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00:15:12 <Eddi|zuHause> Elukka: here's a few colours for prussian wagons: http://www.eep4u.com/darktrain/index.php?p=forum&action=getfile&id=7986&f_id=7&t_id=7871&area=1 00:15:56 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:16:09 <Elukka> that's useful, thanks 00:16:23 <Elukka> huh. and a real reference photo of a prussian 2 axle coach 00:16:25 <Elukka> haven't seen one before 00:17:24 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-prvbrasgw1-fe05dc00-37.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 00:21:00 <Eddi|zuHause> http://wbf-kk.de/EEEC/Gueterwagen.html <-- here's a few cargo wagons 00:23:11 <Terkhen> good night 00:24:52 *** Biolunar_ [~mahdi@blfd-4db0f95e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 00:29:32 <Eddi|zuHause> Elukka: and something i noticed, the 10lu passenger wagon looks more spaced out in -> direction than in <- direction, can you check whether the graphics are wrong length, the template is wrong length, or openttd's drawing is wrong? 00:31:01 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db0fe77.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:36:56 <Elukka> ottd is drawing it wrong 00:37:09 <Elukka> i've noticed it too, it only appears in recent builds of cets 00:37:31 <Elukka> i tested r449 vs r272 00:37:37 <Elukka> r272 draws them correctly 00:37:43 <Elukka> i'm not sure on which build the bug appears 00:37:45 <Eddi|zuHause> then it might be my slicing code, actually 00:38:15 <Eddi|zuHause> ok. i'll debug that later... 00:38:24 <Eddi|zuHause> now i know at least where to look :) 00:39:14 <Elukka> heh 00:39:15 <Elukka> http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z113/Elucca/r272.png 00:41:53 <Eddi|zuHause> Elukka: and the other thing i noticed, in \ and / view, the alignment of the wagons seems to mismatch the alignment of the engines (compared to the rails) 00:44:38 <Elukka> hmm, yes 00:44:53 <Elukka> there's a slight error with the coaches but the goods cars seem to be correct 00:45:16 <Eddi|zuHause> (or is that my alignment code again?) 00:45:42 <Elukka> dunno 00:45:46 <Eddi|zuHause> i guess i need to review all offsets once more 00:46:14 <Elukka> i might not have paid enough attention to it, i just went by oberhÃŒmer's fix of my initial sprites 00:46:43 <Eddi|zuHause> grml... my parameter code doesn't work... need to move it after the grf block because the gui-parameter is not declared yet 00:51:07 <Elukka> what do you think, is bavarian green or passenger green from the color templates more appropriate for the early d-zug coaches? 00:52:21 *** Phrewfuf [~chatzilla@p5DDD5065.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:52:27 <Phrewfuf> hi 00:52:45 <Phrewfuf> i need some help setting up a openttd dedicated server 00:53:07 <Phrewfuf> i have a debian server and some windows clients 00:53:31 <Phrewfuf> when i start the server on the debian machine and try to connect from the clients, i get a version mismatch error. how can i fix this`? 00:53:54 <Eddi|zuHause> Elukka: i think the "passenger green" is later 00:53:58 <Eddi|zuHause> not sure though 00:55:27 <Phrewfuf> btw the server instance was installed vie apt-get 00:56:02 *** JVassie_ [~James@2.25.209.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:57:16 <Elukka> hmm. any idea whether the roofs would be a flat or metallic grey? 00:57:25 <Elukka> the models are metallic but they're also later DRG 00:59:44 <Elukka> hmm... or brown 00:59:53 <Elukka> some other bavarian coaches have brown roofs 01:00:00 <Elukka> they look distinctly older though 01:01:47 <Elukka> okay, going by models metallic seems the most likely 01:04:35 <fjb|tab> Phrewfuf: Use the same version for the server and all clients. 01:06:17 <Phrewfuf> fjb|tab: why does apt-get install an old version? 01:07:03 <fjb|tab> Ask the maintainer of your distribution. 01:07:22 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-036-207.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:09:21 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B1BB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:11:04 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-012-204.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 01:11:10 <Phrewfuf> ok now i thnk openttd is screwing with me 01:11:27 <Phrewfuf> i'm trying to run it in dedicated mode and its failing to find a graphics set 01:12:26 <Yexo> the base graphics set contains more than just graphics 01:12:37 <Yexo> so you still need either the grfs from the original cdrom or opengfx 01:13:12 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-007-179.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Python is way too complicated... I prefer doing it quickly in C.] 01:16:11 <Eddi|zuHause> Elukka: in the prussian railways, the switch to silver roof colour was around 1900, so the express cars would definitely be afterwards 01:16:28 <Elukka> alright 01:17:02 <Elukka> did the prussians use silver? all i've seen is flat grey 01:17:06 <Elukka> the bavarians seem to have, though 01:17:18 <Elukka> hmm. need to make the roof slightly blue to make it look metallic 01:18:01 <Eddi|zuHause> "silver" means "grey-white", not necessarily actual silver 01:20:28 <Elukka> ah 01:23:54 <Phrewfuf> Yexo: i placed opengfx into ~/.openttd/baseset and it still cant find it 01:24:14 <Phrewfuf> of course the ~ of the user that will run the server 01:24:23 <Yexo> Phrewfuf: where did you download opengfx? What kind of file is it? 01:24:33 <Yexo> and which version of openttd are you running? 01:24:41 <Phrewfuf> it was a zip file...i unpacked it 01:24:51 <Yexo> that's good :) 01:25:13 <Yexo> and it was the zip file with the final grfs, not a source package? 01:25:45 <Phrewfuf> binary files, yes 01:25:53 <Phrewfuf> got them from http://www.openttd.org/download-opengfx 01:26:15 <Phrewfuf> aswell as the other two...sfx and mxs 01:26:28 <Yexo> ok, and the version of openttd? 01:26:52 <Phrewfuf> if the .deb-file got installed correctly, its the last stable..1.1.4 01:27:19 <Yexo> you need to put opengfx in ~/.openttd/data/ for openttd 1.1, ~/.openttd/baseset is only supported by 1.2+ 01:29:49 *** Fuco [dota.keys@server.dasnet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:31:09 <Phrewfuf> ok now the server is running, but i cant connect to it 01:31:26 <Phrewfuf> though it is logging queries from the client 01:32:18 <Phrewfuf> oh wait...found the problem... 01:32:32 <Phrewfuf> config is wrong 01:32:33 <Elukka> Eddi|zuHause: initial late night sketch 01:32:33 <Elukka> http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z113/Elucca/Art%20and%20stuff/bayd-zugw.png 01:32:36 <Phrewfuf> thanks for the help 01:33:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i think the doors need to be more prominent 01:33:33 <Eddi|zuHause> e.g. darker 01:34:18 <Elukka> true 01:34:21 <Elukka> i'll look into it tomorrow 01:35:24 *** fjb|tab is now known as Guest21922 01:35:25 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFD02F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:35:29 *** Guest21922 [~frank@p5DDFD02F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:50:02 <Eddi|zuHause> prussian express wagons: http://kleintischspielbahn.forumieren.net/t1529-alte-preussen 01:50:46 <Eddi|zuHause> ca. 1907 prussia switched from green/green/brown/gray to unified green for the classes 01:52:08 *** Phrewfuf [~chatzilla@p5DDD5065.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 8.0/20111104165243]] 01:53:03 *** Leroot [Leroot@CPE-58-173-130-11.cjcz1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:01:49 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-012-204.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 02:08:05 *** Fuco [dota.keys@server.dasnet.cz] has joined #openttd 02:22:37 <Elukka> those look just like the coach i'm drawing except the roof has that ridge 02:22:50 <Elukka> the clerestory windows 02:27:26 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:30:14 *** Elukka [~Elukka@78-27-84-248.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 02:39:22 *** Biolunar_ [~mahdi@blfd-4db0f95e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:00:04 *** Lakie` [~Lakie@109.176.214.131] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 03:10:57 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-123-30.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:26:59 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:b986:6f0a:2046:1647] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:58:12 *** Ardonel [~Ardonel@75-141-134-16.dhcp.mdfd.or.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:58:55 *** glevans2 [~Ardonel@75-141-134-16.dhcp.mdfd.or.charter.com] has joined #openttd 04:05:22 *** glevans2 [~Ardonel@75-141-134-16.dhcp.mdfd.or.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:07:45 *** glevans2 [~Ardonel@75-141-134-16.dhcp.mdfd.or.charter.com] has joined #openttd 05:04:16 *** vargadanis [vargadanis@catv-89-135-23-65.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:09:23 *** winner10 [4c71da9d@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 05:09:36 <winner10> does anyone know how to record OPENTTD? 05:10:52 <winner10> seriously does anyone know i cant seem to find a forum thread about it 05:11:01 <winner10> if i could get a link to a thread bout it that would be nice 05:19:53 *** winner10 [4c71da9d@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 05:51:14 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7467D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:51:42 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B742C9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:53:40 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-91-193.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 06:58:55 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-80-60.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:03:59 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 07:04:35 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-82-26-127-180.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 07:06:09 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-82-26-127-180.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 07:10:51 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-82-26-127-180.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 07:41:05 *** vargadanis [vargadanis@catv-89-135-23-65.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 07:41:28 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@ip-86-49-59-25.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 07:41:32 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@ip-86-49-59-25.net.upcbroadband.cz] has left #openttd [] 08:04:50 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.26.172] has joined #openttd 08:43:11 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:43:22 <andythenorth> morning 08:46:00 <Rubidium> oh shoot... is it morning already? ;) 08:46:28 <Terkhen> good morning 08:46:35 <Terkhen> sadly yes :) 09:07:39 *** DDR [~chatzilla@142.179.78.88] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 8.0/20111115183541]] 09:19:14 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-007-179.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 09:21:25 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 09:24:29 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-82-26-127-180.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 09:27:07 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@059-057-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:27:10 *** Leroot [Leroot@CPE-58-173-130-11.cjcz1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 09:32:21 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@059-057-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has joined #openttd 09:34:12 *** Leroot [Leroot@CPE-58-173-130-11.cjcz1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:37:14 *** Leroot [Leroot@CPE-58-173-130-11.cjcz1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:37:21 *** Leroot [Leroot@CPE-58-173-130-11.cjcz1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:40:22 *** Leroot [Leroot@CPE-58-173-130-11.cjcz1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:40:28 *** Leroot [Leroot@CPE-58-173-130-11.cjcz1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:43:30 *** Leroot [Leroot@CPE-58-173-130-11.cjcz1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:44:09 *** Leroot [Leroot@CPE-58-173-130-11.cjcz1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:44:29 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-82-26-127-180.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 09:47:11 *** Leroot [Leroot@CPE-58-173-130-11.cjcz1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:47:17 *** Leroot [Leroot@CPE-58-173-130-11.cjcz1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:50:18 *** Leroot [Leroot@CPE-58-173-130-11.cjcz1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:52:43 <peter1138> cities in motion... heh 09:52:54 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ACCC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:53:30 *** Leroot [Leroot@CPE-58-173-130-11.cjcz1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:53:38 <jonty-comp> it's like openttd, only without any of the things that make openttd good 09:53:58 <peter1138> pretty graphics but otherwise really limited 09:54:03 <peter1138> 4 whole cities? 09:54:13 <peter1138> over _30_ different vehicles... 09:55:54 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has joined #openttd 09:56:07 <jonty-comp> but! it has a limited form of passenger destinations 09:56:21 <jonty-comp> in so far as "person from red area will go to...anywhere in blue area" 09:56:31 *** Leroot [Leroot@CPE-58-173-130-11.cjcz1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:56:52 <peter1138> gosh 09:57:46 <andythenorth> maybe that's the solution to YACD :P 09:58:02 <andythenorth> set each tile to have 1 of 16 colours 09:58:04 <peter1138> not really 09:58:18 <andythenorth> route cargo packets to any tile that is the right colour :P 09:58:56 <peter1138> heh, garry's mod, £1.49 09:59:12 <jonty-comp> too bad i've already owned it for 5 years 09:59:21 <jonty-comp> and not played it for 2 :p 10:00:11 <peter1138> all looks a bit pointless 10:01:18 <jonty-comp> i just used to dick about with the space station mod 10:01:30 <jonty-comp> in fact, i should think that gun i textured is still in there 10:01:41 <jonty-comp> most contribution i've ever made to a community project :P 10:03:56 *** Leroot [Leroot@CPE-58-173-130-11.cjcz1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:06:58 *** Leroot [Leroot@CPE-58-173-130-11.cjcz1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:07:35 *** Leroot [Leroot@CPE-58-173-130-11.cjcz1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:07:55 <andythenorth> hmm 10:08:01 <andythenorth> there's a mac version of CiM 10:08:17 <andythenorth> so...try a new game, or write newgrf? 10:09:07 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 10:09:25 <andythenorth> XOR 10:09:33 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 10:10:14 <andythenorth> £5.08 10:10:36 *** Leroot [Leroot@CPE-58-173-130-11.cjcz1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:10:42 *** Leroot [Leroot@CPE-58-173-130-11.cjcz1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:12:47 <Eddi|zuHause> no 10:13:03 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... how does one do case-insensitive comparison in python? 10:13:43 *** Leroot [Leroot@CPE-58-173-130-11.cjcz1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:14:43 <Eddi|zuHause> apparently, string.lower() 10:16:44 <andythenorth> yup 10:17:51 <andythenorth> meh 10:17:57 <andythenorth> BANDIt is slow progress 10:18:26 <Rubidium> if the coding is slow, maybe make some zoomed in graphics? ;) 10:18:33 <andythenorth> coding is fast 10:18:36 <andythenorth> set design is slow 10:21:11 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host48-239-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 10:21:20 <Wolf01> ho o/ 10:28:14 *** Elukka [~Elukka@78-27-84-248.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:31:23 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:31:40 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 10:31:41 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:31:43 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 10:31:57 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:35:04 *** JVassie_ [~James@2.25.209.34] has joined #openttd 10:44:47 * andythenorth watches smokey and the bandit for inspiration 10:47:21 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:47:24 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 10:47:29 <Wolf01> anybody wants to help me setting up the environment to build OTTD with VC100? 10:49:28 * Alberth does want to, but has less knowledge than the person asking for assistance 10:51:16 <Wolf01> seem I miss some libraries, but I added the path of the "useful" folder to the includes 10:52:01 <Rubidium> ah, we're slowly getting from the meta question to the actual question ;) 10:54:03 <Wolf01> vc++ -> linker -> general -> additional libraries wtf = myproject\ottd\useful\win32\libraries; it should be right, or I missed something? 10:54:37 <__ln__> not running VC++ in italian? 10:54:41 <Rubidium> the directx library I'd reckon 10:54:46 <Wolf01> yes italian 10:54:50 <__ln__> ok, good 10:55:09 <__ln__> though i doubt that has anything to do with the problem one way or another 10:56:07 <Wolf01> I was sure I had the dx library, I carry on the same folder since I was building on my old laptop 10:56:18 <Rubidium> but without the actual error message or the name of the missing libraries that's pure interjection 10:56:19 <Wolf01> I just update the ottduseful files 10:56:28 <Wolf01> unicode and zlib headers 10:57:17 <Rubidium> now I'm confused... are you missing the headers or the libraries? 10:57:50 <Wolf01> it says the headers, but it's all there 10:58:18 <Wolf01> I'll retry adding every folder I find 10:59:48 <Rubidium> well, only talked about adding the library folder, but you need to add the include folders to the additional includes as well (the one in shared/include) 11:00:58 <Wolf01> just did it, same problem 11:01:17 <Rubidium> then I have no clue 11:02:53 <Terkhen> Wolf01: I usually follow the tutorial for MSVC 2008 except the "add libraries" part 11:03:09 <Terkhen> to add the libraries permanently, you need to open a project (any project) 11:04:16 <Terkhen> go to the property manager (there are some tabs at the lower left corner) 11:04:33 <Wolf01> Yes I'm doing so, but in the tools->options-<project and solutions it says this way of adding libraries is deprecate 11:04:39 <Terkhen> there you will find Microsoft.Cpp.Win32.user 11:04:46 <Wolf01> so I tried to load them for the project 11:04:53 <Terkhen> (there is a x64 equivalent too) 11:05:22 <Terkhen> if you acess the properties of Microsoft.Cpp.Win32.user and add your libraries / headers there, they are always used in all of your projects 11:07:04 *** mariux [~mariux@188.113.84.180] has joined #openttd 11:07:25 <mariux> i cant find a mirror for 1.2.0-beta1 for windows, can anyone help me out? 11:07:28 <mariux> since the website is down 11:07:31 <Terkhen> Wolf01: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=54292 <-- you can also check this... I think that he never finished it 11:07:41 <Terkhen> mariux: the website works fine for me 11:07:58 <mariux> its down here and have been so for 30+ min 11:08:37 <Yexo> mariux: the website is definitely not down 11:08:42 <Terkhen> mariux: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ <-- try this, it will tell you if a website is down for real or only for you 11:08:44 <Wolf01> thank you, I'll give it a look 11:08:46 <Yexo> if it doesn't work for you it's something at your (or your ISPs) end 11:08:56 <Terkhen> regarding mirrors... try http://gb.binaries.openttd.org/binaries/releases/1.2.0-beta1/index.html 11:09:32 <mariux> thanks 11:09:47 <mariux> maybe it is a problem with this unblock me thing am using 11:09:51 <Terkhen> bbl 11:10:05 <mariux> that mirror was is also down for me :P 11:10:40 <Yexo> try http://ftp.snt.utwente.nl/pub/games/openttd/binaries/releases/1.2.0-beta1/index.html 11:10:54 <mariux> thanks :D 11:14:28 <Wolf01> yay, compiling 11:14:51 <Wolf01> I was just adding the libraries in the wrong place 11:22:28 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFD02F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:23:19 *** mariux [~mariux@188.113.84.180] has quit [] 11:25:38 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-124-150.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 11:26:04 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-012-204.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 11:28:34 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-91-193.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:30:23 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFD02F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:40:05 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-prvbrasgw1-fe05dc00-37.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 11:43:13 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-115-234.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 11:49:13 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-66-167.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:54:06 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ACCC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:08:13 * Zuu realizes that he have swaped delete and backspace the other day when he had to pull out those keys to clean them of some beer that accidently got on the keyboard. :-) 12:10:35 <TrueBrain> do you still look at your keyboard? 12:10:46 <TrueBrain> I switched a few keys months ago, and I only found out when my roommate tried to type on it :P 12:18:29 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@188-222-85-41.zone13.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:25:19 *** Markavian [~Markavian@188-222-85-41.zone13.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:26:55 <Eddi|zuHause> how can that be? backspace is twice as big as delete :=) 12:28:08 <appe> ..on most keyboards. 12:28:18 <appe> backspace usually is, even on the smallest keyboards. 12:28:20 <appe> though 12:32:06 <Eddi|zuHause> well, there are variant keyboard layouts where the return key is bigger, and the key next to return is put next to backspace instead 12:32:17 <Eddi|zuHause> that's # on german keyboards 12:38:41 <appe> ah 12:54:48 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:14:49 <Zuu> TrueBrain: I don't generally look on my keyboard. Most keys don't to what the label says anyways. (qwerty labels and svorak behaviour) 13:18:31 <Zuu> Eddi|zuHause: On my keyboard backspace and delete have the same size althoug slighly different angle of the surface. 13:20:24 <Zuu> as a hint they are both located at left thumb :-) 13:30:21 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-220-236.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 13:30:58 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.72.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:45:34 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.72.132] has joined #openttd 13:54:09 <Belugas> hello 13:56:46 <Alberth> Hello sir B 14:02:28 *** fjb|tab is now known as Guest21965 14:02:28 *** Guest21965 [~frank@p5DDFD02F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:02:29 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFD02F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:04:31 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:05:14 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 14:10:29 *** TomyLobo2 [~foo@p54946C09.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:12:24 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:16:18 *** TomyLobo [~foo@p4FC222EB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:16:18 *** TomyLobo2 is now known as TomyLobo 14:18:32 <Belugas> hello 2u,2 uncle albert :) 14:36:07 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:44f5:c2b3:8599:ba7d] has joined #openttd 14:36:10 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:43:42 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:06:01 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@D5225594.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 15:06:59 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 15:07:39 *** vargadanis [vargadanis@catv-89-135-23-65.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:08:46 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-5d82074d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:18:10 *** fjb|tab is now known as Guest21974 15:18:11 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFEE1D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:21:08 *** Guest21974 [~frank@p5DDFD02F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:22:36 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 15:26:51 *** TomyLobo [~foo@p54946C09.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 15:33:29 *** burtybob [5c08ac71@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:34:50 *** Lakie [~Lakie@109.176.214.131] has joined #openttd 15:35:51 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 15:45:48 <burtybob> I'm trying to add to the admin network so that it sends the expenses breakdown. I've done that but is there anyway to make it server? As when trying to connect with a vanilla copy I get protocol error. Presumbly because I've modified the admin packet to send more data. 15:49:23 <Eddi|zuHause> and now we're supposed to guess your modifications to help you fixing it? 15:51:10 <Eddi|zuHause> you can output custom data to the admin port by running a game script and sending it as a JSON object 15:51:47 <Eddi|zuHause> (in trunk/1.2.0-beta1, not in 1.1.4) 15:52:22 <burtybob> p->Send_uint64(company->yearly_expenses[0][EXPENSES_CONSTRUCTION]); That line just before the sendpacket call in the send company economy function in the network admin.cpp file. 15:52:39 <burtybob> Do you have a link to documentation regarding the game scripts please? 15:52:58 <Eddi|zuHause> there's a thread in the forum 15:53:12 <burtybob> ok, thanks 15:53:21 *** burtybob [5c08ac71@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 16:18:17 *** Tormi [d582c748@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 16:23:13 *** Tormi [d582c748@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [] 16:23:32 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 16:30:02 *** Trzaska [~jlj.malik@c-98-244-126-87.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:30:33 *** Trzaska [~jlj.malik@c-98-244-126-87.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [] 16:36:09 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 16:43:56 <Elukka> Eddi|zuHause: any suggestions? 16:43:56 <Elukka> http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z113/Elucca/Art%20and%20stuff/bayd-zugw1.png 16:45:44 <Elukka> i like the side view, not so much the diagonal 16:54:06 <Eddi|zuHause> the windows might be slightly too big 16:54:12 <Eddi|zuHause> and the roof too smooth 16:55:44 <peter1138> greeble it 17:03:33 <Elukka> i could make the bigger windows 2x2 too 17:03:48 *** TomyLobo [~foo@p5494789E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:03:55 <Elukka> don't know about the roof... there seem to be multiple types 17:04:33 <Elukka> the drawing you linked it doesn't seem to be smooth, in the models it's smooth but it has those... thingies on top at regular intervals 17:05:34 <Eddi|zuHause> with the big windows it looks too modern 17:12:21 <Elukka> wish i had more pixels to work with :( 17:12:23 <TrueBrain> DorpsGek: bark 17:12:28 <TrueBrain> hmm 17:12:46 <Elukka> http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z113/Elucca/Art%20and%20stuff/bayd-zugw1-1.png 17:12:46 <TrueBrain> stupid connections :( 17:12:53 <Elukka> window tweaks, better looking variant of the roof 17:12:56 <DorpsGek> bark 17:13:05 <TrueBrain> terrible slow :( 17:16:22 <Eddi|zuHause> aye 17:17:16 <Eddi|zuHause> ship it! :) 17:22:43 <Eddi|zuHause> Elukka: in the \ view the signs below the windows are too big, and the doors should be showing that they are further inside. the connection between the wagons should probably be narrower 17:28:25 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r23680 /trunk/src/console_cmds.cpp: -Fix [FS#4915]: prevent removal of the (AI) company the local player is in 17:28:28 <Elukka> the signs are 1 px but they kinda blend in with the windows... gotta try something else with them 17:28:31 <Elukka> agreed on the gangways 17:29:11 <Elukka> the window color tends to blend in with this particular green too - the \ windows are brighter than they 'should' be because otherwise it's a mushy mess 17:29:27 <Eddi|zuHause> that's alright, i suppose 17:29:55 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r23681 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#4914]: vehicle numbers got misaccounted when autoreplacing failed due to length checks 17:31:18 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ACCC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:35:13 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:37:45 *** welshdragon is now known as Guest21985 17:37:47 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-86-27-19-243.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:40:49 *** welshdragon is now known as Guest21986 17:40:50 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-86-31-13-246.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:44:30 *** Guest21985 [~welshdrag@client-82-26-127-180.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:47:51 *** Guest21986 [~welshdrag@client-86-27-19-243.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:51:26 *** welshdragon is now known as Guest21988 17:51:27 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-82-31-23-255.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:52:14 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-82-31-23-255.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 17:57:56 *** Guest21988 [~welshdrag@client-86-31-13-246.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:59:05 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:10:15 *** insulfrog [~insulfrog@host-2-97-185-119.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 18:16:41 *** Joe [~chatzilla@p57AEC3CA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:17:37 <Joe> Hi all, can somebody help me a moment to get started adding further translatiosn to the OTTD-Wiki? 18:18:02 *** ZirconiumX [50019723@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 18:18:47 <insulfrog> and what language are you translating to? 18:18:55 <ZirconiumX> Hello everyone, hope you all had a merry Xmas (those who celebrate it)! 18:19:16 <Joe> german 18:19:25 <insulfrog> I do mr ZirconiumX :) 18:19:27 <Eddi|zuHause> bah! humbug! 18:19:42 * insulfrog shoots Eddi :p 18:19:42 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-124-150.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:20:13 * ZirconiumX scolds insulfrog for sounding like a set of model railway points 18:20:32 <insulfrog> that's where exactly the name came from :) 18:21:28 <ZirconiumX> Glad we share a common interest 18:21:32 <Joe> my trouble is that I never worked on a wiki so far, I see the style guide and so on but was wondering whether they are needed for just translating existing articles or if there is a way to 'copy' the english article and translate to german on the fly 18:22:44 <Joe> sorry if other noobs had this question prior already. But after having translated the hotkey reference sheet I wanna do more within my abilities. 18:23:03 <insulfrog> you could babelfish but I am not sure how accurate it is though 18:23:31 <ZirconiumX> Google translate 18:23:31 <Joe> the translating itself is no problem as I am fluent with both languages 18:23:34 <ZirconiumX> Wins 18:23:34 <ZirconiumX> http://translate.google.com/ 18:24:15 <Joe> just do not want to have to start each from scratch with copying pictures from the previous articles and so on 18:24:31 <Eddi|zuHause> Joe: just click "edit" and copy the contents 18:24:49 <Terkhen> look at how it was done with other translated articles 18:24:53 * Terkhen has no idea about wiki either 18:25:03 <Joe> THX eddi, will try out and come back crying if I can not get it done. ;) 18:28:28 <planetmaker> ZirconiumX: using google translate results for creating a 'translated' website is very bad and must not be done - especially as google allows to do that on the fly 18:29:01 <insulfrog> translation tools are fine but accuracy still could remain a problem (please excuse me if I sound skeptic) 18:29:35 <planetmaker> Joe: I'd copy the "source" of the English page (i.e. open it as 'edit' and copy it) and then create the new page, paste the original one and hand-translate the text 18:29:36 <ZirconiumX> @planetmaker Sorry 18:29:40 <planetmaker> that's how I'd do it 18:30:36 <Joe> THX to you too planetmaker, just realized that I should start by creating an account... (StupidMe) 18:30:39 <planetmaker> but don't just copy the English and then... create a 'German' page with English text. I've seen such on the wiki for some other language, too... that's quite stupid 18:30:44 <planetmaker> haha, yes :-) 18:30:58 <planetmaker> an account is helpful 18:34:55 <Zuu> Hmm, half of the translations that I've received for TransportGoals uses something else than UTF8. :-( 18:35:25 <Zuu> And I though I was too clear about it. 18:35:30 *** ZirconiumX [50019723@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 18:35:45 <SpComb> iconv 18:35:55 <SpComb> and encodings are hard 18:37:33 <Terkhen> Zuu: sorry, I forgot 18:37:34 <Zuu> Yep, I have to use iconv, just have to figure out which encoding to go from. 18:37:43 <Terkhen> I reuploaded the spanish translation in UTF-8 18:37:48 <Zuu> Terkhen: Thanks 18:37:56 <planetmaker> Zuu: you can be as clear as you want about that. People have no clue about encoding 18:38:02 <planetmaker> they just use what their editor uses 18:38:05 <Zuu> Then I only have to figure out which encoding the french translation is in. 18:38:55 <Rubidium> usually iso8859-15 18:40:39 <valhallasw> or windows-1252, but they are the same for most characters 18:40:49 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: translators * r23682 /trunk/src/lang/ (catalan.txt serbian.txt): 18:40:49 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:40:49 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: catalan - 2 changes by arnau 18:40:49 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: serbian - 11 changes by etran 18:40:55 <Zuu> Could be the windows1252 too. At least csv files from excel tend to use windows1252. 18:47:32 <__ln__> indeed, 8859-15 is rare, 1252 is common. 18:48:57 <valhallasw> 8859-15 is/was used on linux, 1252 on windows 18:49:22 <valhallasw> (for some reason, all french linux computers I've used used 8859-15 instead of utf-8) 18:51:42 <__ln__> valhallasw: yes, that's what i said, is/was used on linux => rare. :) 18:52:22 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-012-204.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:58:28 <Joe> planetmaker: guess I should save the translation file as UTF-8, right? 18:58:38 <planetmaker> file? 18:58:54 <planetmaker> translating wikis does not require use of any files... ? 18:59:33 *** FLHerne [~francis@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:59:54 <Joe> saving on my desktop so I can work on translations on the go without needing internet access. Trust that I will try out everything in the sandbox before uploading/adding to the wiki. ;) 19:02:40 <planetmaker> is an internet connection a problem? 19:03:07 <planetmaker> I mean you're free to work as it suits you. I'd just be surprised to see wiki work done offline beforehand 19:03:10 <Joe> when I am on the bus or subway on my way to work: yes 19:03:13 <Joe> at home: no 19:03:30 <planetmaker> utf-8 would be the suitable encoding, I guess, yes 19:03:50 <planetmaker> fair enough during travel :-) 19:04:12 *** vargadanis [vargadanis@catv-89-135-23-65.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 19:05:57 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:06:56 <Eddi|zuHause> engines are weird... weight is usually given without tender, but length with tender... 19:09:26 <insulfrog> well, cyas 19:09:27 *** insulfrog [~insulfrog@host-2-97-185-119.as13285.net] has quit [Quit: User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby] 19:12:49 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-012-204.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 19:13:41 *** Guest21879 is now known as Mark 19:25:51 *** FLHerne [~francis@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:26:41 <Belugas> and it keeps on snowing 19:27:58 <Eddi|zuHause> not here... 19:29:28 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:30:03 <andythenorth> hola 19:30:19 <andythenorth> is roadtypes actually hard to do? Or is it just tiresome? 19:30:35 <andythenorth> (apropros of suggestions forum) 19:30:36 * Belugas pushes some flakes toward Eddi|zuHause 19:30:44 <Belugas> hallo andythenorth 19:31:00 <Belugas> dunno 'bout your question, never tried it 19:31:03 <andythenorth> bonsoir Belugas 19:31:35 <andythenorth> when I started looking at it, it didn't look insanely, bafflingly hard 19:31:47 <andythenorth> but as a 'my first C++ project' I didn't get very far :P 19:31:48 <Eddi|zuHause> no, it would mostly be adapting the railtype code 19:32:15 <Eddi|zuHause> the "problem" is that there are more than one roadtype on one tile 19:32:36 <andythenorth> we had a solution for that 19:32:42 <andythenorth> only two types allowed 19:32:51 <andythenorth> and only one catenary type gets drawn 19:32:52 <andythenorth> iirc 19:33:16 <TrueBrain> enough _m bits available? 19:33:21 <andythenorth> if you want 'road with tram tracks' crossing 'dirt road with trolley power for dump trucks' 19:33:28 <andythenorth> then you need a type 'road with tram tracks' 19:33:36 <andythenorth> you can't composite 'road' + 'tram tracks' 19:33:43 <andythenorth> due to lack of bits 19:34:03 <andythenorth> but that seemed very acceptable to me 19:34:19 <andythenorth> I got as far as shuffling some roadworks _m bits, then got stuck in savegame code :P 19:34:22 <andythenorth> so not very far 19:35:15 <TrueBrain> ugh, Steam servers are SLOW. No surprise with all the free stuff going on :( 19:38:18 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: but only 2 types is really limiting 19:38:34 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: dunno what to say :) 19:38:37 <andythenorth> new map array? 19:38:51 <andythenorth> when it was discussed, we tried to make 3 fit into 2 19:39:05 <andythenorth> bit unfortunately we couldn't change how maths works :P 19:39:14 <andythenorth> I have a bit of spec....somewhere 19:39:18 <TrueBrain> fail on your part :D 19:40:08 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: it's not just 2 types. It's as many horrible buy menu combos as the roadtpe grf author has chosen to provide.... 19:40:20 <andythenorth> it's not so different to railtypes anyway 19:40:38 <andythenorth> '200km / h electrified railway also with third rail and 17t axle load' :P 19:40:55 <andythenorth> is not much different to 'paved road, 30km / h with tram tracks and trolley poles' 19:41:32 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-237-247.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:41:47 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: but if you want to encode "subway" into it, then you easily run out 19:43:16 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r23683 /trunk/src/ (4 files): 19:43:16 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Fix [FS#4912]-ish: when fitting another engine the cargo capacity of wagons 19:43:16 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: could become lower, causing them to contain more than they should. This caused 19:43:16 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: the cargo transfer from the replaced parts to put even more stuff in the already 19:43:16 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: full wagon. Prevent this from happening by reducing the amount of cargo in the 19:43:17 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: vehicle to the capacity when moving vehicles/wagons around, or when 19:43:19 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: autoreplacing 19:44:27 <Rubidium> don't forget to encode the safety systems in the rail type 19:44:35 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: 'paved road, 30km/h with tram tracks and trolley poles, plus subway with third rail' :P 19:44:55 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: then you run out of 16 roadtypes 19:45:03 <andythenorth> it's a harsh life :) 19:45:18 <andythenorth> so extend number of types? 19:46:05 <andythenorth> also - per rack rail discussion :) http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=385093&nseq=1 19:48:37 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: so it's (a) extend map array (b) extend number of possible roadtypes (currently three) to > 16 or (c) do nothing 19:48:37 <andythenorth> ? 19:49:12 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 19:49:17 <Rubidium> three possible road types? 19:53:50 <andythenorth> apparently 19:54:16 <Rubidium> well, road, tram and railroad? 19:54:39 <andythenorth> isn't it marked as HWAY in the source? 19:54:43 <andythenorth> for hysterical raisins? 19:54:58 <andythenorth> I don't mean three per tile 19:56:21 <andythenorth> yup, HWAY - only in comments though 20:02:02 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r23684 /trunk/src/ (road_cmd.cpp road_func.h): -Cleanup: let the highway take the highway 20:02:10 <Rubidium> what HWAY comments? ;) 20:02:13 <andythenorth> he 20:02:26 <TrueBrain> one of the futeares that got never implemented?:P 20:02:31 <TrueBrain> features 20:02:37 <andythenorth> did that comment have a 'use by' date on it? 20:03:13 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: futeares is more accurate 20:03:23 <TrueBrain> guess 20:03:54 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-124-150.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 20:04:08 <Rubidium> yep, highway got trashed in favour of having 2 of 16 route types on a tile instead of 3 (of 3) 20:05:09 <andythenorth> hmm 20:05:22 <andythenorth> 3 of 3 might have been sufficient :) 20:05:24 <andythenorth> but nvm 20:07:58 <peter1138> and 4 railtypes were too... 20:09:30 <andythenorth> and 640KB 20:09:46 <TrueBrain> and Windows 3.11 20:10:18 <andythenorth> is it weird if truck capacity gets large, then smaller? 20:10:23 <andythenorth> over time 20:10:27 <andythenorth> not per vehicle :P 20:11:07 <andythenorth> in the 1920s / 1930s trucks in the US weren't much regulated 20:11:16 <Zuu> Some users might complain. But it might give interesting gameplay situations. 20:11:37 <andythenorth> rapid technological improvement made for some very big powerful trucks 20:11:44 <andythenorth> then they got legislated :) 20:17:21 <vargadanis> it is sooo hard to make a working station 20:19:00 <andythenorth> compare http://www.trucksplanet.com/photo/mack/ec_eb/ec_eb_6129.jpg and http://www.virginiacaputo.com/Files/transportationphotographs.html 20:19:18 <andythenorth> 1930s (restricted) and 1920s (unrestricted) 21:07:53 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-124-150.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:21:00 *** vargadanis [vargadanis@catv-89-135-23-65.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:23:47 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:33:31 <Elukka> Eddi|zuHause: what do you think? 21:33:32 <Elukka> http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z113/Elucca/Art%20and%20stuff/bayd-zugw-1.png 21:33:52 <Elukka> i wanna get the side and diagonal views done before i start working with the other ones to save me some pain later 21:34:08 <Eddi|zuHause> the \ view looks somewhat off 21:34:44 <Elukka> in what way? 21:35:32 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: did the railtype labels discussion consider mixed gauge? 21:35:43 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 21:36:50 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: that's irrelevant as there won't ever be vehicles for mixed gauge. so the track set offering it can freely make up a lable 21:37:07 <andythenorth> ok 21:37:36 <Eddi|zuHause> (and set powered/compatible accordingly) 21:46:29 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 21:48:18 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-82-26-113-18.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 21:56:33 *** Joe is now known as bremerjoe 21:58:14 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:58:26 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-prvbrasgw1-fe05dc00-37.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 21:59:46 *** JVassie_ [~James@2.25.209.34] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:01:04 *** JVassie [~James@2.25.203.33] has joined #openttd 22:04:45 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.26.172] has quit [Quit: Sla Mutant Co-Op for Renegade - coming back soon] 22:05:01 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:06:31 *** DDR [~chatzilla@142.179.78.88] has joined #openttd 22:07:58 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-220-236.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:11:17 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@D5225594.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:12:47 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:30:04 <andythenorth> hmm 22:30:07 <andythenorth> trucks 22:30:50 <andythenorth> not much use in game (for most cargos) until they can carry about 20t 22:31:05 <andythenorth> but the upper limit on cargo is about 35t for highway trucks 22:31:31 <andythenorth> so the usual 'bigger' model progression just doesn't work 22:32:20 <Hirundo> progress in power/top speed instead? 22:32:21 <andythenorth> or at least, spacing it out over 50 years or so is hard 22:32:25 <andythenorth> yup 22:32:37 <andythenorth> they'll get to high weights quickly 22:32:41 <andythenorth> then as you say 22:33:23 <Hirundo> as capacity per month = power * speed (roughly) 22:33:33 <andythenorth> yup 22:34:20 <Hirundo> for realism, running (fuel) costs should rise through the years for all trucks, but newer ones should be more efficient 22:34:57 <andythenorth> +1 22:35:33 <Mek> the things you do when you have lots of free time during christmas holidays... http://93.157.1.37/~marijn/openttd3d-1.png http://93.157.1.37/~marijn/openttd3d-0.png (don't mind the uglyness, I'm not a graphics person :) ) 22:36:17 <Elukka> heh 22:36:19 <Hirundo> :o 22:36:37 <Elukka> what exactly are we looking at? is it actually running openttd in a different graphics engine? 22:37:01 <Mek> yeah, it is actually openttd running with an opengl real 3d graphics engine 22:39:16 <Elukka> :o 22:40:46 <Elukka> how functional is the game on it? 22:41:01 <Elukka> keep working on it and it could be the best thing in openttd since... well, openttd itself 22:41:06 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-82-26-113-18.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 10.0/20111221135037]] 22:41:10 <Elukka> prettier graphics for it can always come later 22:45:50 <Elukka> hey, you know what'd be a nice thing? 22:46:08 <Elukka> if you could lock it to an isometric (or whatever projection openttd uses) projection and make it load existing sprites 22:46:25 <Elukka> we could see how much faster the game would be if the graphics were done on the gpu 22:46:44 <Elukka> that's how a bunch of modern 2D games do it; flat textures and locked camera on a 3D engine 22:46:55 <Elukka> it'd be immensely useful to free up cpu resources to other purposes 22:49:31 <Mek> yeah... shouldn't be too hard (although completely different from what I'm currently doing of course) 22:50:27 <Elukka> well, i'd do that first, but it's your project 22:50:56 <Elukka> wouldn't require new art assets and would be immediately useful 22:52:55 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 23:01:01 <andythenorth> bed time 23:01:03 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 23:02:39 <Elukka> it's also something that people have said would be extremely hard to do but you seem to have gone a good way towards it :P 23:02:57 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-237-247.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:07:46 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has quit [Quit: Popidopidopido] 23:28:40 *** FLHerne [~francis@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:37:52 *** bremerjoe [~chatzilla@p57AEC3CA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #openttd [I'm not here right now.] 23:40:05 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has quit []