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00:37:49 *** OwenS has quit IRC 06:53:24 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:18:54 <planetmaker> @calc 1/3.2 07:18:54 <Webster> planetmaker: 0.3125 07:34:02 <andythenorth> hi hi 07:39:53 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: NFO Meta Language - Revision 136: Feature: Allow Feature 02, action0 (ships) <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/136> 08:11:07 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: NFO Meta Language - Revision 137: Fix: Typos 14 != 0x14 and 3.2 != 3.6 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/137> 09:25:09 *** OwenS has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:46:07 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 790: -Fix: Correct some strings. <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/790> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 789: Change: added spurious code to prevent certain spur... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/789> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 788: Feature: additional layouts for Bakery <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/788> 09:47:02 *** ODM has quit IRC 09:48:29 *** Terkhen has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:45:17 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:00:54 *** andythenorth has left #openttdcoop.devzone 11:13:45 *** yorick has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:51:52 <planetmaker> a yorick! :-O 11:53:47 <yorick> oh noes 11:53:50 <yorick> a yorick! :-O 11:54:04 * yorick hides behind planetmaker 11:55:22 <planetmaker> there is no hiding behind me ;-) 11:57:09 <planetmaker> how're you doing? :-) Long time no see 11:57:58 <yorick> I've been doing pretty much the same 11:58:07 <yorick> except openttd wasn't really working 11:58:21 <yorick> but now it is and I'm playing the first time in 5 months :) 12:03:30 <planetmaker> :-) 12:03:44 <planetmaker> good to hear :-) 13:29:32 *** Seberoth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:55:08 *** Seberoth has quit IRC 13:56:09 *** Seberoth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:46:50 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: NFO Meta Language - Patch #920 (New): don't consider all files language files <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/920> 15:03:20 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: NFO Meta Language - Patch #920 (Feedback): don't consider all files language files <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/920#change-2499" target="_blank">http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/920#change-2499> || NFO Meta Language - Patch #920 (Feedback): don't consider all files language files <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/920> 15:51:38 *** yorick has quit IRC 15:56:32 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:18:31 <Brot6> firs: update from r787 to r790 done (1 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/nightlies/ 16:19:24 <Brot6> opengfx: update from r452 to r453 done (0 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/opengfx/nightlies/ 16:19:24 <Brot6> worldairlineset: no commit since last failed compile, compile skipped (r637) 16:19:24 <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a update: 2cctrainset (r516), 32bpp-extra (r31), airportsplus (r48), bros (r10), comic-houses (r69), fish (r360), heqs (r318), nmts (r15), nutracks (r59), openmsx (r49), opensfx (r88), snowlinemod (r10) 16:25:55 <planetmaker> Ammler, ^ last nightly compile log helped to get this one error-free :-) (OpenGFX) 16:26:00 <planetmaker> So yes, I do use it :-) 16:26:33 <planetmaker> Actually these announcements here help me use it / remember it 16:26:41 <planetmaker> much appreciated :-) 16:34:39 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #921 (Confirmed): testing non-existing variable? <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/921> 16:48:46 <Ammler> he, nice to hear 16:48:59 <Ammler> still not sure, how I should implement nml 16:53:19 <planetmaker> Ammler: an NML project uses the same Makefile... 16:53:30 <planetmaker> so from a makefile POV nothing should change 16:53:49 <planetmaker> the only thing which needs doing is to make NML available in the usual search path like renum and grfcodec 16:59:59 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:35:00 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 792: Merge <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/792> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 791: Fix: missing two letter abbreviation for Bauxite <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/791> 17:47:39 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:22:09 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 793: Feature: additional layour for Cement Plant <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/793> 19:38:54 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 794: Feature: additional layout for Cement Plant <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/794> 19:44:37 <Terkhen> andythenorth, planetmaker: http://devs.openttd.org/~terkhen/patches/index.php?folder=firs/ <-- this avoids duplicating nfo code among different translations in FIRS; nfo_lang.pnfo and remove_defines.pnfo are shared by all translations: the translation files only need to define the same strings than 7F_any.pnfo 19:45:24 <Terkhen> it is a bit hacky and you need to change a lot of files to alter or add strings, though 19:46:07 <andythenorth> I contemplated something a bit like this before, but thought it might be fragile :) 19:46:45 <andythenorth> I don't want to tackle translations (I have enough to do already!)....so I will be very happy if a solution is found. 19:47:03 <andythenorth> I don't mind hacky as long as it can be maintained and doesn't slow down development horribly :) 19:53:58 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 795: Change: tweak to Cement Plant layout <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/795> 19:54:06 <Terkhen> well, old defines in translation files would be ignored, and I think I can change it so that it uses 7F defines if the language does not provide one 19:54:35 <Terkhen> but I reckon it will look even more ugly :) 19:55:09 <Terkhen> in that case, I think you can completely forget about outdated translations 19:59:12 <andythenorth> planetmaker: opinions? 20:07:13 <planetmaker> Uhm... can you provide that as a comprehensive patch, Terkhen ? 20:07:20 <Terkhen> sure 20:07:57 <planetmaker> actually... nvm :-) 20:08:02 <planetmaker> Just commit it. Looks fine :-) 20:08:29 <planetmaker> I'm surprised it needs no changes elsewhere... 20:08:59 <planetmaker> but that's good :-) 20:09:11 <Terkhen> do you think I should force 7F defines when the languages don't give one or it is fine as is? 20:09:36 <Terkhen> also, it ignores the DEBUG strings... I don't think it is useful to translate them 20:10:56 <planetmaker> well, but they're as now included everywhere, if I see that right? 20:11:08 <planetmaker> same text, but different languageID? 20:11:55 <planetmaker> It's a bit of a waste to define the same string n times for debuging ;-) But then it's not really important. Or one could add those strings in a separate debug strings file 20:12:15 <Terkhen> yes, I did not move them but if they finally don't get translated they should go elsewhere 20:12:17 <planetmaker> or more general untranslated.pnfo or alik 20:12:19 <planetmaker> *alike 20:13:03 <Terkhen> okay, I'll move them to untranslated.pnfo 20:13:38 <planetmaker> //#undef TEXT_CRG_PARTS_CTYPE <-- what's these comments in remove_defines.pnfo? 20:13:49 <andythenorth> parts cargo was removed 20:14:08 <andythenorth> so I guess it's legacy stuff? 20:14:15 <Terkhen> I just copied the commented parts around while splitting the code... I don't know if they will get uncommented some day :) 20:14:42 <planetmaker> hm... at another place "parts" is marked as deprecated 20:14:46 <planetmaker> So it can go, I think 20:15:11 <Terkhen> if they are not going to come back I can just remove them from all files 20:15:21 <planetmaker> andythenorth: ^ ? 20:15:53 <andythenorth> parts is a dead cargo. I left it around in some places so I know which IDs are free for text strings etc 20:16:03 <andythenorth> otherwise it's cruft, remove it 20:16:28 <planetmaker> ah... ok, then the indicator that something is free there, could (should?) stay around 20:19:39 <andythenorth> remove anything to do with parts that does not refer to an ID 20:19:48 <andythenorth> (such as a string ID) 20:21:17 <Terkhen> okay, I'll remove them from these files then 20:21:25 <Terkhen> which industries use the DEBUG thing? 20:22:13 <andythenorth> some of the secondary industries 20:22:17 <planetmaker> ids.pnfo could just use a comment on the 4 unused IDs by parts. Every other reference can go, I think 20:22:34 <andythenorth> DEBUG should only be used by someone like me, I can't see it being useful to others 20:23:36 <planetmaker> ids.pnfo is anyway where the stringIDs are defined. 20:23:56 <planetmaker> anyway: I think it's a magnificient step forward in grf translation, Terkhen :-) 20:24:41 <andythenorth> :) 20:24:45 <Terkhen> thanks :) 20:25:15 <Terkhen> I can't find any industry using DEBUG to test that I did not broke it after moving those strings to a different file... 20:26:52 <andythenorth> you have to enable DEBUG....try setting param 2 to 1 20:26:57 <andythenorth> 0 0 1 20:27:27 <Terkhen> that's strange, I remember seeing it without setting any parameters 20:27:47 <andythenorth> probably in an old nightly 20:28:09 <planetmaker> hm... interesting idea: 20:28:12 <Terkhen> okay, it works :) 20:28:24 <planetmaker> expose newgrf_developer_tools to grf authors via variable :-) 20:28:34 <planetmaker> ttdp :-P - variable that is 20:29:04 <planetmaker> then it can be switched on / off by that setting... 20:33:15 <andythenorth> so how would that work? 20:36:14 <planetmaker> action2? 20:36:35 <planetmaker> similar to like now, I think 20:39:36 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 796: Change: Modify how translations are handled to redu... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/796> 20:39:41 <frosch123> how much is the civil fine if you report a desync while using such a variable? 20:40:14 <planetmaker> frosch123: 3 flies on a chopstick served to the alpha frog in the pont maybe? ;-) 20:40:39 <frosch123> :p 20:40:43 <planetmaker> point taken though :-) 20:41:02 <frosch123> use a grf parameter for that :) 20:41:11 <planetmaker> it's being done. 20:41:19 <planetmaker> Mine obviously was just a bad idea :-) 20:49:34 <Rubidium> frosch123: why about fixing all following desyncs as punishment? 20:50:08 <frosch123> deal! 20:54:44 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 798: Fix: Wrong text define. <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/798> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 797: Cleanup: Remove deprecated strings. <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/797> 20:56:11 <planetmaker> hm... not sure whether that's a deal ;-) 20:57:01 <frosch123> night 20:57:06 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 20:57:14 <planetmaker> night ... 21:00:21 <andythenorth> good night 21:00:21 *** andythenorth has left #openttdcoop.devzone 21:01:05 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:09:46 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 800: Merge <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/800> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 799: Feature: additional layout for Cement Plant <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/799> 21:56:41 *** Seberoth has quit IRC 23:42:02 *** OwenS has quit IRC 23:57:12 *** ODM has quit IRC