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00:10:53 *** Zuu has quit IRC 01:38:38 *** Lakie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 01:40:41 *** Lakie has quit IRC 03:16:24 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 483:8ae0e5cc7787: change: swap core/extended for S3 and S4,... (oberhuemer) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/cets/repository/revisions/8ae0e5cc7787 03:16:24 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 484:f28dc79a47c7: add: finalize ET 831 parts (oberhuemer) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/cets/repository/revisions/f28dc79a47c7 03:29:41 <Brot6> cets: update from r482 to r484 done (517 warnings) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/cets/push/r484 05:38:04 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Code Review #3403: Vehicle names (oberhuemer) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3403#change-9107 05:38:37 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Code Review #3403: Vehicle names (oberhuemer) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3403#change-9107 06:44:19 *** JVassie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 06:55:07 <Brot6> Japanese Tracks - Revision 6:7797f590b467: Forgot to add sprites (again). (dandan) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/jptracks/repository/revisions/7797f590b467 07:02:46 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Landscape - Bug #3357 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3357#change-9108 07:03:52 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Feature #3491 (New): Implement extensive railtype table (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3491 07:09:14 *** JVassie has quit IRC 08:20:00 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:27:29 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:11:27 <Brot6> BANDIT - Revision 94:57c4514d94f1: Codechange: unify code for building trailers (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/bandit/repository/revisions/57c4514d94f1 09:20:30 <Brot6> Dutch Road Furniture - Feature Request #3079 (Assigned): Medians with no central tile (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3079#change-9110 09:21:38 <Brot6> Dutch Road Furniture - Feature #3068 (Assigned): end piece for hard shoulders and third lanes (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3068#change-9111 09:22:41 <Brot6> Dutch Road Furniture - Revision 111:02491c91778b: Feature: end piece for hard shoulders (issue # ... (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchroadfurniture/repository/revisions/02491c91778b 09:22:41 <Brot6> Dutch Road Furniture - Revision 112:19f58dc4cd05: Feature: have shoulder end pieces also recogniz... (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchroadfurniture/repository/revisions/19f58dc4cd05 09:22:41 <Brot6> Dutch Road Furniture - Revision 113:49856a6e7839: Feature: left side version of shoulder end piec... (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchroadfurniture/repository/revisions/49856a6e7839 09:43:46 <V453000> andythenorth: we have made some testing of FIRS for you and opened some issues again :) hope it helps a bit 09:43:58 <andythenorth> awesome 09:45:38 <V453000> from my point of view it is the next step after the supplying mechanism, but raising the maximum of farms should do a nice temporary solution for now 09:45:39 <V453000> for now at least 09:45:39 <V453000> I would suggest something like 500 max for farms if 2000 is kept for other primaires 09:46:49 <andythenorth> it was requested that primary production amount gets a parameter, which I don't have any objections to 09:47:07 <V453000> that would be especially useful for testing 09:47:13 <V453000> and nice in general of course :) 09:47:15 <andythenorth> I also tried for a long time to have farms produce FS indirectly 09:47:25 <andythenorth> e.g. grain -> animal feed mill -> farm supplies 09:47:47 <andythenorth> but then industries can grow themselves (simple A-B-A loop) 09:47:59 <V453000> yes I see, that isnt the best way I think 09:48:07 <V453000> I would keep industries as they are 09:48:14 <V453000> because now farms are at least interesting because of that 09:48:16 <andythenorth> mineral primaries have an A-B-C loop generally 09:48:20 <V453000> yes 09:48:47 <andythenorth> farms can be quite meh 09:48:54 <andythenorth> I've used them in some games, not others 09:49:04 <V453000> as I wrote, I think it is okay if farms are harder to supply as they dont supply themselves. But it would be good to make farms have a good potential if you actually take care over them 09:49:04 <andythenorth> depends on what vehicle sets you have available 09:49:18 <V453000> well, sure but that is a shame :) 09:49:58 <V453000> that is very simlar to the article on our blog I wrote about train sets. Why have 300 trains if you use 10 of them 09:50:09 <V453000> if farms arent useful, why bother .. :) 09:50:11 *** ODM has quit IRC 09:50:21 <andythenorth> I think it would be helped by #855 09:50:30 <Brot6> andythenorth: #855 is http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/show/855 "FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #855: Industries don't randomise production on construction. - #openttdcoop Development Zone" 09:50:45 <andythenorth> if some farms started out with higher production, that would be more interesting 09:51:27 <V453000> so you would like to make farms powerful early on but then cap their production in the future 09:51:59 <V453000> that is also an option but I wonder how huge production would they need to have in order to make them better usable than the other primaries. They still need to get FS somewhere 09:52:17 <andythenorth> also...the clustering kind of works, but not always 09:52:35 <andythenorth> the intention was that you have 4-5 farms within a distance where even slow trucks work 09:52:42 <andythenorth> so you get ~100t out easily 09:52:44 <V453000> yes it does, but with 128/144 productions you ned a huge cluster to reach anywhere close to what other industries are able to do 09:53:05 <andythenorth> quite often the farms in clusters are (a) too far apart (b) there are not enough 09:53:08 <V453000> and you need to put a huge amount of effort into connecting all the farms, distributing them farm supplies etc 09:53:22 <andythenorth> also it gets boring 09:53:25 <V453000> yeah ... well the clustering is another thing :) 09:53:28 <andythenorth> each farm needs 3 stations 09:53:33 <andythenorth> 2x pickup, 1x drop off 09:53:38 <V453000> pretty much 09:53:41 <andythenorth> meh 09:54:01 <andythenorth> that gets uninteresting 09:54:08 <andythenorth> connecting farms is a chore 09:54:12 <V453000> it doesnt have to be 09:54:24 <V453000> put there a reward in high production capability and it is nice 09:54:36 <V453000> it can start with the low productions as there are now 09:54:52 <V453000> but if the player gets rewarded for the effort he puts in the farms, it is good 09:55:02 <V453000> not to mention he has to also get them some farm supplies from elsewhere 09:55:15 <Ammler> the clustering is nice, imo, you can always workaround with stationwalk 09:55:26 <andythenorth> quite often I build one station for pickup covering several farms 09:55:34 <V453000> :D I didnt do that yet 09:55:36 <andythenorth> but still have to provide multiple FS delivery stops 09:55:45 <V453000> yes sure 09:56:00 <andythenorth> anyway 09:56:00 * andythenorth has to go 09:56:04 <andythenorth> thanks for the feedback 09:56:08 <V453000> ok :) think about it :P cya 09:56:11 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 09:56:11 <V453000> very welcome :) 11:02:35 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:24:32 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:45:35 <Brot6> DACH Trains - Bug #3492 (New): Re460 early transported freight as well (Yoshi) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3492 12:51:20 <Brot6> Dutch Trains 2.0 - Feature #3493 (New): NedTrain Vossloh G400B (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3493 14:20:16 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Code Review #3403: Vehicle names (Eddi) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3403#change-9112 15:29:15 *** Lakie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:09:06 *** ToniBabelony has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:09:19 <ToniBabelony> Hello all 17:16:48 <andythenorth> hi ToniBabelony 17:21:28 *** ToniBabelony has quit IRC 17:28:44 <Brot6> bandit: update from r87 to r94 done (6 warnings) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/bandit/nightlies/r94 17:44:31 <Brot6> cets: update from r480 to r484 done (517 warnings) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/cets/nightlies/r484 17:47:31 <Brot6> dutchroadfurniture: update from r110 to r113 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/dutchroadfurniture/nightlies/r113 18:18:30 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:19:57 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 486:7a8e0a258087: why not just use the TE calculation we us... (Eddi) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/cets/repository/revisions/7a8e0a258087 18:19:57 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 487:ed0f91d997da: ability to select "all german", "all swis... (Eddi) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/cets/repository/revisions/ed0f91d997da 18:22:39 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Code Review #3403: Vehicle names (Eddi) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3403#change-9113 18:27:41 <Brot6> Dutch Road Furniture - Feature Request #3079 (Feedback): Medians with no central tile (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3079#change-9114 18:35:05 <Brot6> cets: update from r484 to r487 done (517 warnings) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/cets/push/r487 18:39:47 <Brot6> Following repos rebuilds successful without any difference to earlier nightlies builds: ogfx-trains, ogfx-industries, firs (6 warnings), opengfx (Diffsize: 7), foobarstramtracks (Diffsize: 37132), manindu (Diffsize: 2), newgrf_makefile (Diffsize: 12), dutchtrains, rust (Diffsize: 188), ogfx-biggui (Diffsize: 30), dutchtramset, swisstowns (Diffsize: 43), spanishtowns (Diffsize: 8), frenchtowns (Diffsize: 21), ogfx-rv, ogfx-landscape (2 18:39:47 <Brot6> warnings), swedishrails, german-townnames (Diffsize: 51), dach, belarusiantowns (Diffsize: 64), indonesiantowns (1 warnings) (Diffsize: 29), airportsplus 19:20:54 <Brot6> Dutch Road Furniture - Revision 114:177973e05130: Fix: don't allow foundations next to shoulders ... (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchroadfurniture/repository/revisions/177973e05130 19:20:54 <Brot6> Dutch Road Furniture - Bug #3038 (Closed): hard shoulder check adjacent tile to decide slope or not (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3038#change-9116 19:40:51 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 488:95965f26f4b9: actually check for the "all XYZ" paramete... (Eddi) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/cets/repository/revisions/95965f26f4b9 19:41:34 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 19:42:04 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:43:23 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest23601 19:43:23 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:45:22 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Bug #3494 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3494 19:46:31 <Brot6> Dutch Trains 2.0 - Feature #3495 (New): Container Carriers (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3495 19:52:11 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 489:fa3c4052408a: cleanup code for setting the visual effect (Eddi) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/cets/repository/revisions/fa3c4052408a 19:55:20 <Brot6> cets: compile of r489 still failed (#3494) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/cets/push/ERROR/r489 20:59:29 <Brot6> Japanese Tracks - Revision 7:a62b69f4e9e6: Change introduction of railtypes (prop. 18/19) and fix... (dandan) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/jptracks/repository/revisions/a62b69f4e9e6 21:18:47 *** JVassie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:51:29 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 490:a55d7acc5762: write the region defines also when only o... (Eddi) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/cets/repository/revisions/a55d7acc5762 22:08:01 <Brot6> cets: update from r487 to r490 done (517 warnings) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/cets/push/r490 22:09:04 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Bug #3494 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3494 22:09:04 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Bug #3494 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (Eddi) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3494#change-9117 22:11:46 <Brot6> BANDIT - Revision 95:8be7470db238: Codechange: convert some #if things to #define things (what a ... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/bandit/repository/revisions/8be7470db238 22:13:46 *** Lakie has quit IRC 22:21:41 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 491:15a7e92b17d5: change: use notation with superscript for... (oberhuemer) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/cets/repository/revisions/15a7e92b17d5 22:21:41 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 492:420c296f6383: merge (oberhuemer) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/cets/repository/revisions/420c296f6383 22:24:11 <Brot6> BANDIT - Revision 96:2951ec96b726: Codechange: update comments (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/bandit/repository/revisions/2951ec96b726 22:34:20 <Brot6> cets: update from r490 to r492 done (517 warnings) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/cets/push/r492 22:39:24 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 22:54:18 <Brot6> BANDIT - Revision 97:cabcdd6029da: Codechange: improve a comment (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/bandit/repository/revisions/cabcdd6029da 23:04:33 <Brot6> Dutch Trains 2.0 - Feature #3495: Container Carriers (oberhuemer) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3495#change-9118 23:11:49 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 23:13:49 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #3496 (New): recycling depot: check production and supply acc... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3496 23:14:52 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #3497 (New): 'available since xxx' as extra industry fund... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3497 23:16:28 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Code Review #3498 (New): reconsider production callback for recyc... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3498 23:30:24 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 493:457b03e8c136: change: improve tenders, make DRG version... (oberhuemer) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/cets/repository/revisions/457b03e8c136 23:35:53 *** JVassie has quit IRC 23:38:28 *** ODM has quit IRC 23:43:40 <Brot6> cets: update from r492 to r493 done (517 warnings) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/cets/push/r493