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07:26:18 *** Pecio [~fgh@acem42.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 07:26:52 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 07:37:41 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:44:41 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:45:22 <planetmaker> moin 07:48:46 *** Pecio [~fgh@acem42.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has left #openttd [] 07:49:07 *** Pecio [~fgh@acem42.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 07:50:07 <V453000> o/ 08:08:45 *** Longtomjr-phone [~yaaic@41.117.67.75] has joined #openttd 08:18:57 *** tdammers [~tobias@212-182-150-105.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 08:19:10 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-148-242-150.range81-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:20:20 <LordAro> /o 08:20:20 <tdammers> hi 08:21:03 <tdammers> question about FIRS: I have a port, and I deliver cargo to it like crazy, but it doesn't seem to ever produce more than 144 crates of engineering supplies 08:21:36 <tdammers> have I hit a limit there, or is there a way to increase production more? 08:22:30 <matkum> what is firs ? 08:22:47 <tdammers> newgrf 08:23:01 <matkum> ah, k 08:23:02 <tdammers> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/releases/LATEST/docs/html/get_started.html 08:23:11 <tdammers> replaces the industry chain 08:24:22 <matkum> interesting, interesting. will try that. thanks 08:24:31 <matkum> finally something new 08:24:54 <tdammers> yeah... vanilla gets old at some point 08:25:00 <tdammers> I like NARS, too 08:25:06 <tdammers> makes managing trains a lot more complex 08:26:26 <planetmaker> tdammers, it might well be its maximum, yes 08:26:35 <planetmaker> what does its description say? 08:27:19 <planetmaker> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/ <-- maybe its documentation knows, tdammers ;-) 08:27:23 *** Longtomjr-phone [~yaaic@41.117.67.75] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:27:34 <planetmaker> mind to check the docs of the FIRS version which you use. It changes.... 08:28:04 <tdammers> yeah, I looked up the documentation, but I can't find anything about limits there 08:31:41 <planetmaker> tdammers, do you deliver all three required cargo types within 30 days? 08:31:55 <planetmaker> within the same month? 08:31:58 <tdammers> yep 08:32:08 <tdammers> the port is in Gung Ho mode all the time 08:32:17 <planetmaker> gung ho is max production 08:32:34 <tdammers> so it never increases further? 08:32:44 <planetmaker> but I would believe it adjusts output to input... hm 08:33:04 <V453000> no 08:33:09 <tdammers> ok then 08:33:12 <V453000> if gung ho, then gung ho 08:33:17 <V453000> input doesnt matter in such case 08:33:23 <tdammers> I just built a second port next to the first one 08:33:24 <V453000> I like it, means you need to split traffic to multiple ports 08:34:14 <tdammers> well, by now I have reached the point where I can just cough up the cash for building a port wherever I please without making a dent in my budget, so heh 08:34:17 <planetmaker> he... I'd solve it such that I make a terminal station. which then distributes by means of very short-route vehicles to different ports :-) 08:35:02 <V453000> sub optimal if ports are all over the map far away :P 08:35:39 <planetmaker> yes. For ports next to eachother like suggested 08:35:59 <tdammers> I built them both in the catchment areas of the relevant stations 08:36:15 <tdammers> that might not have been such a good idea 08:36:26 <tdammers> because now the old port still sucks up most of the cargo 08:36:44 <planetmaker> oh, not a bad actually. transfer delivered cargo to that station. and make short delivery routes with vehicles to the individual ports. 08:36:50 <planetmaker> but pickup can remain centralized thus 08:37:44 <tdammers> yeah, I think I'll do that 08:38:11 <tdammers> I have HEQS loaded, too, so I can actually haul quite a bit with road vehicles 08:38:40 <tdammers> (the later trucks are actually *faster* for livestock than the best NARS trains...) 08:38:54 <planetmaker> :-) 08:39:13 <planetmaker> for deliveries over 5 tiles or so a train is totally the wrong vehicle category anyway 08:39:37 <planetmaker> just a loop with trucks in drive-through road stops can't be beaten in those cases :-) 08:39:51 <planetmaker> or two rows of opposing dead-end truck stops 08:40:05 <planetmaker> connected by + -type roads among all 08:49:24 <tdammers> I like to make two loops with drive-through truck stops inside them, and then connect the main road such that the trucks use them in both directions 08:49:29 <tdammers> practically doubles their capacity 08:49:44 <tdammers> four truck stop tiles can then accommodate sixteen trucks 08:50:14 <planetmaker> yes, like that 08:50:39 <planetmaker> most bad-ass is to make a loop with truck stops which belong to alternating stations ;-) 08:50:49 <planetmaker> one delivery the other pickup 08:50:54 <planetmaker> it's a real money press 08:51:03 <planetmaker> if used with big station spread ;-) 08:51:12 <planetmaker> (yes, it's cheating) 08:51:14 <planetmaker> kinda 08:51:33 <tdammers> depends, but yeah 08:52:02 <tdammers> if the station really has to be huge because it handles massive amounts of cargo, then I wouldn't consider large spread "cheating" 08:52:11 <tdammers> but if it's abused for walking, well... 08:52:31 <planetmaker> :-) 08:52:34 <tdammers> then you can just cover an entire city with just four road station tiles :x 08:52:42 <tdammers> that's no fun 08:53:08 <planetmaker> depends :-) 09:06:16 <tdammers> hah, both port are in gung ho mode now 09:06:18 <tdammers> nice 09:09:54 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 09:12:26 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:14:12 *** montalvo [~montalvo@papc-ma276.st-andrews.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 09:14:20 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 09:20:03 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-65-113-111-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 09:20:37 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:20:40 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 09:25:57 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-87-14.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:40:52 *** DDR [~chatzilla@154.20.134.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:11:06 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@85.186.160.35] has joined #openttd 10:21:32 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:28:06 *** TheMask96 [martijn@89.104.166.242] has joined #openttd 10:39:25 *** abchirk_ [~abchirk@f052022069.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:40:27 *** Jomann [~abchirk@f052022069.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:20:06 *** TheMask96 [martijn@89.104.166.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:25:25 *** TheMask96 [martijn@89.104.166.242] has joined #openttd 11:27:17 <oskari89> When did the OpenTTD developement start? 11:28:33 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 11:28:43 <oskari89> 1999? 11:31:32 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.157.55] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:32:01 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.157.55] has joined #openttd 11:37:59 <Xaroth|Work> in the summer of '69 11:53:40 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@wced-110-218-32-147.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 11:54:15 <blathijs> oskari89: The first version in the changelog (0.1.1) is from 2004, so before that at least 11:54:48 <LordAro> no one knows when ludde actually started, do they? 11:55:24 * blathijs wasn't around then 11:56:20 <blathijs> First public version is also from 2004: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=6559 11:58:29 *** Japa [~Japa@112.79.36.217] has joined #openttd 12:01:32 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has joined #openttd 12:01:35 <AndreasB> oskari89: Why do finland put letters on the end of names to make them "finnish" ? 12:01:50 <AndreasB> I would assume "Oskari" is the same name as Oskar in norway? 12:02:03 <oskari89> I dont know :P 12:02:21 <AndreasB> Finland has got very weird names also, like Aama and Aapo 12:02:24 <V453000> WHO KNOWS 12:02:28 <AndreasB> Jussi 12:04:46 <AndreasB> V453000: :P 12:05:01 <AndreasB> you maybe?= 12:06:38 <juzza1> heh 12:06:41 <juzza1> my name is jussi 12:07:15 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-65-113-111-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 12:09:17 <planetmaker> nah. V453000i 12:12:18 <V453000> Y 12:12:50 *** V453000 is now known as i 12:13:10 <i> damn that kind of fucks up highlights XD 12:13:14 *** i is now known as V453000 12:19:11 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@wced-110-218-32-147.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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That will work in all compilers from 2010 onwards, including VC++ 2010. It's not in 2008, which I think OTTD still supports. 14:14:49 <blathijs> I don't even think GCC supports it completely yet 14:15:13 <TinoDidriksen> GCC 4.8 has full C++11 language support. 4.9 will have full library. 14:15:20 <TinoDidriksen> Clang has full both. 14:15:37 <blathijs> TinoDidriksen: Cool. 14:15:38 <TinoDidriksen> But just stdint.h you can use everywhere. 14:15:57 <planetmaker> removing support for old(er) gccs is not exactly desirable unless it makes things way more complicated 14:16:00 <TinoDidriksen> (note stdint.h, not cstdint) 14:17:19 <LordAro> even debian stable has gcc 4.7 14:17:32 <LordAro> (well, 4.6 for powerpc and similar) 14:17:38 <Japa> the worst thing is doing own implementation of stdint 14:19:06 <TinoDidriksen> Since stdint.h is C99, it's in all GCC versions. stdafx.h claims MorphOS doesn't have stdint.h, which sounds bizarre...isn't that GCC? 14:19:52 <blathijs> Wasn't morphos that OS that stuck to GCC 2.95? 14:20:01 <TinoDidriksen> Oh ew... 14:20:22 <TinoDidriksen> Breaking support for that should be considered an act of mercy. 14:20:38 <blathijs> There was one a few years back that only did 2.95, but that might have been long fixed 14:20:46 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@85.186.160.35] has quit [] 14:21:17 <TinoDidriksen> It also says SunOS/Solaris doesn't have stdint.h, but Solaris 10 and onwards does. 14:22:53 <TinoDidriksen> Seems the stdafx.h header is still mitigating for problems from 2006 that just aren't here today, with exception of VC++ 2008 - so, is 2008 support important? 14:23:05 <LordAro> morphos appears to have gcc 4.2, btw: http://aminet.net/search?query=gcc 14:26:07 <LordAro> got it: from 7 years ago: http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/changeset/9036 14:27:36 <Japa> MSVC 2008 doesn't have stdin.h, as far as I know, but 2010 does. 14:27:48 <TinoDidriksen> 's what I said... 14:28:08 <LordAro> TinoDidriksen: i mean http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/limits/ , btw 14:28:17 <Japa> It is indeed. 14:28:23 <LordAro> which is part of c++98, as far as i can tell... 14:28:41 <LordAro> don't even need [c]stdint[.h] 14:28:57 <TinoDidriksen> LordAro, <limits> does not define the stdint.h types or #defines, which is what stdafx.h emulates. 14:29:37 <LordAro> but why are the defines needed? what's wrong with just "static const UINT32_MAX = std::numeric_limits<uint32>::max();" ? 14:29:42 <LordAro> ottd is c++, after all 14:29:44 <TinoDidriksen> Neither does <climits>. Standard C++98/03 has no idea what uint64_t or UINT64_MAX is. 14:29:53 *** montalvo [~montalvo@papc-ma276.st-andrews.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 14:30:10 <LordAro> it knows what a long int is 14:30:22 <TinoDidriksen> But not long long 14:30:54 <TinoDidriksen> long may be 32 or 64 bits, so you can't just ask numeric_limits<long>... 14:31:17 <TinoDidriksen> You need stdint.h to get it right, or replicate everything stdint.h is doing for you. 14:31:31 <LordAro> fine, i'll concede that point 14:31:44 <LordAro> but you might as well do it the 'proper' way for the others 14:32:06 <TinoDidriksen> Which is what? int may be 16 or 32 or 64 bits. 14:32:52 <LordAro> how often is it not 32 bits though? is it really worth supporting those? 14:33:48 <LordAro> OTTD itself basically makes sure of that: http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/browser/trunk/src/stdafx.h?rev=25798#L375 14:34:50 <TinoDidriksen> I would also remove those in favour of stdint.h giving you concrete fixed widths, with no guessing or assertions needed. 14:36:53 <LordAro> maybe, but i've never seen a bug report or anyone complaining about their compiler/os giving them a compile error at that point 14:37:25 <TinoDidriksen> Agreed, current platforms stick to those, even if that violates the Standard. 14:38:06 <TinoDidriksen> Strictly speaking, int must be the native CPU word size, which on 64bit CPUs clearly can't be 32bit - yet implementations keep it 32bit. 14:38:24 <planetmaker> LordAro, debian stable is also a newly released distro 14:38:44 <planetmaker> you can't generally assume that everyone has that. At least old stable should be supported, usually :-) 14:38:51 <LordAro> i thought things seemed relatively up-to-date :) 14:39:06 <planetmaker> yes, they are... 14:39:47 <LordAro> ok, gcc 4.4 in oldstable 14:40:36 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@85.186.160.35] has joined #openttd 14:41:14 <LordAro> but then again, a fair amount of c++11 was in gcc 4.4: http://gcc.gnu.org/projects/cxx0x.html 14:41:19 <TinoDidriksen> The only real issue against stdint.h is VC++ 2008 - but is that a concern, when 2010, 2012, and 2013 Express are free? 14:41:49 <Japa> TinoDidriksen, winXP support? 14:41:50 <Japa> :P 14:42:09 <planetmaker> how does the icc treat those things? what about mingw compiler in its packages? and yes, win 9x/XP support :-) 14:42:10 <LordAro> 2010 supports xp, iirc 14:42:12 <TinoDidriksen> 2010 deploys to XP. 14:42:24 <TinoDidriksen> ICC and MinGW has stdint.h 14:42:29 <Japa> Okay, then. 14:42:32 <TinoDidriksen> It's C99, so they have it. 14:42:38 <planetmaker> and... osx compiler uses 4.0 or 4.2 14:42:39 <Japa> There's really no reason to support it then 14:42:41 <planetmaker> gcc 4.0 or 4.2 14:42:45 <TinoDidriksen> 4.2 14:42:52 <LordAro> oof 14:42:56 <planetmaker> TinoDidriksen, how do you know which one our CF uses? :-) 14:43:56 <TinoDidriksen> Apple has been on GCC 4.2 for many years, since it was the last GPLv2 version. I can't imagine you'd still be on 4.0, or is that a 10.4 machine? 14:44:28 <TinoDidriksen> Either way, they both have C99 headers... 14:45:50 <planetmaker> err... no... even 10.6 ships with 4.0 and 4.2 14:46:18 <planetmaker> and the CF might as well be a cross-compiler based on 4.0 14:46:28 <planetmaker> (yes, we cross-compile the osx on a linux machine :D ) 14:47:16 <TinoDidriksen> I've done a fair bit of homework on stdint.h support, as might be evident. I've enforced its use for some scientific software - old deployed OSs on various outdated hardware platforms? Universities got lots of those. stdint.h works everywhere. 14:49:46 <planetmaker> yeah, CF uses likely a custom-built gcc 4.0 compiler 14:49:57 <planetmaker> it's darwin-9. Which usually is 4.0 14:51:51 <LordAro> you do realise 4.0 is almost as old as ottd? :L 14:54:01 <LordAro> and don't most osx developers use clang now, anyway? 14:54:58 <TinoDidriksen> Yeah, they do. 14:55:25 <planetmaker> yes, they do 14:55:50 <planetmaker> Will you build us a toolchain which cross-compiles with, say, SDK 10.7 or 10.8? 14:56:00 <planetmaker> on a linux host? 14:56:18 <planetmaker> As that's the real difficulty in this endeavour 14:56:44 <LordAro> i'm sure you could find someone willing to compile natively 14:56:54 <LordAro> (yes, i realise that's not a brilliant answer) 14:56:55 <TinoDidriksen> No, but I got a Mac mini standing around doing my building...got an easy way to nightly build? 14:59:03 <planetmaker> LordAro, no, it need be accessible by the CF to run builds on demand, triggered by the CF 14:59:56 <TinoDidriksen> How is that triggered? SSH? 15:07:23 <planetmaker> hm... https://confluence.atlassian.com/display/BAMBOO050/Bamboo+remote+agent+installation+guide 15:07:46 <planetmaker> but yes, we would need ssh to that server in any case 15:13:54 <LordAro> anyway, i guess 'sorry' for my lack of thinking towards backward compatibility - i guess a combination of arch linux and watching http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/GoingNative/ over the last few days influenced me a bit and filled my head with lots of exciting things :) 15:14:17 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-65-113-111-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 15:15:28 <TinoDidriksen> I'll be so happy in mid-2015 when I can start using C++11 in production code... 15:15:31 <planetmaker> thinking compatibility sometimes sucks :-) But... it ensures also a happy userbase :-) 15:16:04 <planetmaker> what will have changed then, TinoDidriksen ? 15:16:23 <TinoDidriksen> Ubuntu 10.04 LTS will drop out of support. 15:16:58 <planetmaker> if you use your own toolchain with possibly updated compiles... 15:18:01 <TinoDidriksen> Unfortunately, I can't push that on the aforementioned universities with ancient setups. 15:18:50 <planetmaker> :-) 15:18:53 <LordAro> make something awesome which only works on newer setups? :P 15:19:53 <planetmaker> if gcc < 4.8; then print "update, you dork"; else print "have fun!"; fi 15:20:04 <LordAro> :D 15:21:15 <LordAro> me and Alberth have not yet had to worry about backward compatibility with freerct - we both have gcc 4.8.1 and our userbase consists of about 100 people :L 15:22:07 <LordAro> + freerct is only really just out of the 'experimental' phase 15:24:51 *** DDR [~chatzilla@154.20.134.39] has joined #openttd 15:25:19 <LordAro> http://freerct.org </shamelessplug> 15:25:57 <planetmaker> LordAro, that's something different really. New projects have no need for backward compatibility 15:27:02 <LordAro> i know, we're just now probably going to go for full c++11 usage 15:27:13 <LordAro> although you 2 have rather shaken my opinion on that :L 15:27:55 <LordAro> (we already use static_assert, but are about to try [new to both of us :L] using shared_ptr) 15:28:43 <TinoDidriksen> As a new project, I'd say go for it. Platforms will catch up as you code along. VS 2013 has very usable C++11 support. 15:29:01 <TinoDidriksen> By the time you're ready for a wider audience, it shouldn't be a problem. 15:29:13 <LordAro> ha, windows. currently, i don't think even mingw can compile it :p 15:29:23 <LordAro> you're welcome to provide patches though :D 15:29:43 <LordAro> (include/library issues, iirc) 15:30:14 <LordAro> i do keep meaning to re-write the compile system 15:30:32 <TinoDidriksen> ...the compile system? You're not using something like CMake? 15:31:08 <LordAro> no, no, but the configure script is fairly new (i committed 2 weeks ago :L) and the paths are all still hardcoded 15:31:27 <oskari892> Can GameScripts used on dedicated servers? 15:31:38 <TinoDidriksen> I suggest looking at CMake then. It works really well cross-platform. 15:31:39 <oskari892> Or multiplay at all? 15:31:58 <planetmaker> of course, oskari892 15:32:03 <oskari892> Okay :) 15:32:16 <LordAro> TinoDidriksen: careful mentioning CMake around here, it's not well liked ;) 15:32:35 <LordAro> + writing your own is much more 'fun' :3 15:32:41 <planetmaker> creates the same amount of issues as it solves ;-) 15:32:48 <LordAro> ^ told you :p 15:33:13 <TinoDidriksen> I use CMake for all my projects. Works wonderfully on all platforms and toolchains. 15:33:15 <Japa> I like Cmake 15:34:08 <LordAro> the only experience i have with cmake is in corsix-th, where it broke with my lua5.2 (wanted 5.1) 15:40:22 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't understand cmake, i seem to be missing some basic philosophy behind it 15:41:16 *** DanMacK [~63ffa3b9@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 15:41:27 <DanMacK> Hey all 15:44:06 *** abchirk_ [~abchirk@g229175156.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 15:51:16 *** Jomann [~abchirk@f052022069.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:51:53 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B68B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:56:56 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@177.96.121.130] has joined #openttd 15:56:56 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:00:10 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@87.114.21.53] has joined #openttd 16:04:22 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:06:07 *** TheMask96 [martijn@89.104.166.242] has joined #openttd 16:11:47 *** robotboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:22:09 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 16:43:19 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 16:44:06 *** Netsplit resistance.oftc.net <-> weber.oftc.net quits: @planetmaker, Yexo, Xaroth|Work, Twofish, mindlesstux, Nothing4You, tparker, Extrems, Defaultti, Noldo_ 16:45:33 *** Netsplit over, joins: Twofish, Extrems, mindlesstux, @planetmaker, Xaroth|Work, tparker, Yexo, Defaultti, Noldo_, Nothing4You 16:45:45 *** mode/#openttd [+v planetmaker] by ChanServ 16:50:06 *** DarkAceZ [~BillyMays@50.107.55.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:01:38 *** montalvo [~montalvo@papc-ma276.st-andrews.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 17:06:30 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:06:33 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:16:05 *** DarkAceZ [~BillyMays@50.107.55.36] has joined #openttd 17:29:42 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.17.21.171] has quit [Quit: AdiIRC, my current client, yours next one! - www.adiirc.com] 17:43:22 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B68B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:45:22 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25799 trunk/src/lang/ukrainian.txt (2013-09-26 17:45:15 UTC) 17:45:23 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:24 <DorpsGek> ukrainian - 59 changes by odisseus 17:54:29 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff0fe.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:56:28 *** DanMacK [~63ffa3b9@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:56:43 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 18:09:19 *** Pol [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:17:26 *** oskari892 is now known as oskari89 18:23:13 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 18:29:14 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:32:11 *** Haube [~michi@77-20-40-44-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 18:32:23 <andythenorth> o/ 18:36:30 <andythenorth> @seen danmack 18:36:31 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: danmack was last seen in #openttd 2 hours, 55 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <DanMacK> Hey all 18:36:43 <andythenorth> hmm 18:37:06 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:47:39 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B68B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:08:53 *** Speedy` [~speedy@the.wrong.domain.name] has joined #openttd 19:09:09 *** Speedy` is now known as Speedy 19:11:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6CF74.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:14:06 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@177.96.121.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:24:38 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has joined #openttd 19:31:37 *** DanMacK [~63ffa3b9@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 19:31:43 <DanMacK> Hey all 19:33:37 *** Japa [~Japa@112.79.37.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:51:20 <LordAro> hmm. who here understands the rvalues and lvalues of c++11? 19:52:19 <LordAro> something to do with "move semantics" whatever they are.. 19:54:39 *** Longtomjr-phone [~yaaic@197.79.17.40] has joined #openttd 19:56:34 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@85.186.160.35] has quit [] 19:57:27 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:58:15 *** Longtomjr-phone [~yaaic@197.79.17.40] has quit [] 20:03:17 <frosch123> rvalues and lvalues are no c++11 thing :p they are normal stuff 20:03:49 <frosch123> an Lvalue is something which can be on the Left side of an assignment operator, and Rvalue can be on the Right side 20:04:17 <frosch123> Lvalue is more, because you can assign it. Rvalues can only be read 20:04:36 <Prof_Frink> No, R-values are a measure of thermal insulation. 20:04:43 <Supercheese> *rimshot* 20:05:01 <TinoDidriksen> LordAro, Freenode's ##C++ (strict) and ##C++-general (friendly) are good places to ask about all of that. Yes, two #s 20:05:04 <frosch123> lvalues are non-const references 20:05:16 <frosch123> rvalues are const values and temporary variables 20:07:10 <LordAro> TinoDidriksen: freenode is scary :) 20:07:43 <TinoDidriksen> Some channels are, hence why I listed ##C++-general which is the friendly version of ##C++ 20:08:01 <LordAro> i might take a look 20:08:21 <LordAro> i usually get good advice between here and stackoverflow though 20:08:22 <LordAro> :) 20:08:43 <TinoDidriksen> But really, ##C++ knows a lot...I've learnt so much from that channel in the past ~2 years. 20:08:54 <LordAro> (despite the people here being a bit C-orientated :p) 20:14:06 *** ST2 [~ST2@2.81.252.44] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:14:38 *** ST2 [~ST2@2.81.252.44] has joined #openttd 20:19:15 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.17.21.171] has joined #openttd 20:27:39 <frosch123> i thought people here are python oriented 20:30:07 <Xaroth|Work> fewer than you thought, apparently 20:31:58 <Taede> theres probably both, and some others to boot 20:34:57 <jjavaholic> I thought there would be more users here 20:51:23 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:57:44 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B68B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:05:27 *** DanMacK [~63ffa3b9@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:08:38 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 21:12:25 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff0fe.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 21:28:55 *** Devroush367 [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 21:29:36 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:29:39 <andythenorth> ain't it fun 21:29:41 <andythenorth> good night 21:29:42 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 21:30:29 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:34:46 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 21:34:51 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 21:35:34 <Eddi|zuHause> jjavaholic: we more often get "boah i didn't think there would be so many" than "boah i thought there were more" though :p 21:39:51 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:40:32 *** Devroush367 [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:45:06 *** Dozer [Dozer@0x5e912f54.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.39 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 21:45:36 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has joined #openttd 21:47:27 *** Haube1 [~michi@77-20-40-44-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 21:47:42 *** Haube [~michi@77-20-40-44-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:15:09 *** Devroush367 [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 22:18:37 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:26:35 <Wolf01> 'night all 22:26:38 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:29:22 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 22:29:22 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:36:36 *** Devroush367 [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:53:49 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 22:56:44 *** Haube1 [~michi@77-20-40-44-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:02:06 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has joined #openttd 23:03:19 *** TomyLobo2 [~foo@91-65-113-111-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 23:06:14 *** kais58___ [~kais58@cpc8-cwma7-2-0-cust113.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 23:07:57 *** kais58__ [~kais58@cpc8-cwma7-2-0-cust113.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:09:01 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-65-113-111-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:09:01 *** TomyLobo2 is now known as TomyLobo 23:17:15 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-65-113-111-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 23:37:24 *** Markk [mark@host155-38.etanet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:41:18 *** Markk [mark@host155-38.etanet.se] has joined #openttd