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05:07:30 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1255: Gumdrops (2006TTD) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1255#change-3239 06:08:35 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1255: Gumdrops (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1255#change-3240 06:57:46 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #348: maglev horizontal track (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/348#change-3241 06:59:24 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #348: maglev horizontal track (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/348#change-3241 07:25:08 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #348: maglev horizontal track (2006TTD) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/348#change-3242 07:26:18 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1255: Gumdrops (2006TTD) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1255#change-3243 07:28:26 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #839: 4737-4742: Fizzy drink factory (2006TTD) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/839#change-3244 07:31:31 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #657: Enable company colours for sweets factory (2006TTD) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/657#change-3245 07:33:10 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #280: standard signals (2006TTD) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/280#change-3246 07:35:21 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1263 (New): Toyland Rough Land (2006TTD) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1263 07:44:07 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #348: maglev horizontal track (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/348#change-3247 08:45:48 <Brot6> OpenMSX - Bug #1264 (Confirmed): support for packaging (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1264 08:51:03 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:03:18 <Ammler> planetmaker: don't assume, debian is generic packaging :-P 10:03:32 <Ammler> it worked well for suse :-) 10:06:48 <Ammler> oh, you mentioned 10:07:34 <planetmaker> :-) 10:08:16 <Ammler> blathijs is a bit to pendantic 10:08:21 <Ammler> or how that is called 10:08:35 <Ammler> too* 10:08:56 <planetmaker> dunno, depends on what you mean ;-) 10:09:57 <Ammler> e.g. http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nforenum/repository/entry/.devzone/build/nforenum.spec#L37 10:10:21 <Ammler> you have %{_datadir}/doc/<package> for docs 10:10:58 <Rubidium> Ammler: point is that OpenMSX puts the docs in /usr/share/openttd/gm/openttd-$version/ 10:11:11 <planetmaker> that was the main point, yes 10:11:26 <Rubidium> and not in, what blathijs is asking for, /usr/share/doc/openttd-openmsx/... 10:11:27 <planetmaker> the other minor points were indeed the doc dir 10:12:20 <planetmaker> a) remove the version from the install dir 10:12:20 <Ammler> Rubidium: well, also having the docs redundant in sfx and gfx 10:12:35 <planetmaker> b) change the doc dir to something else, possibly to what you just mentioned 10:12:45 <planetmaker> c) redundancy of the docs 10:13:00 <planetmaker> d) differering between tar-ball and install 10:13:32 <Rubidium> Ammler: which is another thing that blathijs points out should be "fixed" for the packagers 10:13:36 <Ammler> datadir is %{prefix}/share 10:14:31 <Ammler> and prefix should be configurable or else /usr 10:14:32 <Rubidium> though for (at least) distributions not putting the open[sg]fx files in a tar is the preferred way 10:14:43 <Rubidium> and also without a versioned installation directory 10:14:56 <Ammler> I disagree there 10:15:19 <Ammler> they need to be in tar to reserve less file slots :-) 10:15:40 <Rubidium> Ammler: that's just bollocks 10:15:44 <Ammler> :-) 10:15:55 <Ammler> well, we had that issue with out firs vps 10:16:00 <Ammler> first* 10:16:27 <Rubidium> it couldn't open like 5 files? 10:16:36 <Rubidium> then that is more a local configuration issue 10:16:42 <Ammler> nah 10:16:45 <Ammler> the whole grfpack 10:17:13 <Ammler> but well, I just mentioned it :-P 10:17:44 <Ammler> if you run 2-3 servers, you had quite fast 300 or more open files 10:17:55 <Ammler> which is a lot in a "limited" system 10:18:23 <Rubidium> and I'm perfectly fine if you want to "normally" put stuff in a tar in a versioned directory, but make it possible to (easily) configure it to behave differently without packagers having to write a custom install and such 10:19:53 <Ammler> as said, that is Debian, fedora does also use make install 10:20:35 <Rubidium> fedora might use it, but it might not be according to fedora's guidelines 10:20:39 <Ammler> but it is fine, if he changes 10:21:14 <Ammler> that's what I meant with pendantic 10:21:24 <Ammler> does debian also build the openttd.grf now? 10:21:31 <Rubidium> and yes, Debian might be a bit pedantic in your eyes, but it means that *I* can do "cd /usr/share/doc/$package/" and get the documentation 10:21:37 <Rubidium> Ammler: it will with 1.0.4 10:22:18 <Ammler> do you check for md5sum or don't you care there? 10:23:29 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #348: maglev horizontal track (2006TTD) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/348#change-3248 10:23:55 <Rubidium> Fedora, on the other hand, seems more pedantic about the encoding of plain text files. Either ASCII or UTF-8, which translates to: always UTF-8 10:24:28 <Rubidium> which is a good strategy in this day and age, just nforenum and grfcodec did not comply and as such Fedora's packaging did iconv the files 10:24:29 <Ammler> IMO, this all matters of the mood of the packager 10:24:51 <Ammler> nobody really revies such details 10:25:10 <Rubidium> now I've made them all UTF-8, so the packager has less work to do (which means it'll get packaged faster) 10:26:01 <Ammler> maybe fedora has test script which complains about non utf-8 docs 10:27:20 <Rubidium> possibly rpmlint 10:27:59 <Ammler> hmm, not the generic, as that runs also on obs 10:28:23 <Ammler> I guess, you could configure it :-) 10:30:46 <Rubidium> talking about Fedora 10:30:56 <Rubidium> Extracting ./usr/share/doc/openttd-opengfx-0.2.4/docs/changelog.ptxt 10:31:07 <Rubidium> Extracting ./usr/share/doc/openttd-opengfx-0.2.4/docs/descriptions.ptxt 10:31:15 <Rubidium> Extracting ./usr/share/openttd/data/sample.cat 10:31:33 <Rubidium> those were the files that you wanted to have packaged, right? 10:31:44 <Ammler> I didn't check gfx 10:31:52 <Rubidium> license.ptxt and readme.ptxt are in there as well 10:32:05 <Ammler> I looked at msx, where he uses make install 10:32:19 <Rubidium> does fedora have openttd-openmsx? 10:32:20 <Rubidium> where? 10:32:25 <Rubidium> or is it called differently? 10:32:49 <Ammler> http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/rpms/openttd-opengfx/devel/openttd-opengfx.spec?revision=1.9&view=markup 10:32:52 <Ammler> it was gfx 10:33:10 <Ammler> lol 10:33:17 <Rubidium> yes, it uses make install 10:33:52 <Rubidium> and then scuddles off to add sample.cat and copy the whole docs/*.ptxt stuff because make install didn't install those 10:33:53 <Ammler> well, they also clean around 2 times the install root 10:34:48 <Ammler> %doc docs/ 10:35:17 <Ammler> also a reason, you should list every single file 10:37:07 <Rubidium> which is IMO a maintainance hassle if upstream installs the "right" files in the "right" place 10:38:35 <Ammler> setup.py does provide a list 10:39:27 <Ammler> you can easier track changes, imo 10:40:03 <Ammler> well, on msx I used a wildcard for the songs 10:43:00 <Ammler> anyway, I agree 10:44:23 <Ammler> planetmaker: the zip doesn't have a tar anymore, to that should be easy 10:45:49 <Ammler> finally you tar only if bundle_tar is called 10:45:58 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:54:28 <Brot6> OpenMSX - Bug #1264: support for packaging (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1264#change-3249 10:56:22 <Brot6> OpenMSX - Bug #1264: support for packaging (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1264#change-3249 10:59:49 <Brot6> OpenMSX - Bug #1264: support for packaging (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1264#change-3250 11:13:53 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1263: Toyland Rough Land (2006TTD) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1263#change-3252 11:36:19 <Brot6> OpenMSX - Bug #1264: support for packaging (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1264#change-3253 11:37:20 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 487:1a36bea3ed6a: Change: move the toyland signals nfo to a sep. file and incl... (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/1a36bea3ed6a 11:37:20 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #840 (Closed): Improved signal sprites (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/840#change-3237 11:37:20 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 488:a2739bb6b899: Cleanup: those specs are outdated, find up2date specs in .de... (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/a2739bb6b899 11:37:21 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1255: Gumdrops (2006TTD) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1255#change-3239 11:37:26 <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Bug #1264 (Confirmed): support for packaging (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1264 11:37:27 <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Bug #1264: support for packaging (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1264#change-3249 11:37:30 <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Bug #1264: support for packaging (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1264#change-3250 11:37:33 <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Bug #1264: support for packaging (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1264#change-3253 11:37:35 <Ammler> oh 11:37:51 <Ammler> moving the ticket caused spam ;-) 11:42:08 <planetmaker> hm... 11:42:21 <planetmaker> Why did you move it? 11:44:43 <Ammler> [13:31] <blathijs> Another thing: Would it be possible to let gfx and sfx install separate files instead of a tarball (perhaps by default, or as an option)? 11:45:30 <Ammler> won't you modify the Framework? 11:48:42 <planetmaker> well... yes 11:52:23 <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Bug #1264: support for packaging (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1264#change-3255 11:55:50 <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Bug #1264: support for packaging (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1264#change-3255 12:01:27 <planetmaker> but I put it into OpenMSX as the main bug, the install dir's name, is OpenMSX specific 12:01:46 <planetmaker> yes, I thought about where to put it ;-) 12:03:40 <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Code Review #1086: which is not installed on CentOS or RHEL (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1086#change-3256 12:09:25 <Ammler> hehe, well, if I knew it does cause that spam, I wouldn't have moved it 12:09:26 <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Revision 128:42767f74ab26: Change: renum is now officially called nforen... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/newgrf-makefile/repository/revisions/42767f74ab26 12:09:26 <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Code Review #1086 (Closed): which is not installed on CentOS or RHEL (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1086#change-3257 12:35:44 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 489:8bb93c641446: Fix #280: new light signals by 2006TTD (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/8bb93c641446 12:35:44 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #280 (Closed): standard signals (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/280#change-3258 12:57:55 <Ammler> \o/ 12:59:05 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1263: Toyland Rough Land (2006TTD) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1263#change-3260 13:43:51 <Yexo> about #1212, is "exit;" as syntax ok? 13:53:58 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 14:00:38 <Ammler> it is num_sprites=0 14:00:58 <Yexo> I know, implemented it that way already 14:01:32 <Ammler> it is btw. not every openttd version save 14:01:45 <Ammler> safe* 14:02:42 <Yexo> oh? in which versions does it not work? 14:04:25 <Ammler> frosch fixed it with r18760 ? 14:04:55 <Yexo> if it works in 1.0 it's ok 14:05:32 <Ammler> yeah, I had to look in the task, I thought ti was way later :-) 14:11:24 <Hirundo> "exit;" is ok for me 14:11:51 <Hirundo> indeed it's num_sprites==0, I got confused with the -1 in OpenTTD's source :) 14:15:52 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1263: Toyland Rough Land (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1263#change-3261 14:17:29 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:17:53 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1263: Toyland Rough Land (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1263#change-3261 14:18:04 <planetmaker> oh, nice, new signals in OpenGFX :-) 14:19:05 <Ammler> everytime worth for a release, IMO :-) 14:19:43 <planetmaker> well. No rush now. It's on the roll 14:20:12 <planetmaker> but it is 14:20:59 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1263: Toyland Rough Land (2006TTD) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1263#change-3262 14:21:35 <Ammler> since the bananas gfx is complete, not many use nightlies anymore 14:21:51 <Ammler> so we lack a lot comments in the development branch 14:24:24 <planetmaker> yes 14:24:49 <planetmaker> I'm very lazy for things I don't have the repo, too 14:24:53 <planetmaker> +of 14:25:11 <planetmaker> bananas or it doesn't exist ;-) 14:25:28 <Ammler> we could upload a nightly to bananas 14:25:49 <planetmaker> hm... not sure. It would need scripting ;-) 14:26:05 <Ammler> scripting? 14:26:15 <planetmaker> And nightlies would then need to be made available only for openttd nightly users. 14:26:28 <Ammler> why? 14:26:32 <planetmaker> Or it'd need constant re-syncing of the mirrors for the base sets 14:26:42 <planetmaker> Ammler, do you want to upload nightlies always to bananas? 14:26:47 <Ammler> no 14:26:56 <Ammler> just for example today nightly 14:26:58 <planetmaker> so a script to push the nightly to bananas ;-) 14:27:30 <planetmaker> well... Not really IMHO 14:27:37 <Ammler> well, that would need support from bananas, hmm, could test how wgetable/curlable bananas is right now 14:27:46 <planetmaker> :-D 14:28:11 <planetmaker> I'd not do it without Rubi's consent. It'd also spam the new uploads list 14:28:22 <Ammler> yeah, as said 14:28:30 <Ammler> I din't think so far.. 14:28:37 <planetmaker> :-) 14:28:54 <Ammler> but it might be good to spread the current nighty a bit more 14:29:53 <Ammler> I am specially interested because of the added -c, since that caused at least on the houses big difference 14:38:35 <planetmaker> well. Then we should make a bug fix release 14:40:35 <planetmaker> But a release now would de-motivate 2006TTD ;-) 14:43:44 <Ammler> that is why I wouldn't make a release 14:43:51 <Ammler> just upload teh nightly to bananas 14:49:05 <Ammler> or well, we release a 0.3-beta 14:51:26 <Ammler> the main point is, it should be on banans only, not for distros or the rubi wininstaller 14:52:41 <Rubidium> I've only put stable releases (since 0.2-ish) in the installer/openttd mirror 14:53:49 <Ammler> since opengfx is "complete" 14:54:14 <Ammler> earlier people are motivated to get nightlies for removing black boxes 14:56:07 *** Seberoth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:05:22 *** ODM has quit IRC 15:10:05 <planetmaker> yes, true 16:07:04 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 671:c5c4e639dbcb: Feature: be able to skip the rest of the grf wi... (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/c5c4e639dbcb 16:07:04 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 672:1fa2957f567e: Codechange: check for bit 0 of param 9A for an ... (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/1fa2957f567e 16:08:22 <Ammler> frosch I don't find windres here (to build grf2html) 16:08:32 <Ammler> mäh 16:09:52 <Ammler> I guess, I make something forbidden and build the rpm from the binary 16:19:18 *** Seberoth has quit IRC 16:20:33 <Brot6> firs: update from r1199 to r1205 done (7 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/nightlies/r1205 16:20:52 <Brot6> newgrf_makefile: update from r127 to r128 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/newgrf_makefile/nightlies/r128 16:21:45 <Brot6> nml: update from r670 to r672 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nml/nightlies/r672 16:22:33 <Brot6> nutracks: update from r93 to r94 done (13 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nutracks/nightlies/r94 16:23:42 <Brot6> opengfx: update from r482 to r489 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/opengfx/nightlies/r489 16:23:49 <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (ERROR r580), 32bpp-extra (r38), airportsplus (r52), basecosts (r20), comic-houses (r71), fish (r386), grfcodec (r228), heqs (r371), metrotrackset (r54), nforenum (r470), ogfxplus (r41), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), snowlinemod (r15), swedishrails (r141), transrapidtrackset (r15), worldairlinersset (r659) 16:24:23 <Brot6> 2cctrainset: compile of r580 failed - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/2cctrainset/nightlies/ERROR/r580 16:25:58 <Brot6> Following repos rebuilds successful without any difference to earlier nightlies builds: ogfxplus, swedishrails 16:29:08 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature #1212 (Closed): action7/9 skip -1 (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1212#change-3263 16:52:36 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 490:cd5cb20cbaee: Fix #348: Glitch with some maglev track sprites (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/cd5cb20cbaee 16:52:36 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #348 (Closed): maglev horizontal track (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/348#change-3264 16:53:50 <Ammler> planetmaker: when do you use 9, when 1 for the compression byte? 16:54:33 <planetmaker> Dunno by heart... 16:54:36 <Rubidium> /usr/share/docs/grfcodec/grf.txt ? 16:57:34 <Ammler> there is also http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=RealSprites#compression, but I still ain't sure, what to use 16:59:20 <Ammler> so for tiles, you should use always use 9 16:59:53 <Ammler> hmm, I wonder, if there is a a sprite, where 9 isn't good 17:03:07 <Ammler> Seriously, does that byte still matter, except bit6 for cropping? 17:03:46 <Ammler> does nml also use it? 17:04:27 <Yexo> yes 17:04:30 <Yexo> and yes, it does matter 17:04:32 <Ammler> grf.txt and wiki don't tell the same thing 17:04:59 <Ammler> grf.txt is somehow better explained 17:05:28 <Ammler> Yexo: what is the difference if I use 9 always? 17:05:45 <Yexo> instead of 3? 17:05:49 <Ammler> no, instead 1 17:06:02 <Ammler> don't know, if we use 3 at all 17:07:20 <Yexo> a different compression algorithm is used 17:08:40 <Ammler> I see, empty.pcx uses 3 17:08:51 <Ammler> and some gui sprites 17:09:01 <Yexo> see grf.txt from line 66 "Tile sprites" 17:09:08 <Ammler> but 1 and 9 are mixed randomly 17:09:55 <Yexo> an extra compression is used when you set 9, the extra compression will result in better compression for sprites with lots of blue at the begin/end of each horizontal line (for example tiles) 17:10:13 <Yexo> it might result in worse compression for other sprites, like vehicles 17:12:21 <Ammler> I see, so you can make the grf smaller or does it also use more or less memory in openttd? 17:16:08 <Ammler> what about Bit1, used fro empty.pcx 17:22:25 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 491:aa2f9c205ee9: Fix (r483): wrong compression bit set (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/aa2f9c205ee9 17:23:04 <Ammler> I don't review all my work for that bit now, do I need to? 17:38:54 <planetmaker> nope. At least not top priority. Just when they're touched 17:38:58 <planetmaker> http://pastebin.org/578066 <-- Ammler 17:39:04 <planetmaker> Other things we should add there? 17:39:11 <planetmaker> As a development handbook for OpenGFX? 17:40:55 <Ammler> the image templates are at source/templates 17:40:57 <Ammler> and as png 17:42:19 <Ammler> or are thos only meant as example? 17:42:42 <Ammler> anyway I would add the url the image template 17:43:20 <planetmaker> URL? 17:43:44 <Ammler> path* 17:44:02 <planetmaker> I don't find the house template for example 17:44:22 <planetmaker> And providing a used template might even be better. It shows how it's supposed to be used 17:44:28 <Ammler> well, the house template shouldn't be used 17:44:35 <planetmaker> no? 17:44:39 <Ammler> it uses 66px 17:44:43 <planetmaker> right 17:44:50 <Ammler> I have another version locally, 17:45:13 <planetmaker> I just noticed that I implicitly made a ground tile template when doing the maglev tracks. I found that important enough to summarize templates then :-) 17:45:16 <planetmaker> That's why ;) 17:45:56 <planetmaker> so... should I keep houses out of it? 17:46:10 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/show/sprites/source/templates 17:46:39 <Ammler> well, it is still better to use the 66px template then none 17:47:18 <planetmaker> oh, I missed that sub-folder 17:47:40 <Ammler> I miss your tile template there :-) 17:48:11 <Ammler> also if you use gimp, it would be nice to have the working doc, so it could be modified etc. 17:49:47 <Ammler> pcx templates might go to sprites/pcx/templates 17:51:01 <planetmaker> well, yeah 17:51:14 <planetmaker> Questionable whether ground tile templates need to be done 17:51:33 <planetmaker> As any example shows exactly each pixel which needs definition 17:52:31 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/aa2f9c205ee9/entry/sprites/nfo/templates/rail_tracks.tnfo <-- what is the logic of the sprite numbers? 17:52:58 <planetmaker> none. Copy&paste left-over 17:53:34 <Ammler> ok :-) 17:54:07 <planetmaker> http://pastebin.org/578377 <-- update 17:54:10 <Ammler> I started using either the real number (for the fixed base files) or -1 17:54:11 <planetmaker> but where do I put it? 17:55:11 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/files http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/documents into the readme, a separate file in docs or something else? 17:55:28 <Ammler> docs 17:55:32 <Ammler> repo/docs 17:55:43 <Ammler> hmm, maybe worth for the readme 17:55:50 <Ammler> or a wiki page? 17:56:01 <planetmaker> :-) 17:56:36 <Ammler> on the wikipage, you could include the images 17:56:43 <Ammler> at least pngs 17:57:48 <Ammler> then announce it in the readme and tt-forums 17:58:21 <planetmaker> hm. yeah 17:58:27 <planetmaker> yet another place to maintain ;-) 17:58:37 <planetmaker> but best place it might be indeed 17:59:02 <Ammler> well, on tt-forums, it would go lost with time 18:01:29 <Ammler> # 18:01:30 <Ammler> The other things most probably don't have yet a nice template. So... if you 18:01:31 <Ammler> # 18:01:33 <Ammler> create new sprites, make it easy to arange further sprites of the same type 18:01:34 <Ammler> # 18:01:36 <Ammler> in the exact same way ;-) 18:01:43 <Ammler> people should be more aware of that ^ 18:06:49 <andythenorth> evening 18:13:22 *** Seberoth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:16:23 *** FooBar has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:20:20 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1100 (Closed): Availability date display in OpenTTD < r20086 (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1100#change-3266 18:27:36 <Brot6> metrotrackset: update from 1.0.1 to 1.1.0 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/metrotrackset/releases/1.1.0 18:27:56 <Brot6> Metro Track Set - Revision 55:4e8915c93d45: Doc: prepare for 1.1.0-release (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/metrotrackset/repository/revisions/4e8915c93d45 18:27:56 <Brot6> Metro Track Set - Revision 56:817fecce5c1f: Release: 1.1.0 (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/metrotrackset/repository/revisions/817fecce5c1f 18:53:27 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:37:35 <DJNekkid> voila, 0 errors on nutracks 19:38:15 <DJNekkid> but if you ask me, railtypes inst really "finished" 19:38:22 <Brot6> Nutracks - Revision 95:11afbbfdbfe0: Fix: added a REALLY unneccesary error-remover to the action ... (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nutracks/repository/revisions/11afbbfdbfe0 19:39:51 <Rubidium> is? ist? isn't? 19:40:39 <DJNekkid> is not 19:41:04 <Ammler> I miss signals, what else? 19:41:42 <DJNekkid> some kind of introduction date system 19:42:01 <DJNekkid> and, why should i need that last commit to make it errorfree? :) 19:42:44 <Ammler> well, easiest is to make a little test grf with only that content and post it on forums or on fs and request it, I would guess 19:45:12 <DJNekkid> hmm... 19:47:07 <Brot6> Snowline mod - Revision 16:e91fb52c54eb: Fix: remove duplicate code (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/snowlinemod/repository/revisions/e91fb52c54eb 19:47:07 <Brot6> Snowline mod - Revision 17:79bc0d803c2b: Feature: Add parameter description and limits (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/snowlinemod/repository/revisions/79bc0d803c2b 19:48:02 <Ammler> planetmaker: why multiple sprites for Action14? 19:48:26 <planetmaker> That order seems logical to me 19:49:08 <Ammler> but you know, that you are able to put everything in one sprite? 19:49:49 <planetmaker> yes, in principle 19:50:28 <Ammler> you have a kind of redundancy :-) 19:51:33 <planetmaker> well. But then we cut back on some sprites in opengfx_extra, too 19:51:51 <planetmaker> shortest != best ;-) 19:52:16 <planetmaker> and those 10 bytes won't kill the mirrors of OpenTTD ;-) 19:57:40 <andythenorth> Ammler: if you want to fix the multiple action 14s in FIRS, feel free... 19:57:40 <andythenorth> :) 19:57:57 <Ammler> redundancy is not bad because of of the space wasting 19:58:53 <Ammler> andythenorth: it isn't a fix, it is more a change :-) 19:59:34 <Ammler> but at least there is now a version with multiple languagnes 20:00:30 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:07:25 <Ammler> planetmaker: you could also use a kind of default there :-) 20:07:43 <planetmaker> hm? 20:07:51 <Ammler> for snowheight 20:08:14 <Ammler> it does start with 0 20:09:28 <andythenorth> FooBar: shall we get to FIRS 1210? 20:09:54 <planetmaker> Ammler, but I can't set defaults... 20:10:13 <Ammler> yeah, I know :-P 20:10:42 <planetmaker> But the newgrf has defaults. If the value is 0, then the defaults as mentioned are used 20:11:01 <Ammler> now, it would make sense to ask for such a feature 20:11:17 <planetmaker> I did :-P 20:11:21 <Ammler> since there are real newgrfs also needing it 20:12:04 <Ammler> supy 20:13:07 <Ammler> nml might be able to automatically run a ActionD with it 20:13:14 <andythenorth> trashing my repo yesterday was boring. I keep finding missing stuff :P 20:13:32 <Ammler> did you update hg in the meantime? 20:13:53 <andythenorth> done 20:14:02 <andythenorth> hmm 20:14:04 <andythenorth> not done 20:14:06 <Ammler> deleting is mostly not a solution, that i like installing a os new because of some issues 20:14:30 <andythenorth> I upgraded hg last night with macports, but my version still reports 1.2.1 20:14:35 <andythenorth> planetmaker: any clues? ^ 20:14:42 <Ammler> or like rebooting the server because I have no glue why somtimes the server got crazy 20:15:16 <Ammler> I asked at #mercurial, there is no known issue with 1.6.1 and 1.2.1 20:15:26 <Ammler> they should work together without any issues 20:15:51 <andythenorth> any idea how I upgrade? 20:15:58 <Ammler> planetmaker: ^ 20:16:07 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1206:8cf47f238451: Feature: extra layout for Fruit Plant... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/8cf47f238451 20:16:55 <planetmaker> andythenorth: what does "port installed mercurial" tell you? 20:17:17 <andythenorth> The following ports are currently installed: mercurial @1.2.1_1 (active) 20:17:25 <planetmaker> nothing more? 20:17:33 <planetmaker> Then you didn't install another version ;-) 20:17:56 <Ammler> port update mercurial 20:18:16 <planetmaker> sudo port update mercurial 20:18:21 <Ammler> :-) 20:18:24 <andythenorth> Unrecognized action "update" 20:18:27 <andythenorth> upgrade? 20:18:29 <planetmaker> but that might require a sudo port selfupdate before that 20:18:51 <planetmaker> upgrade, yes 20:19:19 * planetmaker has currently 1.3.1, 1.4.0, 1.4.1, 1.5.0, 1.5.2, 1.5.3 and 1.6.0 installed :-P 20:19:41 <Ammler> it doesn't replace the old? 20:20:01 <planetmaker> it doesn't overwrite 20:20:11 <planetmaker> There's always only one active one, though 20:20:40 <planetmaker> sudo port deactivate and sudo port activate are my friend for playing with different versions ;-) 20:20:49 <Ammler> I am already at 1.6.2 20:20:56 <planetmaker> usually an upgrade deactivates the old and activates the new 20:21:25 <Ammler> so is the server 20:23:13 <planetmaker> :-) 20:23:20 <planetmaker> Looks like a big list of bug fixes 20:23:28 <planetmaker> and 1.6.2 as an essential one ;-) 20:24:03 <planetmaker> sudo port selfupdate 20:24:08 <planetmaker> sudo port upgrade mercurial 20:24:16 <planetmaker> ^ andythenorth that *should* do the trick 20:24:32 <andythenorth> doing it now thanks 20:24:54 <planetmaker> though it then starts to build a number of deps before it really gets mercurial 20:25:29 <Ammler> oh, does port build the packages locally? 20:25:35 <planetmaker> yes 20:25:36 <Ammler> is that like the gentoo thing? 20:25:41 <planetmaker> dunno ;-) 20:26:00 <Ammler> interesting 20:26:28 <planetmaker> http://pastebin.org/584073 <-- like that 20:27:11 <Ammler> so it can take some time to update :-) 20:27:18 <planetmaker> quite indeed 20:27:50 <Ammler> but that port thing is maintained by apple? 20:27:58 <andythenorth> nah 20:28:04 <planetmaker> it's a project of its own 20:28:33 <Ammler> why not spread openttd through that? 20:28:48 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1207:47fdb54c12ec: Feature: additional layouts for Fruit... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/47fdb54c12ec 20:29:08 <Ammler> I assume, everyone can becaome a maintainer there? 20:29:33 <planetmaker> in principle yes 20:29:50 <planetmaker> You "just" need to port a thing you want to maintain 20:30:08 <planetmaker> http://guide.macports.org/#project.membership 20:30:09 <Webster> Title: MacPorts Guide (at guide.macports.org) 20:31:06 <Ammler> maybe you could find new mac dev that way :-) 20:31:21 <planetmaker> like everyone could become an openttdcoop member or an openttd dev ;) 20:32:54 <andythenorth> port install openttd? 20:32:55 <Ammler> the build scripts look almost like rpm specs 20:33:47 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1208:a8a456f66a6a: Change: remove Cane Plantation from f... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/a8a456f66a6a 20:33:47 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1258: reconsider cane plantation (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1258#change-3268 20:33:47 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1258 (Assigned): reconsider cane plantation (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1258#change-3269 20:37:27 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1256 (Rejected): Add more layouts to Cane Plantation (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1256#change-3270 20:37:30 <planetmaker> andythenorth: always use sudo ;-) 20:37:35 <planetmaker> but openttd is not ported afaik 20:37:49 <andythenorth> that was my point :) 20:37:56 <planetmaker> without sudo it'll fail to install. 20:37:58 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 20:38:20 <andythenorth> does a mac port encourage a mac maintainer? 20:38:50 <planetmaker> not sure 20:38:59 <Ammler> no idea, but at least you would solve the "very mac user needs another bin" issue 20:39:05 <Ammler> every* 20:39:37 <planetmaker> that'd be true 20:39:53 <planetmaker> though I have the feeling that openttd might not be quite applicable. Not sure though 20:39:58 <planetmaker> Might be worth a try ;-) 20:39:59 <Ammler> and maybe there are profesionals behind that port thing which could help you, if you have issues somewhere 20:40:40 <Ammler> or is there null support from apple? 20:41:58 <Ammler> wow, KDE for mac :-) 20:42:12 <Ammler> that could mac make useable 20:42:32 <Ammler> :-P 20:42:47 <planetmaker> KDE basically copied a lot mac stuff ;-) 20:43:01 <planetmaker> usability is not really different 20:43:01 <Ammler> what is Fink? 20:43:14 <planetmaker> another solution, competition to macports 20:43:15 <Ammler> planetmaker: I guess, you speak about gnome 20:43:31 <planetmaker> Ammler: not really and only ;-) 20:43:38 <planetmaker> I know KDE and mac. I use both 20:43:48 <Ammler> ok :-) 20:44:09 <Ammler> I didn't see Mac anymore 20:44:18 <Ammler> for some years now 20:44:28 <planetmaker> hm.. maybe I really should give a macports file a try :-) 20:49:50 * andythenorth looks for easy FIRS tickets 20:49:57 <andythenorth> none :( 20:50:20 <andythenorth> my hg is broken 20:50:26 <andythenorth> I guess it doesn't work whilst upgrading 20:54:17 * frosch123 wonders what "Default=2" and "Default=8" are useful for in action14 20:59:57 <Ammler> frosch123: if you change with the arrows, you start at 0 instead at 8 21:00:26 <Ammler> so default is 8 and you like to lower it but you can't click left 21:01:18 <planetmaker> frosch123, it just tells the user what is used as default, if the value is not set 21:01:50 <Ammler> and it would tell openttd which value to use instead 0 21:02:12 <Ammler> e.g. if you skip a parameter 21:07:20 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1209:b078ed7fc12a: Fix: correct intro dates in fund wind... (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/b078ed7fc12a 21:07:20 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1189 (Closed): availability date wrong on several industries (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1189#change-3271 21:11:23 <FooBar> andythenorth: 1210 ;) 21:11:26 <andythenorth> nice 21:12:03 <andythenorth> frosch123: I don't understand how to use var 60 to check for desert (all my current terrain checks are using var 43, but now I need var 60) 21:12:15 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1210:f645040aef65: Change: make gasstation more like oth... (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/f645040aef65 21:12:18 <andythenorth> it should be obvious, but I had five hours sleep, a long time ago 21:13:01 <andythenorth> in fact, I need to check for 'normal' or 'rainforest' 21:13:22 <frosch123> hmm, i thought i already saw code for that 21:13:37 <andythenorth> I thought so too 21:13:43 <andythenorth> maybe I should sleep not code 21:13:51 <andythenorth> but r1211 would be nice :) 21:14:28 <andythenorth> I just need to get the right shift I guess 21:14:44 <andythenorth> where the docs say bits 2..4, does that mean I can check any of those bits? 21:14:56 <frosch123> anyway, first you have to check the current tile, if it is desert it is 100% desert. if it is not desert you have to check the 4 neighboured tiles, if at least one of them is desert, your tile is 50% desert 21:15:52 <andythenorth> that's kind of what I'm doing. The purpose is actually to allow some industries to build a 'little bit' into desert 21:16:37 <planetmaker> even though I argued differently: it might be over-engineered. 21:16:50 <planetmaker> It's only interresting, if you selecte a different ground tile, based on that :-) 21:17:19 <andythenorth> this is more about limiting industry placement 21:17:45 * andythenorth ponders 21:18:27 <FooBar> I think you need to mask everything buth those 3 bits, then shift and check for value: 1 for desert, 2 for rainforest... 21:19:01 <andythenorth> I'm not sure I can do what I want anyway 21:19:12 <andythenorth> I need storage, and that doesn't exist at this point 21:19:31 <andythenorth> actually I could branch 21:19:33 <andythenorth> hmm 21:19:43 <andythenorth> won't get done tonight 21:20:01 <andythenorth> bed time I think 21:20:14 <FooBar> ok, good night! 21:21:05 <andythenorth> good night 21:21:18 <planetmaker> bed time sounds good 21:21:24 <planetmaker> good night here also :-) 21:22:18 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1258 (Closed): reconsider cane plantation (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1258#change-3272 21:22:29 <FooBar> good night to you too then :) 21:23:01 <SmatZ> good night, andythenorth 21:23:08 <SmatZ> and good night, planetmaker :) 21:37:09 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 21:44:31 <andythenorth> no frosch? 21:44:38 <andythenorth> bah 21:45:50 <Brot6> Autopilot - Revision 77:c3700e8079e1: Change: some default values: pause level is manged by opent... (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/autopilot/repository/revisions/c3700e8079e1 21:45:50 <Brot6> Autopilot - Revision 78:be606a6f4931: Add .hgignore (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/autopilot/repository/revisions/be606a6f4931 21:45:50 <Brot6> Autopilot - Revision 79:7af593fbd8e7: Doc: move the docs to subdir doc (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/autopilot/repository/revisions/7af593fbd8e7 21:45:50 <Brot6> Autopilot - Revision 80:412df5ee9be4: Change: add the openttd specific ignores (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/autopilot/repository/revisions/412df5ee9be4 21:45:53 <Brot6> Autopilot - Revision 81:6f82d23f5699: Change: version bump to 4.0, detector changed to hg (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/autopilot/repository/revisions/6f82d23f5699 21:48:04 <FooBar> bye! 21:48:06 *** FooBar has quit IRC 22:08:41 <Brot6> Snowline mod - Revision 18:250b77902f46: Feature: Dutch and Spanish translation. Thanks to FooBar... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/snowlinemod/repository/revisions/250b77902f46 22:09:06 <Ammler> planetmaker: are you already looking in that font thing? 22:12:16 <planetmaker> nope. I'll hit the bed in the next 5 minutes 22:12:16 <Ammler> :-) 22:13:06 <Rubidium> planetmaker: quick bedtime question then :) 22:13:14 <planetmaker> :-) 22:13:20 <planetmaker> go ahead 22:13:56 <Rubidium> planetmaker: what's the procedure for adding people as "developers" to a repository? Assume someone who doesn't have an account at you yet. 22:14:21 <Rubidium> is it "simply": let the person make an account and then anyone with enough rights in redmine can assign that person to e.g. NFORenum? 22:14:24 <planetmaker> As a manager you just add them 22:14:30 <planetmaker> Yes, they need an account 22:14:42 <planetmaker> They can commit using their login to redmine 22:14:54 <planetmaker> yes 22:15:03 <Rubidium> okay, lovely! 22:15:05 <Rubidium> thanks 22:15:05 <planetmaker> Project managers can add new people. 22:15:07 <Rubidium> and sleep well 22:15:15 <planetmaker> no worry. Have a good night, too 22:16:09 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/wiki/Mercurial <-- good quickstart 22:16:41 <Ammler> specially for pushing wihtout ssh 22:17:26 <Ammler> manager and devs can push 22:17:51 <Ammler> (or ssh user) 22:59:40 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature #1174 (Assigned): Action 14 support (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1174#change-3273 23:20:53 *** ODM has quit IRC 23:37:06 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 492:d6a63f731b04: Fix: spaces sprites (only blue) aren't proper cropped, so se... (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/d6a63f731b04 23:45:53 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #839: 4737-4742: Fizzy drink factory (athanasios) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/839#change-3274 23:48:48 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #1265 (New): Space (athanasios) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1265 23:54:20 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #1265: Space (athanasios) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1265#change-3275 23:55:29 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #1265 (Closed): Space (athanasios) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1265 23:55:29 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #1265 (Closed): Space (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1265#change-3276 23:58:27 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #1265: Space (athanasios) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1265#change-3277