Hirundo> LordAro: Make the WC_GRF_PARAMETERS -> WC_NEWGRF_PARAMETERS change a separate patch
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10:47:17  <George> Hi, Where can I read about about extended tile action 2?
10:48:06  <George> Searching tt-forums did not help :(
10:48:31  <George> Andy said me about it, but could not give the link ^(
10:50:17  <planetmaker> George, on frosch's user page in the openttd wiki
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10:51:05  <planetmaker> http://wiki.openttd.org/Frosch/Extended_Sprite_Layout
10:55:19  <George> hm, would be nice. But why not to epand on vehicles too? ;)
10:55:57  <planetmaker> vehicles don't have ground sprites
10:56:56  <planetmaker> IMHO it would be different things, thus different work
10:57:13  <planetmaker> vehicles also have no child sprites
10:57:45  <planetmaker> and no sprite layout at all.
11:01:30  <George> But if they would it be nice ;)
11:03:13  <planetmaker> yes, it would. But it's an entirely different topic ;-)
11:04:10  <planetmaker> and the larger a topic or patch gets the less likely or lengthy any trunk inclusion gets due to an exponential increase in possible border cases...
11:09:24  <andythenorth> extended sprite layout would be very nice to have
11:09:27  <andythenorth> lets keep it simple :)
11:10:21  <andythenorth> hmm
11:10:44  <andythenorth> will it be confusing that the FIRS grain mill has two totally different sets of graphics (windmill: brick building)
11:10:59  <andythenorth> same industry in all other respects
11:12:27  <Yexo> andythenorth: http://devs.openttd.org/~yexo/ind_var68.diff <- bit 8 for ind var 68 tha enables filtering on same town
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11:14:47  <andythenorth> I'll test that this afternoon :)
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11:15:13  <andythenorth> I set bit 8 how? (I should know by now, but never do)
11:15:20  <andythenorth> with the mask?
11:15:35  <andythenorth> or just push a value?
11:15:38  <Yexo> it's bit 8 of register 101
11:15:42  <Yexo> so something like this:
11:16:43  <Yexo> 1A 20 \wx0100 (var 1A, mask 0x0100) sto 1A 00 \wx0101 (operation store, var 1A, mask 0x101 (=register number))
11:17:16  <Yexo> the above is assuming that you use type 85 for the varaction2, so everything is word-sized
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11:28:28  <andythenorth> thanks
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11:34:35  <andythenorth> Yexo: any thoughts on backwards compatibility if I use this var?
11:34:42  <andythenorth> seems I might need to consider it...
11:35:03  <Yexo> in openttd versions that don't support it that bit will be ignored
11:35:23  <andythenorth> so I'll get a count for the map, not the town...
11:35:27  <Yexo> yes
11:37:07  <andythenorth> that will cause non-ideal but not failing results
11:38:00  <andythenorth> I can always wait to implement it in FIRS until it's in a 1.1.x openttd
11:38:30  <Yexo> certainly don't implement it in FIRS now, frosch (or someone else) might have another idea on how to implement it
11:38:45  <andythenorth> but I should test your patch works?
11:38:54  <andythenorth> it's no drama to test
11:38:58  <Yexo> if you want to, it's not really necesary
11:39:09  <andythenorth> ok...maybe I work on some other tickets then :)
11:39:38  <andythenorth> is it useful to raise a FS about this idea?
11:39:57  <Yexo> yes, it makes sure it's not forgotten
11:41:20  <andythenorth> is this task not done?
11:41:21  <andythenorth> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1423?project=1&string=town+industry&search_name=&type%5B0%5D=&sev%5B0%5D=&pri%5B0%5D=&due%5B0%5D=&reported%5B0%5D=&cat%5B0%5D=&status%5B0%5D=open&percent%5B0%5D=&opened=&dev=&closed=&duedatefrom=&duedateto=&changedfrom=&changedto=&openedfrom=&openedto=&closedfrom=&closedto=&pagenum=2
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11:41:26  <andythenorth> I make industry on water a lot :)
11:41:51  <andythenorth> or do I misunderstand that ticket?
11:42:35  <Yexo> I don't understand the task completely, it might be done indeed
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11:51:06  <andythenorth> the newgrf documentation wrt town zones seems sparse
11:51:15  <andythenorth> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=VarAction2Cities
11:51:19  <andythenorth> am I looking in the wrong place?
11:52:09  <Yexo> no, that's probably all there is
11:52:12  <andythenorth> ho
11:52:17  <andythenorth> how interesting
11:52:27  <planetmaker> houses have more elaborate treatise on it afaik
11:52:32  <Yexo> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=VarAction2Houses#Town_zone_42_ <- doesn't have much more either
11:52:33  <andythenorth> I was hoping to do this ticket
11:52:34  <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1627
11:52:44  <andythenorth> but I don't really understand yet what's required
11:52:59  <andythenorth> do town zones expand over time?
11:53:18  <planetmaker> yes. Radii are a function of town size
11:54:01  <andythenorth> so zone 3 is the town centre
11:54:10  <andythenorth> seems to be out of order
11:54:13  <planetmaker> not always. zone 5
11:54:20  <planetmaker> the highest one is town centre
11:54:22  <andythenorth> how odd
11:54:22  <Yexo> it depends on the town size
11:54:26  <planetmaker> ^
11:54:30  * andythenorth might duck this ticket
11:54:37  <Yexo> for very big towns, 5 is the center, 0 is at the outskirts
11:54:41  <andythenorth> there is useful other things to do :)
11:54:56  <andythenorth> anyone else got an idea of how to do it?
11:54:58  <Yexo> smaller towns don't have townzone 5, so 4 (or 3, 2. etc.) will be the center, 0 is still the outskirts of the town
11:55:08  <andythenorth> ok
11:55:27  <Yexo> reading that ticket it seems you want it to be placed near the border of the towns, right? so always in townzone o (or maybe 1)
11:55:44  <andythenorth> I think so
11:55:52  <andythenorth> I'm not really sure what the gameplay effect will be of that
11:56:22  <andythenorth> only one way to find out...
11:56:42  <andythenorth> meanwhile this is probably a more useful ticket for me: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/855
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12:11:23  <ZirconiumX> hello all
12:11:33  <ZirconiumX> I'm being an idiot as usual
12:11:56  <ZirconiumX> <null> <---- line = (165) column = (1) : error expression expected
12:12:11  <ZirconiumX> it's refering to a nonexistent line
12:12:17  <ZirconiumX> :(
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12:14:57  <glx> always check the previous line
12:16:15  <ZirconiumX> is
12:16:17  <ZirconiumX> /
12:16:26  <ZirconiumX> a comment
12:17:12  <ZirconiumX> else if (getG(s_start) == infinity) { path = null; return false; }
12:17:19  <ZirconiumX> last function
12:17:45  <glx> seems it doesn't now null
12:17:59  <glx> *know
12:18:19  * ZirconiumX has been daft - open expression
12:18:55  <ZirconiumX> I'll wait for Squirrel2 compiler to compile - then I'll see what's what
12:19:58  <ZirconiumX> 8 warnings so far
12:22:14  <ZirconiumX> no - still compalaining - even with the *correct* compiler
12:23:15  <ZirconiumX> <ignore this, OFTC's playing up> /Users/ralphbrades/DStar_update/main.nut line = (165) column = (1) : error expression expected Error [expression expected]
12:23:58  <ZirconiumX> gah
12:24:01  <glx> it's not oftc it's your client ;)
12:24:15  <ZirconiumX> 13:18	coulomb.oftc.net	421: | [0] ZirconiumX, [1] Users/***/DStar_update/main.nut, [2] Unknown command
12:24:29  * ZirconiumX sighs
12:24:38  <glx> yes lines starting with / are commands
12:24:52  <ZirconiumX> I could do with Yexo being around
12:25:24  <glx> anyway the problem is path = null
12:25:42  <ZirconiumX> ok...
12:25:46  <ZirconiumX> it should be
12:25:46  <planetmaker> doesn't sound healthy. Also 'hi glx' :-)
12:25:50  <ZirconiumX> what?
12:26:07  <ZirconiumX> hi planetmaker
12:26:33  <dihedral> hi pm
12:26:34  * ZirconiumX thinks as a general rule - respect op's
12:26:40  <dihedral> ...
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12:26:46  <dihedral> ZirconiumX, respect everybody*
12:26:46  <glx> :)
12:26:49  <dihedral> *except idiots
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12:27:27  <dihedral> lol glx
12:27:28  <dihedral> :-)
12:27:42  <glx> try without the "path = null" stuff to be sure
12:28:10  <ZirconiumX> I'll comment it out
12:28:33  <glx> but keep the return, maybe it's the error
12:28:44  <ZirconiumX> ah - the wonders of vim
12:28:59  <ZirconiumX> :set number
12:29:10  <planetmaker> hello all, also ;-)
12:30:10  <ZirconiumX> the best command - other than :w
12:30:34  * ZirconiumX wonders where life would be without the save button
12:31:19  <ZirconiumX> Users/***/DStar_update/main.nut line = (164) column = (2) : error expression expected Error [expression expected]
12:31:50  <ZirconiumX> } <-- is column 164
12:31:55  <ZirconiumX> all of it
12:32:27  <ZirconiumX> bit of commenting later
12:32:44  <ZirconiumX> clean
12:33:45  * andythenorth_ wonders what to do with Fruit & Veg in FIRS
12:34:14  <ZirconiumX> sell it for ridiculous amounts of moneyz
12:34:25  <andythenorth_> option 1 - deliver to stores (but they already have max input cargos)
12:34:34  <andythenorth_> option 2 - market industry in town, it's a black hole
12:34:42  <andythenorth_> option 3 - process into food
12:34:47  <ZirconiumX> food
12:35:05  <ZirconiumX> or supermarket
12:35:06  <andythenorth_> it's the most logical
12:35:10  <andythenorth_> (food)
12:35:14  <andythenorth_> which is most fun?
12:35:15  <ZirconiumX> ok
12:35:30  <ZirconiumX> food then supermarket
12:36:02  <ZirconiumX> <idiot> burn it *maniacal eyes* </idiot
12:36:24  * ZirconiumX most stop being noobish
12:36:33  <ZirconiumX> oh - damn
12:37:05  <ZirconiumX> the path = null thing is fine
12:37:39  <planetmaker> hm... market... could be interesting :-)
12:37:57  <andythenorth_> I wonder about that
12:38:08  <andythenorth_> I could transform 'store' into market
12:38:11  <ZirconiumX> what if you have a higher price for fruit and Veg in desert
12:38:13  <andythenorth_> but I don't have enough input cargos
12:38:34  <planetmaker> a few black holes don't hurt. But... hm... why then transform 'store' and not keep it?
12:38:45  <andythenorth_> clutter on minimap?
12:38:54  <andythenorth_> I *could* transform store into hardware store
12:39:02  <andythenorth_> and have it accept goods and building materials
12:39:09  <andythenorth_> instead of food / goods / alcohol
12:39:16  <ZirconiumX> and then have a supermarket for the food
12:39:20  <andythenorth_> then add a market
12:39:26  * ZirconiumX thinks supermarkets are important
12:39:28  <andythenorth_> market gets beer, food, fruit
12:39:29  <planetmaker> hm... and there it is again: varying input for an industry :-P
12:39:41  <andythenorth_> planetmaker: it's technically possible
12:39:45  <andythenorth_> is it a good idea though?
12:40:04  <andythenorth_> stores that accept a random set of cargos on build?
12:40:04  <planetmaker> I still don't know ;-) - I was just reminded of this idea again, though
12:40:10  <ZirconiumX> ah - yes it is the path = null thing
12:40:15  <planetmaker> but yes, that's what I thought of
12:40:24  <planetmaker> And they could have different graphics depending on that.
12:40:37  <andythenorth_> it's possible
12:40:38  <planetmaker> E.g. one accepting fruits could more have a market graphics than a mall
12:40:58  <planetmaker> I think I'd need to really see it alive and kicking before I could make up my mind properly
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12:41:00  <andythenorth_> is it annoying to have to check acceptance?
12:41:05  <andythenorth_> I guess we just have to test
12:41:10  <andythenorth_> I need to start a new game anyway :P
12:41:17  <planetmaker> might be annoying.
12:41:22  <planetmaker> Might be fun
12:41:29  <planetmaker> If it's 3 out of 4 or so
12:41:34  * andythenorth_ ponders
12:41:37  <andythenorth_> it's a black hole...
12:41:43  <andythenorth_> wonder if I can use tile acceptance
12:41:48  <andythenorth_> and ignore industry acceptance
12:41:57  <andythenorth_> probably screws with the industry chains display
12:42:08  <Terkhen> if they have different graphics it's ok, otherwise I would find it annoying
12:42:33  <andythenorth_> simplest thing is to remove fruit + veg cargo :P
12:42:36  <andythenorth_> leaving a gap
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12:43:28  <andythenorth_> there are plenty of farm cargos already...
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12:46:08  * andythenorth_ proposes removing fruit + veg
12:46:11  <andythenorth_> and fruit plantation
12:47:57  <planetmaker> :-(
12:47:57  <LordAro> Hirundo: i have, i just did 'hg diff -r qparent' for simple posting :) Should i post the separate patch so it can be committed? or is it not needed yet?
12:48:12  <andythenorth_> planetmaker: you think an unwise move?
12:48:30  <planetmaker> I don't quite understand the need.
12:48:43  <andythenorth_> it's just not adding much
12:48:49  <andythenorth_> there are another 6 farm cargos to play with
12:48:59  <planetmaker> Fruit is a nice cargo. And I've heart the argument "not adding much" for virtually every cargo...
12:49:00  <andythenorth_> "it's done when there's nothing else left to take away" etc
12:49:27  <andythenorth_> Do you not find it weird that it's only produced at fruit plantation, not at farms also?
12:49:31  <planetmaker> remove every supply except one. remove all ores except one. remove all farm cargos except one.
12:49:32  <andythenorth_> Maybe the name is bothering me
12:49:41  <andythenorth_> Fruit Plantation -> Fruit & Vegetables
12:49:47  <andythenorth_> seems a bit odd
12:49:57  <planetmaker> then use the default fruits
12:49:57  <lugo> seperating supermarket and hardware store/building yard sounds like a great idea to me, just my 2c :)
12:50:18  <andythenorth_> Eddi|zuHause2 was requesting another sink for building materials....
12:50:22  <planetmaker> I never understood why a new cargo needed introducing there. But... for the sake of compatibility, just rename how the string reads
12:50:34  <andythenorth_> "Fruit" only?
12:50:37  <planetmaker> Fruits
12:50:38  <andythenorth_> or rename the industry?
12:50:43  <andythenorth_> Fruits I'm happier with
12:50:52  <andythenorth_> I wonder if fruits includes olives
12:51:01  <andythenorth_> and grapes
12:51:06  <andythenorth_> and apples -> cider
12:51:08  <planetmaker> And if the delivery destinations bothers you: ship them to a food processor and an alcohol plant
12:51:17  <andythenorth_> They go to the brewery already
12:51:20  <andythenorth_> which is good
12:51:22  <planetmaker> grapes, definitely. Olives... dunno
12:51:38  <andythenorth_> I think they need to go to a fruit packer and become food
12:51:47  <andythenorth_> ach, I can't decide :)
12:51:49  <planetmaker> just food factory
12:51:54  <confound> you can have both, can't you?
12:52:04  <andythenorth_> you can, but it makes for odd gameplay
12:52:15  <planetmaker> Like you can make marmelade, juice, cocktails, ... what-not-ever
12:52:18  <confound> because they could turn into food or they could just be delivered directly?
12:52:21  <andythenorth_> this one is silly, I should have figured it out ages ago
12:52:24  <andythenorth_> jam factory :P
12:52:37  <planetmaker> German marmelade = English jam ;-)
12:52:54  <planetmaker> English marmelade = special kind of German marmelade ;-)
12:52:57  <confound> delivering fruits/vegetables directly to supermarket or something seems not crazy to me
12:52:58  <andythenorth_> ok
12:53:00  <planetmaker> nasty false friends
12:53:25  <andythenorth_> if fruit goes direct to supermarket, I have to drop a cargo there
12:53:33  <andythenorth_> probably goods in that case
12:53:42  <planetmaker> hu?
12:53:46  <planetmaker> ah
12:53:49  <planetmaker> nvm me ;-)
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12:53:55  <andythenorth_> currently accepts food / goods / alcohol
12:54:04  <andythenorth_> dropping alcohol is obviously silly
12:54:19  <planetmaker> be British. Only sell it in liquor stores :-P
12:54:27  <planetmaker> Continental Europe then won't get it :-P
12:54:35  <andythenorth_> be British, sell it everywhere, watch all your pubs close down :P
12:54:43  <planetmaker> :-D
12:55:08  <andythenorth_> *not* adding food processor makes for a cleaner minimap
12:55:13  <andythenorth_> and I don't have to draw anything
12:55:26  * andythenorth_ believes someone has recently created a food processor industry :o
12:55:38  <planetmaker> default TTD has a food processor industry
12:55:45  <andythenorth_> I know, but that one sucks
12:55:48  <andythenorth_> it's ugly
12:55:53  <confound> yeah
12:55:58  <planetmaker> it has potential for improvement.
12:56:08  <andythenorth_> I think (1) rename cargo
12:56:08  <confound> I think "food processor" is boring, sadly
12:56:10  <planetmaker> Give me a nicer one which fits the original size and you'll make me happy, too ;-)
12:56:18  <Terkhen> in OpenGFX it looks a bit empty
12:56:24  <planetmaker> ^
12:56:37  <andythenorth_> (2) fruit -> brewery (currently true) and fruit -> market/store (needs adding)
12:56:54  <andythenorth_> and (3) remove goods from store, maybe provide a new destination industry for it
12:57:23  <andythenorth_> is it acceptable to have pluralised industries?
12:57:31  <andythenorth_> e.g. 'shops'
12:57:34  <andythenorth_> 'restaurants'
12:57:37  <confound> "mall" :)
12:57:43  <andythenorth_> mall in 1830?
12:57:49  <confound> well, no,.
12:57:58  <andythenorth_> catering for early games makes this *way* harder sadly
12:58:05  <andythenorth_> if it started in 1950, this would be much easier
12:58:42  <andythenorth_> planetmaker: changing the string implies that really the cargo label should be reverted back to the default...
12:58:51  <andythenorth_> ...not sure whether that's good though wrt savegames
13:00:29  <andythenorth_> ok
13:00:36  <andythenorth_> pure 'fruit' reads better in game
13:01:23  <confound> that makes sense to me
13:01:50  <confound> "Restaurants" could accept fruit, food, and alcohol, though... meh
13:02:19  <Terkhen> what was the reason for using "fruits and vegetables" instead of the default cargo?
13:02:27  <andythenorth_> Not sure
13:02:31  <andythenorth_> lost in the depths of time
13:02:43  <andythenorth_> I'd happily revert, except for breakage concerns
13:03:08  <andythenorth_> might be able to change only the label, which might not freak out too badly for well-made sets
13:03:11  <andythenorth_> dunno
13:03:27  <andythenorth_> if Store was Food Store this would suddenly make a lot more sense
13:03:43  <andythenorth_> Fruit, Food, Alcohol
13:03:55  <andythenorth_> it's fun :)
13:05:09  <andythenorth_> which is better?
13:05:12  <andythenorth_> Food Store?
13:05:14  <andythenorth_> Food Market?
13:05:21  <andythenorth_> for EU and US readers both?
13:05:24  <confound> of those two, I like Market better (US)
13:05:33  <confound> Food Store sounds very generic
13:05:40  <andythenorth_> planetmaker: Terkhen ?
13:06:32  * andythenorth_ thinks Food Market
13:06:36  <Terkhen> they sound all the same to me, probably because they share the same translation in spanish :)
13:06:42  <andythenorth_> oh ok
13:06:54  <andythenorth_> which is (out of interest)?
13:07:21  <Terkhen> mercado (market)
13:07:35  * andythenorth_ should know that
13:07:53  <andythenorth_> Food Market wins
13:08:10  <andythenorth_> that means a new industry is needed for Goods / BDMT
13:08:16  <Terkhen> "mercado de alimentación" (food market) is too long and usually is not used, so I would translate that as just "mercado"
13:10:00  <andythenorth_> would that conflict with some other shop types? Like hardware store?
13:10:49  <Terkhen> no, that has a specific name in spanish
13:11:09  <andythenorth_> ok
13:11:18  <andythenorth_> should Builders Yard also accept Goods?
13:11:24  <andythenorth_> that would be one way to avoid needing a new industry
13:11:29  <Terkhen> which industries produce goods right now?
13:11:44  <andythenorth_> http://tt-foundry.com/sets/FIRS/schema/schema/cargo_details?cargo_type=goods&economy=point_7_release
13:14:02  <Terkhen> hmm.. it does not make much sense for industries such as the textile mill
13:14:40  <andythenorth_> indeed
13:14:53  <andythenorth_> Carpets?
13:15:23  <andythenorth_> I need something like this: http://www.gardinerhaskins.co.uk/
13:15:29  <andythenorth_> which is also valid back to 1800s
13:15:41  <LordAro> there must be a way of simplifying this code: http://pastebin.com/LWrJQEVW - i can't get my head round the logic of it :)
13:18:05  <Terkhen> LordAro: if this->avail_sel is NULL, wouldn't it fail in the second line?
13:18:13  <Terkhen> andythenorth_: true :)
13:18:23  <Yexo> LordAro: first write down (in english) when you want the button to be disabled
13:18:44  <Belugas> hello
13:19:06  <andythenorth_> hi Belugas
13:19:12  <LordAro> ok, i thought i may have to resort ot that... (yexo)
13:19:22  <andythenorth_> Belugas: what industry accepts Goods and Building Materials? :)
13:19:23  <LordAro> *to
13:20:26  <LordAro> Terkhen: s/simplifying/correcting/ ;)
13:20:48  * andythenorth_ thinks it has to be Hardware Store
13:20:52  <andythenorth_> any objections?
13:21:54  <Belugas> hem... right...
13:22:19  <andythenorth_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardware_store
13:24:53  <andythenorth_> 'Ironmonger' is probably a bit UK specific
13:30:59  <andythenorth_> pah
13:31:08  <andythenorth_> now I have to code another fricking industry :|
13:41:56  <andythenorth_> "Hotel / Restaurant" is a sucky name for an industry
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13:42:08  <andythenorth_> they shouldn't need '/' in their names
13:42:13  <andythenorth_> What's better?
13:42:25  <andythenorth_> Accepts Food, Alcohol, PAX
13:42:33  <andythenorth_> will look like a hotel, or a boat...
13:51:07  <Belugas> andythenorth_, i fail to find an industry other than those found so far :( sorry
13:51:14  <Belugas> bit busy, actually...
13:51:43  <andythenorth_> :)
13:51:47  <andythenorth_> np
13:52:19  <lugo> restaurant+hotel = resort?
13:53:22  <andythenorth_> I thought that maybe
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13:53:44  <andythenorth_> Is a riverboat restaurant a resort?
13:53:53  <andythenorth_> Inn?
13:55:14  <andythenorth_> Terkhen: how does 'resort' translate in spanish?
13:56:00  <Terkhen> hmm... in many different ways, depending on the kind of resort
13:56:34  <Yexo> doesn't a resort always have some place to sleep?
13:56:57  <andythenorth_> well it could be a botel
13:57:00  <andythenorth_> in the boat case
13:57:07  <andythenorth_> I stayed in a botel once :)
13:57:56  <Yexo> sure, in that case it could be a resort, but not if it only has a restaurant
14:00:36  <andythenorth_> bbl
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14:24:58  <planetmaker> <Terkhen> what was the reason for using "fruits and vegetables" instead of the default cargo?
14:24:58  <planetmaker> <andythenorth_> Not sure <-- IIRC the argument was along the lines of cargo classes differing
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15:32:57  <andythenorth> I could exclude the boat variation of the hotel
15:33:03  <andythenorth> that would make coding easier too....
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15:38:24  <andythenorth> Hotel should accept / produce PAX in addition to other cargos?
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15:55:35  <supermop> hotel?
15:59:03  <planetmaker> andythenorth, sounds reasonable
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16:19:56  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: yes, i was gonna ask about that yesterday ;)
16:20:12  <Eddi|zuHause> question is: how much?
16:20:39  <Eddi|zuHause> same as goes in (like secondary), or fixed value (like primary)
16:21:17  <Eddi|zuHause> i think "like secondary" should work...
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16:22:15  <Eddi|zuHause> hm... might interfere with houses accepting nearby, then either all or no cargo gets to the hotel...
16:22:21  <andythenorth> not sure
16:22:28  <andythenorth> probably just the same as oil rig
16:22:35  <andythenorth> accept all PAX
16:22:41  <andythenorth> supply at fixed rate
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16:23:31  <planetmaker> adventure holidays: holidays on an oil rig.
16:24:10  <planetmaker> andythenorth, also, the argument for fruits & vegetables vs fruit was IIRC along the lines of different cargo classes
16:27:30  <andythenorth> perhaps
16:27:36  <andythenorth> sounds plausible
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16:35:40  <andythenorth> hmm
16:36:39  <andythenorth> a hotel could also produce / accept mail
16:36:51  <andythenorth> if I use tile acceptance rather than industry acceptance
16:37:23  <supermop> oooh i need to brush up on my german
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16:39:52  <planetmaker> usually it should not be needed in this channel, supermop ;-)
16:40:35  <supermop> a very importan german is coming next month
16:40:51  <supermop> i need to remember how to use Sie instead of du
16:41:14  <planetmaker> 3rd person plural. That's it ;-)
16:41:31  <Eddi|zuHause> "man" is the word ;
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16:41:48  <planetmaker> may sound awkward, though, Eddi|zuHause ;-)
16:42:06  <planetmaker> But it's a "trick" when you don't know whether you can / should say "Du" or rather "Sie"
16:42:13  <Eddi|zuHause> oh, and most germans react badly to bad german, speak english instead ;)
16:42:13  <supermop> wait, i talk about him as if he was a hypothetical person?
16:42:24  <supermop> hmm
16:42:25  <planetmaker> nope ;-)
16:42:33  <supermop> this guy is definately Sie
16:42:47  <Eddi|zuHause> another great way to avoid the problem is using passive ;)
16:42:55  <__ln__> Eddi|zuHause: a lot of germans do not understand english
16:43:12  <supermop> this guy is ok at english, and is very nice, i hear
16:43:21  <planetmaker> But one could say "Man könnte heute Abend ins Restaurant gehen" instead of "Ich schlage Ihnen vor, heute Abend mit uns ins Restaurant zu gehen"
16:43:34  <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: but for higher positions in businesses, english is mandatory
16:43:43  <supermop> he is retired
16:43:46  <supermop> sort of
16:43:51  <supermop> designers never retire
16:44:18  <planetmaker> he
16:44:50  <supermop> he actually just released a bunch of new watches based on his old classic designs
16:45:38  <andythenorth> hmm
16:45:51  <andythenorth> black hole industries don't produce :(
16:45:52  <planetmaker> Most probably it's a nice gesture to greet him in German, but to do business in English
16:46:44  <andythenorth> if I make the hotel a secondary industry I have to deal with a whole lot of other stuff :|
16:46:56  <planetmaker> it'll produce waste ;-)
16:47:17  <andythenorth> only if I make it a secondary, and deal with production cbs etc :|
16:47:43  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: make it a primary, and if it gets incoming cargo (passengers, alcohol) then it has a slight chance of increasing
16:47:53  * andythenorth tests
16:48:07  <andythenorth> I'll still have to write production cb code etc
16:48:11  <andythenorth> måh
16:48:16  <__ln__> dunno... assuming supermop can actually speak useful amount of german, isn't it then a bit silly to revert to english?
16:48:31  <supermop> I could speak decent german,
16:48:35  <supermop> a few years ago
16:48:40  <supermop> now, i don't know
16:48:58  <Eddi|zuHause> we should switch this channel to german, so you can train ;)
16:49:03  <larsemil> i was fluent back in the days, when i was 12. now i am 27 and dont remember that much
16:49:05  <andythenorth> nichts
16:49:22  <supermop> haha
16:49:31  <supermop> is there a german ottd channel?
16:49:32  <__ln__> i don't think one can forget decent skills in some language in just a few years at adult age
16:49:40  * andythenorth has
16:49:43  <Eddi|zuHause> supermop: no, there was not enough demand
16:49:46  <supermop> once i am going, it will come back
16:50:02  <supermop> its just getting over that hump will be hard
16:50:27  <supermop> and while i might regain confidence, there will be big holes in my vocabulary
16:50:30  * andythenorth has lost french, german, spanish, and actionscript
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16:52:02  <__ln__> ich habe deutsch zum letzten mal im jahr 2000 in der schule gelernt, und habe nicht ganz alles vergessen.
16:52:33  <andythenorth> ich spreche deutsch nicht so gut
16:53:02  <andythenorth> me hablo espanol un pequeno
16:53:13  <andythenorth> je parle un petit peut de francais
16:53:35  <andythenorth> this.actionscript.remember();
16:53:48  * andythenorth back to work
16:54:42  <planetmaker> Je ne peut plus parles en francaise
16:55:15  <Eddi|zuHause> me aussi.
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16:55:34  <V453000> you know how bad is french beer?
16:56:09  <planetmaker> ah, but they have cheese fondue
16:56:21  <planetmaker> and mousse au chocolat
16:56:39  <planetmaker> and cr`eme bruil'ee
16:56:42  <supermop> what they lack in beer is made up for in fattening things
16:56:47  <planetmaker> :-D
16:57:09  * andythenorth advises paying attention to linter failures before declaring things don't work
16:57:58  <andythenorth> 8 passengers a month may be a little low for a hotel...
16:58:17  <V453000> what is cheese in compare with beer
16:58:24  <V453000> or the other shit :p
16:58:27  <andythenorth> how about 120 passengers / month
16:58:42  <andythenorth> V453000: cheese is essential if you drink cider instead of beer
16:58:56  <V453000> :D
16:59:00  <planetmaker> V453000, cheese makes a very good basis for increased beer consumption
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16:59:39  <V453000> stinks so much that you need to beat it with something else? :D
16:59:46  <XeryusTC> cheese is not good for anything
16:59:50  <planetmaker> apropos cheese.... dinner time :-)
17:00:15  <Terkhen> cheese > beer
17:00:20  <supermop> how dar you
17:00:23  <supermop> dare
17:00:32  <Terkhen> because it's true ;)
17:00:49  <XeryusTC> you sir, have not tasted proper beer
17:00:53  <supermop> cheese is the best thing from england, as well
17:01:06  <Terkhen> that argument can easily be reversed to prove that I'm right :)
17:01:07  <andythenorth> both cheese, beer and cider are available in FIRS
17:01:10  <supermop> i have had plenty of amazing beers
17:01:13  <andythenorth> [/commercial]
17:01:17  <supermop> and
17:01:20  <ZirconiumX> @XeryusTC CAMRA FTW!
17:01:29  <supermop> plenty of amazing cheeses
17:01:37  <supermop> cornish yarg
17:01:43  <ZirconiumX> http://www.camra.org.uk/
17:02:02  <XeryusTC> ZirconiumX: i dont live in the UK
17:02:30  <ZirconiumX> none the less - you have to admire them
17:02:46  <ZirconiumX> their last event combined cheese and beer
17:02:53  <ZirconiumX> there - draw a deal
17:02:55  <ZirconiumX> ?
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17:03:44  <Eddi|zuHause> the only use for cheese is on pizza.
17:03:46  <ZirconiumX> You there, Yexo? Squirrel's complaining about a line - a wierd one at that
17:04:16  <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: wrong wrong wrong
17:04:29  <andythenorth> for that comment, your next three FIRS requests are automatically disallowed
17:04:31  <andythenorth> :P
17:04:47  <ZirconiumX> else if (getG(s_start) == infinity) { //	path = null; return false; <--- note the comment
17:04:53  <ZirconiumX> I'm pro cheese
17:05:11  <ZirconiumX> @andythenorth - what's your favourite cheese?
17:05:18  <andythenorth> most of them
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17:05:44  <ZirconiumX> I'm one for blue cheeses - Stilton being my favourite
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17:06:05  <Eddi|zuHause> ZirconiumX: you shouldn't comment out the } on that line though
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17:06:19  <XeryusTC> cheese is an abbomination
17:06:20  <ZirconiumX> I haven't
17:06:42  <ZirconiumX> I'm crackers about crackers - personally
17:07:08  <ZirconiumX> infinity's still too big <end of pm favourite line>
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17:07:41  * andythenorth ponders
17:08:07  <andythenorth> there are going to be some minor conflicts between FIRS and default towns
17:08:16  <andythenorth> wrt sense for players, not code
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17:09:07  <andythenorth> default towns already add supermarkets, hotels etc
17:09:10  <Eddi|zuHause> one douk comes never alone?
17:09:28  <ZirconiumX> @andythenorth - I'd use FIRS - if it had Pikka's Basic Industries - esque graphics
17:09:31  <Eddi|zuHause> that doesn't make a lot of sense in english.
17:09:37  <ZirconiumX> but it doesn't - so I don't
17:09:44  <andythenorth> ZirconiumX: I am not understanding that point?
17:10:01  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: you can disable them
17:10:11  <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: I thought of that.  Is it a good idea?
17:10:15  <andythenorth> screwing with towns?
17:10:16  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: that won't even affect any house sets
17:10:21  <ZirconiumX> Sorry - I thought you were rrefering to graphics
17:10:25  <andythenorth> interesting
17:10:36  <andythenorth> ZirconiumX: what are PBI-esque graphics like?
17:10:50  <andythenorth> (I know what PBI is like, I mean, what do you mean by them?)
17:11:03  <ZirconiumX> like the original graphics - I feel they blend in more - but that's just me
17:11:08  <andythenorth> ho well
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17:11:24  <andythenorth> ZirconiumX: there's not much I can do about that :(
17:11:32  <Eddi|zuHause> there's no real problem with FIRS blending in
17:11:35  <andythenorth> I am trying to draw as close to original as possible.
17:11:47  <andythenorth> I don't think there's anyone else drawing closer to original style now
17:11:52  <ZirconiumX> I feel FIRS only blends in with OpenGFX
17:11:57  <Eddi|zuHause> a propos blending in, i think the snowline calculation for FIRS forests is wrong
17:12:05  <andythenorth> PBI just reuses default graphics, so it's easy
17:12:11  <Eddi|zuHause> or my screwing with it is...
17:12:20  <Alberth> andythenorth: :)
17:12:27  <Eddi|zuHause> screwing with the snowline, not FIRS....
17:12:47  <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: bug report if you think there's an issue
17:12:52  <andythenorth> snowline calculation is hard to perfect
17:13:08  <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, in my current game i get snowy forest in grassy areas
17:13:31  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: whereabout in the code is the snowline calculation? maybe i should have a look myself
17:13:37  <supermop> I love a good stilton
17:13:41  <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause you have a checkout?
17:13:45  <Eddi|zuHause> yes
17:13:57  <andythenorth> somewhere complicated no doubt...
17:13:59  <andythenorth> I'll look
17:14:13  <Eddi|zuHause> of a few weeks ago, so if you did screw with that in the past few weeks, i should update first
17:14:35  <ZirconiumX> at least FIRS isn't ECS :eyesore:
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17:14:46  <Eddi|zuHause> any savegame breaking things i should worry about?
17:15:01  <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: sprites/nfo/industries/forest.pnfo
17:15:10  <andythenorth> should be savegame safe approximately
17:15:43  <Eddi|zuHause> ah, i'll skip updating for now
17:15:49  <Eddi|zuHause> one step at a time
17:19:56  <Eddi|zuHause> hm "- 20 20 \wxFF   //get current snowline height" <-- likely a conflict with more heightlevels, where height*8 may exceed 0xFF
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17:32:19  <ZirconiumX> I just lost The Game
17:32:22  <ZirconiumX> :(
17:32:58  <LordAro> damn!
17:33:04  <LordAro> i just lost it again :)
17:33:22  <ZirconiumX> That's the second Time I've just lost it
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17:37:22  <andythenorth_> ZirconiumX: out of interest, when did you last try FIRS?
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17:41:37  <ZirconiumX> last week
17:41:45  <andythenorth_> any idea what version?
17:42:44  <andythenorth_> I ask because I've been slowly moving industries closer to default style
17:43:29  <andythenorth_> it would be useful to know which ones still stand out as opengfx style
17:45:26  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r22321 /trunk/src/lang/ (belarusian.txt russian.txt):
17:45:26  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:26  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belarusian - 1 changes by KorneySan
17:45:26  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: russian - 1 changes by KorneySan
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18:03:31  <flitz> when I do FOR_ALL_VEHICLES and just print each result, I get some odd results inbetween, that have engine_type:0 and subtype:1, DEFAULT_GROUP and other default values
18:03:51  <flitz> are these inconsistencies or just free room in the vehicle pool ?
18:07:50  <Alberth> you should check the vehicle type
18:08:22  <Alberth> there are also effect-vehicles (smoke, sparks) and disaster-vehicles
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18:09:47  <flitz> do disaster and effect vehicles to a company too ? (can't check right now, sry)
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18:10:25  <Alberth> probably not, but I am not entirely sure
18:10:59  <Alberth> eg smoke from a power plant is also a vehicle
18:11:57  <flitz> I can check in a few minutes, brb
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18:35:20  <andythenorth_> as zirconium didn't reply - anyone want to suggest FIRS industries for graphics tweaks?
18:35:44  <andythenorth_> specifically so in the direction of being in style of default graphics...
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18:36:07  <andythenorth_> this might help, although it's outdated a bit...http://tt-foundry.com/sets/FIRS/schema/industries?economy=point_7_release
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18:36:43  <flitz> Alberth: with vehicle type you meant vehicle->type, right ?
18:36:45  <Eddi|zuHause> the bakery looked a bit weird...
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18:37:17  <Eddi|zuHause> it didn't look bakery-y, but i don't even know what that means :p
18:37:30  <andythenorth_> Eddi|zuHause: I know what you mean
18:37:39  <andythenorth_> although it's one of the few buildings drawn directly from RL :P
18:37:50  <andythenorth_> does it fit in game though?
18:40:07  <Eddi|zuHause> dunno.
18:40:19  <Alberth> flitz: yes, with values from  enum VehicleType
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18:40:57  <Eddi|zuHause> the difference in style gets obvious where you reuse original graphics. compare the machine shop with the steel mill, or compare the cement works with the refinery
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18:42:39  <andythenorth_> indeed
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18:43:33  <andythenorth_> Eddi|zuHause: I redrew machine shop recently for that reason
18:43:34  <andythenorth_> http://tt-foundry.com/sets/FIRS/schema/schema/industries?economy=point_7_release#machine_shop
18:44:13  <Hendikins> You know, it is possibly a bad thing that one of the first things I thought about my new 2560x1440 display is "you know, openttd would look great on that..."
18:44:22  <flitz> Alberth: because it's weird, if I just print the value in gdb, I get the 0 I expect, but with printf I get -1^30
18:44:41  <andythenorth_>  ultimately FIRS will never look TTD style unless I break industries into single-tile modules
18:44:47  <andythenorth_> (in most cases)
18:45:21  <Alberth> flitz: interesting byte value :p
18:45:47  <andythenorth_> Eddi|zuHause: any other cases?
18:45:55  <supermop> does it have to look tt style?
18:45:58  <flitz> Alberth: I just saw the VehiclyType is a TinyEnum<>, that could explain it
18:47:03  <Alberth> no idea, I don't know enough of the details of C++ to understand the consequences of such constructs exactly
18:47:25  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth_: not that i'm aware of
18:48:11  <andythenorth_> supermop: yes
18:48:18  <andythenorth_> it's become a personal obsession
18:48:21  <andythenorth_> for better or worse
18:48:43  <andythenorth_> supermop: it's a goal I can never win, due to various choices I made :P
18:49:29  <andythenorth_> a better goal would be what zirconium said - it blends in with ttd style
18:49:56  <andythenorth_> ttd style is not consistent anyway, it must have taken simon foster a long time to do
18:50:03  <andythenorth_> and there was a gap between TTO and TTD
18:50:16  <andythenorth_> there are mistakes, inconsistencies etc :)
18:51:17  <andythenorth_> Eddi|zuHause: the textile mill troubles me
18:51:22  <flitz> Alberth: no problem, your tip helped either way
18:51:32  <andythenorth_> I redrew the roof sometime ago, but the texturing is just not right
18:52:05  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth_: you will always find things that are "not right" :p
18:52:08  <andythenorth_> I know
18:52:19  <andythenorth_> it helps that I now know which way the light comes from
18:52:29  <andythenorth_> someone made a very big mistake in TTDP wiki some years ago
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20:08:35  <LordAro> how's this: http://pastebin.com/0pq1GhpL
20:09:20  <supermop> i dont like purple windows
20:09:26  <supermop> i cant make them look right
20:11:49  <andythenorth_> supermop: they're hard
20:11:53  <andythenorth_> but correct
20:12:12  <andythenorth_> the only fixed rule is darkest at the top
20:12:18  <supermop> with warehouses or industrial buildings,
20:12:21  <andythenorth_> everything else varies according to the effect
20:12:33  <supermop> that have frosted old panes
20:12:39  <andythenorth_> paste your work in progress somewhere?
20:12:44  <supermop> i think shades of teal look better
20:12:45  <andythenorth_> I've had to solve this for FIRS
20:13:00  <andythenorth_> supermop: the default station has brown windows, if you want an excuse to vary them
20:13:04  <supermop> but on city buildings with clear or reflective glass i have been trying purple
20:13:26  <supermop> i have a thread with my nakagin building
20:13:39  <supermop> but i havent had time to touch it since saturday
20:13:53  <supermop> the round windows are really hard
20:15:19  <andythenorth_> the duplication between FRUT (default) and FRVG (FIRS) is silly
20:15:37  <LordAro> Alberth: a problem with your function/my code (see above) - it always returns false
20:15:43  <andythenorth_> but fruit is not bulk, refrigerated in my view :|
20:16:59  <Alberth> if (this->avail_sel == NULL) c = this->avail_sel;   <-- what does that do?
20:19:26  <frosch123> fruit is refridgerated?
20:19:27  <Alberth> LordAro: ^
20:19:46  <frosch123> do you put your fruit in a fridge? :s
20:19:59  <andythenorth_> frosch123: some of it
20:20:01  <andythenorth_> not all of it
20:20:10  <andythenorth_> but who cares about my habits :)
20:20:16  <LordAro> Alberth: damn, sorry, forgot a '!' :)
20:20:58  <Alberth> that may make a difference :)
20:21:30  <frosch123> you can put vegetables in the fridge, but fruit is best outside (not necessary in the sun)
20:21:49  <andythenorth_> well I didn't choose those classes ;)
20:23:00  <andythenorth_> frosch123: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Fe_Refrigerator_Despatch
20:23:29  <LordAro> Alberth/whoever-else-cares: Yay! that works :)
20:23:50  <LordAro> now, finding and reading the readme, then printing it...
20:24:14  <LordAro> finding it is already done however
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20:47:26  <Zuu> LordAro: Are you coding a readme viewer for banans?
20:47:56  <LordAro> slowly, but surely, yes :)
20:48:12  <andythenorth_> win win
20:48:24  <Zuu> Nice that you are taking yourself time with it.
20:49:57  <LordAro> ty
20:49:59  <LordAro> :)
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20:52:08  <Zuu> Trying to code is a good way to learn :-)
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20:53:34  <andythenorth_> LordAro: http://thinkexist.com/quotation/i_am_always_doing_that_which_i_cannot_do-in_order/217965.html
20:54:48  <LordAro> andythenorth_: sums me up perfectly, i think :D
20:56:07  * LordAro changes his forum signature
20:59:19  <Alberth> Zuu: not for bananas, but for local newgrfs instead afaik
20:59:45  <Zuu> Just newgrfs or also AIs?
21:00:38  <Alberth> currently just newgrfs, but who know what LA has planned :p
21:02:05  <Alberth> given that they are also saved in tar files, in the same way, it should be quite simple to extend
21:04:38  * LordAro hasn't planned much, probably just newgrfs for now, expand to AIs later (and maybe even things like base sets/sounds/whatever and heightmaps!) :)
21:05:10  <LordAro> night all
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21:21:22  <andythenorth_> eez bed time
21:21:26  <andythenorth_> good nights
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22:06:44  <Wolf01> 'night
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