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00:06:09  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 4:359eccf2779b: Change #1528: Consider many more cargos for the bulk w... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/359eccf2779b
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04:36:20  <Brot6> Bundles Update: g3f19418e 2010-09-22 cargodist   (http://finger.openttdcoop.org)
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07:08:42  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 5:c793c14c3dfd: Add #1528: Basic refit capability for piece goods and ... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/c793c14c3dfd
08:27:56  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trees - Feature Request #1530 (New): Swap two trees for better look with FIRS (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1530
09:13:43  <Ammler> I setup cleanup for keeping 3 releases or 33 days for the CF bundles...
09:14:25  <Ammler> cargodist: rm -rf g875fc135 g714743faM-cargodist g5b3732ce g3c5595c9 g9e7e0a6b  (dry-run)
09:14:28  <Rubidium> you might want to consider keeping one source tarball
09:15:01  <Ammler> hmm
09:15:26  <Rubidium> (or at least 3 years + 33 days)
09:15:58  <Ammler> I could clone the cargodist repo
09:18:44  <Ammler> are we responsible to provide teh source, can't we just forward such requests to fronsinchen?
09:19:11  <Rubidium> you're distributing it :)
09:20:16  <Rubidium> although you're distributing it alongside the binary
09:20:34  <Rubidium> so the 3 year stuff doesn't count
09:20:37  <Ammler> yes, but I need to keep the source longer
09:20:53  <Ammler> as someone could download teh bin and then think, I would like the source
09:22:51  <Rubidium> the openttd nightlies retain the sources from very long ago :)
09:23:06  <Rubidium> although for the other compiles that doesn't quite happen though
09:23:11  <Ammler> I know :-)
09:37:12  <Ammler> git branches are just bookmarks?
09:37:22  <Ammler> and how does a branch look?
09:38:23  <Rubidium> you can see the branches as the individual patches of a patch pack
09:39:01  <Ammler> like the MQ
10:21:36  <andythenorth> morning
10:21:40  <andythenorth> no work for me today
10:21:44  <andythenorth> childcare :)
10:22:14  <andythenorth> going to do some more fricking FIRS :P
10:27:08  <planetmaker> :-)
10:27:30  <andythenorth> not bored of FIRS, but currently not fun :P
10:27:36  <andythenorth> just a big pile of work :o
10:27:54  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 6:a15af3dd5990: Add #1528: Separate graphics for bulk wagon transporti... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/a15af3dd5990
10:33:43  <Brot6> Autopilot - Feature #1531 (New): Add example script... (kamil) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1531
10:33:43  <Brot6> Autopilot - Feature #1531: Add example script... (kamil) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1531#change-4010
10:40:49  <Brot6> Autopilot - Feature #1531: Add example script... (kamil) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1531#change-4010
10:58:00  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 7:5aa4cb539bb3: Add #1528: Separate graphics for tank wagon transporti... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/5aa4cb539bb3
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11:10:58  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 795:782588d42903: Add: Allow to use also 'CLIMATE_TROPIC' instead... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/782588d42903
11:11:34  <planetmaker> andythenorth, maybe just get back to the drawing board :-)
11:11:44  <planetmaker> literally. Not conceptually :-)
11:12:23  <planetmaker> Filling those boxes ;-)
11:30:09  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #1532 (New): Review 'cargo_type' property (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1532
11:35:23  <andythenorth> planetmaker: that's what I'm doing :)
11:37:04  <planetmaker> nice :-)
11:37:20  <planetmaker> I'm hoping for a box-free version in 0.5 :-)
11:37:25  <planetmaker> for Christmas :-P
11:39:17  <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/entry/src/wagons.pnml#L47 <-- if FIRS code were only that easy to understand ;-)
11:39:37  <Rubidium> aren't all version box-free? Or are you going to sell real boxes with apps?
11:40:12  <andythenorth> planetmaker: FIRS code is that easy to understand :|
11:40:16  <andythenorth> in fact, it's even easier
11:40:17  <andythenorth> for me :P
11:40:18  <Rubidium> or are you talking about some other boxes?
11:41:06  <Ammler> planetmaker: taps indents :-P
11:41:18  <planetmaker> hm, yes
11:41:33  <andythenorth> don't have a python 2 space 4 space tab indent war :P
11:42:01  <Ammler> 2 or 4 doesn't matter, but tabs is ugly
11:42:35  <Ammler> is that a browser setting?
11:43:51  <planetmaker> I need editors which adjust the tab setting automatically, depending upon the file type :S
11:44:37  <planetmaker> tabs in Makefiles are required. Tabs in OpenTTD source in the line beginning: required; tabs in python source in the line beginning: a no-no. Tabs in NML-source: also not desired...
11:44:39  <planetmaker> that sucks
11:46:05  <Ammler> geany should, but I am not sure
11:46:53  <Ammler> well, maybe just my browser setting fails
11:47:24  <Ammler> it has 8 spaces per tab
11:48:40  <planetmaker> I aligned for 4 spaces per tab
11:50:23  <Ammler> well, how does the code from redmine look in your browser?
11:52:05  <planetmaker> the properties look ugly
11:52:19  <planetmaker> and I shouldn't have used tab there
11:52:52  <Ammler> how many spaces does your browser use per tab?
11:53:01  <planetmaker> 8
11:53:09  <Ammler> frome where is that setting?
11:53:54  <Rubidium> oh, an cargodist hg clone?
11:54:14  <planetmaker> No idea, Ammler
11:54:38  <Ammler> Rubidium: it run around an hour :-)
11:54:41  <Rubidium> its hg revision's almost higher than the svn rev (and I'm kinda missing the branches)
11:54:47  <Ammler> I now wonder, if the hashes are the same
11:55:02  <Ammler> git has no branches afaik
11:55:03  <Rubidium> than the git ones? They'll most likely be
11:55:11  <Ammler> only kind of bookmarks
11:56:17  <Ammler> it is still running btw...
11:57:45  <Ammler> I wonder, why not converting the branches to tags
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11:58:32  <Ammler> maybe I should rather try hg convert
11:58:43  <Rubidium> Ammler: then you'd have at least 4000 tags by now
11:59:18  <Ammler> as I won't push to the git repo
12:01:18  <Brot6> Autopilot - Feature #1531: Add example script... (kamil) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1531#change-4011
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12:39:43  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1383:30b8b4691bac: Add: psd file for Builders Yard (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/30b8b4691bac
12:39:44  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1384:b5d46d766be3: Add: pcx file for Builders Yard (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/b5d46d766be3
12:39:44  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1385:6723cb5b5361: Change: rename builders yard pcx to f... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/6723cb5b5361
12:39:47  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1386:6901ae68d8d2: Feature: graphics for Builders Yard (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/6901ae68d8d2
12:49:33  <planetmaker> \o/ @ builder's yard :-)
12:49:52  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1387:d432aed2c3cb: Change: use company colour for Builde... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/d432aed2c3cb
12:49:52  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1388:76959bc57eb4: Change: allow Builders Yard to locate... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/76959bc57eb4
12:50:10  <andythenorth> planetmaker: it just uses ISR sprites :P
12:50:12  <andythenorth> nothing clever
12:50:18  <andythenorth> one less box though
12:51:11  <planetmaker> 'clever' is relative. And yes :-)
12:51:32  <planetmaker> btw... a feature request for FIRS is definitely time-dependent graphics.
12:51:38  <andythenorth> I know :|
12:51:55  <andythenorth> I think I'll try and get 'graphic' done first :P
12:52:03  <planetmaker> A machine shop in 1920 which features the 100t truck... looks funny when I just moved away from the horse carriage to the 12km/h coal truck ;-)
12:52:17  <planetmaker> yes, definitely :-)
12:53:01  <planetmaker> It's just what I noticed when I recently played a FIRS game
12:53:56  <planetmaker> just curious: how long do you need for something like the builder's yard?
13:03:11  <andythenorth> planetmaker: to draw?
13:06:26  <andythenorth> for the builders yard, maybe 25 mins
13:06:44  <andythenorth> it's just make some new files, rip stuff from ISR, assemble a psd, then flatten to pcx
13:06:47  <andythenorth> and enconde
13:06:51  <andythenorth> encode /s
13:27:28  <planetmaker> yes, I meant drawing
13:27:31  <planetmaker> :-)
13:27:58  <andythenorth> for something like sand pit, maybe 2-3 days in total, probably at least 30 hours anyway
14:32:12  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #1529: sprite sets mix-up (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1529#change-4012
14:48:45  <Ammler> http://hg.openttdcoop.org/cargodist.git/tags <-- hg does show the git branches/bookmarks as tags
14:51:00  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1389:790b3e3c8883: Feature (unfeature): hidden Windmill,... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/790b3e3c8883
14:53:05  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1390:2a0a66c94255: Fix: Bakery wasn't using code to prev... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/2a0a66c94255
14:53:05  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1391:ff3ef85b71cf: Change: commented bakery file a littl... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/ff3ef85b71cf
14:59:50  <planetmaker> psst, andythenorth even if something is under GPL you need to give credit ;-)
15:00:00  <andythenorth> I know
15:00:13  <andythenorth> but I'm not sure if the information is available for ISR artists :P
15:00:21  <planetmaker> I guess if it's unclear who drew something 'from ISR' will suffice, though
15:00:46  <andythenorth> well that's already covered AFAIK :)
15:00:57  <planetmaker> yep
15:12:10  <Ammler> Rubidium: git seems so slow, because github is slow
15:12:15  <Ammler> I got only 500kb
15:12:34  <Rubidium> oh, I got 4 MiB/s last night
15:12:38  <Ammler> hmm
15:15:59  <Ammler> mäh, I liked to shutdown a vm but shutdown the whole server
15:16:10  <Ammler> now wol doesn't work
15:16:22  <Ammler> the gui is dangerous :-)
15:16:26  <planetmaker> lol?
15:16:48  <Ammler> wake-on-lan
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15:36:18  <Ammler> Rubidium: catcodec to grfcodec package? :-)
15:36:56  <Ammler> nothing in, you could reuse?
15:39:14  <Rubidium> besides a tiny part of the makefile?
15:39:35  <Rubidium> in that case we'd better put grfcodec, catcodec and nforenum into OpenTTD
15:40:12  <Ammler> also a good idea
15:40:28  <Ammler> someone could then make subpackages from OpenTTD, main, data, devel
15:41:36  <Rubidium> nah, that'll give a huge mess with version numbers
15:41:48  <Ammler> I thought about submitting grfcodec to the suse game repo, but then we still have catcodec missing
15:42:13  <Rubidium> and catcodec has absolutely zero to do with grfs or that whole chain grf/nfo related apps
15:43:06  <Ammler> well, sample.cat is mostly "distributed" with the trg?r.grfs
15:43:46  <Rubidium> opensfx.cat isn't...
15:44:02  <Rubidium> for sample.cat there's not much use
15:44:18  <Rubidium> as it can't create something ttdp compatible
15:44:35  <Ammler> but it might be a good idea, to make that openttd-devel package
15:46:43  <Ammler> ah, stupid
15:46:52  <Ammler> I culd add catcodec to opensfx
15:59:46  <Ammler> ok, I will repackage everything like it is on debian/fedora
16:00:20  <Ammler> catcodec, grfcodec, openttd, openttd-opensfx, openttd-opengfx, openttd-openmsx
16:00:23  <Ammler> do I miss one?
16:00:47  <Ammler>  maybe openttd -> openttd and openttd-data
16:04:39  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1533 (New): Rename Meat Packer to Stockyard (or Stockyar... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1533
16:12:06  <Brot6> grfcodec: update from r766 to r768 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/grfcodec/nightlies/r768
16:14:32  <Brot6> nml: update from r794 to r795 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nml/nightlies/r795
16:20:31  <Hirundo> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=VehicleRefitting <- argh :o
16:20:56  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: update from r614 to r615 done (7 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/2cctrainset/nightlies/r615
16:22:31  <Brot6> firs: update from r1382 to r1391 done (1 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/nightlies/r1391
16:22:47  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1534 (New): Consider Renaming Brewery to Distillery.... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1534
16:23:11  <Brot6> newgrf_makefile: update from r216 to r217 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/newgrf_makefile/nightlies/r217
16:23:37  * planetmaker hugs Hirundo 
16:23:43  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 32bpp-extra (r39), ai-admiralai (r68), airportsplus (r63), basecosts (r22), belarusiantowns (r7), comic-houses (r71), fish (r394), frenchtowns (r4), grfcodec (r768), heqs (r376), metrotrackset (r56), nforenum (r506), nml (r795), nutracks (r117), ogfx-test (r529), ogfx-trees (r26), ogfxplus (r42), opengfx (r546), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), snowlinemod (r45), swedishrails (r182), swisstowns
16:23:43  <Brot6> (r19), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r25), ttrs (r22), worldairlinersset (r664)
16:25:19  <planetmaker> Hirundo, I presume, you just looked at the cargo_type issue?
16:25:31  <Hirundo> yes
16:26:11  <planetmaker> any idea already? an NML-internal translation table which may or may not work with certain industry sets?
16:26:22  <planetmaker> Or just... numbers?
16:26:33  <planetmaker> and that table in the documentation?
16:26:46  <planetmaker> I see no other way really
16:27:39  <Brot6> belarusiantowns: rebuild of r7 done (3 errors) (Diffsize: 21) (DiffDiffsize: 18) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/belarusiantowns/nightlies/r7/log
16:28:17  <Hirundo> It again tells me that we should increase the level of abstraction to provide a good user experience
16:28:31  <planetmaker> :-)
16:28:48  <Hirundo> That is not feasible in 0.1.0, though, so we'll have to work with what we have
16:29:05  <planetmaker> That it does. The question is how that can be abstracted in such a way that the needed options are not limited?
16:29:12  <planetmaker> I concur
16:30:04  <Hirundo> Basically, implement functions as per #1007
16:30:04  <Brot6> Hirundo: Basically: #1007 is http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/show/1007 "NewGRF Meta Language - Feature #1007: Varaction2 abstraction - #openttdcoop Development Zone"
16:30:22  <Hirundo> Then, the user can define a certain function to be e.g. the 'capacity callback'
16:30:45  <Brot6> frenchtowns: rebuild of r4 done (4 errors) (Diffsize: 9) (DiffDiffsize: 9) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/frenchtowns/nightlies/r4/log
16:30:46  <Hirundo> All the corner cases w.r.t. CB 36/15 are then for NML to handle
16:31:18  <Hirundo> since the function has a clear entry/exit point, we can catch that to e.g. work around the capacity multipliers
16:31:51  <planetmaker> yes.
16:32:14  <planetmaker> your first sentence there is quite accurate, still, though ;-)
16:33:12  <Hirundo> sentence being 'argh :o' ?
16:33:31  <planetmaker> "In case all the serious issues are fixed and unemployment becomes an issue..."
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16:39:13  <Brot6> ogfxplus: rebuild of r42 done (Diffsize: 6) (DiffDiffsize: 9) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ogfxplus/nightlies/r42/log
16:42:59  <Ammler> explaination, why md5sum changed?
16:43:16  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #1532: Review 'cargo_type' property (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1532#change-4013
16:43:27  <Ammler> needs to be something in the graaphics
16:45:11  <Ammler> hmm
16:47:48  <planetmaker> hm. in ogfxplus?
16:49:21  <Ammler> yes
16:49:37  <Ammler> the nml is the same, just the grf isn't
16:50:33  <planetmaker> which newgrf, Ammler ?
16:50:35  <Ammler> ah, solved
16:50:49  <Ammler> it is because of the .release file
16:51:55  <Brot6> Following repos rebuilds successful without any difference to earlier nightlies builds: 32bpp-extra, airportsplus, basecosts, comic-houses (3 errors) (Diffsize: 13), fish (4 errors), heqs, metrotrackset (Diffsize: 1), nutracks (2 errors), ogfx-test, ogfx-trees (3 errors), opengfx (Diffsize: 1), snowlinemod, swedishrails, swisstowns, transrapidtrackset (Diffsize: 12), ttrs (7 errors), worldairlinersset
16:53:59  <Hirundo> hmmm... what train set should I use with FIRS in single player
16:54:31  <Ammler> a ECS compatible one, NARS/UKRS/2cc
16:54:48  <andythenorth> yup
16:55:07  <planetmaker> you played the FIRS game on stable ;-)
16:55:12  <planetmaker> you know what works :-)
16:55:12  <Hirundo> :) indeed
16:55:17  <planetmaker> Japanese should work, too
16:55:29  <Ammler> planetmaker: are you sure?
16:55:42  <Ammler> maybe codewise
16:55:43  <planetmaker> not 100%, but I think so
16:55:53  <andythenorth> canset is partial, US set is partial
16:56:09  <Ammler> well, almost every grf works with it
16:56:30  <Ammler> but only NARS has also different cargo graphics, right?
16:56:46  <Ammler> NARS2*
16:57:22  <planetmaker> possibly
16:57:38  <Hirundo> How usable is UKRS2 0.6?
16:58:25  <Ammler> well, and you should know how newgrfs works, so using all at once is a option for you too :-P
17:01:43  <planetmaker> Hirundo, I read that it has support early on and lacks in the later years (or vice versa) - I don't recall exactly
17:08:56  <andythenorth> it's increasingly finished :)
17:29:42  <V453000> NARS2 fits best for FIRS imo :) due to the custom coloured hoppers and such :) but it is also nice to have multiple sets to get a special wagon for every cargo ^_^
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17:43:44  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1535 (New): Change Cotton to Natural Fibres (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1535
17:45:25  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1536 (New): Have Plastic Plant accept Natural Fibre (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1536
18:03:42  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1535: Change Cotton to Natural Fibres (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1535#change-4014
18:10:13  <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: update from r20834 to r20836 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/32bpp-ez-patches/testing/r20836
18:16:04  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1537 (New): Change Arable Farm production to Grain, Natu... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1537
18:26:03  <Brot6> clientpatches: update from r20834 to r20836 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/clientpatches/testing/r20836
18:37:24  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1536 (New): Have Plastic Plant accept Plant Fibres (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1536
18:38:59  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1535 (New): Change Cotton to Plant Fibres (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1535
18:38:59  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1535: Change Cotton to Plant Fibres (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1535#change-4014
18:38:59  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1537 (New): Change Mixed Farm production to Livetock, Pl... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1537
18:41:59  <andythenorth> #1462
18:41:59  <Brot6> andythenorth: #1462 is http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/show/1462 "FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1462: No more changes to cargo chains until economies are implemented - #openttdcoop Development Zone"
18:42:19  <andythenorth> ^ rejected :P
18:42:36  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1462 (Rejected): No more changes to cargo chains until e... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1462#change-4018
18:42:37  <Alberth> I was thinking 'failed to reproduce' :)
18:42:44  <Brot6> serverpatches: update from h73c3f4b6 to h575f8c4d done (2 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/serverpatches/testing/h575f8c4d
18:43:39  <Alberth> do you have an idea what kind of information you'd want to have about industry behaviour?
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18:45:07  <Hirundo> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/4136 <- I was so thrilled to use FIRS with the industry chain window, but it doesn't work :(
18:45:57  <planetmaker> what fails in your screenshot linked, Hirundo ?
18:46:13  <planetmaker> and you should learn to use ctrl+S ;-)
18:46:41  <Hirundo> smallmap shows e.g. bauxite/coal mine
18:47:02  <Hirundo> instead of cement plant, lumber yard
18:47:15  <Ammler> screenshot feature should make the screen with the menu closed
18:47:18  <planetmaker> oh, that should be automatically selected?
18:48:09  <Alberth> planetmaker: yes, with the button at the bottom left of the industry view
18:48:15  <planetmaker> :-) ok
18:48:20  <planetmaker> I guess I never tried that
18:48:44  <Alberth> It was quite silently introduced :)
18:48:52  <Hirundo> I guess no-one tried hard enough yet
18:49:32  <Terkhen> hmmm... I'm checking in my current game (toyland) and this also happens with some chains
18:50:03  <Terkhen> toy factory or sweet factory will also reproduce this
18:50:09  <Alberth> hmm, 3*14 > 32
18:50:14  <planetmaker> andythenorth, when modifying chains now, definitely #1463 and #1435 should be done at a similar time and before 0.5
18:50:14  <Brot6> planetmaker: andythenorth: #1463 is http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/show/1463 "FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1463: Consider merging Bakery and Windmill to Grain Mill - #openttdcoop Development Zone"
18:50:15  <Brot6> planetmaker: andythenorth: #1435 is http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/show/1435 "FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1435: Consider merging some town industries - #openttdcoop Development Zone"
18:52:21  <Alberth> uint64 _displayed_industries; <-- that should fit
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18:54:47  * Alberth blames SetBit():  return x = (T)(x | (T)(1U << y));
18:54:50  <Hirundo> Ah I see the bug, methinks
18:55:08  <andythenorth> planetmaker: 1463 and 1435 are blocked by http://bugs.openttd.org/task/4131
18:56:07  <Brot6> repository /home/ottdc/hg-repos/isr registered in Redmine with url /home/ottdc/hg-repos/isr
18:56:07  <Brot6> repository /home/ottdc/hg-repos/isr created
18:56:49  <Alberth> ha, an Interrupt Service Routine, how nice
18:57:44  <Hirundo> Ah, I did not see the bug, methinks after better thinking
19:04:23  <planetmaker> ISR sources anyone? :-)
19:04:43  * andythenorth thinks of forking ISR
19:05:04  <andythenorth> FISS
19:05:23  <Terkhen> you still need more things to do? :)
19:05:27  <andythenorth> nope
19:05:31  <Brot6> Industrial Stations Renewal - Revision 0:3de9675b5845: Add: Import of ISR 0.8.0 (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/isr/repository/revisions/3de9675b5845
19:05:45  <andythenorth> but I don't much like ISR ground tiles :|
19:05:45  <planetmaker> ^
19:06:39  <andythenorth> :)
19:11:45  <Terkhen> andythenorth: HEQS removes the MPS Regal bus
19:11:59  <andythenorth> :o
19:12:49  <V453000> coal bus? :p
19:13:43  <planetmaker> Hirundo, if you're actually still looking for a FIRS vehicle set: you could try to just use OpenGFX+Trains nightly ;-)
19:14:10  <planetmaker> I *think* that the wagons provide every cargo...
19:14:13  <planetmaker> hm... maybe
19:14:13  <Terkhen> also, I wouldn't call the Gmund Mog "heavy equipment", but it looks fun and useful for supplies
19:14:46  <Terkhen> I'll test that in my next game
19:14:59  <Ammler> planetmaker: is that with muxi?
19:15:09  <Ammler> puxi or however that guys is called again
19:15:25  <planetmaker> hm?
19:15:34  <Ammler> the isr 0.8 dev
19:15:40  <planetmaker> mart3p
19:15:54  <Ammler> oh, indeed
19:16:30  <planetmaker> I won't touch the set though. I just uploaded it (with consent)
19:16:33  <Ammler> hmm, seems you got source
19:16:54  <andythenorth> Terkhen: mog http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/UNIMOG_excavator.JPEG
19:16:56  <planetmaker> andy asked, forwarded to me. I asked permission to publish, got it. uploaded it
19:17:11  <planetmaker> the original is a git repository
19:17:17  <planetmaker> But I don't have the history
19:17:20  <Ammler> planetmaker: you know, you can use -u for commit :-)
19:17:22  <planetmaker> just the bundle
19:17:38  <planetmaker> yes ;-)
19:18:52  <Ammler> he lost the repo? another reason to upload it :-)
19:19:18  <planetmaker> I don't think he lost it
19:20:27  <Ammler> you should be able to simply zip the .git like the .hg to transfer a repo, not necessary a server needed
19:20:39  <Terkhen> andythenorth: I see :)
19:20:53  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #1538 (New): r615 new engines missing or wrong (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1538
19:21:28  <andythenorth> Terkhen: there are other kinds :)
19:21:48  <planetmaker> he. That version definitely doesn't show a SUV version ;-)
19:21:55  <planetmaker> s/version/image/
19:34:09  <Alberth> Terkhen:  Hirundo: does this solve the problem? http://devs.openttd.org/~alberth/diffs/fs4136_smallmap_link.patch
19:36:58  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1392:97e9010fc746: Change: define for cotton now plant f... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/97e9010fc746
19:36:58  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1393:fd2e02cf25a7: Change: mixed farm now produces plant... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/fd2e02cf25a7
19:36:58  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1394:c0dd3d30b918: Feature: convert cotton cargo to plan... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/c0dd3d30b918
19:37:00  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1395:5dd73e9f27e1: Feature: textile mill accepts plant f... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/5dd73e9f27e1
19:40:22  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1396:5345dd253183: Feature: add Plant Fibres production ... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/5345dd253183
19:41:13  <Terkhen> Alberth: it works for me (sweet factory)
19:41:51  <Terkhen> nice patch, I would never find that :)
19:42:26  <Alberth> ok, I am still pondering about the U in the constants. They do not seem to make much sense, but other entries also have it
19:42:51  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1397:1f4cc6ab5092: Fix: production ratio was wrong for P... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/1f4cc6ab5092
19:44:19  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1536 (Closed): Have Plastic Plant accept Plant Fibres (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1536
19:44:19  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1537 (Closed): Change Mixed Farm production to Livetock,... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1537
19:44:19  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1537 (Closed): Change Mixed Farm production to Livetock,... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1537#change-4019
19:44:19  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1536 (Closed): Have Plastic Plant accept Plant Fibres (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1536#change-4020
19:44:21  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1535 (Closed): Change Cotton to Plant Fibres (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1535#change-4021
19:44:56  <Alberth> Terkhen: the general mechanism works, about the only difference is the number of industries. Knowing that _displayed_industries is a bitmask, leads to SetBit() :)
19:47:57  <andythenorth> brrr
19:48:02  <andythenorth> I should edit the TTDP wiki
19:48:06  <Terkhen> I see :)
19:48:06  <andythenorth> I loathe doing that
19:50:15  <andythenorth> who invented wiki formatting?  And in what ways is it supposed to improve on html, which I can read and write in my sleep?
19:50:16  <andythenorth> :P
19:50:43  <andythenorth> {DIV(bg=>#1a3cb7)}::~hs~((FIRS|~~#FFFFFF:FIRS~~))~hs~::{DIV}
19:50:51  <andythenorth> is impenetrable
19:51:27  <andythenorth> <td style="background-color:blue; color: white;"><strong>FIRS</strong></td> would do
19:51:38  <andythenorth> oh I missed the href :P
19:52:17  <Rubidium> ttdp wiki is obnoxiously complex
19:52:31  <Rubidium> and actually the ttdp wiki is annoying in any case
19:52:44  <andythenorth> planetmaker: I feel dirty using FICR :P
19:52:50  <andythenorth> it's one ECS cargo I never understood
19:52:53  <andythenorth> until today :P
19:53:16  <andythenorth> FIRS gets ever close to being just ECS without illegal graphics :P
19:56:03  <planetmaker> lol
19:56:28  * andythenorth ponders what next
19:56:37  <andythenorth> planetmaker: plastic plant does look better with two inputs
19:57:12  <andythenorth> maybe I should bang my brain on this again: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/4131
19:57:33  <Hirundo> Alberth: I can't test right now, but if it fixes the bug for Terkhn (highlight avoided) it should be fine
19:58:33  <planetmaker> :-)
19:59:00  <planetmaker> andythenorth, if you feel still dirty in a month about the crops I'll send you a piece of soap ;-)
19:59:11  <planetmaker> *fibre crops
19:59:18  <andythenorth> for that you'd need some other crop
19:59:26  <andythenorth> soda ash or some such
19:59:30  <planetmaker> hehe
19:59:37  <andythenorth> soda ash is just chemicals :)
19:59:48  <andythenorth> planetmaker: how is your c++
19:59:48  <andythenorth> ?
20:00:44  <planetmaker> never did it for a living
20:01:02  <andythenorth> me neither :P
20:04:38  * andythenorth has an idea
20:06:41  <Alberth> Hirundo: how did you get FIRS0.6 ? bananas and http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/releases/ do not go further than 0.4
20:07:06  <planetmaker> Alberth, he said UKRS2 ;-)
20:07:08  <andythenorth> he's branched it and is several versions ahead of me :D
20:07:09  <Hirundo> I guess, I confused FISH 0.6 with FIRS 0.4 :)
20:07:24  <andythenorth> wait till I do FISS, then we'll all be confused
20:07:42  <andythenorth> FIRS Industrial Stations Set
20:07:48  <andythenorth> nested recursive acronyms :P
20:08:10  <Hirundo> Fish Is SHips?
20:08:11  <Alberth> you need CHIPS instead
20:08:17  <andythenorth> hey, maybe I could do it all in one GRF?
20:08:35  <andythenorth> FISH is Ships indeed :)
20:08:45  <Hirundo> Nah, just make all grfs dependent on each other, and let them refuse to load whenever any other non-canset grf is loaded
20:08:56  <planetmaker> :-P
20:09:04  <planetmaker> you mean non-andy-set? ;-)
20:09:11  <planetmaker> hm... no trains then...
20:09:24  <Hirundo> I always get that wrong :) don't know why I mentioned canset there
20:10:08  <andythenorth> planetmaker: #1435 is probably no longer relevant to FIRS 0.5?  I've turned off the excess industries anyway :)
20:10:09  <Brot6> andythenorth: planetmaker: #1435 is http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/show/1435 "FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1435: Consider merging some town industries - #openttdcoop Development Zone"
20:11:00  <andythenorth> and I haven't drawn windmill / watermill, so #1463 can be bounced to future
20:11:00  <Brot6> andythenorth: #1463 is http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/show/1463 "FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1463: Consider merging Bakery and Windmill to Grain Mill - #openttdcoop Development Zone"
20:24:15  <Alberth> Hirundo: reproduced your issue, and confirmed the fix
20:33:20  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1398:14059aea5646: Feature: Bakery renamed to Grain Mill (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/14059aea5646
20:35:40  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1539 (New): Enforce minimum distance between Grain Mill ... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1539
20:42:53  <andythenorth> planetmaker: stockyard :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chicago_stockyards_1901_Sanborn_general_view_combined_downscaled.png
20:42:55  <Webster> Title: File:Chicago stockyards 1901 Sanborn general view combined downscaled.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
20:45:03  <andythenorth> awesome line art drawing
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21:03:53  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1399:b30798762ed3: Feature: rename Meat Packer to Stocky... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/b30798762ed3
21:05:22  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1400:d5910d237973: Feature: removed intro date for Brick... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/d5910d237973
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21:06:28  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1401:75ac1508bf65: Feature: removed intro date for Build... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/75ac1508bf65
21:11:49  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1402:8de017419e17: Feature: removed intro dates from Lum... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/8de017419e17
21:19:15  <andythenorth> good night
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21:24:46  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1533: Rename Meat Packer to Stockyard (or Stockyard and ... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1533#change-4024
21:24:46  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1533 (Closed): Rename Meat Packer to Stockyard (or Stock... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1533#change-4025
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22:57:09  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1216: Action 2 chains technically invalid for default indust... (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1216#change-4029
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