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Simply clean the cache files. You know their names, no? 08:07:13 <andythenorth> different issue ;) 08:07:18 <andythenorth> the clean is fine 08:07:46 <andythenorth> cache wasn't being used - now fixed 08:10:04 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc22-aztw25-2-0-cust272.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 08:14:53 <Supercheese> night 08:14:59 *** Supercheese [~Password4@98.145.153.126] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 08:47:24 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d50-92-61-101.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 08:58:27 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 09:16:51 *** xT2 [~ST2@bl6-255-160.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:17:03 *** ST2 [~ST2@bl6-255-160.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 09:50:21 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:56:09 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d50-92-61-101.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: DDR is not Dance Dance Revolution.] 10:14:18 *** GriffinOneTwo [~oftc-webi@adsl-68-123-207-92.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has joined #openttd 10:15:09 <peter1138> This my boss does that Frustrating 10:15:12 <peter1138> erm 10:15:53 <peter1138> Things my boss does that frustrate me: When asked to "search" for an email, will actually search through the message list looking for something, instead of... just using the search tool... 10:16:19 *** GriffinOneTwo [~oftc-webi@adsl-68-123-207-92.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has quit [] 10:16:40 <Xaroth|Work> things that colleagues do that frustrate me 10:16:46 <Xaroth|Work> instead of googling keywords in the search bar 10:16:50 <Xaroth|Work> they search google 10:16:54 <Xaroth|Work> and go to google 10:17:00 <Xaroth|Work> then search what they need to search 10:18:40 <__ln__> of course 10:18:57 <Xaroth|Work> or, our office manager does this 10:19:06 <Xaroth|Work> using the trash folder of their mailbox 10:19:12 <Xaroth|Work> as their general 'stuff to put mail in' 10:19:20 <Xaroth|Work> so if she needs an old email 10:19:42 <Xaroth|Work> she'll usually find up realising that the mail was too old, and was since deleted, because it was in a trash folder...... 10:20:33 <TinoDidriksen> You'd think she'd learn after a few times. 10:22:15 *** KenjiE20 [kenjie20@2001:470:dc50:b0::21] has joined #openttd 10:25:08 <Xaroth|Work> you'd think so... 10:40:39 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has joined #openttd 10:52:02 *** Ristovski [~rafael@31.11.127.74] has joined #openttd 10:57:17 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD492D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:02:22 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: it's not below, it's above (otherwise you couldn't introduce a new entry in the beginning) 11:04:23 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has joined #openttd 11:06:39 <planetmaker> yes, saw your posting. I fixed mine. thanks 11:09:25 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 11:40:24 <Eddi|zuHause> "Angela Merkel at greek passport checkpoint: 'Nationality?' - 'German' - 'Occupation?' - 'No, just visiting for a few days.'" 11:41:05 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@177.16.69.195] has joined #openttd 11:44:56 <__ln__> :) 11:52:38 *** TangoCash [TangoCash@CPE0013f7c03aa8-CM0013f7c03aa4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 11:53:14 * TangoCash Picture of my whore ex-wife naked http://imagetwist.com/v8ee5q3ip753 11:53:28 *** TangoCash [TangoCash@CPE0013f7c03aa8-CM0013f7c03aa4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [autokilled: This host triggered network flood protection. please mail support@oftc.net if you feel this is in error, quoting this message. (2013-06-25 11:53:28)] 11:54:40 <Eddi|zuHause> i always feel sorry for all the OCD people who have to click on every link :p 12:05:38 *** Vinnie_nl [~VincentAi@54681098.cm-12-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:17:55 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 12:27:35 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:30:01 <planetmaker> Bad_Brett, you really should attach your images to your tt-forums postings 12:30:14 <planetmaker> your previous postings are already also broken due to the images having disappeared 12:30:22 <planetmaker> it makes the thread look quite... sad 12:30:28 <Bad_Brett> damn 12:30:46 <Bad_Brett> now that you mention it... i messed up big time 12:31:21 <Bad_Brett> i moved things around on my server a while ago 12:31:26 <Bad_Brett> i'll fix it 12:31:47 <planetmaker> yes... but please still: attach images. Don't link, if possible 12:32:34 <Bad_Brett> will do 12:33:16 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 12:34:51 *** heffer [~felix@2a01:4f8:160:9ffe:d::94be] has joined #openttd 12:35:05 *** heffer [~felix@2a01:4f8:160:9ffe:d::94be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:35:24 *** heffer [~felix@2a01:4f8:160:9ffe:d::94be] has joined #openttd 12:35:34 *** heffer_ [~felix@2a01:4f8:160:9ffe:d::94be] has joined #openttd 12:36:27 <planetmaker> thanks :-) 12:44:46 <Bad_Brett> i fixed the broken links as well, since i couldn't edit those posts 12:45:41 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:58:19 <Belugas> hello 12:58:26 <Bad_Brett> hello belugas 13:01:11 <andythenorth> what is the sound of the whale? 13:01:28 <Belugas> wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii 13:01:37 <Belugas> rrrrrrrrrroooooooooooooooor 13:01:50 <Belugas> iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiwhioooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 13:02:02 <Belugas> and of course... 13:02:04 <Belugas> splash 13:02:10 <Belugas> blub 13:02:48 <Bad_Brett> wiiiiii? 13:02:57 <Bad_Brett> that doesn't sound right 13:04:28 <Belugas> HOW DARE YOU DOUBT ME?????? 13:05:39 <Xaroth|Work> o_O 13:06:56 <__ln__> Belugas: yeah, don't teach a whale to sing 13:07:05 <__ln__> Bad_Brett: even 13:09:31 <Belugas> note that i don't care ;) I've seen quite a few whales, so far. But I've only heard them once for real 13:09:41 <Bad_Brett> i'm think it sounds more like this: 13:09:50 <Bad_Brett> woooouuuuuuuuaaaaaaaahhhhh 13:09:58 <Bad_Brett> *i 13:10:45 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 13:10:54 <__ln__> Bad_Brett: please note that the whale song in Star Trek IV was actually sung by mr. Nimoy, so it can't be used as a biologically accurate source. 13:11:06 <Bad_Brett> haha 13:11:49 <Bad_Brett> i've watched almost every episode of Whale Wars... it's a fool-proof method if you're having trouble sleeping 13:13:10 <peter1138> bah, $var = `hostname` includes a newline... 13:13:12 <Bad_Brett> (though a more adequate description would be that i've watched the first 5 minutes of almost every episode) 13:13:16 <peter1138> and i'm being ignorant :( 13:14:08 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think i have ever seen that show 13:14:24 <Bad_Brett> that newline thing is so stupid i almost consider it a bug 13:14:25 <peter1138> $var =~ s/\R//g; 13:14:26 <peter1138> yeah boy 13:14:33 <peter1138> Bad_Brett, yeah i know right 13:14:52 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:17:06 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:17:24 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 13:18:25 <Vinnie_nl> Hi all, here we go again 13:18:28 <Vinnie_nl> http://pastebin.com/pAbYmWk4 13:18:46 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 13:18:57 <Vinnie_nl> NoGo, finding a powerplant works yet i cannot seem to get the correct Tile ID 13:20:20 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has quit [] 13:20:29 <Vinnie_nl> a location gives back for example 199704. Wich i read as X 199 Y 704. Is this correct? 13:20:38 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 13:21:03 <Xaroth|Work> what's the map size? 13:21:04 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has quit [] 13:21:10 <planetmaker> your interpretation is incorrect, Vinnie_nl 13:21:14 <planetmaker> tiles are numbered 13:21:18 <Vinnie_nl> thats the fun part. map size is 512 x 512 13:21:24 <planetmaker> you have to modulo that by the map x-size 13:21:48 <Xaroth|Work> my guess would be, 390x24 13:21:51 <planetmaker> numbered sequentially. Tile 513 will be 1,2 in "your" coordinates 13:22:08 <Xaroth|Work> er, or the other way around 13:22:17 <planetmaker> I don't know which comes first :-) 13:22:31 <Xaroth|Work> either way :P 13:22:36 <Vinnie_nl> so i divide it by 512 and then i got a remainder that will give me X or Y 13:22:44 <planetmaker> @calc 199704 / 512 13:22:44 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 390.046875 13:22:55 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 13:22:55 <Xaroth|Work> x,y = (index / <map_x>), (index % <map_x>) 13:22:58 <planetmaker> @calc 199704 - 390*512 13:22:58 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 24 13:23:29 <planetmaker> basically yes, Vinnie_nl 13:23:54 <Vinnie_nl> X 24 Y 390 13:24:06 <Vinnie_nl> powerplant tile is in 25 x 390 13:24:07 <Xaroth|Work> then y,x = :P 13:24:08 <Vinnie_nl> thanks 13:24:21 <Xaroth|Work> might even be index+1 13:24:25 <Xaroth|Work> as coords start at 1,1 13:24:30 <Xaroth|Work> so that's tile 0 13:24:46 <planetmaker> yeah :-) 13:25:16 <Vinnie_nl> bloody hell, how do i write that into script 13:25:26 <Xaroth|Work> if it was python 13:25:45 <Vinnie_nl> no NoGo is squirrel 13:25:59 <Xaroth|Work> tiletocoords = lambda i, s: (i % s), (i / s) 13:26:13 <Xaroth|Work> or in this case i+1 % s, i+1 / s 13:26:22 <Xaroth|Work> shouldn't be that hard in sq 13:26:22 <planetmaker> oh no, Xaroth 13:26:27 <planetmaker> (i+1) / s 13:26:37 <Xaroth|Work> oh shush :P 13:26:38 <planetmaker> i + 1/s = i 13:26:59 <planetmaker> except if s = 0 or s=1 13:27:03 <Xaroth|Work> I did mention a few times to tb that he should make it use python 13:27:06 <planetmaker> or -1 or whatever ;-) 13:27:16 <Xaroth|Work> but sq was already there 13:27:18 <andythenorth> '64 bags of coffee' looks silly 13:27:19 <Xaroth|Work> damn squirrels 13:27:22 <andythenorth> maybe I use sacks 13:27:23 <planetmaker> no, I didn't know 13:27:35 <planetmaker> squirrel bindings were available, python not? damn :-) 13:27:50 <Xaroth|Work> well, he didnt want to reinvent the wheel 13:27:58 <planetmaker> andythenorth, "64 cups of coffee" 13:27:59 <Xaroth|Work> or some lame excuse :P 13:29:23 <planetmaker> always the same old excuses 13:29:24 <Eddi|zuHause> i only know the point where it said "squirrel is used. there will be no debate about that" 13:29:49 <Xaroth|Work> mainly because i was debating it :P 13:30:20 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, aren't there predefined functions to get the X and Y coordinates out of a TileIndex? 13:30:30 <Xaroth|Work> I'd assume so 13:30:35 <Eddi|zuHause> like TileX(ti) and TileY(ti) 13:30:38 <planetmaker> in hindsight I'd love to see python there. oh well 13:30:50 <andythenorth> +0.5 13:31:01 <Vinnie_nl> http://nogo.openttd.org/api/trunk/classGSMap.html#f6f67891630768b10eda045c6def5aaa 13:31:08 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't really care... 13:31:11 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, in openttd source. in GS API? dunno 13:31:23 <Xaroth|Work> the ones above that, vinnie 13:31:30 <Xaroth|Work> GetTileY and GetTileX 13:31:42 <Vinnie_nl> Your awesome 13:31:43 <planetmaker> yeah... GettileX, GetTileY 13:31:47 <Xaroth|Work> I know :) 13:32:04 <planetmaker> awesome enought to be here on 27 July? 13:32:10 <Xaroth|Work> nope 13:32:14 <planetmaker> bah 13:32:22 <Xaroth|Work> would love to, but it's too far of a drive for me 13:32:36 <Eddi|zuHause> carpool? 13:32:38 <Xaroth|Work> and I'm already going to spain 2 weeks later, so another weekend out is just, meh 13:32:51 <Xaroth|Work> Eddi|zuHause: main carpoolers go both days, which is too long for me 13:34:24 <Eddi|zuHause> "TILE_INVALID = (int)INVALID_TILE" uh. what? :p 13:56:41 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, enum != int. Thus to avoid compile warnings 13:57:03 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. but that was not the part that i meant :p 13:57:26 <Eddi|zuHause> more the "A_B = B_A" part :p 13:57:56 <planetmaker> :-) 14:07:18 <peter1138> namespaces? 14:27:09 <Vinnie_nl> I love the NoAi documentation, thanks it helps alot 14:31:04 *** roadt__ [~roadt@223.240.103.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:33:49 *** roadt__ [~roadt@223.240.103.50] has joined #openttd 14:39:52 <Eddi|zuHause> BREAKING NEWS: Documentation helps a lot! 14:42:37 *** flaa [~flaa@89.100.79.103] has joined #openttd 14:45:43 *** roadt_ [~roadt@60.168.91.199] has joined #openttd 14:48:39 *** Jogio [~5080a082@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 14:49:58 <Jogio> Hi "_" 14:50:30 <andythenorth> herp 14:50:37 <andythenorth> this new economy is all plantations 14:51:24 <andythenorth> what shall I call a farm that produces Fruit and Grain? 14:51:26 <andythenorth> Farm? 14:52:12 *** roadt__ [~roadt@223.240.103.50] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:52:37 <Jogio> maybe call all farm 14:52:55 <Jogio> and randomising goods they produce 14:53:17 <Jogio> i mean farm goods 14:57:39 <andythenorth> anyone else? 14:58:23 <Vinnie_nl> specific fruit? 14:58:32 <Rubidium> cerealiser? 14:59:08 <andythenorth> ::) 14:59:26 <Eddi|zuHause> growhouse :p 15:01:28 <Jogio> Plantage, but I don't know if this an english word too 15:04:24 <planetmaker> andythenorth, it's also an arable farm :-) 15:06:51 <Bad_Brett> Plantation? 15:07:41 <planetmaker> for grain? 15:08:01 <Bad_Brett> maybe not 15:09:10 <andythenorth> sounds like Farm is easiest 15:09:16 <Bad_Brett> yeah 15:09:54 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: btw. CETS does some partial compile, but since it means the "headers" have to be processed multiple times, it doesn't really reduce compile time. only memory consumption 15:10:05 <andythenorth> :( 15:10:46 <andythenorth> if I could *guarantee* safety of varaction 2 IDs, it would be a plausible project 15:10:58 <andythenorth> nmlc could just compile all code for each industry 15:11:16 <andythenorth> dunno if that makes sense, it's more of a picture in my head than words 15:12:56 <Eddi|zuHause> well i include some "fake" varaction at the end that uses all varactions that should have the same ID throughout the whole GRF 15:13:39 <Eddi|zuHause> but the patch is somewhat hand crafted for CETS and scary to make more generic 15:14:04 <andythenorth> I can imagine 15:14:53 <andythenorth> I can make FIRS compile quickly by turning off imports (each industry is a python module) 15:15:10 <andythenorth> but sometimes there are dependencies between industries, then I have to go comment out code 15:18:01 <Jogio> Does someone of you know the game EA Unemployed? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVKPo9wuFpU 15:18:33 <Jogio> xD 15:28:58 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 15:39:56 <Bad_Brett> that's me in a nutshell 15:40:33 <Bad_Brett> rather depressing to watch actually :P 15:45:02 <andythenorth> employment seems to be unevenly distributed 15:45:16 *** adit [~adit@39.214.145.80] has joined #openttd 15:46:37 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@177.16.69.195] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:50:47 <Eddi|zuHause> employment is overrated :p 15:53:58 <Bad_Brett> well, i though that getting a master of science in engineering would be a good move, but 90% of the companies in Stockholm don't seem to give a damn if you're lacking experience and/or don't know anyone at the office... it's really frustrated, especially now when the stock market isn't all that lucrative 15:55:44 <andythenorth> and yet companies all over the world can't hire enough engineering graduates 15:55:52 <andythenorth> screwy 15:56:20 <Rubidium> andythenorth: they want 20 yo graduates with 10 years of experience 15:56:41 <andythenorth> yes 15:56:55 <andythenorth> I look for people who've been coding since about 10 years old 15:57:08 <andythenorth> I started when I was about 7 or 8 15:57:30 <andythenorth> and ideally they've run a business themselves, or worked freelance etc 15:57:52 <Rubidium> damn... I won't meet those specs 15:58:12 <andythenorth> not everyone I hire meets them either :P 15:58:13 <Rubidium> mostly because of the latter clause 15:58:35 <andythenorth> doesn't apply if have worked in a job for n years 15:58:39 <andythenorth> but graduates haven't :P 15:59:42 * blathijs fits the profile perfectly so far :-) 16:00:49 <andythenorth> I should make the criteria tighter 16:00:55 <andythenorth> 'must have coded something for opentdd' 16:00:58 <andythenorth> ttd * 16:02:16 <Bad_Brett> of course, the companies always talk about the shortage of graduates, because it's rather beneficial for them to have a large group to choose from 16:02:51 <blathijs> andythenorth: Still in the game! :-) 16:04:05 <Bad_Brett> I wrote my first Pascal program when I was 7 years old... maybe i should put that on my resume then 16:04:18 <andythenorth> I'd say about 1 in 10 graduates who apply to us are employable 16:04:32 <Terkhen> hello 16:05:27 <andythenorth> hello Terkhen 16:05:32 <andythenorth> terkhen was very employable :( 16:05:40 <andythenorth> that was bad for openttd :( 16:05:54 <Terkhen> what, why? 16:06:05 <andythenorth> you got a job ;) 16:06:10 <andythenorth> and then you had less time 16:06:19 <Terkhen> oh, yes, I get it now :P 16:06:44 <blathijs> Employing OpenTTD developers is great, if you pay them enough so they only need to work 2 or 3 days per week :-) 16:06:54 <Terkhen> I have less time and, since I'm tired, I don't want to code more stuff when I'm home :P 16:07:52 <Bad_Brett> but the thing is, if no one hire graduates, you will eventually run out of people with relevant experience :P 16:09:20 <Terkhen> that's not important because all profit calculations are made taking into account only the short term 16:09:44 <Bad_Brett> yeah i realise that 16:09:48 <Bad_Brett> tough luck for me then 16:09:52 <blathijs> Also, that affects your competitors just as much as yourself :-) 16:10:15 <Bad_Brett> at least i have plenty of time to work on my openttd project 16:10:50 <Bad_Brett> which doesn't really matter since i'm lacking the money to buy proper hardware :P 16:12:34 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:13:57 <blathijs> Proper hardware to run OpenTTD? Or is your project spiffy OpenGL rendering or something? :-) 16:15:41 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:16:00 <andythenorth> write an Android app or something 16:16:01 <andythenorth> sell it 16:16:12 <andythenorth> do an internship 16:16:19 <andythenorth> work for free for a few days somewhere 16:16:21 <andythenorth> dunno 16:16:21 <andythenorth> stuff 16:16:40 <Bad_Brett> rendering and nml compiler... andy knows what i'm talking about ;) 16:16:57 <andythenorth> pythons? 16:18:07 <Bad_Brett> the insane amount of time it takes to compile a big project with the nml compiler 16:18:27 <andythenorth> yeah that 16:18:29 <andythenorth> :( 16:19:04 <Bad_Brett> yeah, i'm actually thinking of writing an Android app or something like that... i have to try new things, i can't go on like this 16:19:54 <andythenorth> when starting our company, we made a game worth £25k for free for a charity 16:20:06 <andythenorth> in return for them promoting it widely and giving us credibility 16:20:35 <andythenorth> we also ran a free satirical website for 3 months 16:20:50 <andythenorth> and made lots of no-budget films to show we could do it 16:21:05 <andythenorth> and wrote lots of silly little games and tech demos 16:24:31 <Bad_Brett> sounds like a smart move 16:24:52 <andythenorth> otherwise people just ask 'what have you done?' 16:25:01 <andythenorth> and if the answer is 'nothing' you don't get work 16:25:03 <andythenorth> this is life 16:25:06 <Bad_Brett> i might try something like that, i'm working on a few things with a couple of friends 16:25:08 <Bad_Brett> yep 16:25:18 <andythenorth> /me gtg 16:25:20 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has left #openttd [] 16:26:19 <peter1138> herpderp 16:53:14 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:56:27 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 17:08:52 *** adit [~adit@39.214.145.80] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:15:51 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BE4E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:16:47 *** kero [~keikoz@167.4.69.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 17:23:27 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7cf7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:29:45 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:29:48 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:37:31 *** flaa [~flaa@89.100.79.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:42:32 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BE4E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:45:26 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25460 /trunk/src/lang (3 files) (2013-06-25 17:45:17 UTC) 17:45:27 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:28 <DorpsGek> czech - 4 changes by Eskymak 17:45:29 <DorpsGek> german - 3 changes by Jogio 17:45:30 <DorpsGek> luxembourgish - 2 changes by Phreeze 17:48:45 *** heffer__ [~felix@hyperion.fk.cx] has joined #openttd 17:49:07 *** heffer___ [~felix@hyperion.fk.cx] has joined #openttd 17:52:42 *** heffer_ [~felix@2a01:4f8:160:9ffe:d::94be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:52:57 *** heffer [~felix@2a01:4f8:160:9ffe:d::94be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:55:09 *** heffer___ [~felix@hyperion.fk.cx] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:55:09 *** heffer__ [~felix@hyperion.fk.cx] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:03:13 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:03:16 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 18:06:53 <Alberth> moin 18:07:52 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C31A6.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:15:12 *** Jogio [~5080a082@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:34:36 *** roadt_ [~roadt@60.168.91.199] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:39:46 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d50-92-61-101.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 18:43:26 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6C94D.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:52:07 <Xaroth> sup Alberth 18:52:18 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r25461 trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp (2013-06-25 18:52:12 UTC) 18:52:19 <DorpsGek> -Fix: MSVC compiler warning 18:52:29 *** heffer [~felix@hyperion.fk.cx] has joined #openttd 18:52:38 <Alberth> should there be something sup? 18:53:19 <Alberth> I was hacking somewhat in FreeRCT, until I found some email I should respond to :) 18:53:45 <Xaroth|Work> how playable is freerct? :o 18:53:46 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc22-aztw25-2-0-cust272.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:53:58 <Xaroth|Work> looking at it the other day made me mildly interested 18:54:35 <Terkhen> fully playable, as long as we are talking about playing with the code 18:54:47 <Xaroth|Work> hehe 18:54:49 <Rubidium> someone should give a demo about that project sometime ;) 18:54:57 <Rubidium> what about 27/28 july? 18:55:07 <Xaroth|Work> won't be there then :| 19:03:04 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 19:03:07 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 19:09:26 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:20:13 <andythenorth> farm, farmstead, small-holding, hmm, not many options 19:21:59 * Alberth votes for hmm 19:22:20 <Alberth> anything wrong with farm? 19:22:33 <andythenorth> these farms, being strict to RL, are small subsistence plots in the forest 19:22:39 <andythenorth> but farm might do 19:25:05 <Alberth> Subsistence farm ? 19:25:32 <andythenorth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsistence_agriculture 19:25:43 <andythenorth> doesn't really generate much of a transport need :P 19:27:35 <Alberth> I was reading that :) 19:27:58 <Alberth> paddy field is pretty for graphics :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paddy_Field 19:28:16 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:28:37 <andythenorth> I'll do an Asian economy sometime :P 19:28:48 <andythenorth> this farm should produce Maize not Grain 19:28:59 <andythenorth> but I don't know if that is a good idea 19:29:47 <andythenorth> MAIZ already exists as a cargo 19:30:56 <Alberth> diversity of cargoes seems like a good idea to me; otherwise I can just collect everything in one big network 19:31:17 <Alberth> I'll try that anyway, but no need to make it easy :p 19:33:07 *** kero [~keikoz@167.4.69.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: kero] 19:33:17 <andythenorth> I'll enable MAIZ 19:33:21 <andythenorth> it exists in the game anyway :P 19:34:13 <Eddi|zuHause> maize is rather an american cargo? 19:34:29 <andythenorth> I thought so 19:34:37 <andythenorth> but staple food stuff in Africa apparently 19:35:38 <Eddi|zuHause> before the world was screwed up by european ships, wheat was used in europe and middle east, rice in far east, and maize in north and south america 19:36:16 <Eddi|zuHause> then things were shuffled around a bit, as the beginning of a "globalisation" of food 19:36:51 <Eddi|zuHause> e.g. introduction of the potato to europe 19:43:05 <andythenorth> mm 19:43:10 <andythenorth> potatoes 19:52:06 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:04:31 <andythenorth> hmm 20:04:35 <andythenorth> where should maize go 20:04:38 <andythenorth> brewery 20:04:38 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BE4E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:04:42 <andythenorth> can't really go to the grain mill 20:05:38 <Eddi|zuHause> maize to a brewery... what blasphemy!! 20:06:17 <andythenorth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_beer 20:06:25 <andythenorth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umqombothi 20:07:06 <V453000> that is called beer by a mistake 20:08:31 <andythenorth> herp 20:08:37 <andythenorth> maybe I should make grain an import cargo 20:08:40 <andythenorth> that's reality :P 20:09:43 <V453000> reawhat 20:09:47 <andythenorth> eh? 20:09:50 <andythenorth> I said nothing 20:09:53 <andythenorth> nothing to see here 20:10:04 <andythenorth> you must be hallucinamating 20:11:23 <V453000> beer does that 20:13:19 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:20:21 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r25462 /trunk/src (fontcache.cpp fontcache.h) (2013-06-25 20:20:15 UTC) 20:20:22 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: make a better distinction between characters and glyphs 20:21:27 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r25463 /trunk/src (fontcache.cpp fontcache.h) (2013-06-25 20:21:21 UTC) 20:21:28 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: export more size related information from the fonts 20:22:14 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25464 /trunk/src (4 files in 4 dirs) (2013-06-25 20:22:08 UTC) 20:22:15 <DorpsGek> -Fix: Hide default size button in non-newstation rail-station picker since it is not resizeable anyway. 20:27:21 <andythenorth> meh 20:27:35 <andythenorth> I want to do an industry which is a group of smallholdings 20:27:41 <andythenorth> but that might be dumb 20:27:47 <andythenorth> and I don't know what to call it in any case 20:28:58 <andythenorth> 'smallholdings' ? :P 20:29:37 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r25465 /trunk (7 files in 3 dirs) (2013-06-25 20:29:31 UTC) 20:29:38 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: add the concept of a layouting engine for text 20:29:48 <andythenorth> o_O 20:31:14 <Eddi|zuHause> html!! 20:38:17 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r25466 /trunk/src (gfx.cpp gfx_layout.h) (2013-06-25 20:38:12 UTC) 20:38:18 <DorpsGek> -Add: drawing routine for the layout engine 20:38:34 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r25467 trunk/src/gfx.cpp (2013-06-25 20:38:29 UTC) 20:38:35 <DorpsGek> -Add: truncation support to the drawing routine 20:39:09 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r25468 trunk/src/widget.cpp (2013-06-25 20:39:03 UTC) 20:39:10 <DorpsGek> -Fix-ish: the min/max of the close box were so small the glyph wouldn't even fit between them 20:40:03 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r25469 /trunk/src (fontcache.cpp fontcache.h) (2013-06-25 20:39:58 UTC) 20:40:04 <DorpsGek> -Add: method for getting the font tables from freetype fonts 20:41:04 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r25470 /trunk (9 files in 3 dirs) (2013-06-25 20:40:58 UTC) 20:41:05 <DorpsGek> -Feature-ish: use ICU's layout engine when that's available 20:44:28 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r25471 trunk/src/gfx.cpp (2013-06-25 20:44:23 UTC) 20:44:29 <DorpsGek> -Fix/Feature [FS#5481]: support for Brahmic scripts (e.g. Tamil and Thai) 20:45:00 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r25472 trunk/src/gfx.cpp (2013-06-25 20:44:54 UTC) 20:45:01 <DorpsGek> -Cleanup: remove the old methods for drawing text 20:46:45 <Rubidium> pff... 20:46:47 <Rubidium> finally 20:47:10 <Vinnie_nl> funny how the bot is called DorpsGek 20:47:29 <glx> why funny ? 20:47:45 <Vinnie_nl> its a dutch word meaning village idiot 20:47:51 <glx> known fact :) 20:48:18 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r25473 trunk/src/gfx_layout.cpp (2013-06-25 20:48:12 UTC) 20:48:19 <DorpsGek> -Fix: uninitialised warning 20:48:28 <Eddi|zuHause> i do think that was an intentional choice :p 20:48:36 <frosch123> nah, pure coincidencs 20:49:01 <Rubidium> no, we chose 8 ASCII characters by random 20:50:36 <Eddi|zuHause> so, when are we getting an ingame font picker? 20:50:49 <andythenorth> I just want a browser 20:50:51 <__ln__> btw, i think i still remember planetmaker's wi-fi password. 20:50:55 <andythenorth> can't be worse than FF 20:50:59 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: just before you can send emails 20:51:39 <andythenorth> video chat 20:51:56 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: a bit problematic with 256 colours :) 20:52:02 <andythenorth> I don't see the issue 20:52:06 <andythenorth> advanced dithering :P 20:52:52 <Eddi|zuHause> a bit less if you consider the magic pink and magic flashing colours 20:53:04 <andythenorth> you mean you're not flashing pink? 20:53:31 <andythenorth> that destroys a happy mental image I had 20:53:52 <Eddi|zuHause> i never said that 21:09:20 *** DarkAceZ [~BillyMays@50.107.52.142] has joined #openttd 21:12:18 <Terkhen> good night 21:13:37 <andythenorth> bye 21:13:41 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C31A6.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 21:18:46 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:19:10 <frosch123> night 21:19:14 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7cf7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: quak] 21:21:46 *** kero [~keikoz@167.4.69.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 21:29:13 <andythenorth> SUGR should be covered / sheltered 21:29:23 <andythenorth> if ever there existed a cargo that justified that silly class 21:29:25 <andythenorth> it's sugar 21:29:35 <andythenorth> currently defined as bulk only 21:32:00 <Eddi|zuHause> do it 21:33:24 <Vinnie_nl> can i ask you something, the chat about famrs is it a new industry set or addition to firs? 21:34:01 <andythenorth> firs 21:34:13 <Eddi|zuHause> does this text make any sense to anyone? https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/cets/repository/entry/docs/custom_callbacks.txt 21:34:44 <andythenorth> yes but no 21:34:55 <andythenorth> I instantly understood the purpose 21:35:02 <andythenorth> I'd have to actually try it to really understand the method 21:36:14 <Eddi|zuHause> for example https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/cets/repository/entry/src/DB/callbacks_120kph_when_empty.pnml 21:36:45 <andythenorth> and these can be setup on a per-vehicle basis? 21:36:56 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 21:37:07 <andythenorth> in that case it makes complete sense 21:37:08 <Eddi|zuHause> there's a table entry for that 21:38:36 *** Ristovski [~rafael@31.11.127.74] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:38:56 <Eddi|zuHause> so for one or more cargo wagons you type "120kph_when_empty" in the "custom callbacks" column, then it will insert these lines for the vehicle 21:39:27 <andythenorth> looks like a classic over-ride 21:39:40 <andythenorth> jquery has a similar approach to over-riding cbs 21:40:44 <andythenorth> time for bed andythenorth 21:40:52 <Eddi|zuHause> bad andythenorth 21:41:21 <andythenorth> I will likely see 6am tomorrow 21:41:28 <andythenorth> and I saw midnight last night 21:41:53 <andythenorth> but...this FIRS economy is not finished yet! 21:41:54 <andythenorth> nvm 21:41:56 <andythenorth> bye 21:42:18 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc22-aztw25-2-0-cust272.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:43:06 <Eddi|zuHause> oh what a boring world this would be if things were ever finished :p 21:51:20 * __ln__ booked flights to/from Hannover 21:57:06 *** DarkAceZ [~BillyMays@50.107.52.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:00:31 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@89.137.75.224] has quit [] 22:24:29 *** permagreen [~donovan@204.195.27.175] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:32:43 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 22:35:05 *** permagreen [~donovan@204.195.27.175] has joined #openttd 22:41:53 *** Vinnie_nl [~VincentAi@54681098.cm-12-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Vinnie_nl] 22:43:28 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BE4E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:50:00 *** DarkAceZ [~BillyMays@50.107.52.142] has joined #openttd 23:14:28 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d50-92-61-101.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:19:24 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d50-92-61-101.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 23:23:32 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:31:29 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:41:23 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 23:41:26 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 23:47:14 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-4-41.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:49:23 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@177.16.69.195] has joined #openttd