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00:12:47 *** thexa4 has joined #openttd 00:58:29 *** raizumaraiz has joined #openttd 01:26:35 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 01:27:08 *** thexa4 has quit IRC 01:46:19 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 01:47:20 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 01:59:45 *** glx has quit IRC 02:03:49 *** raizumaraiz has quit IRC 03:08:28 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 03:48:39 *** AquaFiX has quit IRC 04:00:05 <supermop_Home_> hallo 04:59:50 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 05:03:54 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 05:06:29 *** Wormnest_ has quit IRC 05:30:40 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 05:41:12 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 05:44:06 <andythenorth> o/ 05:59:51 *** Wormnest_ has joined #openttd 06:03:49 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 06:06:29 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 06:34:21 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 06:44:30 *** Progman has joined #openttd 07:34:41 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 08:07:09 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 08:09:17 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 08:40:00 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 08:40:13 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 08:41:54 *** Pikka has joined #openttd 08:48:06 <andythenorth> pie 09:01:41 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 09:07:10 <Pikka> oh 09:13:07 <andythenorth> not pie? 09:15:16 <Pikka> well, more likely pasta or something 09:16:11 <andythenorth> all well? 09:17:13 *** Thedarkb-X40 has quit IRC 09:17:45 <Pikka> in many ways, no. but pasta will help some of them. 09:17:49 * Pikka brb dindins 09:20:59 *** thexa4 has joined #openttd 09:31:20 *** gelignite has quit IRC 09:48:02 *** thexa4 has quit IRC 09:49:01 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 10:13:50 <Pikka> oof 10:23:41 <andythenorth> o_O 10:30:41 <Eddi|zuHause> ok. i might be going properly insane now https://ibin.co/4vljD85ftLsi.png 10:32:44 <andythenorth> is that a pig farm? 10:32:48 <frosch123> i assume incomplete bridges are for the realism aspect 10:32:58 <Eddi|zuHause> no, that is iron ore :) 10:33:56 <frosch123> the plane icon in the toolbar looks disturbing 10:34:45 <Eddi|zuHause> because it's greyed out, or because your brain tricks you into seeing faces everywhere? 10:35:23 <frosch123> i want to say "yes", but it's only "latter" 10:37:22 <Pikka> Eddi|zuHause, pig iron? 10:55:27 * andythenorth watching deadliest catch 10:56:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i should probably get something to eat 11:08:24 *** Smedles_ has quit IRC 11:10:22 *** Smedles has joined #openttd 11:22:59 <Pikka> double oof 11:23:19 <Pikka> I had a bit of a fall climbing this afternoon, and I'm not sure I haven't sprained my ankle and/or knee... 11:23:50 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 11:26:56 <andythenorth> ouch 11:27:12 <andythenorth> I ignored an ankle injury 20 years ago 11:27:36 <andythenorth> and now the right side of my body is distorted and I have constant minor back pain 11:27:43 <andythenorth> just saying 11:28:24 <Pikka> thanks 11:29:49 <Eddi|zuHause> thanks, i'll get my 20 year old injuries checked out then 11:33:45 <andythenorth> I have been :P 11:35:36 <Wolf01> Same here 11:36:52 * andythenorth "mistakes were made" 11:37:09 <TrueBrain> we don't think any less of you because of it andythenorth, don't worry :) 11:37:49 <Eddi|zuHause> (i'm not quite sure if it's possible for TrueBrain to think less of anyone) 11:38:01 * andythenorth wonders about the inside of TrueBrain's brain 11:38:17 <TrueBrain> do you really andythenorth? do you? really? 11:40:58 <andythenorth> well very briefly 11:41:03 <TrueBrain> :D 11:41:06 <andythenorth> before I remembered not to 11:42:11 <andythenorth> bacon ciabbata is correct, yes/no? 11:42:17 * andythenorth lunch 11:43:58 <peter1138> Yes 11:44:17 <andythenorth> it has tomato 11:44:19 <andythenorth> and butter 11:44:31 <Eddi|zuHause> is there ever a question containing the word "bacon" that is "no"? 11:44:37 <peter1138> That's basically salad... 11:50:48 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause bacon and custard 11:50:52 <andythenorth> invalid 11:51:32 <Pikka> although the japanese... 11:52:43 <andythenorth> oh bacon and custard is valid apparently 11:52:46 * andythenorth checked 11:53:28 <Pikka> bacon and transmission fluid 12:05:58 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 12:11:37 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: see what i mean? :p 12:39:17 *** oskari89 has joined #openttd 12:56:41 <Eddi|zuHause> man that took friggin forever https://ibin.co/4vmRMeobwO2x.png 12:58:56 <andythenorth> automate! 12:59:39 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i could just have used one of the builtin bridges, but they don't really look good over such large heights 13:05:18 *** Pikka has quit IRC 13:36:13 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 13:36:29 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 13:38:45 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 13:38:49 <andythenorth> well 13:39:10 <andythenorth> IRL there are bulk containers for coal, ore etc 13:39:29 <andythenorth> I was going to them covered, because IRL most are for cargo protection, dust suppression etc 13:39:38 <andythenorth> but I could show the cargo, it's trivial :P 13:40:36 <andythenorth> covered https://docplayer.net/docs-images/66/54579666/images/25-2.jpg 13:41:55 <andythenorth> open https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images1/360/0615/29/3x-kit-built-russell-coal-container_360_c82077e0caf8e0d2df686f7f38f3321d.jpg 13:45:00 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 13:49:02 <supermop_Home_> hello 13:57:32 <Eddi|zuHause> at least now we actually got someone using it... https://ibin.co/4vmjbp6cxSaj.png 14:00:13 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JMcKiern opened pull request #7749: Fix: Some typos found using codespell https://git.io/JesfO 14:09:12 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JMcKiern updated pull request #7749: Fix: Some typos found using codespell https://git.io/JesfO 14:14:07 <supermop_Home_> nice viaduct eddi 14:14:54 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, this was the complete view https://ibin.co/4vmRMeobwO2x.png 14:26:06 *** Flygon has quit IRC 14:36:48 <peter1138> Said someone who's never used a soldering iron or a toaster. 14:47:34 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on pull request #7749: Fix: Some typos found using codespell https://git.io/Jesfp 14:51:10 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JMcKiern updated pull request #7749: Fix: Some typos found using codespell https://git.io/JesfO 14:51:16 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JMcKiern commented on pull request #7749: Fix: Some typos found using codespell https://git.io/JesJf 15:26:04 *** oskari89 has quit IRC 15:49:06 *** tokai|noir has joined #openttd 15:49:06 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai|noir 15:55:59 *** tokai has quit IRC 16:06:29 *** Wormnest_ has quit IRC 16:11:31 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] ldpl commented on pull request #7749: Fix: Some typos found using codespell https://git.io/JesUc 16:23:35 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on pull request #7749: Fix: Some typos found using codespell https://git.io/JesUu 16:24:19 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 16:29:20 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 16:33:49 *** glx has joined #openttd 16:33:49 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 17:11:09 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 17:11:31 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 17:22:27 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 17:22:38 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 17:30:00 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #7749: Fix: Some typos found using codespell https://git.io/JesTK 17:30:56 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on pull request #7749: Fix: Some typos found using codespell https://git.io/JesT6 17:39:36 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 17:40:21 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 17:48:18 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 17:52:31 <andythenorth> goes it throw out tank games? 17:52:57 <Eddi|zuHause> sure 17:53:03 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 17:53:07 <Eddi|zuHause> just find another game to obsess about 17:53:11 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 17:53:41 <andythenorth> my win rate has plateaued 17:57:21 <andythenorth> I am above average, but not interestingly 17:57:21 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 17:57:30 <andythenorth> not getting better either 17:58:01 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 18:38:10 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 18:38:55 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 18:53:10 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 18:53:19 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 19:00:08 *** thexa4 has joined #openttd 19:03:50 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 19:04:14 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 19:05:56 <andythenorth> can python import from a parent directory? 19:07:05 <frosch123> invoke it from the parent directory? 19:07:29 <frosch123> no idea whether ".." is allowed, but it always has issues with symbolic links 19:07:42 * andythenorth learning about sys.path 19:08:51 <andythenorth> I need to import ./src/constants to this file https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/polar-fox/repository/entry/bin/render_cargo_graphics.py 19:08:55 <andythenorth> the advice so far is 19:08:58 <andythenorth> (1) don't do that 19:09:07 <andythenorth> (2) don't write things that need to do that 19:09:29 <frosch123> put a "main" script into the main folder 19:09:44 <andythenorth> that seems like a hack :) 19:09:48 <frosch123> then import "bin" and import "src" 19:09:53 <andythenorth> I'm only using /bin at all so it looks 'proper' 19:10:04 <andythenorth> there's no actual reason for it not being all in src 19:10:39 <frosch123> add another subfolder to "src" then 19:10:46 <andythenorth> ha ha it even has 2 copies of pixa currently due to this 19:10:48 <frosch123> and make "src" your main path 19:10:52 <andythenorth> thanks 19:11:07 <frosch123> don't call it src/bin though :p 19:11:44 <andythenorth> that would be weird :) 19:12:15 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 19:12:16 <frosch123> oh, i recently read about /bin, /usr and /home 19:12:43 <frosch123> just as silly is \ in dos 19:12:45 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 19:13:30 <andythenorth> what was the story? 19:13:57 <frosch123> unix started with a proper separation of operating system and user data in /bin and /usr 19:14:05 <frosch123> and put them on two disks 19:14:28 <frosch123> but at some point /bin was full, so they continued with /usr/bin 19:14:35 <glx> lol 19:14:37 <frosch123> later /home was added to separate user data 19:15:09 <andythenorth> oof :) 19:15:14 <andythenorth> sounds all too familiar 19:15:25 <andythenorth> 'mistakes were made' 19:15:35 <frosch123> similar as with \ in dos. while unix already had / for folders, ms said personal computers don't need that 19:15:46 <frosch123> they added / to separate commands from parameters 19:15:55 <frosch123> and then added directories in the next version 19:16:49 <andythenorth> 40 years later, we all repeat similar mistakes :P 19:16:50 <glx> yeah who needs folders anyway ;) 19:17:06 <andythenorth> I am stuck with a users and groups implementation that lacks groups 19:17:12 <andythenorth> in a product 19:17:24 <andythenorth> who needs groups? 19:17:26 <andythenorth> :P 19:17:41 <andythenorth> but we will rebuild him 19:23:06 <milek7> it seems that originally DOS used / 19:23:52 <milek7> from MS-DOS 2.0 README: "The user manual contains some significant errors. Most of these are due to last minute changes to achieve a greater degree of compatibility with IBM's implementation of MS-DOS (PC DOS). This includes the use of "\" instead of "/" as the path separator, and "/" instead of "-" as the switch character." 19:24:11 <frosch123> msdos used "/" to separate commands from arguments *without* space 19:24:33 <frosch123> so you wrote "DIR/P" instead of the more modern form "dir /p" 19:24:55 <nielsm> that still works in cmd.exe in windows 10 :) 19:25:47 <nielsm> but early msdos also had a config.sys option to change the command flag character away from / 19:26:01 <frosch123> afaik ibm dos is a licensed version of ms dos 19:26:06 <nielsm> it is 19:26:24 <andythenorth> oof, maybe I CAN AUTOMATE STUFF :) 19:27:03 <nielsm> microsoft bought the system from seattle computer products (I think it was called), then resold it to ibm 19:27:50 <nielsm> and a bunch of oddities in msdos trace to it wanting to be cp/m compatible 19:27:56 <frosch123> hmm, i though msdos is gates idea of immitating wang 19:28:08 <nielsm> (or at least to make porting software from cp/m to dos simpler) 19:28:27 <glx> cp/m was fun 19:28:59 <milek7> https://www.filfre.net/2012/05/the-ibm-pc-part-2/ 19:29:43 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 19:29:58 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 19:34:28 <andythenorth> that's my evening gone :) 20:03:20 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 20:11:21 *** Smedles has quit IRC 20:12:32 *** Smedles has joined #openttd 20:24:39 <LordAro> andythenorth: you can do import ..src.constants, but yeah, don't 20:25:37 <andythenorth> nah I restructured 20:25:53 <LordAro> good :) 20:41:58 *** gelignite2nd has joined #openttd 20:49:18 *** gelignite has quit IRC 20:56:19 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 20:57:43 *** Smedles has quit IRC 21:07:58 *** Smedles has joined #openttd 21:12:14 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 21:13:00 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 21:19:26 <supermop_Home_> oops 21:19:51 <supermop_Home_> I accidentally built blaze ends with helm wind cars 21:20:49 <andythenorth> did it work? :) 21:21:47 <supermop_Home_> yep 21:22:01 <andythenorth> might be...underpowered 21:22:01 <supermop_Home_> it only goes 201kmh tho 21:22:19 <supermop_Home_> and makes diesel smoke 21:22:33 <supermop_Home_> which is what clued me in to the problem 21:22:35 <andythenorth> that's unexpected 21:22:47 <supermop_Home_> lots of power tho 21:25:34 * andythenorth going big on container wagons :P 21:25:43 <andythenorth> 2.1 in progress 21:26:53 <supermop_Home_> hmm the reverse is disappointing 21:27:28 <supermop_Home_> helm wind padded out with some hst cars for economy still limited to 201kmh 21:27:54 <andythenorth> and 1700hp 21:28:42 <supermop_Home_> I had two sets of helm wind cars and 4 hst cars 21:40:42 *** Wormnest_ has joined #openttd 21:46:30 *** Wormnest_ has quit IRC 21:47:21 *** Smedles has quit IRC 21:50:47 *** Smedles has joined #openttd 21:52:47 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 22:04:53 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 22:31:29 <andythenorth> oops bedtime was ages ago 22:31:29 *** andythenorth has left #openttd 22:34:09 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 22:42:55 *** Progman has quit IRC 22:43:01 *** gelignite2nd has quit IRC 23:12:44 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 23:13:41 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 23:39:42 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 23:52:49 *** Smedles has quit IRC 23:54:25 *** Smedles has joined #openttd 23:58:39 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 23:59:05 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd